Josh Pate On UGA Allegations Of Culture Issues (Late Kick Cut)
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- UGA Football has entered the summer period with all eyes on the upcoming 2023 season, but on Late Kick Live Ep 399 Josh Pate discussed details in a new AJC article detailing alleged mishandling of serious allegations by the UGA administration and coaching staff. Is there a legitimate cultural issue in Athens? How much of the AJC piece was presented with all necessary facts and details included? Let us know what you think in the comments below and be sure to SUBSCRIBE to the channel and CLICK THE BELL for notifications as we bring you multiple live shows per week!
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AJC has been known for their honest reporting. Just ask richard jewel.
Good one probably went over alot of people head.
I love how you bring this up with no context. Yes, the newspaper jacked up massively. However, let's not act like 99.999% of the population didn't think he was guilty as sin. There is not a single person who wouldn't have done the same exact things.
@@john-wh6mzI wonder who gave the population the idea that he was guilty? You are kind of playing into his reasoning by the way.
Amen!!!!
@@nabi4241not us old guys!!! 😂😂😂
Excellently worded and spoken. Sadly this is what the AJC has become and how our society makes split decisions on limited information. Thank you JP for being a voice of reason
The court system works the same way
Says the clowns who called Calipari a dirty cheat for years. FOH fraud.
Josh the investigative reporter. What next? Cfb csnt come soon enough. The podcasts by most media are desperate for mayerial
You cannot throw players off of your team based on accusations... You cannot. That is the opposite of innocent until proven guilty and the demise of all of the values which uphold our judicial system.
Seems fair ... especially since that's basically what the law guides but its obvious that it's not applied as such for all members of our society.
You understand guilty until proven innocent is a judicial standard right?
@@unc0mm0n2not an American one
Sadly, that's not true. Look at the punter guy. Thankfully, most of the South still holds older values, and are willing to wait to see if allegations are true before administering punishment.
exalty
You’re actually the greatest CFB podcaster of all time. You just speak facts. You rarely, if ever, miss. You love the sport unconditionally. MeeMaw would be so proud. Thank you for shining light on this JP.
Roll Tide kelbyholbrook 🐘🐘🐘
Agreed !! The absolute best CFP talk out there!
No , he’s just a SEC Guy . P E R I O D !
@@bartwilloughby2909 And I’m sure you love Joel Klatt, who only talks about big10 teams huh…
@@TheMCJ2011 actually, I Despise Joel Klatt .
Whoever runs the AJC is a 100% a Georgia tech grad 😂😂😂😂😂
tech grads are smarter than that. I think a UF grad.
As my Dad likes to call it... "The Atlanta Urinal Constipation"
Lived in Atlanta for 15 years not once did I ever hear anyone ever say “Hey did you read in the AJC that…”
I moved here to Buford, GA 7 years ago from Miami. First thing I did was suscribe to the AJC to see what’s going on locally. I’ve noticed in recent years how bias it is politically. It infuriated so much so that I called them to complain, wrote bad reviews and unsubscribed.
I think everyone shouldn’t even bother following them on social media or give any kind of attention.
GO CANES
Well I know you like high-school football, being from Miami..... you came to where ALL the elite athletes play... 5 stars.... go watch a buford high-school game... it's always packed too!! Get tickets early
Most people and by no small margin, realize the AJC is nothing more than a pile of lies with an agenda.
@@standupguy8109 oh most definitely. Love the games here in Gwinnett. Went to the Buford vs Mill Creek last year.
Crazy thing is I moved not having a clue what it would be like. Glad I did. Football culture here is similar to South Florida.
Great perspective, and THANKS for calling out people who "are lying about that" and "if you're in that position you'd have all the details". This is exactly how it should work (whatever team you're a fan or - or even if you're not a sports fan at all), and exactly what Kirby is doing. The AJC could learn a LOT from this segment.
I agree with you, JP. RECENTLY, the AJC has veen noticeably going after UGA. It's like whoever's in charge has a personal vendetta against UGA .
try being an lsu fan
I live in Atlanta. The AJC has been attacking UGA for years.
well said josh. They making it seemed like Georgia just tolerates bad behavior, If a player has been indeed found guilty then they are out of the team like adam anderson he was actually charged.
Josh, thank you so much for this video. I read part of the article. Admittedly I didn't go behind the pay wall. Anyway, the article gave me pause, and I, like many of your viewers became concerned. However, as a grown woman, mother, and Special Education teacher, I am fully aware of kids being blamed for situations before the whole story is presented. My feeling was to just wait it out and see what became of these various situations. I have to admit that I am still heartbroken about Devin Willock and Chandler Lecroix, and what happened in January. I will never forget, but I will continue to watch my Dawgs play and enjoy the games. Thank you for your perspective.
Hack article. Great delivery Josh, you're one of the best at what you do. Kirby isn't going to take these allegations live and speak on them with beat writers but I'm sure he sits them boys down and tells them they are F'n up. Alabama was under the microscope when Saban took that DL transfer from Texas A&M. They wrote a piece on culture at Alabama too.
Sadly this is par for the course with college football. Once a program starts to really dominate there are whispers that will hurt the brand. Regardless of evidence or lack there of.
Y’all are the same people who spent the last decade trashing Cal and calling him a cheat. Spare me fake mf.
Facts
@JoshPate I love ya show and I think you are bad ass for standing up for facts and truth!
Chris Childers on Sirius XM was slandering UGA about this yesterday, seems he ran with the headline as well.
Jason Childers on College sports XM 84 threw a total temper tantrum about the sanctity of protecting women in college. he protected himself with the words (if and alleged at the end). Never once talked about the details. Thanks for breaking it down the right way.
"Make what other folks think about you none of your business." Some of the best advice that I've heard in my 55 1/2 years on Earth! 💯💯💯
It definitely helps you sleep at night not worrying about people's opinions you don't know or know you 😂
yup...generally i do not care what people think..only my family and close friends really matter
Excellent journalism
This girl was like 21 sleeping with a 16 year old. I had to double check the laws on GA to make sure this wasn’t a statutory case.
Apparently 16 is the age of consent, but it’s still weird to me. She was only upset when he didn’t text her back the same way after the act was done.
I think it’s consent with in 3 years. 16 can date 19 and 17 can date 20. It’s not carte blanche.
@@robbanks7393 I read the law today. It was ok by law. The whole thing reeks of an angry jilted woman. Or one looking for a payday.
@@robbanks7393 Some states, but not GA. A 16 year old can bang a 50 year old if he wants...
16 is the legal age in most if not all Southern states, which to me is bs! It is almost always thrown out when 20+ dudes get caught with them and get locked up for it.
America FLIP FLOPS so much with laws, im getting sea sick!!
@@sunnyskiez912316 is age of consent in SC unless the person is in a position of a authority. That being said, sex w/o consent is a whole different can of worms
Well said. AJC is not fit to line a bird cage. Contains less fact than a baseball card.
Thank you for at least looking at all of the details and telling everyone. I believe you are unbiased the way you’ve always spoken.
Georgia should hire Josh fot their PR department.
Same with Bama 😂😂😂
As for the AJC versus UGA thing?, thank you so much Josh Pate for your service to the public trust with KEEPING THINGS REAL!!! PS - l will own my biases here… GO DAWGS!!!! (The heck with the AJC!!!!)
Best comprehensive take on the whole situation I've heard so far. Thanks for some actual journalism, logic, and measured responses. People also fail to realize that organization employees like Gantt fill a needed role for kids who are away from home and their guardians in times of crisis. It's not necessarily nefarious. Sometimes its welcomed assistance onsite to connect these kids with parents and resources immediately when their actual guardians are several states away from being able to help. No one is taking allegations of sexual assault lightly, but we should also afford defendants the right to be innocent until PROVED guilty. I suggest everyone read up on Brian Banks...among others...
Bulltard agreeing…shocking lmao
U are right man I'm A Alabama fan and they Ran Brandon Miller through the ringer last basketball season but it's funny when police reports and Dash cam footage comes out destroys all their narratives and it seems like non of these people are ever heald accountable for spewing non sense
The good ol' Atlanta Urinal and Constipation. Never let actual facts get in the way.
You are such an honest creator. What has happened to the media?
The AJC hasn't ALWAYS been out to get us. They USED TO BE the best UGA FOOTBALL coverage you could find.
Amazingly insightful comments, Josh.
I’m glad to hear your voice loud & clear on this “story”… which seems to me more about a paper & its ‘journos’ trying to make a mark, rather than being clear with the relaying of events.
I’m a PSU alum, and we could have used a few POV’s like yours about 12 years ago, when the media descended like locusts on Happy Valley and shit all over it, as well as the reputation of our uni & our FB program. They didn’t look for facts - they looked for ways to create more damage to a program that had truly focused more on character & education as much as athletics.
It was a sham, and as a former journo myself, I did the research, and found the coverage of the events heinous and incendiary.
We can’t be a mob rule society, with instant consequences to those involved in controversial issues.
Thanks for your words on GA… I don’t want to see any other institution go through what PSU did.
It’s taken a decade to get back to where we were.
Best to you and your gang. SG
Fantastic video! Love your perspective and level headed views.
Read the full AJC article and listened to entire segment. Big, Big Thumbs Up!
Thank you for this Josh
The AJC is full of GA Tech hacks
As a former collegiate athlete, I'm immediately skeptical of sexual accusations against a big-time player. As a former member of the military who has had to witness many horrible situations, I have zero apathy for the truly guilty of those crimes. So I'm conflicted, but Kirby does need to keep an eye on the peripheral before his program risks becoming Jimbo Fisher at FSU 2.0. As for the players and parents, this is one of the cons that comes with giving up the student athlete title for the right to make money. I'm not saying any of it is right, but when you earn money for a high profile job, you become fair game. Just the way it is.
This was a great video. Very well said.
Great show AJC i stopped reading AJC years ago they went left long time ago .
It’s the problem with the sports related media in today’s world that when some team gets to the top, the media looks for every opportunity to find faults in that team. The media is looking to always expose the big thing that makes them tick. The media want the opportunity to get and “expose” the big story whether it’s true or not.
Watergate Syndrome. Ever since the Washington Post took down a President, editors and writers think that is what they have to do to get noticed.
Thank you, very well put
Very good summary. Thank you.
Thank you. There are hosts out there that never passed an English cass.
I remember when Huskers were elite, every hiccup from the players became a national headline. I don't get the OMG when I see this at other schools. 100 plus kids are connected to any particular team and there will always be a few causing troubles. Seeing disciplinary action match the misdeed is the key.
Lawrence Phillips was on a whole different level of problems.
@@wcfenderson5609 LP is an angel now. RIP
Appreciate you, Pate. Thank you!
This is part of the Late Kick PODCAST. I HIGHLY RECOMMEND LISTENING TO THAT PODCAST!!! So at the part of the show where Josh is getting reactions to the question: What do you think of Michigan Head Coach Jim Harbaugh?
So several minutes go by, then Josh uses his little “alien” to pose some questions to… but when Josh says that the alien is packing up, and it is getting ready to
leave… at 43:52 (in the PODCAST VERSION) Josh
said: “hold on, I’ve got some Reece’s pieces”.. I laughed harder in that moment than I have in months!!!! 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Josh, you should get a T-shirt that says "DON'T JOSH ME!", for you were spitting the truth!
It’s ALWAYS about the money. Most media doesn’t want to present the whole story, they want me to get angry, to have some righteous indignation about _____(just fill in the blank). It’s more profitable to try to bring down the “big guy” the successful person, because the public loves to see someone fall/fail. That way I’ll come back the next day and the next day to look for and find another hit of the drug(anger/resentment).
Thanks Josh for taking us through a very detailed honest piece.
I read a article similar to that in the USA TODAY 2 days ago by Dan Wolken.
The USA Today article parroted the AJC article. Neither are factually accurate. There wasn’t a cover up and what has been said about jerrett is borderline defamation.
Anderson was booted from the team when charges were brought against him. It’s old news.
Jamaal Jerrett was proven innocent after an investigation.
Alabam caught the same scrutiny when they were on top. Georgia is the top dog right now so everybody is looking for something to tear them down. I don't even want to start on the sexual abuse "allegations" because of all of the men that lost their career based off an accusal, only to find out it was made up from the beginning.
“Also, it’s not a street racing show…” lol😂
The Georgia haters aren’t gonna like this one JP. They all clicked on this video specifically to hear you slander UGA and not speak unbiased facts. Come on now…
@@edwardo8424 You’re both mad and delusional kid. Get well soon.
Lots of programs have had bad stuff revealed about them in the press. This is the first time you've gone to bat for one.
Holy moly that final quote…I’ll be saying that for awhile.
Love the channel jp
You the man JP!! 💯
Someone is scared of what Kirby and UGA is becoming. Not just a powerhouse but a Juggernaut in recruiting and winning. People are trying to put heat on Kirby and Georgia so he will leave.
10% here Woot! Steam on Pate State!
logic is a wonderful thing. Thank you Josh.
This is why I found you and watch you now. You were the best I ever heard talking college football, your takes and perspectives, when you popped in on Bobby Z's show years ago. I still think that.
AJC? They usually are haters. But this level? I dunno. Whether its anti-UGA or pro-Tech right down the street from 'em, anti-Kirby or jealous or a higher-up with an axe to grind. Maybe a desperate hail-mary due to low profits. Whatever it is, its sleazy. And like most corporate - owned media these days, they have an agenda, sides are picked BEFORE a topic is written or spoken about. Omissions and spinning the facts, giving a clear picture of what the reader must think about the topic. Instead of just, here is everything we know. Which IS reporting. But now, its just a bunch of BS. And in most major institutions.
Throw science in the same boat. Most all science these days, like nearly all, arrives at an outcome that benefits those who funded it. And who will likely fund them in the future. Drug companies, governments, foundations, you get my drift. Too many entities have become too big, too rich, too powerful that now, its ALL CROOKED.
Everyone that will ever or has ever won a championship will go through this as well. Its just their turn finally. My only thing is when does driven perception become reality? It will have a effect.
Great job Josh.
Best take I’ve seen on this.
Hilarious to me that this is still being thrown around if Georgia had a culture problem they wouldn’t be getting ready to sign one of the best recruiting classes in college football history
And yet when it's said about a rival, it' always gospel.
247 Sports Rankings Top School
2023 - Alabama, Georgia, Texas,Oklahoma, OSU
2022 - A&M, Alabama, Georgia, OSU, Texas
2021 - Alabama, OSU, LSU, Georgia, Clemson
2020 - Georgia, Alabama, Clemson, LSU, OSU
2019 - Alabama, Georgia, Texas, Oklahoma, OSU
2018 - Georgia, OSU, Texas, USC, Alabama
2017 - Alabama, OSU, Georgia, USC,Michigan
2016 - Alabama, LSU, FSU, , OSU, Ole Miss
2015 - Alabama, USC, FSU, Tennessee, LSU
2014 - Alabama, LSU, OSU, FSU, A & M
Running thru quickly ....
Bama are in the top five, 10 ten times
Buckeyes are in the top five 9 times
Dawgs is in the top five 7 times
Horns are in the top five 4 times
Trojans in the top five 3 times
FSU in the top five 3 times
Aggies are in the top five 2 times
Clemson in the top five 2 times
LSU in the top five 2 times
And every year, you will see fans pushing stories based upon stories they didn't read ... this started at what I call the 'end of western civilization" when AOL allowed people to post online w/o using their real names and flame wars began ... Up again with the people began to earn money via click .. and click bait" arrived.
With the smartphone, it went up a notch as folks using the small screen didn't want to scroll thru a full story. The other huge push was when TV networks combined click bait headlines, abandoning journalistic ethics and "new reporting" became based on what any random wingnut said or wrote anything in a public space.
It allows people to justify in their minds picking themselves up a bit above the masses by having confirmation that everything was their or their "group's" failures.
The great Senator Moynihan said it best ... "“You are entitled to your opinion. But you are not entitled to your own facts.” And if you run off your mouth without getting the facts.. well mark Twin said it best ...“It's better to keep your mouth shut and appear stupid than open it and remove all doubt "
Florida championship run had them taking top classes under Urban and they were all saints by this regard. That said Kirby pushing for 90 day open record response from 15 is ultra shady and shows corruption in the state.
@@gatorfred8could view it that way, or maybe he realizes 15 days is too soon for some of this stuff to be published because a lot happens after those initial 15 days.
People remember the story, not the retractions.
It's a balancing act and I don't know anyone knows the proper balance.
@@gatorfred8 the difference is you had players on that Florida team actively involved in street gangs there’s no comparison you sound completely foolish comparing the 2
“The battle is won when the average American views a corporate journalist the same way they view tobacco executives.” - Michael Malice
Great quote. Who the hell is M. Malice?
@@charlesplymail1721 he’s an underwear model for sheath.
GREAT reporting and commenting, Josh. You're so right about these kneejerk commentors.
I know one thing UF let's kids go just from serious allegations,they dnt wait around and let the justice system play out. Look at kitna . Months later his charges were dropped to misdemeanors bc of a weak case and he can now move on w his life but that won't b at UF. THEY take it seriously
Detective Josh, you have inspired me to do my own investigating. I’ll at least do that before commenting.
People who do this are simply evil and don't care about others. Who cares if you ruin someone's life for no reason if you make some money off of it right?
They do the same stuff with Trump
When smoke normally a fire, it's the Coaches job to put out the fire in this case.
Josh Pate getting at commentators with facts. I love it.
I agree with your take on this 🏈🏈🏈
Heavy issues indeed, I haven’t read or heard about these present issues… my 1st take would be to the alleged victim and their truthfulness and safety .. when the facts are found sound then it’s time for the truth and justice to come out … whew … I believe in the jury and the judge system .. the media in general I think sometimes over steps their boundaries…the checks and balances are in my opinion are slowly eroding..
Kirby works those boys harder than any team in the nation and he recruits second to none. When you combine the two you see what happens on the field. It’s strictly football. Kirby seems like the type to treat his players how they will be treated in the real world. If you make dumb choices then that’s your fault. He’s not gonna baby or council anyone. It’s strictly hard work and business at Georgia. Not to mention the athletes at UGA literally have every resource available to not be getting caught up in BS. If u get in trouble at Georgia you’re likely looking for it
Well this past year Kirby recruited 2nd to Alabama
@@sethmartin7084 cool if you took what I said literal as in they will 100% always have the number 1 recruiting class every single year for the rest of time then cudos to you for correcting me. 👍
Well, to be fair you did literally say he works those boys harder than any team in the nation and recruits second to none. And then stated that you were not saying that they will recruit #1 100% of the time for now till then end of time. When in reality, kirby has only ever had 2 #1 recruiting classes ever. And technically only out worked everyone 2 times as well. It's actually factually true and literally true that saban has out recruited everyone second to none, and outworked everyone second to none in the past 15 years more than Kirby, ohio state, and michigan all combined. So its not even that he took it literally. Its that it's just not even a tad bit true and completely a Ludacris statement. Not hating but just stating the statistical craziness to even say that statement at all. While adding the obvious elephant in the room to your statement.......which is Saban!!
@@aklantrainingmask3.035 it was a light hearted joke chill out lol
@@caseydangar4414 Yall do realize that coming in second place in recruiting RANKINGS (keyword rankings) doesn’t necessarily mean your recruits turned out to be inferior to the team that came in #1 In rankings? Georgia has clearly had better players as a whole on their team than anyone else and that’s judging on Saturdays not recruiting rankings. The results speak for themselves. Therefore once again Kirby recruits second to none. If you want to turn it into a recruiting ranking argument then whatever
Watched the whole episode. Haven’t read the AJC article. I really appreciate the the thoughtful approach, Josh. So much of the media today is based on clicks. Clearly the AJC (perhaps this writer) has an agenda and is editorializing Keep doing what your doing. This commentary reiterated that viewers can trust that you have a level, educated perspective.
A wise man with wise words. We need to remember, innocent until proven guilty and assuming we all know how that goes.
I’m the 10%!!! Imma buy a lottery ticket! Love the show!
I’m all in on what you’re saying about get to know the details. Because if everyone would have done the same thing as you just explained the miami program wouldn’t have been publicly destroyed for what happened with the Nevin Shapiro stuff.
Dig into the details on that one and you’ll see how inept the ncaa has always been. Anyone who thinks it’s a new thing based on what they are trying to do by keeping themselves relevant hasn’t been paying attention.
Amen brother. There’s a lot of cheap lazy journalism, perpetuating disinformation, or not doing the legwork.
Josh "shill for the sec" Pate.😂😂😂😂
I’ve never heard of the AJC.
That newspaper is not what i grew up reading, what my old man would spend 8 hours reading cover to cover on sunday mornings in tighty whities and black socks, not what a newspaper should or could be.
It's not reporting, it's activisim. It's people who prey on other people's lives, misfortunes, mostly negative things....and it's legal.
I cancelled my subscription months ago and they send me more renewal emails than when i subscribed.
It's garbage now--and they hire anyone willing to admit they read the national enquirer.
Creating stories out of nothing--it's like reading 2 people arguing about nothing and having to pay for it.
Nah just let them keep feeding the fire….they gonna piss this team off and you don’t want to do that lol
The modern America media is both a blessing and a curse. It's got some serious problems right now. In the never ending fight to attract eyeballs it's developed into propaganda, professional trolling, and gossip. Ultimately it's up to us, the readers, to reject these things.
They take it seriously; no one is perfect and these are still 18-25 year old kids. Mistakes WILL be made
This entire AJC piece reminds me a whole lot of the case in, I think Kansas where a very promising high school football player's life was destroyed by a female who lied when she accused this kid of rape. He spent 8 years in prison for a crime he didn't commit
Imagine this was a 20 year old guy pursuing a 16 year old volleyball recruit - If it were opposite genders they'd be pursuing charges against her for statutory and grooming.
have not read the articles, wonder if the authors compared activities of the football team to those of the general student body? not that either would be right but give a complete overview of the university, not just the english majors.
The AJC is owned by Cox Enterprises, a very private company totally owned by the Cox family who are a very prominent family in Dayton OHIO!!!
Richard Jewell reference - nice
Likely more to come.
Kirby had the state change the response time to RFI from 15 days to 90 days. Enough time to finish a season before they have to respond to any requests.
That being said the article is a hack job on UGA.
Cue the popcorn and watch the show
Jamaal Jarrett following in the footsteps of Patrick Mahomes Michael Erwin Sports Heroes
When you are on top, everyone sees you, and shoots at you:)
Beat the pay wall. Open the article, as soon as it opens hit ctrl a then ctrl c. Open a word document and hit ctrl v. The actions will copy and paste the article to the word document.
The circulation for the AJC has been dropping ever since the introduction of indoor plumbing.
Voice of reason. thus why Josh is heading to be one of the best.
He's not "heading", he's there.
The boldest prediction is “Georgia will not have any trouble with the law” that would be a 10/10
My belief is the school/program is to be held to a higher standard than the individual player. By saying you should have the back of the individual player casts a light that is not good on the remainder of the team who have not put the team in that bad light. If the accusations turn out to be false, the door should reopen to return.The coach should have a policy that does not involves any judgement. Every player should be treated equally no matter where they are on the depth chart, and every player should know this.
Huh? That response had nothing to do with video.
All I can say is that there is a pattern of this behavior and that in itself should be concerning. Not saying the current players are guilty or not but the school should hire an unbiased investigator and find out are there situations that can or that are fostering this type of behavior because players have egos and combined with drinking and other outside things do cause these things to happen. It happens at alot of schools and for it to be mentioned leads me to believe that there is some truth in aligations even though the story seems exaggerated and at some point will become truth if not addressed.
What is the AJC?