Peter Thiel on Political Theology | Conversations with Tyler

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  • In this conversation recorded live in Miami, Tyler and Peter Thiel dive deep into the complexities of political theology, including why it’s a concept we still need today, why Peter’s against Calvinism (and rationalism), whether the Old Testament should lead us to be woke, why Carl Schmitt is enjoying a resurgence, whether we’re entering a new age of millenarian thought, the one existential risk Peter thinks we’re overlooking, why everyone just muddling through leads to disaster, the role of the katechon, the political vision in Shakespeare, how AI will affect the influence of wordcels, Straussian messages in the Bible, what worries Peter about Miami, and more.
    Recorded February 21st, 2024
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  • @user-wu9nc1hq7o
    @user-wu9nc1hq7o หลายเดือนก่อน +47

    peter on thumbnail. im in

  • @lakshitchopra758
    @lakshitchopra758 หลายเดือนก่อน +16

    Peter Thiel is a bona fide polymath! :)

  • @harrison6082
    @harrison6082 หลายเดือนก่อน +21

    It's nice to hear Peter's latest ideas and perspective.
    9:00 14:47 16:59 19:58 35:28 49:15 53:35 56:55 1:01:02 1:03:56 1:15:18 1:16:26 1:19:28

  • @AlexMacGregor
    @AlexMacGregor 8 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    Great discussion!

  • @levimk101
    @levimk101 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I always find learning a bit about different languages really worthwhile. You see how you can think differently about familiar problems, think about the language’s design tradeoffs, trying to breakdown problems in new ways, and other interesting learning experiences.

  • @_1jay
    @_1jay หลายเดือนก่อน +7

    No (direct) questions about aging tech?
    "I remain committed to the faith of my teenage years: to authentic human freedom as a precondition for the highest good. I stand against confiscatory taxes, totalitarian collectives, and the ideology of the inevitability of the death of every individual. "
    Peter Thiel, 2007 The Education of a Libertarian

  • @davidkey4272
    @davidkey4272 หลายเดือนก่อน +13

    Whoah! Where did this come from. This just made my day

  • @colastaylor2055
    @colastaylor2055 22 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Excellent video, ties back in the foundational principle that you want to be consciously consistently criticising your established perception of yourself

  • @r3dhand_
    @r3dhand_ หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Loved his point on the inversions of the new and old testament.

    • @r3dhand_
      @r3dhand_ หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Also the idea of being a greater victim than Christ being impossible is grand.

  • @andreferretti7087
    @andreferretti7087 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    How did no one ask Peter's opinion on the public debt bubble (and money printing)? He even explicitly linked the US in the 2020s to the Weimar Republic in the 1920s!

  • @JohnVandivier
    @JohnVandivier 3 วันที่ผ่านมา

    That part when Peter recited TULIP ❤

  • @thomasp.1828
    @thomasp.1828 หลายเดือนก่อน +30

    Spartan dress. Peter's neck is very sculptable.

    • @andrewhooper7603
      @andrewhooper7603 หลายเดือนก่อน

      ​@gregb954 🤞

    • @FeterPrahm
      @FeterPrahm 29 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      ​@gregb954yeah he doesn't look particularly healthy

    • @SP-ye8hj
      @SP-ye8hj 28 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      Pretty gay dude

    • @resurrectingexcellence
      @resurrectingexcellence 28 วันที่ผ่านมา

      He's probably got aids

    • @user-ql4ud9zr7m
      @user-ql4ud9zr7m 26 วันที่ผ่านมา

      It looks ugly , not sculptable

  • @user-ql4ud9zr7m
    @user-ql4ud9zr7m 26 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    I understood half of it, where can I learn more?

  • @danecjensen
    @danecjensen 23 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

    Chapters (Powered by ChapterMe) -
    00:00 - Hello, Peter and Teller
    00:06 - Political theologys importance in modern society
    04:51 - Calvinism scapegoats God for mistakes
    06:40 - Libertarianisms middle ground Catholicism, Eastern Orthodox, Lutherans
    08:17 - Orthodox Christian views on Gods continuity with progressives
    12:02 - Bronze Age pervert alternative, victimhood, Christian inspiration
    17:02 - Powerful political division explains Berlin Wall collapse
    20:03 - Predicting liberalisms collapse in Weimar, West Germany
    23:11 - Millenarianism and apocalyptic fears
    26:33 - Eschatological fear of oneworld totalitarian government
    30:03 - US becoming more federalistic, authoritarian, chaotic
    31:18 - Peace and safety over global chaos
    36:05 - Muddling through Antiintellectual distrust, distrust in human agency
    37:08 - Catacomb mysterious force that restrains oneworld state
    41:06 - Lutheranisms emphasis on human agency
    44:06 - Shakespeares characters differing worldviews
    46:54 - Shakespearean Brutuss role in Julius Caesars conspiracy
    49:13 - AIs impact on society, Silicon Valleys failure
    50:07 - Predicting AIs impact on math
    53:23 - Questions about AIs impact on society
    56:53 - Personalities hedgehog, fox, and crypto
    59:46 - Physicist Nick Bostrom explains why he supports longworld government
    01:01:39 - Straussian messages in political theology
    01:05:08 - Star Treks centralized future
    01:07:48 - Utility in postmodern world
    01:08:11 - Lincolns political religion and personal history
    01:09:11 - Competitive track and field led to Stanford success
    01:09:23 - New York Citys top law firm Everybody wanted in
    01:09:35 - Struggling with medic crisis, scaling Teal Fellowship
    01:12:44 - Machiavellian influence in Silicon Valley
    01:13:26 - Walmarts antiunion tactics in the 2000s
    01:17:36 - AIs centralization and stagnation
    01:21:09 - Future doubling down on AI
    01:21:22 - Silicon Valleys role in world order
    01:23:48 - Miamis local governance needs improvement
    01:24:09 - Miamis Georgist Real Estate
    01:25:16 - AIs role in politics and theology
    01:26:57 - What is the model generated?

  • @MetricsOfMeaning
    @MetricsOfMeaning หลายเดือนก่อน

    11:59 BAP Yarvin Hazony connection very relevant

  • @nathanngumi8467
    @nathanngumi8467 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Great discussion and questions!

  • @dmystfy
    @dmystfy 27 วันที่ผ่านมา

    His answer to the question at 10:07 was unexpected!

  • @JusticeConder
    @JusticeConder หลายเดือนก่อน +11

    Secular christianity

  • @reedjohnny4635
    @reedjohnny4635 29 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    1:21:46
    "delve", Paul Graham isn't happy.

  • @libaax1342
    @libaax1342 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    There is this dualism in Peter, "fight" on one side against world control/existential risks relating to "one partysms"/control AND investments in Palantir enable control/collection of data that facilitate the existential risks he is "fighting".

    • @FeterPrahm
      @FeterPrahm 29 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

      while I appreciate his philosophical insights, I dislike the companies he invests in

    • @julianjdogg
      @julianjdogg 24 วันที่ผ่านมา

      It makes sense if you want to win. You bet on both sides.

    • @juanvaladez5703
      @juanvaladez5703 11 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      He’s a hypocrite, it’s quite simple.

    • @skrrskrr3241
      @skrrskrr3241 4 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      feter Phram haha stark

  • @ryankane9500
    @ryankane9500 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

    "optimistic boomer libertarian like you" only real miladys felt this one

  • @vanessa1569
    @vanessa1569 29 วันที่ผ่านมา +8

    Again, why am I always surprised by Thiel? He’s a bit of an enigma.

    • @nickelmouse451
      @nickelmouse451 28 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Wrapped in a sensual, sensual body

    • @WongTag
      @WongTag 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

      In this world of ideologically motivated masses, he appears heterodox. I suspect more of us are similarly circumspect and wise if not as intelligent. It’s just not a behavior directly rewarded by our contemporary systems.

  • @RozkminaRozwojowa
    @RozkminaRozwojowa หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Zero to One - fantastic!!!!

  • @andrewhooper7603
    @andrewhooper7603 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    They should have pressed him on automations effects on the working class.

  • @nah8845
    @nah8845 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +8

    As much as Thiel is an anti-communist, I am an anti-libertarian/anti-liberal. However, even though I essentially disagree on probably most everything, I'm quite struck at how much more of an intellectual Thiel is in comparison to his billionaire contemporaries. At minimum, I appreciate his thoroughness and depth in intellectual pursuits and that at least inspires me to take my own intellectual pursuits more seriously so as to be able to have even more profound and well versed counter-logic to his what I believe to be heinous and evil conception of humanity, liberalism, and the "meaning" of life.

    • @faisalk.7520
      @faisalk.7520 11 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      Agreed. I don't agree with all of Peter Thiels core values, but some of his takes on the world is refreshing. At the same time, I may be too dumb to realize if it's all for show to manipulate people.

  • @FionaHuang-xh7nw
    @FionaHuang-xh7nw หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Peter Thiel

  • @VisibleTrouble
    @VisibleTrouble หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    39:00 - Mistaking Properties for Features- he will make the same mistake… too smart to not know.

  • @wil3
    @wil3 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    peter is the closest thing we have to niccolò machiavelli in these times. Always a pleasure to hear from him

  • @ASwagPecan
    @ASwagPecan หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    Max Azzarello send anyone else here?

  • @MarsBorg
    @MarsBorg 28 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Thetan Speil - Ameropath

  • @morganp7238
    @morganp7238 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

    Is Thiel ill or just thinning up? I hope it is the latter. He was not in good shape.

    • @brycewaddell5673
      @brycewaddell5673 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      He’s on diabetic meds

    • @kevinlong4657
      @kevinlong4657 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      maybe his blood boy is on vacation

    • @HiberNAT
      @HiberNAT 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      Ozempic face 👀

    • @Neight0
      @Neight0 9 วันที่ผ่านมา

      TRT also, perhaps. Not a criticism, just an observation of his neck/clavicular tension, and skin complexion in that area. Particularly common with exogenous hormone use.

  • @healthymealthy775
    @healthymealthy775 27 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Catacon? did I get that right?

  • @davidanalyst671
    @davidanalyst671 9 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Peter Thiel said he wasn't a calvinist because of a philosophy book written by Girard. Thiel just used a philosophy book to judge a religious book. That doesn't even make sense.

  • @shannon-daygrant8754
    @shannon-daygrant8754 29 วันที่ผ่านมา

    are the prostitute and bank robber equivalent? re: 1:15 ish...because from a libertarian perspective (like Thiels) isn't the prostitute morally superior to the bank robber? unless he was talking about it from Rosa Luxembourg's pov...

  • @IslamicRageBoy
    @IslamicRageBoy หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    First

  • @61757
    @61757 24 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Chatgpt said, when i asked if Kamala would cone with a market crash, it replied, we cannot say anything bad about the vice president....AI not so smart

  • @sebastianaguiarbrunemeier9192
    @sebastianaguiarbrunemeier9192 28 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

    In which Thiel reinvents himself as a Biblical scholar

    • @junkscience6397
      @junkscience6397 14 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Still FAR more fact filled than your empty comment....

  • @PatricioCansecoOrozco
    @PatricioCansecoOrozco 5 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Peter Thiel has gone crazy. Now he only speaks about god and politics. I miss when he used to talk about tech and businesses.

  • @maxsebastian
    @maxsebastian 29 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

    He needs to lay off the ozempic

  • @timothybrosz7697
    @timothybrosz7697 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    how would he ever talk to a student

    • @kbkesq
      @kbkesq หลายเดือนก่อน

      Assign reading to be completed before the conversation. Student wouldn’t have to know everything he knows as a 50-something.

    • @carlosmanueljager169
      @carlosmanueljager169 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Poor Tyler

  • @harbifm766766
    @harbifm766766 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    He lost a lot of weight..hpefully not because of a cell growth mutation

  • @jaythefox
    @jaythefox หลายเดือนก่อน

    Ayn Rand wasn't Jewish, she was Greek.

    • @cristianst85
      @cristianst85 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      In a sense, yes. Because her philosophy was much influenced of Aristotle.

  • @kyleward5249
    @kyleward5249 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    Dang, Perhaps my view of Peter was ill informed previously because I thought as a successful entrepreneur he was more of an original thinker. And maybe it was due to the line of questioning but it seemed he was either plugging other world views with the constant combatants of how he can't quite subscribe to a certain existing theology. Or he was trying to avoid the soapbox. He just decided for whatever reason to not turn and face a more conclusive perspective. What do I know maybe originality is unachievable

    • @MetricsOfMeaning
      @MetricsOfMeaning หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      His reasoning is very via negativa, or apophatic. He inducts from and toward the negative of concepts, rather than over stretching and affirming a concepts existence. It’s why he’s libertarian, he’s anti holistic systematic methods that positively asserts.

    • @matthewlee7287
      @matthewlee7287 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      Peter is a student of Rene Girard whose entire philosophy revolved around mimesis and imitation. I have a feeling Peter doesn't believe it's that possible or easy to be truly original. He probably subscribes to the idea that imitation is fundamental to our nature.

  • @kbkesq
    @kbkesq หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    I’m here to hear if Peter thinks the end of the world is here. A few years ago he pooh poohed AI but now it’s a huge factor.
    He had vision moving palantir out of California specifically San Francisco and just look at how bad Google is with employees revolting to support Hamas. Look at universities from top to bottom failing.

  • @g.o.9513
    @g.o.9513 28 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Peter is probably the highest level in Helldivers 2

  • @jennetal.984
    @jennetal.984 23 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Can you just drop Karl Schmitt’s name and not expect a phone call from your donors?

  • @spiralizing
    @spiralizing 28 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Yikes

  • @ubergenie6041
    @ubergenie6041 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    So Theil seems to understand the incoherence of Calvinism 😮
    Theology proper must ask about the nature of god. Instead we get an interview that runs through,”Why aren’t you x, why aren’t you y, so then are you z?”
    Very pedantic.
    Why not start with what we think we know to be true about the nature of god if such a being exists and then move towards the organization of societies given god’s nature and also man’s condition in god’s world?
    How does this get to the central religious questions:
    Where did we come from?
    Where are we going when we die?
    How should we live our lives morally if there is indeed an objective source of morality?
    How do I relate to god?
    How do we organize a society that operates the way god would want me us to?

    • @tuckerbugeater
      @tuckerbugeater หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      cope

    • @matthewjnyman
      @matthewjnyman หลายเดือนก่อน

      Very much agree on your preference for the discussion. Would have liked to see this too.
      On your intro comment, I think Calvin-ism has become a dissection of parts stretched to extremes. But could you say that Calvin's views don't share the same degree of incoherence?

  • @cherylwilder7369
    @cherylwilder7369 28 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Read the book of Revelation in the Bible...the pages are litterally unfolding on the world stage...only God himself would have known the future..Jesus is coming back soon

  • @sakurachristineito6428
    @sakurachristineito6428 9 วันที่ผ่านมา

    If you close your eyes, his voice sounds like Mark Zuckerberg...how come all Silicon Valley entrepreneurs talk the same way? It's like they're the same AI programmed software installed in different robots

  • @DanHowardMtl
    @DanHowardMtl 27 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Daniel was written after the fact pretending to be prophetic.

    • @juanvaladez5703
      @juanvaladez5703 11 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Yeah ok demon. The jig is up!

  • @burtonsankeralli5445
    @burtonsankeralli5445 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    AI can render the Anti Christ superfluous.

    • @andrewhooper7603
      @andrewhooper7603 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Elaborate

    • @burtonsankeralli5445
      @burtonsankeralli5445 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@andrewhooper7603 AI may soon be able to do everything tbe antiChrist does and better

    • @oath4717
      @oath4717 14 วันที่ผ่านมา

      ai could manifest as the Antichrist, as most AI is woke, like chatgpt, and opposes morality and religion itself

    • @juanvaladez5703
      @juanvaladez5703 11 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@burtonsankeralli5445 like what? Provide a specific example.

  • @tripp8833
    @tripp8833 หลายเดือนก่อน

    He's really worried about a one-world state... How exactly is that going to work with Iran, Israel, US, China, Saudi Arabia? They're just going to wake up and decide to get along one day?

  • @hcharton5722
    @hcharton5722 28 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Talk about being in your own head, wow.

  • @SP-ml9je
    @SP-ml9je 23 วันที่ผ่านมา

    he does not look well...

  • @juanvaladez5703
    @juanvaladez5703 11 วันที่ผ่านมา

    He looks demonic.

  • @mandyshanks2327
    @mandyshanks2327 29 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    Is he speaking English? No idea what he is talking about.

    • @schwajj
      @schwajj 28 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      It’s extremely comprehensible, for the most part. Most likely you’re missing relevant background (as I am on some of the theological points, eg: Calvinism).

  • @timothybrosz7697
    @timothybrosz7697 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    does he know anything ... just lucky he made a lot of money

    • @Analyst2019pro
      @Analyst2019pro 29 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

      Dude he’s a Stanford law grad hahaha

  • @loremipsum685
    @loremipsum685 28 วันที่ผ่านมา

    saying "the woke" non-ironically is not only utterly cringe but utterly out of touch

  • @AnilSardemann
    @AnilSardemann 23 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Whataboutism: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deism?wprov=sfla1