I always love hearing from Thiel but I don't think any interview has ever gotten to the core of who he is, including this one. It's still all surface level stuff. I need to know what Thiel, if he was made emperor/dictator would do/demand of society. I want to know what his no-holds-barred vision is. I hope one day he just unleashes. Give it to us raw.
@@AI_effectobjective facts are at the mercy of the narrative they're spun into. Looking at religion provides a framework for how these facts are spun into narrative. He did train as a lawyer after all
he is a fake guru. like tai lopez. spoke about twitter not doing anything for the world, yet runs a shady body shop using chart js in the form of palantir.
I would also like that but it is probably too dangerous for him to really say what he believes. The media has attacked him pretty hard over the past few years for getting involved in politics. Most of the oligarchs and influential people are bloodthirsty progressives who could really come after him, so he has to be careful.
I did Electrical and Electronic engineering in the early 2000s and was an engineer for many years. The problem with EEE is that in order to make advancements you have to comply with ALOT of pre-existing standards, inevitably you end up becoming an engineer who makes small changes to some existing tech within a big corporation. I ended up giving it up and started my own software company and I find it much for fulfilling, I am able to be creative and more impactful changes at a faster rate.
The inclusion of race studies is a result of the 1965 Hart-Celler Immigration Act that began to flood this country with non white people, thus displacing the white population who will soon be on just another minority. You can thank the Republicans for this by pushing for equality which goes hand in hand with diversity.
As a bona fide senior citizen, I can remember the TV show "Walt Disney Presents" and the "Tomorrowland" segment. It was so full of optimism for our future. I look at the first two decades of the 21st century and I realize that Walt had it all wrong. Socially, we are regressing at an astounding rate and the pace of the decline is increasing. Walt, what happened?
@@drmodestoesq Hmm, is that just another Wikipedia WOKE hit job on someone? Certainly, his vision has been ruined by the WOKE religion, but he didn’t live ling enough to watch it happen.
What HAPPENED IS the Religious Right became more and more agitated as Y2K approached and began preaching about THE SECOND COMING OF CHRIST, The RAPTURE, and other APOCALYPTIC tales so as to replace our hopes for a brighter future with fears about being "left behind" and prophecies about the end times. It's one reason we have the surge in Christian Nationalism today. We tossed out science for superstition and silliness.
While Pete’s book was indeed foretelling, at this point he could no doubt benefit from catching up with James Lindsay…particularly his work on Gramsci, Marcuse and The Frankfurt School.
Peter Thiel is a modern day Nazi Darwinist. Completely out of touch with reality because he lives among the elite that don't give af about you or I. Honestly they prefer we die off so they can replace us with machines. Do not idolize these people.
@@rotfogel I just get this feeling listening to him speak that if this were 1940s Germany, he would be a top ranking Nazi or a SS concentration camp prison guard. 😂
5:27 - diversity should mean more than looks 8:00 - thesis of The DM 10:12 - 4 DEI distractions 13:14 - history of political correctness 27:31 - sending kids to elite colleges 28:56 - Starbucks union wants to put lgbtq banners up (Walmart) 31:51 - Georgist economic analysis 34:42 - how to grow an economy 36:33 - politics at work
I felt like my CS degree wasn't prestigious enough among my friends, they all considered engineering to be the hardest and top degree. But I think it may have been because where I grew up had only defense contractors and biomedical engineering. I guess peter thought the same thing in the 1990s, CS was seen as this non-rigorous backwater of a major. But now the CS department is the crown jewel of the college
I am generally a fan of Peter over many years, listened to dozens of his interviews and had the pleasure of meeting him 2 times. What has started to disappoint me over the years is the complete lack of interviewers who: 1) ask hard questions 2) in good faith It seems that your typical Thiel interview is some fan boy or employee of his, just gently nudging him towards a list of conversation topics. I feel this does not do justice to either Peter or public dialogue over hard topics.
He goes over the same topics constantly which can get annoying. It would be nice if an interviewer listened to his previous interviews and asked different questions and challenged him a little more, he's the most interesting of our oligarchs by far so it's fascinating to hear what he has to say.
It looks like Peter only takes interviews with people in awe of him, willing to ask a few question's he's selected. It also means we don't see him being asked about anything new or interesting, just the things he's 100% prepared to talk about.
I mean, this is incredible. Incredible questions. Incredible answers. Practical philosophy. Deeply inspiring. Thank you both for this incredible interview. Game changer.
Peter- people like you, myself and many others have a mind geared toward focus on problems (that we wish to seek solutions for). Some things just don’t deserve our attention- let’s stay solution-oriented. Your old roughneckin taxi driver in Aspen/friend -Eric
Will you pay him hundreds of millions of dollars? Pete's net worth is around 6 billion these days. Good luck paying him any amount of money he would notice.
Peter Thiel: A voice of reason during an age of voices of absurdity. Let's just hope someone in positions of influence are listening to him and not just relegating his thoughts to a non nuanced political point of view.
Peter Theil is a very smart malignant narcissist and libertarian sociopath. His agenda is to prop up government policy that undermines the working class. His catalyst to do this is by blaming immigrants, the poor, black people, diversity etc. His funding of Trump was a culture ware on the poor including most of Trumps own white working class support base
Excellent interview! Fantastic questions. Thiel is clearly an intellectual giant. The interviewer did a fantastic job to help open his thought processes to the rest of us. Outstanding!
22:03 its obvious: it transmits knowledge. When it works, it transmits useful knowledge. When its not working it doesnt. The odd time, people working together will create new and important knowledge at universities.
thiel is a right wing apartheid south "african" donor to the trumpet coup fash types beloved of the KKK. Look in the mirror and put your thinking cap on🤣🤯
*Zenefits CEO David Sacks apologizes for parts of a 1996 book he co-wrote with Peter Thiel that called date rape ‘belated regret’ and took very sharp position to racism and diversity. Sacks apologized for the book and Peter Theil refused to apologize.*
A lot of good points, but saying that "Computer Science" is not a science since you can work without PhD is missing the point. i) CS is super sharing science, all results and resources are available using the infrastructure build on top of the CS ii) Mark Zuckemerg are drop outs, and are not scientist, they just business people. Even Brin and Page are not... even though they have one algorithm developed. iii) all those companies are using for FREE algorithms and theory developed from academics 20-30y ago. ML and Larger Language Models exists 20/30y+ old (or even more). I dont know in Chemistry and Pharmacy if there is such sharing culture.
Technological advances travel through the internet to capture an audience. It’s subject to the same trend-based timeframe as as an instagram influencer’s latest costumed reincarnation. The biggest economic driver today appears the re-tossing of word salad, or adding a new word ingredient, to dress a kale as a carrot…So it isn’t that emperor isn’t wearing clothes, it’s that his wardrobe is astonishingly large.
"Ideas have consequences". Or as Ayn Rand put it, to paraphrase here, the philosophy of a small number of intellectuals can eventually drive an entire nation.
Peter Thiel is someone who can get this world to make sense. Him and Gilder are guys who need a much bigger audience. Great interview Mike. A complete eye opener and makes me thirst to hear him speak on anything. I hope Palantir can rival the mess Gates has made for us. I hope he realizes how important he really is.
With China, it is not about semiconductor policy. It's about strategic metals. China controls about 80% of all of the critical strategic metal refining capability, particularly what are known as "rare earth" metals. If they exercise their massive power and advantage, our policy on semiconductors and related electronics becomes meaningless. This is fact. And it happened while our government sat back and watched and while our industrial sector facilitated it. Peter knows this.
Enjoyed this thought-provoking conversation. Grateful he (still) has the courage to speak his mind on key controversial issues - if only to spark honest debate and further study. Too many brilliant people being silenced by "woke" bots and cancel culture and that may prove tragic for all of us.
Woke ideology is definitely not worse than Christianity. I'm no fan of wokeness, and it definitely needs to be toned down, but monotheistic religion is authoritarian, sexist, and homophobic (among many other terrible things). Monotheism may have some redeeming features, but on the whole it is a net negative. Further, the positive attributes of Christianity are not unique to the religion and can be attained elsewhere. The follies of wokeness do not warrant the preservation of dogmatic Christianity.
The greatest delusion about diversity is that it is created by blending. No, diversity was created by centuries of relative separation. What we are doing when we're blending is we are harvesting its fruits while racing towards monotony. There is only so much diversity left before we have global monoculture. If we cherish diversity, we need to not only reap its fruits, but also seed and cultivate it, which means to maintain a healthy degree of separation. Not everything has to be connected.
Not just “The Diversity Myth” AND the college comedy “P.C.U.” predicts the future. A an arch and racaus and ribald documentary “How PCU Predicted the Future” to prove the point was posted on TH-cam some 8 years ago. But it was censored and removed from here last year or so
I have tremendous respect for Peter Thiel, and agree with him on his stance on identity politics. However, his claim about 30 mins in that landlords in urban cities are the beneficiaries of this and somehow contribute to this reeks of ignorance. He clearly doesn't have any rentals he manages. Landlords get the short end of the stick here, often paying $20k+ for evictions in these cities, and jump through hoops to please these very same anti-discrimination agencies. The reason rents are so expensive in these cities isn't because of landlords, but because of asinine policies preventing new construction that would drive cost down. Your rent may seem excessive, but have you looked at the mortgage in these very same cities. Home prices always outpace rents, and rental margins are paper-thin in large cities. If you want to blame someone, blame the politicians who created these cesspools under the guise of "protecting the little guy".
It’s also possible that when Theil talks about “landlords” that it’s more along the lines of the people have owned properties for a long time (generational or big cooperations) and not people just trying to make a small business in it “a la slumlord” style or something because he’s use to the high end stuff. I mean, the whole rental thing especially in big cities is a complicated topic because they’re a lot of dynamics at play with it (kicking out honest people for heavy investors to own everything for one example) and isn’t always as simple as the thing in the movie of some broke person knocking on the door telling someone to pay their rent (that is DEFINITELY one aspect of it, so I’m not trying to act like they don’t exist and don’t have an important story to tell).
“I’ve been waiting for you...” Near the end of this talk, the “have we reached the limit of both science and religion questions/answers, I have always asked: “Will it not be that (ultimately) science brings us to God.” IOW’s, one day we reach “it” and then God opens the door we knocked on and He says “I’ve been waiting for you?”
28:30 This is incredible to hear. I studied at an elite college and can confirm what he's saying. Everybody's got to lie about how much they love X and everyone gets burned out. Most people are depressed at those places.
46:37 The video skips. Peter says: "the woke religion will be stronger than the bap... religion. What did he say there that was poorly edited out? Did he say Baptist?
We avoid madness by intuitively and automatically assuming a "self", even though we cannot define it scientifically or otherwise. To deprive the universe of its own "self" leads many to madness. Not all, but many.
Some of Peter Thiel's are viewpoints quite intriguing. It appears that he identifies as a Christian Nationalist and holds significant influence in various spheres. While I respect his right to have his own beliefs, I find myself concerned with his tendency to blame 'the woke' for many of the world's problems. I would love to understand more about his perspective and how he reconciles these views with the complex realities of our time.
Observing someone in his position regurgitating terminology from right wing extremist propagnda leads me to believe he either is biased and brainwashed or he is consciously perpetrating his fake biases for his so called "conservative" co-conspirators
@@SleepyOx2023 "conservative" is as meaningless as "woke". The "conservatives" are good at manipulating the zeitgeist and act as if they are powerless. Somehow billionaires are being silenced because reach is being stifled to something similar to a mere millionaire.
@Caligula138 , left wing extremism is a non issue, more people have died since 911 from right wing extremism, while there is lmpst none from the left, you've been taken in by propaganda.
@MegaClockworkDoc , "conservative" is never intended a condescending word, while "Woke" is manufactured/misappropriated by information terrorists to be condescending, something that electrifies extremists into a frenzy. Billionaires are not being silenced, they are stupidly allowed to buy entire news conglomerates and social media unicorns as megaphones to manipulate the zeitgeist in their favor. The emergence of 2016 political campaigns exposed how they used politics to whitewash and normalize bad conduct, and it shows how Thiel is so brainwashed by his chip in the shoulder that he supported a traitor and it's party against all that is good.
Wokness is a feature of large corporations, if you can't see it then you would best be served by interrogating any ideas you have surrounding and including the notion of a public/private distinction.
It's a form of fascism. It demands adherence to the group ideology. I think the best way to describe it would be "left-wing fascism." It breeds in a corporate setting because corporate life, despite purporting to exalt individualism, really does the opposite. True individualism is only accepted at the top of the food chain. Moreover, woke is thriving currently as our culture has become obsessed with everything superficial, when we desperately need conversations of deep meaning. Even worse, anything of true depth and nuance is intentionally ignored by authorities and the media.
58:38 they have ji ji pong thought 💭 I’ll take wholeness over that anyway… I have so many questions but as a person who invested heavily in mandarin immersion and grew up studying Japanese Buddhism I’m Confused
My dad was a corporate executive and HATED compliance with “EEOC standards.” Meritocracy supersedes all else to any rational person- painstakingly obvious notions are a waste of thought & breath
Peter is missing that AI is just many low energy investment parallel processors steaming from GPU/DPU. That those supercomputers are now used for trivial tasks and respective modeling tasks is nothing the supercomputer world did not forsee 25+ years ago. The world use to have a list of 1000 fastest supercomputers. What was that list 10 years ago is now fits in 9 square feet in a 9 foot rack and consumes 3kWatts. Now the world is a on headlong rush to make more chip foundries. This decade we are awash in $3 processors, ten years from now we will be awash in $30,000 supercomputers, about 1/10,000 of 20 years before.
He's a biased self propagandist and doesn't relize it. Maybe someone during his culture war fights exposed his stupidity and he's held a grudge ever since
He just assumes everyone knows who BAP is. The interviewer didnt blink or ask a follow up eother. I would have asked Peter a few more questions about bronze age mindset.
His comments are a little weird becaue BAP is not self destructive or violent. Quite the opposite. Vitalism is life affirming- celebrating strength, health, youth, and beauty. It doesnt make excuses or sympathize with the invalid, the deformed, the weak, the broken, --mere life but that's where the argument is.
STEP 1) American Oligarchs crash the economy (examples: 1873 Panic; 1929 Crash) Step 2) Said crashes create WORLD WIDE POVERTY 3) AMERICAN style (LAISSEZ-FAIRE) Capitalism is RIGHTFULLY blamed, giving rise to socialist and communist movements in many locations around the world all at once, including in America. 4) These movements grow because the AMERICANS and other first world nations resort to NATIONALISTIC movements and start imposing tariffs which DEEPEN and EXTEND the depression by slowing the flow of goods, vilifying foreigners and ULTIMATELY resulting in WORLD WAR ONE and WORLD WAR TWO. BTW: before it was called trickle down, voodoo and supply side economics, it was called HORSE AND SPARROW ECONOMICS because, of course, the better you feed the horses, the better the sparrows eat off the street behind them. If you’ve ever heard a description of what those mud roads were like, you can get a flavor of how our ANCESTORS felt about the trickle down idea. Between the Panic of 1873 and WWI: “There are two ideas of government. There are those who believe that if you just legislate to make the well-to-do prosperous, that their prosperity will leak through on those below. The Democratic idea has been that if you legislate to make the masses prosperous their prosperity will find its way up and through every class that rests upon it.” - William Jennings Bryan, “Cross of Gold” speech at the 1896 Democratic National Convention in Chicago Between the 1929 Crash and WWII: “They (Republicans) didn’t start thinking of the old common fellow till just as they started out on the election tour. The money was all appropriated for the top in the hopes that it would trickle down to the needy. Mr. Hoover was an engineer. He knew that water trickled down. Put it uphill and let it go and it will reach the dryest little spot. But he didn’t know that money trickled up. Give it to the people at the bottom and the people at the top will have it before night anyhow. But it will at least have passed through the poor fellow’s hands. They saved the big banks but the little ones went up the flue” Will Rogers
so until point 4) - including itself - is your message that these movements are not necessarily imported by foreign actors, but actually normal reactions in response to the worst side of capitalism being present at certain times in history that tend to elevate the feeling of total injustice, etc? ... so my reading of you to that point is that these non-capitalist movements are competing in a darwinistic "free market" style, no? If that's somewhat accurate, can you elaborate on the last 2 paragraphs and their connection with the first 4 points?
@@iFastee ABSOLUTELY NOT. How on earth did you get THAT from what I said? First, I said it was LAISSEZ-FAIRE Capitalism, which is DISTINCT from Capitalism. Second, I didn’t say the problem was global CAPITALISM. What I said was that a few AMERICAN LASSRZ-FAIRE Capitalists BROKE Capitalism, just like a small minority of LAISSEZ-FAIRE Capitalists today have EXTRACTED over $50 TRILLION in untaxed assets and hid them in offshore accounts, REFUSING to contribute to the commons which benefits THEM more than millions of citizens combined. Elevated feeling of injustice? Millions of people STARVED TO DEATH as a result of the 1929 market crash. They had good God Damn reason to revolt against what they perceived as AMERICAN Capitalism, which was FALSE then and it’s FALSE now. Capitalism is NOT an economic system that has no tax system. There’s not even an attempted “Libertarian Paradise” you can point to that hasn’t had taxation - LOW TAXATION being a major contributor to the FAILURE of those attempts. Nor is a Social Safety.Net antithetical to a Capitalist system. In a highly competitive economic environment where the VAST MAJORITY of workers, work FOR a business owner, workers MUST be protected from the decisions their employers make which they have no control over, but affect their ability to FEED THEIR CHILDREN. Not sure where YOU were raised, but THESE are the values I was raised with: “GUARD AGAINST THE IMPOSTURE OF PRETENDED PATRIOTISM.” GEORGE WASHINGTON “As mankind becomes more liberal, they will be more apt to allow that all those who conduct themselves as worthy members of the community are equally entitled to the protection of civil government. I hope ever to see America among the foremost nations of justice and liberality." George Washington “Of all the animosities which have existed among mankind, those which are caused by a difference of sentiments in religion appear to be the most inveterate and distressing, and ought to be deprecated. I was in hopes that the enlightened and liberal policy, which has marked the present age, would at least have reconciled Christians of every denomination so far that we should never again see the religious disputes carried to such a pitch as to endanger the peace of society.” George Washington - letter to Edward Newenham, October 20, 1792 “If there is any fixed star in our constitutional constellation, it is that no official, high or petty, can prescribe what shall be orthodox in politics, nationalism, religion, or other matters of opinion or force citizens to confess by word or act their faith therein. If there are any circumstances which permit an exception, they do not now occur to us.” Justice Robert H. Jackson, 1940 Supreme Court Justice and Chief US Prosecutor at Nuremberg Minersville School District v. Gobitis SOCIAL SAFETY NET: “Another means of silently lessening the inequality of property is to exempt all from taxation below a certain point, and to tax the higher portions of property in geometrical progression as they rise. Whenever there is in any country, uncultivated lands and unemployed poor, it is clear that the laws of property have been so far extended as to violate natural right. The earth is given as a common stock for man to labour and live on. If, for the encouragement of industry we allow it to be appropriated, we must take care that other employment be furnished to those excluded from the appropriation. If we do not the fundamental right to labour the earth returns to the unemployed.” Thomas Jefferson “Let your heart feel for the afflictions and distress of everyone, and so let your hand give in proportion to your purse.” -George Washington “To provide employment for the poor, and support for the indigent, is among the primary, and, at the same time, not least difficult cares of the public authority.” James Madison, in James Madison (1867). “1816-1828”, p.162 “He who never was hungered may argue finely on the subjection of his appetite, and he who was never distressed may harangue as beautifully on the power of principle. But poverty, like grief, has an incurable deafness which never hears. The oration loses all its edge, and ‘To be or not to be’ becomes the only question.” - Thomas Paine “I consider our relations with others as constituting the boundaries of morality... Nature [has] implanted in our breasts a love of others, a sense of duty to them, a moral instinct, in short, which prompts us irresistibly to feel and to succor their distresses... The Creator would indeed have been a bungling artist had he intended man for a social animal without planting in him social dispositions. It is true they are not planted in every man, because there is no rule without exceptions; but it is false reasoning which converts exceptions into the general rule." --Thomas Jefferson to T. Law, 1814. * It is a duty certainly to give our sparings to those who want; but to see also that they are faithfully distributed and duly apportioned to the respective wants of those receivers." --Thomas Jefferson to Megear, 1823. * "The only orthodox object of the institution of government is to secure the greatest degree of happiness possible to the general mass of those associated under it." --Thomas Jefferson to M. van der Kemp, 1812. IMMIGRATION: "I had always hoped that this land might become a safe and agreeable asylum to the virtuous and persecuted part of mankind, to whatever nation they might belong." -George Washington “The bosom of America is open to receive not only the Opulent and respectable Stranger, but the oppressed and persecuted of all Nations And Religions; whom we shall welcome to a participation of all our rights and previleges." -George Washington Neither the general government of the union, nor those of the individual states, are ignorant or unobservant of the additional strength and wealth, which accrues to the nation, by the accession of a mass of healthy, industrious, and frugal laborers, nor are they in any manner insensible to the great benefits which this country has derived, and continues to derive, from the influx of such adoptive children from Germany. John Adams to James Monroe, 1819 “America was indebted to immigration for her settlement and prosperity. That part of America which had encouraged them most had advanced most rapidly in population, agriculture and the arts.” - James Madison "America is now, I think, the only country of tranquility and should be the asylum of all those who wish to avoid the scenes which have crushed our friends in [other lands]." --Thomas Jefferson to Mrs. Church, 1793. FE 6:289 "It [has] been the wise policy of these states to extend the protection of their laws to all those who should settle among them of whatever nation or religion they might be and to admit them to a participation of the benefits of civil and religious freedom, and... the benevolence of this practice as well as its salutary effects [has] rendered it worthy of being continued in future times." --Thomas Jefferson: Proclamation, 1781. Papers 4:505 The Obligation to Provide Asylum: "Shall we refuse the unhappy fugitives from distress that hospitality which the savages of the wilderness extended to our fathers arriving in this land? Shall oppressed humanity find no asylum on this globe? The Constitution, indeed, has wisely provided that for admission to certain offices of important trust a residence shall be required sufficient to develop character and design. But might not the general character and capabilities of a citizen be safely communicated to every one manifesting a bona fide purpose of embarking his life and fortunes permanently with us?" --Thomas Jefferson: 1st Annual Message, 1801. ME 3:338
1:06- "I'm not scared about Islam". Peter may be smart but he is very American with a big blind spot.. Come to Europe (Germany, France, Britain) and try to say this. He is quite wrong in the European context. The Middle East is once again erupting because of Islam.
I don't think its true that people don't move (therefore making SF more expensive) because they think elsewhere is too conservative. This is for a few reasons: * Most people aren't oppressed, or don't believe they would be oppressed in a red state (median person is cishet, isn't affected by abortion legislation) * Cities in red states are blue because cities are liberal places * There are lots of cities around that are affordable, but people don't move there from SF. Big cities like Chicago, Philidelphia or Boston are cheaper than SF/NY. Not to mention smaller cities in blue states (e.g Burlington, Alburquerque). I think what's actually true is what Henry George would think, which is that land has a vertical supply, so landlords are constantly maximising the rent they can capture without people just moving away. Rent in San Francisco simply reflects the opportunities (mainly economic, some cultural) minus drawbacks (crime, safety). Housing/land markets are simply proxies for how good a city is.
I studied in Texas, moved to the valley. It’s 10 times cheaper to live in Texas and I could afford a mansion there….I won’t move there despite most of my friends being there. It’s mostly because it’s conservative and the people incharge are more concerned about ppl having sex in their bedrooms than crazy ppl running with guns and hair triggers. I left the CA for a conference and got assaulted by a “police” officer. If you ain’t live in black skin stfu.
Exactly. To insinuate that people go live in big cities because they are LGBTQ and that leads to high rents is laughable. How do you think that are able to afford such high rents? Because they make more money in the cities. Ironically this sounds like a woke view. People live in cities for the open culture which in turn induces innovation. Specifically for SF the rents are high because of the local housing laws that doesn't allow building more houses.
He was using that as an extreme example of the polarized economic propaganda that property owners used to keep non-traditional individuals from leaving the over-priced-but-awful conditions of major urban areas (like NY or SF).
@@MrHypermoto SF is way more easy to explain by its weather, access to culture, and access to varied nature activities, while still having high earning jobs, than any "polarized economic propaganda".
Can someone rephrase parth three. What I get is some kind of "diversionary maneuver" which keeps people focused on diversity issues, instead of the real problem (rising real estate prices). What is the concrete relation here, who funds what, where is influence playing out. Is it George Soros style NGOs? Please elaborate, I dont understand it fully ..
I would add to that the "progress myth". But actually, it doesn't even rise to the level of myth, which always has a salient point to make. It's just a mentality... a side effect.
I was planning to go in to mechanical engineering, but my school closed down its engineering school, so I had to do CS instead. I was super sad at the time that my dream of mechanical engineering was ruined. but it turned out that CS was the correct major and mech E would have been a terrible decision. Now I have a Bentley flying spur. I am happy I got the CS degree instead of mech E. but I wish I could have know this back then, it would have saved me tons of stress!
I feel this guy had a chip in his shoulder about his time in college, and he's still trying to get back at whoever or whatever annoyed him in his college experience? And how the heck are unions a corporate construct? He doesn't realize that unionized employees also have an interest in the company's success? A closer relationship between unions and management is needed, not an outright dismissal of the utility of unions in a company's success and social responsibility. Thiel seems more like a brainwashed, vengeful, propagndist, hearing his choice of topis in thsi interview.
Delving deeply into evolutionary biology is hard. Evolution in practice gets exponentially more complex at each new level of complexity, and each new level is founded upon and sustained by new levels of cooperation, and maintaining cooperation requires expanding ecosystems of cheat detection and mitigation systems (for me most of religious thought is some sort of early approximation to the complexity and ethical conditions required, that was a reasonable approximation in the time before the depths of evolutionary theory and practice became available). So the overly simplistic notion that many have of evolution (that it is all about competition), is not simple wrong, it is almost the inverse of what actually happens. It is beyond any remaining shadow of reasonable doubt that the evolution of complexity is, to a good first order approximation, founded upon cooperation and sustained by continued cooperation, which is sustained at every level by evolving ecosystems of cheat detection and mitigation systems, which at higher levels include ethics and morality. Evolution necessarily biases us to prefer simple certainty over complex uncertainty. The idea of hard knowing, as in 100% certainty, is dead. But the idea of reasonable confidence in context, is very much alive and well. And having such a "contextually useful approximation" approach to knowledge demands of us that if we are faced with reliable evidence that contradicts some cherished notion, that we are prepared to re-evaluate it. Yet on a day to day basis, we act based upon those things we are confident about. The classical notion of "Truth" prevents such advancement, because if you have "Truth", why would you consider anything that contradicts it as possibly reliable - it would be unreliable by definition. With such a probabilistic approach, we get to act with confidence, and with respect, and we get to update our ideas as evidence becomes available. So our current economic system, which is founded upon the supremacy of competition, is actually antithetical to the long term survival of complexity. It must self destruct, unless it is reformed to be fundamentally cooperative, beneath the competitive layer. Universal income would be such a cooperative foundation. The economic system also needs to be able to work within planetary boundaries. Creating money with an embedded growth obligation (interest) is not compatible with planetary boundaries. I am all for freedom, for me it is part of the very definition of life, as systems capable of searching the space of possible systems for the survivable. The idea of search is by definition going beyond the known, into the unknown, and the unknown unknown, in search of solutions to known problems. But the "survivable" aspect of that definition also demands that every level of freedom is accompanied by appropriate levels of responsibility, to avoid those vectors in the highly dimensional vector-space of existence, which lead to non-existence. And of course there is a competitive aspect to sorting between "solutions" to find the best "fit" to any particular context, and often such things are highly context specific, and do not generalise well. And there is always a need for a cooperative base, that respects any diversity that is not an actual and unreasonable threat, at all levels (individually and collectively). Nothing even remotely simple in that. The other major issue with our current economic system, is that economic efficiency produces systemic fragility. Robustness demands reasonable degrees of redundancy and diversity. Diversity, in this sense, is an embodiment of search, in a very real sense. Individual agents need reasonable degrees of freedom, and they also need to have responsibility. Systems need to promote freedom, and prevent cheating - all levels. This is complex - seriously complex.
Largely net positive but obviously can cause negative disruptions when it displaces low skilled workers or blue collar labor. If it were organized with easily obtained work permits for farm workers for instance, we wouldn't have near as many problems. We need them as much as they need us. Certain levels of protectionism are necessary of course. We have no broad comprehensive immigration policy in this country and it is disgraceful.
@@panama_juan I think he mentioned immigration as an unconstrained Girardian rivalry which can lead to excessive income equality and reduced competition between nations.
Exactly why I mentioned why a comprehensive immigration reform is necessary, which hasn't happened in the last 20+ years. Farm workers need legality and labor protection if they're to work in the jobs that most Americans would never work in. Give them a work permit and some worker protections and these type of problems would never be an issue. They come and work for a given amount of time, they pay taxes/social security, which they get when their done working, and all of this nonsense is solved.
@@constantine495 Well as we've seen with some white collar jobs like IT it can also drive down wages for them as well. Like when we bring IT specialists from developing countries who will accept lower wages and worse working conditions. The negative effects from uncontrolled immigration are definitely not exclusive to blue collar manual labor jobs.
Incredibly vibrant work; reminiscent of a book that was vibrant and full of life. "Rising From Within: Unlocking Your Innate Power to Conquer Adversity" by Vincent Starling
30:00 if you’ve ever read Mark Fisher’s capitalist realism he talks about this phenomenon of Capitalism co-opting all social justice movements. DEI is just a way to stimulate the economy and drive down wages. Pure capitalism.
I always love hearing from Thiel but I don't think any interview has ever gotten to the core of who he is, including this one. It's still all surface level stuff. I need to know what Thiel, if he was made emperor/dictator would do/demand of society. I want to know what his no-holds-barred vision is. I hope one day he just unleashes. Give it to us raw.
@@AI_effect We never experience objective reality. Everything is filtered through ego. Religions are operating systems.
@@AI_effectobjective facts are at the mercy of the narrative they're spun into. Looking at religion provides a framework for how these facts are spun into narrative. He did train as a lawyer after all
He thinks giving women the right to vote was a mistake.
he is a fake guru. like tai lopez. spoke about twitter not doing anything for the world, yet runs a shady body shop using chart js in the form of palantir.
I would also like that but it is probably too dangerous for him to really say what he believes. The media has attacked him pretty hard over the past few years for getting involved in politics. Most of the oligarchs and influential people are bloodthirsty progressives who could really come after him, so he has to be careful.
I did Electrical and Electronic engineering in the early 2000s and was an engineer for many years. The problem with EEE is that in order to make advancements you have to comply with ALOT of pre-existing standards, inevitably you end up becoming an engineer who makes small changes to some existing tech within a big corporation. I ended up giving it up and started my own software company and I find it much for fulfilling, I am able to be creative and more impactful changes at a faster rate.
What does your software do?
To eaches own.
I saw the beginnings of this insanity in the 90s in college. Sex, Gender, Race Studies majors began to grow.
Backlash to neoliberalism
The inclusion of race studies is a result of the 1965 Hart-Celler Immigration Act that began to flood this country with non white people, thus displacing the white population who will soon be on just another minority. You can thank the Republicans for this by pushing for equality which goes hand in hand with diversity.
Why are you a racist?
@@skp8748product of neoliberalism
How did I miss Founders Funds TH-cam Channel 🤯 Of course Thiel should be here.🎉
As a bona fide senior citizen, I can remember the TV show "Walt Disney Presents" and the "Tomorrowland" segment. It was so full of optimism for our future. I look at the first two decades of the 21st century and I realize that Walt had it all wrong. Socially, we are regressing at an astounding rate and the pace of the decline is increasing. Walt, what happened?
Marxism.
Why do you think Walt was an embittered alcoholic?
@@drmodestoesq Hmm, is that just another Wikipedia WOKE hit job on someone? Certainly, his vision has been ruined by the WOKE religion, but he didn’t live ling enough to watch it happen.
don't ask Walt, his answer will get you booted off youtube 😂
What HAPPENED IS the Religious Right became more and more agitated as Y2K approached and began preaching about THE SECOND COMING OF CHRIST, The RAPTURE, and other APOCALYPTIC tales so as to replace our hopes for a brighter future with fears about being "left behind" and prophecies about the end times. It's one reason we have the surge in Christian Nationalism today. We tossed out science for superstition and silliness.
While Pete’s book was indeed foretelling, at this point he could no doubt benefit from catching up with James Lindsay…particularly his work on Gramsci, Marcuse and The Frankfurt School.
J-O-Os?
I would add the thinking of Augusto Del Noce (you can find in YT lectures about him from Carlo Lancellotti) ..
@@Hollow_Cause_Dont_Matterno, that's not what Lindsay talks about at all
Catch up?
Peter’s brilliance shines through once again. This interview is a gift to thinkers everywhere. Much gratitude, Founders Fund!
Peter Thiel is a modern day Nazi Darwinist. Completely out of touch with reality because he lives among the elite that don't give af about you or I. Honestly they prefer we die off so they can replace us with machines. Do not idolize these people.
Peter Thiel is the rights' version of George Soros...Except Soros is a much better human being.
@@rotfogel I just get this feeling listening to him speak that if this were 1940s Germany, he would be a top ranking Nazi or a SS concentration camp prison guard. 😂
Thought provoking and relevant interview. Thank you.
5:27 - diversity should mean more than looks
8:00 - thesis of The DM
10:12 - 4 DEI distractions
13:14 - history of political correctness
27:31 - sending kids to elite colleges
28:56 - Starbucks union wants to put lgbtq banners up (Walmart)
31:51 - Georgist economic analysis
34:42 - how to grow an economy
36:33 - politics at work
I felt like my CS degree wasn't prestigious enough among my friends, they all considered engineering to be the hardest and top degree. But I think it may have been because where I grew up had only defense contractors and biomedical engineering. I guess peter thought the same thing in the 1990s, CS was seen as this non-rigorous backwater of a major. But now the CS department is the crown jewel of the college
I am generally a fan of Peter over many years, listened to dozens of his interviews and had the pleasure of meeting him 2 times.
What has started to disappoint me over the years is the complete lack of interviewers who:
1) ask hard questions
2) in good faith
It seems that your typical Thiel interview is some fan boy or employee of his, just gently nudging him towards a list of conversation topics.
I feel this does not do justice to either Peter or public dialogue over hard topics.
He goes over the same topics constantly which can get annoying. It would be nice if an interviewer listened to his previous interviews and asked different questions and challenged him a little more, he's the most interesting of our oligarchs by far so it's fascinating to hear what he has to say.
It looks like Peter only takes interviews with people in awe of him, willing to ask a few question's he's selected.
It also means we don't see him being asked about anything new or interesting, just the things he's 100% prepared to talk about.
Well, he’s dragging in the young folks…
Great talk
I mean, this is incredible. Incredible questions. Incredible answers. Practical philosophy. Deeply inspiring. Thank you both for this incredible interview. Game changer.
@@Jamey_ETHZurich_TUe_RulezHow is it a psychosis?
30 years ahead of its time. True contrarian, independent thinker. Brilliance
Brilliant guy here. Been following him for many years now. Chess champions seem to see into the future
Technical question -- where are the mics? Sound is excellent yet the mics are invisible.
Peter- people like you, myself and many others have a mind geared toward focus on problems (that we wish to seek solutions for). Some things just don’t deserve our attention- let’s stay solution-oriented.
Your old roughneckin taxi driver in Aspen/friend
-Eric
Peter I am begging you please do more interviews I will pay $$
Will you pay him hundreds of millions of dollars? Pete's net worth is around 6 billion these days. Good luck paying him any amount of money he would notice.
Thank you for this conversation! 👍 Very educational
Peter Thiel: A voice of reason during an age of voices of absurdity. Let's just hope someone in positions of influence are listening to him and not just relegating his thoughts to a non nuanced political point of view.
Peter Theil is a very smart malignant narcissist and libertarian sociopath. His agenda is to prop up government policy that undermines the working class. His catalyst to do this is by blaming immigrants, the poor, black people, diversity etc. His funding of Trump was a culture ware on the poor including most of Trumps own white working class support base
Absolutely not. We've always had absurd shit. Peter, as much as I like the guy, is not the voice of sanity.
@@slouischarlesYT and THIS comment is why we need sober dialogue. Can people be this tone-deaf?
@@PaddySlattery is that a dig at me? Why am I tone deaf? Because I don't think Peter Thiel is the voice of reason we need in our lives?
Excellent interview! Fantastic questions. Thiel is clearly an intellectual giant. The interviewer did a fantastic job to help open his thought processes to the rest of us. Outstanding!
31:00 what's the story about Walmart turning into a green company in response to strikes? Is there any evidence?
22:03 its obvious: it transmits knowledge. When it works, it transmits useful knowledge. When its not working it doesnt. The odd time, people working together will create new and important knowledge at universities.
Peter Thiel makes you think about things that were hiding in plain sight.
thiel is a right wing apartheid south "african" donor to the trumpet coup fash types beloved of the KKK. Look in the mirror and put your thinking cap on🤣🤯
@@AI_effect Right? This is an awful change to the algorithm.
*Zenefits CEO David Sacks apologizes for parts of a 1996 book he co-wrote with Peter Thiel that called date rape ‘belated regret’ and took very sharp position to racism and diversity. Sacks apologized for the book and Peter Theil refused to apologize.*
😍👑 Babe wake up!!! New Peter Thiel Interview dropped.
They are all the same though
Typical cringe comment
A great talk, nice to see Peter comfortable speaking with Mike to express his ideas clearly.
A lot of good points, but saying that "Computer Science" is not a science since you can work without PhD is missing the point.
i) CS is super sharing science, all results and resources are available using the infrastructure build on top of the CS
ii) Mark Zuckemerg are drop outs, and are not scientist, they just business people. Even Brin and Page are not... even though they have one algorithm developed.
iii) all those companies are using for FREE algorithms and theory developed from academics 20-30y ago. ML and Larger Language Models exists 20/30y+ old (or even more). I dont know in Chemistry and Pharmacy if there is such sharing culture.
Technological advances travel through the internet to capture an audience. It’s subject to the same trend-based timeframe as as an instagram influencer’s latest costumed reincarnation. The biggest economic driver today appears the re-tossing of word salad, or adding a new word ingredient, to dress a kale as a carrot…So it isn’t that emperor isn’t wearing clothes, it’s that his wardrobe is astonishingly large.
"Ideas have consequences". Or as Ayn Rand put it, to paraphrase here, the philosophy of a small number of intellectuals can eventually drive an entire nation.
Why is there a cut at 9:43? 🧐
Peter Thiel is someone who can get this world to make sense. Him and Gilder are guys who need a much bigger audience. Great interview Mike. A complete eye opener and makes me thirst to hear him speak on anything. I hope Palantir can rival the mess Gates has made for us. I hope he realizes how important he really is.
I am sure it came up during his work with the CIA.
With China, it is not about semiconductor policy. It's about strategic metals. China controls about 80% of all of the critical strategic metal refining capability, particularly what are known as "rare earth" metals. If they exercise their massive power and advantage, our policy on semiconductors and related electronics becomes meaningless. This is fact. And it happened while our government sat back and watched and while our industrial sector facilitated it. Peter knows this.
Semiconductors, ya dig? Forget those "rare earth" minerals - they're like flip phones to the iPhone that's semiconductors.
@@slumdogemillionaire6648 Hmm, you need to do some reading.
reading what ? 4chan??@@roberthumphreys7977
Most underrated channel on TH-cam. Would love to see the cadence of video drops increase!
Just subscribed.
Can we get one of these with delian?
Enjoyed this thought-provoking conversation. Grateful he (still) has the courage to speak his mind on key controversial issues - if only to spark honest debate and further study. Too many brilliant people being silenced by "woke" bots and cancel culture and that may prove tragic for all of us.
How old is the multiverse argument? Did it predate the increasingly compelling evidence of fine tuning?
Almost can't focus with the white B&W 801s and McIntosh setup, and Turrell projection. Lovely space.
Beautiful improvement as a speaker, Peter! Lots to learn from your growth here :)
Double that.😌👏
15:55 slacking progress
16:44 Comp sci not being a science
18:00 going wrong in science
20:30 computer science as an outlier
Thank you Mike and Peter for sharing your amazing brains~
Woke ideology is definitely not worse than Christianity. I'm no fan of wokeness, and it definitely needs to be toned down, but monotheistic religion is authoritarian, sexist, and homophobic (among many other terrible things). Monotheism may have some redeeming features, but on the whole it is a net negative. Further, the positive attributes of Christianity are not unique to the religion and can be attained elsewhere. The follies of wokeness do not warrant the preservation of dogmatic Christianity.
The greatest delusion about diversity is that it is created by blending. No, diversity was created by centuries of relative separation. What we are doing when we're blending is we are harvesting its fruits while racing towards monotony. There is only so much diversity left before we have global monoculture. If we cherish diversity, we need to not only reap its fruits, but also seed and cultivate it, which means to maintain a healthy degree of separation. Not everything has to be connected.
Not just “The Diversity Myth” AND the college comedy “P.C.U.” predicts the future. A an arch and racaus and ribald documentary “How PCU Predicted the Future” to prove the point was posted on TH-cam some 8 years ago. But it was censored and removed from here last year or so
I have tremendous respect for Peter Thiel, and agree with him on his stance on identity politics. However, his claim about 30 mins in that landlords in urban cities are the beneficiaries of this and somehow contribute to this reeks of ignorance. He clearly doesn't have any rentals he manages. Landlords get the short end of the stick here, often paying $20k+ for evictions in these cities, and jump through hoops to please these very same anti-discrimination agencies. The reason rents are so expensive in these cities isn't because of landlords, but because of asinine policies preventing new construction that would drive cost down. Your rent may seem excessive, but have you looked at the mortgage in these very same cities. Home prices always outpace rents, and rental margins are paper-thin in large cities. If you want to blame someone, blame the politicians who created these cesspools under the guise of "protecting the little guy".
Ya benefits is the tax man and the guy selling oil . 😂
It’s also possible that when Theil talks about “landlords” that it’s more along the lines of the people have owned properties for a long time (generational or big cooperations) and not people just trying to make a small business in it “a la slumlord” style or something because he’s use to the high end stuff.
I mean, the whole rental thing especially in big cities is a complicated topic because they’re a lot of dynamics at play with it (kicking out honest people for heavy investors to own everything for one example) and isn’t always as simple as the thing in the movie of some broke person knocking on the door telling someone to pay their rent (that is DEFINITELY one aspect of it, so I’m not trying to act like they don’t exist and don’t have an important story to tell).
If you look up who owns property around large universities you might have a different view.
“I’ve been waiting for you...”
Near the end of this talk, the “have we reached the limit of both science and religion questions/answers, I have always asked: “Will it not be that (ultimately) science brings us to God.” IOW’s, one day we reach “it” and then God opens the door we knocked on and He says “I’ve been waiting for you?”
The limit doesn't exist. The need to limit is the problem.
How does one try to get founder's funded?
28:30 This is incredible to hear. I studied at an elite college and can confirm what he's saying. Everybody's got to lie about how much they love X and everyone gets burned out. Most people are depressed at those places.
Why is founders fund using AdSense? Hurting for cash?
You CANT be this dumb
46:37
The video skips. Peter says: "the woke religion will be stronger than the bap... religion.
What did he say there that was poorly edited out? Did he say Baptist?
The subtle not-so-subtle James Turrell artwork flex 🔥
Great interview. Please do more.
We avoid madness by intuitively and automatically assuming a "self", even though we cannot define it scientifically or otherwise. To deprive the universe of its own "self" leads many to madness. Not all, but many.
When did that become the Founders Fund logo?
Some of Peter Thiel's are viewpoints quite intriguing. It appears that he identifies as a Christian Nationalist and holds significant influence in various spheres. While I respect his right to have his own beliefs, I find myself concerned with his tendency to blame 'the woke' for many of the world's problems. I would love to understand more about his perspective and how he reconciles these views with the complex realities of our time.
Observing someone in his position regurgitating terminology from right wing extremist propagnda leads me to believe he either is biased and brainwashed or he is consciously perpetrating his fake biases for his so called "conservative" co-conspirators
@@SleepyOx2023 "conservative" is as meaningless as "woke". The "conservatives" are good at manipulating the zeitgeist and act as if they are powerless. Somehow billionaires are being silenced because reach is being stifled to something similar to a mere millionaire.
Left Wing Extremism is a much bigger issue.
@Caligula138 , left wing extremism is a non issue, more people have died since 911 from right wing extremism, while there is lmpst none from the left, you've been taken in by propaganda.
@MegaClockworkDoc , "conservative" is never intended a condescending word, while "Woke" is manufactured/misappropriated by information terrorists to be condescending, something that electrifies extremists into a frenzy. Billionaires are not being silenced, they are stupidly allowed to buy entire news conglomerates and social media unicorns as megaphones to manipulate the zeitgeist in their favor. The emergence of 2016 political campaigns exposed how they used politics to whitewash and normalize bad conduct, and it shows how Thiel is so brainwashed by his chip in the shoulder that he supported a traitor and it's party against all that is good.
So, was it a warning book or a cook book?
Wokness is a feature of large corporations, if you can't see it then you would best be served by interrogating any ideas you have surrounding and including the notion of a public/private distinction.
It's a form of fascism. It demands adherence to the group ideology. I think the best way to describe it would be "left-wing fascism." It breeds in a corporate setting because corporate life, despite purporting to exalt individualism, really does the opposite. True individualism is only accepted at the top of the food chain. Moreover, woke is thriving currently as our culture has become obsessed with everything superficial, when we desperately need conversations of deep meaning. Even worse, anything of true depth and nuance is intentionally ignored by authorities and the media.
What is Wokeness?
I don't share all of Thiel's conclusions here, but I respect how he gets to most of them.
Re: China, Ray Dalio might really have a very, very different perspective than does Peter.
Nice discussion between Peter Theil and Ryan Reynolds
😂
For more information on woke ideology and DEI, James Lindsay and New Discourses has the most information by far.
It's all smokescreen for neoliberalism
Brilliance delivered with a stunning monotonous that forces the listener to parse the ideas. Steal his ideas and logic but not the speaking style.
19:40 Funny he uses the word elongated after mentioning bill gates and mark zuckerberg
58:38 they have ji ji pong thought 💭 I’ll take wholeness over that anyway… I have so many questions but as a person who invested heavily in mandarin immersion and grew up studying Japanese Buddhism I’m
Confused
My dad was a corporate executive and HATED compliance with “EEOC standards.” Meritocracy supersedes all else to any rational person- painstakingly obvious notions are a waste of thought & breath
Peter is missing that AI is just many low energy investment parallel processors steaming from GPU/DPU. That those supercomputers are now used for trivial tasks and respective modeling tasks is nothing the supercomputer world did not forsee 25+ years ago. The world use to have a list of 1000 fastest supercomputers. What was that list 10 years ago is now fits in 9 square feet in a 9 foot rack and consumes 3kWatts. Now the world is a on headlong rush to make more chip foundries. This decade we are awash in $3 processors, ten years from now we will be awash in $30,000 supercomputers, about 1/10,000 of 20 years before.
moore's law is dead, this progression is not infinite. it's limited by the physical reality that transistors take space
Yup.
science fiction tells the tail of expectations even if it can't help us measure actual innovation/ scientific advancement.
He rarely ever SAYS ANYTHING. He frames questions interestingly. But it’s very frustrating that he never gets to the point.
He uses a lot of easily understandable analogies that don’t rly break the surface of it
He's a biased self propagandist and doesn't relize it. Maybe someone during his culture war fights exposed his stupidity and he's held a grudge ever since
Peter Thiel is always great. Lock the podcast. But please upload a version without those heavy cuts. They are in congruent.
absolutely hilarious that Thiel has probably read Bronze Age Mindset & likely has listened to Caribbean Rhythms.
He just assumes everyone knows who BAP is. The interviewer didnt blink or ask a follow up eother. I would have asked Peter a few more questions about bronze age mindset.
@@TimeIsNot sue to the interviewer laughing briefly in response to thiel mentioning his name makes me think he may actually know.
I heard in another talk that he likes this BAP character as an exercise, but acknowledges that it is ultimately self-destructive.
His comments are a little weird becaue BAP is not self destructive or violent. Quite the opposite. Vitalism is life affirming- celebrating strength, health, youth, and beauty. It doesnt make excuses or sympathize with the invalid, the deformed, the weak, the broken, --mere life but that's where the argument is.
STEP 1) American Oligarchs crash the economy (examples: 1873 Panic; 1929 Crash)
Step 2) Said crashes create WORLD WIDE POVERTY
3) AMERICAN style (LAISSEZ-FAIRE) Capitalism is RIGHTFULLY blamed, giving rise to socialist and communist movements in many locations around the world all at once, including in America.
4) These movements grow because the AMERICANS and other first world nations resort to NATIONALISTIC movements and start imposing tariffs which DEEPEN and EXTEND the depression by slowing the flow of goods, vilifying foreigners and ULTIMATELY resulting in WORLD WAR ONE and WORLD WAR TWO.
BTW: before it was called trickle down, voodoo and supply side economics, it was called HORSE AND SPARROW ECONOMICS because, of course, the better you feed the horses, the better the sparrows eat off the street behind them. If you’ve ever heard a description of what those mud roads were like, you can get a flavor of how our ANCESTORS felt about the trickle down idea.
Between the Panic of 1873 and WWI:
“There are two ideas of government. There are those who believe that if you just legislate to make the well-to-do prosperous, that their prosperity will leak through on those below. The Democratic idea has been that if you legislate to make the masses prosperous their prosperity will find its way up and through every class that rests upon it.”
- William Jennings Bryan, “Cross of Gold” speech at the 1896 Democratic National Convention in Chicago
Between the 1929 Crash and WWII:
“They (Republicans) didn’t start thinking of the old common fellow till just as they started out on the election tour. The money was all appropriated for the top in the hopes that it would trickle down to the needy. Mr. Hoover was an engineer. He knew that water trickled down. Put it uphill and let it go and it will reach the dryest little spot. But he didn’t know that money trickled up. Give it to the people at the bottom and the people at the top will have it before night anyhow. But it will at least have passed through the poor fellow’s hands. They saved the big banks but the little ones went up the flue”
Will Rogers
so until point 4) - including itself - is your message that these movements are not necessarily imported by foreign actors, but actually normal reactions in response to the worst side of capitalism being present at certain times in history that tend to elevate the feeling of total injustice, etc? ... so my reading of you to that point is that these non-capitalist movements are competing in a darwinistic "free market" style, no? If that's somewhat accurate, can you elaborate on the last 2 paragraphs and their connection with the first 4 points?
@@iFastee ABSOLUTELY NOT. How on earth did you get THAT from what I said? First, I said it was LAISSEZ-FAIRE Capitalism, which is DISTINCT from Capitalism. Second, I didn’t say the problem was global CAPITALISM. What I said was that a few AMERICAN LASSRZ-FAIRE Capitalists BROKE Capitalism, just like a small minority of LAISSEZ-FAIRE Capitalists today have EXTRACTED over $50 TRILLION in untaxed assets and hid them in offshore accounts, REFUSING to contribute to the commons which benefits THEM more than millions of citizens combined. Elevated feeling of injustice? Millions of people STARVED TO DEATH as a result of the 1929 market crash. They had good God Damn reason to revolt against what they perceived as AMERICAN Capitalism, which was FALSE then and it’s FALSE now. Capitalism is NOT an economic system that has no tax system. There’s not even an attempted “Libertarian Paradise” you can point to that hasn’t had taxation - LOW TAXATION being a major contributor to the FAILURE of those attempts. Nor is a Social Safety.Net antithetical to a Capitalist system. In a highly competitive economic environment where the VAST MAJORITY of workers, work FOR a business owner, workers MUST be protected from the decisions their employers make which they have no control over, but affect their ability to FEED THEIR CHILDREN. Not sure where YOU were raised, but THESE are the values I was raised with:
“GUARD AGAINST THE IMPOSTURE OF PRETENDED PATRIOTISM.”
GEORGE WASHINGTON
“As mankind becomes more liberal, they will be more apt to allow that all those who conduct themselves as worthy members of the community are equally entitled to the protection of civil government. I hope ever to see America among the foremost nations of justice and liberality."
George Washington
“Of all the animosities which have existed among mankind, those which are caused by a difference of sentiments in religion appear to be the most inveterate and distressing, and ought to be deprecated. I was in hopes that the enlightened and liberal policy, which has marked the present age, would at least have reconciled Christians of every denomination so far that we should never again see the religious disputes carried to such a pitch as to endanger the peace of society.”
George Washington - letter to Edward Newenham, October 20, 1792
“If there is any fixed star in our constitutional constellation, it is that no official, high or petty, can prescribe what shall be orthodox in politics, nationalism, religion, or other matters of opinion or force citizens to confess by word or act their faith therein. If there are any circumstances which permit an exception, they do not now occur to us.”
Justice Robert H. Jackson, 1940
Supreme Court Justice and
Chief US Prosecutor at Nuremberg
Minersville School District v. Gobitis
SOCIAL SAFETY NET:
“Another means of silently lessening the inequality of property is to exempt all from taxation below a certain point, and to tax the higher portions of property in geometrical progression as they rise. Whenever there is in any country, uncultivated lands and unemployed poor, it is clear that the laws of property have been so far extended as to violate natural right. The earth is given as a common stock for man to labour and live on. If, for the encouragement of industry we allow it to be appropriated, we must take care that other employment be furnished to those excluded from the appropriation. If we do not the fundamental right to labour the earth returns to the unemployed.”
Thomas Jefferson
“Let your heart feel for the afflictions and distress of everyone, and so let your hand give in proportion to your purse.” -George Washington
“To provide employment for the poor, and support for the indigent, is among the primary, and, at the same time, not least difficult cares of the public authority.”
James Madison, in
James Madison (1867). “1816-1828”, p.162
“He who never was hungered may argue finely on the subjection of his appetite, and he who was never distressed may harangue as beautifully on the power of principle. But poverty, like grief, has an incurable deafness which never hears. The oration loses all its edge, and ‘To be or not to be’ becomes the only question.”
- Thomas Paine
“I consider our relations with others as constituting the boundaries of morality... Nature [has] implanted in our breasts a love of others, a sense of duty to them, a moral instinct, in short, which prompts us irresistibly to feel and to succor their distresses... The Creator would indeed have been a bungling artist had he intended man for a social animal without planting in him social dispositions. It is true they are not planted in every man, because there is no rule without exceptions; but it is false reasoning which converts exceptions into the general rule." --Thomas Jefferson to T. Law, 1814.
* It is a duty certainly to give our sparings to those who want; but to see also that they are faithfully distributed and duly apportioned to the respective wants of those receivers." --Thomas Jefferson to Megear, 1823.
* "The only orthodox object of the institution of government is to secure the greatest degree of happiness possible to the general mass of those associated under it." --Thomas Jefferson to M. van der Kemp, 1812.
IMMIGRATION:
"I had always hoped that this land might become a safe and agreeable asylum to the virtuous and persecuted part of mankind, to whatever nation they might belong."
-George Washington
“The bosom of America is open to receive not only the Opulent and respectable Stranger, but the oppressed and persecuted of all Nations And Religions; whom we shall welcome to a participation of all our rights and previleges."
-George Washington
Neither the general government of the union, nor those of the individual states, are ignorant or unobservant of the additional strength and wealth, which accrues to the nation, by the accession of a mass of healthy, industrious, and frugal laborers, nor are they in any manner insensible to the great benefits which this country has derived, and continues to derive, from the influx of such adoptive children from Germany.
John Adams to James Monroe, 1819
“America was indebted to immigration for her settlement and prosperity. That part of America which had encouraged them most had advanced most rapidly in population, agriculture and the arts.”
- James Madison
"America is now, I think, the only country of tranquility and should be the asylum of all those who wish to avoid the scenes which have crushed our friends in [other lands]."
--Thomas Jefferson to Mrs. Church, 1793. FE 6:289
"It [has] been the wise policy of these states to extend the protection of their laws to all those who should settle among them of whatever nation or religion they might be and to admit them to a participation of the benefits of civil and religious freedom, and... the benevolence of this practice as well as its salutary effects [has] rendered it worthy of being continued in future times."
--Thomas Jefferson: Proclamation, 1781. Papers 4:505
The Obligation to Provide Asylum:
"Shall we refuse the unhappy fugitives from distress that hospitality which the savages of the wilderness extended to our fathers arriving in this land? Shall oppressed humanity find no asylum on this globe? The Constitution, indeed, has wisely provided that for admission to certain offices of important trust a residence shall be required sufficient to develop character and design. But might not the general character and capabilities of a citizen be safely communicated to every one manifesting a bona fide purpose of embarking his life and fortunes permanently with us?"
--Thomas Jefferson: 1st Annual Message, 1801. ME 3:338
Mind blowing. Will have my work cut out for me in terms of research from this.
I really liked the religion section, most of his other interviews hit the other sections, but his take on religion great and less often spoke of
Great get Mike!
Peter Thiel interview after a looong time :)
Peter Thiel look evil but he is the real hero and Elon Musk is the real villain.
@@3nityC They're both evil villains
Do you have this in a podcast format somewhere?
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1:06- "I'm not scared about Islam".
Peter may be smart but he is very American with a big blind spot.. Come to Europe (Germany, France, Britain) and try to say this. He is quite wrong in the European context.
The Middle East is once again erupting because of Islam.
The Red sea has closed once again for shipping and the all the wounds of past conflicts are slowly reopening, with Taiwan next.
I don't think its true that people don't move (therefore making SF more expensive) because they think elsewhere is too conservative. This is for a few reasons:
* Most people aren't oppressed, or don't believe they would be oppressed in a red state (median person is cishet, isn't affected by abortion legislation)
* Cities in red states are blue because cities are liberal places
* There are lots of cities around that are affordable, but people don't move there from SF. Big cities like Chicago, Philidelphia or Boston are cheaper than SF/NY. Not to mention smaller cities in blue states (e.g Burlington, Alburquerque).
I think what's actually true is what Henry George would think, which is that land has a vertical supply, so landlords are constantly maximising the rent they can capture without people just moving away. Rent in San Francisco simply reflects the opportunities (mainly economic, some cultural) minus drawbacks (crime, safety). Housing/land markets are simply proxies for how good a city is.
I studied in Texas, moved to the valley. It’s 10 times cheaper to live in Texas and I could afford a mansion there….I won’t move there despite most of my friends being there. It’s mostly because it’s conservative and the people incharge are more concerned about ppl having sex in their bedrooms than crazy ppl running with guns and hair triggers.
I left the CA for a conference and got assaulted by a “police” officer. If you ain’t live in black skin stfu.
Exactly. To insinuate that people go live in big cities because they are LGBTQ and that leads to high rents is laughable. How do you think that are able to afford such high rents? Because they make more money in the cities. Ironically this sounds like a woke view. People live in cities for the open culture which in turn induces innovation. Specifically for SF the rents are high because of the local housing laws that doesn't allow building more houses.
33:34 🤦🏽♀️ did he just say the at woman who wants a suburban house in Reno would be forced to carry a baby to term 😂
He was using that as an extreme example of the polarized economic propaganda that property owners used to keep non-traditional individuals from leaving the over-priced-but-awful conditions of major urban areas (like NY or SF).
@@MrHypermoto SF is way more easy to explain by its weather, access to culture, and access to varied nature activities, while still having high earning jobs, than any "polarized economic propaganda".
Can someone rephrase parth three. What I get is some kind of "diversionary maneuver" which keeps people focused on diversity issues, instead of the real problem (rising real estate prices). What is the concrete relation here, who funds what, where is influence playing out. Is it George Soros style NGOs? Please elaborate, I dont understand it fully ..
Evening Mr. Thiel
Peter Thiel markets his form of globalism very eloquently....rethink all of what he said and why he said it. Who profits from his vision?
As a non native english speaker i have trouble to understand, is Peter Thiel pro or anti Woke?
Anti
Neither. He believes that such arguments distract people from exploring larger questions and building solutions to worldly problems.
I would add to that the "progress myth". But actually, it doesn't even rise to the level of myth, which always has a salient point to make. It's just a mentality... a side effect.
Very nuanced discussion on the state of modernity, gentlemen. Thank you for your service
I was planning to go in to mechanical engineering, but my school closed down its engineering school, so I had to do CS instead. I was super sad at the time that my dream of mechanical engineering was ruined. but it turned out that CS was the correct major and mech E would have been a terrible decision. Now I have a Bentley flying spur. I am happy I got the CS degree instead of mech E. but I wish I could have know this back then, it would have saved me tons of stress!
Missed opportunity to get David Sacks and Peter Thiel in the same room and discuss/reflect on Diversity Myth.
I feel this guy had a chip in his shoulder about his time in college, and he's still trying to get back at whoever or whatever annoyed him in his college experience? And how the heck are unions a corporate construct? He doesn't realize that unionized employees also have an interest in the company's success? A closer relationship between unions and management is needed, not an outright dismissal of the utility of unions in a company's success and social responsibility. Thiel seems more like a brainwashed, vengeful, propagndist, hearing his choice of topis in thsi interview.
Delving deeply into evolutionary biology is hard.
Evolution in practice gets exponentially more complex at each new level of complexity, and each new level is founded upon and sustained by new levels of cooperation, and maintaining cooperation requires expanding ecosystems of cheat detection and mitigation systems (for me most of religious thought is some sort of early approximation to the complexity and ethical conditions required, that was a reasonable approximation in the time before the depths of evolutionary theory and practice became available).
So the overly simplistic notion that many have of evolution (that it is all about competition), is not simple wrong, it is almost the inverse of what actually happens.
It is beyond any remaining shadow of reasonable doubt that the evolution of complexity is, to a good first order approximation, founded upon cooperation and sustained by continued cooperation, which is sustained at every level by evolving ecosystems of cheat detection and mitigation systems, which at higher levels include ethics and morality.
Evolution necessarily biases us to prefer simple certainty over complex uncertainty.
The idea of hard knowing, as in 100% certainty, is dead. But the idea of reasonable confidence in context, is very much alive and well. And having such a "contextually useful approximation" approach to knowledge demands of us that if we are faced with reliable evidence that contradicts some cherished notion, that we are prepared to re-evaluate it. Yet on a day to day basis, we act based upon those things we are confident about. The classical notion of "Truth" prevents such advancement, because if you have "Truth", why would you consider anything that contradicts it as possibly reliable - it would be unreliable by definition. With such a probabilistic approach, we get to act with confidence, and with respect, and we get to update our ideas as evidence becomes available.
So our current economic system, which is founded upon the supremacy of competition, is actually antithetical to the long term survival of complexity. It must self destruct, unless it is reformed to be fundamentally cooperative, beneath the competitive layer. Universal income would be such a cooperative foundation.
The economic system also needs to be able to work within planetary boundaries. Creating money with an embedded growth obligation (interest) is not compatible with planetary boundaries.
I am all for freedom, for me it is part of the very definition of life, as systems capable of searching the space of possible systems for the survivable. The idea of search is by definition going beyond the known, into the unknown, and the unknown unknown, in search of solutions to known problems. But the "survivable" aspect of that definition also demands that every level of freedom is accompanied by appropriate levels of responsibility, to avoid those vectors in the highly dimensional vector-space of existence, which lead to non-existence.
And of course there is a competitive aspect to sorting between "solutions" to find the best "fit" to any particular context, and often such things are highly context specific, and do not generalise well. And there is always a need for a cooperative base, that respects any diversity that is not an actual and unreasonable threat, at all levels (individually and collectively). Nothing even remotely simple in that.
The other major issue with our current economic system, is that economic efficiency produces systemic fragility. Robustness demands reasonable degrees of redundancy and diversity. Diversity, in this sense, is an embodiment of search, in a very real sense.
Individual agents need reasonable degrees of freedom, and they also need to have responsibility.
Systems need to promote freedom, and prevent cheating - all levels.
This is complex - seriously complex.
Thiel always rocking the running shoes, the guy is always ready for a quick 5 km.
Incredible!
What about his views on immigration and their impact on American society ?
Largely net positive but obviously can cause negative disruptions when it displaces low skilled workers or blue collar labor. If it were organized with easily obtained work permits for farm workers for instance, we wouldn't have near as many problems. We need them as much as they need us. Certain levels of protectionism are necessary of course. We have no broad comprehensive immigration policy in this country and it is disgraceful.
@@panama_juan I think he mentioned immigration as an unconstrained Girardian rivalry which can lead to excessive income equality and reduced competition between nations.
Exactly why I mentioned why a comprehensive immigration reform is necessary, which hasn't happened in the last 20+ years. Farm workers need legality and labor protection if they're to work in the jobs that most Americans would never work in. Give them a work permit and some worker protections and these type of problems would never be an issue. They come and work for a given amount of time, they pay taxes/social security, which they get when their done working, and all of this nonsense is solved.
@@panama_juanWhat about IT industry ?
@@constantine495 Well as we've seen with some white collar jobs like IT it can also drive down wages for them as well. Like when we bring IT specialists from developing countries who will accept lower wages and worse working conditions. The negative effects from uncontrolled immigration are definitely not exclusive to blue collar manual labor jobs.
Thanks for this 🙏
Incredibly vibrant work; reminiscent of a book that was vibrant and full of life. "Rising From Within: Unlocking Your Innate Power to Conquer Adversity" by Vincent Starling
awesome interview
My take of this conversation is the importance of going back or forward with God and his word. At the end, that’s all that matters.
What does he think about 501(c)3? by Billionaires? So many unanswered questions?
30:00 if you’ve ever read Mark Fisher’s capitalist realism he talks about this phenomenon of Capitalism co-opting all social justice movements. DEI is just a way to stimulate the economy and drive down wages. Pure capitalism.
good job on this mike
14 subscribers and verified, I've seen an account like this before. Did you do some kind of hack to get this or what
Whatever else is true, DEI is an entire frontier of nonsense make-work that people can engage in
Like “democracy”.
1:05:40 powerful