CAT 50 Tool Fixture
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 9 ธ.ค. 2022
- I picked up a TMX brand Cat 50 tool tightening fixture but had no good way of holding it to use it, so I machined an adaptor plate that can be used to mount it to either a machine table or workbench.
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Best part of the video was the talk about your Father’s press. 👍🏻
The old Abom would have made a video about removing the broken tap and rescuing the project
Maybe he doesn't break many, so has no go to method of his that more often than not gets them out.
Adam, Thanks for the story about your dad and the press. Always like it when you pull something out and say 'was my dad's', or 'was my grandpa's'.
I know what you mean about the press. Dad passed away a couple of years ago and I’m still dragging my feet on cleaning out his shop and tools. I have duplicates of a lot of the hand tools but every time I pick up some of his, it brings back a memory. On another note I will once again say that you are a marketing genius ( and I mean that, not in jest) I’ve been a follower since Stella was a pup and the progress you’ve made is admirable. I’ve built a multi million dollar a year business from a three bay gas station thanks to good raising and the ability to find out what people want and how to give it to them, and you’re doing exactly the same. 👍👍
I don't want you to think I'm passing judgment at all on how you are dealing with your father's things, but I'd be so disappointed in my girls if they just socked my things away and nodody used them.
I want my things used or given/sold to someone who will enjoy them.
I've always been drawn to manual machining. You do a really good job of teaching and explaining in your videos. I work for the railroad, in the shop. We have an old 16" south bend belt driven lathe (maybe 5' center to center). Just from watching and listening to you I look like I been machining for years. In fact my boss was standing next to me the other day and said.. "well.. this things yours now. " lol.
Anyways. Thought I should thank you for sharing knowledge to everyone who wants to listen. Look forward to seeing more content.
Thanks
Hej Adam. Iám looking for your channel for several years. Your are kind and so good to explain. I am not so good in englsh, but i want you to understand, i buy several machine, lahte mill etc because you inspire me. I´me danish ho live in sweden and want to learn something about it. I have a workshop for car´s but sick and tired about that`Want to learn about machinist. I Like to watch your videos, your so good to explain. I ask a employed in the lokal maschine shop for a simple education a saturdayafternoon and he agree. So i´m looking forwards to that. But it just because of you Adam.
Karsten
My worst fear is breaking a tap in a part that took days to machine and that day came. The part was aluminum and the 1/4in tap broke on an angle, so tried to drill out the tap but the carbide drill would just veer off and dig into the aluminum. Tried the chemical method, didn't work. Tried breaking the tap up with a punch didn't work, too deep. Purchased three types of carbide end mills, two flute, four flute, six flute all broke. So wasn't going to purchase another $80 worth of end mills and I thought maybe a carbide burr would work. Used the half round and chewed that nasty tap to bits. Couldn't believe how good it worked, it took seconds to get though about half an inch of tap and not damaging the existing threads. So next time you break off a tap use inexpensive carbide burr, save you a ton of money. 🤑
Blind holes in expensive parts with broken taps are the worst!!!
I had the occasion some years ago to drill and tap some electrical grade copper. I tried several different brands of cutting oils and tapping fluid but still managed to twist off several drills and as many taps. After snapping my third brand new tap, I stood there trying to figure out how to finish the job without spending my profit on drills and taps. I happened to see a jug of bar and chain oil for the chainsaw sitting by the door of the shop and thought what have I got to lose? Surprisingly, it worked great, I drilled and tapped about 140 more holes , used the same tap and drill for all of them and didn't wring off any more bits or taps, and was using a Jacob's chuck in the tailstock of the lathe to hold the drill and the tap.
Dumb luck huh? My friend the machinist suggested WD-40 or kerosene because copper was so gummy but that thick bar oil did the trick. It was the worst to clean off of the lathe but I was amazed that it worked better than fluids designed for cutting and tapping.
Started watching Clough42. Knows what he is doing and isn't confounded by technology. Usable relatable content. His upload regarding rotary phase converters was very enlightening. And he has encorporated CNC and 3D printing into his shop. Worth a watch and subscription, until real content returns to this channel.
the 4 drilled and tapped holes would of been a great learning of G-CODE on your new cnc mill, drill canned cycle, tap canned cycle,4 holes done.
As a lifetime programmer, I agree. However, beginners make mistakes. One nice little project would be to use that white rod with a red ball that everyone seems to have to determine the shape of the workpiece, its height, and how well it is aligned. This would give you the precise coordinates to feed into the digital readout for the actual milling. Of course, double-check the old fashioned way. Still, once you feel that you can trust your little program it becomes a handy little software diagnostic tool to put in your software toolbox.
Yeah Adam, I can feel with you, when new equipment doesnt work as intended. But a "screwed up" base plate for a tool holder is better to find that out than a 5 hour machined piece that just needs one tapped hole 😉
I hope the new tap holders clutch works out better, breaking taps is always aggravating. I hope you keep it up, lots to see still. First chips on the Flex, first chips on the pacemaker, the cnc lathe and so on, I am looking forward to the next videos 😊 actually, cant every day be a saturday 😜 dont get upset on the know it alls, they will always know it better... why didnt you use this, did it that way... I enjoy your content and learned lots off of it. Thanks Adam!
On those larger broken taps, I've had good luck putting my plasma torch centered on the break and a trigger pulse action to burn out the tap spine.
Beginner home gamer here, still like to see the "normal" stuff done by the pros.
Feels like the old days.
This video has gone a long way to reassure me that you're the same Adam who made me click Subscribe.
I'm happy for your success - very much so. I'm pleased to continue watching you build your beautiful new shop, to travel all over the country, to share outdoor cooking that reminds me of my mom's dad more than I'll ever be able to say. I hope you and Abby get to build a beautiful new house, and share some of that with us.
But mostly, I hope you continue to show us projects that span a spectrum from just enough to almost perfect, and to talk about how excellence is making the RIGHT compromises, and integrity is, too.
Good to see the chips flying! Looking forward to next few years as your new shop allows for much more varied projects of greater size & complexity.
I've found that if you take a torch and heat a broken tap or drill cherry red then let it cool then reheat it cherry red and cool it instantly with dry ice it make them super brittle and usually break out in little pieces with a sharp center punch and hammer. I do alot of chromed hydraulic shafts with broken piston bolts and I've broke a few end mills off trying to bore out the bolts and have removed a few of them same way. I've also had drills and end mills fall right out once they been heated and hit with dry ice.
Had a Dake #1 press for a couple years, almost broke my orbital on the handle one time... Now I have a Dake 1-1/2 with the ratchet. Worth 10X every penny difference.
I kinda like it when things don't go to plan. Makes for a more interesting video in the end.
You need an EDM for broken tap removal so you don't have to compromise the job.
We've had problems with Lyndex number 1 clutched tap holders breaking OSG spiral flute taps in a pneumatic tapping arm. Went to the spiral point taps and they're getting a lot more work done.
I spiral point tap is a lot stronger than a spiral flute.
so even the mighty Abom can break a tap!
(Need one of those EDM machines)
Good video,Adam.Good mounting plate and thank you for all the info regarding the the tapping issue.Take care.
we had something similar for holding tools set into a surface plate, then the tool setter could use a height guage and tag a ballpark figure on the tool for the operator to offset
I am looking forward to seeing you use more of these new machines and what jobs you will be doing with them.
Adam, nice work as always. It is a delight to watch you !
Eric
A simple little job, it's just nice to see some chips fly.
Great Project for the CNC as a learning process
Nice job 😮
what a cool back story on your Famco! 👊👊👍👍
Always good to see some straightforward machining. I hope Flex can solve that tap-breaking feature soon. That could be costly if it was on a bigger project. Thanks for another enjoyable video.
Broken taps can be “burned” out with an electrical discharge machine (EDM). After the electrode removes the center of the tap the hole can be rethreaded.
Nicely done and your fix for the broken tap is exactly what I would do if this we're for my own tool.
I Enjoy Your Channel. Can't wait too See More on the CNC Machines.
Merry Christmas, Happy Holiday's and Hope's For a Great New Year.
"I can see a coulple thou run out....." lol. a true artist
Thanks for sharing
I bought two of them used. Great chucks.
Helical makes great tooling. Now that they're owned by Harvey, they have them all stocked down the street from my shop.
very nice Adam
Hey Adam, you still haven't mounted an extractor/filter to your pedestal grinding wheel. I have x-ray eyes and I can see all the microscopic chips flying about your shop. They'll love all your shiny new machinery and work their way in and make a really tasty grinding paste. Please Mate!!!
I know how frustrating that broke tap can be on a project. Thanks for sharing. I saw your cabinet shipping destruction on fb 😮😢
I have used a 30 amp plasma cutter to blow broken taps out. You need to peck it a little at a time. I have had success that it even leaves the threads. I assume it is something to do with dis-similar metals.
anyone hear from Tom Lipton recently? He hasn't posted a video in a long time.
not sure why you didnt do a through hole in the first place as this is just a shop fixture? I know it adds an op to deburr the other side but bottoming tap adds complexity to the design
It adds the possibility that chips get up into those holes and potentially throw off perfect mating or mar up any surface he bolts it to. Smooth surfaces are always best for mounting plates.
I've said it many times before: You can easily see without indicators at 23:09 the FLEX ARM tool holder wobbling all over the place. It clearly isn't a precision tool. No wonder your taps are breaking.
It's in his hand, that is why it looks like it's moving all over the place. When tapping, zero side-to-side that I could see
@@philipmackin1025 It is a horror show to watch the FLEX ARM wobbling and having the "throw" it has. But you can't arrest the company for lying. They actually called the tool FLEX ARM and it sure is living up to its name (as I do, I know).
It's supposed to be flexible so that it follows the hole. That has nothing to do with why the tap broke - the clutch simply didn't do it's job at the bottom of a blind hole.
@@kindablue1959 look again. It is not that it is just wobbling. It isnt wobbling in a plane eihter. The thing isn't going down in a straight line.
@@swedishpsychopath8795 I've seen this 'problem' mentioned in practically every video Adam has made using the FlexArm. It's working according to its design - you just don't understand it. A tap will always just follow a pre-drilled hole.
Would drilling out all 4 holes with a larger size work instead of offsetting one
Braking a tab is unfortunately sometimes part of the process. Would be nice to see that in the video. Thank you for your content
nice camera work
cool!
I don’t trust the clutch style tap drivers. I just drill a little deeper and don’t bottom out. That Trim tap heavy is some good stuff. I use it on anything bigger than 1/2” .
That flex arm seems like its more trouble than its worth.
~M~ Adam is tom Lipton still with TH-cam have not seen the new shop in a long time ?
I live in the U.S.A. but whenever I buy something from China; I prefer to say the product was made in USAH far east. Also, for drilling in a mill I like the ER collet fixtures. I always indicate anything new going into the mill's spindle. One more thing, I never warmed any tapered shank before setting it into it's mating part due to uneveness of the heat. I like Tapmatic tapping heads.
The most important factor in using tapered tooling is to assemble them perfectly clean with no oil which includes finger oil. Spindle Mate inc sells cleaners for inside long tapers that are a squeegee type tool. They also have very interesting information including studies that prove the importance of clean, oil free taper assemblies. Check them out. I have no financial interest in them just own some of their products and have been very happy with them for many years.
4:00 Nothing wrong with made overseas!
I always thought taps were 1-time consumables 😂
Typically that would live where the tools are getting set up and near the pre setter
Adam, as always love the detailed explanations and videos. Was curious if the Flex Arm reverses during the tapping process. I think that is common when hand tapping, but as fast as it goes, i can not visually see it occur. Thanks for all you do!
There is a reverse button but is not automatic, the operator should use it by feel.
Might be a good idea to make a proper tool cart with the tightening fixture and Haimer tool setter all in one location.
Great post! But wouldn't this have been a perfect project for you to try on your CNC... get some practice with coding?
Wouldn't you want to use carbide endmills and not drills for drilling out the broken trap?
Try removing and evening up the jaws of that used chuck. You might be able to reduce the run out.
Pretty cool Adam,broken taps will just wreck your day. What about making a stand and bolting to the floor?
An "idea" I had.. And I may try the same thing on my router bits for woodworking, but when you find an RPM that works for a specific bit without chatter or destruction is to write that RPM down on the box or the shank of the bit, so at least next time you have a "known good" starting point.. Just an idea, but thought it might be helpful.
What about using fixture bolts on Jason's table, so you can just drop pins in for quick setup/removal?
That would be sweet if I had that table in the shop and called it Jason’s table.
Everyone would be like. Jason doesn’t even work here
I always get nervous with a bottom tap and I’m doing it by hand
we have a famco #1 at our auto club in sun city west az.
I see an Accu Finish tool sharpener there! I hope you show it. I'm pretty sure Glendo don't make them anymore.
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Could have been a great project for CNC mill. That endmill rotation direction was questionable for me. I'm sure I am wrong :)
Should you or should you not put loctite on the threads of the retention knob? Is it permissible? Just wondering.
Expensive table for a workbench
Has he got some flash rusting on them Flex CNC rails?
Abom Famco machine is still around they're in Kenosha wi about 30min away from me , still a big place not sure how much product is made here or overseas
Hi 👋 Adam.
Blind tapping is best with the hole full of semi solid lubricant. This forces all chips up and out of the hole.
I've used bar soap mixed with hypoid gear oil. Let the bar soap dry out as most have a lot of water, then use a fine cheese grater. Mix hypoid lube until you have a stiff putty. It will melt on low heat, fill the blind holes and let solidify. The tap pulls all the swarf out too.
In other words Rocol. The worlds best cutting lubricant.
Would it not be possible to run the open drill chuck down onto a reamer to clean and true up the inside?
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Adam you should weld the plate on top of a post stand on casters. That you can wheel around anywhere. Just like your welding table back home.🤔👍👍
Mostly I chafe against peanut gallery suggestions, (and I'm not saying yours is one 'o' those!) . That's not a bad idea ... and adds to the discussion!!!
@@silasmarner7586 Since the typical toque spec on a CAT50 toolholder pull stud is on the order of 100 ft.lbs (75-125 ft.lbs depending on make) and tool set screws and collet nuts can be on the same order... do you think that a roll around base is still a good workable idea? Are you familiar with any examples of such a setup?
Great content
Hey Dude, it looks like you buddy Clark over at Windy Hill Foundry could use some help with his smelter being out of commission... Any chance you could help him out? Thanks for the content Dude!
Yeah it's a damn shame about Jacobs, they went from making premium quality Chucks known the world over for reliability and quality to dumping out shite no one wants anymore that breaks before the tool does. 🤷
I'm lucky I kept all my old school made in USA Jacobs chucks and when I buy a new drill I immediately remove the garbage Chuck it came with and replace it with a one of the Jacobs.
I have four Jacobs chucks and they all say "Sheffield" England. Thought I would treat myself to a new one, when it arrived it said on the box" Made in China" I would never have bought it if I had known. I now ask where the tools are made.
Another great movie. Machine with the tap broke off, but that happens to all of us.
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slower rpm, same feed rate, more tool pressure, less chatter
yes, chatter makes me nervous. I would recommend a tool with fewer but bigger flutes.
Just curious, why you don't wear the leather aprons anymore?
Hi Adam
Paint the plate so it doesn't rust, apply a light coat of paint and finish.
Does Oxtools have a book? I can't seem to find anything.
Tom Lipton - "Metalworking Sink Or Swim" and "Metalworking: Doing It Better" are two of them that I know about.
18:44 how many rpm does that tool do? judging by the sound it must be A LOT.
A79 lost the grip on manual machines after he started to fool around with them CNC floozies.
KBC spec says 30,000 RPM (no load)
sort of a missed opportunity to not have it work with the fixture table pins.
These Chipbreakers produce a lot of chatter. I prefer to use some normal endmills
Adam, did you consider burning the tap out using EDM method.?
Collet holders are not ideal for slotting i bet it would not have chattered with a weldon/sidelock holder
What was that chamfer tool you used
What do you actually mean by "made overseas"? If you mean China I agree the quality may be unknown, but if it's made in Europe I think the quality may be superior to US.... Just my thoughts.
Depends who made it done are great others are cheap
Across the pond is Europe to some folks.
Mitutoyo is Japanese and is overseas. Japan makes some really nice stuff. China makes whatever you want as good as you ask and pay for. When tool companies manufacture as cheap as possible, quality control suffers. iphones are made in China and have almost perfect quality control. Dollar store crap, another story.
@@notsofresh8563 great take, it gets annoying when people act like China only produces inferior stuff
@@notsofresh8563 For us 🇺🇸 who already know...LOL
Why didn't you just make slots in the CAT 50 Tool Fixture's sides? That would seem to be easier, and just as useful unless having it turned 90 degrees would be a problem.
If he wanted them central, there is a webbing on one side preventing this, which also probably goes too near the edge for a slot.
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Good morning from Greece
Next projekt the EDM machine to remove. broken taps or some other fred machinist helping you.
Maybe Santa claus brings something ho ho ho.
Greetings from Greece.
John Grizopoulos retired machinist.
isn´t that a BT50 holder??
I expected you to machine at least the bottom of the plate which is in contact with a precision ground table.
Uhh which dirt bikes did you own guess a honda or yamaha no KTM ?
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Look at Abom, goin metric.....