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Atheists Are Under the Influence of Satan | David - Charleston, SC | Talk Heathen 01.00.2
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- Talk Heathen 01.00.2 for October 29, 2017 with Eric Murphy, Jamie, & Anthony Magnabosco.
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"Wanna know the funniest thing about people who call people like me Satanists??
They believe in Satan, and I don't"
- Oliver Sykes
Satanists are also atheists as we dont believe in the supernatural at all
The Satanic Temple are atheists who embrace science and skepticism. Satan is only symbolic to them
Robert Preston
i think its counter productive to call yourself a satanist if you don’t believe in the supernatural
If you have not accepted Jesus Christ and repented, you worship Satan!
@Michael kilby Very interesting, thanks
When a religious person tells me I'm possesed by Satan I just play along. It's actually pretty fun.
Yep... Hail Satan 🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂
No I say to them that they are under the influence of the green goblin. It's obvious they must be under the influence of the green goblin if they don't believe in spider man, the heathens.
i usually do my best Egor impression
Thank you for not disabling the comments
Bryan G a fair pro and con debate should always b open to chit chat, hence open the comment section rather then muffles ppl open minded opinion with youtube duct tape lols
Immortal Sirens
Tell that to the Atheist Experience. They disabled the comments on their videos
Bryan G awe #:-( face
Immortal Sirens I know right??!?
Ad Lockhorst
For sure, I don't like watching their videos because I can't engage in conversation in the comments.
It's simple , if anyone tells you, you are under the influence of the devil you just ask " how do you know?"
I'm a big fan of the socratic method. Keep asking questions, let them talk.
muh faith
Ask them to administer the Under The Influence Field Test. If you can walk a straight line, but there's smoke and sulphur where you stepped, you're U.I. Can you make the Ronnie James Dio "Horns" gesture and touch both your pinky and index finger to your nose?
point out that in the Garden of Eden....God LIED to Adam and Eve.....but the Serpent, told the Truth......
Tim Hyatt This is very true, Satan only tested people's faith while telling the truth, God not only lied, he posted of his all to human falts of being, jealous, vengeful, and angry. God also demanded the murdering, of every man, women, child, and even the livestock; save the young virgin girls. Note, the Bible doesn't refer to them as women which means; these prepubescent girls which the Bible states the men were to keep for themselves; were to be raised s sex slaves. This is of no surprise as, Jesus himself speaks as to; how slaves are to respect the words of their owners the way they would the words of God. He even spells out how a slave owner is only to be punished if his slave dies within 3 days of a beating. Any God that resorts to the threat of condemning someone to hell, and bribes them with the prize of an afterlife; along with all his other misdeeds which includes, punishing the innocent while rewarding the guilty, is no diety worthy of my worship and devotion.
If he's calling you a demon, he's lost the argument
Joel Cassin true but it's an emotional response and at this point they are most likely not going to be receptive.
Joel Cassin same for when they say you’re just like Hitler. If you gotta pull out the Hitler card, you’ve lost the argument.
@@trishayamada807 Except Hitler is a real person whose actions you can emulate. It is very difficult to convincingly emulate a demon and, even if you did, there would be few negative effects for anyone but yourself. Emulation of Hitler can, and does, occur with very negative, tangible, consequences.
WeylandrStigandr oh ffs.
@@trishayamada807 So no one should ever be compared to hitler, even people advocating genocide? Get a grip. Just because some people over-use it doesn't mean it is not valid.
Kaufkaesque is overused and almost always misused, it doesn't make those who use it correctly wrong, does it?
You cannot have a reasonable conversation when one party is allowed to invoke magic as an explanation and the other party sticks with reality.
I see a lot of narcissism in theists. There is a stonewall attitude. There are a lot of lies. There is fantasy. There is emotional reasoning. There is gaslighting. There is salad talk. There is labeling. There is maximization and minimization. There is selective thinking. There is denial. There is rage. It's a hard call to try and get a theist to think logically.
These hosts are terrific... they work together really well and cooperate with speaking-time, not to mention clarity and compassion when addressing specific arenas of debate.
I understand myrtle beach has a church on every corner and no help for the homeless.
Did it ever come to your mind, that if I reject the idea of a god, I also reject the idea of satan? Same goes for hell. I am not afraid of hell, because it does in the same way not exist as god does not exist.
Religios people often really think, they can frighten my with their non existing fairy tale creatures and places.
I'm sure yes, it's crossed all of our minds because there are few to no religious people in this comment section really. It still doesn't matter to them, as you just said, they really think they can frighten you with their nonsense.
I saw a Muslim video years ago that used Hell to try and scare people into converting to Islam. Then down in the comments I saw one Muslim woman that said that atheists were stupid for not believing and then used Pascal's wager to defend Islam. Many people thought it was some brilliant comment but honestly I've seen the Christian version of it my entire life. So whenever someone happily threatens me with Hell I just smile and remind them that they're going to Hell in someone else's religion even if they don't believe in it.
@John Careful there. Odin might listen to you.
Well, it makes them feel better...
X-tians are all about being fearfull and using Fear to push their imaginary god and demons on the rest of the world,if you're not scared they cant influence you...
Flip it on them. Suggest that THEY are under the influence of Satan. Giving the world a book that instructs people to live by a God's standards, then having that God do horrible things, would be a perfect plan. Especially since Christians don't question or have a problem with the things that God does.
Hehe yeah classic Matt Dilahunty when he asks "how do you know it's actually God and not satan who did X"
Exactly by their own book god has done much more evil things than satan has done
The response to the “you’re just arguing for Satan” nonsense is simply “prove it”.
As an atheist from South Carolina i can attest to the things David is saying. Glad there are more atheists than me in this state
In SC you have to attest to belief in God to hold a public office. An articulate atheist speaker went to court to become a notary public in SC and won.
"You worship Satan!!"
"If I don't believe in your Sky Daddy, why would I worship your Fire Demon?"
"You think I'm the most beautiful angel? Are you hitting on me?"
I see most of religious people, as insecure. The use of god is bubble protection
anthony toscano the church is basically a 'safe space'. Good way to ignore the uncomfortable realities of life.
That's the problem, religion helps people not to deal with problems let the man in the sky do it;
Now we have a maniac in the WH
_"The scriptures say..."_
And the scriptures are bullshit.
_"If atheists could free people from the bondages of sin"_
Atheists free people from the bondage of religion.
The bullshit.
Or is it _"mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay them before me."_ Luke 19:27
Or _"Do not assume that I have come to bring peace to the earth; I have not come to bring peace, but a sword."_ Matthew 10:34
Or maybe _"kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman who has known man intimately. But all the girls who have not known man intimately, spare for yourselves."_ Numbers 31:17-18
For most of my life, I believed that Satan was a metaphor, not a being that people actually believed in.
Some people need imaginary enemies to blame their bullshit on.
"The devil made me do it."
Said by every child raping clergyman, ever.
Someone once told me the devil was tricking me to not believe. My response and the dialogue went like:
Them: The devil is tricking you into not believing
Me: OK, let's for the sake of this conversation, assume the devil is real. Are you telling me he can trick me without me knowing it that there's no god?
Them: Yes, the devil is very deceptive. He's powerful
Me: OK, so he has the power to trick people without us knowing and make us believe things we wouldn't normally believe?
Them: Yes.
Me: Ok, cool. So how do you know I'm the one being fooled?
Them: What do you mean?
Me: Well, if he can fool people into believing god isn't real, couldn't he trick people into following the wrong god?
Them: What do you mean? I don't understand.
Me: You said the devil is devious and can trick people. So, how do you know that I am being tricked and not you?
Them: Oh, the bible tells me that.
Me: So how do you know that the people who wrote the bible weren't fooled by the devil?
Them: Because god tells us so.
Me: He talks to you?
Them: He communicates with us, yes.
Me: How do you know that that's God and not the devil?
Them: I just know. (by this time, he's clearly uncomfortable the way this has gone)
Me: So, why can't I just know that I am not being fooled then?
Them: Because you have no basis to know that. I do. God.
Me: But you have no basis to KNOW for certain that it's God communicating with you and not the devil. You said the devil is deceptive and can easily trick people.
Them: God protects us from the devil.
Me: Oh, OK. So God protects you, and not us. Why?
Them: Because we were born again.
Me: But how do you know that? How do you know that it's not this devil that's telling you to do all of this. To follow and worship a god that isn't real or isn't THE god? Wouldn't fooling billions of Christians and Muslims into following the wrong god be a better feather in his cap than just the few million non believers?
Them: I know because God speaks to me. It's written on my heart.
Me: OK, so I think I understand. You believe that only non believers can be fooled because we're weak minded and don't have god talking to us.
Them: Yes. You're easier to trick. You don't have the protection I have.
Me: The protection you can't know is really what you think it is and can't show anybody? That protection?
Them: I have faith.
Me: Good for you. I have reason and logic.
Them: So, who do you think will win the election?
Me: So we're done with the devil talk?
Them: Yes, we're at an impasse
me: Kind of. You have to believe that everyone else but you, christians, can be fooled by the devil to justify your belief and this argument.
Them: Because it's true.
Me: How do you know? Can you demonstrate that?
Them: I have some work to do. We can talk later.
It probably wouldn't be a surprise to anyone that the topic of religion and specifically the devil has never come up again with him. At least not with me.
So, the devil argument can be turned right back to them if you ever had it used on you.
I am surprised that this conversation didn't end with _"I'll pray for you."_
I'd ask "can Satan literally bend logic? Make 1+1 equal 3? No? Good, then as long as we keep the debate fully logical he can't intervene"
"What part do you not understand of 'I do not believe in the existence of any supernatural entities'?"
One way to respond to this claim is to point out the flawed logic
If Yahweh is the creator of everything, then he created Satan
If Yahweh is all knowing, then he foresaw the result of creating Satan
If Yahweh is all powerful and Satan is not, then everything Satan does is allowed by Yahweh
If Yahweh truly is all knowing and all powerful, then everything that has been, is, and will be, is according to his will...
We are the only beings other than god, that have free will.
@ Hoichi, your statements are indeed correct, but there's one flaw in your plan: true believers are impervious to reason and logic.
@@aroni3s440 So Satan acts according to God's will?
@@aroni3s440 if god is all knowing, we by default, cannot have free will.
@@rowleyj31 he knows every possible outcome, I know your little brain can't comprehend that, but that's ok!
I was a christian for 45 years and can honestly say that Satan is well represented among believers.
“If we’re going to accuse me of being a made up character I prefer to called Spider-Man.”
"The Devil's greatest trick was to convince the world that he doesn't exist"... Well, let me tell you that, so far, from where i stand, God is doing a pretty good job at that for Himself!
Yay, Anthony M. I had him as a guest on my radio show. I love this guy. X
I've been called the devil himself by a few torturer worshipers, after making them doubt.
I really enjoyed that. It's actually good advice for other heated discussions, sometimes it's better to leave your interlocutor with "food for thought" that they can digest after the conversation, rather than beat them into some sort of submission. If your aim is to pursuade someone of your opinion (whether it be around faith or anything else) then it's very easy to lose despite "winning" the argument and often much better to break up the discussion into more manageable chunks.
we are under the influence of.... logic
But it seems the masses and leaders aren't and it's getting worse.
Satan you see, invented logic. Using logic is naturally of the devil. All hail Satan! (also his music is the best. Just sayin')
PS: There is no such thing as Demons, Devil, King of Hell, Lord of Flies....but his music is fucking awesome.
Best way is to learn the history of "satan" and how it evolved into what it is today to counter argue their claim.
"Biography of Satan" Kersey Graves.
@@parrotshootist3004 I haven't gotten to read that book yet. I've been wanting to to see what it all has to say. Have you ever watched 43valley's video on it? He did a pretty good job on it.
David has a tough job trying to convince people in South Carolina that they're wrong about religion. They have that religious tradition and will fight tooth and nail to hold on to it.
I'm more Hitchens side. I do want people to get rid of religion, but I'm surrounded by it, get approached with it all the time, and get rude remarks of how I think. Labeling ME as the crazy one for living in the real world. I'm not going to reply in kind.
Unsubscribed from Atheist Experience and came here because AE disabled their comments. I'll check these guys until such time they disable the comments. Anybody else disappointed that AE disabled the comments?
Dave Steadman pretty sure they disabled comments because they were getting out of hand. It’s only something they have done in the last couple of months
TH-cam comments are a stinking, unmoderated cesspool of hate and inanity. They've got a show blog if you want to discuss what you're seeing.
Not all of them. TH-cam comments allow for real time commentary and exchange.
They should move to a subreddit.
While we know youtube tends to be a shitfest on the comments, we are not to trust a discussion to a first party website either.
The got their precious little baby feelings hurt.
My earliest memory is speaking in tongues. I have been dunked in water anointed with oil. I was a Christian, until the day came when I got schizoid affective disorder. Everything I hallucinated was religious. I "saw" God. But as the disease progressed the elders of the church prayed over me. The actually said I might have a "gift" of seeing demons and satan so forth. The disease progressed and finally the church accused me of being in sin therefore God could not or would not heal me. I had mistakenly believed that Jesus would heal me. I was childlike in faith and so so hurting. Finally I went to the doctor. And I was "healed." I spent three years of literal hell on earth and begging to be healed from the almighty Father. All it took was a pill. And years of therapy rebuilding my shattered psyche. All from a simple child like plea. I finally in my right mind read the bible. And saw it full of horrors that I do not want any part of. Killings of children and animals and nailed to a cross and so forth. And the quite frank bullshit. So this is my testimony from someone who loved God as much as David. With all my fiber and mind. To a full blown science believing very vocal atheist. Amazing how deluded I was. And to my dying day the immense power of the human mind. I have a peaceful life now. I went back to school and became a social worker. I am now employed full time and next spring am getting my MSW. I look over my successes, my first part time job, my little studio so I am no longer homeless to graduating to holding a full time position I do not attribute my life accomplishments to a god. I did it through very hard work and many loving people in my life. Anyways I have been wanting to express my gratitude for shows like this. I do not feel so lonely.
Thank you.
Ahh of course. Because we refuse to accept their claims of an imaginary ("loving") creator, the only explanation is that we're under the control of a different imaginary ("evil") being. Theist logic.....
So if god banished satan to hell to punish siners, so how can satan have any influence on the earth that would mean Satan's just as powerful as god which would mean gods not that powerful at all
The bigger question to me is why would Satan punish people that were sent to Hell for disobeying God? If anything Satan would welcome those people with open arms. It would have made more sense if God chose someone like Moses, turn him into a demigod and have him watch over people like Satan in Hell.
My two cents: God allows Satan to tempt because it serves a greater purpose, to Satan’s aggravation. And while Satan does torture people in Hell, he’s a sadist and they are his easiest targets it’s less that he gets to rule Hell and more he’s the meanest prisoner on the block.
@@ParanormalEncyclopedia The thing is, this is a dualistic thing. In many ancient religions, the concept of dualism occurs. Two equally powerful but opposite forces; good and evil, light and darkness, push and pull, above and below, yin and yang, etc etc. This was one of the many aspects of earlier mythology, incorporated into/plagiarised by modern Abrahamic religions, much like how Roman mythology and Arthurian legend and Celtic mythology incorporated parts of different religions to make it easier to swallow for other people.
The problem, of course, arises when a fundamentally monoistic religion tries to incorporate dualism. The result is, as we know, laughably self contradictory, haphazard and quite frankly, hideously messy.
The concept of the devil (or just the "evil" force that is equal in power to the "good" force) long predates Christianity and Judaism but was incorporated long after the Jews stuck their feet in the ground at the whole "only one god and nothing is nearly as powerful as he is."
This is a glaring and unsightly reminder of how jumbled up and sewn together religions are. While believers in it have tried their damnedest to find workarounds, some almost being decent if not elegant, there is no reconciling dualism and monoism. They are mutually exclusive.
The attempts of early Abrahamic religions to incorporate dualism speaks volumes about how willing they were to drastically change their doctrine to reel other people into it and, by extension, how reliable their doctrine is.
@@ParanormalEncyclopedia yeah that's totally how an eternal being who is supposedly very smart will behave. Nah, it doesn't sound like a story a human would make up at all!
In some Gnostic teachings, Satan is the savior of mankind for lifting us from ignorance (the fruit of the Tree of Knowledge) and God is the demi-urge who seeks to subjugate the ignorant for the sake of his own exaltation.
The funniest thing is if you use logic & reason to point out the ridiculousness of their position, the more it convinces them of your satanism.
say what sheldon cooper would say,,,,, "" im not a demon,, my mother had me tested! "
Big Bang Theory!
I'm from Charleston sc as well. The best way is to not debate but ask them genuine questions about what they believe and why. Just leave it open ended and hope they think about it.
I don’t know what’s crazier. An imaginary friend or an imaginary enemy?
Magnabosco is an inspiration, man.
Another answer could be: If God's strength or powers aren't sufficient to wrest me out of Satan's control, and Satan somehow is powerful enough to subvert the will of God - maybe Satan is in fact the stronger ally.
Thought Anthony’s tee with “Dodgers, Dodgers, Dodgers” on the front was a reference to Christian’s dodging the truth. Then he leaned back and I saw the LA logo. Bummer 😂
The thing that made stop sharing my belief in Jesus was learning that Christians didn't have a monopoly on chariry. The thing that made me stop believing in hell was getting to know some great people who happened to be gay. The thing that made me stop believing in the church was a preacher who claimed Jesus would only return once all the Muslims were killed. The thing that made me stop believing in God was realising that all my beliefs surrounding the idea of God had already gone. Be patient with people and they will eventually work it out for themselves
My advise: Ask them if saying you are under the influence is Satan is the same as saying "well you're just delusional believing in an imaginary friend?" And see if they can connect that.
The "devil" gambit is their conversation stopper. It's a personal attack because they don't have another response left.
My brother says his children are worried that I'll be burning in Hell. I told him it's because that's what he taught them. I told my children when we die we go back to where we were before we were born. See, no horrible never-ending torture necessary.
Hell can't be all bad if there are no Christians there.
If logic and reason says you are under the influence of Satan than maybe God should step up his game.
I spat my soup out when I heard David wants to be a masterdebater😂
If I’m influenced by the Devil then why would God let Christians do evil or let the Devil influence them, especially if we have free will and he’s all powerful and he’s both good and evil????🤔🤦🏾♂️🤷🏾♂️
Yahweh created and controls Satan.
Satan takes his orders from his boss, Yahweh.
Any questions?
you don't say
Yes, my question is: was the pharmacy out of your psychotropic meds, or did you simply deem them ineffective or unnecessary and stop taking them?
So god is responsible for all evil and corruption? Gotcha.
@@2l84me8 it says so in the Bible
Personally, I think you should just puke pea soup all over them.
lol
i tried that
Great episode, great advice....great job, guys!
The 'soft' approach you're advising sounds great. I don't know if it will work, but it's worth a shot.
That is if I don't get too impatient with someone who tries to invalidate my opinion by discrediting me as a person.. Nasty habit that.
My parents encouraged us ,( me and my sister), to question everything. It why she went to Oxford university and I went to Warwick university.
Asking questions is a virtue?
It is not the questioners fault that the answers may be unconvincing or fallacious.
The goal is to convince people, not to win debates. In this case, the caller would do better job of fanning cognitive dissonance by showing polite consideration for the person accusing them of being influenced by the devil than finding some angle to nail them to the wall.
I liked the vacuum cleaner salesman analogy. I have this exact issue with a family member of mine. What I find is that if you tell a religious person something, say like for example a contradiction in the Bible or something that doesn't make sense in their religion, they don't usually have a rational response. They have never had their beliefs challenged before, so their response to something they don't have a response for is immediate anger and lashing out, e.g you are the devil! To them the very notion that someone would question or challenge their belief is satanic. And I think religion is often the one little safe area where some people feel they can always be right and never be challenged. I.e., "I've been wrong about everything else in my life, but I know I'm right about God!" And to them, the audacity of anyone to challenge that safe area makes them extremely angry.
I usually end up in the useless point of debating the meaning of Atheism. So many Christians try to focus on the term as an absolute certainty that a god doesn't exist, instead of the real meaning that is a disbelief in a god. It's usually pointless, because if someone has believed something since they were children, it's almost impossible for them to let it go.
They are trying so hard to get around the fact that satan is tricking them that it’s cringey🤦🏾♂️
My mother told me that the Devil is in me.
Which is odd, when you consider that God made me to the best of his ability.
It suggests that God is incompetent.
Voldermort told me to pay no attention to that Sith behind that curtain.
Bringing forth the fact the resorted to being defensive and went to calling names and labeling and all they do, is probably the best way to handle them.. show their fallacies in attacking and degrading instead of a logical fair minded debate.
It may be your last method of keeping them engaged but, I've found that saying, "Wait! I'm not a christian! I didn't say you're only trying to get to heaven to get your 72 virgins! So don't try to say I'm affected by YOUR bad christian Lucifer!" can sometimes make them take mental step back.
The advice given here is the exact opposite of how I'd approach the conversation. At the point at which I get demonized is the point at which I tear the fabric of their beliefs down to the core, with no holds barred, using the most potent and punishing language possible.
Be emotionally indifferent, never utilize ad hominem attacks, state your case in a friendly manner, rebut in a friendly manner. Understand that deconversion can be a long process and its unlikely you'll be the one to convince the person, so be patient also. To address the accusation of devil influence directly, I would ask, How can you demonstrate that the devil exists let alone demonstrate that I'm under the influence of that entity?
The author of the phrase about the devil is actually Charles Baudelaire (in Usual suspects it’s rephrased) It appeared in an amazing short story “The generous gambler”.
It's odd that "god"can't get through to intelligent people yet "satan" can?
You could say, how would this Christian person feel if you were trying to have a debate with a Hindi or Muslim and that Hindi or Muslim refused to address your specific points, but instead resorted to calling you their devil? A devil of a faith that you don't even believe in. Is that fair?
I like your approach, however I don't think they're going to be able to understand it.
Hindu person.
I hate living here. Every girl I've met has been fine with me except the fact I'm an atheist, harassed at my jobs to tell my religion and I say "I'm agnostic" and having to deal with that.
I had people gaslighting me into thinking my problems are all because I'm not with their God. I hate having to lie and say I'm religious because I'm half asleep in a hospital bed when random employees bring it up.
Many Christians cannot go without trying to convert me every time they see me
I promise every 3rd uber ride I get some religious yammering that stalls me in front of my place. It's so bad.
I could go on for 10 hours and break every comment limit.
It's horrifying. I'm stuck here alone. I'm sober from alcohol and I did it with no god. Opiates too. I'm fit and decent looking and nice to everyone and all that, I go out of my way to be, but religion comes up all the time. SC is like theocracy.
Off-course cultist are trying to convert you to their cult and shame you for not joining their cult. They need the cash flow for their cult coming in, and all they think of you is a wallet to get money from.
Stay strong, dont join any cults no matter how much they try to push you into joining their cults.
That sounds horrible. No one should have to be subjected to that sort of bombardment of religious propaganda on a daily basis. I'm guessing what you mean by "living here" is somewhere in the USA ? Here in the UK it's totally different, a large percentage of the population are not religious at all, and those who are rarely mention it. It's simply not a "need to know" in everyday transactions between people.
I love the 27min advert for bayless Conley preaching before your vid
Tossing religion onto the pile of useless endeavours was the most liberating day of my life.
Maybe we could say "ok, I will go away and think about whether I might be influenced by a supernatural being who is supposedly weaker than god IF they will go away and think about whether or not they are engaged in comfirmation bias"? Or something. An exchange of agreement to think about points the other side has made. The result is to hopefully postpone discourse until both parties are more calm and fresh. You can both begin discussion with the topic you ended on while trying not to be influenced by the emotions generated from the previous discussion. Whaddya think, sirs?
I think people shutting down means you have done things correctly in the debate not incorrectly. Believers “shut down” when they realize they are experiencing cognitive dissonance and realize they will have to change their beliefs if the conversation continues.
Theists often say to me "Go and seek Jesus" If he played that game when we were at when I think he would be hiding still. Some ex christians seem to tell the same tale. "I looked and never found him so gave up believing" why has he made it so difficult to find him? and if you wanted someone to find you wouldn't you be somewhere to be seen. Him , personally , not his works or obscurely attributed miracles or nature being his"works". When playing hide and seek with your kids you don't make it difficult or impossible to find you and if they didn't find you, you'd lock them away forever.
I say, "when the bible was written if a person fell to the ground siezed and foaming at the mouth, it was the devil that caused that. Now we know it wasn't the devil, its called epilepsy. I'm asking you, and I don't want an answer, I want you to think about it. Do you believe it was the devil then or still the devil now, or is it epilepsy"?
You're welcome. 😉
Secular Satanist bahaha I literally spit my cherry crystal light all over my white bed spread. Totally worth it.
LOL🤣
If they say that, the best thing to say is...
"Yeah ? You bet your ass I am, and I got my eyes on you, and I smell fear and guilt and doubt, I know a hell bound soul when I see one...and with you, I am really going to take my time when you come to me 😈 "
Laugh Wickedly and leave with an attitude
P.S : Just kidding, follow the host's advice
I dont want to continue knowing or having a conversation with someone who thinks i am literally a demon, that person needs medical and psychiatric help.
The problem with the salesman comparison is that nowadays, for some reason, people automatically disregard any comparisons or analogies as valid arguments. They think you mean that A and B are identical, and you hear them say stuff like "you can't compare those two; they are completely different", or "why are you comparing apples and oranges?" Well, comparing apples and oranges isn't always a bad idea. As long as there is overlap between A and B, it's fair to compare them for the sake of highlighting that overlap. The fact that the rest of A and B are different may or may not impact the validity of the comparison, but it certainly doesn't invalidate it by default. But for some reason people try to claim intellectual high ground whenever their opposition makes a comparison even though it really isn't justified.
On thing I like to do when I get a new job is establish myself as a wholesome, funny, easy going, intelligent and reasonable guy. Let that simmer with my coworkers for a few months and then come out as an atheist and watch them as all their preconceived notions of atheists are turned upside down, or treat me as if they have never met me at all.
Why should anybody ever have to ‘come out’ as an atheist? Fortunately, in my world it’s the religious nut jobs who tend to be regarded as the weirdos.
Xians: "The greatest trick the devil ever pulled is convincing people that he doesn't exist."
ME: "The greatest trick the Space Chupacabra ever pulled is convincing you that he doesn't exist."
Because of my grandchildren I'm under the influence of Santa
The best reply to this stupid assumption is "I SAID IM NOT PLAYING, SO DON'T PUT ON THE OTHER TEAM!!" honestly a game is all religion is.
"I remain completely, utterly, totally, absolutely, and unashamedly unconvinced of the actual existence of this satan character of yours. I am, however, less unconvinced of your ability to think logically or discuss rationally".
If a person is willing to say i am evil solely because of a philosophical disagreement then they have proven themselves to be more immoral than me.
Love you guys and love Matt Dillahunty. The difference between you all is that you guys are so chilling monotone I'm pretty sure you're smoking pot before your show. Which is awesome cuz it helps me fall asleep last night you have a very soothing voice
I would ask them if they had ever considered that they might be the victims of emotional bribery, which is all that Satan represents, ultimately.
Ask them if "god" spiritually bribes them or if the devil emotionally extorts them. Or vice versa. Leave them confused for a few hours, it will keep them occupied like a cat playing with a lazer light.I'm sure the people spared the door to door ministry will appreciate it.
Since satan doen't exist, it's not much of of a trick. Evil deities relieve us of responsibility for our own deeds, much as Jesus forgives. Moral tag team fights it out, we can sleep more easily
Many times I've had a few say to me, "why are atheists so unhappy"? My answer; that's easy. You're here bothering me!
"working for big broom" cracks me up
Now this is the reason I never talk religion with religious people
You used an analogy of a vacuum cleaner and the ad youtube put in the video was for a Dyson Vacuum. Thus proving god
DOGS AND CATS...LIVING TOGETHER...MASS HYSTERIA!
I had a sex offender tells me I'm going to hell because I'm not saved. I don't know how he thinks he's going to heaven. Does he really think his God forgave him and all is well? I don't get it. I don't understand why the churches are telling people no matter what you do just ask for forgiveness and be saved and you will be forgiven.
About as intelligent as saying:
"Do you worship Thor? No? Then you are under the influence of Thanos!"
"Do you believe in Batman? No? Then you must secretly worship the Joker!"
"Do you trust in Superman to save you? No? You are behaving exactly as Lex Luthor would want you to!"
Hi David from Charleston, SC. There is humanist group called Secular Humanist of the Low Country. Check them out if you dont know them yet.
WHY is it that whenever I try to watch a video about Atheism or Paganism, I have to watch like four Evangelical ads?
nooo... not under the influence of santa.
Michael Dennis lmfaooo yooo
Not santa deeeer noooo.
good heavens.....rearrange the letters and what do you get?
What's wrong with Santa? I think we'd be in a better place as a society if people believed in Santa into adulthood rather than Yahweh. Think about it. You get the whole Big Brother 'somebody is watching you so don't be a dick' element, but Santa has never been shown to hate anybody, and the worst possible punishment he has in store is a lump of coal. If you're going to believe in something obviously not real, I think Santa is a good one.
When people's beliefs of years are challenged it can be real threatening. I find people can turn on you real quick. Even my mother mocks me and uses my lack of any 'faith' against me when she can. Family and friends can be the most vicious when you don't agree with them.
I don't say that I'm not the devil; it gives them "evidence" that you believe a devil actually exists. I just suggest that emotions are getting a bit high, and that is not what I want to do, so we should just stop the discussion.
Use the phrase that i use. I your faith is so right, why then can it not stand up to a little scrutiny without the need for accusations and talking over me.
"Come now, did you really think you could get away with that one? Stick to farting in elevators. You have more chance of getting away with that!"