Why Sonic Forces Is Worse Than You Think
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Intro: (0:00)
The Story: (0:55)
Weird New Additions: (4:43)
The Soundtrack: (6:41)
Modern Sonic Gameplay: (8:02)
Classic Sonic Gameplay: (11:57)
The Rookie Gameplay: (13:30)
Shadow Gameplay: (15:20)
The Impact: (16:47)
Outro: (19:34)
End Screen: (20:46)
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Sonic 06 was the product of overambition and time crunch. Sonic Forces is the product of years of internal confusion, fear of backlash, and generally not having a passion for what they were producing. (And also overambition and time crunch.)
Sonic 06 has the skeleton of a great game and I genuinely appreciate it for what it could have been. But I can't see what Forces was trying to be at all cause it's so devoid of creativity.
They spent 3 years making concept art and a new engine how could they not have cared?
i love 06 its actually my favorite sonic game
@@jdawson7877 same!
@Welp i played all the 3d games and mania
@@eyalraz4045 dont be a jerk everyone has different opinions for examole i think colors is. A terrible excuse of a 3d sonic game but of people like it thats okay
Ign gave this game a higher score than unleashed and i will never forgive them for that
They what!?
Bullcrap!
Oh hell nah
I heard about that too, and ign calls themselves “the gamer reviewers” pfff yeah right, ign are terrible at reviewing most of the video games, including sonic games.
Arin Hanson likes Forces more than Mania. This game was not made for fans, it was made for detractors.
Apparently the "Tails has just lost it" is a pretty bad mistranslation, they meant to say they lost contact with Tails and that's it. "Tails has lost it" makes me think of him locked in an psychward completely insane throwing his feces at people
That actually makes a lot more sense now that I think about it...aside from the feces throwing stuff
Bad translations always seem to affect Sonic games, from the Adventure titles, to 06, to now, mis translations are always that thing that is really minor, but you can never stop it from bugging you.
@@hydrochloric007 that's why I watch the Japanese version of sonic forces on TH-cam which makes more sense than English version. Even though the English version is good but the mistanslation makes the Japanese version superior (that's my opinion)
If I knew how to speak Japanese I’d use that one
Have you ever heard of... NFTs???
"Sonic being tortured" or "Tails losing it" were translations "mistakes", they just added it to add tension
That was evidently a dumb idea
This whole game is a mistake.
@@Frost-nc1ho this game frustrates me to no end because i see potential in it. a world where eggman won, sonic is gone, and his friends try to pick up the pieces of the world they left behind is a genuinely brilliant idea for a plot. Instead, they didn't give a shit about it's story or gameplay. Leaving us with the most cynical, underdeveloped, piece of shit sonic game in memory.
I genuinely love this franchise, been through it's highs and lows. So I have absolute confidence in saying this is the objective lowest point in sonic's history. Bar none. If this becomes the new standard for this franchise, I'm not gonna play anymore of his games.
Sonic being tortured could have worked perfectly.
The Guy doesn't even Need to curl into a ball to homing Attack, so being weak and helped by others was his Only way to be saved
If they made that happen tho it probably would’ve had more of an intriguing story then the original
I agree. Borderline false advertising with the trailers. Showing Chaos and Shadow as if they were gonna be boss fights, they knew full well what they were doing.
U mighta noticed too how the gameplay videos would cut off the intros of the levels, hiding how short they were
@@Scroteydada do any of y’all name the sound name for 19:15? I really need it it sounds so catchy
@@eyusuki9631 th-cam.com/video/CyWCpFFovw0/w-d-xo.html
Gamma's theme is one of the best
Exactly, they even had the audacity to put Knux and Tails on the front cover (blatant Mania baiting) yet neither of them are playable nor do they positively contribute to the plot (one is a defenceless side-kick the other is a self-proclaimed "leader" that requires you to read a tie-in comic in order to explain why he is ignoring his guardian duties... again!).
The nostalgia baiting is one of the reasons why i never bought this game, since it felt cheap and like the devs didn't have any faith in their own game.
Game journalist: This is a game that only the Sonic fans will appreciate.
Sonic fans: We hate it. Even 06 is better.
Game journalism is trash now. YT only game reviewers are better
Hey I know this is random but do you know the sound name for 19:15?
@@eyusuki9631 Gamma theme from Sonic Adventure
@@eyusuki9631 song name
Although I’m a Sonic fan, but I loathe Forces so much, for it’s rotten to the core. Only 06 is better.
On the subject of the "torture" line, if they _really_ wanted Sonic to be unaffected, they could've just, I don't know, had the villains express frustration that nothing they tried was so much as making a dent in Sonic's confidence and optimism? Maybe that's why he's scheduled to be killed now, because they've given up trying to reduce him to a broken shell? But no, we don't even get _that_ much.
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Honestly not a bad idea
The fanbase can make a better story than sonic team, welp.
@@dragon-kun199 The fanbase also ruins the franchise as a whole, tho.
@@ninjanate5018 I did not know it would come to this but they are literally the only hope the franchise has. The sonic movie redesign was because of fan demand, and the movie has been extremely beneficial to the franchise. Sonic Mania came from fans, fan rewrites and character anaylises allows people to understand that the characters and stories were way better once.
Sonic Forces problem: Lack of ambition: Lack of heart: Lack of originality: Lack of confidence: Rushed development (even though it took forever to come out)
Agreed
Forces is unfinished. You can definitely tell in the final product
None of this really says anything. If every problem was addressed with literally nothing being pointed out like this then nothing would be solved.
I got something to say on the story bit. The lines saying Tails has lost it, and Sonic being tortured, those we're just mistranslations. Silver never says that Tails lost it, he actually says that Tails went missing. Knuckles doesn't say that Sonic was tortured, he actually says that Sonic was going through a living hell, not even joking, those are the exact words.
That first part I agree with, but "going through a living hell" is the same as being tortured in my book (though the type of torture varies, I think)
@@kaching7204 It could actually mean anything.
I mean
Being stuck in a jail while your mortal enemy starts destroying your world while you can't do a thing about it is probably a living hell
Still doesn't explain how relaxed sonic seems during his interactions with zavok
@@OriginalGameteer Well if you go back to the Last Story of the Storybook Series, you can see how traumatizing and painful it was because in SATSR, he experienced Shahra die then the World Rings entered Erazor Djinn's body becoming the monstrous Alf-Layla-Wa-Layla and what happens to Sonic is something that people need to remember, the World Rings of Rage, Hatred and Sadness enter his body as the energy consumes him and he legit yells to the top of his lung becoming Darkspine Sonic, that is unpleasant and painful on top of his life reaching its end because of the Flame of Judgement, that is literally one reason why Sonic looking fine and healthy is not actually wrong but I know the way he spoke is just wrong, he could've said something more honest and truthful like "Heh I've been through worse and almost died, oh wait I did but nobody remembers it." and before you say, yes Sonic does remember because he reminds Elise of him with a fragment thanks to Solaris with a gust of wind but she still has to forget the memories and he leaves never to come back, it's the same time they began at but only Sonic and Elise were with Solaris in his true form, he gave them a glimpse of the past so they know more and this was important for a decision Elise needed to make, people think their relationship is romantic but Sonic is the one who helps Elise make the sacrifice and she accepts, doing what he wants her to do because as a friend, she understands it's not important if Sonic doesn't feel the same she does.
Sometimes I wonder whether the VAs question the logic of these lines, especially if it’s due to a mistranslation
Sonic unleashed for switch
Yesssssssssssssssir!
@I Love Farts 2 I mainly want Sonic Unleashed on steam. If they port it to switch, they will probably port it everywhere else.
The name for the first 3 boost game s sonic acceleration trilogy/super sonic trilogy. Improvements super sonic for unleashed and revamped Werehog levels change, fix first phase for final boss, and add online multiplayer for custom stages for day time and night time and a Werehog battle also all of these changes will add 1080p to 4k textures 60fps this part 1 of my changes because I'm tired sorry.
Jeremiah Evans all they need to do is remake colors thats all and don’t even touch the other because they look good
Sonic has such a huge backlog I wish they did an adventure trilogy with heroes and boost but also storybook and the sega all-stars duology. And 06 for the 06 fans. I'd buy all of that. Surely it can't be that hard to port a games from a decade ago.
I hope this next game has *actually* been in development in for 3-4 years.
Telling you now, it started development, in early 2020 and it’s probably gonna be crap.
@@TGM_Productions Where is it said that development started in 2020? Also whose to say that it's coming out in 2021? It's release date hasn't even been announced yet.
@@gustavferreira627
I know, it just seems very likely to me that’ll happen.
My dude I got bad news
There was no sonic game in development if no story writers or voices
@@ToonCatTV the fuck?
When it says "tails has just lost it" I'm pretty sure it is supposed to be translated as tails has got lost but it got mistranslated.
Same with Sonic being “tortured for months.”
@@SilverSpireZ what was it supposed to say?
@@gamestar6479 it was just him being imprisoned, if I remember correctly.
@@SilverSpireZ to be honest that's a much better thing to say rather than he was tortured for six months, at least then they wouldn't look like they're trying so hard to be edgy and daro especially when they have nothing to show for it
Super kid genius Tails got Lost. Wow he really is a kid. Unless your trying to say Tails went Missing than Okay I believe that.
Serious ≠ Edgy
Serious = Compelling
Shadow in a nutshell
@@hydrochloric007 exactly. Shadow when he’s serious is compelling. Shadow when he’s “serious” is edgy
@@donathan2933 remember when sonic characters had motives?
Yes.
Watch dogs was edgy and serious and it turned out to be an awesome game.
Honestly everyone rags on Forces for not having the drift. But it's so much more than that, so many aspects and mechanics of Generations and Unleashed gameplay are gone. It lacks drift, fluid acceleration and smooth controls, non-broken air boost, the hop, the air dash, the slide is barely used throughout the game, the wall jump (thrown in at the last second which reeks of "oh yeah we have this mechanic" poor planning), water running, light dash (as sonic), quick step is dysfunctional and finnicky and context sensitive like in Colours, and lack of in stage obstacles like the trick ramps, four way cannons, bombs, moveable boxes, moving spikes, the spring pole (no longer responds to where you are on the pole, it shoots you up even if you're not on the end), no switches for puzzle elements, no eggman springs (in a game where he's taken over the world!).
Compared to gens, it's just a lot less competently programmed, and has a lot less content and mechanics which makes the level design less interesting.
Barley the slide wasn't used at all at first i didn't even know it was in the game
sonic unleashed was the best sonic game
quick step was fine in colors honestly.
It doesn't have drift?!?! Yep, any boost Sonic game without drift sucks.
@@alceratops6853 It literally turns Sonic FOR you. Completely automated... So bad.
there has been reports that the writers from colors - forces have left at the same time the current cast has left
Hey i know this is random but do you know the sound name for 19:15 ?
@@eyusuki9631 that’s sonic adventure - theme of gamma
@Elijah Baker Sad theme :(
that's a good thing. Pontac and Graff are atrocious writers
@@donathan2933 The best part is that these two losers don't work on Sega anymore after the 2020 Sonic Movie.
"Tails has lost it" was a translation error, its kinda like: "tails went missing"
Yeah, that just goes to show how little effort they put in to even translate it right, considering how different the context becomes when its said :/
Yeah they easily could’ve changed it to “ tales not acting like himself or that he has lost confidence in himself. That easily could’ve made a decent plot line with tails searching for sonic while regaining his confidence.
I prefer 06 over Forces because atleast 06 tried despite being really bad, Forces just played safe and hoped for okay reviews.
Yeah. Besides, everything that could’ve gone wrong, did go wrong during ‘06’s development. It’s a shame, really. If they had extended the deadline and circumstances weren’t so unfortunate, ‘06 would’ve been amazing.
@@Tr4ns1st0r The issues with the story would still exist. That's not something extra dev time could fix.
@@Kingdom850 I will admit, there were multiple plot holes and things I would change in the story, but the overall game wouldn’t have been as much of a train wreck.
@@Tr4ns1st0r true, at worst there would have been some level design issues but nothing too major.
@@Kingdom850 yeah
Made some really good points here. Sonic 06 actually had level design. Personally I love the ost, but sonic forces was honestly worse than sonic 06.
This.
too few people point this out, even the previous "worst sonic game" had actual "gameplay" and "level design"
there was actually stuff to do.
@SkyTech RTS None of them are worthy of "the worst game EVER" They both have redeeming qualities (more-so with 06) so why do people say 06 is the worst game ever?
@@hydrochloric007 it's easy bugs, glitches, silver's gameplay, shadow vehicules, sonic's history, elise, realistic humans, the fps, etc, etc, etc.
For me 06 is a good game it's enjoiable and has difficulty which the last one lacks on the game's of today of the blue blurr, 06 just needs new grafics, new physics, a better sonic story, and that's it you've got a new and improved 06 :/
also make silver have the boost from the cgi scene at the start of his story for the love of solaris, in his levels his speed it's ok but for the rest of the things in the game, it's just hell re-incarnated on a character speed
Your right that Forces is way worse than 06 👍
You mean to tell me that JUST because of bad writing and inexperienced development, Forces is deemed worse than 06? Forces wasn’t NEARLY as bad as 06, most people are overreacting.
I'm still annoyed that both Chaos and Shadow were the boss fights I was most looking forwards to.
And that "Sonic is alive" is a text box that appears like 30 seconds after sonic "dies"
I agree, but I am more annoyed how the fights were handled in the end. Like, why do they go down in one hit? Were they really too cheap to animate a good scene?
That's why mods exist
@@proridinggamers396 Not even mods can save this shit game.
Oh sure, make a boss fight for zavok cUz losT wOrlD......
What EVEN is the point od the deadly six?.......
@@veggsbacon1891 Nothing but pandering.
Remember when we thought Bubsy would be in the game?
You mean he's not?
Hey do you know the sound name for 19:15?
@@eyusuki9631 It is Gamma's theme from Sonic Adventure
I agree with most things in this video but I will mention one thing I feel isn't done justice:
100% Sonic Forces does NOT look as good as the previous Hedgehog Engine Sonic games, this much is true, but I HAVE to say I don't think that's because the newer Hedgehog Engine is worse, but because the team that used it simply wasn't competent enough like the last teams. Sonic Generations and Sonic Colours had some amazing talent and art directors working with them to make things pop, colours stand out and the general presentation of the levels were outstanding. By the looks of things in Forces, we've basically been left with a new set of people who have no clue how a Sonic game should look or feel. The reason I defend the new engine is because Sega's other game "Sakura Wars" also uses that same engine and I have to say it looks clean, it looks flashy and gorgeous, I like it quite a lot.
I think this is more a "blame the artist, not the art supplies" moment.
Any professional artist will tell you that in most cases (unless the engine is straight up broken) that there is no such thing as a "bad paint brush" or pencil or whatever. When you're creative and you know how to work with lights and darks, saturations and shadows; there's no such thing as a tool that's so bad it becomes an obstacle. You just work with it and sometimes get even better results because you took advantage of those kinks.
Anyway, I went off on an analogy tangent for some reason because I don't actually think it's a bad engine anyway. I know you didn't really call it bad but the comparison came up with the past games and I just thought it was worth pointing out that there's already at least good example of the engine being used in a worthwhile situation.
I still don't see how anyone with a functioning brain can say this game looks worse than previous games. That objectly untrue. Get a new pair of eyes PLEASE. Yes the art style isn't as favourable as unleashed. And the lighting is kinda funny. But the level if detail in the levels and the smooth models of characters is actually breath taking for a sonic game. We have never seen it on that level before.
Do I really have to get screenshots of Unleashed, Generations and Forces side by side just to prove this?
@@dreamcastdazia4753 No, because the majority of people think otherwise. You're not special for having a different opinion.
@@AkameGaKillfan777 So what? We just LET the majority win? Even though most of them are nostalgic fans who are STILL upset about not getting Adventure 3?
@@ninjanate5018 I like how you bring up nostalgia, when the topic involves the overprotected and over glorified Platinum Games rip-off with a few action-platforming stages on the side that is Unleashed.
Adventure fans are nostalgia blind? Don't make me laugh. I see so many people jack off Unleashed like God sent it down from the heavens to grant their every wish. "You're just a hater if you don't like the game! It's not bad, it's just different! People can't handle change! Why doesn't this game get more!? You're only a Sonic fan if you like every game in the series!" No, I'm not exaggerating, I've seen all these and more countless times and it makes me want to vomit.
I like how the dipshit above you omitted how shoddy the framerate is in this "objectively better" looking game, completely avoiding the fact that low capped fps games that constantly lag can be eye-straining to look at. No other game that uses Hedgehog Engine 1 has this problem, and it's not a console issue if Lost World can run at a smooth 60fps on Wii U compared to Unleashed's inconsistent 30fps, which didn't improve until OVER A DECADE LATER.
Classic fans aren't this annoying. Adventure fans aren't this annoying. Heroes fans aren't this annoying. Advance fans aren't this annoying. Rush fans aren't this annoying. Riders fans aren't this annoying. Storybook fans aren't this annoying. Not even fans of Colors and Generations are annoying. ALL OF THEM have plenty of fair criticism most people are aware of.
But Unleashed? How dare I see it as anything less than a "perfect masterpiece that needs more love"? If I have even the smallest issue with it, I deserve to be ostracized and blacklisted from the community, right? Maybe toss in a crucifixion for good measure, just to be safe.
@@AkameGaKillfan777 Maybe I just worded it wrong.
Sonic forces is not a 3D game, it's a 2D game with 3D sections like colors, but shit.
That's actually true. This game was made by the same game director as colours and lost world. He is really good at making 2D sections so that was why there was so much of it. Sonic Colours level design was better and not bad like Forces because they added the wisps to fill the gap of repetitive and empty level design.
@@Matthasnocuts The wisps (or wispons) in forces however are completely unnecessary and don't add anything besides like a single shortcut in the level.
@@Mars-zv4ky Well in the archie comic they use the wispons pretty well and they had a cool concept
@@itsgrey8135 haven't read the comics so I was mainly judging the game. Pretty sure the writers of the comics actually do a damn good job at working with the hands they've been given in terms of what sonic team does.
@@Mars-zv4ky i mean the wispons were good ideas and do add some replay value. But the execution was awful. I managed to get through with just the burst since it’s one of the few wispons that actually do damage
sonic being tortured and tails "losing it" was just edgy translators, don't blame the writers
what was it originally
@@ciromoriello7054 i mean it was just basic, sonic is captured, we don't know where tails is.
The story still is bad though
Translators? I thought the writers were already English-speaking people. Aren't they still the people behind Happy Tree Friends?
@@MarkerMurker The people who wrote this game's script and story were the Japanese writers. The English dub/script was mistranslated in some areas and was modified a bit to try and make it more _edgy_ and _serious._
The Japanese script is *LEAGUES* better than what we got. Major differences include...
-The implication that Shadow "brutally murdered all the members of Squad Jackal" (with the exception of Infinite, of course)
-Several characters (Specifically Sonic, Knuckles, and Infinite) swear.
(In Sonic and Knuckles' case, they both insult Infinite by calling him a "prick." In Infinite's case, he says that he'll send everyone to Hell before spawning the Sun or something like that.)
-Sonic states that literally nothing happened to him while he was locked up, instead of _"bEiNg ToRtUrEd FoR sIx MoNtHs"_
-Silver says that they lost _communication_ with Tails, instead of, _"TaIlS hAs JuSt LoSt It."_ Although, that was a mistranslation, that's still Sonic Team/SEGA's fault for letting that slide instead of correcting it. Can't even bother to translate their own scripts correctly.
I kid you not!!!! When I Purchased this game a week after release date the cashier warned me about the purchase, because he heard bad things about it. I wish I did more research 😂😂😂
My biggest issue is that Sonic Forces doesn't know what it wants to be.
Does it want to be this post apocalyptic gritty story? If so then why is almost everything so light hearted when Modern Sonic returns?
What exactly was Classic Sonic's role? Yeah it's implied that he got to that world beating the Phantom King and Dr. Robotnik, but if that is truly the case....where the heck are Classic Sonic's chaos emeralds? There is no way that he does not have them but yet Classic Sonic cannot go super.
Another issue I have is Infinite. They basically were hinting at the fact that Infinite (With the Phantom Ruby inside of him) is basically a Super Form. The guy can warp reality, fly, and do all sorts of crazy illusions....yet normal Modern Sonic is able to beat him. Then there's that Death Egg Robot. That is NOT the Death Egg Robot. It should've been called "Death Egg Hydra". Also the Death Egg Robot had the REAL phantom ruby the whole time, so it can do everything Infinite did. AND YET THERE WAS STILL NO NEED FOR THE SUPER TRANSFORMATION?! That Ruby can bring the dang SUN to the planet making it one of the most powerful gems that was created, but somehow the Death Egg Robot could "overclock" the Phantom Ruby.
Also, WHY THE HECK IS SILVER HERE?! Did they just forget that Silver comes from the future? Yeah his future is safe now but did he have someone rebuild the Time Machine from Eggman's base in Crisis City? I didn't mind Silver in Generations because Time Travel was a huge factor in it, but Silver being here is just dumb!
SEGA has been guilty of the "Tell, don't show" type of storytelling since Sonic X and Heroes.
Forces doesn't feel like a real Sonic game, it felt like a parody of a Sonic game.
Exactly, Everything was freaking lie and a joke a terrible joke
Absolutely agreed. This is not a revival. This is poor-man's SatAM made to pander to Classic, Modern fans and non-fans altogether. SEGA can't do that.
Sonic Forces = Sonic Boom: Rise of Lyric
Delphox? Respect.
*Sonic forces doesn't feel like a real game
fixed :)
@@KaiserMattTygore927 it's not a game to begin with if it's doesn't give you Fun like any Sonic Game suppose to do or it's doesn't have Good Plot like any Sonic Story you would expect
Sonic 06 had some sebalence of a good game with intresting level design and a story that has so much potential with stages that challnge you to get better and when you do get better a beat that stage you feel actual accomplishment although it was glitchy and buggy. In sonic 06 you can honestly feel passion put in the game and while not done properly it was still there. Meanwhile in sonic forces land the game plays itself, there is a mediocre soundtrack, a terrible story that felt rushed, and gameplay mechanics that were not explored far enough. I would rather choose to play a game that FORCES me to get better instead of a game where you just hold x.
This sums up my feeling on both games
I completely agree. I favor in 06, even though it has some glitches and bug infestation, but they actually tried something new. Unlike Forces, it’s the same thing from Colors.
@Phantom Dweller So true. Forces has lied to me and this is the last time I ever place my preorders for a newer Sonic games, for they have been getting stale lately.
As much as I hate Forces, I love the soundtrack of that game
People also tend to just talk about modern when it come to gameplay, but can we also acknowledge the fact that Classic Sonic is also butchered? He doesn't come close to his Generations self, and much less his Mania version. Not to mention that the level design itself sucks, so the fact that he doesn't play good makes it even worse. Modern at least plays and works as he always did.
06 when rushed : a fun but glitchy game. Forces when rushed :a bland non glitchy game
Sonic Forces is glitchy, but the automation hides it. Just look at the f*cking acceleration
@@hydrochloric007 its fucking shit
@@hydrochloric007 i think thats just the shitty physics but i hate it too, its so jarring going from jog to full speed sprint in like 2 seconds
Fans: Why can't we have a Sonic game where you have full 3D control, variety with the gameplay/other characters to play as and a compelling epic story where the characters can develop in new situations?
Takashi Izuka: Shut the fuck up.
I have a lot of respect for Izuka and I don't think that this was his mindset. He tried to please everyone in a short amount of time. According to the critics, he didn't completely fail. He realized his mistake and he will fix it in the 30th anniversary.
@@Matthasnocuts I agree too, I was just trying to make a stupid joke, but I respect Izuka for his efforts, without him there wouldn't be Sonic Adventure or Sonic 3. I'm just not a big fan of what the direction was taken for the series since 2010, it's good hearing that he will try to fix those mistakes but this "Meta" era has been going on for so long that I worry that the 30th anniversary will pick up some of its habits, like having some sort of genesis Sonic aesthetic, or continue to use the butchered personalities that the characters have been having since the start of this era. It just hurts seeing what my favorite childhood series has become.
Iizuka be like: haha wisps and classic sonic go brrrr
Imagine having 3D control in a 3D game.
Frontiers.
The fact that you don’t get to fight Chaos and Shadow, still pisses me off to this day. Freaking Zavok got a boss battle over two of the most awesomest villains (well... former) of the Franchise. Why couldn’t we fight all 4? What is the whole point of having Shadow and especially Chaos clones, if we can’t even fight them? 😡😡😡😡😡😡😡😡😡😡😡😡😡😡😡
Basically what ur saying is Sonic forces should be so much more then what it is now.
@@LimitlessZspeed yes, that's is what most everyone has been saying here
@@dippykimbus6894 but after that game Awards showing Sonic The Hedgehog 2 and Sonic Frontiers. I have new hopes!💙🌀
@@LimitlessZspeed we didn't see much beyond CGI but I desperately hope this is the end of the meta era
Pontac and graff are GONe!!!! Though so that's something
Yeah the “from the team who brought you generations and colors” was nothing more than a lie. Looking at the credits it shows only 3 people who worked on the level design. One of them had only worked on lost world before this game and the other 2 were fresh recruits. Yeah no one from the level design department was from either of these 2 teams
The only reason they said that is because Sonic Team is still called Sonic Team, but at the time of making this comment, I think it's called Sonic Studio now? I thinks its now in the USA? I think that was from a random Australian article idk
Maybe most of the developers from Colors and Generations just up and quit after Forces was announced. Still disappointing tho.
Do I even need to bring up Tails' behaviour? I've never played this game, but all I have to say is:
*TAILS IS NOT A COWARD.*
God, I hope that the 2021 games fix this problem...
How about you read the comics, tails is really good there and all of that stuff is canon.
It's like they forgot about all the character development he went through sa1 and sa2. Heck, they forgot about every character true personality, and the writers don't understand the franchise.
@@HeavyRaiden I guess unleashed tails being scared to weak ass enemies never happened
@@saiqa7130 Well, you are right about that, we could say it was the start of the coward Tails, or Meta Tails, but at least he helped in that game, you know, he was still a sidekick to Sonic.
I know it’s been 2 years since the comment, but Frontiers PROMISES that Tails won’t be a coward at the very least, in a long time.
Completely agree dude. Forces was a huge disappointment from every single angle and it's honestly just really damn sad. I could on a rant rn but I won't. I already made a vid about Forces on my channel as well.
Hi
That moment when a sonic game in 2008 looks and plays better then a game in 2017
1:47 It's important to note that Forces wasn't written by Pontaff, but rather a level designer at Sonic Team who had no prior experience writing stories. However, Pontaff still did the localization, adding all sorts of unnecessary details (The JP script simply says that Tails's whereabouts are unknown, not that "he's lost it", and it's never stated that Sonic was tortured) and making the script ten times more cringeworthy than it originally was.
So glad Ian Flynn is writing the story for Frontiers.
@@ninjanate5018 I'm still having doubts, given his track record of his treatment of Modern Sonic based stories.
@@robbiewalker2831 He's trying to work around Sega Mandates like how he avoids writing for Shadow
When your boss makes you do a new job but you don't know how. So you f it up and they'll never ask again 😆.
I used to be indifferent towards Forces but now I think I just hate it. There's no excuse for this level of mediocrity. 4 years of development and they spend 3 of them dicking around on an engine that doesn't even feel any different from unleashed, which came out in 2008, and then spend the last year hastily cobbling together a watered-down sonic generations for forty bucks on what's supposed to be an anniversary title. I'm tired of incompetent management and I'm tired of "not that bad" or just "ok" being the standard measure for sonic games. I want a good game for crying out loud. I don't know what's difficult about making a game where it's fun to control sonic in a 3d environment with good level design and a competently written storyline. And /I just don't get why everyone is so hyped about the next game when time and time again, sega has proven that they just aren't capable of doing this anymore. They need to learn to give a shit and treat their mascot with some respect, or just give the reigns to a developer that cares like Insomniac. Sega is not impressing me.
100% agreed.
Remember when slopes and ramps existed in Sonic games? I do.
Remember when the fans actually CARED about Sonic? I do.
@@ninjanate5018 We always cared for Sonic.
@@chaozsheep Really? Then why do you hate every single thing that this franchise has given you?
@@ninjanate5018 I don't hate ANYTHING this franchise have, not even the bad things, and also saying something bad from Sonic IS actually caring for the franchise, because that helps Sonic Team know what they should do to Sonic to be better, so technically, we always cared for Sonic, those who say just stupid shit are not real fans.
I can see why Forces was rated better than 06. Game reviewers (and many gamers) like to have as little resistance to beating a game as possible. They often misattribute challenge to bad game design.
Sonic 06 is a bad game but it’s bad in a way that impedes your progress. You’ll die sometimes (even when it’s not your fault) and you generally have to be more present to experience the badness of it all. With Forces, you can turn your brain off. At least the badness isn’t demanding you pay attention to it.
Only time I see difficult get excused as being intentional is when the game lays out that it is going to be hard in marketing. Cuphead and souls like games are known to be hard but for then it's intentional but for a game that doesn't lay out it will be difficult it's unintentionally. Like wtf
The worst thing about Sonic Forces was the potential it had, it wasn't rushed. It had a starting point for a story that could have been great, it had a villain shrouded in secrets with fans having great theories and potential plotlines for who he might be, it was promised to be from the people who made Generations and it was full of hype right until the actual release. It couldn't and shouldn't have failed and it still did.
It was rushed tho. And that is clearly visible. The game was just not ready, but they were told by the higherups that they have to finish up to polish it properly for release.
@@lpfan4491 what is "clearly visible" is not a rushed game but a half-assed one. if it was rushed we would have seen more clipping or glitches or things not working the way they are supposed to. but with Forces we see... nothing, just a bunch of straight roads with no sign of level design or effort.
@@sharzinlalebazri5673 What I mean is not "clearly visible" from the outside, but rather "clearly visible" from the inside. One stage is repeated like three times between modern sonic and avatar with the same storyframing, there are pieces of leveldesign in the gamedata straight up not accessable in the finished game, there are levels that got altered to be less complex and in some cases were even split into many shorter stages just to make the levelcount higher.
It is an entirely new kind of rushing a game that I would call "Finishing before even starting". They clearly just cut off the work of the devteam so that they polish the game to purge the bugs and rough edges, but at the cost of the game not being any good.
The leveldesign and story would still be bad if they were allowed to actually make the full game that they wanted to make, but it would be less catastrophic than whatever this is.
@@lpfan4491 in that case I can see yoir point.
But it was rushed. For they couldn’t even come up with a new final boss fight in Forces rather than copy the same thing from Colors final fight.
This game was suppose to rival Super Mario Odyssey? Because if that's true, then Forces did a pretty lousy job at it.
No, people just like to keep wars between their series going.
The rivalry is gone. I actually like the return of it in concept because it shakes stuff up and has the potential of preventing either series from stagnating. The bigger issue is that Sonic does a piss job at doing the mario.
The sonic and mario rivalry is dead and buried
@@EA-bv8zkleave that stuff in the 90s, where advertisements were actually good.
GOLD DIGGIN' BOI unlike the nightmare grub hub ad
The reason why 06 was reviewed so bad is because it was longer and was a broken mess that was impossible to review favourably, Forces is Techincally sound and was patched pretty fast and was also over in one or two sittings allowing for reviewers to just fart out a review without seeing to many of the flaws that deeper analysis will show, surface level reviews are all we got for forces from "Journalists" and apathy from the actual fanbase.
People who were never Sonic fans to begin with
At least, 06 is a “so bad it’s fun games”
@@alonsomoyano9278 this is true to some point, but not everyone wants to see how badly they can break a game, that said more games need to be breakable.
If Sonic 06 hadn't "failed" (i love the game), SEGA wouldn't be scared to do things such as make Dark Stories and more playable characters. SEGA should find what they did wrong in 06 and try to correct it. They used to be so great...
Their last good sonic games were Sonic unleashed, sonic generations, and sonic mania
@@mitcheldxdyt6726 And sonic mania is mostly a fan project, so the last good sonic team game was 11 years ago.
@@ptanker9236 I was just giving them that ass a freebie
Honestly it’s kinda sad because they were so ambitious but since it fell flat like really hard it’s like they took it to heart & just never wanted to take anymore risks again.
@@mitcheldxdyt6726 Mania wasn't even developed by them though. They just supervised it. The last good Sonic game developed by Sonic Team was Generations back in 2011.
There are 3 plot points that need to be explained in the next game.
1. Where did Sonic go and maybe a more detailed reason for why he left.
2. What happened to every location after the war?
3. Where is Eggman and will he be the antagonist of the next game?
no shit, eggman WILL be the antagonist of the next game, he has always been.
@@itryan9962 Idiot he wasn’t the antagonist for Sonic and the secret ring or Sonic and the black night. Second of all he’s still in space so they could have him stay there for the next couple of games
@@itryan9962 And he wasn’t the antagonist of Sonic Boom rise of lyric, shattered crystal, fire and ice, and if you want to include Shadow the Hedgehog
This is the only Sonic game that I’ve played that I genuinely did not like.
Sonic 3 & Knuckles of you never played, your welcome.
The thing that bothers me most about Sonic Forces is the characters. Each one feels like a watered-down version of themselves. Sonic, for example, is just "cool". That's his one and only personality trait. Remember in Sonic Unleashed, where he spent time making sure villagers were okay and stopped to help a random chibi demigod? Where he was allowed to feel sadness and embarrassment, and have character flaws? He still was cool - check the opening cutscene if you don't believe me - but that wasn't his entire identity.
Tails has been treated so poorly, I physically cannot express my disappointment. He's gone from a hero in his own right, able to stand on his own two feet, to cowering in fear of Chaos 0. Yes, that's right, Chaos 0. Who is exceedingly less powerful than the Chaos he fought in the Adventure days.
But the character that hurts the most to see like this, to me, is Silver. I absolutely adore Silver's character, both his design and his sweet, adorkable personality. I loved him in 06, because of his endless optimism and unwavering sense of justice. To see him in this game was huge, since Sega likes to pretend 06 never happened.
And one of his first lines was, "I'm an optimist, but I'm also a realist. Sonic is gone, Amy."
*NO.* Just no. That is *NOT* Silver. He never once simply accepted his future fighting Iblis forever, but kept thinking of more. He was devoted to creating a better future, even if it meant living with the monster sealed in himself forever. Even if it meant he could never cry, just like Elise. When Sonic was killed by Mephiles, he was the one to encourage everyone not to give up. He was the spark of hope that invigorated the group to attempt to save Sonic.
You cannot tell me that same adorable cinnamon roll is the one telling Amy that Sonic is dead, and they need to move on and give up hope in the blue blur ever returning. That is absolute garbage. It's a very similar situation to 06, where Sonic is believed to be dead, but Silver's character is so off the mark. It genuinely hurts to see such a good character wasted like this.
I truly hope Sega gets their sh*t together and either tries harder to care about these characters, or find new people who have passion to pour into the franchise. Thank you for coming to my TED talk. :)
They've been like that since Colors when everything changed to what we have right now. As a game Colors is a good one, but when it comes to the characters....yeah even if the change was nice for something different at the time it has stuck around way too long.
I hope you’re happy to hear that Ian Flynn is writing the next Sonic Game.
This is just my opinion, but... another problem with the rookie, is that the customisations for him/her were just too little and simple. I mean, 3 options for each species? And each one looked really boring. The oc was also the attraction to the game. But they put little to no effort in the customisations (not counting what you add) of the rookie. I mean, Sega, you could've at least added more options for each species. Heck, you could've at least made the choices look better too. But instead we just got boring, simple, lazy designs and little choices. That's a waste of character creating potential.
IM SO HAPPY IM NOT THE ONLY ONE WHO FEELS THIS WAY!
Between the many scrapped species (including foxes yet somehow hedgehogs and cats are allowed???), few options for ears, different color options for the same accessories being treated like different accessories altogether (instead of giving them color options like for the fur and body, thus giving more space for new different accessories), and how IMPOSSIBLY bare your character starts (really, your belly is the flat colour of your fur. At least give me options, game)...
yea, I'd agree with that.
This has been kinda overlooked but the Japanese version of the story states that tails was "missing" and that he didn't lose it and that sonic was just imprisoned and not tortured. But of course that doesn't mean much when the English writers are absolute asshats. It makes a bit more sense at least with that, but the story still sucks.
They tried embracing the dark and edgy tones of the game, chill out.
@@professionalfangster1510 I'm chill, if it came across that way then I apologise.
@@professionalfangster1510 What about his comment wasn't "chill"?
Sonic 06 may have been bad
But least they gave Shadow and Silver a great story
Sonic.... Yeah not so much.
Sonic Forces DLC for Shadow? It felt like they actually made it better than modern Sonic’s level despite how short the DLC is
SONIC IS MARIO! LITERALLY!!
@@yanmanuel4827 wut
The biggest reason why Sonic Forces failed in my opinion was in its lack of focus. SEGA didn't know what Sonic fans they wanted to appeal to because they were scared shitless about making another 06' and just decided to add everything into the game to appeal to every Sonic fan in the market in the most shallow and one note way possible.
You got the Classic 2D gameplay, Modern boost gameplay, elements of Adventure, and having a serious story like with the 2000's Sonic games while also making it silly and lighthearted like the 2010's games. It isn't possible to appeal every Sonic fan in the world with just one game unless you have a clear and creative vision for it.
The reason why Mania was such a success was because it knew what it wanted to be and was confident in what it wanted to be even if it didn't appeal to every Sonic fan. Forces wanted to appeal to everyone, but ended up appealing to no one.
I 100% agree!
Amen.
elements of adventure?
uh...
where?
@@KaiserMattTygore927 Chaos and music of SA2 mixed into the game.
Don’t blame tbh
No offence
im pretty sure the tails losing it and sonic being tortured lines are really poor mistranslations or additions from the original script which makes it funnier
This game kinda also, I feel, made fan made mods infinitely more appealing. When fans show off Overclocked, which shows how level designs should be in modern Sonic games, it paints quite the picture. The next Sonic game needs to show that it isn't a budget title.
That’s because the fans have the luxury of seeing the criticisms and reactions of the audience towards the game, and thus are able to specifically Taylor the game to tick every nitpicky checkbox that the fans want. Or as I call it, blowing smoke up their ass
The fact that i pre ordered this game makes me feel like the dumbest human being alive
Ur not alone I fell for the hype from sonic fans never do that again
I fell for the hype and pre-ordered the game TWICE (once on PC and again on Switch, and did the same with Mania). Needless to say, I’m not falling for it again.
Simple. Never ever pre-order again.
You're not alone. I made the same mistake.
I bought this game week 1 without looking at reviews or gameplay first, so you and I arent that different :/
The story beats where Sonic was ranting about the power of friendship with some random dude who he's never met before just was so cringe.
They also need to get rid of Classic Sonic entirely. I'm tired of calling Sonic "Modern Sonic" because of forced (ha!) attempts at nostalgia.
The only part i disagree is the soundtrack.
Music is more subjective than anything in my opinion. Thers a reason you don't see that many music critics.
Fist Bumb and Infinite were pretty good!
The soundtrack is fine. There’s some good tracks, but it could be a lot better.
If you guys want a reason to want the current writers gone one of the writers ken pontac create the show bump in the night & there are two episodes called made in japan 1&2 & pontac wrote the teleplay for the second one & both probably have some offensive stuff for Japanese people.
everybody: hates Sonic Forces
Matt: Why Sonic Forces Is Worse Than You Think
everybody: click
I honestly think that the music, graphics and voice acting was ok at best. Gameplay was below average, and level design was bad. But to me the biggest flaw is the story. From tone, contrivances, general stupidity and bad execution, the plot is the biggest downfall. I noticed that the game tried to link in every single level as being important to the overall story and having an effect, but since the story is so batshit insane, the levels seem even more random. There are no stakes, no arcs, some characters add absolutely nothing to the game whatsoever, it’s just straight up shit. It sounds crazy saying that the plot of all things is what ruined a Sonic game, but when a game revolves itself around a hilariously bad story, it will all fall apart
obviously the story is shit, and it’s not the first time that’s been the case. but my biggest gripe? it took like three hours to finish the game. and it was easy as fuck. say what you will about the werehog levels in Unleashed, but they were not easy. they took time. it just wasn’t a very engaging game at all. and that’s why i’m at a point where i don’t really mind some of the slower-paced Sonic games all that much.
We went from Generations to Forces. Why and how? But most of all, why?? It was kinda fun first play through until I realized how bad it was.
Sonic forces is NOT fun. At all.
And honestly, I’d rather play Sonic Boom than forces
come on sonic forces haters report time!!!!!
I tried to like it but I cant finished. Its too boring and easy were my brain just melts to a puddle and I die from not paying attention
it has more polish and stability than 06 but far less artistic ambition. If 06 didn't break in every level it would be better than this.
06 was an uncooked meal from a restaurant that made people sick, while forces was a bland burger from a fast food place. you can see why people had a worse experience coming out the restaurant.
I'll take janky games over polished nothingness.
I like your analogy
Let's all hope the next Sonic game will be good and way better than forces.
"Sonic Forces is worse than Sonic '06"
Is that someone I share an opinion with? Finally.
Room for one more?
@@ShadwSonic Room for another?
Sonic Forces is the worst game in recent Sonic history, if not the whole franchise.
Sonic 06, despite being an awful glitchfest, had potential. The Sonic Boom games (at the time of Lost World) didn't figure out their way and ended up as unoriginal and glitchy as well (speaking of Rise of Lyric), and they were developed by a questionable third party developer.
Sonic Forces is worse than those two games combined because it had zero reasons to be bad : they were made by the Sonic Team and the game is running just fine. The level design was just uninventive, the physics was bad, probably too stiff, and the story ended up being more questionably bad than 06. I know this one plotline is awful, but who's in with me to think that Elise's kiss is not as bad as Tails being an utter coward (when we know he's more courageous and more capable than what he is in Forces) and the story not pushing further with its initial ideas? This is unexcusable !
I STOP YOU RIGHT THERE!!! Poor Big Red Button nearly become BANKRUPT becouse of SEGA stupit Fan Rules. These Guys wanted to make a good game but SEGA is "No and make it for the WII U".
@@tommurchuis5464 "1 year production of coding and making the game
3 year of making a universal engine"
Bad time management is 100% not an excuse.
"Sonic forces is NOT A bad game
A game that had potential but failed due to time restraints and shit"
Absolutely a bad game in pretty much every way.
"You are one simple minded kid man
Go to physical school"
Quit insulting people just because they don't act like this game is their fucking girlfriend.
Sonic 06 may be a glichy unfinished mess, but at least it had passion. It was just rushed because of Sega
13:40 You have my applause and respect for not stooping down to the level of many other creators by taking a jab at Sonic DeviantART creations and such. I hate that kind of comedy, all it does is make the franchise in question look even more like a joke to outsiders and it causes bullying towards the artists of said creations.
People need to learn that just by mentioning sonic cringe, you aren't funny, you're just desperate for likes and have a low bar for actual comedy. You avoided this. For that, you get a like and a subscription.
Love your Unleashed video by the way
Thanks man, I appreciate the sub! I personally think the avatar had the most potential out of all of the sonic gimmicks. The sonic community is very creative and they put their heart into a lot of creations like art, OC's, fan games, fan comics, etc. The gimmick was directed towards the fan base and I thought that was really cool for Sega to do, too bad the gameplay wasn't good though. :(
It’s such a shame, the avatar is such a compelling idea, especially for people like me that enjoy making and customizing stuff. Also, nothing wrong with making fan art
You are way too easy to please, that it’s sad.
The happy meal joke is the most true comment I have ever heard for sonic forces
Hey Ik this is random but do you remember the name for this sound 19:15?
@@eyusuki9631 the music? That’s E-102’s theme from Sonic Adventure
One of the weakest points for me is Infinite’s Story. I was expecting more than getting bitch slapped by Shadow the Hedgehog. Here’s how I would do it.
Before the events of the game take place Zero (Infinite’s real name) lead an army of ruthless bounty hunters. The Jackal Squad. Him, his brother Nyx, and 6 Lieutenants were unstoppable together it’s like nothing would stop them.
One day they did a raid in Eggman’s main base. They were so strong that they almost succeeded. However Eggman whipped out the Phantom Ruby and stopped them. Yet he saw opportunity within the Jackal Squad. So Eggman hired them.
A good 2-3 days later in the cold chill night Shadow is raiding Eggman’s base to gather intel. He annihilated the entire Jackal Squad. Except Zero, Nyx, and the 6 lieutenants.
Nyx saw Shadow at the entrance of the base and rushed full speed to stop him. Unfortunately, Shadow brutally fucked Nyx up.
Zero saw his beloved brother die with his own eyes.
Sometime later Zero failed to track down Shadow the Hedgehog. (Although he didn’t see what Shadow looked like, all Zero knows is that the “Culprit” is a super fast Hedgehog. Nothing more, nothing less)
At this point he came up with a Plan B. Weaponize the Phantom Ruby. He pledged the idea to Eggman, and agreed to be the host. They shook hands and got to work. After many days, and weeks Zero has full power of the Phantom Ruby. His final words: “Zero? I’m no longer Zero. Nyx my brother, I won’t let your death be in vein. I will avenge you in your name. I’ll do whatever it takes to drown all of my enemies in fear. I’ll make sure of it. Nobody will stop me. I. Am. INFINITE!”
So Yeah. That’s how I would do it personally.
You would have to make some sort of plot twist with that, maybe making it so that who we thought was Shadow was actually the OG metal Sonic, since it's kinda out of character for Shadow to just kill some rando for no reason.
@@guest_zzroman2076 true
Plus Shadow Shadow doesn't really kill a person unless he has a reason
@@guest_zzroman2076 Good point.
I’ll have to figure out a reason why Shadow takes down Nyx. Or just scrap that entirely and replace Shadow with someone else.
@@JokerLord420 Not gotta lie, your version (or concept) of Infinite's backstory is WAY better than the original, nice job, dude.
@@DarkShadowX9 Thanks. Much appreciated. 👍
I still can't believe they didn't add Chaos and Shadow boss fights! Was the team really that lazy!?
kind of unrelated but if that sa 1 and 2 remake thing is true, they already have a chaos 0 model which is cool, unless they are using a different one to make it fit more to adventure
I don’t think it’s appropriate to blame the team for the lack of the boss fight. Let’s blame sega for forcing development crunch on the dev team. Maybe those bosses could be there if sega didn’t force crunch but what can you do?
@@tahamohammad8842 There was no crunch time. They wasted 3 years making a game engine that was inferior to their previous one.
17:46 I mean technically SEGA never really lied. They never said Shadow or Chaos Zero would get boss fights, and when they said the team that brought you Sonic Colours and Generations they were talking about themselves, Sonic Team. However, they was being manipulative, with how they were marketing the game, it was more like they telling half of the truth.
That's basically what some game companies do
Tell half the truth
Guess that's one way to look at it.
They did mainly lie about the “team that brought you generations and colors” part though. The game only has 3 level designers, none of them worked on either generations or colors. Maybe other staff worked from those games were here but when the most important aspect of this game, level design wasn’t designed by those teams, it’s a lie
@@tahamohammad8842 I knew that but Sonic Team as a collective made this game. They wanted people to understand this because the last Sonic game before forces was Sonic Boom and that wasn't created by Sonic Team. It's like saying Game Freak doesn't create there mainline Pokemon Games because smaller individual teams work on different generations, in the end it's still their team's project. They only referenced Colours and Generations because they were the most recent positive received games in the franchise.
I feel like to an outsider of the Sonic fanbase they could get why Forces wasn't received well. But they also wilm never get why us fans were so massively disappointed with it and why its still a controversial topic with us to this day. You just have to be a true Sonic fan to get it.
Also I don't think that SEGA is to blame for the "3 years on engine, 1 year on game" thing (unless you have a source that legitimately proves that then im wrong lol). In 2015, right after Boom, SEGA did say that they would give Sonic team more time. It was confirmed that Sonic Forces was in development right after Lost World, thats a 4 year gap of no main Sonic games (easily the biggest one we had). Remember that Forces was an anniversary game, and if it was up to SEGA they would have pressured Sonic Team to release it in 2016. But Forces was always meant to be released in 2017 , even when it got announced it was called project Sonic 2017. I really do believe so far that Sonic Team just used and organized those 4 years very poorly.
I already thought Forces was trash, looking forward to see if this video can make me think less of this game lol. I just want a good 3D Sonic game. Generations was years ago, and every 3D game has been mediocre to shit since. Mania was our only breath of goodness for the last decade
The writers who written Lost world are the same writers who did forces, they replace the writer named Shiro Maekawa, who written Sonic adventure 2, heroes, 06 and black knight since 2009. Also, he still wants to write Sonic and continue the story and characters even after being replaced. And I think the writers are still writing Sonic still. And the writers made a mistake, some was mistranslated. Like Tail's losing it, it was supposed to be Tails is lost, even Sonic being tortured for 6 months and don't know what that was supposed to be, but I still don't like the story and characters, mostly Sonic, he still keeps his cocky attitude (which is nice), but I don't see much caring and coolness side of him like before. Plus, they got two new writers who have never written a Sonic story, but one of them been working on Sonic since Sonic Adventure 1 and 2 as a level designer. I do not trust the writers to write a Sonic story and characters. I don't want them to write for any future Sonic games, the only games I think that was good in story was Colors and Generations, but character completely different then what we are used to (which I do not like). I am sorry but I would want them to be fired (except the one who is a level designer.) and bring back the old writers or have a new writer, for example Ian Flynn to do the Story and characters. I wish the old writers were rehired again. For the soundtrack, I don't hate the electric take on it, it's not bad, I wished they kept the kind of music like before before lost world they were great. It just does isn't fit Sonic's type of music at all like orchestra, rock and metal that fits him. The music doesn't make Sonic feel badass like Adventure 1, 2, heroes, Shadow the Hedgehog, 06, Unleashed, Colors and Generation. Classic Sonic the melodies not bad, it's the instruments that were used for him. I don't like the lighting as well, because it's too bright, but I do like it is vibrant though even nice attention to detail on the environments except the backgrounds like previous games. I do agree that Sega are the ones pushing this game, if it did had a little time, the story and characters would be the same, but the gameplay could have been better even the bosses. Not everything is terrible about this game mostly I do agree with what you are saying. For me I think the game should be a 4 or 5/10. I wish that the Sonic games can stop being bad or just average. I hope this year they show us something that we can really get hyped about and that is worth it, but I do have some doubts of it being good. Let's just see what will happen.
All their effort goes to Music. Background Design and etc.
The only thing Sega is good at is destroying there trust with the customer
They are Fantastic with that instead of what we want them to be
Nah, the game isn't that bad, sure it have a lot problems, but it's polished , not glitchy , have good controls, The level desing is not unfair, The soundtrack (for the most part) is really good, the graphics look nice too and the game is mostly fun to play. Just for those qualities alone, it already shouldn't be compared with Sonic 2006, Boom: Rise of Lyric, Free Riders or any actually really bad Sonic game. The main issue of this game would be the lazyness of Sega who didn't have ambition enogh to make a GREAT Sonic game, they only wanted to make a Sonic game which would please the really annoying and ungrateful fanbase of Sonic, because of the lack of ambition and passion , this game in the end, turned into a more generic and less charming version of Colors and Generations. Besides i hate the Title of the vídeo because pretty much every vídeo with "(put a game, movie or anime here) is worse than you think" is just given informations that i already know, overexaggerating the problems or trying to make the game looks worse with things that aren't a problem at all, i don't care for the backstory behind the production of the game, if the end result is a bad game, i would criticize even if it was made with all the love in the world. Understand, Sonic Forces is not worse than we think , we already know that the game is pretty average just for playing it.
Perfectly said.
Agreed
It was a total downgrade from generations...
True
This game is dogshit.
I'm pretty sure the tails losing it line was a mistranslation for them losing contact with tails
I don’t like having to see two different sonics why can’t we just have sonic, one from the past and we never see him again in a “modern game”
Sega: Lets change Sonic’s model to look like Classic Sonic
Critics: hmmm I’m interested
Me: 🤦♂️
Everyone else: come on sega 😑
@@yellowlad5968 I never noticed.
Don't forget that his mouth is on the side of his face.
It’s not a big deal
The whole game could have been a rescue Sonic game instead. You play as everyone but Sonic. Also have him actually be affected by being captured.
About the lighing engine. It usually takes from 3 to 4 years to make one in this generation. While game is not as colorful as old titles especially unleashed the way light falls on charactres and the world itself is more realistic and natural, from old ps3 generation. So the new engine is not bad. I assume the reason why it looks this way is because it's a multyplatform game, switch included.
Sonic 06 has tried something, and failed because of time crunch and having too much for too little. Sonic Forces is just made to be a quick game to make a buck, and failed
What really bothers me is the homing attack.
In Generations and Unleashed, you could homing attack behind you and to the side. In Forces, you can only homing attack in front of the camera.
It's just really annoying to me.
take a drink every time you hear the spring sound effect
That's a very boring drinking game.
Or, rather, whenever a Sonic fan calls this game bad.
Actually, no. Don’t want you to die of alcoholism.
remember sonic unleashed got a lower score than o6 and forces
let that sink in
also sega is the root for most of sonic's problems tbh
First off I want to say you have amazing taste in background music for the special thanks screen. LOVE Gamma. second I have to say yes I agree that Sonic Forces is a bad game. I still enjoy playing it for what it is but knowing what it could have been hurts as a Sonic fan. Sonic 06 I honestly love to this day. the creators of forces just didn't have the heart and soul of any other Sonic game creators.
I like Forces, but I fully admit it's undwhealming in many ways, the game was just too afraid to be itself and always tried to pull back.
Finally someone who likes it but in all seriousness it has bad things in it
I remember when this came out I tried to defend this game all I could, but eventually I realized the biggest thing they had against this game during development was that they tried to be ambitious but were to restrictive on what they could or couldn't do.
we got the same opinion about this game, oh also to add on to the soundtrack part, only reason why i sorta like fist bump a little bit is that it’s a remix of seaside hill
I live for these abrupt transitions lol.
Great vid!
I really wish we didn’t have to call him “Modern Sonic” anymore
Also, why is everyone starting to like/have fun with 06 now. Earlier this year the game was constantly bashed and used against Sonic, not everyone wants the games to feel like 06.
Look up Sonic GT
I know at first people start hating 06 but now they're starting to like it I think 06 in my opinion it is ok game but I do agree with the criticism.
@@mediamuncher6982 look up P-06
No one's saying that they like Sonic 06 as a whole, lol. It's still objectively a bad game with a weird ass story that isn't executed well. 06 is as laughably bad as its always been, but fans can recognize some of the good parts of it and appreciate them now since most of what we've been getting this past decade has been non-stop garbage that rivals Sonic 06 in mediocrity. Also, some of the characters were actually written well in that game such as Team Dark for example, as opposed to now where pretty much everybody's a hollow stereotype of who they once were. Fans were used to cool well written characters and good games. Sonic 06 looked pretty promising and that's why it was such a let down when it ended up being so much worse than the other games, but at least it had its good elements like I said.
That's why people always turn to Sonic 06 for comparison whenever they want to emphasize just how bad they think a Sonic game is. You *_know_* its bad when someone says it's worse than 06 or when someone has to say "at least its better than 06" in order to defend a game.
@@gabeitches87 I don't agree that we have been "getting non stop" garbage, and I don't think forces is bad. I can't call any of the spin-offs (aside from rise of lyric) bad, and I can't call any mainline game bad(forces being mediocre)
Also, I have been seeing tons if people claim they love 06,regardless of the flaws.
But I can agree with everything else.
I like this game.
I see it as Sega not wanting to make another 06 or lyric game or being mentally un sure of how they wanted to go out with this game. Hell even if this game was better the media would shoot it down.
I just wish Sonics reputation wasn't just Sonic 06. If Mario was treated the same then his reputation would be Hotel Mario or the educational games.
It doesn't help that even some of Sonics own fans just criticize almost every other game and throw around the term "bad" way too much. Garrlous64 (if I remember how to spell his name) has been involved of throwing this "bad" term around too much and I feel as if he rates some Sonic games *VERY* unfairly at times. As example he called Sonic Rivals 2 for the PSP a bad game and didn't finish it purely on the story for most of the part, he also said the gameplay is repetitive but at least for me it was fun.
Maybe I'm just not so critical on video games because I don't want a lot or I just want something new to play and I'm happy enough to get that. I know when I got the game not to long after it came out I was hyped to finally play something new from my favorite franchise whether I enjoyed it or not.
Why did they think making 90% of the levels less than 2 minutes long, screwing up the controls, and boosting for more than half the time was a good idea? You can beat many of them with only one hand on the controller, and even some without jumping. Nobody asked for this.
Who cares what the media thinks? Part of why this game sucks is because they listened more to what critics say than actual fans. Forces is rated higher than Mania and other Sonic games in several places.
I find it hypocritical that people bash Sonic '06 and Boom: Rise of Lyric for poor gameplay and story but don't bash this game at all. The plot is not good. The gameplay is trash, and the controls are god-awful.
Sonic Forces is BARELY a step-up from '06 and Boom.
And really, I find Rivals 2 so much better than Forces.
If anything this is the most bashed game compared to both of them.
Look, I agreed with your points.
Then you said the OST wasn't pleasant. Ghost Town and Aqua Road are very good.
I liked park avenue aswell
Sonic Forces was expected to be a 25th anniversary special, but it turns out one year later, late of 2017, it was just released.
I think one of the worst things that Sonic can't turn around with a short hop and can only turn around fully with a full Hop
You forgot about not gaining momentum after spin dashing down a slope.
The turn at 9:28 is especially unforgivable because not only does the game turn for you, *it actually kills you if you try to control Sonic.*
When I first got to that exact turn, I kept dying and I didn't know why. Every time I hit the curve I moved the thumbstick to make Sonic turn because this is a video game and the most basic assumption is that *you control the character.* But when I did that, Sonic flew off the edge and died. Well it turns out that by trying to manually turn Sonic, I broke out of the automated path and it would kill Sonic by making fly off the platform.
The solution? Literally do nothing. Don't try to turn Sonic, don't try to make him go straight, literally remove your thumb from the thumbstick and don't touch it. It's such a terrible control, the game expects you to relinquish control of the character so the game and play itself like a cutscene and if you have the audacity to control your character *like ever game in existence* then you are punished for it.
I find it sad that no one is talking about how this game reuses levels...no really, you play the exact same City stage 3 times, you're just playing a different character.
I really missed playing as other characters besides Sonic, which is why Sonic Heroes will forever be my favorite Sonic game.
@Jesus Pernia Yeah it was a thrill.
You can make good video essays, nicely done :)
I like your thoughts on the music, not too bashy, simply, I'm not a fan. I think some of the compositions and the avatar music is really high quality. Ghost Town and the casino stages for classic sonic have really good melodies but the instruments chosen sound horrible, like you said about the noises
Thanks, I don't like to debate tastes in music.
I hate how over half this games cutscenes are just dialogue boxes over the hub
Yeah, I'm in agreement. I'm also not a fan of them turning Modern into the bastardised version of Classic Sonic that they have been using since Generations. Though, then again, I do kinda wish that they'd retire the current Modern model (looks old and ugly in renders, and now even in Forces) and have Uekawa or Karasuno be the character designers.
On with you, Adventure 2's Sonic nodel is my favorite ever, and Sonic Rush's art design is the absolute GOAT!