"You've lost a lot of blood, piglet." So much alternate meanings behind this line. Her "dying flower" comment afterwards sounded too harsh for me at first, but now I realize that it's her way of telling Yennefer to give herself a break and stop pressuring herself so much because it's going to keep sabotaging her ability to grow.
Honestly, looking back now I also kind of read this as, "you must consume to be powerful. The sooner you accept that death is the recourse of power, the sooner you will come into your own."
i love this scene ! it perfectly establishes how magic works in this world in a dramatic scene that is also fun to watch. this is an example of this show brilliantly demonstrating certain parts of the story or the world building ( when it wants to 🤦🏻♂️)
technically she did warn them; 'Between your flower and your stone lies the balance' they just chose to focus on the stone and ignore the flowers. though when the girl said about Fringilla's hand special effects didn't start until the camera focused on the hand so how did the girl know there was something wrong when Fringilla's hand looked normal?
I thought she wanted to have closer connection to it or sth. Or just got hungry from trying. as far as my poor botanic skills ca tell these may be edible
Pretty sure she thought she could absorb the life of the flower by eating it instead of just draining it through magic since the drain method wasn’t working.
@@BlackDiamond2718 oh that's... a more complicated case. Yennefer hasn't always be a good persorn. I'd say she would either be a "grey" force user or start as a sith and become a jedi.
Chaos is a mystical force to which Mages use to manipulate reality in the form of spells. The source of their magic is chaos,it's not chaos magic but chaos is the source from which their magic is born.
Often wondered if this moment set Fringilla on a course to get back at Tissaia for "demonstrating" the cost of Magic. I'd be pretty pissed at my teacher.......
@@efaristi9737 unsuprised. it's usually a common rule in magic/fantasy "magic always comes with a price" - almost every villan or 'guardian' who uses magic
@@hihi615 I know, but it's not the case in TW. The only cost is the one you will pay if you draw too much energy or too fast. Which is the reason fire is forbidden to most mages, it give too much too easily and it's easy to be overwhelmed. They should have respected the rules on which the universe of the show is based on.
@@efaristi9737 yes. If I remember books correctly they literally can take magic from any element (if skilled enough, technically water is safest and easiest, fire is most risky, earth and air are hard). They don't have to make bouquet every time they want to lift stone 5 cm for 2 seconds as for more powerful spells aka most of spells in Witcher lore they would have to sacrifice at least one medium tree. You'e forgot that you CAN endanger yourself by using fire as source and Wizards are infertile (but Signs are possible to cast by any person w/o that problem as a cost). But no other costs
@@Petaurista13 "Which is the reason fire is forbidden to most mages, it give too much too easily and it's easy to be overwhelmed." I thought it showed pretty clearly that mages can endanger themselves by using fire as a energy source. What is the relevance of mages being steriles in the use of magic?
"You’ve lost a lot of blood Piglet" I now see that she was trying to be nice saying Yennefer probably couldn’t muster much power since her body was still recovering. Also, took me awhile to realize she was insulting her to prepare her at others who would try to do the same, sorta like to try and thicken her skin.
Kindness? The woman could have warned that girl that she needed to sacrifice something to perform magic. Instead she let the girl accidentally deform her body to teach the others.
@@blastermasterguy also they is an important lesson in chaos. It’s a bit traumatic but that’s the point to make sure that no bigger injuries are made when they are able to perform more powerful sorcery. Its a small sacrifice for the assurance that they won’t have to sacrifice something bigger later
lol, but to be fair, in the world of witcher sorceress or sorcerer had a limit about using magic, that's why it s true that scarlet witch is more powerful than any sorceress or sorcerer from the witcher. but if we put yennefer into mcu she probably more superior than agatha harkness, doctor strange, and wong. so pls don't mentioned here the scarlet witch bc her magic is op.
@@efaristi9737 that's what i said, didn't u read it well? "in the world of witcher magic had limit" u just add something and put the "not the same thing" besides it's just an example or imagination, that if we put yennefer into mcu she is literally more powerful to those people that i mentioned.
@@kentowen7928 sorry but, i wasn't responding to you. I don't know exactly the limits of sorcerer. the mages can do pretty much what scarlet Witch did, create fake realities, create life from nothing, move literal mountains (though the last one required a D'ao), move through time and space (though only elves and elder blood inheritor seems to be capable of that yet). They don't seems to have any limits. If Yennefer is more powerful than Doctor Strange, then Enid, Avalla'ch and Vilgefortz are on the level of scarlet witch.
@@efaristi9737 well you're talking abt the witcher books, cause what im talking is the adaptation netflix series. in the witcher book magic doesn't have limit. so, maybe the writer buff yennefer and nerf vilgefortz lol, im not actually sure about it 😅
From a teacher showing her students discipline and control you must hold over chaos, to not exactly a mother but more so superior colleague worrying about their old student
I just don't understand why she couldn't have warned them... I mean, I know they had to see it, but she could have demonstrated with the flower... I believe that would have also been an effective lesson..... But I guess it happens to you or someone else it might be a little more memorable...
@@efaristi9737 well... They should just show "using fire a a source gone wrong" or sth as it's canon that they are not supposed to do it as it's dangerous
This is why the Scarlet Witch's chaos magic is just so powerful. Chaos does not harm her, it serves her. It does not require balance or meticulous control, she's a being of simultaneous creation, as long as Wanda wills it, it would happen.
This is a whole different universe. Magic in The Witcher is much different from chaos magic in Marvel. Yes, both involve chaos, but they don't have the same rules or capabilities. There are powerful forces and magics in the MCU not centered around chaos at all, while in The Witcher, most of them are.
@@impala-67 Thats my point, what the teacher said here is correct no matter what Universe youre in. Magic can only push the boundaries of reality, whereas Chaos Magic breaks those rules altogether.
@@VelkanG The MCU is a universe designed for children. Their is no lore only the next story. The witcher revolves around choas and the universes lore. No comparison to be made here.
@@magatrone100 Stop overcompensating for the Witchers lack of recognition lmao, We are talking about Magic here why are you even comparing two separately beautiful pieces of work? If you cant keep up with the topic you can just say so 🤷
@@nealeellis4455 that was necromancy and it's forbidden for a reason. The books explains very clearly the rules about magic, that should be what's taking into account.
They did. Hence 3 dying to make chaos bombs. The guys who used the fog/mist also disintegrated. Yennifer unleashing the hell fire at the end (probably not dead cuz shes op) but they did go by this. Chaos magic takes when it gives
@@Benzonian612 no it doesn't. Magic doesn't take and doesn't give. Mages drawn it from the elements but there is no give back. that rule is completely invented by the show. You think anyone would want to use magic if any powerful spell result in your death? there is rules, and restrictions but mages don't risk their life every times they shoot a fireball. Unless they mess up their incantations or gestures. In fact, there is more risk teleporting than creating a mist. Because something could be left behind.
no it isn't. It's a mystical force who come through the elements, it has a will, it bring nightmares to scare you, to control you. You use it because if you don't learn to use, it will use you.
Because in proper Witcher lore they use elements as a sources. Usually water as far as I remember (safe and relatively easy) but with proper skills they can use earth or air. So yes, she had power source
remember whe she cut her wrist, but she still alive, it because tissasia saved her but yennefer lost a lot of blood when she cut her wrist, yennefer can't use a magic for a week because she lost of blood. and thats whats wrong with yennefer, when she always got wounded she always struggling to use her magic, and remember when yennefer saved the baby in episode 4, the assassin throw a knife on her and got stabbed on her shoulder, on that time yennefer lost a lot of blood too, thats why yennefer was too late to save the baby with her magic. she's struggling using magic when she always got wounded.
she doesn't have to, it's literally her first lesson in magic, she doesn't need to be excellent from the start. Magic take time, discipline, talent and learning.
Its chaos magic, stoopid. She literally said “just because you are conduits of chaos does not mean you are capable of magic”. Magic is almost an infinite knowledge. Chaos magic is only a part of it
@@abdielnava4776 Jesus... this is a prime example of someone who has never read the books or played the games and clearly has not a single clue about the universe. Take note people, this is a prime example of the type of dope the show targets.
@@mspionage1743 f the books. I watch a lot of magic shows and play hella magic games. They all agree on the same thing. Chaos magic is a fraction of actual magic use. Im going by what magic is and the fact that they use this explanation in the show makes it more believe able. Nobody gives 2 💩 about how they use magic in the books.
@@abdielnava4776 Dear God, this creature keeps trying to give me its resume as if that changes anything. But don't fret everyone, this thing has watched magic shows so it's all okay.
@@mspionage1743 you just have a low iq and just makin hardcore love to the book huh? Miss pee? Is that how you pronounce your ugly a$$ name? Stick to your stupid book and let the big boys talk about real magic. Pathetic 🤡🤡
"You've lost a lot of blood, piglet."
So much alternate meanings behind this line. Her "dying flower" comment afterwards sounded too harsh for me at first, but now I realize that it's her way of telling Yennefer to give herself a break and stop pressuring herself so much because it's going to keep sabotaging her ability to grow.
Honestly, looking back now I also kind of read this as, "you must consume to be powerful. The sooner you accept that death is the recourse of power, the sooner you will come into your own."
She actually care about her
Littlefinger bursts in yelling "Chaos is a ladder"
Thank you for mentioning it, that's the first thing that came to mind when I watched this scene for the first time.
😆 I'd be lying if that wasn't the first thing that came to mind when I first watched this
LMFAO
Chaos is a laddah
Yennefer is a mix of Daenerys and Littlefinger, "She want Everything " just like he said lol.
The rotting hand scene was disturbing 🤢 It’s like it turned into a mummified claw
I love the line " balance and control" which is pretty much essential these days.
i love this scene ! it perfectly establishes how magic works in this world in a dramatic scene that is also fun to watch.
this is an example of this show brilliantly demonstrating certain parts of the story or the world building ( when it wants to 🤦🏻♂️)
technically she did warn them; 'Between your flower and your stone lies the balance' they just chose to focus on the stone and ignore the flowers.
though when the girl said about Fringilla's hand special effects didn't start until the camera focused on the hand so how did the girl know there was something wrong when Fringilla's hand looked normal?
bad writing. She knew because she was said to know then it was said we should show hand changing.
Nobody gonna talk about Yen eating the flower in frustration? Ok? Alright.
I thought she wanted to have closer connection to it or sth. Or just got hungry from trying. as far as my poor botanic skills ca tell these may be edible
Pretty sure she thought she could absorb the life of the flower by eating it instead of just draining it through magic since the drain method wasn’t working.
That woman will be a Sith Lord in her next life!
she's much too nuanced for that. In fact, i'm even quite sure Tissaia from the books wouldn't have done that to Fringilla.
I would love to see her become a jedi knight or sith sorceress.
@@BlackDiamond2718 She would likely be a jedi master, she's way into control of yourself and order.
@@efaristi9737 oh i was thinking of yennifer
@@BlackDiamond2718 oh that's... a more complicated case. Yennefer hasn't always be a good persorn. I'd say she would either be a "grey" force user or start as a sith and become a jedi.
Chaos is a mystical force to which Mages use to manipulate reality in the form of spells. The source of their magic is chaos,it's not chaos magic but chaos is the source from which their magic is born.
yes in their world, chaos is an abstract "force" that seems to fuel magic. it's easy to misinterpret or correlate it with DC or MARVEL's chaos magic.
Often wondered if this moment set Fringilla on a course to get back at Tissaia for "demonstrating" the cost of Magic. I'd be pretty pissed at my teacher.......
there is no cost of magic. Well, except in the show apparently.
@@efaristi9737 unsuprised. it's usually a common rule in magic/fantasy
"magic always comes with a price" - almost every villan or 'guardian' who uses magic
@@hihi615 I know, but it's not the case in TW. The only cost is the one you will pay if you draw too much energy or too fast. Which is the reason fire is forbidden to most mages, it give too much too easily and it's easy to be overwhelmed.
They should have respected the rules on which the universe of the show is based on.
@@efaristi9737 yes. If I remember books correctly they literally can take magic from any element (if skilled enough, technically water is safest and easiest, fire is most risky, earth and air are hard). They don't have to make bouquet every time they want to lift stone 5 cm for 2 seconds as for more powerful spells aka most of spells in Witcher lore they would have to sacrifice at least one medium tree.
You'e forgot that you CAN endanger yourself by using fire as source and Wizards are infertile (but Signs are possible to cast by any person w/o that problem as a cost). But no other costs
@@Petaurista13 "Which is the reason fire is forbidden to most mages, it give too much too easily and it's easy to be overwhelmed."
I thought it showed pretty clearly that mages can endanger themselves by using fire as a energy source.
What is the relevance of mages being steriles in the use of magic?
"You’ve lost a lot of blood Piglet" I now see that she was trying to be nice saying Yennefer probably couldn’t muster much power since her body was still recovering. Also, took me awhile to realize she was insulting her to prepare her at others who would try to do the same, sorta like to try and thicken her skin.
It broke my heart to see Yennefer get sold to Rectoress Tissaia for four marks... Good thing the Rectoress of Aretuza was of kindness towards her...❤
Kindness? The woman could have warned that girl that she needed to sacrifice something to perform magic. Instead she let the girl accidentally deform her body to teach the others.
@@blastermasterguy that's not yennefer
Kind?? They were coin
@@blastermasterguy also they is an important lesson in chaos. It’s a bit traumatic but that’s the point to make sure that no bigger injuries are made when they are able to perform more powerful sorcery.
Its a small sacrifice for the assurance that they won’t have to sacrifice something bigger later
@@blastermasterguyu mean Fringilla? because that’s the woman who got her hand dried up for a temporary time
Tissaia and Yennefer relationship is so great.
Sorceress: "I am a conduit of chaos."
Scarlet Witch: "Bitch, please."
lol, but to be fair, in the world of witcher sorceress or sorcerer had a limit about using magic, that's why it s true that scarlet witch is more powerful than any sorceress or sorcerer from the witcher. but if we put yennefer into mcu she probably more superior than agatha harkness, doctor strange, and wong. so pls don't mentioned here the scarlet witch bc her magic is op.
it's not the same thing, Scarlet Witch don't play by the same rules as the witches of the witcher. She doesn't even need incantations.
@@efaristi9737 that's what i said, didn't u read it well? "in the world of witcher magic had limit" u just add something and put the "not the same thing" besides it's just an example or imagination, that if we put yennefer into mcu she is literally more powerful to those people that i mentioned.
@@kentowen7928 sorry but, i wasn't responding to you.
I don't know exactly the limits of sorcerer. the mages can do pretty much what scarlet Witch did, create fake realities, create life from nothing, move literal mountains (though the last one required a D'ao), move through time and space (though only elves and elder blood inheritor seems to be capable of that yet). They don't seems to have any limits.
If Yennefer is more powerful than Doctor Strange, then Enid, Avalla'ch and Vilgefortz are on the level of scarlet witch.
@@efaristi9737 well you're talking abt the witcher books, cause what im talking is the adaptation netflix series. in the witcher book magic doesn't have limit. so, maybe the writer buff yennefer and nerf vilgefortz lol, im not actually sure about it 😅
This is literally how Loki from MCU probably learned his magic 😳
He doesn't use magic though.
cody baggett what does he use
@wut psionics and advanced science and holographic illusions.
Damien Dingus Greek LMAO???
@Damien Dingus What are you smoking? Loki is the norse God of Mischief.
...wait a minute that is not how magic works in the books.THAT'S FROM FULL METAL ALCHEMIST
Right?
Agree
indeed.
Yes. In books they just pull magic from element of their choice (or usually: element they are able to pull from)
TO GAIN SOMETHING, YOU MUST GIVE SOMETHING OF EQUIVALENT VALUE!
"Sometimes a flower is just a flower , Nd the best thing it can do for us is to die"
She really went from this cold hearted person to a weird caring mother figure in season two and it honestly makes no sense to me
From a teacher showing her students discipline and control you must hold over chaos, to not exactly a mother but more so superior colleague worrying about their old student
Littlefinger - Did anyone say Chaos?
I'd just yell at the rock "wake the f up"
It's sad that yennefer was treated badly by her teacher tissaia when yennefer uses the lightning spell at the cave.
Because it was necessary to portray Tissaia as a bitch apparently.
Love her voice
Chaos is a ladder
I just don't understand why she couldn't have warned them...
I mean, I know they had to see it, but she could have demonstrated with the flower... I believe that would have also been an effective lesson.....
But I guess it happens to you or someone else it might be a little more memorable...
Chaos,there needs to be a balance,things are out of hand ,but one needs weapons and back up....
1:31 There is no conjuring something from nothing. There is a give and a take.
Then how do they teleport without any drawbacks?
@@Benzonian612 because that rule have been invented. Mages don't give anything in exchange for magic, they just draw it from the elements.
@@efaristi9737 Oh, so it seems that the show's writers broke the magic system. How unfortunate.
@@Benzonian612 maybe the original rules weren't dramatic enough?
@@efaristi9737 well... They should just show "using fire a a source gone wrong" or sth as it's canon that they are not supposed to do it as it's dangerous
Some have died to many times it like a flower are reborn the season...
This is why the Scarlet Witch's chaos magic is just so powerful. Chaos does not harm her, it serves her. It does not require balance or meticulous control, she's a being of simultaneous creation, as long as Wanda wills it, it would happen.
This is a whole different universe. Magic in The Witcher is much different from chaos magic in Marvel. Yes, both involve chaos, but they don't have the same rules or capabilities. There are powerful forces and magics in the MCU not centered around chaos at all, while in The Witcher, most of them are.
Shut up Marvel fans, marvel fans getting cringe day by day
@@impala-67 Thats my point, what the teacher said here is correct no matter what Universe youre in. Magic can only push the boundaries of reality, whereas Chaos Magic breaks those rules altogether.
@@VelkanG The MCU is a universe designed for children. Their is no lore only the next story. The witcher revolves around choas and the universes lore. No comparison to be made here.
@@magatrone100 Stop overcompensating for the Witchers lack of recognition lmao, We are talking about Magic here why are you even comparing two separately beautiful pieces of work? If you cant keep up with the topic you can just say so 🤷
That poor girl.
i love Piglet 💓💓💓
What does she say during the elder speech?
The best theif
I miss the old yennifer.
How will eating the flowers help !!!
"You're not yourself when you are hungry" Some flowers are edible
Scarlet Witch would the the equivalent of TOAA in this universe lmao
What is toaa?
@@aidanlasombra the one above all
where do that rule of "take and give" come from? i don't remember Yennefer talking about it in the books.
Mabye that one game scene where yenefer kills a garden to revive a corpse
@@nealeellis4455 that was necromancy and it's forbidden for a reason. The books explains very clearly the rules about magic, that should be what's taking into account.
Chaos magic😳remind me wanda
your right, but the in the witcher universe the magic of sorceress and sorcerer had a limit
how is it similar?
@@efaristi9737 ur in every comment calm down
Did Fring’s hand ever return to normal??? Horrifying
i think after the final examination she changed her appearance. like yennifer did with the ritual 🤷♀️
If only they bothered to go by these rules
They did. Hence 3 dying to make chaos bombs. The guys who used the fog/mist also disintegrated. Yennifer unleashing the hell fire at the end (probably not dead cuz shes op) but they did go by this. Chaos magic takes when it gives
@@abdielnava4776 Then why is there seemingly no drawback to teleporting?
@@Benzonian612 because that isnt chaos magic lmao!
@@abdielnava4776 Was this ever explained in the show? Telekinesis requires life force but teleporting doesn't?
@@Benzonian612 no it doesn't. Magic doesn't take and doesn't give. Mages drawn it from the elements but there is no give back. that rule is completely invented by the show. You think anyone would want to use magic if any powerful spell result in your death? there is rules, and restrictions but mages don't risk their life every times they shoot a fireball. Unless they mess up their incantations or gestures. In fact, there is more risk teleporting than creating a mist. Because something could be left behind.
I'm confused if you need flowers to do magic why do I see yennefer do magic without it?
That's not always correct there isn't always a take some of ones powers are natural,but other things do take in magic your 50%, lol
So that's Chaos interesting
no it isn't. It's a mystical force who come through the elements, it has a will, it bring nightmares to scare you, to control you. You use it because if you don't learn to use, it will use you.
So why didn’t yennifer die when she cast the fire ball? She didn’t have a power source?
Because in proper Witcher lore they use elements as a sources. Usually water as far as I remember (safe and relatively easy) but with proper skills they can use earth or air. So yes, she had power source
Easy E
I dont get it. Why cant Yennefer levitate that rock tho?
remember whe she cut her wrist, but she still alive, it because tissasia saved her but yennefer lost a lot of blood when she cut her wrist, yennefer can't use a magic for a week because she lost of blood.
and thats whats wrong with yennefer, when she always got wounded she always struggling to use her magic, and remember when yennefer saved the baby in episode 4, the assassin throw a knife on her and got stabbed on her shoulder, on that time yennefer lost a lot of blood too, thats why yennefer was too late to save the baby with her magic. she's struggling using magic when she always got wounded.
she doesn't have to, it's literally her first lesson in magic, she doesn't need to be excellent from the start. Magic take time, discipline, talent and learning.
@@kentowen7928 any mages got problems using magic when wounded.
@@efaristi9737 and when having problems with speech. Literally shown in books where Triss accidentally messed up spell
@@Petaurista13 A spell no one ever replicated because she had damged lips and afraid to no end.
Jeez. Simple telekinesis causes wilting? Gross
There is no purpose what so ever to change it to "chaos". I find that change stupid. Just call it magic.
Its chaos magic, stoopid. She literally said “just because you are conduits of chaos does not mean you are capable of magic”. Magic is almost an infinite knowledge. Chaos magic is only a part of it
@@abdielnava4776 Jesus... this is a prime example of someone who has never read the books or played the games and clearly has not a single clue about the universe. Take note people, this is a prime example of the type of dope the show targets.
@@mspionage1743 f the books. I watch a lot of magic shows and play hella magic games. They all agree on the same thing. Chaos magic is a fraction of actual magic use. Im going by what magic is and the fact that they use this explanation in the show makes it more believe able. Nobody gives 2 💩 about how they use magic in the books.
@@abdielnava4776 Dear God, this creature keeps trying to give me its resume as if that changes anything. But don't fret everyone, this thing has watched magic shows so it's all okay.
@@mspionage1743 you just have a low iq and just makin hardcore love to the book huh? Miss pee? Is that how you pronounce your ugly a$$ name? Stick to your stupid book and let the big boys talk about real magic. Pathetic 🤡🤡