REACTION! DOCTOR WHO 10x12, Gallifrey Gals Get Wibbly Wobbly! S10Ep12, THE DOCTOR FALLS
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- And here we are... The Doctor falls... How will he save the people of this village? Will Bill Pots somehow survive? Is it Peter Capaldi's time to regenerate? Is Paula ready for that?! Let's find out y'all.
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Missy died being kind. Just kind. Without hope. Without witness. Without reward. Missy's arc was perfect.
Having multiple Masters was a brilliant idea.
In every "special" episode with multiple Doctors, they annoy and compete with each other, but also work together for good. With multiple Masters, they dance and flirt and praise each other, but ultimately shoots themself in the back.
Yep. When The Doctor meets their past/future selves they can do anything. When The Master meets themselves they just end up dead.
Damn that’s actually a really good point
My head cannon is that Missy knew there was a better than 0% chance she would be betrayed, so she created a sort of regeneration epi pen using the equipment in the infirmary. And that’s how she became O.
“You were being kind. Nothing wrong with kind.”
I freaking love Capaldi!
Without hope, without witness, and without reward... Missy was, at the end, The Doctor's friend.
I love the way that was done. We don't see who Simms' Master regenerates into, so we have no idea how many regenerations the Master goes through before becoming Missy.
@@Tantalus010 I did like the hypothesis that he regenerates into the Delgado version of the Master (the first Master shown in the series)
“This is where I stand. This is where I fall.”
This episode has the best title of all the episodes in my opinion.
Capaldi saying, "Sontarans perverting the course of history" is a nod to the 4th Doctor's first words.
“Without hope, without witness, without reward”. That’s exactly how Missy went, she listened to the Doctor after all.
He said “Where I stand is where I fall”, previously, when he talked about Clara, he said “she fell where she stood”
Well done Steven Moffat for not pissing off Paula this time.
There’s soo much beauty in this episode, Bills acceptance of her fate, the Doctors where I stand/fall speech, Nardoles goodbye all the things that still make me emotional on a rewatch.
Thank you for sharing this with us.
Side note: When saying goodbye in the handshake Missy gave the Doctor there’s a chance/rumor/theory she presses the knife she used to kill her male self into his palm as a way of letting him know her intentions.
Let's all take a second to acknowledge how incredible Murray Gold's music is in this episode. What a swansong!
One day we will have that S10 soundtrack. Still baffling it hasn't ever been released
I loooove when Twelve yells out "‘Sontarans! Perverting the course of human history!" as he wakes up in the TARDIS at the end! That's one of the first things that we hear the Fourth Doctor say in his first story, 'Robot' (as well as something Twelve said before back in 'Listen' when waking up). So many great little call backs in this one!
The reason Bill is a one season wonder is because Moffat wasn't intending to do S10, but Chibnall couldn't take over in time and Moffat didn't want to leave Doctor Who fans without a series for several years (it's also why there's back-to-back Christmas specials) and so he stuck on for one more go around.
Definitely a touching ending for Bill. This is where DW almost goes into the sci fi horror genre. Obviously, we see the story progression/character development of Capaldi's Doctor from asking Clara - and himself - "Am I a good man?" To him trying to teach Missy and others how to be good and kind.
Omg that's NEVER clicked for MD before!?
Consider my mind blown.
As a lover of the Capaldi era this makes me very happy 😊
"If I run away today, good people will die. If I stand and fight, some of them might live - maybe not many, maybe not for long. Hey you know, maybe there's no point in any of this at all, but it's the best I can do. So I'm going to do it, and I'm going to stand here doing it until it kills me."
The Doctor's entire speech was so wonderful, but this part in particular I feel is so beautiful, and perfectly proves that regardless of his other faults as a writer, Steven Moffat *gets* the Doctor, who he is, and what he should stand for. He didn't have to stay on Satellite 5 and find a way to defeat the Dalek army; he didn't have to save Wilf from the radiation chamber; he didn't have to spend 1000 years defending the town of Christmas; he didn't need to make a big stand to save these farmers from the Cybermen; but he does all of them anyway, because it's the kind thing to do, and *that* is who the Doctor is. It doesn't matter that many of the people he's trying to save will inevitably die, and what he does may end up being completely meaningless in the end, that's no excuse to not at least try to be kind anyway.
Putting aside the ultimate definitive Doctor monologue, "The Doctor Falls" is a phenomenal episode, my favourite Moffat era finale, and my second favourite finale from new Who overall (beaten only by "The Parting of the Ways"). Moffat's script is absolutely fantastic, making the shift from the previous episode's dark twisted horror story into this episode's more downbeat drama and action feel incredibly natural and effective. While I am a little disappointed that we miss out on the grim body horror from part 1, I do like how the Cybermen are used here, from the continued use of the time dilation to keep them a constant threat to the characters, to the psychological horror and tragedy of Bill's reactions to the conversion process. Speaking of Bill, I love the way her character is used here, as we get to explore her initial denial of her new situation, her growing despair over it, and eventually her decision to hold onto her identity and go down fighting with the Doctor...making it all the more wonderful to see Heather return and give her the happy ending she so truly deserved. And while we're at it, I think it's fair to say that every single character got the ending they truly deserved; Missy deciding to stand with the Doctor, only to then get killed by her evil former self (side note: I feel this could act as a great way to end the Master's story for good); Nardole gets to prove himself as a brave and noble hero by acting as the protector for the farmers; and the Twelfth Doctor goes into his final battle fully confident of who he is and what he stands for, a far cry from the nervous man who asked Clara "am I a good man?" so long ago.
The performances are, obviously, absolutely phenomenal, with all the main actors really bringing their A-game. Peter Capaldi's performance is so superb here, nailing every facet of the character from his confident bravado during his initial confrontation with the Masters, to his gentle interactions with Bill and the children, to his earnest desperation in his speech and pleas to the Masters. Michelle Gomez really proves that she's capable of more than being funny, her reaction to the Doctor's speech is just perfect, really nailing the inner conflict and making it clear how much it got through to her. At the same time, she still gets plenty of chances to show off her comedic chops, especially in her scenes with her older self. On that note, having been freed from the shackles of the over-the-top cackling madman that he wasn't comfortable playing during the Davies era, John Simm gives a fantastic turn as the Master here, making him into a delightfully detestable prick with an entertainingly petulant demeanour that provides a great contrast to the more mature character Missy has become. Pearl Mackie is obviously fantastic as she nails Bill's internal struggles with the conversion process and how it's stripped her of her identity. Even Matt Lucas gets some great material to work with as Nardole, from his more fast-thinking strategic planning during the action scenes, to his awkward interactions with the leader of the colony, to his quiet and emotional farewell to the Doctor and Bill. If you'd told be back in late 2016/early 2017 that not only would I find Twelve, Bill and Nardole to be one of the best TARDIS teams in the show's history, but also that Nardole would provide some genuinely emotional scenes, I'd have laughed in your face.
I don't want to keep wittering on, but there's loads of other great stuff to talk about with this episode. Rachel Talalay's direction is as phenomenal as ever, her framing of the action scenes shows she has a great eye for scale and spectacle, but her work on the more quiet and emotional scenes (such as the Doctor's speech), and the creepier moments (Bill's initial realisation of what's happened to her) is fantastic. Also, by this point we've all largely taken Murray Gold and his music for granted, but he does truly fantastic work here, whether it be his big choral rendition of the Cybermen's theme, the various modifications to Bill's theme, the triumphant return of "The Shepherd's Boy" during the climax, or even the decision to have *no music* during the big speech. And there's all the little moments of fanservice, which are a nice little treat for observant Classic Who fans, but feel perfectly naturally integrated into the story and never feel distracting and desperate. All in all, I absolutely love this episode, it's a wonderfully written, directed and acted finale to series 10, and if this *had* been the Twelfth Doctor's final story, I would've been very happy. But we've still got one last adventure with him before we head into Jodie Whittaker's tenure, and it's going to be quite an interesting one to say the least
David Tennant had just left the show when I started, so hype around him was huge. I assumed I'd want to speed through 9 to get to him, but I so completely fell in love with the Doctor through Christopher Eccleston. That bond is palatable, and I didn't ever think another Doctor could dethrone him as my favorite. I don't know if it actually happened, but Capaldi came damn close with his speech to the two Masters. That is my all-time favorite speech in Doctor Who, and there have been some DOOZIES. It isn't my favorite moment, but that one is also a Capaldi one, so that says a lot.
Also, Steven Moffat is a genius. Because obviously some future writer is going to want to use the Master again. But doing so would undo Missy's arc of becoming good, because it really is such a nicely done arc. But we never saw Simm/the Saxon Master fully regenerate. There could be a 1000 Masters between him and Missy, for all we know. Until we see someone turn into Michelle Gomez on screen, I'm choosing to believe she is chronologically the last Master.
Pearl is SUCH A GOOD actress!!!
Bill truly loved the Doctor without any romantic under tones. So her heartache makes me cry even more.
It's pretty funny how the whole point of regeneration was to avoid recasting hartnell's doctor, and eventually they did it anyway
Twice!
This episode and the last are easily the height of writing for both the Cybermen and the Master in the modern series. No other appearance by either villain even comes close.
Not to mention one of the heights of writing for the show in general
Yeah, this series did so much with two Dr Who staples that I never really cared for. I never liked the Master and they stopped doing the body horror stuff with the Cybermen a long time ago, but this series mead me love them both.
*Spoilers*
I’ve watched several reactions to this episode, you might be surprised how many people don’t catch the tribute to the past doctors last lines when Capaldi wakes back up in the tardis. And y’all drove it home with Missy’s ending and how the doctor will never know she choose him. It makes it hit so much harder.
In the last episode, Simm says "You wouldn't be so self destructive. Neither would I."
In this episode, Gomez stabs Simm then he shoots her to prevent his future self from helping The Doctor.
Simm truly was a psychotic Master, and sadly The Doctor never found out that Missy was going to stand with him/be his friend again.
Definitely felt like the line "I can make you human again," was put in so that Bill's choice was not just travel as a water creature or death.
Katrina crying, knowing whats going to happen.. and then Paula realizing whats happening with the pilot and crying.. so good
It’s such a shame that the Moffat era is coming to an end. Definitely the most unfairly hated era and my personal favourite.
It's my favourite too and I miss it.
Everyone slated it at the time but many too stubborn to admit it's a million times better than Chibnall's
You know, with the exception of Paul McGann not getting at least 1 television season as The Doctor, the biggest "what if" missed opportunity Doctor Who will ever have was Capaldi not getting a 4th season as The Doctor with Missy as his companion (alongside Bill and Nardole). I feel that would have been the ultimate TARDIS team as you would have the tragic hero (Capaldi knowing it's his final season), the romantic foil (Missy trying to be The Doctor's friend again), the exposition (Bill), and the likable comic relief (Nardole).
The music in the last 2 episodes and the special, just heightened the emotions for me.
Soooo good!
I think I'll go listen to the Series 10 soundtrack on.... oh wait. 😥
@@firefly24601 PAIN. PAIN. PAIN.
This is the most beautiful of all the finales for me. As a two parter it is astonishing in tone and emotion. And this last episode has soooo much beauty in everything about it.
Your tears got me crying in sympathy... I agree that it's a massive "gut punch" that the Doctor will never know that Missy was on his side...
The main reason why I hate Chibnail's run. Thankfully someone in the future will call back to this moment.
It is interesting what rewatches can do. I always preferred the RTD era to Moffat's on my original watch through. After re-watching a few times though I realized I was liking RTD's a lot less with each watch while appreciating Moffat's more to the point where I greatly prefer his era. I'm curious how I'm going to view Chibnall's when I decide to rewatch it.
Say what you will about Steven Moffat, I think he really went out on a high note along with Peter Capaldi.
Pearl Mackie deserved more than one season
I don't speak much but I've been watching since day 1. Actually I used to comment more back in the day. I'm glad you guys stuck with it even when you had to go your own way.
These last two episodes, and the one to come, cement Peter as my favourite doctor (only just beating David to the top spot, hair's breath).
I've been around since the first episode you two did on the other channel. It's been a pleasure to join you on this ride!!
My pet theory is that Missy is the final, last incarnation of the Master from qajillions of years in future. Also? Bill is amazing. I love her so much.
Dang they're really at the end. It's been a pleasure rewatching S10 with y'all.
It always gets me a bit when capaldi starts saying the last lines of the previous doctors
Another great reaction video from my two favourite Whovians, can't wait for Paula to see 'Twice Upon a Time'. ☺❤
Oh I knew there was going to be some tears with this finale. Out of the three this one is my personal favorite, and I'm so glad I knew enough about classic and modern Who at the time this aired, I got the callbacks and nod's, that was so cool. I was sad to see Bill go but also happy she isn't dead or whatever the hell Clara was at the end of season 9, she got a really happy ending. I'm also glad that this episode wasn't the end of Capaldi's time as the Dr, since the Christmas episode is a bit of an encore, one last romp, so I wasn't as sad as I would have been if this would have been the final episode, regeneration etc.
When he says he wont change it makes me wish hed stayed on 3 more years, I could watch his DR 24/7
The thing is though, that is why The Doctor not knowing works. You do it because it is right and not for reward.
When Katrina said 'dragon', I didn't realize she was talking about a real critter. With Easter 2022 only a few days away, do I have to say what it reminds me of?
When Kat and Paula get together to film an episode in person, it's basically going to be like one of the Doctor Who crossover episodes where different versions of the Doctor meet each other in person.
BEST. SPEECH. EVER.
Most amazing parts of this episode, Katrina’s smile as she’s talking to her dragon, and how cute that dragon is!
Yeah, as far as we know the regeneration is later this year in the special for the BBC centenary, and the next Doctor will presumably debut fully in the 60th anniversary special in October 2023.
Happy 64th birthday to Peter Capaldi
I've always liked the way Tom Baker says "Who .... Nose" and then swipes his nose with his finger. The 4th doctor breaking the 4th wall :p
If you run low on Modern Who - the 70's were an excellent decade.
The companion compilation was a callback to the 4th doctors regeneration he also mentions when fighting the cyberman some classic episodes you should react to the tenth planet
Been waiting for this, though I didn't want to see Paula & Kat cry, I knew it was coming.
Really says something about the Capaldi era when both of his companions ended up dead -- but with a happy ending. :)
and both ended with Immortal Girlfriends
@@YonatanShamgar It's all GAAAAYS IN SPAAACE and I totally don't mind that. :)
I like this two-parter more and more every time I see it. Four years, huh? Time has flown by, so I must be having fun. Wonderful reaction as always, glad to hear you're planning to explore more Classic Who when you're caught up on the modern series. Looking forward to seeing your take on Capaldi's final episode, Jodie's era and everything still to come.😃
The Master kills the Master and is killed by the Master.
Only in Doctor Who can that sentence both be true *and* make sense.
Knew this would be a tough one!- such a brilliant episode, and another brilliant one to come!
It's episodes like this that firmly made Capaldi my favorite Doctor from New Who!
I was waiting to see your reaction to this episode, and i wasn't disappointed!
Bill made out the best from this episode, she got her love and the adventure!
A fitting video, given that today (Apr. 14th) is Capaldi's birthday
I also thought the most heartbreaking thing is the Doctor not knowing that all that time with Missy wasn't misspent, that it worked and she did change and was going to stand with him.
I liked Clara but always thought Bill had better chemistry with 12
I understand wanting Bill to stick around for Jodie's Doctor, but I have a feeling that Chris Chibnall wanted to do his own thing with his own characters. It's like the way that things totally shifted when Moffat took over in series 5: new Doctor, new supporting characters.
Yeah, Chibnall TOTALLY cleared the decks: all new actors, all new writers, even a new composer. I wish he hadn't -- like maybe brought back Sarah Dollard or Jamie Matheison to write at least, but oh well.
@@NicoleM_radiantbaby I don't know if you remember all the complaining in the fandom during Moffat s last two years, and especially during season 10 - people said Capaldi's Doctor was too dark, the stories were too complicated and too interdependent and that Doctor Who needed to be completely reinvented if it was going to survive. And the BBC listened. Chibnall s era tried to correct all the things the loudest voices in the fanbase had been complaining about.
@@MichaelJohnson-kq7qg Yeah, I definitely remember all the Moffat Hate. It sucked. Especially as I personally found it to be my fave era of the new series. And I get Chibnall changing things. My fave 'showrunner' (really he was script editor, but basically de facto showrunner) Andrew Cartmel did the same thing back in the Seventh Doctor's era -- totally changing gears, getting in all new writers, changing tone, etc. Sadly, Cartmel's (Masterplan) worked for me, but Chibnall's has not. I think Chibnall's attempt to 'correct' things broke the show. :(
@@NicoleM_radiantbaby the funny think about it is, Chibnall doesn't really have a master plan - he was a huge fan of the Cartmel masterplan, and has basically tried to make it happen in new Who.
@@NicoleM_radiantbaby I like a few things that Chibnall has done, but very few. I think about 90% of his run has ranged from mediocrity to an outright disaster. I still haven't bothered to watch the latest mini-series because I was so let down by series 11 and 12.
Weirdly enough, the most controversial thing he did in series 11/12 (which I'm not mentioning for spoiler reasons) is my favorite part of his run. I thought it was fascinating.
William or Bill Hartnell's wife was called Heather. Ergo Heather and Bill.
I think it was a deliberate choice from inception of season 10 to have Bill end up with Heather in the same season in which the First Doctor was set to reappear.
Moffat has said that that was a total coincidence. Bill's name actually comes from Billie Piper's nickname.
@@SweenyTodd98 first rule. Moffat always lies.
I'd like to beleive that in a future episode of Dr Who (still not made) that we'll get to see the doctor witness Missy's stand. They do try to make it right if when the fans speak up enough about it. Like the time war as an example and Rose's 2nd ending as another.
Make what right? That the Doctor doesn't know about it is beautifully tragic and is an important part of one of the main themes of the series - doing good without hope, without witness, and without reward.
@@bookswithike3256 it's one thing for the Doctor to make his stand like that but the Master has ... never ... done anything for the sake of being good natured much less to do all of the above mentioned like some sort of Saint which he isn't. As well it's not so much of a "wrong" as it is "EXTREMELY" dissapointing that the Doctor didn't get to witness it despite it being tragically poetic. That plot point belongs with the Doctor's character as an achievement made. As someone who has time and time again strived to be "a good man" .... not the master dude.
Even if the Doctor was the only witness and the Master wasn't aware of making a stand alone...as a fan... and just having an ounce of closure for once in the Doctors 2,000 year old life of "why does it always have to be me" could the show give him that little nugget of "wow...the master actually and genuinely stood with him.
Every reactor must have a huge headache editing this episode down to ten minutes, well done on a great watch 😀
Can confirm. I had a huge headache after this editing this reaction 🙃
Bill was an awesome companion
Got a photo with him in this mays Liverpool comic con, going to be epic.
I have been waiting for these tears for so long lol
Good to know im not the only one who's a mess because of these episodes
Series 10 is amazing. And these three episodes are IMO, masterful, no pun intended.
Speaking of, Missy did what was right, without witness and without reward.
And there were a few lines of Classic Who regenerations in there too at the end.
I can’t really say series 10 is anything special, the finale is very good but apart from that…. Meh 🤷🏻♂️
I love (S)Herbert!!!
This is my favourite finale in new who (from what you watched so far)
The heck, I have been watching you watch Doctor who for 4 years? lmao
When this episode aired, some ten thousand fanfic writers collectively groaned that the fandom had decided to call the Clara/Me ship "Space Girlfriends".
And to think, we started with an angry "attack eyebrows" Doctor...
As a fan of classic and modern this entire season is definitely one of the best in my humble opinion.
The original You might say
Moffat has done some good stuff but I loved him for this two-parter.
What did you do to your cat?!
You stop giving them water and look what happens!!
@@firefly24601 You don't give them water after midnight. I think that's what happened.
Great reaction girls but I thought u would of added Paula reaction to all the companions saying doctor part.
Brilliant and sad episode. I'v never cried while watching it but you're reactions to this made me sob into my tea haha. As much as i think david bradley does a brilliant portrayal of william hartnell, i don't think his portrayal of the first doctor is really anything like the character. He doesent have the twinkle or mannerisms that hartnell brought and just seems like an old fuddy duddy confused by all the modern banter. And as good as the script is in this episode there is too many jokey references to the master and missy being the same person, it's like 'ok! we get it!' haha
The Whittaker era is so deeply divisive. And it's difficult to imagine the Gallifrey Gals agreeing on it. But there's one wonderful Capaldi episode to go ...
One of the big problems with the Jodie era is that there's a lot of baggage the audience is bringing with them - they've been watching new Who for 17 years (mind-blowing) at this point and that means you're watching every new episode through the prism of your own history with the show. With Kat and Paula watching them together over the last four years, there's still going to be some baggage but not 17 years of it... And it's a communal project which gives them the opportunity to be more objective. I'm hopeful about their reactions to Chibnall.
@@MichaelJohnson-kq7qg What baggage do you think prevents people from viewing the Jodie era "objectively"?
@@bookswithike3256 everyone brings their own version of the show with them. Even though we've all watched the same episodes, no two people have the exact same viewing experience, o every single person remembers the history of the show differently. We all have a different 'greatest hits' reel that we compare the show against in our heads. That's not a new thing. It's not even a bad thing. It's only bad when people pretend it means there's something 'wrong' with the show for not fitting the template of how they feel it should feel.
@@MichaelJohnson-kq7qg People's criticisms are more substantive than what they feel the show should be.
Also like you're free to think that the writers can change the Doctor's core personality and values if you wish, but I will never agree.
@@bookswithike3256 I wasn't really talking about 'substance', but about WHY people seem so divided - because they are looking at it through the lens of their own nostalgia
Like, for example, you feel the core of the Doctor has changed, apparently.
Dont answer with a spoiler, but... did anyone else notice the exact position The Doctor was laying in on the floor beside the console when you first saw this eps? Did it look familiar? (A simple "no" or "Hell Yes!" will suffice)
No, but I noticed how Missy was laying on the ground in her final moment on screen....
The first time I watched this episode, the site i was watching on didn't have the whole episode (like the file was corrupted or the recording was scuffed or something) so I had no idea what happened to bill :( I saw her in the hospital right after she got her new heart, then in the farm town as a cyberman, then it jumped to her going off with star eye girl. and then the next episode I'm pretty sure the doctor says something about her being dead and I was so confused.
There were top tier episodes in my opinion. I think you guys will like the next episode.
This was the great thing about Moffat, he honored everyone before him, celebrated the history, connected decades, dropped easter eggs all around for the long time fans. Now, Chibnall... not so much. To quote the great Neil Gaiman from the doctor's wife episode: It's sad when it's over. This season was great and Capaldi was magnificent. Man, I miss the show...
Thankfully RTD fixes it.
@@mjm3091 RTD who liked the plotline you all moan about? That one?
@@caitlin329 Just in general, quality of the series and references to older stories.
I think Bill's character only being around for a season may have partly been Pearl Mackie's choice (iirc?) though mainly that whenever they change showrunners, both the actors for the Doctor and Companions tend to leave. The main cast tend to have some connection to the showrunner, and it also gives the incoming showrunner the widest latitude to choose who they'll cast for both the roles of the Doctor and any Companions.
I'm morbidly curios what Paula is going to think about Jodi's era
I think she’ll prefer it to the Moffat era. I’m not sure she could hate anyone as viscerally as Steven Moffat.
@@nocturne8333 On the contrary, I think she really enjoys Moffat's writing overall. She doesn't like EVEYRTHING about his writing; such as some aspects of the Clara character, and his overuse of emotionally-manipulative fake deaths.
@@firefly24601 Oh I think Paula definitely likes some of the era. I just feel that the attacks on Moffat are rather personal and often in bad faith compared with their treatment of Davies.
Is the narwhal called Nardole?
This episode destroyed me but for very different reasons. From the very first episode of this series, I was hoping to see more of Heather because she reminded me so much of me, always wanting to leave, and be a wanderer. That's what drew me to this show in the first place, wandering the universe. Then she shows up and rescues Bill and it was so beautiful. I was so jealous though, wishing for a star-eyed girl to come and rescue me from this rock that's just filled so so many people destroying each other. I'm not expecting it, but I'm hoping to see Heather and Bill come back in the 60th anniversary special.
This would be SO COOL
Anyone else find it strange that so many plans of the Master, who believes in implementing absolute chaos, involve Cybermen, who believe in implementing absolute order?
So many scenes...howdo you choose action sadness the SPEECH missy missy missy just full of moments also Bill and the ending......
Nearly at the end of 12 and in real time we are nearly at the end 13 after this Sunday 13 will only have 1 episode left how has it been 5 years since I was in the exact same spot with 12
Isn’t it strange how identical Clara and Bill’s endings are?
I wish this had been Capaldi's finale, because it was just, so, beautiful. Horrific, but beautiful. I know why they did what they did... but I really do wish they'd kept this as his last... I know fans have edited this and the next episode together to kind of achieve it... and it kind of works... But oh lord, Capaldi! Capaldi was the best Actor to play the Doctor since Troughton. I still miss him so much, and we're already 7 years on from this story...
For me, this will always be Capaldi's finale.
Also for me... my first First Doctor was not William Hartnell... not trying to give spoilers knowing that you're watching the original show... ish... But yes, ok - this isn't the original, and not the second, but the third, First Doctor, and it was nice that they could do it... though I have a lot of angst about the possibility of them trying to recast any other Doctors...
It was originally intended to have The Twelfth Doctor regenerate at the end of this episode at the time of broadcast Jodie was not yet announced and Chris Chibnall didn't want to do a Christmas special so Moffat made a filler Christmas episode. Personally that would had been a better end for Peter's Doctor but I understand production wise why they couldn't. I agree I consider this probaly one of the darkest ever of a companion departures so far but I thought it would had been more heroic and tragic for Bill to die as a Cyberman rather than ending up as a puddle girl because it felt alittle too get out of jail free card it takes the realism and the stakes away but overall still it was a great end and of course the farewell to one of my favourite companions Nardole who also became brave in the end. This will be controversial but I'm glad Missy kind went out the way she did because to be honest I was worried they were going to ruin her character by making her turn good which is to me out of character for The Master I'm glad they kept the regeneration unseen because it takes too much mystery of The Master's timeline away in my opinion.
I feel like the fillerlike Christmas special was nice in the end. It connected with some earlier companions and characters, it gave us First Doctor story, even if writing for the character has been questionable at times. But this ending doesn't feel as bad as it was with Clara.
I do agree with Bill's death part, I feel like it would be nicer if it was more convoluted, if she died or not, with reveal only coming in the Christmas special - that would feel less in the face (imagine Bill dies in arms of the Puddle Girl and we don't learn the truth of her moving on from her original body until the very end of the Christmas Special). The main issue with season 10 and Bill's story is that it needed one more season to expand on all of it. Her backstory, Mummies and the Puddle Girl - could work, if we had more episodes and exposition to justify such an ending. But in the end you can't have everything.
What I liked about Christmas Special was that it closed some loose ends. Everyone dies at some point. With Clara on the run and Bill as companion to a Puddle Girl - I feel like it wasn't shown enough that Clara still has to go back to her death and soul ripping and that Bill ultimately did die as Cyberman, even if her being survived in Puddle. And we do learn that Nardole basically died trying to escape from Cybermen (unless rewritten later on).
When it comes to Master's regenerations - I kinda wish we got at least some say of how the next Master came about. I still cross my fingers that Sasha's Master is before Missy - her being the ultimate incarnation of Master. Even, if I like the Lumiat idea from other Doctor Who media - I still feel like it would be a nice end to Master's character to die good and keep all the evil before that.
Reactions to more Classic (eventually) would be amazing..
That certainly is the plan 🙂
EXCELLENT...☺
Finally somebody who appreciates the poetic poingnancy of Heather's return at the end of the episode. I've seen that moment ridiculed by so many reactors (most of whom insist on calling Heather "Puddle Girl" to under-pin their scorn - and, quite probably, reflecting their disdain for a same-sex love story) but I found it a really beautiful scene which packed a real emotional punch.
Personally, I found it a beautiful, poignant moment. Bill had NOT been having a good time up to that point and for her to be reunited with Heather was such a lovely moment.☺
It *ought* to be a poignant moment, but it didn't land. For me, at least, and apparently not for quite a few other people. It's because we didn't spend enough time with Heather in the first episode to really care about her. She turned into the creepy puddle girl too fast. And I don't think Bill ever mentioned looking for her again, after that episode. It felt very much 'style over substance'.
So when she finally shows up, instead of people cheering or sobbing, they just go, "Huh? Oh ... yeah ... that puddle girl from way back ... totally forgot about her."
Ideally we would have spent at least some of S10 occasionally wondering where Heather was and aching for Bill's loss, but she had apparently been forgotten about completely.
(This is a general problem I have with much of Moffat's run, and in the other shows he's done as well. He can be a bit superficial when it comes to the character/emotional stuff. Slick and glossy on the surface but fails to really make you care about the characters.)
I'm glad to hear it did land for some people, though. 🙂
@@SchrodingersTransCat And there-in lies the thankless task of a show-runner... make regular references to something over a series (eg. the crack in time and space) and it is derided for being over-used, thus making the pay-off unsatisfying because all of the viewers saw it coming... or use a plot point sparingly and it is derided for being under-used, thus making the pay-off unsatisfying because none of the viewers saw it coming.
Fair point, John. But there’s more to it than giving away plot points early vs not reminding the audience enough. We also need to care about Bill and Heather getting together. We need to empathise. And arguably we don’t, because there wasn’t enough time for us to care in The Pilot.
Bill herself just seems to shrug it off and get on with dating other women, so Heather doesn’t feel important to her either.
All the beautiful music and visuals and dialogue that a show can throw at us will fall flat if we haven’t actually formed that bond.
A similar thing happened with Melody Pond in S6. (Let’s Kill Hitler.) No time to actually get to know Mel the way we’re told Amy & Rory do, so it’s just a clever timely winery twist instead of an emotional wallop.
I find RTD (and Paul Cornell) better at getting us to care-even though the RTD era’s tone feels goofier and clumsier and less ‘slick’ than the Moffat era.
Still, it apparently worked for Paula, so what do I know. 😅
I love all the Doctors, but my two favourites are the 3rd and 13th Doctor 😊
I was heartbroken to see Bill as a Cyberman.
A near perfect (almost) end of the era.
I would think that Missy is the final regeneration. After John Simm there must be several.
Yes girls I noticed that you do get emotional and you do cry I do like to see that in action when you see the Doctor Who videos you know I'm very sentimental myself and I watch Doctor Who for over 40 years myself John Madden from Pawtucket Rhode Island
This is top notch Who. Whatever you think about 9-13, the BBC, Stephen Moffatt, ceretain individual stories, the Chib-meister, RTD, over the last 17 years we've had some amazing Doctors!! Roll on 14!