Report says UK 'actively avoided' investigating alleged Russian interference in British politics
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- No one is protecting Britain's democratic processes from interference by the Russian state. (Subscribe: bit.ly/C4_News_Subscribe)
That's the verdict of MPs on the Parliamentary committee that oversees the work of Britain's spy agencies.
Their judgment was revealed in a long-awaited report on Russia's attempts to influence elections in Britain.
The committee accused the government of ignoring claims that Russia tried to interfere in both the Scottish and Brexit referendums.
And they said the influence of a wealthy Russian elite on the UK's public life was now a " new normal".
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If there was nothing in the report, why did Downing Street bury it for so long?
So a lack of evidence shows there is evidence in your opinion .. wow .. PMSL you really are a dimwitted idiot!
@@GamingBear_Q_E_D Julian Lewis lost the conservative party whip to ensure this came to light. It's nice to see the only limits to your own sense of patriotism is personal convenience.
@@soviet9366 Aaaaw.. so you have no evidence & just trying to smear someone .. using the same tired old anarchist handbook .. still of no interest to me, just the facts as I said, brexit was not affected, the losers still lost again .. keep trying loser & your side will keep losing! ;)
There is no point of trying to convince a haters who are the heart of Brexit flock. The sensible people already came to their senses. The others are zombies. Leave them to stew in their bile juice.
@@snezdimi6695 Here you go with the smears suggesting your opponents are sheeple .. try again baby! You lost, go running & cry back in your safe space unless safe space to you are new naughty words?!?!
Unfortunately the whole thing reeks of deliberate negligence.
Which makes a change from obvious incompetence.
nailed it.
Bang on
Imagine not acknowledging another country messing with ours because of how it looks? This is stupid beyond belief
The tories cant get any worse... They will find a way though
@@ChristianPatriarchy No it is not alright. Did that really need answering? This what-aboutism is just childish.
Like voting that parliament will get no say in trade agreements, and that the details will be kept secret for five years after the agreement is signed, for example... which they just did.
@Paul G I'm sure you voted with your conscience, and I have no problem with that, but before any election, or in this case referendum, there are people who haven't made up their mind how to vote, even two weeks before the date - but they vote anyway. Those are the people that campaigns are aimed at, not those of us who've already made up our minds.
The biggest influence I'm aware of was the targeted advertising, on Facebook. Facebook's profiling system was used to identify who to show the ads to. I'm not aware of any outside influence being involved - just a lot of money being spent to swing votes, from people who hadn't made up their minds but voted anyway.
It does show that there's potential for outside influence though. Whether that happened, I don't know, and it seems neither do the government. It seems to me it's their job to know, If they avoided looking, they definitely weren't doing their job.
As a remain voter I've been labelled as a 'traitor'. I wonder if those same people are now defending Russia? 🤔
As a Brexiteer, we know exactly who is pro-Russian from our intelligence and they are socialists, Marxists, left leaning, open borders and anti-British. *We got you sussed-out, the very reason you accuse conservatives in that loony-toons way, is because YOU are fully guilty of it yourselves; because YOU are most vulnerable when accused of being “RuzkySpyTraitor” connmies.* In addition a certain group of people within 6CHQ UK have sexually divergent appetites and they are 14 times more likely to be left leaning and 30 times more likely to be traitors, so much so that whole departments can't be trusted and investigations are ongoing! *SO THE FACTS BITE, you 'traitors'.*
@@newestengineer so you're happy for Russia to interfere in our democracy? I am not. I assume you're either working for Russia, or indeed are the real traitor.
@@alex_n8863 Time traveller from 2022. HIs answer hasn't aged well
Here we are one year on and we can now actively report on how damaging Brexit actually has been to the UK even taking out the pandemic and the Ukraine war. In fact I think Britain departing the EU was even more damaging to the EU itself. Had the UK still been a member and its MEPs galvanizing support throughout the EU against Russia expansionism (instead of childishly whining and posturing). I suspect we would have a more committed EU with the help of UK intelligence and leadership which could well have acted as a greater deterrent to Putin. In effect you have to wonder how many percentage points the alleged highly effective Russian supported disinformation and redirection of the voting public swung the final vote towards leave? th-cam.com/video/S0osFjN4MX0/w-d-xo.html
I am not surprised by the lack of investigation.
@Charles White "George Galloway on Russia Today did not swing the Referendum" That's not a credible claim from anyone! Strawman!
@Charles White You are really naive if you truly believe this.
@Charles White I'm afraid you are confusing globalisation of the information which describes exactly what you said aka. unrestricted flow of content, the free shift of paradigms, the swing of trends & domination of network influencers, with something this report flags e.g. cyber-warfare, cyber-espionage, large scale data-harvest & broad-spectrum of unidirectional content creation by foreign adversaries. You see that's a quite easy thing to confuse if you do not study a subject in-depth. Just as one very small yet crucial example (which importance was shown by Cambridge Analytica, Emerdata, SCL & IQ Aggregate): You see in the old times every advert or newspaper article could have been tracked to the source. If someone made a false claim or lied could end-up in theory behind bars. Enters "social media" behemoth like Facebook - a platform that can generate personalised content for advertisers, a platform that can feed you details about personas, and in return present personalised adverts & sponsored content disguised as posts. You can target people by age, gender, preferences, opinions & even very narrow location. Can you see how that can be used to impact public opinion? No? Well, this happened on a large scale in the Brexit referendum - some social-media campaigns were fueled by few £m each. This campaigns affected millions of voters and no one till this day knows what was true content of this adds as no trace is left. So wake up from your fairytale mate and realise its cyber-war all over the place.
@Charles White
I hate to break this to you but information warfare was a thing before the Internet. This is not a matter of paranoia. This is a matter of vigilance.
Perhaps the mere POSSIBILITY of malicious, external interference in British politics is hard to accept because it casts doubt on your supposed victories. But before you dismiss this suggestion by calling me a liberal extremist who wants to suppress debate I would like to point out that I did not vote to remain in the EU (and at this stage I'm even less convinced that we should). I am just more concerned about our democracy being genuinely democratic than I am about getting my way.
So here's what I want you to ask yourself first... If the British public are savvy enough to hear both sides of an argument and make an informed decision then why do political campaigns bother to spend money on advertising? Can we not be swayed without even realising it?
This is bigger than Brexit so think carefully before you rush to conclude that the power of advertising (as its known) is just as fictitious as information warfare. If we bury our heads we can (and almost certainly will) be exploited in much more sinister ways.
@Charles White
It's not insulting to Leave voters. Or Remain voters. Or Tory voters. Or Labour voters.
No one is saying that every Euroskeptic voted Leave because of foreign influence. We had Euroskepticism before we had this issue. Didn't we?
If anything your argument is insulting to Remain voters. Are they too thick to appreciate a "strong argument" or what?
The problem is that SOME people are more suggestible than others. So just because you are immune that doesn't mean everyone else is. And it doesn't take a lot to swing a closely matched race does it?
But let's be honest. You don't care as long as it works in your favour. You already blanked my point about the power of advertising as if there's no such thing. And that was just an example. Derren Brown can give you a dozen more.
And now you're playing the same game. Repeating simple mind tricks like "it's an insult" and "the liberal elites" (with absolutely no sense of irony) to try and avoid a proper investigation into the matter.
What are you going to tell me next? Brexiteers are immune to cognitive bias too? SNP voters are easily swayed by weak arguments? You already suggested that Leave voters are superior to Remain voters (because they know a "strong argument" when they see one).
Don't look! You might see something.
And where did Vote Leave's rubles come from?
In the US the Russian thing kind of backfired repeatedly and when it did backfire the word Russian being repeated 200 times a day on every news channel went down to zero. *The very reason you accuse conservatives in a loony-toons way, is because YOU are fully guilty of it yourselves; because YOU are most vulnerable when accused of being “RuzkySpyTraitors” and connmies.* People accuse, our prime minister Boris of being next to Socialist Russia *... you have got to be STONED OUT OF YOUR TINY SKILLS! WHY ACCUSE HIM? BECAUSE YOU ARE FULLY GUILTY OF IT YOURSELVES. WE GOT YOU SUSSED-OUT!* In the US right now Biden is seen on dozens of videos with all the signs of dementia, so all of a sudden the Russians are spreading the word about *"Dementia-Joe"* according to their DHS. RIDICULOUS: *HELLO,* see his videos; he is incoherent and drops multiple words out of sentences, can't walk unaided. Had medical treatment for brain circulation problems and has "recovered". THE WHOLE WORLD SEES HIS SLURRING WORDS, HIS AVOIDANCE OF PUBLIC DEBATES, IT'S NOT SECRET.
Ministry of Truth, here we come!
This Government Is So Rubbish
@BLAIR M Schirmer bro, there have been more almost a dozen people tied to the president sentenced to jail about that issue here in the past 3 years.
OK - you've got the job, when do you start?
Boris Johnson is such a wimp... Putin scares him for real.
How would you know. Stupid comment.
@Jonas Candies Yes, nothing. I just roll around town dribbling with no thoughts or memories. Exaggerate much?
@Jonas Candies Are you like 5.
Trump need London on his side...so they put a yes man in london
Boris was born in New York
or Corbyn is such a clown the Tories could have ran a shoe against him and it would have won. why would the Russians bother rigging the last election? Labour did a fine job of fucking themselves over without any help
@@christophertucker4917 And?
@@florafauna5883 just an observation
@@conradblack779 The GE wasn't the jewel in the Russian tiara, it was the Brexit referendum. We know now Arron Banks got his £9m donation from Russian sources, but that apparently isn't a stone they wanted lifting.
I accept the referendum result, but something took us from 'a deal just like Norway's' to a 'jump off a cliff and hope Donald catches us' No Deal.
I guess eating hormone injected beef will save the brassiere industry, but we'd better get immune to food poisoning PDQ.
The intelligence services have to be told in order to investigate?
Why should they receive orders from the politicians to do so?
And if those politicians are corrupt then what happens?
I always thought the intelligence services are completely independent and if they see that the country is under threat, they would investigate without taking specific orders from anyone.
I find that a bit odd.
Put a tax on social media companies based on their activity in the UK, including advertising sales and money they make from selling our personal data. Do that, and they will perhaps start to care about their rights and responsibilities.
They think that this cyber stuff isn't going on around us its like a weird hollywood movie
Are you British?
Why are people surprised about interfearance, this has been happening for a long time. Look into Harold wilson, even then there was Russian intelligence in UK politics.
Are you British?
give a break, countries do this all the time for their special interest.
This is a report for those who don't know, which will be treated as such (blind). If a war starts anywhere the poor will always be sent to fight rich' people wars. Let the rich go and fight their wars, if they all died then there will be no wars to fight.
Arron Banks and the Russian loan that the lender doesn't seem to want paying back! All perfectly normal!
@K MT #ShitpostQuean
Will they release the report?
Wasn't Corbyn supposed to be the Russian sympathiser?
Politicians lie to fill pockets, what's new?
Bozo & Rump are OWNED !!!
Hmm
Of course they knew but did they use that against them for our own good
It's worth asking who Brexit is for.
@K MT Indeed! Best post you have shitposted all year, Al.
@K MT It's a good question.
"The whooooole internet is waiting..." Nah - you're an obvious liar. #ShitposyQuean
Be like America, spend a ton of money and years later determine there was nothing.
Internet and contributions to Conservative and Boris Johnsons campaign funds. Hmmmmmm.
No surprises here
Wow yeah wow
Remember: there are knowns, and there are unknowns. But there are also known unknowns, and there are unknown unknowns. The queston is: are there also unknown knowns?
Show the people evidence and they will believe it. It's pretty simple.
That didn't work in Russia's Brexit referendum. Evidence was specifically ignored.
Yet another highly likely?
So corrupt its disgusting
Plinkerty plunkery?
I'd be more concerned about who did the investigations.
What investigation?
@@gnhonho Quite.
There wasn't one is the point!
BECAUSE NO INTERFERENCE.
PROPAGANGA. AGAIN.
One rule for China another for Russia. 👍 I like it though.
"Paragraph 50] What is now clear is that it was in fact counter-productive, in that it offered ideal mechanisms by which illicit finance could be recycled through what has been referred to as the London ‘laundromat’. [...] This level of integration -in ‘Londongrad’ in particular -means that any measures now being taken by the Government are not preventative, but rather constitute damage limitation" p.16 of 20 of the Government Response to the Intelligence and Security Committee of Parliament Report ‘Russia’
So the authorities know that dirty roubles go to London for a good clean. We know they don't go back - so you can see whey avoiding ATAD is really important to hide ownership! I've been posting that for years. No wonder someone gets agitated!
so let's get this straight: a couple of days ago it was reported that one of the main societies appointed by the government for track and tracing with no public tendering had been donating up to 170K to the Tories and reveled itself absolutely incapable of delivering the job and this nonsense brexit moaning is what you think it needs to be discussed?
Brexit's just a part of the wider ... rot at the top ... affecting the UK.
Boris who,i hear this name but what dose he actually do for a living .
Still believe the government telling the truth 😁😁😁😁😁😁
"We have previously discussed the extent to which economic policy dictated the opening of the UK to Russian investment. This indicates a failure of the security policy departments to engage with this issue -to the extent that the UK now faces a threat from Russia within its own borders." p.5 of 20 of the Government Response to the Intelligence and Security Committee of Parliament Report ‘Russia’
Some clever people who run this country, very clever. Now do we need new trade deals, dirty game politics. It's the absolute perfect set up. It was the last guy not me 😂😂
Apparently, the report doesn't say "actively avoided", that's from someone who contributed to the report, or maybe just read it... Nice one C4N.
"Nothing propinques like propinquity". He's in bed with them !
The Tories have received millions of £'s from Russian oligarchs so questioning 'Russian' money...is frowned upon ! But they didn't question these oligarchs loyalty...Putin, Boris, Putin, Boris...?
Rubbish
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What’s your point?
@@g0801215 I don't believe you're that ignorant, so based on that and on your tone also I'm going to assume that you're a shill.
@@g0801215 Probably the Bill Gates conspiracy theory.
@@BDaMonkey the conspiracy fact.
@@axelwakler540 Hahahaha you crazy man you.
We need a new brexit vote
It's too late for that.
Indeed we do. Brexit is poison.
@MM79 "Still unable to accept reality I see" Effing stupid comment. It 's precisely because of reality that people posted that!
You can't accept reality! See what I did?
@MM79 because your happy to have a Russian made shotgun pointed to your head doesn't mean others are as keen.
Brexit with the truth told. That would be nice for voters.
Selling the country to Russian money,Tory traitor's
Haha good joke
It's all a bit fishy. So many Russia connections!
@K MT Fancy an FSB goon like you getting all triggered at that, Al. #ShitpostQuean
They're running around the Kremlin like scalded chickens at the moment. Cummins had better check under his car this evening.
@@ricardoortez9812 Maybe Cummings is a bit of an asset? He's keen to do what certain Russians want over what most Brits under the age of 40 want.
@K MT Fancy an FSB goon like you getting all triggered at that, Al. Awesome. #ShitpostQuean
No smoke without fire. There's a lot of smoke!
uk stay away with our russian brothers orthodox countries will be together
😂😂🤣🤣
Boris and Trump
Was there mention of Corbyn in the report, I wonder.
Corbyn is a Marxist.
Putin leads the anti-Marxist party so there never was a link.
No link. Tories are bought. Corbyn, despite anything you could say against him, was a man of principal.
I thought channel 4 loved communism. 🙃
Why? Are you a cretin?
@K MT K MT is a putinbot. She's especially obvious today! #ShitpostQuean
@K MT Get some new material ballbag!
pi$$ off troll bot
@K MT I thought RT loved genocide. 🙃
Anyone can shitpost, Al. You're not even the best here. #ShitpostQuean
Channel 4 twisting the truth as usual.
So much so you had to get a new account just to say it! Al well with you?
@@emm_arr lol no idea what you're talking about. You clearly think I'm someone else. Sounds like Id like the guy or gal.
Ps. You can see my account was created 6 years ago buddy. Do some basic checks maybe.
@@mrkelly6598 Sounds like you know what I am talking about!
Does a six-year-old account make you *not* who I think you are?!
@@emm_arr MR creepy. I have no idea who you are. What's my old account name?
@@mrkelly6598 "What's my old account name?" I think you are the person who runs tens of accounts here.
So what? The US mingle in the politics of about every country.
Russia is a greater threat to Western democracy, prosperity and security than the US, it is instigating a Zero Sum game, and its winning, as it is prepared to go to any length, including killing, that is the 'so what'!!!
If you can't see the problem with this, then you really need to go away and educate yourself.
The UK government and voters are doing already a great job, bringing its own demise, without any interference from outside.
@@BDaMonkey You are asking for far too much, thats how the Leave campaign won, just! By presenting a simple binary narrative (that was false) to these xenophobic idiots that made their prejudices acceptable!!
@@Chris66Mas How do you know that?
Can you spot the FSB Shitpost Quean?
@K MT Nope. You are a #ShitpostQuean. The #ShitpostQuean, even!
The person reading this may you have an amazing day and may you stay blessed with your lovely family and may your dreams come true..
My dream is to have 20k.. I been struggling to get there..... 😊
Well done for spamming
Your dream is to have 20k subs? That's a sad thing to dream of.
Where's Joe McCarthy when you need him, the red scare all over again.
Russia isn't red. Putin is the leader of the anti-Marxist party.
because Julian Lewis MP is a well know raging leftie conspiracy theorist? No concern about foreign intelligence organisations corrupting our national politics just as long as it happens to support your preferences?
@@julianshepherd2038
I didn't say Russia was currently red, I said "the red scare all over again". The red scare was not just a fear of communism but Russia itself.
@@soviet9366
Every government in the world tries to interfere in the politics of other governments. That's what government's do. Do you think the UK, US & EU government's had no hand in the destabilisation of the Ukraine.
Foreign governments are going to try and interfere in your elections and politics, it's what they do. I'm sure almost every government in the world have secret departments set up for the concept.
I'm almost sure the Russians have been continually interfering in British politics for well over 150 years.
The only real question is, how effective is there interference and did it actually change any out come ever.
The point of my comment was, you are a crediting to the Russians more power and influence then they actually have.
@@jjosephs6521 Sensible comments - but I don't credit Russia with any success at all. I do share Julian Lewis's alarm at the idea any British government - Labour or Conservative would not want to know about it. I think that leaves us looking weak and irresolute. Do you think the FSB would have been leaving nerve agents lying around Salisbury if Thatcher had ben PM?
Your coverage is offensive left wing dribble. This report is sourced from the same dribble from the same people who put together the fake dossier about Trump/Russia collaberation !
It's vile biassed news.....your speciallity,!
You are obvious.
The Mueller report says the Russians interfered in the 2016 election and Mueller is a Republican recruited for the investigation by Republicans. Seems a bit negligent of the Russians to spike the US election and not divide the organisation on its doorstep.
It doesn't fit your world view. That being ignorance.