Defiant Biden Digs In and Attacks Elites Over Concern About His Fitness
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- President Biden stays on the offensive, calling into his favorite morning show to excoriate the naysayers, rallying support among old allies, and vowing to everyone who will listen that he’s staying the race no matter what. Jon, Lovett, and Tommy lay out President Biden’s strategy and size up whether it’s working so far. And as the fight over Biden’s future moves to Capitol Hill, Lovett talks with Rep. Ro Khanna-a key Biden surrogate-about which way House members will go, and what Biden could be doing better.
CHAPTERS
00:00 - Intro
1:22 - Biden ABC interview
17:40 - Biden's age in the media
45:57 - If Biden steps down
58:50 - Ad break
1:01:24 - Ro Khanna Interview
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I’d rather vote for a boiled potato over Trump, but the Democrats need to stop giving us “better than Trump” candidates and start giving us someone who will stop this handmaids tale hellscape we are living in. We need a true leader who will unite the country, the 99%, not just the Democrats.
Yes. We aren't going to be able to address the Supreme Court problem with a traditionalist like Biden.
70%
We'll never get diehard MAGA. You can get Dems, Independents and non-Voters., which do make up a majority
Someone who can 'unite the country' is a pipe dream right now. Biden is the most centrist candidate imaginable, and the firebreathing MAGAs think he's a socialist. The person I think would do the best is Josh Shapiro with someone with foreign policy chops.
@@IllusAuthor We aren't going to address _anything_ if we get Trump, look at it this way, we can DO four more years of Biden, another Trump administration destroys _everything,_ choose wisely, a freaking _cat_ would be a better choice than Trump, we absolutely cannot survive another Trump administration, with the _monarch_ upgrade, we _can_ survive another four years of _this,_ do you even remember how bad Trump _was?_ You replace the _incumbent_ with a question mark (and it WILL be a bigger question mark than Biden) Trump will _definitely_ win....
When Stephanopoulos asked Biden how he would react if he lost to Trump and all the evils he (Biden) dreaded came to pass, Biden said, in essence, that as long as I did my very best, tried my hardest...
Biden's answer focuses upon himself and whether he did his very best to win, and not upon the terribly catastrophic, truly devastating impact of a second Trump presidency upon the entire free world. Biden entirely missed a very important opportunity to drive home the true existential threat of Trump and MAGA.
That is such a BS question. Hey imagine losing bro!! What is right way to answer?
He wasn't asked what would happen to the world if Trump wins. He asked how he would feel.
@@kesart8378 he literally said the word 'goodest'
What did you expect him to say? "I would committ self exit if Trump won'????
It's a very relevant question. He's losing in the polls. @@chrishernandez3895
This reminds me of the time I had to convince by 75 year old father to stop driving because he was becoming erratic and forgetful and terrifying to drive with. He never had an accident but he would stop for no reason in the middle of traffic. My mother voluntarily stopped driving at 80 because she just didn’t feel safe anymore. She said that there was too much to keep track of when driving. It’s time for Biden to give up the keys to the car. The stakes are so much higher here. Please fix it because I’m a Canadian and can only watch this potential disaster unfold.
"I don't need to stop driving, people will go out of their way to avoid hitting me even if I do stop randomly in traffic" is a pretty apt simile to "people will vote for me because the alternative is worse, even if I am showing some signs of decline"
yea, it's true, but not *everyone* is actively looking for someone stopped in the middle of the road, and not everyone is gonna go out and vote just because they're paying attention to how bad trump is. We need someone who can deliver that message to those people who *arent* paying attention or who *arent* already convinced, and Biden just isn't doing it.
We are basically being told by the campaign that we need to deny reality. If the goal is to deny Trump the presidency, Biden should obviously drop out - that is the reality.
No if Biden leaves Trump wins. Republicans have said that they will challenge any ballot changes in court. Who do you think SCOTUS will rule in favour of?
And who should be president instead that will get enough people to know who they are and have enough campaign money and get enough votes to win when it's FOUR AND A HALF months until the election?
@@PimpessRockstar The French and the British do it all the time. Harris has more than enough name recognition. My response to you is: what, like it's hard?
Really, really respect y’all for not just towing the line. As an Ohio dem who’s been trying to register voters (thanks to stuff I learned on this channel and your book, btw) I think the party is very, very out of touch with average voters and the general vibe of the country. With a younger leader who represents the future and Sherrod Brown on the ticket, we can make Ohio purple again. We’ve been kicking ass with special election turnout. But Biden represents everything that many people hate about politics: he is an old man who is too proud to step aside and make way for a new generation. This is something I hear from old folks, too! Not just campus kids.
Is it possible to win with Biden? I think so. I think maybe. But with basically any other democrat we could make it a historic shellacking. People are so, so ready to move on from Trump. The fact of a Biden/Trump rematch is THE thing that is making folks want to stay home. The idea that we have these two candidates again has made so many people feel that nothing has changed in the past 4 years. And idk if you’ve noticed this, but voters do not make decisions based on cold calculated logic.
Well said
Let's hope the voters logic includes the lessons from history &
.A big dose of reality:-
.Vote 💙💙💙💙💙💙
Still much more work to do; however, with the ❤ Biden / Harris Administration:-
↘️ Record low unemployment
↘️ Record low child poverty
↘️ Record low violent crime in 40 years - down from the highs of the previous Trumplies administration
↘️ Record low abortions ( *before* overturning of Roe v Wade)
⬆️ Record high help for Veterans
⬆️ Record high job numbers
⬆️ Record high infrastructure work across the Nation
⬆️ Record high technology manufacturing
⬆️ Record high Unions helping workers to move from survival to thriving
⬆️ Record high help with prescriptions for Seniors
⬆️ Record high energy production
⬆️ Record high stock market
↪Globally - Lowest inflation
⤴️Globally - Record Covid pandemic recovery
Thank you! I feel the exact same here in WI
I don't care about polls but which Democrat polls higher against trump right now than Biden? Biden is probably the only real choice we have right now. Maybe the best thing Biden could do is to say after reelection, he'll resign in January and let Kamala take over.
Both parties are corporate owned... 100% for the R-Party and 80% to 90%+ for the D-Party... 😒
I turned on the abc interview, saw how old biden sounded and had to turn it off. Just remembered how much Obama looked aged after his first term; I think it's legit to also come to terms that Biden has aged harder than expected. It doesn't help that Biden first ran as a one term president initially. I will always vote for him if he 's on the ballot, but its hard to seriously look at him when it feels like I'm voting for the party and not the person.
It's hard is it ??
Let's make it a little easier, friend.
A huge dose of reality:-
Vote 💙💙💙💙💙💙💙
President Biden needs to speak directly to the American people alone - looking straight at the camera. Whether setting out his achievements, responding with 'zingers', or refuting Trump lies, address us - not the malignant, pathological liar in the room.
Guys, guys please refrain from fostering further chaos.
Tellingly, for Democrats to lose the incumbency advantage with President Biden would be "catastrophe" for Democrats Nov 2024, according to eminent scholar & historian, Allan Lichtman.
President Biden's team needs to bring in Dr Ramani Durvasula to assist with preparation before the next debate. She's a recognized expert in strategies for dealing with pathological liars.
Changing the nominee???
Democrats tried this chaos inducing strategy before & they lost big time.
Everyone who loves America & truth has to double up & treble-up on the work needed between now and Labor Day to back Biden/Harris and to save democracy
Democrats should know their own history.
They tried this double-minded, change horses in the middle of the stream fantasy at the Democratic convention in the 1960s.
The result: - they lost the White House
This is only one debate.
Debates are not elections.
When your sports team underperforms, do you change teams???
Pull back on prioritizing RepublicanMAGA talking points & get it together 💙
So, I get it.
Y'all thought the next 130 days was going to be easier. You're disappointed.
Bottom line though, you sound like RepublicanMAGAs & their proven skewed pollsters and political strategists.
It's not 'unreality' to say: -
Stop panicking, start problem solving!
Which of the Presidential nominee debate "winners" over the last 60 years went on to win the Presidency??
The Democrats must blitz the American public with the best of Biden - concentrating on the swing States.
*But* *will* *they??????*
I have so much respect for y'all, however, by the time you wake up tomorrow morning, you need to be in problem solving mode.
*Not* canvassing a late Convention change in the Democratic nominee.
Let's Vote 💙💙💙💙💙💙 up and down the ballot
I don't remember Biden ever indicating that he intended to run once only, but I hear people saying this all the time. any idea where you got this impression?
I will also begrudgingly vote for him on the ballot. It is super risky to bet on everyone doing that, though. I do not have faith
@@MrSnailwoodI don’t think he explicitly said he would only run for one term, but did say that he wanted to be a “bridge” for future leaders. People interpreted it how they wanted to
@@MrSnailwood it was widely reported in 2019 that he explicitly told his aides that he would not run for re-election in 2024. He tempered that reporting with the “being a bridge” comments. He later back pedaled by refusing to commit to not running when asked publicly. That makes sense from a strategic standpoint but doesn’t denounce his previous comments.
So US democracy will fall due to one man's hubris and one party's stubbornness... 🤦🏻♀️
It doesn't matter if Biden believes in himself, especially when a lot of us who are his supporters have doubts. I can't imagine how the middle and undecided voters are going to think/vote. Not only has his message not been clear, he's not a good communicator AND he still mumbles making it hard to decipher what he is saying. My mother was literally struggling to understand him and then got frustrated and turned off the stream. She's going to vote blue regardless but she isn't the voters he needs to convince and if he can't even convince voters that are on his side, then how is he going to convince others? Perhaps we will just have to resign ourselves to our fate of having an orange tyrant as our dictator going forward.
Please can someone explain to me why do establishment Democrats have their head so up their asses?? As much as I respect Biden in the past, literally anybody would be better than Biden right now. Why can't the Dem party/campaign think strategically instead of catering to one man's personal pride?? The denial and rationalization of some Dems is wild to me. It's like 2016 again when some of us saw Trump coming a mile away and many Dems didn't realize or want to acknowledge the orange buffoon's threat.
I don't think it is all a forgone conclusion that literally anyone would be better. They might do a better campaign, but we are so close to the election now and we have enough experience with contested conventions and changing candidates in mid-stream - no one has ever won that way. And the other possible candidates don't have the incumbency or widespread name recognition, which shows in the polling that's being done.
It's a huge unknown to change to another candidate now. No one can say whether it would make things better or worse.
I really hate the Biden camp’s argument that he’s the only one who has already beaten Trump. Yes. Barely.
He never stood out. But because as each potential nominee dropped out Biden took a certain amount of what was left. He just ended up last out.
Can you imagine how different the world would be with Warren or Buttigieg in 2020? Would they have beaten Trump? I think so. In fact I think they would have done much better. And we wouldn’t be having this conversation now.
If nothing else the fact that Trump is a literal felon and rapist who led a failed coup, and the candidate is neck and neck. That’s a failure.
I voted for Elizabeth Warren in the 2020 primary. I saw her in an interview today & it reminded me how much I admire her. Mayor Pete would be a great president.
And as we've learned, he UNDERperformed polls. Bernie woulda done better.
Lmfao neck and neck. Trump at this point is going to win the popular vote. Neck and neck? Completely delusional.
I'm fucking nauseous all the time now.
Only now Biden makes you nauseous? The open borders, crazy spending, and abuse of power didn't do it for you?
I feel you ❤
Same :(
That’s your cognitive dissonance alleviating. Everyone knew deep down that Biden wasn’t okay, just like these guys just admitted.
Good!
It's not Biden’s mental fitness that concerns me. It’s that he has never led Trump in the polls and I fear Trump will win. Even if Biden were to be Week-end at Bernie's level he would be a better president than Trump bc Biden would surround himself with smart, decent democrats and the country will survive.
People that surround him weren't elected. Biden is in charge of the most lethal military and nuclear arsenal in the world. no one else has this authority. The man in this position HAS TO BE able to think clearly and rationally.
You should be worried about his mental fitness. He has obvious signs of parkinsonism, a syndrome that may or may not be caused by Parkinson’s disease. Part of what he is experiencing is diminished executive function. This not only affects working memory and ability to focus, as already seen in Biden, but also judgment and higher-order thinking in general. In addition, his communication abilities are being affected by hypophonia (soft voice), aphasia (forgetting and mixing up words/names), and masked facies (lack of facial expression).
Biden must retire as soon as possible because he can not articulate his way back. In fact, I am afraid he will get slaughtered at the next debate, then it will be too late.
@@diannef315 It's unfortunate that polls are so unhelpful these days. They were never great at predictions, but they used to be off the way weather reports are off. Now they're systematically over counting R votes. I've heard that it might be because they all use census data and the 2020 census was inaccurate.
Check out Allan Lichtman. He has a statistically valid prediction model. And for productive ways to help, look up Hopium Chronicles by Simon Rosenberg.
So naive 🤦🏽♂️
I'm 75. At every annual checkup, I have to do that silly cognitive test. I've actually failed the "remember 5 things" bit, but last year I didn't because I was determined that Trump wouldn't beat me.
GD it! He didn't "win the votes." He was handed the nomination. We didn't have any choice!!!!!!
Thank you for being real about this issue and not gaslighting people about the problem we face. I fear Trump will win because of how not excited people are about Biden.
No way! He imported 10M+ migrants, the bidophile has a plan!
What are you talking about Biden is gaslighting us. He is saying that he's mentally fit when we all saw that he isn't That's the definition of gaslighting.
You actually think this is about Biden? It is about democracy and stopping Trump from becoming a dictator. I would vote for Biden if he was plugged into life support.
@@henryf.9154he is plugged into life support right now.
@@henryf.9154 But Independents won't. Democrats can't wain with Democrats alone.
I've been annoyed a few times regarding the media's coverage of Biden's issues, but I'll admit it's out of fear, mostly. I feel like Trump's lies deserved a bigger spotlight immediately after the debate, but everyone decided that was unimportant in comparison to Biden's age.
with all due respect some americans do not have the intellectual capability of a grade 9 student. biden i think is no question an older man who does not have the physical stamina he had maybe 6 months ago but his intellectual prowess is not significantly diminished- cpmpared to trump who by apoearances physically looks the same as 4 years ago but his mental and intellectual acuityhas in fact diminished. if buden runs i believ he wil win
NO, we all heard Biden lie about every single stat he mentioned, and many other things. Did you not hear his lies, or just didn't care?
It’s the medias job to report the news… not cover for the Democratic Party. Trump hasn’t done anything newsworthy while Biden’s health is the biggest story, maybe in the whole world.
@@MrBogus213 what about Biden’s obvious lies? Those were okay for you? Trump lied about 30% more than Biden. Is that your moral cut-off?
I'm not happy with the conversations. They are using the narrow view of people steeped in politics. The polls barely shifted - less than the margin of error. Pundits have been slamming him for almost two weeks and he lost 2 points. He's fine.
Ro Khanna tiptoed through that minefield Lovett left him with real political skills.
THANK YOU FOR NOT GASLIGHTING US. Biden has serious issues he needs to deal with, or leave.
I have gained so much respect for this show, holy shit. God job yall. Real video here.
“Yes we can!” was ever so slightly more inspiring than “Shut the fuck up, and fall in line.”
Yes we can gets people to vote more that’s for sure
I am not American so I can't vote over there but the whole world is going to be affecte by this election: quite honestly if Democrats go on to field a candidate that is clearly not fit to drive a car let alone steer a superpower like the US for the next 4 years they deserve the punishment that is Donald Trump (the most morally and personally unfit candidate of the modern age).
Both were slogans of the Democrats.
"Deport Every Illegal" is a slogan I support!
"STFU and fall in line" isn't good messaging from a party whose stance has consistently been one against the destruction of our democracy, for sure.
Will we ever have a democrat candidate as unifying and common sensical as those two campaigns? 07-08 campaign especially? Republicans are setting up Tulsi to do that in 2028 I guarantee it.
I just heard most of this on Spotify but want to see your faces. I understand that Biden can't drop out until after the NATO summit. I am looking forward to the day after.
I also read someone bringing up Ruth Bader Ginsberg. She was fabulous, and yet, years later, I still have a sour taste in my mouth about how her death helped to bring about the current Supreme Court situation.
@@silverXnoisethink that’s bad, in the UK the Maga aligned Reform Ltd Party are under investigation for making AI candidates.
RBG had a few bouts with cancer. Apples to oranges
That sour taste is Mitch Mc Connel's doing. He's the one first delaying an appointment and them rushing the next/
@@FemFloridaa few bouts with cancer at 87 years old. Sounds similar.
Now imagine if Biden stays in the race and actually wins the election to only then die (I wish him well) a few weeks after the election, with Republicans holding to the house, does anyone really think the GOP will certify that election with Harris as President elect? They will pull some scheme and steal the election in the same way they stole a Supreme Court Justice appointment and the Presidential election of 2000.
On a human level, in the 90s I lived thru my dad's Alzheimer's. It was heartbreaking, gut wrenching...and progressive. Dementia comes in stages..and when watching the debate, the facial expressions, the responses, everything Biden said/did was a duplication of my dad's early-mid stage dementia. So on a human level, my heart goes out to him, his family. However...teh stakes are far FAR too great to be concerned about how Biden leaving the ticket would hurt him..ALL the GOP has to do is show actual clips from the debate, and they will win the election. He will lose, and lose to a dangerous, unwell man. If the Ds choose to continue to drive the 'car' off the cliff, history will not be kind. Bigly.
Biden has no signs of Alzheimer’s. He has normal aging issues. Trump is the one with worsening dementia.
Joe Biden does not have Alzheimer’s! He has normal aging. He’s more frail, talks slower & softer. Trump has obvious symptoms of worsening Alzheimer’s. Have you noticed how he garbles up words & doesn’t know what he’s saying; his head drops down & to his left. Or how about accusing Nikki Haley of not taking the additional troops needed on Jan 6th? Talking about Obama as if he’s still president. The incidents are endless.
Joe Biden's response of I wont feel bad if I leave it all on the field is unacceptable. I'm literally wondering if Trump wins again if federal agents are going to be attacking my neighbors and if my trans friends will be safe.
@jwebster126 bahahahahaha... cope harder. Turn off MSNBC. I think you're full.
@@EarlyRiser71 - are you just ignoring what Trump is telling us he is going to do?
@@katieb1259 Nah, he’s just a boot licker. Just like the types of people who fell for the n*i propaganda back in the 1930’s.
@@katieb1259 you people have already experienced him before. You try to sell your lies like he's never been in office. If he wanted to do it, he would have already. I would take him ANY DAY over Dementia Joe and Cackling Kamala!
Wow, sounds a lot like what people were saying in 2016. Weird how that didn't happen then but it's "totally for real" happening this time.
Thank you for speaking out loud what we all saw and continue to see ~ coming from you guys means a lot!!!
He even had the orange bronzer look during that interview. I know satire died a while ago , but this is nutso.
I think Ro makes a lot of great points, but personally I don't subscribe to the idea that people want familiarity right now. The fact is that this race is between two old people who have already been president. People don't really like either of them but want to vote for the lesser of two evils, especially younger voters like me. I think bringing a fresh face into the race, especially against someone like Trump who is already so unlikeable, would be a slam dunk to win the race. I think that will actually ENERGIZE people to get out and vote, rather than begrudgingly choose who's the lesser of two evils. It seems so obvious but people in Washington just aren't getting it.
Having done extensive campaigning for Stacey Abrams, I think it’s important to recognize how big of a role sexism plays here. There is a large contingent of men, both black and white, who typically vote Democrat, who just will not vote for a woman. Period. Look what happened to Hillary. And then, when you add racism on top of that… it’s a serious double whammy.
@@dvezha especially fat ones.
The same Stacy Abrams that is a soros backed propagandist?
True, but if Michelle Obama would run, I think she would win in a landslide.
I believe you. This sucks.
This is a victimhood crap myth. Nearly 69M people voted for Clinton in 2016. 3M more than Trump.
I’m a hard left voter, I’m not going anywhere, whatever candidate is on the ticket that’s my candidate. The independents that are actually undecided, they have been subjected to the sleepy joe narrative and they believe it (true or not). It may not be fair to president Biden, but we have a secure base, it’s worth exploring someone who appeals to the undecided.
Totally agree. Biden is a hero, but he needs to step aside and let Kamala beat Trump.
Kamala cant beat anyone
@@Belligerent_HeraldIf we do this now, we lose.
It's also going to be an issue that leading Democrats have been pounding the message that Trump's a threat to democracy, yet seem remarkably complacent with Biden despite his continued low polling. So it looks like they're resolved to Biden losing in November.
My point is that it's going to be more difficult to get people to vote for Biden if they're not convinced (based on the behavior of leading Dem politicians) that Trump's not really an existential threat.
@MartyAckerman310 Well then, instead of detaching yourself from the result, get involved. Trump lied once every 3 minutes in that debate. Trump is also old. Trump is a pervert and he's demented. Trump has been slurring his words since 2016. Who is calling for him to step down?
He can win?! Really?! What's he going to do if there's a second debate??
I'm praying that it never happens.
He won the primary is such a crock
DNC made it publicly clear that they stood behind Biden and wanted a coronation. They sanctioned zero debates. Less than half the number of Democrats voted this cycle than they did in 2020 primaries.
We all have been gaslit. The truth was revealed during the debate and never proven otherwise. Reading someone else's speech (teleprompted) or sitting down to a pre-planned "interview" will only reinforce the horrible debate. We deserve better than denial and references to the past. Good lord, even unable to remember if ya watched your own debate when asked by George?? What's going on here? This is SO angering. The country depends on a winner fighting trump. Stop the gaslighting.
Biden doesn’t THINK he watched the debate afterward?? He either did or he didn’t!🤦🏻♀️ Come on!
It's a figure of speech for goodness' sake. He didn't say it like he couldn't remember. Folks are really reaching here.
It’s not a figure of speech. It’s a hedge.
@@linguaphile42lol yes it's figure of speech for lying
You clearly are illiterate. Did I watch a particular movie? No I don't think so, it was a B rated movie so I walked my dog instead.
@@linguaphile42Ah yes that well known figure of speech. "Did you watch that thing you did on a stage on national TV a matter of days ago?" "I don't think so."
I got so frustrated when Biden said he didn’t watch the debate back. It just shows we’re shouting out to someone who doesn’t care to listen.
That's not really fair. He knew in the moment he blew it, I'm sure he knew why (and has probably been told by a hundred people all the ways he screwed up), so there was really no reason to watch it.
@@RandomFandomDragon The problem is that he probably HASN'T been told by a hundred people all the ways he screwed up. He's close aides are NOT telling him, he is losing in the polls, then they're NOT telling him he did an horrendous debate, followed by a weak interview after about a week. It's the exact same problem Trump has, too many sycophants.
@@RandomFandomDragon Respectfully disagree. I think it would have been helpful for him to watch it the way the audience saw it, especially his posture and facial reactions when he wasn't talking but was shown on the split screen.
@@HarryF-tz5fo Nah mate, as someone who spends an embarrassing amount of time following American politics, the disparity from 2020 is stark. I can provide a link if you're interested.
@@RandomFandomDragon even middle school sports teams review film. Not watching your own debate as a presidential candidate is below amateur.
I'm not American, but what struck me the most about the debate is how bad Biden was as a messenger on abortion. Not only did he pivot from abortion to immigration for some reason, but he was also talking about the trimester framework which the SC abandoned in Casey. If he says he wants to codify Roe, which one does he want to codify? Roe before Casey or after Casey? The reproductive rights issue has to be the most important in the campaign, and it doesn't seem to me that Biden could make it one. When women are actually losing their health because of abortion bans, the Democratic candidate shouldn't be talking about trimesters or any kind of stupid framework.
I love Biden. But, many people I know feel that they cannot vote for Biden after the debate. They don't like Trump, but will not vote for Biden because he seems too old.
biden out.
A few thoughts…
…I was disappointed when Biden announced he was running for re-election when he said he would be a one term president.
…I am concerned about his age and seemingly decline.
…I am on the fence about Biden stepping down. I am committed to vote for the Democratic candidate no matter who it ends up being.
…I’m reminded of the last days of Reagan’s second term when his Alzheimer’s was kept secret and Nancy and her astrologer was playing a role in running the country. Biden has a strong, competent staff supporting him and a competent VP who could take over.
…When Biden is not campaigning, he is doing his job as President. When Trump is not campaigning, he’s eating fried chicken and playing golf.
None of this debate changes what I’m going to do in November, vote blue no matter who.
What do you do between elections though?
excuse me in 2020 i dont reccall him saying he would be a 1 term president. ithink a fair inference could be construed from comments he made but i never heard him explicitly say that
It’s not friends of the pod we are worried about voting in November. It’s all the people who will just stay home because they don’t like either guy.
Sounds like we have work to do in our communities as we have a candidate.@anniekate76
@@peterrobinson1041he said he was running for one term. He’s a liar. I think there should be a 75 year old age limit on running for any office, new appointments, and judges.
Thanks for not trying to say the sky is green like every democrat I've seen doing the rounds lately. That interview was awful and it kinda locked in 2 things I've been thinking about Biden for awhile; 1. Biden thinks he is owed a second term, and 2. Biden either doesn't believe that democracy is on the ballot or he doesn't care. The way he seems indignant about being asked if he's too old just comes off like an entitled politician who believes himself already designated to the highest office of the land. And you cannot tell me that someone who actually believes democracy in our country is in danger from Trump, which I do, would be fine with Trump winning so long as he himself gave it all he has. Hope he steps aside, and soon.
Who is ready and willing to step up for democrats? I don't think Harris is ready to take on trump.
@ford
Exactly.
The sky is definitely not green over here. I’d prefer he step down, but if Biden doesn’t step down, then he’s still got my vote. There should be a balance of “Biden should step down, but if he doesn’t, he’s still done a damn good job and will still get our vote” instead of an all doom message because that may convince people who don’t understand enough about the difference between the two candidates to come out to vote at all.
Aurora Borealis 😂
. a huge dose of reality:-
Vote 💙💙💙💙💙💙💙 up and down ballot.
President Biden needs to speak directly to the American people alone - looking straight at the camera. Whether setting out his achievements, responding with 'zingers', or refuting Trump lies, address us - not the malignant, pathological liar in the room.
Guys, guys please refrain from fostering further chaos.
Tellingly, for Democrats to lose the incumbency advantage with President Biden would be "catastrophe" for Democrats Nov 2024, according to eminent scholar & historian, Allan Lichtman.
President Biden's team needs to bring in Dr Ramani Durvasula to assist with preparation before the next debate. She's a recognized expert in strategies for dealing with pathological liars.
Changing the nominee???
Democrats tried this chaos inducing strategy before & they lost big time.
Everyone who loves America & truth has to double up & treble-up on the work needed between now and Labor Day to back Biden/Harris and to save democracy
Democrats should know their own history.
They tried this double-minded, change horses in the middle of the stream fantasy at the Democratic convention in the 1960s.
The result: - they lost the White House
This is only one debate.
Debates are not elections.
When your sports team underperforms, do you change teams???
Pull back on prioritizing RepublicanMAGA talking points & get it together 💙
So, I get it.
Y'all thought the next 130 days was going to be easier. You're disappointed.
Bottom line though, you sound like RepublicanMAGAs & their proven skewed pollsters and political strategists.
It's not 'unreality' to say: -
Stop panicking, start problem solving!
Which of the Presidential nominee debate "winners" over the last 60 years went on to win the Presidency??
The Democrats must blitz the American public with the best of Biden - concentrating on the swing States.
*But* *will* *they??????*
I have so much respect for y'all, however, by the time you wake up tomorrow morning, you need to be in problem solving mode.
*Not* canvassing a late Convention change in the Democratic nominee.
@@hellopaulyen
Yep,
Logic, meet Reality
Thx for injecting the necessary pragmatism.
Ro Khanna’s interview tells me that he and the party don’t think Trump is a real threat to the democracy; because he thinks it’s okay if we lose 2024 and is talking about “the next gen”. Must be nice to be so insulated.
He says he got votes in the primary. However, he was the only candidate in the primaries. He needs to step down. The younger generation does not like him and will not vote for him.
Dean Phillips was running, and Maryanne Williamson in some.
Kathleen....I'm sure the younger generation will be happier living in an anti-Democracy America exhorting Trump's crony Netanyahu to "finish the job". If they protest they too will learn about oppression that doesn't even *pretend* to respect human rights. As in snatched off the street by people in unidentified uniforms in unmarked cars, as already happened during the 1st Trump "presidency" protests in Portland Oregon.
Older young folks might comprehend the extent of the damage done, but too late.
This long introduction to oppression will steadily worsen and extend far beyond your role as "younger generation". Enjoy.
Kathleen...pardon the essay, but do you think your generation will be happier living in an anti-Democracy "America" with its King Trump encouraging his crony Netanyahu to "finish the job"? If they protest they too will learn about oppression that doesn't even *pretend* to respect human rights...as in snatched off the street by people in unidentified uniforms in unmarked cars, as already happened during Portland Oregon protests in the 1st Trump "presidency".
Older young folks might comprehend the extent of the damage done, but too late.
The long introduction to oppression will steadily worsen and extend far beyond any role as " the younger generation".
Voting won't matter anymore, but hey...less responsibility. Enjoy.
"That's not how aging works." Tommy laying down the ONLY point that is important. Biden has CHANGED because that is how aging works. Do not come to this argument with past acts.
So are they trying the Donald's playbook? Calling into morning shows? I've said since 2016 I'd vote for a literal baked potato over Trump, but why do they have to try so hard to test my commitment to my word, lol.
I mean, it worked for DJT.
As a Biden voter (2020 and in this year's primaries) and contributor (3 gifts since last October), I want Biden to drop out. Just had dinner with 9 other Democrats here in Louisiana and ALL 10 of us want Biden to drop out. Our fear is that Biden cannot win. I did not believe that last Spring but I do now. I/We are not elites. Joe: please drop out for the good of the country.
If Biden's still the nominee come the general election, I'll vote for him, full stop. That said, despite all he's accomplished domestically during his term, I've had an increasingly difficult time supporting him. The biggest shift prior to the debate was his unwavering fealty to Israel as they continue to escalate their genocide of the Palestinians in Gaza. Then the debate and its fallout happened. Now he's just a shell of his former self struggling not to unravel. Despite how I feel about Gaza, it's hard to watch him deteriorate like this.
And now, in his desperation, he is taking on some of the characteristics of the very threat he's supposed to be fighting against: Donald Trump. Attacking the media, telling the party to shut up and get in line, using lies about his polling and support to try to save face. I don't think the current Joe Biden has the humility to put the country above his own ego and fear of losing his own agency. We're in truly dangerous times and I fear for the future.
Also, Joe was asked a while ago at a press conference, 'who else could beat Trump', and he said 'i can think of 50 other Democrats'. So what he's said is in conflict with itself.
There's no logic to what he says. He's gone, Jack
Seems like he was implying that Trump is a weak candidate and the Democrats are ready to lead the country, but it came out poorly, as it often does with Biden. The right ideas are there, but something is breaking in his ability to comunicate.
I don’t think he believes sincerely that no one else could beat Trump. Of course there are. There are many
As bad as President Biden is st least there are those in his admin who will help govern . Trump is dangerous , racist , without any compassion . Only for himself not to mention all the people who are around Trump will help govern example project 25 or are a group of dangerous people.
@@SE-gs6gd That may be the case but think about this: How many of those people have the contacts in government to get things done? I'll give a simple example. In Executive Recruiting (I mean for 7 figure salary executives) The executives are not recruited because of their ability to "perform live" they are recruited because of their "Rolodex" or if you don't know what a Rolodex is; they are recruited because of their Contacts. If you honestly think that Obama would have won against War Hero John McCaine had he NOT chosen Joe Biden as his running made you are kidding yourself. I understand if Joe Biden pretended he was mute during this debate this would not be an issue at all. As I've said before, you want to see a performance? Go to a Taylor Swift Concert.
I have never heard Biden mention Project 2025. Not once.
The Biden campaign could come out with a statement that says Joe Biden has terminal pancreatic cancer. I'm still voting for him regardless. I do understand why people are concerned though..
I don’t appreciate his campaign punching back against voters like me, an ordinary Democrat who has voted for him and will again, because I have no choice. I don’t appreciate Biden laughing about my concerns either. Frankly he’s pissing me off, and I resent the name-calling. He’s being a jerk.
If he gets elected and then we’ve got to 25th amendment him later, I’m getting to the point I won’t even feel sorry or sad for him.
I voted for Biden too. I'm so angry at him, his family, and his staff for gaslighting the American people. He is more driven by his ego than the future of the nation. I've started thinking of him as Trump 2.0 because he just lies, bullies, & demands loyalty. He's no patriot. He should be ashamed.
I'm also a little tired of the "respect the voters" argument, because the Democratic party took away NH's delegates because they dared to defy their schedule. We only seem to care about the will of the people in the Democratic party when we can use it as a shield against criticism.
None of these clowns care about democracy
You’re getting it!
Allan Lichtman says that either Biden must run again or resign the presidency to let Kamala Harris be president again in order to keep both the incumbency advantage and the advantage of keeping their party united for the presidential election. Plus, every time there's been an open seat for the presidency and the party in power does not have a clear consensus nominee or heir apparent, the party holding the White House has always lost.
@@rossgoldberg5201That guy also said Hillary would win so I always take what he says with a grain of salt.
Biden should resign now and make Kamala president. She can beat Trump! (This would also preserve Lichtman's keys)
He's still a disaster. It looks like "Weekend At Joe's". Can we please get Kamala up there. She may not be the perfect candidate. But looking at Biden, what do we have to lose?
President Biden, It’s not about what you’ve accomplished or to some extent, what you could do in a second term. It’s that the independent voters and swing states you need are slipping away. A new candidate is the best chance at getting them back.
Y’all have won me back. Thank you for respecting the voters enough to not gaslight them into disbelieving what we saw before our eyes
Absolute opposite of what might have convinced me that Biden was still a viable candidate and president. He needed to admit that he is experiencing normal decline for an 80 year old and then explain how that decline does not compromise his ability to execute the duties of president, including waking at 3am and deciding if the US should launch nuclear weapons. Perhaps impossible task
I’ve been his supporter, and will still vote for him. But, he really needed to let someone else to run for president, the day that trump registered to run again! He’s done a great job, but he needs to retire.
I feel like for AOC and Bernie, they just aren’t going to stick their necks out because it wouldn’t matter anyway. The left flank is always seen as the ones complaining and we are never listened to. So why should they bother. Any resistance coming from them would be seen as more reason for Biden to ignore the request. The best way for them to contribute is to stay out of it. lol. Once it is decided and the convention primary occurs then we can engage to support the best leftist candidate.
Isn’t the real question that’s keeping some of us up at night and giving a lot of us stress is: what if something like what happened at the debate or even worse happens again - maybe even happens more than once - between now and November?Then what?
Because if Biden is incapacitated and then Harris maybe had to invoke the 25th amendment and become president to finish this term, it doesn’t mean everyone will want to vote for her in Nov. Or maybe she doesn’t invoke the 25th and just steps in as VP. Who knows. Either way it could be chaos because of the looming election.
But does this type of scenario almost guarantee a Trump win because not enough people would vote for her especially in swing states (even if everyone here and their family and friends do vote for her)? That’s my greatest fear. That’s the scenario we’re being left facing with the Biden plan to just move on and pretend what happened at the debate isn’t likely to happen again given his age and the stress he’s under as president and candidate.
And that’s what is untenable to me.
But of course the Biden admin isn’t going to want to address it. They want to ignore this potential catastrophe for the election.
But this is a very possible scenario everyone else needs to be addressing and why they may need to fight even more for promoting Harris’s abilities than Biden, what the admin jointly (Biden and Harris, not Biden alone) accomplished, while exposing Project 2025 to more people, and convincing people that Harris will be great as VP or Pres.
But this is what needs to be addressed by the DNC, by our senators and congresspeople so that there are contingency plans in place that can kick in regardless what Biden wants because we can’t just hand the keys to the WH to Trump if Biden fails physically in any way before Nov. - heck before the inauguration.
You guys are so clearheaded about this. It breaks everyone’s heart to see Biden failing but there’s just too much on the line.
That's why Biden SHOULD STAY, HE'LL BEAT DEMENTED DIAPER DONNIE AGAIN, FOR SURE. 💙👍
Allan Lichtman says that either Biden must run again or resign the presidency to let Kamala Harris be president again in order to keep both the incumbency advantage and the advantage of keeping their party united for the presidential election. Plus, every time there's been an open seat for the presidency and the party in power does not have a clear consensus nominee or heir apparent, the party holding the White House has always lost. Look at what happened in 1952 when the Dems lost to GOP presidential nominee Eisenhower after Truman stepped aside. Look at what happened in 1968 when the Dems lost to Nixon after LBJ decide to not run for another term and the Democratic party had a bloody miserable divisive chaotic primary with a horrible racist Southern Democrat who further spoiled the election for the Democratic party by running as a major third party presidential candidate.
It doesn’t break my heart one bit bc this isn’t the Joe Biden Show I could care less about him or any other singular political personality
When Biden said he hasn't watched the debate my jaw DROPPED. I think that alone sums up a lot.
If Trump feels that some of the ideas in 2025 are "abysmal," why does he wish its architects good luck?
tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, .....
hope means nothing,
Affective, strategic, pro-active change and a fresh, smart & savvy new democratic candidate is what will win this election....
and protect American Democracy.
Trump hasn’t been able to speak a coherent sentence in years!
This is what drives me crazy about this whole thing. If people actually read transcripts of Trump speaking, they’d see that it more often than not makes NO SENSE. But sure, let’s all go after Biden…
Trump’s weird, though. Trump’s like a cult leader. His followers don’t question anything he says, and they think they understand what he’s saying. Fortunately, dems are less of a cult, and we do question our leaders. There are major questions about Biden’s fitness. Of course we will all vote for him if in fact he stays as the nominee, but listeners of the pod are not the voters he needs to convince. He is failing, on all levels, to make a convincing case for his fitness for office. He’s failing to attack Trump effectively, which should be very easy.
@cityandgirl they have been going after Trump for 10 years! Trump bad doesn't make Biden good
Trump is a prolific liar who appeared to have energy and vitality.
OTOH Biden appeared and sounded frail. His voice was very weak and he lost his train of thought. He’s unable to effectively campaign. He’s discounting voter and Dem congressman doubts of his fitness to campaign. Was it Biden’s ego or his inability to be self aware that kept him from stating years ago that he would be a one term President? Also, it seems that someone has been covering up his frailty from the public.
Yes, but that doesn't mean we should also be fielding an incoherent candidate. There is zero reason we should be setting the bar so low and sticking with a candidate that has a historically low approval rating and who is showing all the signs of dementia. We're falling into the same trap as MAGA where we care more about the ego of one man than we do about the future of the party.
For all of Trump's faults, our candidate should be DESTROYING him in the polls. The fact that Biden is losing soundly to him should be a warning sign. There's an iceberg dead ahead - but like crazy people, we insist on sticking with the status quo. Ruth Bader Ginsberg, Dianne Feinstein, now Biden. Those who don't remember the past are doomed to repeat it.
Ro Khanna is a leader for today. I think the Pod Save America guys should learn from his example - his calm and measured intelligence in the face of this national crisis - his calm and measured and respectful approach to the Biden question. I loved every thoughtful response he gave to Lovett's multitude of probing questions. I'd happily vote for Ro Khanna for President in future! He is inspiring...
Regarding the NATO quote from the ABC interview, it was grating to me as a European to hear Biden taking credit for "holding NATO together" and for the expansion with Sweden and Finland. The rest of NATO didn't just sit on their hands. The expansion was in no small part thanks to the diplomatic prowess of secretary general Stoltenberg. It felt like President Biden was taking credit for accomplishments that weren't entirely his, without recognizing all the important partners in that effort.
I'd like to applaud Lovette in the ferocity of his convictions this week. I don't know what I expected for the democratic party here, but it has been an infuriating ride.
I *keep saying* that, as a Democrat, I got steamrolled. I’ve been PO’d since we didn’t have a primary debate, before all the recent concerns about Biden’s age came about. The other possible candidacies got strangled in their infancy. I think Biden saying he was elected unopposed is a *really* bad look.
The Dem primaries weren't strangled. People were unimpressive in interviews. I remember Dean Phillips on Pod Save America - he had no platform other than Biden's approval ratings. There were events with no attendance. That's a very ordinary failed campaign.
Most of the other people running were nutjobs or antivaxers or both. I don’t think that these are the best Americans can do. We need good qualified candidates and Biden just happened to be the better choice out of most of them. I wish Bernie would have been the front runner but that just isn’t the reality we live in.
@@yesitschelle When? Where? I’m not a party insider, I don’t get to see anything until it’s on the national stage. It’s not like I’m likely to get a strong local democratic candidate in Texas… or the hours I spent on the Beto campaign would have made a difference. The money all comes from corporations and billionaires, even on the Dem side. See, strangled.
Allan Lichtman says that either Biden must run again or resign the presidency to let Kamala Harris be president again in order to keep both the incumbency advantage and the advantage of keeping their party united for the presidential election. Plus, every time there's been an open seat for the presidency and the party in power does not have a clear consensus nominee or heir apparent, the party holding the White House has always lost.
@@florence9556 Phillips did an interview on this TH-cam channel. It was early in the primaries, and he was pathetic. Williamson was on a couple of TV interviews. I'm not sure who interviewed her. Maybe on CBS? RFK started in the Democratic primary. He was doing rallies and town halls. He had some people at his events, unlike Phillips and Williamson. Most of them weren't getting donations. RFK got flooded with donations from Trump backers.
Candidates don't usually spend a lot of time in Texas. That's an electoral college problem. Sometimes they will visit you in a heated primary, but otherwise it's considered unchangeable.
I would never have voted yes for Joe in the primary if I'd had any idea about his physical condition. Claiming that Joe is owed those votes is just plain wrong.
Why aren't we talking about how trump's mental decline at 78 IS SO MUCH WORSE THAN JOE'S IS AT 81? 😱🤢🤮
@@jankwartel1860 Trump's mental decline isnt worse than Joe's, I think that should be obvious. Trump is a psycho but he's always been that way, and people have already factored it into their political calculus. Ignoring Joe's current mental state will lead to a Trump win in November.
I couldn't understand what Biden is saying. He whispers. He couldn't yell and fight against Trump in that lousy debate. He sure is yelling at Democrats without problem if you don't agree with him. Maybe we need close captioning.
Although I'm beginning to see the concerns about Biden more clearly every day, I still would like someone who is undecided who can explain what would allow them to vote for Trump no matter what condition Biden is in to serve. If Biden was in a coma, I'd vote for him over Trump a gazillion times. Because in the worst case scenario -- that Biden would become incapacitated after winning and Harris would step up -- the result is better than if Trump won.
I am so sick of hearing "Biden is the only one who can beat Trump". Says who, polling?? Biden is losing in those same polls.
We are going to lose if we stay on this course, we need to stop being cowards and listen to the general public - even if it means taking a risk.
As long as every illegal gets deported, I don't care who the Democrats nominate.
What they mean is I didn’t loose like Hilary, I barely won, and that’s it. It’s a far stretch to say he’s the only one who can beat him smh
I think this age conversation has gotten enough airtime and its time to move on as a party. We are in the last stages of the election and every minute wasted on arguing about Biden's fitness for office is another minute that could have gone to talking about Biden's record and Trump's terrible record and lack of fitness for office. Biden, whether decrepit or not, has demonstrated he has put together a very capable administration full of intelligent public servants. His administration has already bolstered consumer protections, beefed up labor standards, improved the student loan system, strengthened our commitment to clean energy, and more.
The fact of the matter is, even conceding that Biden is too old and needs to need step down, doing so this late in the process would be incredibly messy. Who would replace him? Kamala Harris? There are some serious electability concerns there and if not Harris, there would be massive concerns from black voters of the optics of passing over a qualified black woman to hand the nomination to... who? Gavin Newsom? Gretchen Whitmer? That would lead to weeks more political infighting and more distractions from the news story that matters most: Trump is a deranged criminal hellbent on disolving our democratic institutions and he must be stopped.
No matter what happens regarding the Democratic nomination, I will be voting blue no matter who, but I cant help but fear this news story is a major distraction and takes attention away from the issues that matter most.
You're keeping it 💯 mate
Yes this. Also Biden has a heart. Trump doesn’t and he will just get worse if he has dementia. If Kamala has to step up, I think she’d do okay enough but I don’t think she’d win against trump.
And none of that matters unless it convinces more people to support him. CANDIDATE Biden is weak and his ego will cost Dems the election, just like Hilary.
Keep Cope Alive 😂
@@HarryF-tz5fo No, it's voting to stop Trump from destroying our democracy. I will vote for anyone who runs against Trump. That's the number one thing.
Gonna be super awkward for the media when Biden *doesn't* drop out - and just imagine if he actually wins...
THANK YOU Lovett! he did a terrible job. Enough with the sweet words and flowery language whispered to the 80-something politician who will be just fine if he steps down. All we ask is that he retire go off and spend more time with the grandkids and NOT burn the country down by handing us over to a vengeful Trump.
It’s not that he’s old. Anthony Fauci is 83, fit and sharp as a tack. Biden looks like he’s constantly lost and nearly about to drool. Don’t gas light us. We know what we saw. For the love of god stand down.
Has Fauci done for the country what Biden's done in 3 1/2 years?
. a big dose of reality....
. Vote 💙💙💙💙💙💙💙
President Biden needs to speak directly to the American people alone - looking straight at the camera. Whether setting out his achievements, responding with 'zingers', or refuting Trump lies, address us - not the malignant, pathological liar in the room.
Guys, guys please refrain from fostering further chaos.
Tellingly, for Democrats to lose the incumbency advantage with President Biden would be "catastrophe" for Democrats Nov 2024, according to eminent scholar & historian, Allan Lichtman.
President Biden's team needs to bring in Dr Ramani Durvasula to assist with preparation before the next debate. She's a recognized expert in strategies for dealing with pathological liars.
Changing the nominee???
Democrats tried this chaos inducing strategy before & they lost big time.
Everyone who loves America & truth has to double up & treble-up on the work needed between now and Labor Day to back Biden/Harris and to save democracy
Democrats should know their own history.
They tried this double-minded, change horses in the middle of the stream fantasy at the Democratic convention in the 1960s.
The result: - they lost the White House
This is only one debate.
Debates are not elections.
When your sports team underperforms, do you change teams???
Pull back on prioritizing RepublicanMAGA talking points & get it together 💙
So, I get it.
Y'all thought the next 130 days was going to be easier. You're disappointed.
Bottom line though, you sound like RepublicanMAGAs & their proven skewed pollsters and political strategists.
It's not 'unreality' to say: -
Stop panicking, start problem solving!
Which of the Presidential nominee debate "winners" over the last 60 years went on to win the Presidency??
The Democrats must blitz the American public with the best of Biden - concentrating on the swing States.
*But* *will* *they??????*
I have so much respect for y'all, however, by the time you wake up tomorrow morning, you need to be in problem solving mode.
*Not* canvassing a late Convention change in the Democratic nominee.
Such a good point! Fauci looked so great during his congressional testimony. If Biden presented like that there would be no problem at all.
If the former employers of the Pod Save America crew had stayed out of the 2020 race, we would be electing a young Bernard Sanders to his second term right now.
completely agree. they try to make this an AGE issue, but it is a cognitive issue.
get Kamala out there front and center
lol
She's all over. Those news stories don't get the same ratings, so we don't see them as often.
Biden had a chance to appear like Cincinnatus if he announced he was stepping back after one term. It has frustrated me for a year that his advisors aren't being truthful with him about the best course forward. They've been coddling him in hopes of getting him past the finish line. But the finish line isn't November 2024, it's January 2029 and undecided Americans want a president who can lead the country for all 4 years (it's a weakness for Trump too but Democrats can't take advantage with Biden as the candidate).
I cannot campaign for Biden.
I will vote for Biden if he's the nominee, but he's DOA if he's the nominee. If he cant do events after 8, or function effectively outside of 10-4, then that's all we need to know. What was the schedule of the major party nominees of the last 40 yrs? If Biden cant match that, he cant be the nominee
yeah my interest in donating or volunteering is dripping significantly if Biden wins- if he's got this and you don't want our help, that is fine
Trump slept in until 11 am, while in office.
Allan Lichtman says that either Biden must run again or resign the presidency to let Kamala Harris be president again in order to keep both the incumbency advantage and the advantage of keeping their party united for the presidential election. Plus, every time there's been an open seat for the presidency and the party in power does not have a clear consensus nominee or heir apparent, the party holding the White House has always lost.
Thank you, Lovett! Thank you for so accurately personifying my frustration, desperation and - increasingly so - my anger
Why do u think he’s staying in. Absolute hubris and ego 😡
I’m an independent voter who voted for Biden in 2020 because I wanted to keep Trump out of the Whitehouse. I voted for him again in the recent primary because I want another four years of Biden. I’ve seen what he has accomplished and I want to see him continue. I knew he was old. I could hear the decline in his speech, and I voted for him anyway. I don’t care how he looks or sounds. I care about what he’s done. I hope more people are able to see beyond the “optics” of this current story and vote based on his track record.
I hope you take your blinders off and use common sense. He’s clearly in decline. Him 4 years ago and him now are night and day and he’s asking for 4 more years…
😂😂
I am a Biden supporter. I donated to his campaign. I agree with you... However we are not the one's who will decide this election. The voter's concerned about his age/stamina will decide this election. Quite frankly as these guys discuss on the Pod Biden's age is a huge issue. I think Kamala Harris would be able to win this election. It would give the voter's polling unhappy about his age or choice between Trump & Biden what they claim they want. James Carville stated why not give the voter's what they claim they want? A younger candidate with the energy to finish this campaign strong. Harris is VP and she is part of the Administration and can run on Biden's record.
Such a nightmare
@@keithrowe1663 and who would you throw in there right before the election ?
Jon Stewart nailed it last night. He articulated my thoughts on this better than anyone else has.
I don't care if other democrat candidates are "untested" or "tested".
This argument assumes that debating trump will be like all other historical competitions. Its not!
He plays by his own rules and therefore "testing" a candidate isnt good prep. Get someone who can talk circles around trump and shame him with his own past quotes. Any energetic, intelligent, public speaker should be able to do that.
Any career politician democrat can do this.
And they can do it better than Biden... obviously... unfortunately....
If one can’t communicate a simple message effectively to every voter one should not campaign to be PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES. Full stop.
But but but the people chose him!
He's not just some democrat trying to sell their agenda. He's been a proven leader and our president for 4 years. You guys are so concerned about his speech and gaffs. When Trump is president and we are in a full on fascist country, you'll wish we had every word a gaff.
Same can be said about Trump.
@@MAC-op5fc Can it though? Not really. He has never won the popular vote; he just squeaked by in 2016 thanks to the ridiculous electoral college. That's not "the people" choosing him, that's a screwed up system letting him get lucky.
@@MaShcode Bidens debate was not a “simple message.” All the prep in the world couldn’t prepare for the savage and AR-15 style lying that trump dished out that night. To expect him to have a quick come back to his barrage in just 2 mins, AND have to answer a question in that time also… absolutely nothing is simple about that. Obviously, you’ve never had to make a presentation, teach a class, speak in public, or run the most powerful country in the world WHILE running a grueling campaign against the most undemocratic party to ever exist in this country.
There’s one conversation that one’s having.
There are so many people who were casual democrats in that they believed that the party had so much more integrity than the Republican.
Joes refusal to acknowledge the truth and the clear cover up of cognitive decline has done irreparable damage to the party. Him not stepping down will make it exponentially worse.
Actually, despite the concerns many pundits have about Biden's electability, if Biden stays in the race then he's very likely to win according to Allan Lichtman's 13 keys system which has had a 100% success rate with predicting every presidential election since 1984 (2000 was proven to be a stolen election according Lichtman's report on it and the election commission website site on it). Professor Lichtman says that either Biden must run again or resign the presidency to let Kamala Harris be president again in order to keep both the incumbency advantage and the advantage of keeping their party united for the presidential election. Plus, every time there's been an open seat for the presidency and the party in power does not have a clear consensus nominee or heir apparent, the party holding the White House has always lost. Look at what happened in 1952 when the Dems lost to GOP presidential nominee Eisenhower after Truman stepped aside. Look at what happened in 1968 when the Dems lost to Nixon after LBJ decide to not run for another term and the Democratic party had a bloody miserable divisive chaotic primary with a horrible racist Southern Democrat who further spoiled the election for the Democratic party by running as a major third party presidential candidate.
Furthermore, polls more than 2 months from a presidential election have no real predictive value. Dukakis was ahead of HW Bush in the 1988 presidential election by about 17 points on average until late August/early September when the polls shift dramatically in the favor of Bush followed by a 400+ electoral landslide victory for Bush.
Follow professor Lichtman on his TH-cam @Allan Lichtman and watch a bunch of interviews he has already given on many mainstream media news channels. Also, get his book, 13 keys to the White House. Moreover, he's been essentially a top campaign consultant for Clinton's advisers, Obama's advisers, and for Biden's advisers.
I think any kind of decline must have been recent. If this has been his normal for a while, I don’t think the campaign would have set up the debate.
@@eleanor8652I've wondered the same thing. It seems like his staff is afraid to confront him so maybe they just went along to keep their jobs.
With all seriousness when Clooney says Biden should drop out, it gives me a lot to consider. Not joking for one second.
A huge dose of reality:-
Vote 💙 💙💙💙💙 up and down ballot
President Biden needs to speak directly to the American people alone - looking straight at the camera. Whether setting out his achievements, responding with 'zingers', or refuting Trump lies, address us - not the malignant, pathological liar in the room.
Guys, guys please refrain from fostering further chaos.
Tellingly, for Democrats to lose the incumbency advantage with President Biden would be "catastrophe" for Democrats Nov 2024, according to eminent scholar & historian, Allan Lichtman.
President Biden's team needs to bring in Dr Ramani Durvasula to assist with preparation before the next debate. She's a recognized expert in strategies for dealing with pathological liars.
Changing the nominee???
Democrats tried this chaos inducing strategy before & they lost big time.
Everyone who loves America & truth has to double up & treble-up on the work needed between now and Labor Day to back Biden/Harris and to save democracy
Democrats should know their own history.
They tried this double-minded, change horses in the middle of the stream fantasy at the Democratic convention in the 1960s.
The result: - they lost the White House
This is only one debate.
Debates are not elections.
When your sports team underperforms, do you change teams???
Pull back on prioritizing RepublicanMAGA talking points & get it together 💙
So, I get it.
Y'all thought the next 130 days was going to be easier. You're disappointed.
Bottom line though, you sound like RepublicanMAGAs & their proven skewed pollsters and political strategists.
It's not 'unreality' to say: -
Stop panicking, start problem solving!
Which of the Presidential nominee debate "winners" over the last 60 years went on to win the Presidency??
The Democrats must blitz the American public with the best of Biden - concentrating on the swing States.
*But* *will* *they??????*
I have so much respect for y'all, however, by the time you wake up tomorrow morning, you need to be in problem solving mode.
*Not* canvassing a late Convention change in the Democratic nominee.
It seems pretty clear to me that there is a choice between a king and a president. Let’s not forget about the future of the Supreme Court as well. For me, it is an easy decision. Biden.
There has got to be a better way to elect a president.
Research Project 2025
That's what's really on the ballot. Do you want to live under a fascist theocratic dictatorship or not?
The level of denial is amazing, not as bad as MAGA, but it is heading that way. Biden really needs to step up and make more appearances. If he cant he must step aside. Im voting blue regardless but just being real, he won't win at this pace.
Thank you all for being real and not backing down due to bad faith attacks. We are all invested in this because it affects all of us (possibly for generations if you factor in the Supreme Court). It is absolutely legitimate to have a discussion about the best path to defeating Trump, particularly while we still have time (before the convention and official nominating process) to do something about it. Total respect for you guys 👍
I still prefer a diminished Joe Biden than a Trump who is up to the revolution.
Undecided voters do not. That is the problem.
@@humanbeing2420 they should be informed. That’s the problem.
I am voting for him too, but we are not the ones that need to be convinced and that is the problem.
@@kevindoukas8213 we know biden is better than trump. We know he's very likely going to lose and he's too narcissistic to know when to step down for the survival of the American experiment.
@@kevindoukas8213 Biden has had the chance to inform voters for months and he was never able to increase his poll numbers above Trump. Also, the choice is NOT Biden or Trump but Biden or Trump or staying at home. Biden is going to lose this election.
Biden had his campaign signal that he would run as a 1-term president in 2019. While this is not a comittment, it was a signal that he also thought he would be too old and used that argument to win votes in 2020. I think this needs to be brought up to him in an interview, also the question of "you say the debate was a blip, what would be a sure signal to you and your team that a candidate is too old to be an effective presidential candidate?"
Maybe move on from the past. This question accomplishes nothing
@franjkav i would argue this question can help establish guidelines from those who know best. Maybe all the commentators saying hes old are missing something. Have the job candidates define what makes them successful at their job and they can be held accountable. Let people argue in bad faith with ill-defined or even undefined qualifications and its just a whole lotta noise
Answer is SIMPLE, just like Republicans did with Reagan, Keep Biden on a teleprompter. NO EXTEMPORANEOUS SPEAKING.
You must have played the wrong clip!? He did not mention a cold at all!? It was all about his "overpreparation" and trying to debate a liar. One influencer said, "he was in shock with what to say to all the unhinged lies"!!??? Regular voters "get it" they are way more accepting and understanding than YOU. Stop trying to make him what he is not!? He should not be the ONLY CAMPAIGNER!?
As Biden so eloquently, and without cause for concern, put it in a recent speech, he's convinced he can beat Trump today.....in 2020.
I saw that 🙆♂️
Don't forget how later he helped us understand what the stakes of this race are. "I’ll feel as long as I gave it my all and I did the goodest job as I know I can do, that’s what this is about….
@@moe_bee Trump's selfishness seems to have rubbed off on Biden.
Sadly, that sounds like Trump who often is confused.
🤣
So Biden doesn't remember if he watches his own debate afterward? "I don't think I did."
He chose to do that debate and it's the most important one of his career and he can't remember if he rewatched it???
Horrifying.
This is the best reason to vote for Biden
Could be he’s now having short term memory loss and that, in and of itself given he’s the President, should not only be very worrying but also, I’m sorry to say, disqualifying.
Of course he remembers. He was being a standard politician and telling a small white lie in order to stop the interviewer from asking more extremely awkward and unanswerable questions.
I'm sad to say it, but Biden is reminding me of RBG and Feinstein and other senior leaders who couldn't see when it's time to rest on their (considerable) laurels. When you are a very accomplished, experienced, effective person in the public eye, it's hard to step down when you still feel like you have more to give. I'm 69 years old and very aware of the increasing limits to my stamina. I can't imagine trying to do the job I used to do even now, let alone in ten years. It's no wonder some younger people folx find it difficult to believe in democracy when the geriatrics just won't let go!!!
Winston Churchill
Roosevelt
Jack Kennedy
all had ailments.
A huge dose of reality:-
Vote 💙 💙💙💙💙 up and down ballot
President Biden needs to speak directly to the American people alone - looking straight at the camera. Whether setting out his achievements, responding with 'zingers', or refuting Trump lies, address us - not the malignant, pathological liar in the room.
Guys, guys please refrain from fostering further chaos.
Tellingly, for Democrats to lose the incumbency advantage with President Biden would be "catastrophe" for Democrats Nov 2024, according to eminent scholar & historian, Allan Lichtman.
President Biden's team needs to bring in Dr Ramani Durvasula to assist with preparation before the next debate. She's a recognized expert in strategies for dealing with pathological liars.
Changing the nominee???
Democrats tried this chaos inducing strategy before & they lost big time.
Everyone who loves America & truth has to double up & treble-up on the work needed between now and Labor Day to back Biden/Harris and to save democracy
Democrats should know their own history.
They tried this double-minded, change horses in the middle of the stream fantasy at the Democratic convention in the 1960s.
The result: - they lost the White House
This is only one debate.
Debates are not elections.
When your sports team underperforms, do you change teams???
Pull back on prioritizing RepublicanMAGA talking points & get it together 💙
So, I get it.
Y'all thought the next 130 days was going to be easier. You're disappointed.
Bottom line though, you sound like RepublicanMAGAs & their proven skewed pollsters and political strategists.
It's not 'unreality' to say: -
Stop panicking, start problem solving!
Which of the Presidential nominee debate "winners" over the last 60 years went on to win the Presidency??
The Democrats must blitz the American public with the best of Biden - concentrating on the swing States.
*But* *will* *they??????*
I have so much respect for y'all, however, by the time you wake up tomorrow morning, you need to be in problem solving mode.
*Not* canvassing a late Convention change in the Democratic nominee.
The age question or who is going to beat Trump, that conversation should have happened a year ago among democratics.
Jon's explanation of the polls was helpful. So, the majority of those polled feel that Joe Biden is too old to hold office. You can put me in that group. But if you were then going to ask me who I'm voting for - Biden or Trump - my answer would be Biden. I think we have to be careful how we interpret polls. And I have to add, I'm not very impressed with the media's coverage. They're piling on Joe Biden. I have yet to see headlines on Trump's unfitness for office. Why is that?
Yes. The piling on is gross. The media played a HUGE role in getting Trump elected the first time, and they’re repeating their mistakes by focusing constantly on Biden (who is doing the job right now) instead of talking incessantly about what a liar and authoritarian Trump is.
Money.
I laugh when dems say "But look at Trump, he's unfit." How do you know? The dementia in chief Biden has been showing major signs since 2019 but all of you buried your head in the sand and couldn't see it. GTFOH!! You have no clue what "unfit" looks like.
You've gotta be kidding me.... A Democrat gets so far a week of negative coverage and you're question is why not Trump? LMAO. Trump is easily the most negatively covered political candidate in history & easily over a dozen news agencies that try to come off as impartial unbiased news , but clearly work in tandem with the Democratic party run cover fire for any democratic candidate , they give glowing coverage with the vast majority of negative news coverage going to Republicans. This is the first time I can ever remember the main stream media ever give negative coverage to the Democratics in recent memory, especially to this scale. Bidens performance in the debate has just blown the credibility of the media propping up Democrats and blatantly lying.
Media will end up being complicit with a fascist takeover
That's right, Jon. It's about us, the American people , and it is sad that modern-day politicians forget this.
Before the debate, I would have voted for Biden 100% of the time, but now, after the debate and interview I just don't know if I can vote for someone that I don't think can do the job. I will never ever vote for Trump, but why do I feel like I am being forced to vote for Biden if I believe in the current type of government. I am a former republican now independent from North Carolina, and I don't know what to do. If they changed Biden, I would vote for any of the replacements because they are all so much better than Trump. One of the reasons I would never vote for Trump is because of his slowing down and not being able to keep a thought going, but now that Biden is doing the same thing (not as bad) it is hard for me to vote for someone on either side that is like that. Ugh, is there any way another third party could still get into the mix?
These polls that say Biden should step away don't show any agreement on who should replace him. So those of you who want Biden to step away are only fracturing the party further.
With the New York article..., if you're not going to put your name on it, shut the F up, and I think it's unprofessional for NY Times to publish it. I'm not blind to Biden's capabilities due to age. Just cover it as you all are doing - with your name on it!
As in 2016 the media is attacking the Democratic nominee but totally ignoring the fact that his opponent is a narcissistic wannabe dictator dangerous buffoon. Why aren't we hearing more project 2025? A 900 page screed that if implemented will destroy American democracy. And with a complicit extreme supreme court, there is nothing to stop them from doing whatever the hell they want. Yeah it might be nice to have a younger candidate but Biden is an honest man who cares about his country and its people.
Yeah, because anonymous sources aren't used a lot. 🙄
Agreed
I am canceling my subscription to NYT & boycotting CNN. VOTE BIDEN HARRIS
@@user-yt3so4pk7u i have been canceling subscriptions left and right. I am tired of purists tearing down our only chance to crush Trump and a US dictatorship.
Did we not learn anything by the right people not speaking up after Trump an his shenanigans. The reason we’re in this mess is dishonesty ,Joe this is the Lord Joe telling you to retire.
Joe, this is the Lord Allmighty, "Stop gaslighting the people. "