I think my doctor died by suicide because there was no cause in obituary just that it was sudden. She was only 45. (My own mother took an overdose of prescription antidepressants and died. That was forty years ago.) I cried and cried when I heard about my doctor. She was my favorite doctor and helped me so much. Doctors are people just like you and me. Don't ever give up hope. I get depressed sometimes but I have to tell myself, tomorrow is a new day
I did research on this for a master's thesis. There are thousands of patients like you who have lost a caring, effective doctor to suicide. But no one talks about it. It's also bad with dentists and veterinarians. I'm sorry you went through this with both your mother and your doctor. I hope you can find another good doctor, but regardless keep up that tomorrow is a new day outlook.
They said my doctor died from a seizure. He saved my life, 16 hours of surgery. Almost no pain 11 years later. I loved him and cried for days. I was even invited to his furunal. I never believed the seizure story. I think he killed himself. When i saw him from my 3rd year visit he was thin. Maybe it was a seizure. My DIL died suddenly from a seizure 11 months ago. I still think he killed himself. He was in the top 5 neurosurgeons. I'm still sad for patients that will never benefit from his skills
I've had a physician who committed suicide. I now see his son who went to medical school and is an excellent dr. Too bad his dad didn't get to see his son as the amazing dr he is.... in his father's footsteps.... and grand fathers footsteps....3 generations.
I'm going to acknowledge all the social good Doctors do but i hope this son actually enjoys the work as there is a small logical lapse here... personal autonomy not just social validation is also important. As long as he gets the support he needs awesome but the commitment is so great it could be very depressing to not match those family expectations. Feelings of being trapped are a paradoxical downside of being in a high achieving world. A lot of us owe Doctors a lot including the right to just go into something else
I was so heartbroken when I learned from another doctor my doctor committed suicide 💔 he went home and shot himself. He gave me 10 years of no back spine after surgery.
@BlanBonco that could be why the three dr I see now.... father committed suicide....I don't think he was happy and maybe he was just doing it to make his father happy who was and still is a dr as well
Pam here….I am a retired nurse….cared for a lot of ventilator dependent clients, there was one talented Pulmonologist…who saved or lengthened the lives of many seriously ill people….who took his life. Those of us in medicat profession…no matter how good we do our jobs….people continue to age, get sick, sicker, get frail and pass away. You feel like you have failed even though it is a natural progression of time. It is hard to accept that the best we can do is give them the best day for where time and age and their body’s capacity. When the best can’t stop the inevitable, you gracefully support the patient.
My father was a doctor, an orthopedic surgeon. I knew he was under a lot of stress during a certain period and I was very afraid that he was going to commit suicide, I intuitively sensed that about him. Thank God he didn’t.
So glad you sensed the situation. You most likely sent silent thoughts to him that you cared about what he was going through. Even unspoken caring for another person makes a difference.
@@carlettesouthern-robert2992the person above wrote this the way they see it and feel. You have no right to change their wording. How arrogant. God is real and you had better figure that out before taking your last breath
@@bernardofitzpatrick5403 what is a threat? You think it was ok for the person above to negate how the person feels and that they believe in God? Freedom of speech and religion
Thank you for bringing this to the public Dr. My cousin shut down his practice without warning one day during covid. He's been dealing with mental health arising from not being able to help every patient, and with his mother's passing. Thankfully he's befter and hopes to return part-time.
A tough but wise decision. I am willing to bet he was a great doctor and I'm glad he is still around to come back if he wants to. Modern life has a very high level of stress as a baseline. But people in the medical profession have may extra layers of stress and the if something else comes along like it did to your cousin with his mother's death, it can get to be too much. I'm so glad he's doing better, we need doctors who really care.
I lost my mother in 2021 and then three months later I became deathly ill with Covid. I was in Mayo clinics ICU for nine weeks. I have no idea how I pulled through except for the hand of God or the help of my mother who loved him so very much as I went into the hospital as an agnostic with absolutely no will to live. I can’t say that I have much of one still to this day. I have yet to get out of bed even three years later or do much of anything besides bathing once a week and walking to the bathroom and pain mgmt doctor appointments. I still have extreme shortness of breath, and I am very weak. My husband does everything for me. I feel as if my life ended when my mothers did. Enough about me. I am so very sorry to hear about your cousins struggles with losing his mama. The pain is unbearable. If not for my daughter, I would be gone. I feel like a child lost and alone in a huge superstore. I don’t think it matters how old you are when you lose your mother, you are still her child.. you still need her. I can’t see my life ever functioning normally again. I can’t even get up and brush my teeth. Just be gentle with your cousin and hold him closely tell him to write his feelings down in his phone or a journal. It will help a lot. I listen to my mama’s music from the 70s that I grew up on. That helps me immensely in getting through the days.. love to you and all your family
You sacrifice your life to save others. And sometimes you don't feel like your able to actually do your job. Kinda hard when your hands are tied in so many ways.
I am grateful for the time you have taken to educate people. I am a retired Registered Nurse . Worked many years with spinal cord injuries and head Injured Patients. Sometimes we have to remember that we are not God. And all we can do is to give an ear and hold a hand . Even when the patient is someone we love.
When I saw my primary several months ago, I told him thank you for referring me to the VERY BEST cardiologist in the world! My primary caught my heart murmur and said it was time to get an echo. I went from kindergarten to graduation day (in terms of cardiology)in less than 8 weeks! So much learning! So much to absorb! He told me thank you. When I turn saw my cardiologist I told him thank you. That I knew he’d saved my life. The nurse at cardiac rehab saw me thru a horrible diabetic episode. My blood sugar dropped to 43! I didn’t feel horrid. But I was terrified. I didn’t know how much lower it could go but damn it was scary. I’m better today. I told the RN thank you. He told me it was nice to help me cause basically I didn’t fight him while he kept handing me glucose tablets. And that I appreciated his efforts. I HATE DIABETES.
Getting sufficient ESSENTIAL HUMAN NUTRITION and some regular exercise with sunshine, good rest, fasting patterns, just might help ease your problems. Also, PRIMARILY people MUST BE RESPONSIBLE WITH their WORDS, DECLARATIONS, BELIEFS, THINKING,.... ALSO.... WHAT THEY ARE "OPEN" TO BECAUSE BEING HYPNOTIZED, BRAINWASHED, & ADDICTED (to whatever - (msg, cell phones, weaknesses)) IS EXTREMELY COMMON THESE DAYS.....the masses are in a hypnotic stupor much like sleep walking, (oftentimes by tela-lie's vision/tv's "predictive programming")....... and look how many toxins they're taking in, (from caffeine, alcohol, OTC meds, Rx's, topicals, environmental & agriculteral chemicals, radiations & toxic frequencies), and on and on .......
this is why I write thank you notes and always bring little art pieces that I've been working on for my doctor because he lights up when he sees them. ❤
This was a very powerful presentation Dr. Hope you present this at a conference. Maybe if they would be more attentive they would feel satisfied and not depressed. Happy patients can be a source of joy for a doctor. Again, very powerful doctor!
I have attempted suicide 12 times. Did it once and was revived. No I did not see a white light I was not warm or anything it was nothing. PTS sucks especially when it's from 4 different traumatic events. I hope that all you doctors out there get the mental health you need we the people who depend on you. I myself look up to you. Hell I am older than several of my doctors but in your own way your like a fireman running into an emergency. Your our hero's. Not sure if I am glad I was brought back but it is better than being dead. It's a premiant answer for a temporary problem.
This was really scary during the earlier months of the pandemic, oh man. It was heartbreaking knowing the immense stress and distress that doctors and nurses et al. were experiencing and I think combat-zone medicine was a fairly apt comparison.
@@FathomFrequency Dummies in my neighbourhood banged pots and pans at 7 pm every night for months in 2020, for the "courageous front line workers." One of my friends is a topnotch nurse. She was on maternity leave until June 2020. When she went back to work, she discovered that the hospital had only one covid patient in all that time, a little girl who was tested in June. Her family was tested at that time, and none of them had it. The nurses were wearing masks and she asked, "Why are you wearing these? They don't work; it even says so on the box." The nurses shrugged and said, "We were told to wear them." It was all theatre. News programs showed long lineups of people waiting outside hospitals, supposedly for tests or treatments. Some of the people were the hospitals' employees, told to line up, to give the impression there was a crisis. People checked out the hospitals the next day and found them absolutely deserted. Hardly no cars in the parking lots, hardly anyone in the hospital, except for a receptionist and a lot of security guards. There was a hospital in Brazil that reported hundreds of cases in 2020. The President urged the MPs to go to that hospital and check it out to verify the reports. They found that the hospital was still under construction and didn't have any patients. They posted their video of the empty hospital. The government was scammed so that the hospital administration could collect bonus money for reporting covid patients.
Interesting that you mentioned combat nurses. I watched video made by an army nurse who was sent to a hospital in New York in 2020. She was in despair because the patients were being murdered and there was nothing she could do about it. Nobody would listen to her when she tried to get them to take proper care of the patients. The hospital put an untrained nurse in charge of a dialysis machine, when they had a trained nurse they could have assigned to it. Patients died because of this. Student doctors were using patients as practice for treatments they did not need. One of the residents was going to do something to a patient that would kill him and he would not listen to the nurse when she tried to tell him. The Director of nurses was right outside the room, so she went to him and told him about this and he refused to stop the doctor. The doctor killed the patient, as she predicted. The other nurses commended her for caring about the patients and trying to do her best, but it was just words. She said, "I feel like I'm working among sociopaths." She quit that job because she was prevented from saving her patients. Another nurse had similar experiences. She said that the patients on vents were put into a coma to keep them from pulling the tube out of their throat. They were given way too many drugs and she reduced the drugs every time she was on shift, but the next shift would jack them up again. She said only one patient on a vent survived. He was a drug addict, so he had a high tolerance for narcotics. He became conscious, pulled the tube out, and went home. Leaving the hospital is why he survived. Nurses who really cared about the patients reported that many of them were neglected. They were just left alone in a room. Nobody was busting their butt to look after them. Patients that did not have covid were put into wards with patients who had it and they became infected. I think that the patients had much more stress than the medical staff. They were kept isolated, no family or friends allowed to visit and advocate for them. This is the real reason they were isolated. The hospitals did not want witnesses to the neglect and medical mismanagement. A man reported in a video that he was in a car accident. He did not have any serious injuries and told the ambulance crew that he was all right. They ignored him and injected him right away, against his will, with something that knocked him out. He woke up in a hospital 100 miles from his home, with no money and no clothes. He held up a sheet to his body and went out in the hall, and demanded that the nurses show him his chart, so he could see what they had given him. They were shocked and asked how it was possible that he was conscious. Eventually they surrendered the chart and he was outraged at the long list of drugs he was given. He was barely scratched in that accident and did not need any treatment at all, never mind drugs that he would never had consented to. He demanded some clothes and they eventually found some clothing that homeless people would wear, and had him leave the hospital by a side door. He had no way of getting home. I think that if someone investigated that ambulance service, they might find that it was getting paid to send people to that homicidal hospital.
Propaganda All ventilated patients are sedated in that state .. most ventilated early covid patients expired . Those are just the facts of the disease the virus causes. it's unfortunate you watched a documentary made by a group everyone is aware of.. where it's all been debunked for several years now and you're still spreading this disinformation. I know exactly who and what you're referring g to a d that nurse was outed for participating in this pure Propaganda Inundated hospitals did end up having g to fill positions and put people on duties where they had no prior training in a deadly pandemic where staff were dropping from the virus as well Nurses that went to NYC and other states had traumatic experiences. I saw alot too.. I lived in a hotel for 3 months working 7 day weeks. In ED radiology RNs were placed in ICUs with ICU supervision - no one was making sole care decisions without authority Lot that is unplanned did happen but no one was killing patients We watched as almost all ICU patients were passing, so it's TRUE only 1 may have survived and was taken off the vent. I worked 2 years in a hospital where all u it's but 2 were turned into covid ICU and onky witnessed 5 patients discharged after acute ARDS admission with covid pneumonia. They died of covid pneumonia and other multiorgan covid related acute failures An ounce of truth and a ton of lies is wgat you've made into your delusion Exactly as it was intended for you to believe.. it helps the people intended and hate the people intended for you to hate Woukd be cool if you woukd stop spreading Healthcare Propaganda You csnt even NAME the hospital you are accusing of mass murder Please take all the seats and go find the facts
I am not in the healthcare area, but I do know you are an exceptional human being, Dr. Kaveh. I am a subscriber and have watched you for months. I wish more doctors were like you; with the compassion and forward thinking you display. Thank you so very much.
I never thought you'd y'all about this. I never, in my 33 years of being treated for chronic pain after breaking my neck, was exposed to this until recently. I had finally found the sweetest , kindest, generous, caring, sympathetic D O that kept me moving for 10 years, until he took his life. His was because of the DEA crack down and his assistant embezzling 200k from him. This just happened 2.5 years ago and I'm still devastated. And I still don't have pain relief
My Mom told me years ago that some surgeons don't get close to their patients because of the emotional toll of deaths of patients. When I needed spine surgery my surgeon had a horrible bedside manner, abrupt and judgemental. But...I knew he was a great surgeon and my Mom's words came back to me immediately. Eventually I told my doctor how much he changed my life. His personality warmed right up. I saw him smile for the first time.
I suppose that surgeons often get little validation; the nature of their profession means that the majority of his/her working life is seeing ill/ in pain ppl, then operating on them & then, due to the post op procedure, only having very limited time to see them afterwards. I'm sure that it's not validation per-se that they're seeking, but to get hardly any must create a negative mindset-that's the case in the UK - where the NHS is a victim of its own success-creaking under the strain of our ever expanding population. Whatever the reason, it's dreadful for all concerned 💔
Baloney! They live luxurious lifestyles many of them. I know this for a fact. Also, the old saying goes: If you can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen.
Many doctors and nurses feel that their hands are completely tied and their ability to effectively treat patients has been removed by higher authorities. In fact did you know that even if you worked a 16 hr shift and there is a massive casualty report that if you don’t go the authorities drag you out of your bed? Yes the National Guard will do that. There is no such thing as even a full time doctor. They are on call and even family physicians pull minimally 12 hr shifts 5 days a week and are usually the least paid of physicians.
@@charlesbrightman4237not for most of them if you really knew them. Please read my comment below. They would love to be able to bring the days back when your primary doctor could trade or swap. They didn’t change how the system works. There has been a need for experts if you have ever needed lifesaving measures multiple times as I have and I worked as a trauma nurse specialist which means that my level was higher acuity patients I understood that and have been thankful for the ones that have been forthcoming and humble. We are all in a controlled situation that also frustrates doctors beyond what you could ever understand because one . mark can change every bit of a pts chart. They are sleep deprived and are expected to perform like they are part of a circus, on display at the cost of their own private time and that of their families. Their families, if they support them realize that and hope that they can have planned time with them too. I too have had terrible experiences but it is like racism to put them all in the same category.
Definitely! Nurses face so much more than overwhelming workloads. Abuse from patients and other colleagues add a considerable strain on our mental health!
Eve dentists and veterinarians have high suicide rates. You are right about nurses. I had a friend who was a radiological technician. Giving cancer treatments ad loosing so many patients got to her so badly she had to change professions
I have been searching for a facility for myself for 6 weeks. I finally found a place for non suicidal, non self harming, non violent people having a mental event. They are for police, 911, drs, firefighters, etc. These places exist, but they are very hidden too. Seek help if you need it. ❤
Like the old saying goes: the mind is willing but the body is weak. I've come across alot of docs that want to help, esp chronic pain. But they're stuck with bs from insurance companies more than anything. It's not so much the government but insurance. When you go to school forever to help and treat ppl and you spend your entire career doing paperwork. That's depressing. I heard an average ER admit is like 30pgs of paperwork just to admit. That's depressing.
It’s all computerized now and is very extensive, even for the nurses. Just think about it, you want to give one pill and must click click click thru pages to get go it and then it wants more info. I’ve overheard patients say I’m playing on the computer. They really have no idea, all the BS.
I trained as a therapist. My tutor told me vets had the highest suicide rates. She said it was because they have access to euthanizing drugs. I wondered if it was the same for doctors. We all have dark moments and I imagine more people would opt out during the incredibly painful times in their lives if they had access to drugs that could ensure a quick, painless exit. When you don't have access, you get time to think, eat, sleep, connect with love ones, to see things differently. To change your mind.
Doctors don't get enough thank yous from their patients for taking care of them..... I'd like to give a thank you to all physicians and a special thank you to you, Dr Kaveh for all you do to help educate the public
I used to give compliments through member services until member services turned out to be turning the compliments into complaints. One doctor dumped me because he didn't believe I had given him a compliment for catching a mistake that a doctor had done years ago, in preventing it from happening again not only to me but allowed me to help someone else. Member services turned it to a complaint. It's difficult enough when I try to make compliments and four of them have been turned to complaints. I made a point to call the head of my doctor's Department to make compliments or send them through email and request that the doctor printed out and add it to the doctor's portfolio. One doctor told me that the compliment I gave him reached him at a time when he was considering stopping being a doctor. But later all of the struggle he was going through made him delay getting me a test that I needed and gave me invalidation before he finally did look at my fingernails and correctly diagnose a nutritional deficiency, so he was still a better doctor then the others but needed someone to gripe at during my appointment - Thank you! I now realize he was using me for emotional support on my time, and if I'd thought of it then I would have begrudged it less. Thank you, I really did need to process that! If he is still working, he might have retired, I think I'm going to pass that along to him. Of course he leaned on me emotionally because I had been helpful previously. Maybe they should be encouraged to have a patient who they have found that they can trust and who has found that they can trust them to act as emotional support off hours. It wouldn't have bothered me at all, I only wish I had realized it sooner. At least he did catch a nutritional deficiency, instead of telling me that my fingernails weren't dangerous as I've Been Told previously. It isn't dangerous, fingernails are a thermometer of Health and merely show symptoms when there is a problem elsewhere.
Self care is paramount to being able to care for others! I wonder what public policy could be developed to reduce the stigma or peril for doctors and other medical to ask for and receive timely help? Much loving kindness to you and your peers kind Sir!
Requiring doctors to use a different Health Plan would make them more comfortable exposing their health conditions because their colleagues wouldn't be aware of it.
You know , I believe we should pray for and with our doctors as they treat us and just over all for them in every way . I’ll be praying for you as well doc that the Lord help , bless and keep you in every way and thank you for your time out that you take to to share and educate us all here 🤍
The worst mistake I made as an NP I ordered an epidural for a patient and pointed to the wrong room the anesthesia resident gave her the epidural. The patient was thrilled and successfully had pain relief. The attending was a bit pissed but accepted my error with Grace. I wrote myself up. I still shutter at the thought. It never happened again.
@@snowgurl21 Thank you for the kind words. My error didn’t hurt anyone but potentially could have. I’ve found that health care workers are very hard on themselves when they make an error. There are the few who get away with errors and finally make an egregious error costing lives. I’ve seen it. I ran into the anesthesiologist who did the epidural. Ironically he was doing my husband’s anesthesia for a hip replacement. We laughed about what happened 35 years ago but both of us still felt the sting and humiliation from that error.
@@maryjoroth5884 you are right. The day I made this error I was in charge of the unit that day We were short staffed and in the weeds within an hour. I remember that we had 3 ORs going with one very critical patient. Placenta increda in DIC. She received over 50 units of blood and blood components. I was calling trying to get nurses to come in There were patients laboring in front of the nurses station. It was the equivalent to a MASH unit. These are not excuses. There is no excuse. I screwed up.
I had a great doctor that I wanted to do my back surgery, but I heard from others and I experienced that his staff didn’t communicate. Things weren’t scheduled, calls not returned etc. i complained to him and mentioned that the person referring me to him was also frustrated. He suicided 1-2 years ago. I always hoped that wasn’t part of the frustration level. He was a young, brilliant dr and only 37 years old. Drs need to be great drs and everyone around them need to be a supporting staff. I passed his office today to get to my shoulder surgeon. Still gives me chills walking past his office.
My brother was a veterinarian and unalived himself at age 59 due to extreme depression, loneliness, isolation, and an unsuccessful mobile veterinary practice in a rural area. Many of his patients saw vet care only for rabies vaccinations or to be euthanized because the owners were in extreme poverty and couldn't afford even basic vet care. It wasn't enough income to sustain him, though he lived very sparsely, and he didn't want to euthanize dogs who could easily recover with treatment. So, he literally euthanized himself with veterinary drugs. I think MDs seeing poverty and inability to help their patients also leads to mental health issues if not addressed.
I would look at this through the lens of compassion fatigue, which is a form of post-traumatic stress. But the reporting requirement for mental health is going to hold back a lot of people because you are relinquishing control to another person and those people are so often just wrong. The diagnosis can be an epiphany but it can also become a label...
Hi. It’s JF NP. I have seen failed suicides. Most are grateful they failed however they have pain we don’t understand. More often than not they go on to end their lives. The majority hang themselves. I have a master’s degree in bioethics and a masters in maternal child health. I’ve tried to get them into therapy ASAP. Psychological pain is very real. Nurses have to let the nursing board answers the same questions. Doctors are locked into a lifestyle not just a job.
Various doctors I’ve seen over 10 years, who’ve diagnosed my muscle weakness, extreme light & sound sensitivity, memory loss and confusion as “Depression”, are obviously working in the interests of the hospital and not the helpless, suffering patient. I hope these “doctors” are consumed by the urge to “un-alive” all the days of their lives.
@@zoiefinnian3540 I’m not a doctor, but it sounds like you need to get your actual brain checked, and not for depression. People who’ve had strokes or other brain injuries can display these symptoms. But, again, not a doctor.
It’s not true that most attempts eventually go on to complete. It’s about 10%. My dearly departed hubby attempted 8 times by his count and ended up passing from cancer after taking himself to radiation and chemo for a month. ❤️🩹
@@misspat7555 I’m so sorry you experienced this. I did too in my personal life. A family member ended their life in a violent manner . In my 40+ years of experience I’ve seen many people who are in severe psychological pain go on to end their lives after failed attempt. I have spoken to them till I’m blue in the face and have felt convinced that they would seek treatment for their pain. This is my experience working in a major NYC hospital. My practice was maternal child health. I am a bioethics specialist and I made sure to give my best recommendations for patients in crisis.
Treating you to some ☕️ Dr. Kaveh. I really appreciate your videos on linking trauma and medical. Also trying to make it more comfortable to talk about uncomfortable topics. I’ve learned it’s okay to talk about my vulnerabilities after reading books by Brene Brown and still working on it. Thank you for making a difference in this world. I’m going for my surgery soon. Found your videos on calming my anxiety. You have a beautiful heart and soul.
Wow, so eye opening and informative. So many people look at doctors and police as if they are not human. Thank you so much for your transparency and honesty. I will say, you are so very appreciated, i hope you know that. I will be telling my doctor that as well.
maybe you meant "robot" or "resilient" instead of "not human." cuz most people look up to drs, not down. some, not me, would see janitors and fast food clerks as "not human".
What’s up, that was a great live stream a very important subject, one of my auntie committed suicide in 2007 so sad, she was not a doctor. It’s really sad that a lot of doctors commit suicide, I could handle the stress of being a anesthesiologist, it’s not stressful to me, I have always wanted to be a anesthesiologist ever since I was a kid, I’m 34, I really enjoy donating to the anesthesiologist Foundation, since it was hard for me to go to college because of my cerebral palsy! I would be a great anesthesiologist like you! I have a nurse practitioner for My primary care doctor, she’s awesome and nice! You rock man! I’m going to check out the BMW i7 on Saturday
So good you did this. My daughter was a bartender at the Jersey shore and thus anaesthesiologist used to come in alone and proceed to get hammered and intermitedly cry. (when the place was slow). One day he came in loaded, and he was on the clock and he was so upset saying he'll never be the man John Wayne was and crying ( he was obsessed with John Wayne) He would tell her "Do you know how many people I've seen die?" She never knew what to say to him except "you've had enough". One day he stopped coming in. One of the local cops later told her he offed himself. He was about your age. It's Doctors Without Borders that I'm concerned about. God bless these people. They work in chaos. Doctors need to get off their Olympic perch and admit they have problems, who could blame them after this pandemic and all of the devastation that did to our bodies, families, neighbors, and our psyches. Take care you doctors, we need you!! And appreciate you.
Thank you for sharing this from the Dr’s perspective! I never knew this, but it really makes sense to me. I appreciate the insight you are giving us. 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻😊
I am so thankful I found your channel! You have given out such valuable & trusted info on the medical world that not a lot of us would know if we hadn’t listened to your videos. Has made me realize Doctors are human beings that have struggles just like we do! Thanks for all you do!!❤❤
My doctor committed suicide just a year ago. It was and continues to be devastating to many of his patients and nurses because we just don’t know why. He was irreplaceable, a good doctor who took time to listen, really listen to his patients. I believe it may have been due to the way the practice of medicine was taken out of the hands of true doctors and turned them into mechanics during COVID. He was such a sensitive and truly caring, truth-seeking physician.
clues for suicide: he was Sensitive, Truly Caring, Truth Seeking. Those in health care who listen Alot, take in everyone's troubles often have no where to unload the heavy load may become unable to cope and see suicide as a way out. Very sad, one must compartmentalise oneself to protect oneself.
They did say my last hospitalization was due to a condition caused by abdominal surgery. But that surgery was really necessary. And if I had known that not passing gas for too long can mean you have a problem, I could have prevented it. I won't let it happen again.
I've been in ER cuz my doctor told me to take too high of a dose of antibiotics, I felt like I was dying. I'm very small & can't believe he did that. I think they are too stressed sometimes.
My biological sister who was a social worker, committed suicide. She had all the resources she could ever ask for at her fingertips, yet still committed suicide. I was so angry at her for a long time. Suicide is a horrible thing for all concerned. Those left behind struggle with not only the death of a loved one, but also struggle with guilt that you didn’t see the problem or couldn’t do anything to stop it, etc. So tragic!
I totally agree w/ you! grew up in an area of epidemic suicide. I really hated them for it! Also hated parents for shutting down thoughts, discussions.
That would be my surgeon that operated on my back. He was involved in a scheme where he was putting counterfeit screws in patients, and taking kickbacks from the company. He was featured on an episode of Crime Watch Daily With Chris Hanson.
@@user-fs1le2ds3r they were not medical grade steel. They’re supposed to be made out of medical grade titanium. He was using screws that were made in a machine shop, and they are rusting, and snapping in half in patients. I only found out by accident, when I googled him. I was never able to find out if I had the screws in me. It was too late by the time I found out. When I called the hospital where I had my surgery, they told me they didn’t have my records anymore.
Around where I live, the hospital rules are getting so bad for Doctors and patients that I can’t even get into see my PCP but every 6 to 8 months! They try to schedule you with a PA, or nurse practitioner, but I want to see the Dr.! I think there is such a shortage of Dr’s here that they must be under intense pressure from all sides. Thank goodness for them, but I wouldn’t want their job! It’s sad…
I WISH it was talked about! I have my theory, now that have on both sides of the bed rails. As an advocate, I am not shocked, but why isn't it taught and discussed. All you and others have mention is definitely a part, but as a London Doc and I have talked about this, and now - watching, I see many things that are possibly the foundation. Those I've mentioned have agreed. As a person who lived through 2 severe mistakes & still in treatment. My story is three - 3 ring binders long. It is pretty obvious. My "son", has been a dr for years. He texted me & said "I'm struggling". I thought & took a chance when answered him. I was on target. EGO- Why don't colleagues report these death or possible deaths & protect patients? I do not trust many doctors - and use Acupuncture medicine & Functional, and I'm alive - shockingly! Thanks for saying the words no one will! PS. There are great valid research explaining how to present your mistake and still have patient trust.
My son's psychiatrist died by suicide the week after my son's first appointment with him. I found out about it when I read about it in the news. He was an alcoholic who was trying to stop drinking and had isolated at a family property away from everything. Not only was he struggling with his addiction, he was also working with children with sometimes severe mental illnesses at the regional children's hospital.
You are so perceptive and articulate to delve into this phenomenon. I have to wonder how much poor health habits like using sugar or wheat to elevate mood could affect them, and then there is alcohol. Even the general population is affected by anxiety, but they are not tasked with saving lives. So, loneliness and aloneness is certainly a factor when there are insufficient listening ears and compassion. Knowing God's love and giving Him the weight of my distress is paramount. This will cause me to be cognizant when trying to advocate for myself to avoid meds. However, that's astonishing that a quarter of them don't have a PCP.
I had a doctor that committed suicide, Fran Rose MD. She was a really great doc. I had a client that was the daughter of a doc, her Mom committed suicide. So much fear of getting help and pride.
Dear Dr. Kaveh, you and all doctors have my respect. People think of the 'glamour' of the profession and the high salary but you deserve every penny. Many are not aware of all the pressure you go through, the long shifts, the responsibility, not to mention the unbelievable amount of studying. My nephew has been studying really hard to match into orthopaedic surgery and it's insane. The same thing with his fiancée and honestly I am worried about them. The stuff they told me made my jaw drop and made my respect for health care professionals increase ten fold. To have med students (during rotations), residents, doctors and specially surgeons work 24 hours shifts with no sleep is inhumane and criminal, this should be against the law. Nurses are often overworked. Of course it does take a toll on your mental health so no wonder so much medical malpractice. Hospitals are all about money, to h*ell with the patients and the health care workers 😢 I had no idea how gruelling it can be until my nephew started his rotations. I will never forget the nightmare health care workers went through during the pandemic. God bless you all 🙏
My two areas of where life is and where I wanted to be are sooooo opposite, because of health complications mostly. Still, I have managed to slowly get to where I have new priorities and new ways of finding happiness and a sense of purpose. We all so appreciate your own vulnerability in sharing these videos @Dr. Kaveh. You have taught us so much, and I hope that helps you know how much it helps us, and you find some peace and even joy with that knowledge.
All healthcare workers really don't take care of themselves and we advocate for our patients to make better choices to improve their health but we ignore our own needs. I remember a doc that became addicted to pain meds and she sought out help. The medical board made life hell for her, that was in the early 2000's. Then two other docs didn't seek help, was writing scripts, got caught lost their licences to practice. It's a shame. Now there are safety nets in place but many people are reluctant to seek help bc of the possibility of losing their license to practice.
In our small town, we had a beloved doctor that committed suicide . It was a shock to our community , he cared for his patients. One thing that’s so sad ,it’s the way it happened . He realizes he needed help, his family got in the car with him , then he told his family ,he had forgotten something, he went back in his home , took his gun and ended his life. 😞
My doctor reduced her hours. It means it can be harder to get a timely appointment but I respect her decision to cut back. I'd rather have a part-time doctor than no doctor.
How tragic. Cvd was a huge burden for physicians of all tiers-on the coalface, probably more at risk of infection than any other professionals-schools closed, shops closed/ allowed very limited "safe" spaces, hospitals were wide open to any & every sickness plus THE sickness. I was worried about my own GPs mental health-he hated not being able to see his patients face to fqce, & was so worried bcs he knew that some of them had died solely bcs of ambulance waiting times. I spoke to him on a phone consultation & admitted I was worried for HIM-not the sort of thing I'd normally say, I said that I was concerned for his mental health, he said that he'd take measures to protect himself mentally if he felt things were going that way. I'm in the UK & I guess it's the same everywhere 💔
We need to show love to our doctors, we are all human. We look up to doctor's as strong genius and forget their needs. Show compassion to doctor's and nurses, ems, etc..we need you all...
I’m a mental health clinician and I’m still expected to report any mental health diagnoses to my licensing board. Mental health stigma coming straight from a mental health board…🙄🤷
I have several Doctor clients, but the surgeons are the ones that are very depressed. Feel worthless, don't feel like they're good enough. And want to take their life so sad.
a famous orthopedic surgeon operated on me, people come from all over to have him. He came to see me afterwards in my room, "Hey you're a famous guy," I said and gave a quick rundown of the people I knew he'd repaired. A sweet smile came over his face.
I was a psychiatric social worker for 40 years and also involved with the medical system frequently because of health problems my children and I had. Work ing in psychiatric inpatient programs there would be leisure equipment available for patients to use. However, occasionally psychiatrists and medical doctors, when on the ward would pause to play the piano or challenge someone to a game of pool. A Chinese doctor would come to our ward just to play ping pong. She was amazing and drew a big crowd. The patients loved it. We had a psychiatrist who would seek out the daily newspaper and sit in the circle of comfortable chairs to read it every day. I also knew 2 doctors in different settings who would swim in the patient pool when it was closed at the end of the day, before they went home. I also knew a couple of doctors who had interesting hobbies and would share them at work in the staff room where comradery became high. I realize that regular medical settings don't have these opportunities available, but maybe they should. Have a place where medical staff can just be a person and have an outlet to relieve stress and just be who they are, a few minutes of no demands or expectations.
This is rather timely for me. For many years I saw a particular GP (general practitioner, Australian for PCP or personal care physician). The physiotherapist I was seeing wanted to write a referral letter to my GP and he googled my GP before writing the letter (because it had been a while since I'd last seen him and it was possible he'd retired). The physiotherapist called me over to the screen and there was my GP's obituary. No cause of death was given, just the date of his death. I can't be absolutely sure that he killed himself or whether he had a sudden physical health issue. Either way, I think his death (he wasn't that old) was a reminder that we all need a work-life balance and we all need to remember and look after our own needs.
They should have recreation rooms, (table tennis, shuffle board, darts, etc., saunas, massage areas in the hospital specifically for Dr's to meet up with colleagues, shoot the breeze, rest and relax, exercise. Additionally, sometimes long hours really mess with a person and knock them off balance. Having a legitimate support system is crucial for anyone. 😊
Here 8n Germany veterinarians have the highest suicide rate, even the students. Me, I am a graduated phytopathologist = a doctor for plants (background in biology /agriculture). Working in my own plant production.
Lovely job! I enjoyed growing my own legal plants and using them holistically and there is so much to learn about them and from them. I really had to strain my brain during the pandemic and try to recall and work nonstop even though disabled from what I used to do. It does make a difference. Plants and painting were my therapy. I had many many gardens and grow edible plants, those labeled as weeds but known to help and it was amazing to see all the wild life and rare insects that knew there jobs. I used to accumulate yearly just from my wildflowers alone 25 large metal coffee cans of seeds to give to others. I almost went into that area of study. I can no longer tend to 5 acres of gorgeous plants, fungi and food and beauty but I paint them. 😊
@@ninner196 Thank you for sharing your great experience. It sounds so good but why can't you continue and where are you located? Am already 65 years old, want to get a bigger gardening space and might move from Germany to warmer Portugal. It would be better to have warmer climate in winter.
@@katipohl2431 I am disabled, I had to move and I have to have physical care myself now. My joints are severely affected as well as my heart. I have had to relearn to walk twice and my gait isn’t steady. It’s a far cry from what I was with many years of gymnastics and ballet but they were also the techniques that I had to use to be able to stand and walk because I had absolutely no assistance at the time. I read, teach but can’t do the physical work that I used to. Where my tendons attach to my bones in my joints inflames severely despite medications and it affects the vessels and cartilage causing severe inflammation, severe nerve pain on top on a spinal injury and fibromyalgia/ CF. I have found certain benefits that I thought helped in the past and recently were officially confirmed by studies but it just takes the edge off. Having a positive outlook helps but nobody feels that way all the time of course with this. That is one thing that I found helpful being a nurse for years is that I saw others that had terrible situations so many suffer and I am not alone.
I loved your expression “doctors in diapers” it is real and nasty. I had the director of anesthesia in diapers who entered the OR when I was there because I had 2- 22 gauge IVs for a short procedure and he came in unmasked so I said to get his mask on or get out and he tried ramming and 18g inside my wrist when it already blew. I marked with a pen where I had another vein and explained that as soon as the sevoflorine is on it will pop up. He screamed at me and I was the one having the surgery and my doctor was just using the clinic. So I told him to leave and if I get an infection that I will be on his back. The other nurses were absolutely angry with him and said that they always wished that they could tell him what I did. I just said the truth. It is stressful but no one else steps toe to toe and it didn’t help my anesthesia. That man was a tyrant besides coming in the OR spewing spit and screaming. Both 22 g were running fast, insane.
Right. Patients are supposed to advocate for themselves. When they are sick, possibly disoriented by drugs, feeling vulnerable, and might be abused by nurses if they express criticism about anything. When I was pregnant, I read about the best way to deliver my baby. I went to Lamaze classes, refused anesthetic (though I'm a wimp about pain), and nursed my baby after he was born. I wanted to give him the best possible start in life of which I was capable. I told a nurse that I did not want my baby to be given sugar water. She challenged me about it, so I explained my reasons, and none of it mattered to her until I said that my doctor agreed with me. She could not argue about that, but revenge was taken. When my excitement about the baby finally calmed down enough for me to get some sleep, which I hadn't had for 30+ hours, the staff let me sleep for only FIFTEEN MINUTES before they woke me up, saying that my baby needed feeding. I had fed him right before I turned in for the night. The nurses certainly were not supportive of me advocating for my child. I took him home the next day because I figured I would get sick if stayed in the hospital any longer.
Thank you for making us all aware of this need. We did have a doctor take his life. He was very personable, and caring, so it was a shock. Especially to his staff, although I think they knew ‘something’ was going on with him. This was probably 30 yrs ago. I had severe postpartum and my ob/gyn doctor suggested counseling. I did and have had counseling on and off for many years as life changes presented themselves with ill parents, teen children angst and then my husband being diagnosed with Lewy Body Dementia. I’m not afraid to admit I needed help and still do at times. So thankful for my doctors recognizing the need for me and hopefully for themselves. Thank your doctors for their care.
I was a educator in a Residency Program and I saw new residence from their 1st year to their 3rd and graduating year. Wow! What an eye opener. Their lives were not their own. All sleep deprived and on the time clock 1st year 45 min. With patients, 2nd year, 30 min, 3rd year 15 min. I saw many just emotionally be burnt out. Physically burnt out. Frightening to see. But many managed, seemingly well.But who really knows. Not one reached put for help. 😢
After several months on the wrong oral antibiotic for a recurrent UTI with labs that were misread by a junior resident in my urogynecologist's office, it was suggested to me that perhaps I needed mental health assistance. No, I needed to get off strong antibiotics that turned a relatively simple UTI into a superbug infection. Those antibiotics ruined my entire gut microbiome, gave me diarrhea, headaches and insomnia, and made me constantly hungry, hostile and forgetful. And, if that particular pathogen ever again grows to infection level, I have to submit to catherization for "the purest" urine sample and treatment will be effective only if given via IV, which requires medical observation during infusion. Am I pissed? Literally and figuratively - you bet! It's been a few months since they discovered their mistake, and I got to hear about it via a phone call from someone I'd never even met. Now I insist on seeing only the top doc whose name is on the door. And he knows I still haven't decided whether I will sue. Malpractice exists at every level, and all you can do is hope the top doc in charge has strong enough ethics and an ego that makes them want to try harder.
Dr. Kaveh, I hope you yourself are keeping well! Talking about suicide can be a very emotional subject for some regular folks, so that on-line there always seem to be “trigger warnings” before a discussion. Fortunately, I do not personally have a doctor who killed himself. But I’m aware of a neurosurgeon who died suddenly at an early age, a few months into the pandemic of 2020. Much speculation as to the cause of his death as the reason was never published. Sad as it seems he was both brilliant and compassionate.
Thank you for addressing this - it's important that voices are heard from INSIDE the profession shouting out about it. People always think that medics, vets, farmers have such easy lives and get shocked when they hear the suicide rates - so people don't even think of keeping an eye out for them - let alone when things are seriously hard for them and that's not recognised too. Love your two arrows - lol they'll probably make an appearance in my work one day - but I'll shout out to you for them x
My doc spilled his guts about this,, long story short his wife ghosted him and took the kids and served him the papers at work, the day of my appointment. This was on top of lots of other things that went wrong. He was thinking about it.😕
do ' inner child work' to love your inner child, and really listen to and talk to her/him with love and kindness , God bless you. Dont listen to your inner critical voice, only listen to your higher self and God's loving voice. Find someone to listen to you, it can be due to feeling like you dont belong. Look up your meyers briggs personality type. You are valued, needed, wanted, and appreciated and loved by many in this world even though you might not know them. Dont listen to people that have shamed you or made you feel bad about yourself, its not true.. You can read 'perfecting the soul' book. David Hawkins books too. God bless you
Please go for the help because you can be such an asset to those you help. As someone who watched 2 of my paramedics go down and take their lives and carrying that with me, I never viewed them as less important, we were a team. I was their friend, supervisor sure but the hole it leaves in others is terrible. Take the time you need to heal. It is not at all a failure to change jobs. I am disabled but I am an artist and I teach. I firmly believe that the whole world is suffering with PTSD. I have learned with whom to talk with and most might scoff at me but I could care less. You will learn more from them and their words of comfort are not empty promises. They are known worldwide for seeking to console everyone on the planet and have the largest website of logical verifiable information for people of all backgrounds and are usually made fun of because of their love to do this work. Nonetheless they would also say that it is vital to invest in yourself and seek professional help. We really do have an amazing future awaiting us. Yes they endeavor to converse not convert with everyone. 😊
Nurses nearly killed my daughter when she was 14 and had her appendix out. They were very nice while I was there, but after three days of staying close to her side, I had to get back to work to earn some money to pay the bills and she was going to be there for only one more day. Heather said she was given morphine after only two hours since her last dose. She told the nurse she did not need it, but the nurse ignored her and gave it to her anyway. When she actually needed help, she buzzed for assistance. Her room was directly across from the nurses' station. There was a group of them sitting there, chatting with each other. They looked at her when she buzzed, then turned away and ignored her. They also let her IV bag run dry. She learned a few years later that this could have killed her by sending an air bubble into her vein. She did not tell me any of this until she was in her forties and I was shocked.
IVs cannot totally empty and let a patient get an air bubble by design. The fluid stops moving halfway down the tubing when the pressure of the fluid equalizes with the pressure of the blood in the vein and cannot move any further due to the design of the IV and tubing. And it is impossible to kill someone with an air "bubble". One would have to force at least 20ml of air directly into someone's vein at a high speed to cause an air embolism and kill someone, that has been told to me by a few anesthesiologists. The IV info I know from being an RN of nearly 40 years.
@@MegaSnakegirl Well, that is what a nurse told her when she saw her IV running dry a few years later when she was in the hospital again. And what was with the double dose of morphine that she did not need, and the nurses ignoring her the only time she requested help?
@@faithworks217 Well, the nurse was wrong on the IV for sure. As for the timing of the morphine, I'm firstly surprised that they would give something that strong for an appy, but you would have to have followed up with your physician on the timing of the doses and reported the nurse ASAP after the event happened. But the IV thing is a common urban myth perpetuated by TV medical show writers over the last 50 or so years, it just cannot happen. So her nurse friend was in error.
Sad. My father had a tree farm where he and our family enjoyed life. I wouldn’t wish this on anyone and a medical error can be overcomed. Most In such occupations and others should know that mistakes happen.
Medical errors are NEVER a casual fix. A dr's incompetence can leave you disabled for life if not dead. Just because a Dr "should" know what they're doing doesn't guarantee a knowledgeable and competent physician. Arrogance and hubris are common to the vast majority of physicians. Mistakes in medicine are unacceptable. Our social contract with Drs is ridiculous. In Ontario, malpractice insurance is paid with tax money. That's right, the patient (through tax credits) pays for the Dr's legal defence. Smh
The Best Doctor . PG. had to go to closer to Home , I don’t blame Him for that , Sitting in the waiting area many really like Him . I wish VA could Help their Doctor & Medical workers better . Please. I think work is too much. Doc I would think it would be awesome to have a friend like you . Doctors help each other take more notice . Ask questions like what are your hobbies? I had fun talking to my DR. About America History. Even just for 5 minutes. He gave me medical homework that also was cool.
Well I had planned on being more adamant about advocating for myself in the doctors office . But I would rather stay in pain and suffer in my misery that my doctors choose not to help more with then to be a reason why a doctor might commit suicide . I have lots of problems medically and my doctors haven't been able to find the answers for some of it and I guess I probably seem like the difficult and trying patient to them . I wouldnt want to be the person who pushes them over that edge . I am never rude or mean and always act in kindness and patience in their offices but they are probably very sick of seeing me at visits as much as I am sick of having to go see them and always leaving in tears with no answers . This whole situation just really sucks and I have no way to change it . And they can't seem to help me to find answers . It's highly as likely it seems to me that the patients are just as if not more so likely to commit suicide. 😭😭😭
I worked with a great anesthesiologist! He was kind, he was a great listener, he took time with our patients, and made them feel heard. One day we came into work in the morning, and found him gone in the OR…. He had injected himself with Propofol. It was the absolute saddest thing I’d ever seen. It broke my heart to know that he was suffering like that, and none of us knew. He is terribly missed ♥️
Some people (including some doctors) eventually come to terms with the fact that one cannot “save a life”, but can only extend it, and only up to a point. Therefore, it’s NOT healthy if people out there are holding onto any notions of being “saviors” or of “living forever”. Those are mindsets that don’t help anyone. Not the patients, nor the doctors. It’s an unrealistic framing of the role of the doctor, which probably puts unnecessary pressure on doctors and sets unrealistic expectations for patients. Hope is good, but false hope is not. Again, one cannot “save lives”, but can only extend them, and only up to a point. Going into medicine thinking you’re “saving lives” is the wrong framing, but that’s what we typically do. The main role of a doctor is to attempt and improve quality of life in all cases, but not the length of life, in each and every case. The effort of doctors around the world is greatly appreciated. Thank you, for what you do. Also might be worth mentioning that not everyone will share the same views on a voluntary self-exit and that it might not always be tied to anxiety or depression. Some cases may simply be a well-considered decision to exit existence. That being said, when it’s done irrationally, or under pressure and in desperation, then it’s likely not rational and there ought to be support for people in those situations. The stigma needs to be lifted so we can actually openly talk about it. We need to be clear about what we are saying when we say that it was due to “mental illness” especially when one’s health is a bio-psycho-socio-political phenomenon. Positive community is helpful. Hoping everyone has that or is able to find it.
I have a Dr who is a brain surgeon. He's done hundreds of thousands of brain surgeries he told me. When I met him he told us what he does with his neighbor guy friends, what hobbies he has, he was a chatterbox of the cool things he does on time off. He said don't worry, if anything ever goes wrong, I've dealt with it many times before and I know what to do. I bet his great outlook was because he did other things and had friends. He came across like he was very confidant. He laughed a lot and was very friendly and personable.
my dad worked as a psychiatrist, driving his patients to suicide intentionally. he tried to have me killed many times. the entire profession is a cut-out for oligarchical Satanism originating in the Knights Templar. Nobody wants to know the truth as humanity is basically a delusional creature.
That's alarming! How many have you personally known of? I can imagine they would be emotionally starting to check out and not fully present for their patients. A surgeon or anesthesiologist would be my worst fear. I have surgery on Monday btw 😭🙏🏼
As a Caregiver,Nurse 30 + Years..We Doctors & Nurses. We have some Rules & Controls .over us..That Directly interfears with things we can do with/ For our Cleints & Patients. So, I do so much UNDERSTAND..we do have peoples lives Directly in our Hands..Get help Docs/ Nurses / Caregivers.Many jobs are Difficult..Health Care among them! Thank you ,Doctor❤😊
A elderly lady where I live said she considered becoming a nurse when she was young. She volunteered at a hospital and closely watched all that was going on. That is why she noticed the head doctor go into the room where the drugs were kept and come out with a needle in his hand. She watched him go into the room of a young man who was only 24 year old, and through the crack in the door, she watched him give the young man that needle, and the young man died. That doctor deliberately killed him. She tried to tell the head nurse, but the nurse smiled and put her finger to her lips. This lady decided to not become a nurse because doctors and nurses were so cold-blooded. She also spoke of her beloved husband, a policeman who loved to play music, and they were happy for many years. When he was 81, he got sick for the first time and went into the hospital. He was put onto a machine that did not work properly and caused him to frequently vomit. Their son stayed with his father and cleaned up the vomit. He overheard the doctor and head nurse talking about his Dad. The doctor was furious about what the machine was doing to him and asked the head nurse why it was being used. She snapped, "Because it's the only one we've got, and what does it matter anyway? He's OLD!"
Doctors and nurses are human. And there are great doctors who will do their best. But there are bad ones and some that are mentally unstable. Just like every where humans live and work. I have had Both kinds. Most of us are doing our best.
It’s not just because doctors work is so stressful. It’s because most become doctors in order to BE ENOUGH. Admit it. Many choose this field for the status and financial clout. But it doesn’t work to fill their empty cups of angst. In other words, they have sought their identity and value through what used to be the highest status and biggest $ of any other careers. But the empty cup of ‘not being enough’ can’t be filled with identity and outside value. I can’t tell you how many times I was called to the hospital (when I was on call psychological help) to deal with nurses and doctors suicidality/overdoses. I love working with these folks because my method of helping them out of suicidality into calm/peace in just minutes. Them the real wound healing can start. (My method is in 5 free videos here on TH-cam)
Gosh, all I can say is the system is often so difficult for both doctors and patients. I haven't known any doctors who have died at their own hand, but yes, many others and it is so, so sad. The two arrows example is great. I hope you take care and if you see another doctor who doesn't seem right, ask how they are doing. ❤
Such an important message. I think the entire medical profession is afflicted by these immense pressures, with the most intensity for those with the most responsibility and student debt. Also, a lot of nurses are in burnout since the pandemic.
There seems to be so many chronic illnesses that can't be cured, well treated or in some cases even diagnosed.( Things related to IBS, arthritis, tendonitis, nerve pain, gut issues.) I've pretty much given up seeing doctors for my own conditions since it's a waste of time and can be depressing both from the patient and physician side.( I've probably seen 30 different doctors in my life and half of them specialists.) Add to that insurance and pharmaceutical companies running healthcare.
About 20 yrs. ago Dentists had the highest suicide rate... where do they stand now? And Pilots have the same fear: they're afraid to seek help for even a small mental problem bc the FAA may take away their flying license. Maybe MDs need a Union??
I think my doctor died by suicide because there was no cause in obituary just that it was sudden. She was only 45. (My own mother took an overdose of prescription antidepressants and died. That was forty years ago.) I cried and cried when I heard about my doctor. She was my favorite doctor and helped me so much. Doctors are people just like you and me. Don't ever give up hope. I get depressed sometimes but I have to tell myself, tomorrow is a new day
@itr1794 Yes, I pray they'll be ok
@LivingWithChronicPain2 ThankYou for sharing this✨️💖✨️
@itr1794praying now
I did research on this for a master's thesis. There are thousands of patients like you who have lost a caring, effective doctor to suicide. But no one talks about it. It's also bad with dentists and veterinarians. I'm sorry you went through this with both your mother and your doctor. I hope you can find another good doctor, but regardless keep up that tomorrow is a new day outlook.
They said my doctor died from a seizure. He saved my life, 16 hours of surgery. Almost no pain 11 years later. I loved him and cried for days. I was even invited to his furunal. I never believed the seizure story. I think he killed himself. When i saw him from my 3rd year visit he was thin. Maybe it was a seizure. My DIL died suddenly from a seizure 11 months ago. I still think he killed himself. He was in the top 5 neurosurgeons. I'm still sad for patients that will never benefit from his skills
I've had a physician who committed suicide. I now see his son who went to medical school and is an excellent dr. Too bad his dad didn't get to see his son as the amazing dr he is.... in his father's footsteps.... and grand fathers footsteps....3 generations.
he knows
I'm going to acknowledge all the social good Doctors do but i hope this son actually enjoys the work as there is a small logical lapse here... personal autonomy not just social validation is also important. As long as he gets the support he needs awesome but the commitment is so great it could be very depressing to not match those family expectations. Feelings of being trapped are a paradoxical downside of being in a high achieving world. A lot of us owe Doctors a lot including the right to just go into something else
I was so heartbroken when I learned from another doctor my doctor committed suicide 💔 he went home and shot himself. He gave me 10 years of no back spine after surgery.
@BlanBonco that could be why the three dr I see now.... father committed suicide....I don't think he was happy and maybe he was just doing it to make his father happy who was and still is a dr as well
@@rke0502 Oh no, how tragic for him & his family 💔
Pam here….I am a retired nurse….cared for a lot of ventilator dependent clients, there was one talented Pulmonologist…who saved or lengthened the lives of many seriously ill people….who took his life. Those of us in medicat profession…no matter how good we do our jobs….people continue to age, get sick, sicker, get frail and pass away. You feel like you have failed even though it is a natural progression of time. It is hard to accept that the best we can do is give them the best day for where time and age and their body’s capacity. When the best can’t stop the inevitable, you gracefully support the patient.
We forget your just a practicing physicians❤
My father was a doctor, an orthopedic surgeon. I knew he was under a lot of stress during a certain period and I was very afraid that he was going to commit suicide, I intuitively sensed that about him. Thank God he didn’t.
God does not actually exist except for as a concept alone. So, whom and/or what exactly are you thanking?
So glad you sensed the situation. You most likely sent silent thoughts to him that you cared about what he was going through. Even unspoken caring for another person makes a difference.
@@carlettesouthern-robert2992the person above wrote this the way they see it and feel. You have no right to change their wording. How arrogant. God is real and you had better figure that out before taking your last breath
@@user-fs1le2ds3r wow threats and bullying! 😂. Ah death … the boogeyman and the reason to “tow the line”, so to speak. 🎉
@@bernardofitzpatrick5403 what is a threat? You think it was ok for the person above to negate how the person feels and that they believe in God? Freedom of speech and religion
Thank you for bringing this to the public Dr. My cousin shut down his practice without warning one day during covid. He's been dealing with mental health arising from not being able to help every patient, and with his mother's passing. Thankfully he's befter and hopes to return part-time.
A tough but wise decision. I am willing to bet he was a great doctor and I'm glad he is still around to come back if he wants to. Modern life has a very high level of stress as a baseline. But people in the medical profession have may extra layers of stress and the if something else comes along like it did to your cousin with his mother's death, it can get to be too much. I'm so glad he's doing better, we need doctors who really care.
I lost my mother in 2021 and then three months later I became deathly ill with Covid. I was in Mayo clinics ICU for nine weeks. I have no idea how I pulled through except for the hand of God or the help of my mother who loved him so very much as I went into the hospital as an agnostic with absolutely no will to live. I can’t say that I have much of one still to this day. I have yet to get out of bed even three years later or do much of anything besides bathing once a week and walking to the bathroom and pain mgmt doctor appointments. I still have extreme shortness of breath, and I am very weak. My husband does everything for me. I feel as if my life ended when my mothers did. Enough about me. I am so very sorry to hear about your cousins struggles with losing his mama. The pain is unbearable. If not for my daughter, I would be gone. I feel like a child lost and alone in a huge superstore. I don’t think it matters how old you are when you lose your mother, you are still her child.. you still need her. I can’t see my life ever functioning normally again. I can’t even get up and brush my teeth. Just be gentle with your cousin and hold him closely tell him to write his feelings down in his phone or a journal. It will help a lot. I listen to my mama’s music from the 70s that I grew up on. That helps me immensely in getting through the days.. love to you and all your family
You sacrifice your life to save others. And sometimes you don't feel like your able to actually do your job. Kinda hard when your hands are tied in so many ways.
I'm so glad you brought this up
I am grateful for the time you have taken to educate people. I am a retired Registered Nurse . Worked many years with spinal cord injuries and head Injured Patients. Sometimes we have to remember that we are not God. And all we can do is to give an ear and hold a hand . Even when the patient is someone we love.
When I saw my primary several months ago, I told him thank you for referring me to the VERY BEST cardiologist in the world! My primary caught my heart murmur and said it was time to get an echo. I went from kindergarten to graduation day (in terms of cardiology)in less than 8 weeks! So much learning! So much to absorb! He told me thank you. When I turn saw my cardiologist I told him thank you. That I knew he’d saved my life.
The nurse at cardiac rehab saw me thru a horrible diabetic episode. My blood sugar dropped to 43! I didn’t feel horrid. But I was terrified. I didn’t know how much lower it could go but damn it was scary. I’m better today. I told the RN thank you. He told me it was nice to help me cause basically I didn’t fight him while he kept handing me glucose tablets. And that I appreciated his efforts. I HATE DIABETES.
Docs need to hear that more often.
Diabetes is insidious. A quiet disease that attacks our hearts, blood vessels, kidneys and eyes. My dad died young from type 1 diabetes.
Getting sufficient ESSENTIAL HUMAN NUTRITION and some regular exercise with sunshine, good rest, fasting patterns, just might help ease your problems.
Also, PRIMARILY people MUST BE RESPONSIBLE WITH their WORDS, DECLARATIONS, BELIEFS, THINKING,....
ALSO....
WHAT THEY ARE "OPEN" TO BECAUSE BEING HYPNOTIZED, BRAINWASHED, & ADDICTED (to whatever - (msg, cell phones, weaknesses)) IS EXTREMELY COMMON THESE DAYS.....the masses are in a hypnotic stupor much like sleep walking, (oftentimes by tela-lie's vision/tv's "predictive programming").......
and look how many toxins they're taking in, (from caffeine, alcohol, OTC meds, Rx's, topicals, environmental & agriculteral chemicals, radiations & toxic frequencies), and on and on .......
Bless you for actually saying thank you and letting those people know you appreciate what they did. They need to hear it.
Could it be your glucose-lowering meds were too strong? That has been what I observed. The diabetes was not the problem, the remedy was the problem…
this is why I write thank you notes and always bring little art pieces that I've been working on for my doctor because he lights up when he sees them. ❤
This was a very powerful presentation Dr. Hope you present this at a conference. Maybe if they would be more attentive they would feel satisfied and not depressed. Happy patients can be a source of joy for a doctor. Again, very powerful doctor!
I have attempted suicide 12 times. Did it once and was revived. No I did not see a white light I was not warm or anything it was nothing. PTS sucks especially when it's from 4 different traumatic events.
I hope that all you doctors out there get the mental health you need we the people who depend on you. I myself look up to you. Hell I am older than several of my doctors but in your own way your like a fireman running into an emergency. Your our hero's. Not sure if I am glad I was brought back but it is better than being dead. It's a premiant answer for a temporary problem.
You have more lives than a cat, and thank goodness. Don’t try again, you’re clearly needed here!
I'm glad you're here.
My darling 😢 🫂 I hug you as a younger Mama.
This was really scary during the earlier months of the pandemic, oh man. It was heartbreaking knowing the immense stress and distress that doctors and nurses et al. were experiencing and I think combat-zone medicine was a fairly apt comparison.
nurses yes , they are the heros of the hospitals, doctors not so much
You both sound like robot/a.i. commenting as if it was a Hollywood production.
@@FathomFrequency Dummies in my neighbourhood banged pots and pans at 7 pm every night for months in 2020, for the "courageous front line workers." One of my friends is a topnotch nurse. She was on maternity leave until June 2020. When she went back to work, she discovered that the hospital had only one covid patient in all that time, a little girl who was tested in June. Her family was tested at that time, and none of them had it. The nurses were wearing masks and she asked, "Why are you wearing these? They don't work; it even says so on the box." The nurses shrugged and said, "We were told to wear them." It was all theatre.
News programs showed long lineups of people waiting outside hospitals, supposedly for tests or treatments. Some of the people were the hospitals' employees, told to line up, to give the impression there was a crisis. People checked out the
hospitals the next day and found them absolutely deserted. Hardly no cars in the parking lots, hardly anyone in the hospital, except for a receptionist and a lot of security guards.
There was a hospital in Brazil that reported hundreds of cases in 2020. The President urged the MPs to go to that hospital and check it out to verify the reports. They found that the hospital was still under construction and didn't have any patients. They posted their video of the empty hospital. The government was scammed so that the hospital administration could collect bonus money for reporting covid patients.
Interesting that you mentioned combat nurses. I watched video made by an army nurse who was sent to a hospital in New York in 2020. She was in despair because the patients were being murdered and there was nothing she could do about it. Nobody would listen to her when she tried to get them to take proper care of the patients. The hospital put an untrained nurse in charge of a dialysis machine, when they had a trained nurse they could have assigned to it. Patients died because of this.
Student doctors were using patients as practice for treatments they did not need. One of the residents was going to do something to a patient that would kill him and he would not listen to the nurse when she tried to tell him. The Director of nurses was right outside the room, so she went to him and told him about this and he refused to stop the doctor. The doctor killed the patient, as she predicted.
The other nurses commended her for caring about the patients and trying to do her best, but it was just words. She said, "I feel like I'm working among sociopaths." She quit that job because she was prevented from saving her patients.
Another nurse had similar experiences. She said that the patients on vents were put into a coma to keep them from pulling the tube out of their throat. They were given way too many drugs and she reduced the drugs every time she was on shift, but the next shift would jack them up again. She said only one patient on a vent survived. He was a drug addict, so he had a high tolerance for narcotics. He became conscious, pulled the tube out, and went home. Leaving the hospital is why he survived.
Nurses who really cared about the patients reported that many of them were neglected. They were just left alone in a room. Nobody was busting their butt to look after them. Patients that did not have covid were put into wards with patients who had it and they became infected.
I think that the patients had much more stress than the medical staff. They were kept isolated, no family or friends allowed to visit and advocate for them. This is the real reason they were isolated. The hospitals did not want witnesses to the neglect and medical mismanagement.
A man reported in a video that he was in a car accident. He did not have any serious injuries and told the ambulance crew that he was all right. They ignored him and injected him right away, against his will, with something that knocked him out.
He woke up in a hospital 100 miles from his home, with no money and no clothes. He held up a sheet to his body and went out in the hall, and demanded that the nurses show him his chart, so he could see what they had given him. They were shocked and asked how it was possible that he was conscious.
Eventually they surrendered the chart and he was outraged at the long list of drugs he was given. He was barely scratched in that accident and did not need any treatment at all, never mind drugs that he would never had consented to. He demanded some clothes and they eventually found some clothing that homeless people would wear, and had him leave the hospital by a side door. He had no way of getting home.
I think that if someone investigated that ambulance service, they might find that it was getting paid to send people to that homicidal hospital.
Propaganda
All ventilated patients are sedated in that state .. most ventilated early covid patients expired . Those are just the facts of the disease the virus causes. it's unfortunate you watched a documentary made by a group everyone is aware of.. where it's all been debunked for several years now and you're still spreading this disinformation.
I know exactly who and what you're referring g to a d that nurse was outed for participating in this pure Propaganda
Inundated hospitals did end up having g to fill positions and put people on duties where they had no prior training in a deadly pandemic where staff were dropping from the virus as well
Nurses that went to NYC and other states had traumatic experiences. I saw alot too.. I lived in a hotel for 3 months working 7 day weeks. In ED radiology
RNs were placed in ICUs with ICU supervision - no one was making sole care decisions without authority
Lot that is unplanned did happen but no one was killing patients
We watched as almost all ICU patients were passing, so it's TRUE only 1 may have survived and was taken off the vent. I worked 2 years in a hospital where all u it's but 2 were turned into covid ICU and onky witnessed 5 patients discharged after acute ARDS admission with covid pneumonia. They died of covid pneumonia and other multiorgan covid related acute failures
An ounce of truth and a ton of lies is wgat you've made into your delusion
Exactly as it was intended for you to believe.. it helps the people intended and hate the people intended for you to hate
Woukd be cool if you woukd stop spreading Healthcare Propaganda
You csnt even NAME the hospital you are accusing of mass murder
Please take all the seats and go find the facts
I am not in the healthcare area, but I do know you are an exceptional human being, Dr. Kaveh. I am a subscriber and have watched you for months. I wish more doctors were like you; with the compassion and forward thinking you display. Thank you so very much.
I never thought you'd y'all about this. I never, in my 33 years of being treated for chronic pain after breaking my neck, was exposed to this until recently. I had finally found the sweetest , kindest, generous, caring, sympathetic D O that kept me moving for 10 years, until he took his life. His was because of the DEA crack down and his assistant embezzling 200k from him. This just happened 2.5 years ago and I'm still devastated. And I still don't have pain relief
My Mom told me years ago that some surgeons don't get close to their patients because of the emotional toll of deaths of patients. When I needed spine surgery my surgeon had a horrible bedside manner, abrupt and judgemental. But...I knew he was a great surgeon and my Mom's words came back to me immediately. Eventually I told my doctor how much he changed my life. His personality warmed right up. I saw him smile for the first time.
I suppose that surgeons often get little validation; the nature of their profession means that the majority of his/her working life is seeing ill/ in pain ppl, then operating on them & then, due to the post op procedure, only having very limited time to see them afterwards.
I'm sure that it's not validation per-se that they're seeking, but to get hardly any must create a negative mindset-that's the case in the UK - where the NHS is a victim of its own success-creaking under the strain of our ever expanding population.
Whatever the reason, it's dreadful for all concerned 💔
Doctors have sacrificed their private lives and freedom to their patients and the hospitals they work for, it’s too much, overwhelming.
While they cry all the way to the bank with their paychecks.
Baloney! They live luxurious lifestyles many of them. I know this for a fact. Also, the old saying goes: If you can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen.
Many doctors and nurses feel that their hands are completely tied and their ability to effectively treat patients has been removed by higher authorities. In fact did you know that even if you worked a 16 hr shift and there is a massive casualty report that if you don’t go the authorities drag you out of your bed? Yes the National Guard will do that. There is no such thing as even a full time doctor. They are on call and even family physicians pull minimally 12 hr shifts 5 days a week and are usually the least paid of physicians.
@@charlesbrightman4237not for most of them if you really knew them. Please read my comment below. They would love to be able to bring the days back when your primary doctor could trade or swap. They didn’t change how the system works. There has been a need for experts if you have ever needed lifesaving measures multiple times as I have and I worked as a trauma nurse specialist which means that my level was higher acuity patients I understood that and have been thankful for the ones that have been forthcoming and humble. We are all in a controlled situation that also frustrates doctors beyond what you could ever understand because one . mark can change every bit of a pts chart. They are sleep deprived and are expected to perform like they are part of a circus, on display at the cost of their own private time and that of their families. Their families, if they support them realize that and hope that they can have planned time with them too. I too have had terrible experiences but it is like racism to put them all in the same category.
@@RitaMBuda-tz6bisays the person who obviously hasn’t ever been in that position and has no idea
Definitely not unique to doctors. I’d say these subjects are integral to nurses too. Ty for talking about this and raising awareness.
Definitely! Nurses face so much more than overwhelming workloads. Abuse from patients and other colleagues add a considerable strain on our mental health!
Eve dentists and veterinarians have high suicide rates. You are right about nurses. I had a friend who was a radiological technician. Giving cancer treatments ad loosing so many patients got to her so badly she had to change professions
I have been searching for a facility for myself for 6 weeks. I finally found a place for non suicidal, non self harming, non violent people having a mental event. They are for police, 911, drs, firefighters, etc. These places exist, but they are very hidden too. Seek help if you need it. ❤
Of all the vast good you do, Dr K, what I find most valuable is the way you emphasize that doctors are humans too.
Like the old saying goes: the mind is willing but the body is weak. I've come across alot of docs that want to help, esp chronic pain. But they're stuck with bs from insurance companies more than anything. It's not so much the government but insurance. When you go to school forever to help and treat ppl and you spend your entire career doing paperwork. That's depressing. I heard an average ER admit is like 30pgs of paperwork just to admit. That's depressing.
It’s all computerized now and is very extensive, even for the nurses. Just think about it, you want to give one pill and must click click click thru pages to get go it and then it wants more info.
I’ve overheard patients say I’m playing on the computer.
They really have no idea, all the BS.
God i felt that, the only thing i will learn with my hands is writing the patient's diary. @@chilloften
I trained as a therapist. My tutor told me vets had the highest suicide rates. She said it was because they have access to euthanizing drugs. I wondered if it was the same for doctors.
We all have dark moments and I imagine more people would opt out during the incredibly painful times in their lives if they had access to drugs that could ensure a quick, painless exit.
When you don't have access, you get time to think, eat, sleep, connect with love ones, to see things differently. To change your mind.
Access to the means has to be a big factor
I’ve heard the same Vets! Doctors and the Police. Being either 3 would have to be soul destroying.
Yep. Same with f-arms. More access to them means more regrettable outcomes.
Initially I thought it was because putting dogs to sleep and giving hamsters enemas was a depressing grind. 🤔
Yep.
Doctors don't get enough thank yous from their patients for taking care of them..... I'd like to give a thank you to all physicians and a special thank you to you, Dr Kaveh for all you do to help educate the public
I used to give compliments through member services until member services turned out to be turning the compliments into complaints.
One doctor dumped me because he didn't believe I had given him a compliment for catching a mistake that a doctor had done years ago, in preventing it from happening again not only to me but allowed me to help someone else.
Member services turned it to a complaint.
It's difficult enough when I try to make compliments and four of them have been turned to complaints.
I made a point to call the head of my doctor's Department to make compliments or send them through email and request that the doctor printed out and add it to the doctor's portfolio. One doctor told me that the compliment I gave him reached him at a time when he was considering stopping being a doctor.
But later all of the struggle he was going through made him delay getting me a test that I needed and gave me invalidation before he finally did look at my fingernails and correctly diagnose a nutritional deficiency, so he was still a better doctor then the others but needed someone to gripe at during my appointment -
Thank you! I now realize he was using me for emotional support on my time, and if I'd thought of it then I would have begrudged it less.
Thank you, I really did need to process that! If he is still working, he might have retired, I think I'm going to pass that along to him. Of course he leaned on me emotionally because I had been helpful previously.
Maybe they should be encouraged to have a patient who they have found that they can trust and who has found that they can trust them to act as emotional support off hours. It wouldn't have bothered me at all, I only wish I had realized it sooner. At least he did catch a nutritional deficiency, instead of telling me that my fingernails weren't dangerous as I've Been Told previously. It isn't dangerous, fingernails are a thermometer of Health and merely show symptoms when there is a problem elsewhere.
Self care is paramount to being able to care for others! I wonder what public policy could be developed to reduce the stigma or peril for doctors and other medical to ask for and receive timely help? Much loving kindness to you and your peers kind Sir!
Requiring doctors to use a different Health Plan would make them more comfortable exposing their health conditions because their colleagues wouldn't be aware of it.
You know , I believe we should pray for and with our doctors as they treat us and just over all for them in every way . I’ll be praying for you as well doc that the Lord help , bless and keep you in every way and thank you for your time out that you take to to share and educate us all here 🤍
The worst mistake I made as an NP I ordered an epidural for a patient and pointed to the wrong room the anesthesia resident gave her the epidural. The patient was thrilled and successfully had pain relief. The attending was a bit pissed but accepted my error with Grace. I wrote myself up. I still shutter at the thought. It never happened again.
You’re human and allowed to make mistakes unfortunately when it comes to providers we’re unfortunately not forgiving for it
@@snowgurl21 Thank you for the kind words. My error didn’t hurt anyone but potentially could have. I’ve found that health care workers are very hard on themselves when they make an error. There are the few who get away with errors and finally make an egregious error costing lives. I’ve seen it. I ran into the anesthesiologist who did the epidural. Ironically he was doing my husband’s anesthesia for a hip replacement. We laughed about what happened 35 years ago but both of us still felt the sting and humiliation from that error.
Has the medical community ever hear & practice, Check,double check,triple check what is correct for the patient???
@@maryjoroth5884 you are right. The day I made this error I was in charge of the unit that day We were short staffed and in the weeds within an hour. I remember that we had 3 ORs going with one very critical patient. Placenta increda in DIC. She received over 50 units of blood and blood components. I was calling trying to get nurses to come in There were patients laboring in front of the nurses station. It was the equivalent to a MASH unit. These are not excuses. There is no excuse. I screwed up.
I had a great doctor that I wanted to do my back surgery, but I heard from others and I experienced that his staff didn’t communicate. Things weren’t scheduled, calls not returned etc. i complained to him and mentioned that the person referring me to him was also frustrated. He suicided 1-2 years ago. I always hoped that wasn’t part of the frustration level. He was a young, brilliant dr and only 37 years old. Drs need to be great drs and everyone around them need to be a supporting staff. I passed his office today to get to my shoulder surgeon. Still gives me chills walking past his office.
My brother was a veterinarian and unalived himself at age 59 due to extreme depression, loneliness, isolation, and an unsuccessful mobile veterinary practice in a rural area. Many of his patients saw vet care only for rabies vaccinations or to be euthanized because the owners were in extreme poverty and couldn't afford even basic vet care. It wasn't enough income to sustain him, though he lived very sparsely, and he didn't want to euthanize dogs who could easily recover with treatment. So, he literally euthanized himself with veterinary drugs. I think MDs seeing poverty and inability to help their patients also leads to mental health issues if not addressed.
i agree. doctor i knew worked with patients he couldn’t help due to extreme poverty
Sorry you have had to deal with this.
Vets and animal rescuers do have a higher risk 💔
I would look at this through the lens of compassion fatigue, which is a form of post-traumatic stress. But the reporting requirement for mental health is going to hold back a lot of people because you are relinquishing control to another person and those people are so often just wrong. The diagnosis can be an epiphany but it can also become a label...
Hi. It’s JF NP. I have seen failed suicides. Most are grateful they failed however they have pain we don’t understand. More often than not they go on to end their lives. The majority hang themselves.
I have a master’s degree in bioethics and a masters in maternal child health. I’ve tried to get them into therapy ASAP. Psychological pain is very real. Nurses have to let the nursing board answers the same questions. Doctors are locked into a lifestyle not just a job.
Various doctors I’ve seen over 10 years, who’ve diagnosed my muscle weakness, extreme light & sound sensitivity, memory loss and confusion as “Depression”, are obviously working in the interests of the hospital and not the helpless, suffering patient.
I hope these “doctors” are consumed by the urge to “un-alive” all the days of their lives.
@@sheep4521 I have all of these things. Can you tell me what else they would be besides depression?
@@zoiefinnian3540 I’m not a doctor, but it sounds like you need to get your actual brain checked, and not for depression. People who’ve had strokes or other brain injuries can display these symptoms. But, again, not a doctor.
It’s not true that most attempts eventually go on to complete. It’s about 10%. My dearly departed hubby attempted 8 times by his count and ended up passing from cancer after taking himself to radiation and chemo for a month. ❤️🩹
@@misspat7555 I’m so sorry you experienced this. I did too in my personal life. A family member ended their life in a violent manner . In my 40+ years of experience I’ve seen many people who are in severe psychological pain go on to end their lives after failed attempt. I have spoken to them till I’m blue in the face and have felt convinced that they would seek treatment for their pain. This is my experience working in a major NYC hospital. My practice was maternal child health. I am a bioethics specialist and I made sure to give my best recommendations for patients in crisis.
Treating you to some ☕️ Dr. Kaveh. I really appreciate your videos on linking trauma and medical. Also trying to make it more comfortable to talk about uncomfortable topics. I’ve learned it’s okay to talk about my vulnerabilities after reading books by Brene Brown and still working on it. Thank you for making a difference in this world. I’m going for my surgery soon. Found your videos on calming my anxiety. You have a beautiful heart and soul.
Wow, so eye opening and informative. So many people look at doctors and police as if they are not human. Thank you so much for your transparency and honesty. I will say, you are so very appreciated, i hope you know that. I will be telling my doctor that as well.
maybe you meant "robot" or "resilient" instead of "not human." cuz most people look up to drs, not down. some, not me, would see janitors and fast food clerks as "not human".
A very good friend of mine a plastic surgeon died of suicide. I know this because I heard it directly from his partner.
What’s up, that was a great live stream a very important subject, one of my auntie committed suicide in 2007 so sad, she was not a doctor. It’s really sad that a lot of doctors commit suicide, I could handle the stress of being a anesthesiologist, it’s not stressful to me, I have always wanted to be a anesthesiologist ever since I was a kid, I’m 34, I really enjoy donating to the anesthesiologist Foundation, since it was hard for me to go to college because of my cerebral palsy! I would be a great anesthesiologist like you! I have a nurse practitioner for My primary care doctor, she’s awesome and nice! You rock man! I’m going to check out the BMW i7 on Saturday
So good you did this. My daughter was a bartender at the Jersey shore and thus anaesthesiologist used to come in alone and proceed to get hammered and intermitedly cry. (when the place was slow). One day he came in loaded, and he was on the clock and he was so upset saying he'll never be the man John Wayne was and crying ( he was obsessed with John Wayne) He would tell her "Do you know how many people I've seen die?" She never knew what to say to him except "you've had enough". One day he stopped coming in. One of the local cops later told her he offed himself. He was about your age. It's Doctors Without Borders that I'm concerned about. God bless these people. They work in chaos. Doctors need to get off their Olympic perch and admit they have problems, who could blame them after this pandemic and all of the devastation that did to our bodies, families, neighbors, and our psyches. Take care you doctors, we need you!! And appreciate you.
Thank you for sharing this from the Dr’s perspective! I never knew this, but it really makes sense to me. I appreciate the insight you are giving us. 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻😊
I am so thankful I found your channel! You have given out such valuable & trusted info on the medical world that not a lot of us would know if we hadn’t listened to your videos. Has made me realize Doctors are human beings that have struggles just like we do! Thanks for all you do!!❤❤
I wonder about business owners rate of suicide? A decent amount of doctors run their own businesses and that is a lot of stress too
My doctor committed suicide just a year ago. It was and continues to be devastating to many of his patients and nurses because we just don’t know why. He was irreplaceable, a good doctor who took time to listen, really listen to his patients. I believe it may have been due to the way the practice of medicine was taken out of the hands of true doctors and turned them into mechanics during COVID. He was such a sensitive and truly caring, truth-seeking physician.
clues for suicide: he was Sensitive, Truly Caring, Truth Seeking. Those in health care who listen Alot, take in everyone's troubles often have no where to unload the heavy load may become unable to cope and see suicide as a way out. Very sad, one must compartmentalise oneself to protect oneself.
My husband's doctor committed suicide in his office after hours about twenty years ago. He was a very good doctor, maybe cared too much.
I'd say that 75% of patients are in the hospital because of the ill side effects of surgeries, medications, misdiagnosed, etc
Experience tells me this
I've found myself in that category several times.NHS.
They did say my last hospitalization was due to a condition caused by abdominal surgery. But that surgery was really necessary. And if I had known that not passing gas for too long can mean you have a problem, I could have prevented it. I won't let it happen again.
I've been in ER cuz my doctor told me to take too high of a dose of antibiotics, I felt like I was dying. I'm very small & can't believe he did that. I think they are too stressed sometimes.
Spot on. A 5 day stay led my being hospitalised 80 days
@@HerbertTowers I have a permanent disability because of it. Take care
My biological sister who was a social worker, committed suicide. She had all the resources she could ever ask for at her fingertips, yet still committed suicide. I was so angry at her for a long time. Suicide is a horrible thing for all concerned. Those left behind struggle with not only the death of a loved one, but also struggle with guilt that you didn’t see the problem or couldn’t do anything to stop it, etc. So tragic!
She seen many horror's in life you probably never will being a social worker so don't be mad be happy she is not suffering anymore!
@@PSYCHICVIBES, thanks. Yeah, I’m not mad at her any more, but it took me awhile to get past the anger & hurt. I am glad, now, that she is at peace.
I totally agree w/ you! grew up in an area of epidemic suicide. I really hated them for it! Also hated parents for shutting down thoughts, discussions.
I have met a surgeon who didn't care about anything but his career.
That's definitely something I've seen before, too
I think surgeons are generally more arrogant.
That would be my surgeon that operated on my back. He was involved in a scheme where he was putting counterfeit screws in patients, and taking kickbacks from the company. He was featured on an episode of Crime Watch Daily With Chris Hanson.
@@Tamra_77what is a counterfeit screw
@@user-fs1le2ds3r they were not medical grade steel. They’re supposed to be made out of medical grade titanium. He was using screws that were made in a machine shop, and they are rusting, and snapping in half in patients. I only found out by accident, when I googled him. I was never able to find out if I had the screws in me. It was too late by the time I found out. When I called the hospital where I had my surgery, they told me they didn’t have my records anymore.
Around where I live, the hospital rules are getting so bad for Doctors and patients that I can’t even get into see my PCP but every 6 to 8 months! They try to schedule you with a PA, or nurse practitioner, but I want to see the Dr.! I think there is such a shortage of Dr’s here that they must be under intense pressure from all sides. Thank goodness for them, but I wouldn’t want their job! It’s sad…
I shared you because i love listening and learning from you !
I WISH it was talked about! I have my theory, now that have on both sides of the bed rails. As an advocate, I am not shocked, but why isn't it taught and discussed. All you and others have mention is definitely a part, but as a London Doc and I have talked about this, and now - watching, I see many things that are possibly the foundation. Those I've mentioned have agreed. As a person who lived through 2 severe mistakes & still in treatment. My story is three - 3 ring binders long. It is pretty obvious. My "son", has been a dr for years. He texted me & said "I'm struggling". I thought & took a chance when answered him. I was on target. EGO- Why don't colleagues report these death or possible deaths & protect patients? I do not trust many doctors - and use Acupuncture medicine & Functional, and I'm alive - shockingly! Thanks for saying the words no one will! PS. There are great valid research explaining how to present your mistake and still have patient trust.
Great advice sir and so caringly shared and delivered. We are so thankful for you and what you do 🤗
Thank you so much for the video. Appreciated! Have a lovely weekend if you are not working. Or even if you are working!
My son's psychiatrist died by suicide the week after my son's first appointment with him. I found out about it when I read about it in the news. He was an alcoholic who was trying to stop drinking and had isolated at a family property away from everything. Not only was he struggling with his addiction, he was also working with children with sometimes severe mental illnesses at the regional children's hospital.
You are so perceptive and articulate to delve into this phenomenon. I have to wonder how much poor health habits like using sugar or wheat to elevate mood could affect them, and then there is alcohol. Even the general population is affected by anxiety, but they are not tasked with saving lives. So, loneliness and aloneness is certainly a factor when there are insufficient listening ears and compassion. Knowing God's love and giving Him the weight of my distress is paramount. This will cause me to be cognizant when trying to advocate for myself to avoid meds. However, that's astonishing that a quarter of them don't have a PCP.
I had a doctor that committed suicide, Fran Rose MD. She was a really great doc. I had a client that was the daughter of a doc, her Mom committed suicide. So much fear of getting help and pride.
🙇♀️ thank you for the insight.
This is so sad - thank you for bringing this to our attention.
My best friend from college was a physician who killed himself in his office after office hours
Dear Dr. Kaveh, you and all doctors have my respect. People think of the 'glamour' of the profession and the high salary but you deserve every penny. Many are not aware of all the pressure you go through, the long shifts, the responsibility, not to mention the unbelievable amount of studying. My nephew has been studying really hard to match into orthopaedic surgery and it's insane. The same thing with his fiancée and honestly I am worried about them. The stuff they told me made my jaw drop and made my respect for health care professionals increase ten fold. To have med students (during rotations), residents, doctors and specially surgeons work 24 hours shifts with no sleep is inhumane and criminal, this should be against the law. Nurses are often overworked. Of course it does take a toll on your mental health so no wonder so much medical malpractice. Hospitals are all about money, to h*ell with the patients and the health care workers 😢 I had no idea how gruelling it can be until my nephew started his rotations. I will never forget the nightmare health care workers went through during the pandemic. God bless you all 🙏
My two areas of where life is and where I wanted to be are sooooo opposite, because of health complications mostly. Still, I have managed to slowly get to where I have new priorities and new ways of finding happiness and a sense of purpose. We all so appreciate your own vulnerability in sharing these videos @Dr. Kaveh. You have taught us so much, and I hope that helps you know how much it helps us, and you find some peace and even joy with that knowledge.
Sometimes when very old people are asked how they managed to live so long, they say it's because they stayed away from doctors.
Maybe that old saying, an apple a day keeps the doctor away...
Verrrry rare. Thank God you have access to health care.
All healthcare workers really don't take care of themselves and we advocate for our patients to make better choices to improve their health but we ignore our own needs. I remember a doc that became addicted to pain meds and she sought out help. The medical board made life hell for her, that was in the early 2000's. Then two other docs didn't seek help, was writing scripts, got caught lost their licences to practice. It's a shame. Now there are safety nets in place but many people are reluctant to seek help bc of the possibility of losing their license to practice.
In our small town, we had a beloved doctor that committed suicide . It was a shock to our community , he cared for his patients. One thing that’s so sad ,it’s the way it happened . He realizes he needed help, his family got in the car with him , then he told his family ,he had forgotten something, he went back in his home , took his gun and ended his life. 😞
My doctor reduced her hours. It means it can be harder to get a timely appointment but I respect her decision to cut back. I'd rather have a part-time doctor than no doctor.
How tragic. Cvd was a huge burden for physicians of all tiers-on the coalface, probably more at risk of infection than any other professionals-schools closed, shops closed/ allowed very limited "safe" spaces, hospitals were wide open to any & every sickness plus THE sickness.
I was worried about my own GPs mental health-he hated not being able to see his patients face to fqce, & was so worried bcs he knew that some of them had died solely bcs of ambulance waiting times.
I spoke to him on a phone consultation & admitted I was worried for HIM-not the sort of thing I'd normally say, I said that I was concerned for his mental health, he said that he'd take measures to protect himself mentally if he felt things were going that way.
I'm in the UK & I guess it's the same everywhere 💔
❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤I love the information you are THE BEST!!!¡
We need to show love to our doctors, we are all human. We look up to doctor's as strong genius and forget their needs. Show compassion to doctor's and nurses, ems, etc..we need you all...
No one tells us about suicide, we feel they are stronger than us, we must pray for them. The hardest job they do each day, we take it for granted.😢
well shared, improvements need implimenting
I’m a mental health clinician and I’m still expected to report any mental health diagnoses to my licensing board. Mental health stigma coming straight from a mental health board…🙄🤷
I don't understand what you're saying
I have several Doctor clients, but the surgeons are the ones that are very depressed. Feel worthless, don't feel like they're good enough. And want to take their life so sad.
a famous orthopedic surgeon operated on me, people come from all over to have him. He came to see me afterwards in my room, "Hey you're a famous guy," I said and gave a quick rundown of the people I knew he'd repaired. A sweet smile came over his face.
Dr. Kaveh, do you think different specialties in medicine seem to attract more or fewer individuals with certain personality profiles or temperaments?
Thank You for bringing this Up!!! Doctors and Nurses, have some of the Most Thankless Jobs in the World! God Bless ALL of You!!!
I was a psychiatric social worker for 40 years and also involved with the medical system frequently because of health problems my children and I had. Work ing in psychiatric inpatient programs there would be leisure equipment available for patients to use. However, occasionally psychiatrists and medical doctors, when on the ward would pause to play the piano or challenge someone to a game of pool. A Chinese doctor would come to our ward just to play ping pong. She was amazing and drew a big crowd. The patients loved it. We had a psychiatrist who would seek out the daily newspaper and sit in the circle of comfortable chairs to read it every day. I also knew 2 doctors in different settings who would swim in the patient pool when it was closed at the end of the day, before they went home. I also knew a couple of doctors who had interesting hobbies and would share them at work in the staff room where comradery became high. I realize that regular medical settings don't have these opportunities available, but maybe they should. Have a place where medical staff can just be a person and have an outlet to relieve stress and just be who they are, a few minutes of no demands or expectations.
I wonder how many do because they are pressured by unethical drs to go against do no harm . It happens and they barely hide it anymore
This is rather timely for me. For many years I saw a particular GP (general practitioner, Australian for PCP or personal care physician). The physiotherapist I was seeing wanted to write a referral letter to my GP and he googled my GP before writing the letter (because it had been a while since I'd last seen him and it was possible he'd retired).
The physiotherapist called me over to the screen and there was my GP's obituary. No cause of death was given, just the date of his death. I can't be absolutely sure that he killed himself or whether he had a sudden physical health issue.
Either way, I think his death (he wasn't that old) was a reminder that we all need a work-life balance and we all need to remember and look after our own needs.
They should have recreation rooms, (table tennis, shuffle board, darts, etc., saunas, massage areas in the hospital specifically for Dr's to meet up with colleagues, shoot the breeze, rest and relax, exercise. Additionally, sometimes long hours really mess with a person and knock them off balance. Having a legitimate support system is crucial for anyone. 😊
Here 8n Germany veterinarians have the highest suicide rate, even the students.
Me, I am a graduated phytopathologist = a doctor for plants (background in biology /agriculture).
Working in my own plant production.
Lovely job! I enjoyed growing my own legal plants and using them holistically and there is so much to learn about them and from them. I really had to strain my brain during the pandemic and try to recall and work nonstop even though disabled from what I used to do. It does make a difference. Plants and painting were my therapy. I had many many gardens and grow edible plants, those labeled as weeds but known to help and it was amazing to see all the wild life and rare insects that knew there jobs. I used to accumulate yearly just from my wildflowers alone 25 large metal coffee cans of seeds to give to others. I almost went into that area of study. I can no longer tend to 5 acres of gorgeous plants, fungi and food and beauty but I paint them. 😊
@@ninner196 Thank you for sharing your great experience. It sounds so good but why can't you continue and where are you located?
Am already 65 years old, want to get a bigger gardening space and might move from Germany to warmer Portugal.
It would be better to have warmer climate in winter.
@@katipohl2431 I am disabled, I had to move and I have to have physical care myself now. My joints are severely affected as well as my heart. I have had to relearn to walk twice and my gait isn’t steady. It’s a far cry from what I was with many years of gymnastics and ballet but they were also the techniques that I had to use to be able to stand and walk because I had absolutely no assistance at the time. I read, teach but can’t do the physical work that I used to. Where my tendons attach to my bones in my joints inflames severely despite medications and it affects the vessels and cartilage causing severe inflammation, severe nerve pain on top on a spinal injury and fibromyalgia/ CF. I have found certain benefits that I thought helped in the past and recently were officially confirmed by studies but it just takes the edge off. Having a positive outlook helps but nobody feels that way all the time of course with this. That is one thing that I found helpful being a nurse for years is that I saw others that had terrible situations so many suffer and I am not alone.
I loved your expression “doctors in diapers” it is real and nasty. I had the director of anesthesia in diapers who entered the OR when I was there because I had 2- 22 gauge IVs for a short procedure and he came in unmasked so I said to get his mask on or get out and he tried ramming and 18g inside my wrist when it already blew. I marked with a pen where I had another vein and explained that as soon as the sevoflorine is on it will pop up. He screamed at me and I was the one having the surgery and my doctor was just using the clinic. So I told him to leave and if I get an infection that I will be on his back. The other nurses were absolutely angry with him and said that they always wished that they could tell him what I did. I just said the truth. It is stressful but no one else steps toe to toe and it didn’t help my anesthesia. That man was a tyrant besides coming in the OR spewing spit and screaming. Both 22 g were running fast, insane.
Right. Patients are supposed to advocate for themselves. When they are sick, possibly disoriented by drugs, feeling vulnerable, and might be abused by nurses if they express criticism about anything.
When I was pregnant, I read about the best way to deliver my baby. I went to Lamaze classes, refused anesthetic (though I'm a wimp about pain), and nursed my baby after he was born. I wanted to give him the best possible start in life of which I was capable.
I told a nurse that I did not want my baby to be given sugar water. She challenged me about it, so I explained my reasons, and none of it mattered to her until I said that my doctor agreed with me. She could not argue about that, but revenge was taken. When my excitement about the baby finally calmed down enough for me to get some sleep, which I hadn't had for 30+ hours, the staff let me sleep for only FIFTEEN MINUTES before they woke me up, saying that my baby needed feeding. I had fed him right before I turned in for the night. The nurses certainly were not supportive of me advocating for my child. I took him home the next day because I figured I would get sick if stayed in the hospital any longer.
Thank you for making us all aware of this need. We did have a doctor take his life. He was very personable, and caring, so it was a shock. Especially to his staff, although I think they knew ‘something’ was going on with him. This was probably 30 yrs ago. I had severe postpartum and my ob/gyn doctor suggested counseling. I did and have had counseling on and off for many years as life changes presented themselves with ill parents, teen children angst and then my husband being diagnosed with Lewy Body Dementia. I’m not afraid to admit I needed help and still do at times. So thankful for my doctors recognizing the need for me and hopefully for themselves. Thank your doctors for their care.
I was a educator in a Residency Program and I saw new residence from their 1st year to their 3rd and graduating year. Wow! What an eye opener. Their lives were not their own. All sleep deprived and on the time clock 1st year 45 min. With patients, 2nd year, 30 min, 3rd year 15 min.
I saw many just emotionally be burnt out. Physically burnt out. Frightening to see. But many managed, seemingly well.But who really knows. Not one reached put for help. 😢
After several months on the wrong oral antibiotic for a recurrent UTI with labs that were misread by a junior resident in my urogynecologist's office, it was suggested to me that perhaps I needed mental health assistance. No, I needed to get off strong antibiotics that turned a relatively simple UTI into a superbug infection. Those antibiotics ruined my entire gut microbiome, gave me diarrhea, headaches and insomnia, and made me constantly hungry, hostile and forgetful. And, if that particular pathogen ever again grows to infection level, I have to submit to catherization for "the purest" urine sample and treatment will be effective only if given via IV, which requires medical observation during infusion. Am I pissed? Literally and figuratively - you bet! It's been a few months since they discovered their mistake, and I got to hear about it via a phone call from someone I'd never even met. Now I insist on seeing only the top doc whose name is on the door. And he knows I still haven't decided whether I will sue. Malpractice exists at every level, and all you can do is hope the top doc in charge has strong enough ethics and an ego that makes them want to try harder.
Dr. Kaveh, I hope you yourself are keeping well! Talking about suicide can be a very emotional subject for some regular folks, so that on-line there always seem to be “trigger warnings” before a discussion. Fortunately, I do not personally have a doctor who killed himself. But I’m aware of a neurosurgeon who died suddenly at an early age, a few months into the pandemic of 2020. Much speculation as to the cause of his death as the reason was never published. Sad as it seems he was both brilliant and compassionate.
Thank you for addressing this - it's important that voices are heard from INSIDE the profession shouting out about it.
People always think that medics, vets, farmers have such easy lives and get shocked when they hear the suicide rates - so people don't even think of keeping an eye out for them - let alone when things are seriously hard for them and that's not recognised too.
Love your two arrows - lol they'll probably make an appearance in my work one day - but I'll shout out to you for them x
Praying for all doctors. They are some of the most important people we will ever meet in our lives. Most of them are heros to someone.
My doc spilled his guts about this,, long story short his wife ghosted him and took the kids and served him the papers at work, the day of my appointment. This was on top of lots of other things that went wrong. He was thinking about it.😕
I am a suicidal paramedic. I wonder if the stats within the first responder community are higher than the stats you reference.
⚡Change careers fast, you have family that loves you!! ⚡
Please dont do it ,Jesus loves you ,an please pray and talk to someone ,people needs you .❤
@williegilligan2661 already have. In construction now.
do ' inner child work' to love your inner child, and really listen to and talk to her/him with love and kindness , God bless you. Dont listen to your inner critical voice, only listen to your higher self and God's loving voice. Find someone to listen to you, it can be due to feeling like you dont belong. Look up your meyers briggs personality type. You are valued, needed, wanted, and appreciated and loved by many in this world even though you might not know them. Dont listen to people that have shamed you or made you feel bad about yourself, its not true.. You can read 'perfecting the soul' book. David Hawkins books too. God bless you
Please go for the help because you can be such an asset to those you help. As someone who watched 2 of my paramedics go down and take their lives and carrying that with me, I never viewed them as less important, we were a team. I was their friend, supervisor sure but the hole it leaves in others is terrible. Take the time you need to heal. It is not at all a failure to change jobs. I am disabled but I am an artist and I teach. I firmly believe that the whole world is suffering with PTSD. I have learned with whom to talk with and most might scoff at me but I could care less. You will learn more from them and their words of comfort are not empty promises. They are known worldwide for seeking to console everyone on the planet and have the largest website of logical verifiable information for people of all backgrounds and are usually made fun of because of their love to do this work. Nonetheless they would also say that it is vital to invest in yourself and seek professional help. We really do have an amazing future awaiting us. Yes they endeavor to converse not convert with everyone. 😊
Nurses nearly killed my daughter when she was 14 and had her appendix out. They were very nice while I was there, but after three days of staying close to her side, I had to get back to work to earn some money to pay the bills and she was going to be there for only one more day. Heather said she was given morphine after only two hours since her last dose. She told the nurse she did not need it, but the nurse ignored her and gave it to her anyway. When she actually needed help, she buzzed for assistance. Her room was directly across from the nurses' station. There was a group of them sitting there, chatting with each other. They looked at her when she buzzed, then turned away and ignored her. They also let her IV bag run dry. She learned a few years later that this could have killed her by sending an air bubble into her vein. She did not tell me any of this until she was in her forties and I was shocked.
IVs cannot totally empty and let a patient get an air bubble by design. The fluid stops moving halfway down the tubing when the pressure of the fluid equalizes with the pressure of the blood in the vein and cannot move any further due to the design of the IV and tubing. And it is impossible to kill someone with an air "bubble". One would have to force at least 20ml of air directly into someone's vein at a high speed to cause an air embolism and kill someone, that has been told to me by a few anesthesiologists. The IV info I know from being an RN of nearly 40 years.
@@MegaSnakegirl Well, that is what a nurse told her when she saw her IV running dry a few years later when she was in the hospital again. And what was with the double dose of morphine that she did not need, and the nurses ignoring her the only time she requested help?
@@faithworks217 Well, the nurse was wrong on the IV for sure. As for the timing of the morphine, I'm firstly surprised that they would give something that strong for an appy, but you would have to have followed up with your physician on the timing of the doses and reported the nurse ASAP after the event happened. But the IV thing is a common urban myth perpetuated by TV medical show writers over the last 50 or so years, it just cannot happen. So her nurse friend was in error.
Sad. My father had a tree farm where he and our family enjoyed life. I wouldn’t wish this on anyone and a medical error can be overcomed. Most
In such occupations and others should know that mistakes happen.
Medical errors are NEVER a casual fix. A dr's incompetence can leave you disabled for life if not dead. Just because a Dr "should" know what they're doing doesn't guarantee a knowledgeable and competent physician. Arrogance and hubris are common to the vast majority of physicians. Mistakes in medicine are unacceptable. Our social contract with Drs is ridiculous. In Ontario, malpractice insurance is paid with tax money. That's right, the patient (through tax credits) pays for the Dr's legal defence. Smh
Control is an illusion, people need to be reminded of this constantly.
Heartbreaking 💔🙏🙏
The Best Doctor . PG. had to go to closer to Home , I don’t blame Him for that , Sitting in the waiting area many really like Him . I wish VA could Help their Doctor & Medical workers better . Please. I think work is too much. Doc I would think it would be awesome to have a friend like you . Doctors help each other take more notice . Ask questions like what are your hobbies? I had fun talking to my DR. About America History. Even just for 5 minutes. He gave me medical homework that also was cool.
Well I had planned on being more adamant about advocating for myself in the doctors office . But I would rather stay in pain and suffer in my misery that my doctors choose not to help more with then to be a reason why a doctor might commit suicide . I have lots of problems medically and my doctors haven't been able to find the answers for some of it and I guess I probably seem like the difficult and trying patient to them . I wouldnt want to be the person who pushes them over that edge . I am never rude or mean and always act in kindness and patience in their offices but they are probably very sick of seeing me at visits as much as I am sick of having to go see them and always leaving in tears with no answers . This whole situation just really sucks and I have no way to change it . And they can't seem to help me to find answers . It's highly as likely it seems to me that the patients are just as if not more so likely to commit suicide. 😭😭😭
Consider ME/CFS. very common not well known and is real. Good luck
I worked with a great anesthesiologist! He was kind, he was a great listener, he took time with our patients, and made them feel heard. One day we came into work in the morning, and found him gone in the OR…. He had injected himself with Propofol. It was the absolute saddest thing I’d ever seen. It broke my heart to know that he was suffering like that, and none of us knew. He is terribly missed ♥️
Some people (including some doctors) eventually come to terms with the fact that one cannot “save a life”, but can only extend it, and only up to a point.
Therefore, it’s NOT healthy if people out there are holding onto any notions of being “saviors” or of “living forever”. Those are mindsets that don’t help anyone. Not the patients, nor the doctors. It’s an unrealistic framing of the role of the doctor, which probably puts unnecessary pressure on doctors and sets unrealistic expectations for patients. Hope is good, but false hope is not.
Again, one cannot “save lives”, but can only extend them, and only up to a point. Going into medicine thinking you’re “saving lives” is the wrong framing, but that’s what we typically do.
The main role of a doctor is to attempt and improve quality of life in all cases, but not the length of life, in each and every case.
The effort of doctors around the world is greatly appreciated. Thank you, for what you do.
Also might be worth mentioning that not everyone will share the same views on a voluntary self-exit and that it might not always be tied to anxiety or depression. Some cases may simply be a well-considered decision to exit existence. That being said, when it’s done irrationally, or under pressure and in desperation, then it’s likely not rational and there ought to be support for people in those situations. The stigma needs to be lifted so we can actually openly talk about it. We need to be clear about what we are saying when we say that it was due to “mental illness” especially when one’s health is a bio-psycho-socio-political phenomenon.
Positive community is helpful. Hoping everyone has that or is able to find it.
I have a Dr who is a brain surgeon. He's done hundreds of thousands of brain surgeries he told me. When I met him he told us what he does with his neighbor guy friends, what hobbies he has, he was a chatterbox of the cool things he does on time off. He said don't worry, if anything ever goes wrong, I've dealt with it many times before and I know what to do. I bet his great outlook was because he did other things and had friends. He came across like he was very confidant. He laughed a lot and was very friendly and personable.
My dad, a doctor, took his own life in 1978. He shot himselt at his office. The horror never goes away. He was so depressed. I was 22.
my dad worked as a psychiatrist, driving his patients to suicide intentionally. he tried to have me killed many times. the entire profession is a cut-out for oligarchical Satanism originating in the Knights Templar. Nobody wants to know the truth as humanity is basically a delusional creature.
@@cdm7650 I feel bad for you.The pain does get better with time 🌺
@@evelynstammgilliam thank you.
That's alarming! How many have you personally known of? I can imagine they would be emotionally starting to check out and not fully present for their patients. A surgeon or anesthesiologist would be my worst fear. I have surgery on Monday btw 😭🙏🏼
Sending positive vibes and prayers for you and your Dr.!
@@BlueJeanBaby61 thank you!
🥰🤗
As a Caregiver,Nurse 30 + Years..We Doctors & Nurses.
We have some Rules & Controls .over us..That Directly interfears with things we can do with/ For our Cleints & Patients. So, I do so much UNDERSTAND..we do have peoples lives Directly in our Hands..Get help Docs/ Nurses / Caregivers.Many jobs are Difficult..Health Care among them!
Thank you ,Doctor❤😊
A elderly lady where I live said she considered becoming a nurse when she was young. She volunteered at a hospital and closely watched all that was going on. That is why she noticed the head doctor go into the room where the drugs were kept and come out with a needle in his hand. She watched him go into the room of a young man who was only 24 year old, and through the crack in the door, she watched him give the young man that needle, and the young man died. That doctor deliberately killed him. She tried to tell the head nurse, but the nurse smiled and put her finger to her lips. This lady decided to not become a nurse because doctors and nurses were so cold-blooded.
She also spoke of her beloved husband, a policeman who loved to play music, and they were happy for many years. When he was 81, he got sick for the first time and went into the hospital. He was put onto a machine that did not work properly and caused him to frequently vomit. Their son stayed with his father and cleaned up the vomit. He overheard the doctor and head nurse talking about his Dad. The doctor was furious about what the machine was doing to him and asked the head nurse why it was being used. She snapped, "Because it's the only one we've got, and what does it matter anyway? He's OLD!"
Doctors and nurses are human. And there are great doctors who will do their best. But there are bad ones and some that are mentally unstable. Just like every where humans live and work. I have had Both kinds. Most of us are doing our best.
I want to sing outside your clinic Doc. 😂 I think I can do it ! You are the best ! 💫
It’s not just because doctors work is so stressful. It’s because most become doctors in order to BE ENOUGH. Admit it. Many choose this field for the status and financial clout. But it doesn’t work to fill their empty cups of angst. In other words, they have sought their identity and value through what used to be the highest status and biggest $ of any other careers. But the empty cup of ‘not being enough’ can’t be filled with identity and outside value. I can’t tell you how many times I was called to the hospital (when I was on call psychological help) to deal with nurses and doctors suicidality/overdoses. I love working with these folks because my method of helping them out of suicidality into calm/peace in just minutes. Them the real wound healing can start. (My method is in 5 free videos here on TH-cam)
Gosh, all I can say is the system is often so difficult for both doctors and patients.
I haven't known any doctors who have died at their own hand, but yes, many others and it is so, so sad.
The two arrows example is great.
I hope you take care and if you see another doctor who doesn't seem right, ask how they are doing. ❤
Such an important message. I think the entire medical profession is afflicted by these immense pressures, with the most intensity for those with the most responsibility and student debt.
Also, a lot of nurses are in burnout since the pandemic.
♥️Dr ,Thank you for being so wonderful helping us!♥️A ♥️Harbor university Dr are one of the most BEST Drs♥️
There seems to be so many chronic illnesses that can't be cured, well treated or in some cases even diagnosed.( Things related to IBS, arthritis, tendonitis, nerve pain, gut issues.) I've pretty much given up seeing doctors for my own conditions since it's a waste of time and can be depressing both from the patient and physician side.( I've probably seen 30 different doctors in my life and half of them specialists.) Add to that insurance and pharmaceutical companies running healthcare.
About 20 yrs. ago Dentists had the highest suicide rate... where do they stand now?
And Pilots have the same fear: they're afraid to seek help for even a small mental
problem bc the FAA may take away their flying license. Maybe MDs need a Union??