Greetings from Annapolis I really appreciate your comments and thanks for watching all the way from Austria. I actually have raced against the Volvo 65 out of Austria numerous times did I ever race against you? I was sailing Poland at the time..
@@ministryofsailing no - I just did several years styrian cup, several local regatta in Croatia like Kornaticup - one time with a 55 feet ocean racer, and two times round palagruza as skipper (a 4 days non stop race) ... but during the last 10 years and more "just" family sailing .-)
A word from the seakayaking community (I lived near Baltimore and have been out to Fastnet several times): 90% of sea kayaks are yellow or orange. Your personal waterproof VHF belongs fully-charged on a lanyard in your PFD (lifejacket) pocket. Carry a personal EPIRB. Keep at least two flares (smoke and handheld) plus a strobe on your person. Wear a dry (immersion) suit if going offshore, even in summer. Declare that Mayday when things go wrong, not when you can no longer cope.
Glad you enjoyed it. It took a lot to get it focused as you know. Thanks for your help and comments. Thanks for teaching me how to sail, I love you Dad!
A previous keel loss on a maxi racing yacht, happened back in the 80's. The Fastnet was being used as a shakedown prior to the Whitbread round the world race. Yacht's name was Drum.
Yes… it’s very important to fill out the data sheet with a float plan. Each PLB and EPIRB has an online registration form that can be updated for each event. If filled out, for instance using this race as an example with : Mary Jane will be sailing in the Fastnet Race located between England and Ireland on (dates) - the likelihood of a faster response is increased. Often, rescue assets try to verify as much information as possible before committing assets. I’m sorry to say that there are more false alarm alarms than actual emergencies. If the data section is not filled out, then usually the Rescue centers will call the emergency number first before they deploy an asset. When the data section is filled out with specific float plan, instructions emergency response will be much faster and most likely the emergency number will not be called.
@@ministryofsailing the small amount of racing I did, we had the boats constantly giving position reports... like three or four times an hour, depending on the conditions... I cannot imagine being stuck for many hours and no one knowing... in a race that is so tight with many boats and many monitoring channels, that's just baffling
I understand your opinions. But I do not know what is considered a racing attitude? If a person is an idiot in a boat, they are an idiot on a boat. Check out the playlist we have on Leadership and the four rules of team work. If a team or an individual understands those rules, the attitudes Win or Lose a race, are awesome. One of the gaps in safety and sailing training is how to be a leader. If you know an idiot on a boat, share the series we put together.
Even if the other yachts spotted Rambler, getting them off and aboard would have been hazardous, much better the lifeboat. It was Baltimore life boat the Hilda Jarret, a 47ft Tyne class boat. The RNLI are crewed by volunteers, coxswain was Kieran Cotter, and I think I saw Ronnie there, all great Seamen out of the original Baltimore.
You also must be an “old timer” to talk about.that. That is at least if you are talking about the 1979 fastnet. I learned to sail with my father as a kid. At the age of 16 I wa “selected” as a crew member for ship of a crazy, rich, but also drunk owner skipper. The fact was that they did not even ask if you could swim! Fact was that there was NO CREW AROUND that knew how to sail. I am still a fanatic sailer and very happy roles changed and safety matter more than ever!
@@johanreynders3731 I'll be honest... I don't remember the year it happened, 79 sounds about right... but yeah, a lot changed for the better since then. at least when it comes to safety equipment and the attitude towards it. today, the new problem I think the new problem is large bulk-carriers with small crews and a lack of self-awareness... too many big boats do not keep a lookout of any kind, and traffic around Dover is only getting more intense. that's certainly my biggest fear anywhere near the places where the Fastnet course is.
My humble, old, heavy displacement 29 foot gaff cutter with full keel and encapsulated ballast won't win any races against these guys, but I'm pretty confident I'll never lose my keel. :) (Different designs for different purposes, I know)
So many things went wrong here! I also don't understand Why so many modern sailors wear black clothing that is difficult to see, and they don't keep themselves tethered during bad weather. People really feel invincible 😮
The amount of reflective material on fowlies these days is actually impressive. The same with PFDs. It’s another good reason to take Safety At sea because when you’re in the water, you can see all of the reflective material that’s in the inside. The bladder is when they inflate. Please take a look at our tips and tricks and the pros playlist and you’ll see part one and part two of “you can sale at night” there are some very good shots with reflective material looks like at night. you may also want to take a look at our last episode of sailors deep brief 104 where we talk about risk habituation. I think that’s what you mean by feeling invincible.
@ministryofsailing ok, I understand better now. The human mind can quickly adapt to situations. Some sailors adjust rapidly to risky situations and then their brains don't actually register that extra precautions are needed.
The Fastnet doesn't go anywhere near the Irish Sea. The Irish Sea is basically bounded by the North Channel (roughly the Mull Of Kintyre to Northern Ireland) at its northern end and St George's Channel (between Pembrokeshire and County Wexford) at its southern end. The Fastnet is raced within the English Channel and the Celtic Sea. Rambler capsized in the latter.
Yes… That was totally incorrect and thanks for that. The Celtic Sea was intended. We will fix that. Please forgive us… I owe you a Guinness. Send me an email and I will Venmo you a beer.
I always wear a personal epirb, whistle. Dye + ,strobe on my flotation vest because its so easy to be flung off. Re capsize, these narrow fins snap off if in contact with something or from fatigue critical for survival is for lifeboat pod + EPIRB to be attached ASTERN, NOT MIDSHIPS, why this is not mandatory makes no sense. Case in point round Faralon island race near golden gate bridge SF. Ca . boat flipped and reason these guys survived is they were able to detach EPIRB from stern of turtled boat in 52° h20. Good job!
I originally had that information in the script… it was left on the edit floor. I guess in catastrophic failures, this would be important for the curious sailors. Argentinean designer, Juan Kouyoumdjian designed her and she was built by Cookson Boats. Thanks for watching.
How is it possible with all the rules & regulations to get a boat certified to go blue water ocean racing & then the keel falls off. Sounds like the boat was designed by an accountant.
I understand your point, but back then the materials used didn’t always again with the forces the boat produced. For example, during the Volvo Ocean race there was a lot of trouble in the beginning with the Volvo 70s. They spent the time to redesign the Volvo 65 and priced a much stronger vessel, which was more aligned with the forces and materials used. They were able to recover rambler 100 which went out to have a wonderful racing history and this year they actually want the Sydney to Hobart race renamed as law connect.
Yep. That could have been Useful. The important item is that boats are actually designed better. If you look at the maxis now, you can see that the sterns all have rafts that can be removed externally from the boat, while inverted. Email us and I’ll send you a photo. The Offshore Special Regulations also dictate contents of the grab bag. We go over that in Episode 102 the Baliwick sinking
Thanks for your comment. The World Sailing Offshore Special Regulations has addressed this issue. If you check out appendix L, you will see the inspection requirements that are now in place to help control the loss of keel issue. Inspections post incident and periodic intervals are now in place d7qh6ksdplczd.cloudfront.net/sailing/wp-content/uploads/2023/12/15183818/WS_Offshore_Special_Regulations_2024-2025_1.13.pdf
Realy? They did that? So they saild as the OLD sailboat did then? The record that stod for 100 years? No they DID NOT. They skiped al the bade sea. Modern tech. Not Old tech.
I was thinging about Carlie Barr and Fredrick Maxfield in 1903 and that record and the USA team that braged about beating the record butt they suuure did not do it the same way in a 227,7 f : )
Even in the case where dark clothing is used, please note that there is solace reflective, tape all over their hoods shoulders. Wrists and PFD’s also have reflective material all over them as well as you can see in some of the videos.
@@ministryofsailing No, that is not what I meant. I wrote design. It's a very shallow boat with very very bad seagoing characteristics. All safety has been sacrificed to gain speed.
And WTF. You quote George David saying that the success of the rescue was due to the Irish coastguard, the RNLI, and the professionalism of his crew. The y of course all did a great job. But let me remind you that if the occupants of Wave chieftain (crew and photographers) had not found the five missing crew in the water, George David would probably not be alive to make those comments.
Another great video. Even in an organized race with loads of safety gear, things still went very wrong. Training is key. Thanks
Thanks, Cuba. It means a lot coming from a seasoned Member of the Airforce. Let’s sail again soon!
I’m a retired commercial fisherman with AMSEA training and I found some of these safety tips invaluable. Thanks for sharing!
So glad you have watched this and I appreciate your reinforcement as a pro!!!!
Excellent video and good conclusions. It’s making me think of improving my safety technics on my little boat. thanks.
Thanks, this is the best kind of comment. Our goal is to point people to the standards…. We see many opinions out there.
Thanks for your videos and remind me and every sailor to always be prepared for the worst - greetings from Austria
Greetings from Annapolis I really appreciate your comments and thanks for watching all the way from Austria. I actually have raced against the Volvo 65 out of Austria numerous times did I ever race against you? I was sailing Poland at the time..
@@ministryofsailing no - I just did several years styrian cup, several local regatta in Croatia like Kornaticup - one time with a 55 feet ocean racer, and two times round palagruza as skipper (a 4 days non stop race) ... but during the last 10 years and more "just" family sailing .-)
A word from the seakayaking community (I lived near Baltimore and have been out to Fastnet several times): 90% of sea kayaks are yellow or orange. Your personal waterproof VHF belongs fully-charged on a lanyard in your PFD (lifejacket) pocket. Carry a personal EPIRB. Keep at least two flares (smoke and handheld) plus a strobe on your person. Wear a dry (immersion) suit if going offshore, even in summer. Declare that Mayday when things go wrong, not when you can no longer cope.
Thanks for that. We appreciate all comments for all persons who love the water. Please dont forget those first two rules. :)
A word of caution. Yellow disappears in the fog more quickly than red or orange.
Good video. Conclusion was well done ❤
Glad you enjoyed it. It took a lot to get it focused as you know. Thanks for your help and comments. Thanks for teaching me how to sail, I love you Dad!
Great eposide!
Thanks for watching.... we appreciate it. Wait for the next one - "Craziest Man Overboard EVER"
A previous keel loss on a maxi racing yacht, happened back in the 80's. The Fastnet was being used as a shakedown prior to the Whitbread round the world race. Yacht's name was Drum.
Take a look on our play list “cool stuff on sailing”. Simon Lebon of Duran Duran tells his story.
An hour and a half to receive Mayday in this major event seems unbelievable.
Yes… it’s very important to fill out the data sheet with a float plan. Each PLB and EPIRB has an online registration form that can be updated for each event. If filled out, for instance using this race as an example with : Mary Jane will be sailing in the Fastnet Race located between England and Ireland on (dates) - the likelihood of a faster response is increased. Often, rescue assets try to verify as much information as possible before committing assets. I’m sorry to say that there are more false alarm alarms than actual emergencies. If the data section is not filled out, then usually the Rescue centers will call the emergency number first before they deploy an asset. When the data section is filled out with specific float plan, instructions emergency response will be much faster and most likely the emergency number will not be called.
@@ministryofsailing the small amount of racing I did, we had the boats constantly giving position reports... like three or four times an hour, depending on the conditions... I cannot imagine being stuck for many hours and no one knowing... in a race that is so tight with many boats and many monitoring channels, that's just baffling
worse thing to happen to ocean going blue water sailboats is the racing design influence along with the racing attitude.
I understand your opinions. But I do not know what is considered a racing attitude? If a person is an idiot in a boat, they are an idiot on a boat. Check out the playlist we have on Leadership and the four rules of team work. If a team or an individual understands those rules, the attitudes Win or Lose a race, are awesome. One of the gaps in safety and sailing training is how to be a leader. If you know an idiot on a boat, share the series we put together.
Even if the other yachts spotted Rambler, getting them off and aboard would have been hazardous, much better the lifeboat. It was Baltimore life boat the Hilda Jarret, a 47ft Tyne class boat. The RNLI are crewed by volunteers, coxswain was Kieran Cotter, and I think I saw Ronnie there, all great Seamen out of the original Baltimore.
Thanks for your comment, Hero status!
well, it did go much better than the famous Fastnet Race incident event
Stans!!! Thanks for the comment. Hope to see you soon!
You also must be an “old timer” to talk about.that. That is at least if you are talking about the 1979 fastnet. I learned to sail with my father as a kid. At the age of 16 I wa “selected” as a crew member for ship of a crazy, rich, but also drunk owner skipper. The fact was that they did not even ask if you could swim! Fact was that there was NO CREW AROUND that knew how to sail. I am still a fanatic sailer and very happy roles changed and safety matter more than ever!
@@johanreynders3731 I'll be honest... I don't remember the year it happened, 79 sounds about right... but yeah, a lot changed for the better since then. at least when it comes to safety equipment and the attitude towards it.
today, the new problem I think the new problem is large bulk-carriers with small crews and a lack of self-awareness... too many big boats do not keep a lookout of any kind, and traffic around Dover is only getting more intense. that's certainly my biggest fear anywhere near the places where the Fastnet course is.
My humble, old, heavy displacement 29 foot gaff cutter with full keel and encapsulated ballast won't win any races against these guys, but I'm pretty confident I'll never lose my keel. :) (Different designs for different purposes, I know)
That’s right you can go almost anywhere in the world. The problem is you probably won’t have enough food, but you will get there.
The NZ Coastguard encourages booties to place reflective tape on the boats bottom. Wonderful for night searches
That’s also a great comment. Yes Solas tape is a great addition. Note our sailing at night episodes on the tips and tricks from the pros series.
I think you mean "boaties"
So many things went wrong here!
I also don't understand Why so many modern sailors wear black clothing that is difficult to see, and they don't keep themselves tethered during bad weather. People really feel invincible 😮
The amount of reflective material on fowlies these days is actually impressive. The same with PFDs. It’s another good reason to take Safety At sea because when you’re in the water, you can see all of the reflective material that’s in the inside. The bladder is when they inflate. Please take a look at our tips and tricks and the pros playlist and you’ll see part one and part two of “you can sale at night” there are some very good shots with reflective material looks like at night. you may also want to take a look at our last episode of sailors deep brief 104 where we talk about risk habituation. I think that’s what you mean by feeling invincible.
@ministryofsailing ok, I understand better now. The human mind can quickly adapt to situations. Some sailors adjust rapidly to risky situations and then their brains don't actually register that extra precautions are needed.
The Fastnet doesn't go anywhere near the Irish Sea. The Irish Sea is basically bounded by the North Channel (roughly the Mull Of Kintyre to Northern Ireland) at its northern end and St George's Channel (between Pembrokeshire and County Wexford) at its southern end. The Fastnet is raced within the English Channel and the Celtic Sea. Rambler capsized in the latter.
Yes… That was totally incorrect and thanks for that. The Celtic Sea was intended. We will fix that. Please forgive us… I owe you a Guinness. Send me an email and I will Venmo you a beer.
What happened the yacht?
She was recovered, the. After a few modifications and name changes became Law Connect and won the Sydney Hobart this year.
You are using my footage and still imageswithout seeking permission!!
Call me!
Please read the notes section.
Looks like I’ll be in Newport next month… collect your beer I owe you
I always wear a personal epirb, whistle. Dye + ,strobe on my flotation vest because its so easy to be flung off.
Re capsize, these narrow fins snap off if in contact with something or from fatigue critical for survival is for lifeboat pod + EPIRB to be attached ASTERN, NOT MIDSHIPS, why this is not mandatory makes no sense. Case in point round Faralon island race near golden gate bridge SF. Ca .
boat flipped and reason these guys survived is they were able to detach EPIRB from stern of turtled boat in 52° h20. Good job!
EPIRBs have a hydrostatic release option (case). Under one foot, they activate and release.
What 2 for $99 radios do you buy?
Defender online….
&72,00, a seventy two thousand pound boat? One hundred foot long? A lot more than that I would guess.
Thanks for your comment. Today, they are almost half.
Who designed the Rambler?
I originally had that information in the script… it was left on the edit floor. I guess in catastrophic failures, this would be important for the curious sailors. Argentinean designer, Juan Kouyoumdjian designed her and she was built by Cookson Boats. Thanks for watching.
How is it possible with all the rules & regulations to get a boat certified to go blue water ocean racing & then the keel falls off. Sounds like the boat was designed by an accountant.
I understand your point, but back then the materials used didn’t always again with the forces the boat produced. For example, during the Volvo Ocean race there was a lot of trouble in the beginning with the Volvo 70s. They spent the time to redesign the Volvo 65 and priced a much stronger vessel, which was more aligned with the forces and materials used. They were able to recover rambler 100 which went out to have a wonderful racing history and this year they actually want the Sydney to Hobart race renamed as law connect.
that is what happens when you build a yacht from frozen snot
Thanks for the comment!!! What do you sail?
Grab bag ?
Yep. That could have been Useful. The important item is that boats are actually designed better. If you look at the maxis now, you can see that the sterns all have rafts that can be removed externally from the boat, while inverted. Email us and I’ll send you a photo. The Offshore Special Regulations also dictate contents of the grab bag. We go over that in Episode 102 the Baliwick sinking
Murphy 's law shit happens 😮
Thanks for watching. Wait till the next one you’re gonna love it.
What about these stupid keels that are killing people?
Thanks for your comment. The World Sailing Offshore Special Regulations has addressed this issue. If you check out appendix L, you will see the inspection requirements that are now in place to help control the loss of keel issue. Inspections post incident and periodic intervals are now in place d7qh6ksdplczd.cloudfront.net/sailing/wp-content/uploads/2023/12/15183818/WS_Offshore_Special_Regulations_2024-2025_1.13.pdf
Realy? They did that? So they saild as the OLD sailboat did then? The record that stod for 100 years? No they DID NOT. They skiped al the bade sea. Modern tech. Not Old tech.
I am sorry. Rong sailingboat. Again i am sorr for the mistake : )
I was thinging about Carlie Barr and Fredrick Maxfield in 1903 and that record and the USA team that braged about beating the record butt they suuure did not do it the same way in a 227,7 f : )
No worries mate… thanks for watching
Nowadays, many ocean racers wear black clothes and safety gear. Who can rescue them? 😮😮😮😮😮😮Obviously, they don't care about their own lives😮
Even in the case where dark clothing is used, please note that there is solace reflective, tape all over their hoods shoulders. Wrists and PFD’s also have reflective material all over them as well as you can see in some of the videos.
What an absolutely idiotic design. Like designing a car with square wheels.
That boat now Law Connect, just won the Sydney Hobart. Canting keels have changed a lot since then.
@@ministryofsailing No, that is not what I meant. I wrote design. It's a very shallow boat with very very bad seagoing characteristics. All safety has been sacrificed to gain speed.
And WTF. You quote George David saying that the success of the rescue was due to the Irish coastguard, the RNLI, and the professionalism of his crew. The y of course all did a great job. But let me remind you that if the occupants of Wave chieftain (crew and photographers) had not found the five missing crew in the water, George David would probably not be alive to make those comments.
@@richardlangdon6526 thanks - the next episode comes out on next Tuesday, so I’ll see you next Tuesday.