Love your videos! Just sailed in the Salty Dawg Rally to Antigua (note: I am from Michigan) on a boat that I hadn't been on before. I did a rig check myself and found multiple issues and some issues were installed at the factory! 😮
@@ministryofsailing ...forgot to mention that we are based in Annapolis now. We are at Jabins. I see the MOS truck(s) around occassionally. Hope to shake your hand some day.
Great video. Blocks often have really high ratings, but if the line going to them is off by enough of an angle, a much lower load will begin to split the sheave, taking it apart almost like someone used a pry bar. This is true for most hardware and hand tools. Often things don't get fixed because the crew isn't sure where the reinforced areas are on the deck for attaching hardware. A friend doesn't have one of the reefs because the cheap block (no bolts) failed and there's no way to replace it, unless the deck can be drilled.... But exactly where? This is information that should be permanently attached inside the boat so a crew at sea can fix this problem without guessing. Or clearly indicated on the deck. (Maybe the grip texture stops and it's slightly raised.) I crewed on a boat where the lines were all 12mm because the spec'd 10mm Spectra wasn't available (more likely it just cost too much). The clutches weren't Spinlock and only rated 8mm to 10mm. So they'd jam and we'd have to take them apart. Of course we lost a screw. Then I slightly cross loaded it and the clutch tore apart. For want of a nail the shoe was lost. For want of a shoe the horse was lost.... What I noticed after gaining some sailing experience is how useless almost all Walk Through Videos are. I want to see the rigging and the hardware. Instead, "There's a lot of storage with these drawers...." Good tip about the helmet. I never used my cycling helmet while kayaking because 'everybody says,' it was the wrong helmet. I've been a framing carpenter which has helped my sailing. I've also watched a bunch of 4x4 winching videos (yikes!), so I'm always thinking, if this breaks which way is that going to fly? And then I stay to the side.
Your example of a bent padeye (on a smaller vessel) points up another problem. Algal growth on the deck surrounding that padeye is formed by long term water pooling. Stainless steel has poor performance underwater. Constant immersion in water will lead to crevice corrosion, accelerating the timeline of metal fatigue.
Yea, boat maintenance- even cleanliness makes a major difference in safety. For instance, one can easily tell that boat was not regularly cleaned. It is important to clean your own boat. While you clean it gives you the opportunity to inspect the finer details of a vessel for safety. You or your team becomes accustomed to what normal looks like - therefore not normal becomes very evident.
PS It was reported that a GoPro mount on the top of Micheal Schumcher’s skiing helmet may have helped to concentrate the impact forces when his head hit a rock, potentially contributing to the head injuries he sustained, hence it’s good policy to avoid helmet mounted GoPro’s imho
I would love to see the report on that if there is one. My personal opinion wearing those all the time while sailing is the plastic amounts tend to break first I’ve lost quite a few of them in the water during head bangs. The plastic breaks easy especially when cold. I appreciate your comment and I also appreciate you viewing. Thanks so much.
Soft pad eyes (dyneema) are probably the answer here. They basically self align to the load so you really can't put them in wrong, and pound for pound are stronger than stainless.
Scrutiny of fittings and scantlings is a constant. Half the winches I see are installed incorrectly, putting the gears at higher loading. Spreader angles are the second most fitments I see wrong, and padeyes might be a close tie. ZARAFFA had a few less that perfect padeye alignments. A mainsheet fitting that failed on a TP52 almost decapitated a friend, and he ended up with a broken jaw. I replaced the eyeball padeyedls on 2 JV TP52's when we discovered the 14mm scanning were under spec when the cut threads reduced the scantling to 11.5mm as the inside diameter of the cut threads compromised the 14mm scantling. The new U-Bolts were 18mm stock giving 14mm scantlings at the cut threads.
Pete, thanks so much for your comment. It really means a lot coming from such a professional such as yourself. Thanks again for sitting down with me with the KPI‘s for watch captions. Have a great day
@@kailaniandi possibly, the loads are really the same, the cyclic loads are the difference and always match your boat to the budget. I race on one boat, but we change the main sheet every other day in the in between days we flip it head to head.
@ yea, I know that,,, but please remember that I am from Wisconsin- give me a break Sailor. We are all on the boat, aren’t we? We from the north never hold the way the rest of America talks.
Materials aren’t made in good ole’ USA of days past or other European manufacturers of past, QCQA in china and other Asian countries( ((exempting Japan in this discussion-they taught USA a lot about QCQA))), They’re quality is better than each previous year, but still not that great! Metal are a big one!11
Thanks for watching early. Appreciate you taking time out of your day. Go to the Notes section and click on the actual investigation and you will see that this was not a metal fatigue or quality problem from the product more of an installation problem of not following the instructions.
welcome to the infinite growth glitch of end stage capitalism, they must continue to increase sale, or profits from sales in a saturated market meaning cutting costs while raising price; quality is the most effected single line item more and more. Also, why would they sale something that would last as they need sales, not reputation
You obviously aren’t new to the sailing world. There is no such place as “ Antigwa” please pronounce it normally. The tragically unfortunate crewman probably didn’t have time to feel a thing if that thing hit him in the head.
Yes, there is such place as "Antigua". Named by Christopher Columbus in 1493. Antigua, meaning ancient in Spanish, and pronounced "Antigwa" before it's pronunciation being anglicized . Although unorthodox now, technically this gentleman wasn't wrong and even you, knew what island he was talking about.
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Very clear review of the incident, now I'll be looking at pad eyes on every boat I board. Thank you.
Thanks for watching!
Wow. Excellent information, Thank you for the update. Fair winds to the lost.
Thanks for watching. Sail safe
Love your videos! Just sailed in the Salty Dawg Rally to Antigua (note: I am from Michigan) on a boat that I hadn't been on before. I did a rig check myself and found multiple issues and some issues were installed at the factory! 😮
Very cool! Thanks for your comment. Originally I started sailing in the Great Lakes so it’s great to see you out there in the water.
@@ministryofsailing ...forgot to mention that we are based in Annapolis now. We are at Jabins. I see the MOS truck(s) around occassionally. Hope to shake your hand some day.
Great video. Blocks often have really high ratings, but if the line going to them is off by enough of an angle, a much lower load will begin to split the sheave, taking it apart almost like someone used a pry bar. This is true for most hardware and hand tools.
Often things don't get fixed because the crew isn't sure where the reinforced areas are on the deck for attaching hardware. A friend doesn't have one of the reefs because the cheap block (no bolts) failed and there's no way to replace it, unless the deck can be drilled.... But exactly where? This is information that should be permanently attached inside the boat so a crew at sea can fix this problem without guessing. Or clearly indicated on the deck. (Maybe the grip texture stops and it's slightly raised.)
I crewed on a boat where the lines were all 12mm because the spec'd 10mm Spectra wasn't available (more likely it just cost too much). The clutches weren't Spinlock and only rated 8mm to 10mm. So they'd jam and we'd have to take them apart. Of course we lost a screw. Then I slightly cross loaded it and the clutch tore apart. For want of a nail the shoe was lost. For want of a shoe the horse was lost....
What I noticed after gaining some sailing experience is how useless almost all Walk Through Videos are. I want to see the rigging and the hardware. Instead, "There's a lot of storage with these drawers...." Good tip about the helmet. I never used my cycling helmet while kayaking because 'everybody says,' it was the wrong helmet.
I've been a framing carpenter which has helped my sailing. I've also watched a bunch of 4x4 winching videos (yikes!), so I'm always thinking, if this breaks which way is that going to fly? And then I stay to the side.
I'm glad you're thinking about safety and that the video has given you some useful insight!
This was really good; thanks!
Thanks so much!!! I am so happy you have subscribed…
Basic engineering. Good video.
Thanks for taking time to watch. I hope you like the video. Please stay tuned. We’re doing another one this week in honor of Veterans Day.
good tips and points!
Thanks for watching!
Your example of a bent padeye (on a smaller vessel) points up another problem. Algal growth on the deck surrounding that padeye is formed by long term water pooling. Stainless steel has poor performance underwater. Constant immersion in water will lead to crevice corrosion, accelerating the timeline of metal fatigue.
Yea, boat maintenance- even cleanliness makes a major difference in safety. For instance, one can easily tell that boat was not regularly cleaned. It is important to clean your own boat. While you clean it gives you the opportunity to inspect the finer details of a vessel for safety. You or your team becomes accustomed to what normal looks like - therefore not normal becomes very evident.
PS It was reported that a GoPro mount on the top of Micheal Schumcher’s skiing helmet may have helped to concentrate the impact forces when his head hit a rock, potentially contributing to the head injuries he sustained, hence it’s good policy to avoid helmet mounted GoPro’s imho
I would love to see the report on that if there is one. My personal opinion wearing those all the time while sailing is the plastic amounts tend to break first I’ve lost quite a few of them in the water during head bangs. The plastic breaks easy especially when cold. I appreciate your comment and I also appreciate you viewing. Thanks so much.
Soft pad eyes (dyneema) are probably the answer here. They basically self align to the load so you really can't put them in wrong, and pound for pound are stronger than stainless.
100%
And dog bones
Scrutiny of fittings and scantlings is a constant.
Half the winches I see are installed incorrectly, putting the gears at higher loading.
Spreader angles are the second most fitments I see wrong, and padeyes might be a close tie.
ZARAFFA had a few less that perfect padeye alignments.
A mainsheet fitting that failed on a TP52 almost decapitated a friend, and he ended up with a broken jaw.
I replaced the eyeball padeyedls on 2 JV TP52's when we discovered the 14mm scanning were under spec when the cut threads reduced the scantling to 11.5mm as the inside diameter of the cut threads compromised the 14mm scantling.
The new U-Bolts were 18mm stock giving 14mm scantlings at the cut threads.
Pete, thanks so much for your comment. It really means a lot coming from such a professional such as yourself. Thanks again for sitting down with me with the KPI‘s for watch captions. Have a great day
How old is your boat? When did you last replace the rigging? Did you replace all the rigging? The pad eyes? The chain plates?
Is this intended for us? Pulling the stick next month. New standing and running!
@ministryofsailing For everyone.
When was the last time you replaced the rudder post bearings? If you don't know, maybe it's time...
I no longer want a sailboat. Trawlers seam a lot safer
Rule 6- never give up
Racing is abusive to gear. Sailboats are very safe when not pushed beyond their capabilities.
@@kailaniandi possibly, the loads are really the same, the cyclic loads are the difference and always match your boat to the budget. I race on one boat, but we change the main sheet every other day in the in between days we flip it head to head.
Helmets, yeah. Don't ask how I know.
Thanks… appreciate watching
Don't stand in the bight, especially in the bisect of the loaded block.
Thanks for your comment. Let’s have lunch soon.
It's pronounced "An-Teee-Guh"
You are 100% correct that is the way the English having interpreted the Spanish name Antigua
@@ministryofsailing It's the way the islanders say it.
@ yea, I know that,,, but please remember that I am from Wisconsin- give me a break Sailor. We are all on the boat, aren’t we? We from the north never hold the way the rest of America talks.
@@ministryofsailing It's just that That particular island gets its name so very mutilated so often.
FFS! 😧
Well said!
Materials aren’t made in good ole’ USA of days past or other European manufacturers of past, QCQA in china and other Asian countries( ((exempting Japan in this discussion-they taught USA a lot about QCQA))), They’re quality is better than each previous year, but still not that great! Metal are a big one!11
Thanks for watching early. Appreciate you taking time out of your day. Go to the Notes section and click on the actual investigation and you will see that this was not a metal fatigue or quality problem from the product more of an installation problem of not following the instructions.
welcome to the infinite growth glitch of end stage capitalism, they must continue to increase sale, or profits from sales in a saturated market meaning cutting costs while raising price; quality is the most effected single line item more and more. Also, why would they sale something that would last as they need sales, not reputation
You obviously aren’t new to the sailing world. There is no such place as “ Antigwa” please pronounce it normally. The tragically unfortunate crewman probably didn’t have time to feel a thing if that thing hit him in the head.
I’m not due to the sailing world, but I am from Wisconsin so please forgive the Accent
god there’s one in every crowd. go away karen
@@jamesstrom6991 thanks James
Yes, there is such place as "Antigua". Named by Christopher Columbus in 1493. Antigua, meaning ancient in Spanish, and pronounced "Antigwa" before it's pronunciation being anglicized . Although unorthodox now, technically this gentleman wasn't wrong and even you, knew what island he was talking about.
@ imagine they had a guy from Wisconsin actually pronounced something correctly