Owned an 890 R for about 4 months. I absolutely loved the bike, but it turned me into a 66 yr old hooligan and I knew if I didn’t get rid of it I would either windup in jail or die. The most hypnotic, communicative, telepathic bike I’ve ever owned. Oh to be young again with a track close by!
My bike is a KTM Duke 390, TBH that's the most powerful bike I have ridden in my country, until i got the chance to ride the 22 MY 890 R a few weeks ago.physically it felt just like another Duke 390. The dimensions, seat height, everything felt kinda similar except that power, my Goooooooooood, it felt like I was having a fun heart attack, after just 1 kilometre of riding, I was soooooo happy, that i literally laid on the grass and cried of laughing...I have never felt anything that's addictive or ecstatic like it in my entire life...
In my 3rd summer with the 890 Duke R and people that have never ridden this bike will never know just how good it is in the twisties. It actually makes you a better rider with so much confidence taking corners. The suspension is adjustable so when he’s saying it’s firm, it can be adjusted to whatever you like. I adjusted mine to a more softer ride. I’m 6’2” and 215 lbs and adjusted it so I could enjoy 3 good hours of riding in the hills and mountains. It carves it up!
It probably is one one the best ‘riders’ bikes you can buy. It’s very direct and the best fun you can get on 2 wheels on the right roads. I’ve just had some issues with KTM reliability that spoils my opinion of ownership
@@dannygernaat9961 the usual gasket oil leaks and coolant leaks. Mine was plagued by them. The dash had to be replaced because of water damage and a couple of minor electrical faults
Made my day with your video this morning 🙂👍 It looks to be a bike that you tell yourself 'I'm going to be a good boy today' and 5 minutes later you're hooning around again !!
I remember commenting on your SuperDuke vid that this would probably be a better option for most of us mere mortals - but specially on the road. I still stand by that. Will be good to see the comparison content between this and the Street Triple RS. 👍👍👍
Had one a couple of times while my 1290 has been in for a service. Absolutely love this bike. If I could afford 2 bikes, I'd have one of these. So much fun
Crazy isn't it. Thinking about it it's probably because the heavy weights are making over 200 bhp these days and middle weights are ONLY making little over 100 bhp.
@@andrewcairnsmrkiplin But we had 1400cc bikes when 900cc bikes were still considered the upper echelon now we have 1000cc fours making over 200 bhp which is a mere 100cc over bikes generally considered middleweights.
Sold my Street Triple 765 for a Duke 890 (non-R) with all the track pack stuff enabled. No regrets at all. Such fun to ride, tonnes of pull in all gears. Easily one of the best bike I have ridden.
Been waiting on my favourite reviewer to get on this bike so long I've sold mine now😂 had it for 3 years and loved it Just got rid for more comfort had 0 reliability issues with the ktm Got a multistrasa1260s now had it for 1 week and the fuel level sensor packed in 😂 Great vid chops look fwd to the comparison. it was a tough job picking between the old street rs so this should be close 👌
I'm 6ft4 (194cm) and I probably look like a clown riding my Duke 390 but it won't stop me! I love how nimble and playful it is. I don't even feel like I am wrestling a big heavy motorcycle, it just flicks so easily.
Absolutely love my 890 R. I got a full arrow exhaust with the KTM akrapovic evo map from the dealer. Its now about 130hp to 160kg dry weight, its an animal 🏍️
Perfect platform for a ST. Cheap, stickers/decals can be peeled off...no clear coat. No fly screen. Great engine, chassis and suspension and brakes and tires.
You've captured the essence of the R there, Chops. It's even better with the Akra system and up-map. The menus are a pain, even with the up and down buttons configurable as shortcuts. Quality remains an issue too: my dash melted!
100% A test ride & review is one thing, long term Reliability another Got rid of my 2022SDRfor a 765. Endless issues & the build quality is the worst of any modern bike
I got the Triumph, i was considering the 890R briefly but ultimately decided I liked the sound and character of a triple engine better. Was debating if I had made the right choice until i got to the part with paywalled equipment and features present on the bike??? There went any chance of me ever trading mine in, forget that nonsense.
Hey 1st. Great bike, but to many reliability issues to put me off owning another. I pick the new MT09SP nearly as much fun and slightly more versatile. The Yamaha, it definitely has a better build quality and is more reliable.
I have heard this a few times and these two are top of my list- what makes the MT09 more versatile? Is it down to geometry, riding position, leg space???
@@Tall_Paul_On_Bikes the KTM 890 duke R in my opinion, is as about as much fun as you can have on a bike given the right roads. On start up, the screen say’s ready to race? The bike certainly inspires you to ride, let’s say spiritedly. However, it’s not always easy to control that keenness say, on a wet Monday morning on the commute to work. It will do it but it edges you to go and ride like a twat every minute.. The MT09, the gen 3 has that side to it but is also quite happy to poodle along in a high gear, low revs and amble about cruising. either bike is great. You won’t make a bad choice. My ownership experience on a KTM duke spoils my desire to own another. On fun factor, I’d give the Duke a 10 and the MT09SP 9.5 however, to own I’d give the Yamaha a 10 and the KTM a generous 8
@@Tall_Paul_On_Bikes Geometry is pretty similar but when you ride them back to back, the triple just feels more refined and grown up. If you want to hoon around all the time, the KTM is a great option. If you want something you can hoon around on, do some touring, do some commuting, nip to the shops. The Yam does it all. It's all things to all men (and women).😎
This bike is PHENOMENAL, albeit a one trick pony, that trick being the twisties. I used to have one & LOVED it. I live in Eastern Spain (Comunidad Valenciana) & we have some awesome, very technical curvy roads & this thing is 'la leche' (f***ing brilliant) in local parlance. True, you have to concentrate - it's faster than you (at least me) are, but wow. I suggest you blag a long termer & get yourself over here to find out what it can really do on the road - endless tight, well-surfaced, connected technical twisties, where you can push the suspension, lean on the brakes & get the most out of the engine grunt on exits, without having to worry about police or traffic. I now have a BMW RS, to do everything, including long distance traveling (& I love it), but if I could have more bikes, this would still be in my stable. Great vid as always, looking forward to the comparison.
I remember when this bike was about to come out and the sales guy at my job showed up to work my first day on this bike (before it was on the showroom floor) he asked me if I wanted to ride it I said “hell yea!” It was very very light and powerful lol good times! But I’m aiming for 08-11 Honda Fireblade lol
I’m pretty sure what bike you’d go for in the comparison test. I’m hoping that Greg would favor the Street as I’ve already ordered one lol. Seriously though, I’m pretty convinced that the street is the more allrounder machine which can do slow when called for and that is what I’m after. A machine that delivers on all moods.
890R is a good cruiser. The twin makes it relaxed. I think between Street and Duke it all about which seating position and engine character you prefer.
@@robertandersson2523 I’m coming from an MT09SP which is quite upright and I’ve had mine converted to flat bars so it was all over the front like the KTM. In all honesty I’ve never tried the KTM and I’m sure it’s great as all reviewers say how brilliant handling it’s got. My issue with KTM is reliability. Loads of friends had issues especially with the electronics and I didn’t want that.
Ive had my 890R for 2 years. Its an absolute master piece. Ive ridden it long distance and ridden it hard and its never let me down. Ive owned alot of bikes in over 25 years of riding and this is the most fun on 2 wheels ive ever had. All it needs is a track pack and exhaust and it unleashes the animal within. Ive ridden and left for dead much bigger bikes in the twisties. It loves the back wheel. The only downside is the cup2 mileage. They are like chewing gum. Mental grip but dont exspect more then 2k miles. Maddest thing is it still returns 20mpg more then my Mt09. Ive got 67mpg on average and never seen below 55mpg even riden hard. Magnificent machine. Ps 0-80mph a Superduke 1290 cant get away. 50-100mph its a different story. In the twisties my pal struggles to keep up on a 1290. Especiallly into and out of corners. The tech pack really makes a difference.
Love my 890R. Have the WP Apex Pro 7500 cartridges, performance seat, Akra full exhaust and other goodies. Compared to the triumph 765 (had that too) the 890 is more comfortable for street duty. You can also move the handle bar mounting location forward with the provided holes for a little more room.
Great vid & review. It's definitely a focused beast & I think calling it a mini Super Duke is about right. Very much looking forward to the comparison with the ST RS & Greg. Hopefully not too long to wait!
Its funny how maybe people look down nowadays on the parallel twin motor,but i think they are iconic and the triump bonnie made and make one of the best looking motors of all time 😊
Ive had a 390 for 3 years but I'm ready for a bigger steed. I'm set on a 765r over an 890. Ive had a couple issues with the 390, such as the very common dash fogging. Had it replaced 3x, and it never helped. I've had it serviced twice by KTM, and both times, it comes back having false gas guage readings. After about a week, it fixes itself but its been annoying having range anxiety while on it. Small issues but scared to spend a bunch on another KTM. I hate that because the 390 has been so much fun to learn with. But the 765r is calling my name.
I just started on a 390 this year, been going very nice for the 2000 miles I've done on it. Did you ever do a track day on it? I want to do those next year. I'm already dreaming about the follow up and I'm looking more towards rs660, Trident or CB650R.
The handlebar has another more forward mounting point and the angle is adjustable as well. I'm 6'5 (196cm) and it isn't too small for me. And if you want even more agressive riding position just add Woodcraft clip ons. And the buttons are programmable. You can set up short cuts and favorites. On mine the up button opens the mode selection directly (Track, sport, street rain.) Down button opens up trip 1. You can set those up for whatever you like. Except when track mode is selected. Then the up & down buttons adjust the traction control levels.
as someone who's short (167cm, 5'6) I'm just curious how does it feel for a ~2M person to ride a bike, supersports, naked sports, big adventure bikes and such, I could ride almost any type of bikes, even some big ones like the TRK502x (not in bumper to bumper traffic or hills though), but to me, all bikes feel comfortable, except for supersports (only for my back though)
@@sadeqalbana Depends a lot on the bike. The new Fireblade R-RR-RRR-RRRRRr is impossible for me. Pegs are stupid high. Knee angle is impossible. Aprilla RSV 4 is too cramped as well. The older liter bikes vere ok. I have had a KTM RC8 which was really roomy for a sports bike. 2009 Fireblade was comfortable. 2005 Kawa Ninja 10 wasn't bad ergonomicly but it was a bike that otherwise tries to actively kill you. 😁 GSX-R line of sports bikes are really comfortable. The new R1 not comfortable at all. Most naked bikes are just fine. I have riden the Street Triple, Speed Triple, Monster, MT-09, MT-10, Superdukes, and no issues. Big Supermotos are a lot of fun. Hypermotards, SMC-R 690... Few of my friends could not even consider the Hyper SP because they can't reach the ground. For me it is perfect. But I do like my Duke 890R more than the Hyper. A lot of people over estimate the effects of wind or no fairings. Even thou I'm tall I can cruise in comfort on a naked bike at 160 km (100mph) for hours. This summer I rode from Travemünde North Germany to Neukirhen Austria in one go overnight. 1070 km in 11 hours. On the Duke 890R. No screen. Just wear good gear that doesn't flap around at all and have a good helmet and good ear plugs and it's not a big deal. Only above 170kmh it gets to me on longer high way stints and at those speeds a screen and fairings start to become essential.
I test rode one of these a few days ago. So light and powerful, I was really surprised. It felt like a dirt bike between your legs. Brakes are unreal. It felt like a toy big plastic toy though with super cheap feeling switchgear. I want to ride the 1290 Evo next for my bad back
Since the first day I have had issues with this bike. After taking my girlfriend for a ride the day after I bought it, I kept having this extreme creaking sound, likely from the rear suspension or swing arm. Then the front brakes started sounding the same, both issues the dealership told me is “normal”. I haven’t been able to ride it for almost a year now because I’m waiting on parts. Trust me, when you’re riding it (and it isn’t making noises that it isn’t supposed to) it’s incredible, but I would warn anyone against owning a KTM because the build quality and reliability is horrible.
The handlebar mounts can be spun around and moved to the forward mount holes, made a big difference for me @ 6'4". Also can set favourites on up and down buttons to jump straight to ride mode and heated grips
What a bike the 890R is. My 2018 OG Duke 790 is hooli enough and handles great but lacks the Brembo brakes & WP sus of the 890R. Still love my 790. Think the 890R would put me in prison.
Chopsy I rode the 765 rs last week and was very disappointed. I didn't like the 'jacked up' rear end and the feeling off being very tilted forward. Now the 890r, quite simply the best bike I have ever ridden. Don't agree with your comment of feeling small. I'm 6'2 and a little lighter than you but let's face it most people are 😂 Also on the 765 I couldn't read a bloody thing on the TFT 🧐
Absolute weapon. I just looked at the configurator, and added LOTS of orange anodized components. I wouldn't be able to resist doing that if I was in the market for one of these! :D
Nothing wrong with the bike or KTMs bikes as a concept. The problem is KTM as a company. The lack off quality and numerous problems pared with KTMs approach to fight their customers on warranty claims. Also their stupid policy to build in tech that you have to unlock at a additional fee is just retarded. One more problems is that the inshurence companies wants a whole lot off more money to inshure these bikes. The superduke in Sweden is 3x the price off a Tuono V4 or a MT10.
As much as I like the Idea of a KTM I'd never own one after my son had so many issues and crap customer service with his. As soon as the warranty ran out he got rid.
I have the 390 Duke and this is my dream bike to move up to although I am a little bit apprehensive about the 3X jump in power! I assume I can put it in rain mode or something to make it friendly to ride until I get used to it?
I've had mine 2 years, longest I've ever kept a bike...and I've had the 1290GT, that's says it all really. Granted I had it remapped to 134bhp after 2 months 😂
Said it before I tried this the 765rs and the 2023 mt09 sp Yamaha is in my garage now due to build quality electrical sweep and how fun it is easily as quick as this in a straight line triumph may have the edge on both at the top but feels flatter elsewhere I don’t regret buying the yam at all though best street bike I’ve owned makes the 1000s seem pointless on uk roads another thing to note is triumph ridiculous service prices and ktm’s lack of selling you a top end model with any gadgets on it the yam comes with everything that’s needed other than grips that were £180 makes the choice easier
@@LambChopRides im 6-2 15 and a half stone and it’s fairly comfortable for 2-3 hours people mainly moan about the brakes because they aren’t on par with triumph or Ktm but they mainly go off pro reviews when they can’t ride the bike to the limits anyway just echo what pros say they’re more than enough in the real world I’ve never reached their limits the engine handling and electronics are quality in my opinion though
Im on a moto2 st and I can't imagine anything else that handles like this triumph , this ktm must be amazing but I just couldn't get on with the looks of the ktm!, i also think there's no comparison with the build quality so I'll stick with my street triple moto 2 thanks ❤
the frame and triple clamp rigidity tuning is on another level cimpared to the street triple~ TLDR street triple frame is... for a lack of a better term, not in sync with the suspension
@trevorbrowneguitar6311 not as simple as that at all. I have a 1290 sdr gen3 and it's pretty damn handy in the corners and on straights, but I'd love to try a 890r to see if it would be just as much fun or maybe better in some ways 🤷♂️
@trevorbrowneguitar6311 I don't think a demo day is long enough to get used to the 1290 and how to ride it and push it . Chops rides the same Roads I do, so knows what's there and there's certainly not much carving going on I can tell you that
It was about time... I've not even watched the video yet, but I know I'm going to like the fact that you're going to like it. Now, I can't wait for you to try the new SMT. I'm really curious to know what you think about it.
I ride on and off the highway so the power would be good for me. I liked the ride of the Indian FTR MUCH better but it was heavier. Ride was much much smoother. Engine was nice too with less throttle snatch.
To whom it may concern, which is ahh, no one but myself: I really want a new 890 Duke R, but I come from decades of Honda CBR reliability, and I’ve so much caustic shit about KTM unreliability. That’s my quandary.
Chopsy if you fancy riding a ktm 890R with a full exhaust system and a tune making 120bhp at the wheel/ maybe 135bhp at the crank depending on drive train loss plus I've stripped 9kgs off the weight I'm happy to meet..? I've met you twice before at NEC live but obviously you would remember me but would be cool for you to see the potential of the 890R
1050 sport at the tuners next to 890R, twice the size! I thought it was the 790. I will never buy a bike I have to pay for add-ons. plus KTM has really bad build quality. oil leaks, wiring looms, and wet switches. good video :).
ahaha everything you said has been my exact experience .. f..k I love this bike .. only sat on one two weeks ago and instantly knew it was going to be good .. but had no idea just how good that really is.
It has shit QS for anybody wondering. Also my 890 R (2022) which is 100% same as this one 2023, came with oil leak and coolant leak even before riding it. The QS gives me frequent false neutrals even after visiting the dealer to fix it and the QS feels choppy and unpleasant. Also you have to pay additionally to activate normal functions like the QS and track modes such as the disabling ABS and TC or changing their levels... lol it's a joke
Just got one and totally agree on qs, its terrible, i get same mis-shifts, false neutral, its pretty clunky, the wp suspension feels pretty harsh, not plush at all but maybe i just need that dialled in 🤷🏻 love the bikes handling tho, its great fun and nice power
@@johnadams3038 yep rsv4 qs like butter, it feels super premium.. the 660 models have cheaper parts tho and i did suffer occasional false neutrals on my old rs660
Looks a Grunt party, in the twisty bits a bit of magic . There seems to be a bit of disagreement about quality of finishing and reliability, which if true would be disappointing as the bike looks great . I’m looking forward to the comparison ride with Greg , all will be revealed. A great video Chops shows road class of this bike .
I'd like another bike be one of those with the full titinium exhaust system,, what a bike 😮 brilliant was looking forward to this review ☘️☘️☘️☘️☘️☘️☘️ from northern Ireland
I think I'm buying this as a second bike. I have to drive out to Shitfuck, Kansas to buy one which sucks. No offense to the fine people of Shitfuck; its a lovely town I'm sure.
After your Ducati Monster SP video I have been meaning to book a demo ride on one of them, however, you sound so much more exhilarated riding this KTM.....I need to try one! What puts me off is lack of Dealer network (near me) and reliability hearsay..
Loved my 21 reg SDR, didn't like the radiator issues and KTM UK trying to wriggle out of the warranty claim by saying I'd never had it serviced. Didn't want to live with it after that.
Owned an 890 R for about 4 months. I absolutely loved the bike, but it turned me into a 66 yr old hooligan and I knew if I didn’t get rid of it I would either windup in jail or die. The most hypnotic, communicative, telepathic bike I’ve ever owned. Oh to be young again with a track close by!
I'm a 56 year old hooligan and keep mine 😁
I’m 75 and have owned mine for 2 years. Have been riding since the 60’s and this is the best ever and the last bike for me.
Cp3 engine go more better!
My bike is a KTM Duke 390, TBH that's the most powerful bike I have ridden in my country, until i got the chance to ride the 22 MY 890 R a few weeks ago.physically it felt just like another Duke 390. The dimensions, seat height, everything felt kinda similar except that power, my Goooooooooood, it felt like I was having a fun heart attack, after just 1 kilometre of riding, I was soooooo happy, that i literally laid on the grass and cried of laughing...I have never felt anything that's addictive or ecstatic like it in my entire life...
In my 3rd summer with the 890 Duke R and people that have never ridden this bike will never know just how good it is in the twisties. It actually makes you a better rider with so much confidence taking corners. The suspension is adjustable so when he’s saying it’s firm, it can be adjusted to whatever you like. I adjusted mine to a more softer ride. I’m 6’2” and 215 lbs and adjusted it so I could enjoy 3 good hours of riding in the hills and mountains. It carves it up!
It probably is one one the best ‘riders’ bikes you can buy. It’s very direct and the best fun you can get on 2 wheels on the right roads. I’ve just had some issues with KTM reliability that spoils my opinion of ownership
I’d love the duke r but after owning 2 ktms over a 10 ten period they both spent more time broken than I did riding them
@@Steve-motorcycles like what? Because mine is just great, while my Fireblade was 1 problem machine
@@dannygernaat9961 the usual gasket oil leaks and coolant leaks. Mine was plagued by them. The dash had to be replaced because of water damage and a couple of minor electrical faults
@@Steve-motorcycles still nothing compared to my Fireblade, that bike cost me over 4 grand to fix it
You convinced me to buy a 2023 with the tech pack and cruise control. The bike is the best I have ever owned!
Made my day with your video this morning 🙂👍 It looks to be a bike that you tell yourself 'I'm going to be a good boy today' and 5 minutes later you're hooning around again !!
I remember commenting on your SuperDuke vid that this would probably be a better option for most of us mere mortals - but specially on the road. I still stand by that. Will be good to see the comparison content between this and the Street Triple RS. 👍👍👍
Had one a couple of times while my 1290 has been in for a service. Absolutely love this bike. If I could afford 2 bikes, I'd have one of these. So much fun
Strange days to me where we call a 890 a middle weight..
A middle weight used to be 500 - 750 😳
Crazy isn't it. Thinking about it it's probably because the heavy weights are making over 200 bhp these days and middle weights are ONLY making little over 100 bhp.
maybe cause there's the 1290 too i dunno
@@andrewcairnsmrkiplin But we had 1400cc bikes when 900cc bikes were still considered the upper echelon now we have 1000cc fours making over 200 bhp which is a mere 100cc over bikes generally considered middleweights.
MIddleweight should really be tied to the literal weight of the bike imo
I remember 750 used to be entry level big bike territory and making 70 to 80 bhp. Lovely bike but I would dwarf it.
Chopsy, that camera mount view. Tyre lean, fork compression & first person riding view into the corners... you nailed it.
Thanks 👍
It's actually a 285° firing order, to mimic ktm's 75° v-twin (rather than the usual 90° angle).
Yep exactly 👍
Wow interesting.
The reigning champ. KTM hit the jackpot back in 2020/2021 WITH THE 890 and to this day, it still amazes bike fans the world over.
had mine a year now, absolutely superb and I'm an old boy now, but the best bike I've ever ridden
“Its almost litre bike grunt”… its almost a litre bike 😂
Fair point, well made 😂
Middleweight has now somehow become almost 900cc. Not sure what you'd call the 650s now. Lower-middleweight? Lol
But not the power...it's just a 120 BHP machine, while modern day liter class bikes are pushing 200+ horses.
@@lordgibbnessthese are low reving bikes. They're not as fast as a proper 600cc i4 super sport.
@@69nitesmore torque tho
Sold my Street Triple 765 for a Duke 890 (non-R) with all the track pack stuff enabled. No regrets at all.
Such fun to ride, tonnes of pull in all gears. Easily one of the best bike I have ridden.
Same
Been waiting on my favourite reviewer to get on this bike so long I've sold mine now😂 had it for 3 years and loved it Just got rid for more comfort had 0 reliability issues with the ktm
Got a multistrasa1260s now had it for 1 week and the fuel level sensor packed in 😂
Great vid chops look fwd to the comparison. it was a tough job picking between the old street rs so this should be close 👌
Great review Chopsy. Lightweight and 120hp, what’s not to like.
The comparison review looks a complete hoot. Can’t wait 👍👍
I'm 6ft4 (194cm) and I probably look like a clown riding my Duke 390 but it won't stop me! I love how nimble and playful it is. I don't even feel like I am wrestling a big heavy motorcycle, it just flicks so easily.
Absolutely love my 890 R. I got a full arrow exhaust with the KTM akrapovic evo map from the dealer. Its now about 130hp to 160kg dry weight, its an animal 🏍️
Very nice!
Did you notice a clear diffrence in power after changing the exhaust and the acra map?:)
Scandimc, what say you about 1504's question, and did the fuelling remain decent?
Perfect platform for a ST. Cheap, stickers/decals can be peeled off...no clear coat. No fly screen. Great engine, chassis and suspension and brakes and tires.
It's a riders bike❤ I have tested other bikes,including the SD1290, but after 30000 kms on my 890R I stick to the pumkin.
You've captured the essence of the R there, Chops. It's even better with the Akra system and up-map. The menus are a pain, even with the up and down buttons configurable as shortcuts. Quality remains an issue too: my dash melted!
100% A test ride & review is one thing, long term Reliability another Got rid of my 2022SDRfor a 765. Endless issues & the build quality is the worst of any modern bike
I got the Triumph, i was considering the 890R briefly but ultimately decided I liked the sound and character of a triple engine better. Was debating if I had made the right choice until i got to the part with paywalled equipment and features present on the bike??? There went any chance of me ever trading mine in, forget that nonsense.
The comparison video looks like a real blast 👍
Great review again Chops 😊👍
Imagine how fun the upcoming 990 Duke R would be...😍😍😍😍😍
Hey 1st. Great bike, but to many reliability issues to put me off owning another. I pick the new MT09SP nearly as much fun and slightly more versatile. The Yamaha, it definitely has a better build quality and is more reliable.
That is exactly what I did. I bought an ex demo 2022 MT09-SP.
Excellent choice. Its a shame ktm has sold out to China 🇨🇳
I have heard this a few times and these two are top of my list- what makes the MT09 more versatile? Is it down to geometry, riding position, leg space???
@@Tall_Paul_On_Bikes the KTM 890 duke R in my opinion, is as about as much fun as you can have on a bike given the right roads. On start up, the screen say’s ready to race? The bike certainly inspires you to ride, let’s say spiritedly. However, it’s not always easy to control that keenness say, on a wet Monday morning on the commute to work. It will do it but it edges you to go and ride like a twat every minute.. The MT09, the gen 3 has that side to it but is also quite happy to poodle along in a high gear, low revs and amble about cruising. either bike is great. You won’t make a bad choice. My ownership experience on a KTM duke spoils my desire to own another. On fun factor, I’d give the Duke a 10 and the MT09SP 9.5 however, to own I’d give the Yamaha a 10 and the KTM a generous 8
@@Tall_Paul_On_Bikes Geometry is pretty similar but when you ride them back to back, the triple just feels more refined and grown up. If you want to hoon around all the time, the KTM is a great option. If you want something you can hoon around on, do some touring, do some commuting, nip to the shops. The Yam does it all. It's all things to all men (and women).😎
This bike is PHENOMENAL, albeit a one trick pony, that trick being the twisties. I used to have one & LOVED it. I live in Eastern Spain (Comunidad Valenciana) & we have some awesome, very technical curvy roads & this thing is 'la leche' (f***ing brilliant) in local parlance. True, you have to concentrate - it's faster than you (at least me) are, but wow. I suggest you blag a long termer & get yourself over here to find out what it can really do on the road - endless tight, well-surfaced, connected technical twisties, where you can push the suspension, lean on the brakes & get the most out of the engine grunt on exits, without having to worry about police or traffic. I now have a BMW RS, to do everything, including long distance traveling (& I love it), but if I could have more bikes, this would still be in my stable. Great vid as always, looking forward to the comparison.
I remember when this bike was about to come out and the sales guy at my job showed up to work my first day on this bike (before it was on the showroom floor) he asked me if I wanted to ride it I said “hell yea!” It was very very light and powerful lol good times! But I’m aiming for 08-11 Honda Fireblade lol
3 years for this review, wish krm didn't charge for electronics, still love that bike, wouldn't buy one outta principle. 😑, Great vid chops.
I’m pretty sure what bike you’d go for in the comparison test. I’m hoping that Greg would favor the Street as I’ve already ordered one lol. Seriously though, I’m pretty convinced that the street is the more allrounder machine which can do slow when called for and that is what I’m after. A machine that delivers on all moods.
Also the up and down quick shifter that isn't behind a paywall
890R is a good cruiser. The twin makes it relaxed. I think between Street and Duke it all about which seating position and engine character you prefer.
@@robertandersson2523 I’m coming from an MT09SP which is quite upright and I’ve had mine converted to flat bars so it was all over the front like the KTM. In all honesty I’ve never tried the KTM and I’m sure it’s great as all reviewers say how brilliant handling it’s got. My issue with KTM is reliability. Loads of friends had issues especially with the electronics and I didn’t want that.
@@stephenspiteri_zunkus absolutely KTM has their reability problems. I would rather take a MT09 but I prefer the twin and the handling of the pumpkin.
It is a great bike , after 1 year and 10.000Km still love it , it is amazing track weapon ..
Great video as usual. Had mine 3 yrs now. Best handling bike I've ever owned.
Ive had my 890R for 2 years. Its an absolute master piece. Ive ridden it long distance and ridden it hard and its never let me down. Ive owned alot of bikes in over 25 years of riding and this is the most fun on 2 wheels ive ever had. All it needs is a track pack and exhaust and it unleashes the animal within. Ive ridden and left for dead much bigger bikes in the twisties. It loves the back wheel. The only downside is the cup2 mileage. They are like chewing gum. Mental grip but dont exspect more then 2k miles. Maddest thing is it still returns 20mpg more then my Mt09. Ive got 67mpg on average and never seen below 55mpg even riden hard. Magnificent machine. Ps 0-80mph a Superduke 1290 cant get away. 50-100mph its a different story. In the twisties my pal struggles to keep up on a 1290. Especiallly into and out of corners. The tech pack really makes a difference.
Love my 890R. Have the WP Apex Pro 7500 cartridges, performance seat, Akra full exhaust and other goodies. Compared to the triumph 765 (had that too) the 890 is more comfortable for street duty. You can also move the handle bar mounting location forward with the provided holes for a little more room.
Post some photos
Great vid & review. It's definitely a focused beast & I think calling it a mini Super Duke is about right. Very much looking forward to the comparison with the ST RS & Greg. Hopefully not too long to wait!
Its funny how maybe people look down nowadays on the parallel twin motor,but i think they are iconic and the triump bonnie made and make one of the best looking motors of all time 😊
Ive had a 390 for 3 years but I'm ready for a bigger steed. I'm set on a 765r over an 890. Ive had a couple issues with the 390, such as the very common dash fogging. Had it replaced 3x, and it never helped. I've had it serviced twice by KTM, and both times, it comes back having false gas guage readings. After about a week, it fixes itself but its been annoying having range anxiety while on it. Small issues but scared to spend a bunch on another KTM. I hate that because the 390 has been so much fun to learn with. But the 765r is calling my name.
I just started on a 390 this year, been going very nice for the 2000 miles I've done on it. Did you ever do a track day on it? I want to do those next year.
I'm already dreaming about the follow up and I'm looking more towards rs660, Trident or CB650R.
@_Makanko_ No track days but I'm planning to take an advanced course before I trade up.
The handlebar has another more forward mounting point and the angle is adjustable as well.
I'm 6'5 (196cm) and it isn't too small for me.
And if you want even more agressive riding position just add Woodcraft clip ons.
And the buttons are programmable.
You can set up short cuts and favorites.
On mine the up button opens the mode selection directly (Track, sport, street rain.)
Down button opens up trip 1.
You can set those up for whatever you like.
Except when track mode is selected. Then the up & down buttons adjust the traction control levels.
as someone who's short (167cm, 5'6) I'm just curious how does it feel for a ~2M person to ride a bike, supersports, naked sports, big adventure bikes and such,
I could ride almost any type of bikes, even some big ones like the TRK502x (not in bumper to bumper traffic or hills though), but to me, all bikes feel comfortable, except for supersports (only for my back though)
@@sadeqalbana Depends a lot on the bike.
The new Fireblade R-RR-RRR-RRRRRr is impossible for me.
Pegs are stupid high.
Knee angle is impossible.
Aprilla RSV 4 is too cramped as well.
The older liter bikes vere ok.
I have had a KTM RC8 which was really roomy for a sports bike. 2009 Fireblade was comfortable. 2005 Kawa Ninja 10 wasn't bad ergonomicly but it was a bike that otherwise tries to actively kill you. 😁
GSX-R line of sports bikes are really comfortable.
The new R1 not comfortable at all.
Most naked bikes are just fine.
I have riden the Street Triple, Speed Triple, Monster, MT-09, MT-10, Superdukes, and no issues.
Big Supermotos are a lot of fun.
Hypermotards, SMC-R 690...
Few of my friends could not even consider the Hyper SP because they can't reach the ground. For me it is perfect.
But I do like my Duke 890R more than the Hyper.
A lot of people over estimate the effects of wind or no fairings.
Even thou I'm tall I can cruise in comfort on a naked bike at 160 km (100mph) for hours.
This summer I rode from Travemünde North Germany to Neukirhen Austria in one go overnight. 1070 km in 11 hours. On the Duke 890R.
No screen.
Just wear good gear that doesn't flap around at all and have a good helmet and good ear plugs and it's not a big deal.
Only above 170kmh it gets to me on longer high way stints and at those speeds a screen and fairings start to become essential.
YES, a good way to round off the day, ice cream for dessert and new Lambchop review👍
I test rode one of these a few days ago. So light and powerful, I was really surprised. It felt like a dirt bike between your legs. Brakes are unreal. It felt like a toy big plastic toy though with super cheap feeling switchgear. I want to ride the 1290 Evo next for my bad back
Since the first day I have had issues with this bike. After taking my girlfriend for a ride the day after I bought it, I kept having this extreme creaking sound, likely from the rear suspension or swing arm. Then the front brakes started sounding the same, both issues the dealership told me is “normal”.
I haven’t been able to ride it for almost a year now because I’m waiting on parts. Trust me, when you’re riding it (and it isn’t making noises that it isn’t supposed to) it’s incredible, but I would warn anyone against owning a KTM because the build quality and reliability is horrible.
I have a ktm 890r and I can't say enough good about it.
Almost the same weight as a 690 smc r, and double the horsepower 😳 i need to get my hands... well... my arse on one of these.
The handlebar mounts can be spun around and moved to the forward mount holes, made a big difference for me @ 6'4". Also can set favourites on up and down buttons to jump straight to ride mode and heated grips
Excellent, real world review again, mate. Unlike most reviewers, you concentrate on the important bits. Ta.
Thanks 👍
I love the blue and orange, it’s just fun to look at.
I've had my SMT nearly a week now shame you not closer, you could have had a blurt on mine. I'm loving it
O the carrot dangling ? Can't wait ATB Wayne.............
For the middleweight comparasing video you should add the best middleweight to the mix the mt09 sp!
What a bike the 890R is.
My 2018 OG Duke 790 is hooli enough and handles great but lacks the Brembo brakes & WP sus of the 890R.
Still love my 790.
Think the 890R would put me in prison.
Sounds amazing with an exhaust
Chopsy I rode the 765 rs last week and was very disappointed.
I didn't like the 'jacked up' rear end and the feeling off being very tilted forward.
Now the 890r, quite simply the best bike I have ever ridden.
Don't agree with your comment of feeling small.
I'm 6'2 and a little lighter than you but let's face it most people are 😂
Also on the 765 I couldn't read a bloody thing on the TFT 🧐
Absolute weapon. I just looked at the configurator, and added LOTS of orange anodized components. I wouldn't be able to resist doing that if I was in the market for one of these! :D
Nothing wrong with the bike or KTMs bikes as a concept. The problem is KTM as a company. The lack off quality and numerous problems pared with KTMs approach to fight their customers on warranty claims. Also their stupid policy to build in tech that you have to unlock at a additional fee is just retarded. One more problems is that the inshurence companies wants a whole lot off more money to inshure these bikes. The superduke in Sweden is 3x the price off a Tuono V4 or a MT10.
As much as I like the Idea of a KTM I'd never own one after my son had so many issues and crap customer service with his.
As soon as the warranty ran out he got rid.
100% Got rid of my 2022 SDR. Build quality & attention to detail not there. Endless issues & MTC failure limp mode 8 times in 3000KM
Was that the standard exhaust? It sounds great, whether that's engine/ induction noise or the exhaust.
Great looking bike, I'm on my second 1290 Super Duke R, great review Chops. 🇬🇧👍👍👍👍
That’s a great bike I just bought one but have not ridin it yet because it’s to cold but I can’t wait for summer !
Id love to see you do a direct comparison to the ducati monster sp
I have the 390 Duke and this is my dream bike to move up to although I am a little bit apprehensive about the 3X jump in power! I assume I can put it in rain mode or something to make it friendly to ride until I get used to it?
KTM should do 890 super enduro r🤞
This bike is 1 of the most fun to ride, I just wish the build quality would be better!! I don’t like motorcycles that parts vibrate off,
I don't think you look to big on the bike. Looks good! Buy one! He he!
Clearly a great bike, although I'm totally biased towards the Street triple engine and riding position.
Cheers Choppsy
I've had mine 2 years, longest I've ever kept a bike...and I've had the 1290GT, that's says it all really. Granted I had it remapped to 134bhp after 2 months 😂
Impressive review again thanks chops. Your detailed knowledge, & experience shine through in the review. Nice little bike that. 👍🏻
Much appreciated! 😁👍
Thats a fancy CF moto 😂
Made in Austria this one, only 790 made by CFMoto
@@LambChopRides am only poking fun at ktm selling out to the commies 😅
I love my 890 Duke R and it’s got the full Akrapovic, you can’t beat it! Try me??? 😅
If you get a remap on that it took mine to 120bhp at the rear wheel!! Roughly 135bho at the crank
Said it before I tried this the 765rs and the 2023 mt09 sp Yamaha is in my garage now due to build quality electrical sweep and how fun it is easily as quick as this in a straight line triumph may have the edge on both at the top but feels flatter elsewhere I don’t regret buying the yam at all though best street bike I’ve owned makes the 1000s seem pointless on uk roads another thing to note is triumph ridiculous service prices and ktm’s lack of selling you a top end model with any gadgets on it the yam comes with everything that’s needed other than grips that were £180 makes the choice easier
Going to have to try the Yam MT09 SP! Like the sound of it
@@LambChopRides im 6-2 15 and a half stone and it’s fairly comfortable for 2-3 hours people mainly moan about the brakes because they aren’t on par with triumph or Ktm but they mainly go off pro reviews when they can’t ride the bike to the limits anyway just echo what pros say they’re more than enough in the real world I’ve never reached their limits the engine handling and electronics are quality in my opinion though
Tuscan Moto just bought the 2022 1290R. Tuscan Moto, very happy :)
Im on a moto2 st and I can't imagine anything else that handles like this triumph , this ktm must be amazing but I just couldn't get on with the looks of the ktm!, i also think there's no comparison with the build quality so I'll stick with my street triple moto 2 thanks ❤
the frame and triple clamp rigidity tuning is on another level cimpared to the street triple~
TLDR street triple frame is... for a lack of a better term, not in sync with the suspension
I'd love a comparison between this and the 1290 with you and Greg switching between them regularly. Which is actually the better more fun road bike
Pretty simple. Are you going straight most of the time or turning most of the time. 890 if the latter.
@trevorbrowneguitar6311 not as simple as that at all. I have a 1290 sdr gen3 and it's pretty damn handy in the corners and on straights, but I'd love to try a 890r to see if it would be just as much fun or maybe better in some ways 🤷♂️
@@bikerboi1983 Bike World did a great rundown. I rode the 1290 at a KTM event. Decided on an 890 R. Never been on anything that carved like this bike.
@trevorbrowneguitar6311 I don't think a demo day is long enough to get used to the 1290 and how to ride it and push it . Chops rides the same Roads I do, so knows what's there and there's certainly not much carving going on I can tell you that
Great idea actually 👍
It was about time... I've not even watched the video yet, but I know I'm going to like the fact that you're going to like it. Now, I can't wait for you to try the new SMT. I'm really curious to know what you think about it.
Lovely Review, what a machine, cant wait for its comparo with Street triple RS...
i love my 890, proper hooligan bike!
Great video Chops, I love my 890R to bits, I'll never get rid of it ❤ I made that mistake with my RGV250 😢
Great video! I’m getting one
In track mode you can switch your traction control level with up & down with the buttons
I tried this bike with "track mode" Feels like SD1290R, so punchy!
love the enthusiasm
I ride on and off the highway so the power would be good for me. I liked the ride of the Indian FTR MUCH better but it was heavier. Ride was much much smoother. Engine was nice too with less throttle snatch.
To whom it may concern, which is ahh, no one but myself: I really want a new 890 Duke R, but I come from decades of Honda CBR reliability, and I’ve so much caustic shit about KTM unreliability. That’s my quandary.
Chopsy if you fancy riding a ktm 890R with a full exhaust system and a tune making 120bhp at the wheel/ maybe 135bhp at the crank depending on drive train loss plus I've stripped 9kgs off the weight I'm happy to meet..? I've met you twice before at NEC live but obviously you would remember me but would be cool for you to see the potential of the 890R
Sounds incredible!
The only thing I dislike on this bike is the position of the exhaust.
1050 sport at the tuners next to 890R, twice the size! I thought it was the 790. I will never buy a bike I have to pay for add-ons. plus KTM has really bad build quality. oil leaks, wiring looms, and wet switches. good video :).
Not a looker (in my eyes at least) but seems like a good value bag of fun!
The handle bar can be adjust further. Suspension is all adjustable.
ahaha everything you said has been my exact experience .. f..k I love this bike .. only sat on one two weeks ago and instantly knew it was going to be good .. but had no idea just how good that really is.
It has shit QS for anybody wondering. Also my 890 R (2022) which is 100% same as this one 2023, came with oil leak and coolant leak even before riding it. The QS gives me frequent false neutrals even after visiting the dealer to fix it and the QS feels choppy and unpleasant. Also you have to pay additionally to activate normal functions like the QS and track modes such as the disabling ABS and TC or changing their levels... lol it's a joke
Just got one and totally agree on qs, its terrible, i get same mis-shifts, false neutral, its pretty clunky, the wp suspension feels pretty harsh, not plush at all but maybe i just need that dialled in 🤷🏻 love the bikes handling tho, its great fun and nice power
@@mach3463 Its just that QS that kinda makes me sell it and get maybe a Ducati or a BMW. Maybe the Aprilias also have pretty buttery QS
@@johnadams3038 yep rsv4 qs like butter, it feels super premium.. the 660 models have cheaper parts tho and i did suffer occasional false neutrals on my old rs660
I guess this is the engine that the Aprilia RS 660 should have...
Great informative video Chopsy. Thanks.
But is it a bike that as you walk past it in your garage you’ll stand and admire it for a moment before moving on?
A face only a parent could love.
"Gorilla riding a pit bike" - I remember this saying from the first RSV4 review lol. Amazing review as always Chopsy.
Glad you enjoyed it 👍
Looks a Grunt party, in the twisty bits a bit of magic . There seems to be a bit of disagreement about quality of finishing and reliability, which if true would be disappointing as the bike looks great . I’m looking forward to the comparison ride with Greg , all will be revealed. A great video Chops shows road class of this bike .
As always appreciate the big guy ergonomic considerations 👍🏼 but what’s your opinion on fitting on the KTM 690 SMR?
It's good! Big bike so no worries there
I'd like another bike be one of those with the full titinium exhaust system,, what a bike 😮 brilliant was looking forward to this review ☘️☘️☘️☘️☘️☘️☘️ from northern Ireland
My brother has the 890 adventure.. I was shocked at how angry the engine is and I have the 1190 adventure. It’s just got a mean character about it.
Looks to be a fun bike for those living in countries where it seldom rains.
I think I'm buying this as a second bike. I have to drive out to Shitfuck, Kansas to buy one which sucks. No offense to the fine people of Shitfuck; its a lovely town I'm sure.
After your Ducati Monster SP video I have been meaning to book a demo ride on one of them, however, you sound so much more exhilarated riding this KTM.....I need to try one! What puts me off is lack of Dealer network (near me) and reliability hearsay..
Loved my 21 reg SDR, didn't like the radiator issues and KTM UK trying to wriggle out of the warranty claim by saying I'd never had it serviced. Didn't want to live with it after that.