Finally purchased my first Secret Lab chair, it was a lengthy heavily researched choice, 😭. I decided on the 2022 DVA, regular, softweave fabric, and it's amazing. Everything about this chair was impressive, the box, the packaging, the tools, and not to mention assembly. Assembly was super straight forward, there is a video you can follow or a step by step massive diagram with colored pictures. The magnets for the arm rests and pillow seem very strong and durable. I am super geeked about the look and comfort of the chair and I hope it lasts me for quite sometime.The lumbar support and position adjustments really add comfort to the experience. I feel like its worth the investment, and totally recommend. I used all my own pennies to purchase the chair and have no regrets!!! (so far)
Hi. A question. Is the chair too hard, or comfortable enough? I doubt between 2020 Titan and 2022 R, due to the issue of its hardness. I don't want to spend money on a chair that isn't comfortable for me. I'm 5'57" height and I'm afraid Titan is too big. Omega is ruled out. (I don't want cushion...) 2022 R may be better... but many people talk about it is too hard.
@@Cerbumota It definitely, definitely isn't a soft chair. It's very firm but I personally don't think it's too hard. It isn't like you're sitting on a rock. The chair's pretty comfy, especially for lengthier sittings. It also gets slightly softer over time but it will stay a firm chair.
@@gn0stica536 Thanks for the answer. I bought it. And definitely, I was wrong. May be because I bought the wrong size. But my opinion is that this chair isn't so good that everybody says.
@@Cerbumota sorry to hear that! I also have it but I do like it a lot. It actually helped with my back but had to get used to the firmness. Would not want another chair anymore.
This is probably the most comprehensive and competent review of an item I've seen so far. Usually something is missed, not mentioned, or hidden completely. Thank you.
Thank you! It's amazing how many chair reviews don't clearly show the size of the reviewer. I keep youtube comparing this with the Noblechairs Hero, and the vertically adjustable lumbar support seems worth the extra hundred bux, as you confirm here.
Just got my new 2022 model and I really feel like I've been hitting everyone across the map and through walls. The fact that the armrests are not level though is driving me insane.
I just got a Titan EVO the other day and I had the loud sound when first adjusting the lumbar support, about when I'd reached full extension on it. It sounded like a trapped spring suddenly releasing or something similar. It still seems to function normally so I don't think it's anything to worry about. I think I do have a slight difference in armrest height as well, like others have noted.
Thanks for the video! I decided to go with the 2020 Softweave Titan based on your information and my preferences. I used your affiliate link and name dropped you in the comment box at checkout. Keep up the good work!
I'm about to buy a 2020 too, not sure the new model worth the hype and as the differences are not that big, I'm more inclined to buy that. Which kind of upholstery did you chose?
Just ordered a 2020 Titan because it was marked down over $100 cheaper than the 2022 Evo. We use the 2022 at my job, and I really like them, but I couldn't pass up the savings. Bonus - the marked down model was a custom World of Warcraft "Horde" model, so that's pretty cool! I hope I don't notice too many bad differences between the 2020 and the model we sit in at work, because that would seriously be a bummer.
I bought one right when they first released. Have two issues. 1. Base squeaking (due to not having enough buffer between seat and plastic). It took them some time to develop a fix. But they sent it out for free. It was easy to install. Now that is resolved. 2. My backrest makes noise whenever I move. They report they will be sending me out a new one here. It hasn't happened yet but is also free. 3. I believe my armrests are even. With that said, I love the improvements of this chair. But felt like my 2020 version was slightly more comfortable. It also was completely silent. But I'm still sitting in the new one as the other updates are nicer.
Helpful comment, thanks! I'm doing some research to buy a Titan and to be honest, I'm more inclined to go for a 2020 version even with the super cool improvements.
@@pricadlo I totally forgot about this comment. I figured I may as well update for you and anyone else who sees it.
1. The fix for the base of the seat works great. I haven't had any creaking from it since I applied it. But I have found that the seat base is a lot harder (stiffer) than my 2020 model. However, it is a bit larger making it easier to sit cross legged. I think after about four months it is getting closer to my 2020 model that broke in after about 1 month. I think part of that may have to do with the faux leather being too tight creating artificial stiffness. As the original back I had was the same. But the replacement back is a lot softer. Due to this I’m wondering if there has been some improvement there or if it is dependent on the batch you get. 2. They sent out my replacement back. The new one is a lot softer (when squeezing) compared to the old one which was super hard. Which makes it a lot more comfortable when sitting into. But I still get noise when I have the lumbar support engaged. But moving it around when that develops helps silence it for a short period. Which for the price of the chair is frustrating. I continue to be on the fence about if I see it as a big upgrade from the original (despite me appreciating the increased adjustability). As the 2020 version was in the perfect spot and the perfect amount for my back. But I think I just got super lucky on that. The 2020 model also had a more aggressive racing seat design that would push you into the center of the chair and force better posture. Where the 2022 is more flat allowing me to be in more positions but at the cost of good posture. I feel a lot less squeezed as well due to this. Which can be a pro or a con. The actual adjustment knob is superior on the 2020 model over the 2022. But my 2022 replacement knob is better than my original knob. 3. The Magnetic Pillow is amazing on the 2022. It is a lot softer of memory foam, an improved shape, and magnetic allowing it to be placed in the correct spot easier. It is also a lot cleaner looking. HUGE difference here. So much so that it makes it difficult to go back to the 2020. 5. The arms, while cool, have not affected me at all compared to the old ones. So I find that to be a wash unless if you plan on buying the upgraded arm rests which I think are insanely expensive. 6. The height on the 2020 is a lot higher (both at it’s lowest and the highest) than the 2022. I’d argue the 2022 is probably more “ideal” for most desks. Or if you are shorter you’ll prefer the 2022 as your feet should be able to touch the ground easier. 7. Aesthetically I think my 2020 version looks better than my 2022 (Batman version for both). The 2020 version looks higher quality and more expensive than the 2022 for some reason. 8. Both chairs have held up perfectly and still look brand new. They are incredibly solid with no wobbling. The 2022 is the only chair I’ve sat in for the past four months without any issues. Prior to that I spent all my time in the 2020. I still find the 2020 model to be more every so slightly more comfortable and more quiet. But the magnetic pillow, height of the lift, wider base of the seat, and adjustments on the bottom of the chair (for tilt and height) are in more ideal positions making the 2022 be slightly better overall. Either way I don’t think you can go wrong with whichever variant you get. But if the 2020 model is a lot cheaper I don’t think you are missing much. If you have any other questions let me know!
@@ThomasMuehlerMuehler great considerations, thank you so much! I'm more inclined to buy the Titan 2020 because of the price but also the design, which are nicer. I'm not a fan of the magnetic pillow idea as I read that the magnets have a low life cycle and fall easily from the chair. The only thing that is bugging me is the height (I'm 1.65cm 70kg) as I'm afraid to find the T2020 too big. Thanks for the feedback, I'm planning to buy mine today ^^ Cheers
@@pricadlo I have heard issues with the pillow as well. I've noticed if I whip my chair up quickly, or sit down hard/fast, that it can come loose. But since I tend to not to do that naturally I don't run into that problem. I'd also be slightly concerned about the height (more the depth of the chair) at 5'4. But I'm very excited for you! I was pumped when I finally ordered mine after years of wanting one.
@@ThomasMuehler I want to get this chair but i'm scared that I might not like it. I'm currently using a €50,- Ikea Renberget. Have you ever sat in one of these?
Got mine a few days ago and it is was way better than the 2020 version. Arm rest feels really soft compared to the 2020 titan which has somewhat rough feeling. And i like the new leather material they’re using. I don’t know if it is because i have the league of legends yasuo edition but the 2020 titan has this smooth/slick feeling. Oh and loved the magnetic pillows!!!! And from what i remember i feel like the 2020 titan seems big compared to R variant of the 2022.
Hello, i was thinking about getting this chair aswell, but im woried it wont get under my desk, can you please do me a huge favor and measure the height from the ground to the armrest top? ( at the lowest to the ground setting on the chair and the armrests... so as low as it can get) Please and thank you in advance
@@bruce_wayne idk if you still need it but mine on the tallest armrest setting is ~73cm and on the lowest ~66cm, and that's on the lowest hydraulic height. Mine's the K/DA All Out Edition
Thanks for giving this one a review. The magnets seem like a great solution to the annoying/unsightly straps. On a separate note, is that an Exorcist shirt???
I have a 2020 Titan and my wife has the 2022 Titan Evo S. I don't see much difference at all. Even in width, they feel very similar. 2020 pros - arm rests feel more solid 2022 pros - magnetic pillow - better adjustments for lumbar I was waiting for my wife's to come in so I could compare. I was debating wanting to replace mine with the 2022. After using both, I'm keeping the 2020. With actual use they feel very similar. Not enough upgrades to justify replacing it. Secretlab makes a great product.
I like the chair, but Iam a bit concerned about the Magnets in the armrests. Mechanical watches can have their movements magnetized pretty easily, would hate to have to spend a lot of money regularly for using the armrest with a wristwatch on.
Great review Franco, I am caught in between of getting a Titan or an office chair, but I am leaning more to the Titan. On another note with the arm rests, I had a Quersus gaming chair and it had the same problem, one of them was higher than the other. Looks like it's a very common thing to find.
My work Titan Evo I got a few months ago also has armrests that are off by about 1/4. My old 2020 Titan does not. I also find my older 2020 Tian more comfortable. Seat feels a tiny bit softer and the shape fits better. I feel like I fidget more in the Evo to prevent a backache.
When talking about customer service, and returns, I have to add here that my return process took in total of 2.5 months... Before you're allowed to send it to them, they make you sign some random document that relieves you of your rights.. Not 100% of the legality there, but they won't process it without it. Also they will only reply once a week, claiming their customer service is really busy. Watch out for these when ordering.
I believe the uneven arm rest may be a actual design. Most people will have their left hand ona keyboard, and right on a mouse. The keyboard is naturally higher then a mouse.
one thing im afraid of with their PU leather that people overlook is… not the peeling but the cracking at the creases from sitting on it for a few years. granted i only own the 2018 version which has now been upgraded twice from 2.0 to this new evo version but i had a blanket over my titan from day 1 and theres no major peeling except slightly where the cracks are from me sitting on it.. and theres cracks at the creases with light peeling on these cracks are just about everywhere especially the front part of the seat where it creases the most. i knew when i got the chair to be very meticulous about how i sit or anything with the chair and take as much care as possible with it but dang PU really let me down. i get that the newest version is 12 times stronger but ide be willing to bet its still gonna crease and its still gonna crack at those creases with some time. the next chair i get will be soft weave for sure, yea it creases too from reviews online but the major deciding factor for me is it wont crack at the creases.
Hi sorry a year late did you have the regular or xl? I’m 6’1.5 so on the boarder line unsure which to get! And there now £488 on offer (£550 for the Xl so like $600!)
i take that arm rest as good thing being off! right hand is always lower due to the mouse and the left arm resting is always higher for the keyboard, while YES it should be equal BUT its not a bad sign as its natural for the left hand to be higher in use so it will help you out even though we dont believe it to be helpful lol
The armrest height difference is tied to the position of the armrest base fixations under the chair ! :) if they are not perfectly positioned at the same length under the chair -> then you'll have a slight difference in height : as the underneath of the chair is not perfectly flat ! ^^
Just bought one (before seeing this review) and put it together last night... so basically I'm using it properly for the first time * right now * after having the same old mesh office chair for ~8 years So... Brilliant packaging and easy to put together. The massive box won't fit through my loft hatch though so it's either going in the garage (to waste loads of space) or to the tip (to waste loads of packing). The chair is much firmer than I'm used to. It's obviously going to 'break in' to some extent, and I'm comparing back to an old mesh chair (that was falling apart). The lumbar support feels very firm. The height adjustment doesn't seem to make much difference - is mine broken? Or is it just a subtle difference? The arm rests on mine are the same height. The soft weave feels much cooler than my daughters (similar) Corsair chair. So it's _really_ good as a fabric choice if you want to stay chilled in the hot weather. Build quality is excellent except the arm rests do have some play in all directions and therefore can rattle if you give 'em a shake. I wasn't expecting that tbh, but it's not something you notice when on the chair. In summary, I'm expecting to have some back ache or shoulder ache after a day's work for the first time in years, as I feel I haven't dialled this thing in yet, and I've been soooooo used to the previous chair (even with a broken backrest and horrible squeaks). That's probably going to put someone off, reading that. I can only say I'll either get used to it in a couple of weeks, or I'll make use of their returns policy! (That is: request return within 2 weeks, return in original box, pay for parcel delivery - fair enough)
@@TURTWIG094 Well it's not trash (that's a bit extreme), but I wouldn't buy another. Basically it's still hard, it makes creaks and groans when I shift my position on it (maybe I need to re-tighten all the bolts, but I think they're mostly from inside the lumbar support mechanism), and I'm still getting backaches occasionally where I didn't have any before.
I find them too hard but I just bought a memory foam cushion pad to sit on and now it's perfect and when that gets flat I can just replace the cheap cushion and not the whole chair
Hey franko, i would love if you could do a workout routine video. As a gamer i train between games, something I've found refreshing and doesn't tiers me as fast as regular training. But im quite stuck in my routine and would love some good exercises that can be done with only a few equipments. Much love!
your content on secret labs have been killer! i have some cheap chair form staples lol and it is about 4 years old and the seat has finally lost all comfort so ive been trying to figure out which chair to get and its gonna be the secret labs titan 2022
have had for more than a year the 22 titian xl , lubricated the bearing after a year to stop a little squike , it is too hard for me , i use a gel cushion under my rump , main fault is the wobbly arm rests ...
I have a question for people who had (or still have) the 2020 Titan SoftWeave and the Titan Evo 2022. Do you have less pressure under the legs on the front of the seatbase with the 2022 version? If it is the case, maybe I could considere to buy the new version.
I received my brand new Titan 2022 model first of this month. The lumbar knob was broken on the backrest when removed it from the box, the magnetic pillow is damaged and has a tear in it also out of the shipping box. I have went back and forth with them sending them pictures of the damage and. Ow they won’t even respond. They do not honor there warranty at all. There warranty department is obviously not in America. Not sure how I can get them to honor it. But I hate having a expensive chair and the plastic knob on side is broken in half. My arms on my chair are very offset also.
I currently have a Vertagear chair that's starting to fail on me and been looking at Secretlab, I've also noticed my armrests are uneven by a small amount. Seems like it's an adjustible armrest thing because my Ficmax chair I had before this one didn't have adjustible armrests and they were perfectly even
i experienced armrests being un even by the same amount. i feel like they mixed up the S, R, and XL, arm rests.. why else would they manufacture different height arm rests.. i will say i have had this happen on budget gaming chairs, key word - budget. hasent been enough for me to notice or fuss about
Hi! Nice r! Im one of the concrete guys. I have back pain and tailbone pain. I had 2020 model and sold it. Is 2022 model any softer on seat padding or its just the same as it was?
How does the seat firmness hold up to a DxRacer chair? When I first got my DxRacer I also thought it was hard as a rock but I have come to love it and after buying 3 different chairs, I keep going back to my DxRacer. So can anyone comment if it is harder/softer/same as a DxRacer?
If you mean the Herman Miller x Logitech Embody, then I’d say the HM is the better chair for most things. I prefer the SL for more relaxed sitting like watching a movie/show, and I think the armrests are better on the SL as well. Overall though, the HM is better but it’s also 3x the price. I wanna do a video comparing them eventually.
I actually just got the Iskur last week. I put it together on stream and shared my initial thoughts, so you can check out the VOD while I work on an actual video review.
I have the evo 2022 titan just over a week and it’s lumbar support is creaking like crazy. I’ve contacted support and after reading multiple reports on this I now wish I hadn’t bothered. People getting replacement back units and still having the same issue. I’ve already tried adjusting the settings over and over and still the same issue and getting worse. Junk, don’t bother buying this chair
I’ve been having issues with the 2020 model, I weigh 250lbs and the chair goes up to 290lbs. The locking mechanism went out twice already and they claim I would have to pay $70 to get a new locking mechanism. I’m looking at the new 2022 models and it says that it’s 395lbs and the locking system is heavy duty, any one having any issues with the locking mechanism with this lineup???
While eating greasy tacos, and the oil pouring out both on me and my new 2022 chair, IDK, clothes went in the wash and the fake leather wiped right on up, fat, dumb, and happy…that’s my story, and I am sticking to it!
I got the 2020 Omega, and my arm rest are not even in height either. I'm not sure why this is still an issue with the 2022? Tho I never contacted customer service for it
It's not an exaduration, it's like a slab of concrete. unless your a teen or never done a hard days work in your life. I cant tthink of anything worse than comming home from a physical job and sitting in this contraption. it litterally destroyed my back. im quite muscular/padded but my bit cheeks were so sore and my back was just trash after an hour in this thing. the lumbar support is like a knobbly ball. totally crap unless you loosen it and then theres no point. AKracing all the way!
Uncomfortable AF. What a shame. They spend much effort to make it look cool, have decent adjustment and awesome unboxing experience. But face it the chair is like sitting on and against a flat board with pleather on it . Just another gaming chair your body is actually gonna hate sitting in for long periods. I was excited to order the Titan Evo (stealth). But now I’m sending it (if I can get it in the box) and the white fabric one I got for my daughter - back to secret lab
I just wish the chairs weren’t $500 that’s a bit much not matter what. I need a new chair badly as mine only has 1 arm rest now and is just a cheap office chair anyways that’s uncomfortable.
Haha $1600 Herman miller X Logitech chair go brrrrrrrrrrr. To be serious tho, there is probably a very good reason they are priced the way they are, and if it’s out of your price range it is possible to find good chairs for like $300. But keep in mind that for the most part, you get what you pay for, i made that mistake when I bought a $130 gaming chair
Both overpriced and not even being used ergonomically as they were intended. People who sit in these are super smooth brained. You know it, I know it, everyone knows it.
@@FracnoTV The seat is designed in a form and function to be utilized inside of vehicles. So your body is stationary while aggressively cornering. The side bolsters are literally, not figuratively, designed to hold a person in, the thought of comfort isn't even on the drawing board. With that being said I'm genuinely interested if your gaming setup can make you experience G forces, because if so my 3080ti is extremely jealous.
@@Personalinfo404 The neckbeard energy that radiates from this comment is intense. Don’t worry buddy the racing chair boogie man isn’t gonna get you, you can stop being afraid a few largely inconsequential aesthetic design choices 😂
@@br3aking366 Despite Personal Info's comments, he is correct. Secret Lab claims to be ergonomic yet they provide very few ergonomic features. Ergonomics seating is designed to move the way we want to move without restriction. The entire idea of the current secret lab design counteracts this idea and back tracks 30+ years of R&D by major companies like Steelcase & Herman Miller. You can especially see this in seating like the Steelcase Gesture, Series 2, or Leap, Aeron, Embody as examples. The current market describes ergonomic seating to be built around 3 main areas: Health, Flexibility, and Agile. Secret Lab Titan can nail Agile working to an extent due to its simplistic set up but even fails here due to its size and maneuverability. Titan is an ok chair. Their stiching and branding is immaculate. Everything else is not worth the $$$. If you are buying because you want a good chair look somewhere else. @Fracno I hope this helps. Feel free to reach out to me if you have any questions.
Finally purchased my first Secret Lab chair, it was a lengthy heavily researched choice, 😭. I decided on the 2022 DVA, regular, softweave fabric, and it's amazing. Everything about this chair was impressive, the box, the packaging, the tools, and not to mention assembly. Assembly was super straight forward, there is a video you can follow or a step by step massive diagram with colored pictures. The magnets for the arm rests and pillow seem very strong and durable. I am super geeked about the look and comfort of the chair and I hope it lasts me for quite sometime.The lumbar support and position adjustments really add comfort to the experience. I feel like its worth the investment, and totally recommend. I used all my own pennies to purchase the chair and have no regrets!!! (so far)
Hi. A question. Is the chair too hard, or comfortable enough?
I doubt between 2020 Titan and 2022 R, due to the issue of its hardness. I don't want to spend money on a chair that isn't comfortable for me. I'm 5'57" height and I'm afraid Titan is too big. Omega is ruled out. (I don't want cushion...) 2022 R may be better... but many people talk about it is too hard.
@@Cerbumota It definitely, definitely isn't a soft chair. It's very firm but I personally don't think it's too hard. It isn't like you're sitting on a rock. The chair's pretty comfy, especially for lengthier sittings. It also gets slightly softer over time but it will stay a firm chair.
@@gn0stica536 Thanks for the answer. I bought it. And definitely, I was wrong. May be because I bought the wrong size. But my opinion is that this chair isn't so good that everybody says.
@@Cerbumota sorry to hear that! I also have it but I do like it a lot. It actually helped with my back but had to get used to the firmness. Would not want another chair anymore.
It will last forever. My 2020 model looks as new as my wife's 2022 lol.
im sitting on the evo 2022 R and im in love with it
have you noticed a little movement of the backrest mechanism when you move forward and then lay on it?
Me too!
This is probably the most comprehensive and competent review of an item I've seen so far. Usually something is missed, not mentioned, or hidden completely. Thank you.
He missed the new skins available 😊
You earned a sub from me.
Just purchased 2 one in S and one in R.
Fingers crossed they aren't going to be crappy.
You get it yet? Did you like?
my titan evo 2022(XL) just arrived today and GOD, it is very comfortable and the quality is very good
Thank you! It's amazing how many chair reviews don't clearly show the size of the reviewer. I keep youtube comparing this with the Noblechairs Hero, and the vertically adjustable lumbar support seems worth the extra hundred bux, as you confirm here.
Just got my new 2022 model and I really feel like I've been hitting everyone across the map and through walls. The fact that the armrests are not level though is driving me insane.
I just got a Titan EVO the other day and I had the loud sound when first adjusting the lumbar support, about when I'd reached full extension on it. It sounded like a trapped spring suddenly releasing or something similar. It still seems to function normally so I don't think it's anything to worry about. I think I do have a slight difference in armrest height as well, like others have noted.
Thanks for the video! I decided to go with the 2020 Softweave Titan based on your information and my preferences. I used your affiliate link and name dropped you in the comment box at checkout. Keep up the good work!
I'm about to buy a 2020 too, not sure the new model worth the hype and as the differences are not that big, I'm more inclined to buy that. Which kind of upholstery did you chose?
Just ordered a 2020 Titan because it was marked down over $100 cheaper than the 2022 Evo. We use the 2022 at my job, and I really like them, but I couldn't pass up the savings. Bonus - the marked down model was a custom World of Warcraft "Horde" model, so that's pretty cool! I hope I don't notice too many bad differences between the 2020 and the model we sit in at work, because that would seriously be a bummer.
Great review!
Could you add washers to the higher arm rest to offset the height difference? Could be a pretty simple at-home fix
You probably could, but I'd still prefer they replace them.
I bought one right when they first released. Have two issues.
1. Base squeaking (due to not having enough buffer between seat and plastic). It took them some time to develop a fix. But they sent it out for free. It was easy to install. Now that is resolved.
2. My backrest makes noise whenever I move. They report they will be sending me out a new one here. It hasn't happened yet but is also free.
3. I believe my armrests are even.
With that said, I love the improvements of this chair. But felt like my 2020 version was slightly more comfortable. It also was completely silent. But I'm still sitting in the new one as the other updates are nicer.
Helpful comment, thanks! I'm doing some research to buy a Titan and to be honest, I'm more inclined to go for a 2020 version even with the super cool improvements.
@@pricadlo I totally forgot about this comment. I figured I may as well update for you and anyone else who sees it.
1. The fix for the base of the seat works great. I haven't had any creaking from it since I applied it. But I have found that the seat base is a lot harder (stiffer) than my 2020 model. However, it is a bit larger making it easier to sit cross legged. I think after about four months it is getting closer to my 2020 model that broke in after about 1 month. I think part of that may have to do with the faux leather being too tight creating artificial stiffness. As the original back I had was the same. But the replacement back is a lot softer. Due to this I’m wondering if there has been some improvement there or if it is dependent on the batch you get.
2. They sent out my replacement back. The new one is a lot softer (when squeezing) compared to the old one which was super hard. Which makes it a lot more comfortable when sitting into. But I still get noise when I have the lumbar support engaged. But moving it around when that develops helps silence it for a short period. Which for the price of the chair is frustrating. I continue to be on the fence about if I see it as a big upgrade from the original (despite me appreciating the increased adjustability). As the 2020 version was in the perfect spot and the perfect amount for my back. But I think I just got super lucky on that. The 2020 model also had a more aggressive racing seat design that would push you into the center of the chair and force better posture. Where the 2022 is more flat allowing me to be in more positions but at the cost of good posture. I feel a lot less squeezed as well due to this. Which can be a pro or a con. The actual adjustment knob is superior on the 2020 model over the 2022. But my 2022 replacement knob is better than my original knob.
3. The Magnetic Pillow is amazing on the 2022. It is a lot softer of memory foam, an improved shape, and magnetic allowing it to be placed in the correct spot easier. It is also a lot cleaner looking. HUGE difference here. So much so that it makes it difficult to go back to the 2020.
5. The arms, while cool, have not affected me at all compared to the old ones. So I find that to be a wash unless if you plan on buying the upgraded arm rests which I think are insanely expensive.
6. The height on the 2020 is a lot higher (both at it’s lowest and the highest) than the 2022. I’d argue the 2022 is probably more “ideal” for most desks. Or if you are shorter you’ll prefer the 2022 as your feet should be able to touch the ground easier.
7. Aesthetically I think my 2020 version looks better than my 2022 (Batman version for both). The 2020 version looks higher quality and more expensive than the 2022 for some reason.
8. Both chairs have held up perfectly and still look brand new. They are incredibly solid with no wobbling. The 2022 is the only chair I’ve sat in for the past four months without any issues. Prior to that I spent all my time in the 2020. I still find the 2020 model to be more every so slightly more comfortable and more quiet. But the magnetic pillow, height of the lift, wider base of the seat, and adjustments on the bottom of the chair (for tilt and height) are in more ideal positions making the 2022 be slightly better overall. Either way I don’t think you can go wrong with whichever variant you get. But if the 2020 model is a lot cheaper I don’t think you are missing much.
If you have any other questions let me know!
@@ThomasMuehlerMuehler great considerations, thank you so much! I'm more inclined to buy the Titan 2020 because of the price but also the design, which are nicer. I'm not a fan of the magnetic pillow idea as I read that the magnets have a low life cycle and fall easily from the chair. The only thing that is bugging me is the height (I'm 1.65cm 70kg) as I'm afraid to find the T2020 too big. Thanks for the feedback, I'm planning to buy mine today ^^ Cheers
@@pricadlo I have heard issues with the pillow as well. I've noticed if I whip my chair up quickly, or sit down hard/fast, that it can come loose. But since I tend to not to do that naturally I don't run into that problem.
I'd also be slightly concerned about the height (more the depth of the chair) at 5'4.
But I'm very excited for you! I was pumped when I finally ordered mine after years of wanting one.
@@ThomasMuehler I want to get this chair but i'm scared that I might not like it. I'm currently using a €50,- Ikea Renberget.
Have you ever sat in one of these?
One of best reviews I came across on youtube. Very well done!
Got mine a few days ago and it is was way better than the 2020 version. Arm rest feels really soft compared to the 2020 titan which has somewhat rough feeling. And i like the new leather material they’re using. I don’t know if it is because i have the league of legends yasuo edition but the 2020 titan has this smooth/slick feeling. Oh and loved the magnetic pillows!!!! And from what i remember i feel like the 2020 titan seems big compared to R variant of the 2022.
Hello, i was thinking about getting this chair aswell, but im woried it wont get under my desk, can you please do me a huge favor and measure the height from the ground to the armrest top? ( at the lowest to the ground setting on the chair and the armrests... so as low as it can get) Please and thank you in advance
@@bruce_wayne idk if you still need it but mine on the tallest armrest setting is ~73cm and on the lowest ~66cm, and that's on the lowest hydraulic height. Mine's the K/DA All Out Edition
Thanks for giving this one a review. The magnets seem like a great solution to the annoying/unsightly straps.
On a separate note, is that an Exorcist shirt???
It is indeed. It's an Exorcist x Vans shirt from their recent Horror line.
I bought now Titan 2022 softWeawe Plus Fabric, waiting ☺Thank you so much for video! Very helpful !
How do you like it after 4 months? :) (thinking to buy one also)
Entered the market for a chair and you answered all my questions here! Just bought my XR using your link!
I have a 2020 Titan and my wife has the 2022 Titan Evo S. I don't see much difference at all. Even in width, they feel very similar.
2020 pros - arm rests feel more solid
2022 pros - magnetic pillow
- better adjustments for lumbar
I was waiting for my wife's to come in so I could compare. I was debating wanting to replace mine with the 2022. After using both, I'm keeping the 2020. With actual use they feel very similar. Not enough upgrades to justify replacing it. Secretlab makes a great product.
I like the chair, but Iam a bit concerned about the Magnets in the armrests.
Mechanical watches can have their movements magnetized pretty easily, would hate to have to spend a lot of money regularly for using the armrest with a wristwatch on.
I had 2020 Titan model in Australia and I can confirm mine also had different armrest height too.
Great review Franco, I am caught in between of getting a Titan or an office chair, but I am leaning more to the Titan. On another note with the arm rests, I had a Quersus gaming chair and it had the same problem, one of them was higher than the other. Looks like it's a very common thing to find.
My work Titan Evo I got a few months ago also has armrests that are off by about 1/4. My old 2020 Titan does not.
I also find my older 2020 Tian more comfortable. Seat feels a tiny bit softer and the shape fits better. I feel like I fidget more in the Evo to prevent a backache.
I just ordered this model a few weeks ago. Gota wait till February though to put it together
When talking about customer service, and returns, I have to add here that my return process took in total of 2.5 months... Before you're allowed to send it to them, they make you sign some random document that relieves you of your rights.. Not 100% of the legality there, but they won't process it without it. Also they will only reply once a week, claiming their customer service is really busy. Watch out for these when ordering.
I believe the uneven arm rest may be a actual design. Most people will have their left hand ona keyboard, and right on a mouse. The keyboard is naturally higher then a mouse.
Interesting, liking the improvements so far!
one thing im afraid of with their PU leather that people overlook is… not the peeling but the cracking at the creases from sitting on it for a few years. granted i only own the 2018 version which has now been upgraded twice from 2.0 to this new evo version but i had a blanket over my titan from day 1 and theres no major peeling except slightly where the cracks are from me sitting on it.. and theres cracks at the creases with light peeling on these cracks are just about everywhere especially the front part of the seat where it creases the most. i knew when i got the chair to be very meticulous about how i sit or anything with the chair and take as much care as possible with it but dang PU really let me down. i get that the newest version is 12 times stronger but ide be willing to bet its still gonna crease and its still gonna crack at those creases with some time. the next chair i get will be soft weave for sure, yea it creases too from reviews online but the major deciding factor for me is it wont crack at the creases.
Did you make sure to keep up with treating the "leather" over time to prevent it from drying up and cracking?
The seat cushion looks thinner on the new one
Hi sorry a year late did you have the regular or xl? I’m 6’1.5 so on the boarder line unsure which to get! And there now £488 on offer (£550 for the Xl so like $600!)
i take that arm rest as good thing being off! right hand is always lower due to the mouse and the left arm resting is always higher for the keyboard, while YES it should be equal BUT its not a bad sign as its natural for the left hand to be higher in use so it will help you out even though we dont believe it to be helpful lol
The armrest height difference is tied to the position of the armrest base fixations under the chair ! :) if they are not perfectly positioned at the same length under the chair -> then you'll have a slight difference in height : as the underneath of the chair is not perfectly flat ! ^^
i had the same issue on my Omega 2020 and fixed it like that ! :)
Thx mines currently in shipping and i will check that out. Appreciate the advice
Just bought one (before seeing this review) and put it together last night... so basically I'm using it properly for the first time * right now * after having the same old mesh office chair for ~8 years
So...
Brilliant packaging and easy to put together. The massive box won't fit through my loft hatch though so it's either going in the garage (to waste loads of space) or to the tip (to waste loads of packing).
The chair is much firmer than I'm used to. It's obviously going to 'break in' to some extent, and I'm comparing back to an old mesh chair (that was falling apart).
The lumbar support feels very firm. The height adjustment doesn't seem to make much difference - is mine broken? Or is it just a subtle difference?
The arm rests on mine are the same height.
The soft weave feels much cooler than my daughters (similar) Corsair chair. So it's _really_ good as a fabric choice if you want to stay chilled in the hot weather.
Build quality is excellent except the arm rests do have some play in all directions and therefore can rattle if you give 'em a shake. I wasn't expecting that tbh, but it's not something you notice when on the chair.
In summary, I'm expecting to have some back ache or shoulder ache after a day's work for the first time in years, as I feel I haven't dialled this thing in yet, and I've been soooooo used to the previous chair (even with a broken backrest and horrible squeaks). That's probably going to put someone off, reading that. I can only say I'll either get used to it in a couple of weeks, or I'll make use of their returns policy! (That is: request return within 2 weeks, return in original box, pay for parcel delivery - fair enough)
Sounds like it is trash
@@TURTWIG094 Well it's not trash (that's a bit extreme), but I wouldn't buy another. Basically it's still hard, it makes creaks and groans when I shift my position on it (maybe I need to re-tighten all the bolts, but I think they're mostly from inside the lumbar support mechanism), and I'm still getting backaches occasionally where I didn't have any before.
I've also had the different arm heights issue with my old Titan XL
They have protective skins for the chairs also Atleast for soft weave. I will be investing
Get video man! Thanks a lot. Very detailed report.
I find them too hard but I just bought a memory foam cushion pad to sit on and now it's perfect and when that gets flat I can just replace the cheap cushion and not the whole chair
I have the 2020 version, yea quality control was an issue for mines as well, there a gap/angle where the backrest meet the cushion
Hey franko, i would love if you could do a workout routine video. As a gamer i train between games, something I've found refreshing and doesn't tiers me as fast as regular training. But im quite stuck in my routine and would love some good exercises that can be done with only a few equipments. Much love!
I have some workout routines on my channel!
your content on secret labs have been killer! i have some cheap chair form staples lol and it is about 4 years old and the seat has finally lost all comfort so ive been trying to figure out which chair to get and its gonna be the secret labs titan 2022
have had for more than a year the 22 titian xl ,
lubricated the bearing after a year to stop a little squike ,
it is too hard for me , i use a gel cushion under my rump ,
main fault is the wobbly arm rests ...
I have a question for people who had (or still have) the 2020 Titan SoftWeave and the Titan Evo 2022.
Do you have less pressure under the legs on the front of the seatbase with the 2022 version? If it is the case, maybe I could considere to buy the new version.
Not sure but I have heard from others that the 2020 fabric is softer to the touch than the 2022 and that the 2022 is a bit stiffer/tightly stretched.
Were does one see the difference? i have not seen any year, i just saw Titan Evo i got the XL one Jinx themed total cost 644 Euro currently
I received my brand new Titan 2022 model first of this month. The lumbar knob was broken on the backrest when removed it from the box, the magnetic pillow is damaged and has a tear in it also out of the shipping box. I have went back and forth with them sending them pictures of the damage and. Ow they won’t even respond. They do not honor there warranty at all. There warranty department is obviously not in America. Not sure how I can get them to honor it. But I hate having a expensive chair and the plastic knob on side is broken in half.
My arms on my chair are very offset also.
I am biased to getting secret lab no matter the debate because of their sick collabs. Yes, I'm a sucker for gimmicks 🤓
I currently have a Vertagear chair that's starting to fail on me and been looking at Secretlab, I've also noticed my armrests are uneven by a small amount. Seems like it's an adjustible armrest thing because my Ficmax chair I had before this one didn't have adjustible armrests and they were perfectly even
Might be time I try out one of these bad boys
Just swing by the house, I can give you like… two of em.
good video where is the wallpapers on your pc from?
i experienced armrests being un even by the same amount. i feel like they mixed up the S, R, and XL, arm rests.. why else would they manufacture different height arm rests.. i will say i have had this happen on budget gaming chairs, key word - budget. hasent been enough for me to notice or fuss about
That Ewin Flash XL is big and it cost a little less and it has a 550 weight capacity
I’m sitting on one of these and it feels like I am sitting on a carpeted concrete floor. Incredibly uncomfortable. Had to buy a cushion to go on it.
Gotta break it in, I had the same issue
Which chair is that?
@@soffianfar1d559 2022
@@hydrogaming8684 do you know which chair is nice and soft I don't want a chair to be hard I want It to be soft and pillowy do u know any?
2020 titan, lower back is killing me. Developed lower back pain ever since purchasing the Titan chair. Not happy with it at all.
Hi! Nice r! Im one of the concrete guys. I have back pain and tailbone pain. I had 2020 model and sold it. Is 2022 model any softer on seat padding or its just the same as it was?
I’d say it’s the same.
How does the seat firmness hold up to a DxRacer chair? When I first got my DxRacer I also thought it was hard as a rock but I have come to love it and after buying 3 different chairs, I keep going back to my DxRacer. So can anyone comment if it is harder/softer/same as a DxRacer?
How does the new version stack up with that Herman Miller G chair?
If you mean the Herman Miller x Logitech Embody, then I’d say the HM is the better chair for most things. I prefer the SL for more relaxed sitting like watching a movie/show, and I think the armrests are better on the SL as well. Overall though, the HM is better but it’s also 3x the price. I wanna do a video comparing them eventually.
What’s the name of the table where your Pc tower rest?
Razer iskur review pls. Then how it is compared to secretlab evo 2022
I actually just got the Iskur last week. I put it together on stream and shared my initial thoughts, so you can check out the VOD while I work on an actual video review.
Does the 2022 Titan evo editions backrest fit on the normal Titan 2020base
How about the S size? in the site they mention that it's for
I haven’t tried it yet but I want to.
I’m 6’3 and I just turned 15 so i was hesitant to buy one
hey man what foot rest was that?
I have a 2020 and my arm rest are also uneven both in height and how close they are to the backrest
Where I can buy yours pads for foot ?
I have the evo 2022 titan just over a week and it’s lumbar support is creaking like crazy. I’ve contacted support and after reading multiple reports on this I now wish I hadn’t bothered. People getting replacement back units and still having the same issue. I’ve already tried adjusting the settings over and over and still the same issue and getting worse. Junk, don’t bother buying this chair
I’ve been having issues with the 2020 model, I weigh 250lbs and the chair goes up to 290lbs. The locking mechanism went out twice already and they claim I would have to pay $70 to get a new locking mechanism. I’m looking at the new 2022 models and it says that it’s 395lbs and the locking system is heavy duty, any one having any issues with the locking mechanism with this lineup???
While eating greasy tacos, and the oil pouring out both on me and my new 2022 chair, IDK, clothes went in the wash and the fake leather wiped right on up, fat, dumb, and happy…that’s my story, and I am sticking to it!
considering 92Kg, should go with regular or XL size for 2022 model?
anyone has experience to suggest.
Does it feel the same as the tian 2020v
Are you using the xl version
I got the 2020 Omega, and my arm rest are not even in height either. I'm not sure why this is still an issue with the 2022? Tho I never contacted customer service for it
During the stream I measure my 2020 Titan armrests and they were spot on, no issues with mismatching height. I did not measure my Omega though.
Anyone know if the arm rest issue and lumbar support noise was fixed?
What is that desk
I have different height armrests on my 2020 titan
Using magnets isn't weird but more like were we should of been decades and decades ago!!!!
Well the titan evo 2022 gave me nothing but lower back pain, thank god I can get a refund.
Try the Neue.
Idk how I feel about having a magnet that close to my head 8-10 hours a day. Anyone know if there are side effects to that?
No you don't have metal in your head so it will be fine
Dumb.
@@jtu2434 spoken like cattle.
It's not an exaduration, it's like a slab of concrete. unless your a teen or never done a hard days work in your life. I cant tthink of anything worse than comming home from a physical job and sitting in this contraption. it litterally destroyed my back. im quite muscular/padded but my bit cheeks were so sore and my back was just trash after an hour in this thing. the lumbar support is like a knobbly ball. totally crap unless you loosen it and then theres no point. AKracing all the way!
More than likely its your floor thats throwing it off, probably the same thing happened to your friend, flipping geniuses!
he literally spun the chair around, meaning he measured from the same place on the floor - flipping genius
Uncomfortable AF. What a shame. They spend much effort to make it look cool, have decent adjustment and awesome unboxing experience. But face it the chair is like sitting on and against a flat board with pleather on it . Just another gaming chair your body is actually gonna hate sitting in for long periods. I was excited to order the Titan Evo (stealth). But now I’m sending it (if I can get it in the box) and the white fabric one I got for my daughter - back to secret lab
I just wish the chairs weren’t $500 that’s a bit much not matter what. I need a new chair badly as mine only has 1 arm rest now and is just a cheap office chair anyways that’s uncomfortable.
Haha $1600 Herman miller X Logitech chair go brrrrrrrrrrr. To be serious tho, there is probably a very good reason they are priced the way they are, and if it’s out of your price range it is possible to find good chairs for like $300. But keep in mind that for the most part, you get what you pay for, i made that mistake when I bought a $130 gaming chair
These chairs have way too many problems for it to be overpriced and over hyped
lol checked mine haha same thing ..
Second let's go
3 yr warrenty off the bat 5 for advertizing bs quality
Your floor is off.
Both overpriced and not even being used ergonomically as they were intended. People who sit in these are super smooth brained. You know it, I know it, everyone knows it.
Can you explain the “not even being used ergonomically as they were intended” part? Genuinely curious.
@@FracnoTV The seat is designed in a form and function to be utilized inside of vehicles. So your body is stationary while aggressively cornering. The side bolsters are literally, not figuratively, designed to hold a person in, the thought of comfort isn't even on the drawing board. With that being said I'm genuinely interested if your gaming setup can make you experience G forces, because if so my 3080ti is extremely jealous.
@@Personalinfo404 The neckbeard energy that radiates from this comment is intense. Don’t worry buddy the racing chair boogie man isn’t gonna get you, you can stop being afraid a few largely inconsequential aesthetic design choices 😂
@@br3aking366 Despite Personal Info's comments, he is correct. Secret Lab claims to be ergonomic yet they provide very few ergonomic features. Ergonomics seating is designed to move the way we want to move without restriction. The entire idea of the current secret lab design counteracts this idea and back tracks 30+ years of R&D by major companies like Steelcase & Herman Miller. You can especially see this in seating like the Steelcase Gesture, Series 2, or Leap, Aeron, Embody as examples.
The current market describes ergonomic seating to be built around 3 main areas: Health, Flexibility, and Agile. Secret Lab Titan can nail Agile working to an extent due to its simplistic set up but even fails here due to its size and maneuverability.
Titan is an ok chair. Their stiching and branding is immaculate. Everything else is not worth the $$$. If you are buying because you want a good chair look somewhere else.
@Fracno I hope this helps. Feel free to reach out to me if you have any questions.
@@br3aking366 I don't have time for people with your pfp. Change it and we can have a talk.
Appreciate the informative video dude! Lot of good info with good delivery. Also, MAGNETS! 🧲
How do they work?