I think in a lot of ways we are seeing a reset similar to 2014 in favor of the IPF. Just with 10x the talent and better media. The USAPL is now crumbling after a shoddy Arnold, untested is hard to follow, and Sheffield was far better than I expected as a viewer. 2020-2022 was probably the most wide open powerlifting has been, and now order is returning. The next generation of Haack wont even bother going untested and everything will be pushed more into tested as it centralizes. IPF will finally have everything - Better media - more money - historic prestige.
Let's hope so. Untested sports will forever remain niche. IPF imo is more relatable to a broader audience. Also, with the strict technical rules and stiff bar it's much better than some of the fuckery in other federations. It offers a long term frame of reference.
This is absolutely true the push in gear(💉) and size is always causing a burn-out or injuries. - I remember that guy from the UK luke richardson when he lifted in the IPF the guy was on fire after it he did go to strongman and start to use and at the young age of 25 he had so many injuries(bicep tear lat tear hamstring tear) that it's almost sad to see.
@@brucepower3429 I have been following Luke since his IPF days and it is extremely sad. He has great potential but each time he gets strong, he tears something.
@@brucepower3429strongman has an inherently higher injury risk due to there being more than 3 lifts to train for most of which are less stable And even ipf lifters are enhanced
@@mongoosekhan3079I met luke a few times what's happened to him is shocking he teared his bicep then had knee surgery comes back tears his lat comes back tears same bicep comes back tears his hamstring all those injuries needed surgery I feel bad for him he come Into strong man with a bang winning Europe strongest man he was nicknamed the future his body has gave up fair play too him if he comes back but from my own experience he will get hurt again it's hard to say I'm done my body which was once the strongest in the world for his age and still is
I think the boom in talent these days causes a somewhat lack of interest because every day on social media we see random lifters put up outrageous numbers. It makes it hard to get a scope of just how strong the best guys are now. Every big lift is no longer a specific number in our minds so much as it's just "some ridiculous amount."
The thing pete is that lifting in your peak was more about passion and heart, in a way now it feels more about numbers. Remember watchig montage videos of you, dan green or george leeman, eric lillebridge etc. It seems similar to european soccer you know the quality of players is maybe higher than in the past but just the charisma is not even there anymore, there is no more substance. I am italian and the difference between our soccer team that won 2006 world cup and the one we have now just says it all. In that old team they looked like fucking aged warriors, now its just soulless. Powerlifting feels the same, as all the world to be honest. Better athletes with better numbers but less soul, less heart and less passion. You have alsways been my favourite lifter, not because you were the strongest but because i could feel your passion and would get goosebumps seeing your lifts with dmx in the background. It just the whole vibe was way more magical back then, you guys nearly looked like heroes to me in a way ;)
Pete, its that powerlifting when you were doing it wasn't even really a sport. It was more of a way of life, an artisting way of expressing pain i could say. There was a beauty in it beyond what it is becoming now for the most part: just another sport.
Less heart and less passion? Wtf? Have you talked to all of them to make such bold claims? How can you even strive to be the best without heart or passion about a thing, in this case sport? Ain’t nobody at the top just for the bigger numbers, that can’t be possible. They have to love the sport for long enough to learn to be patient in order to get strong/be the strongest. Your assessment is false or at least I strongly disagree with.
@@derherr8498i can understand why you disagree, but i just cant change my feeling about things in the world right now: everything is becoming more robotic, mechanic, more efficent maybe but with way less soul and individuality. Powerlifting feels the same. Just watch at the passion of george leeman, pete, dan green, brandon lilly. It wasnt even a sport for them, it was a way of living. Now great athletes but meh.... something feels just different.
I think the fact that John Haack was a top tested lifter before switching to untested is a huge factor in why he competes yearly, it's not like he doesn't get injured or fatigued like everyone else
John Haack is un-freakin-real. What's more crazy is to think that the measurable trajectory of human improvement in any area of performance is going to leave us with absolutely comical things happening in powerlifting 20 years from now.
Not really at this point seeing 700LBS to 1000LBS deadlifts or squats on or off the platform are becoming "normal" but that's it i remember when 400KG was a big deal that became "normal" but the weights past that are still difficult to achieve on a consistent basis even 400KG is difficult on a consistent basis. - Eddie his 500KG was in 2016 only thor and jamal did it 8 years later ray williams is still the only one who did 490KG in sleeves julius maddox is the only one benching close to 800LBS/363KG. - 20 years from now there is not much of a difference the human body can only take so much.
@@brucepower3429 The same thing is always said in every field of performance. 4 minute mile. 2 hour marathon. deadlift world records. any football statistical category. homeruns in baseball. bodybuilders looking like they were designed by Stan Lee... inconceivable things are often limited by the illusion of their inconceivable nature. If 900 lb deadlifts are becoming common today, that would imply that 1000 lb deadlifts will be common in time, and then 1100 and so forth...the human body is limited by factors of our understanding of it and how it interacts with the force of gravity, both physical and figurative. It's the main reason we are still on earth; we love to push shit to the edge.
@@markwelden7393 The four minute mile was broken 50 years ago. If what you’re saying made sense we would have seen a 3 minute mile by now, or hell why not a 2 minute mile? But in reality the record has only dropped 16 seconds and that was done back in 1999 with no progress since. So in reality there are limits to human performance and we won’t know what they are until the records stagnate for a long period of time. We could be right on the cusp of that point or it could be a ways off still.
@@timk8258 look at the mile record progression up until 4 min...look at how many high school kids have blasted through a 4 minute mile with ease in the last 25 years. Prior to 2000 there was 3 of them. Post 2000 there have been 15+ children that have gone sub-4. what I am saying absolutely makes sense when you know anything about how much a single fraction of a second matters in middle distance and short distance running, as well as even elite long distance running. there are certainly limits to what the human body is capable of, I just don't think we are anywhere near them. there was a 9 year gap between 4:10 and 4:09...and another 9 year gap between 4:01 and 3:59. a 25 year gap between 3:43 and 3:42 seems entirely reasonable and given the value of a 1 second drop in that time - it's a quantum leap to anyone that is a middle distance runner at that level. Record progressions usually involve lulls and then bursts; there are a multitude of factors involved in this, but to assume that we have seen the last burst of say, 5 new WR's in the mile in 5 years, is pretty silly to me - particularly considering that the mile is a freedom unit race that is run virtually solely in America. If you consider the rate of which people get to 900 lbs deadlift, and how that rate has blown up in the last few years, I fail to see how I am far off in suggesting that we are going to see some insane lifts in 20 years. Feel free to refer back to this thread in 2044...I'm happy to engage in this conversation to boost Pete in the algo, however. So thanks for taking the time to respond.
Over my 35 years of training I personally have observed a higher drop off from the gym with the enhanced guys compared to naturals... (I trained in a hardcore powerlifting/bodybuilding gym) I'm impressed that you have managed to transition to drug free lifting...
Loved the analysis. I always think about something you said years ago in a vid. You said the same thing as you said in this video: where did the big name guys go? They fell off the face of the earth. You said that competitive powerlifting isn't a long term sport. I still think about Jesse Norris a lot. Where did Richard The Ant Hawthorne go? That guy was a piece of work. I felt the same things as you when I was watching the Ghost Clash meet. Who are these guys? I recognized more coaches than athletes which is weird, e.g. Joe Sullivan. Maybe because competitors "retire" into coaching/handling roles as time goes on? Which is awesome and noble to help the younger generation. The old Animal athletes like Brandon Lilly. The Lillibridge brothers, Andrey Malanichev, and all that. Some of these guys who are still semi-active on IG, you can see they're waaaaaay lighter than they were in the mid 2010s era. It's pretty humbling to see these guys "step down" and recognize the other aspects of life which deserve more attention, e.g. family, kids, etc. I always like your analyses. Good luck with your operation.
People like Jamal spend more time traveling and milking the business side of the sport and can’t get a good steady training cycle. I saw coming in he was doing so many gymshark events around a bunch of broccoli headed kids that his meet would suffer. Glad to see his deadlift, but realistically he should have been much higher at this point.
I dunno if he was necessarily "scaring people off". But whenever I saw Larry was showing up to a meet you knew he was winning, if not setting a new WR.
It's like the Chinese teams in weightlifting- often times people commit their entire lives in training knowing that they are competing for 2nd place at best.
John is unreal, scary to think he gets his bench back to the 600lbs range he will be hitting over 2300! Would love to see someone like Brian Shaw organize a huge powerlifting event like he has with strongman to get more big names competing and more attention on the sport.
I think what happens more often is that people quickly increase in popularity because of their rise to the top and then they let too many people get in their head, make changes to something that's not broken, and then backslide. I remember watching videos of Julius Maddox, where he got to the mid 700s bench from just bro training 3x10 three times per week without putting much thought into his training. Then he gets with Wenning and makes massive changes to his training style and regresses. Same with Ray Williams.
I think you are totally right. That is also the big reason why I enjoy tested lifting a lot more - there are people that literally compete since 10-15-20 years and are still strong, healthy and at the top. Look at Sam Watt for example - guy is 50+ years old with a 850+ total. Insane!
I think the reason john is able to compete year in and year out is because he started as a tested lifter. He already had a base of strength before hopping on. The rapid progress people make on peds leads to injuries. John made most of his progress naturally.
I think Olympic lifting will gain more steam in this country thanks to Crossfit and the fact that we have some elite Americans for a change. It seems like more of a sport to the average person too due to the presentation and the fact that most people can't fathom throwing any sort of weight overhead let alone 150 kg.....
In the powerlifting world, it’s the Sheffield effect, a lot more of the powerlifting eyes are on the drug tested side as it’s more relatable. Also we have drug tested lifters out totalling untested lifters with harsher standards which in my opinion is more impressive.
Drug tests are easy to pass it doesn’t mean anything. If professional organizations like the NFL has people passing testing and they make billions of dollars compared to a poor sport like bodybuilding and powerlifting, what makes you think people in drug tested federations like Russ can passing testing. You can’t be this gullible to believe that Russ Orhii is natural.
Hey Pete, I have a question that might make a good video. I want to balance running and strength training. My thinking is with the 80/20 rule, I’d be happy if I could make decent gains in both areas. I would love to DL 500 and run a decent 5k. My plan is to rotate strength and endurance blocks - 8-12 weeks each. During the endurance block, I will increase mileage by 10-15% each week, and try to maintain strength. Maybe even make upper body gains. For the strength block, I will cut back my weekly miles by 25%, and only run slow miles. Obviously I would run into a cap. Maybe I would stop adding miles between 25-40 miles a week? I really don’t know. My question is, what would the best way to maintain as much strength as possible during an endurance block? I know calories, sleep, and all things recovery will be important. What do you think about 10 sets of 3 each week for Squats and DL? I figured I would split them into two workouts, and rotate which one I do first. Thank you for everything you put out. You are an inspiration, and I really appreciate it! I live in Chattanooga, and I would love to come train in your gym sometime!
I generally stopped caring about who is winning what or what record is broken, I believe you mentioned comparison is the thief of joy or something similar in one of your videos about progress/drugs in the sport, So I just focus on my journey or wife/friends goals if/when I can assist them. It helps greatly for mentality, good luck with the kidney stone procedure and thank you for all the great content over the years.
I have experience on both sides of that coin, but I will say it is the intensity and volume of training (that PEDs allow you to do) that causes the burnout.
If you haven’t looked into this kid named Colton Engelbrecht, do it. He’s the John Haack of 242. Almost matching Jamal on deadlift through various rep ranges, and can out bench and squat Jamal’s all time PRs. He’ll be the next male to record a dots of 630+
most fascinating thing about haack is how calm he is when I was first introduced to powerlifting I saw gigantic muscled & fat people getting crazy before every major lift hyping themselves hitting or get hit by other lifters blasting metal music and blood just dripping from their bodies but for john is was just another tuesday
I watched raw lifting get big then fade, I watched CrossFit come and go. Id say people are less interested in big numbers and more interested in all around fitness. But the elephant in the room is people overall are just less active, a lot of us grew up playing football and Track. Sports are essentially competing with TikTok on what a kid rather spend their time on. Kids only want to lift weights so they can become a star on social media which also involves them hopping on steroids as well, not much of an in-between.
@@SinnedNogara starting around 2015 or so. That was the end of the "Golden Age" of raw lifting. When in a short period of time guys like Pete, George Leeman, Dan Green, Jeremy Hamilton, Lilliebridge, San Byrd, Brandon Lilly, etc. all sterted to exit the sport in a short timeframe for one reason or another.
@@adrianpap1374 Way more people compete in raw lifting now than they did in 2015, and they're lifting much heavier weights. Raw lifting will probably fade eventually, but it's extremely popular now.
So there are realistically like 5-6 “big meets” for untested lifting now, I think combined with the wait lists even after qualifying DOTS the fact that it isn’t purely invitational and there are more meets spread throughout the country plays a big roll. Back in the day like you said there were like 2 big meets a year, and there generally there weren’t many and there was a bigger gap in who could actually be competitive at them
The crazy thing, that has been said many times before but it doesn't cost to repeat it- is that most of the Powerlifters today are dudes that fell in love with the sport after "failing" in football, imagine when that level of genetics show up to the party.
Colton Engelbrecht will be interesting to follow in coming years. He is also massively talented, maybe even as much as John, and his current coach has him training with a focus on perfect form and longevity, doing less main movements and a lot more accessories and form work
You, Steve Johnson, Ben Pollack, Cailer Woolam, Dan Green, and Daniel Clancy will probably always be top of my list for the Golden age of powerlifting.
Yeah, but also other competitors should be honoured to be able to compete with John and as fans of the sport should appreciate the chance to watch him lift live and talk to him.
It makes sense that his grip held IMO. Regardless of what works best for him specifically, conventional and highbar are inarguably less efficient movement patterns compensated for by his strength and grip is also just straight forward strength and one of those things where you can just see how much purely stronger he is than anyone else
I think the issue is a lot of untested lifters make it a contest for how much stuff they can take to lift more weight. There’s a difference between someone maybe on TRT for instance, and someone blasting grams of PEDS. Many of them unfortunately are heavily abusing the PEDs since there are no rules limiting them
I’d argue that we don’t necessarily see as much talent going into untested in general. Especially with Sheffield & the the increase in prize money in tested lifting, you just don’t get people wanting to give up their natty card nor needing to. My lifter took third overall at the Ghost Clash and got just $1250 for it. There’s local USAPL meets with that type of prize money available now. If you want the talent, I’d say the next thing to bring it in would be a better overall prize pool OR a new way of putting on these meets that doesn’t give John the auto win (no hate to John, he’s insane).
I haven’t thought about this in terms of tested lifting, but I have noticed lifters have much shorter primes now than they did 20 years. I thought it was to do with equipped versus raw. Twenty years ago you had veterans with their joints all beat up still doing astronomical numbers because of the equipment. Don’t see that now obvs. But maybe it has something to do with testing as well, good point.
ABS clash next weekend in Dublin has big names! also has the potential to have the heaviest podium ever ! Untested powerlifting is alive and well in Europe
I see it more as tested powerlifting is thriving (in large part thanks to SBD and Sheffield) and untested powerlifting is definitely dwindling. But given everything we in the lifting community know about anabolics and the cons, is that really a bad thing? Not saying it should go away but I think that not being at the forefront is how it should be.
Personally I think that the untested guys of the late 2000s early 2010s like the lilibridges, Dan green, and Brandon Lilly along with sponsors like animal did a great job of building momentum for the raw side of powerlifting. About 8-10 years ago you saw the guard sort of get changed by the tested lifters and the likes of candito doing there part to build the sport. Anytime you make something more relatable (raw powerlifting in general) and attainable(drug tested competition), there will be more interest to compete. And of course you have to give flowers to the torch carriers today(Russ is in a class of his own from a marketing standpoint). But Bobb and Craynon are making pushes as well to be huge influencers of the sport.
Hey Pete, question do you ever get the feeling of having one more run at it, do one more meet? Getting on some TRT and using Anavar as your go to for meet prep. I think now with your level of maturity and knowledge you can beat your old records.
Pete am I correct that John isn't exactly built for deadlifts? He is like myself, more built for bench, his leverages don't look suited. Similar to Eddie Hall who was also a great deadlifter and presser Now I'm no top lifter, but my leverages weren't great for deadlifting, but in time I made it my top lift My point of the comment, is too many guys hide behind the excuse of leverages. I have seen guys with scary long arms that could still bench amazing weight and guys with shorter arms still being good deadlifters No matter what level we lift, we should try our best to be as well rounded as possible
He has long arms. He’s built better for deadlift than bench, but of course he has a world class bench. Take a look at the angles behind his knees and at his hips when he starts the pull-they’re relatively “open”. That’s a good position to start a deadlift in; he’s built for deadlifts. The bench is more anomolous.
On second look he appears to be proportionate, maybe just being so stacked and relatively short made it seem like his as where shorter Definitely wouldn't say they are long
@@Bigramt, we can argue about it back and forth forever, but the key to a good conventional deadlift is open angles behind the knee and at hips, usually caused by relatively long arms and shorter torso. He doesn’t have Lamar Gant arms, but his arms are long for someone who has benched 500+ routinely at 198 lbs. Compare him to literally anyone else who benches 500+ at that body weight. I’m aware he now trains at 218 or so, but he was one of the best natural lifters of all time at 181, and when he was thinner, it was easier to see that his arms are pretty long for that weight (or 198). Maliek Derstine (a monster at 181/198) is an example Of someone with short arms (because he’s short). Haack isn’t short for the 198 weight class.
I've seen this in my country too with countless of tested and untested lifters in the last 9 years they all disappeared because of jobs or having a family etc. - In both cases i believe that being burned out from lifting plays a role too i must say that using roids will probably burn you out quicker i remember eric lilliebridge smashing pr's after pr's when he was 300LBS his videos will forever motivate me. - I remember george leeman being absolutely on fire too there is not much left from that time when it comes to the names that were going around. - I must say that the IPF will probably take it all over because even the weight classes from the women are competitive.
After watching John's performance and listening to your commentary, I think that it's a rare individual who can sustain a non-tested regimen due to the effects of using PEDs. That may account for the limited shelf-life at the elite level; altering your body's chemistry carries a price.
Young people getting into powerlifting prefer the tested lifters, the IPF is now the gold standard due to being more relatable, excellent Media marketing and actually some money. The federation, their lifters and associated brands are right up on the social media game. The ghost clash was hard to follow they way they arrange flights where as an IPF comp is a bit quicker and easier to watch with The Sheffield being the most entertaining (I still find it a bit dry). The young dudes in my gym only know of the tested guys, they dont even know who Luke Toleman is who is a local guy that benches 260kg untested but they will know some European B group 83kg lifter. I think ABS PRO is the best untested platform at the moment and they keep it entertaining.
The problem is that everyone just do drugs those days. There are no big freak names in the sport because there are 20 people on socials that do little bit less than best guys. Also IPF is a joke.
As powerlifting has gotten more popular and we get further and further away from the west side era the entire sport has swung more towards the tested IPF side. Not just in terms of numbers but in terms of online content. There are tons of IPF centric podcasts, youtubers, IG accounts, etc etc. The tested guys have done so much more content creation outside of meets themselves, then you have the big push from SBD. It has funnelled money and attention to that side. Also we know as much as drugs are a limiting factor in untested lifter longevity so is selection bias for personalities. As a whole untested lifters are much more chaotic, and focused on the short term. That doesnt lend itself well to a long career.
I’m more interested in tested ipf lifting compared to untested. A lot of untested competitions arent judged to the same standard as the ipf. Ipf also use stiff bar not kabuki bar. World class tested competition I’m more interested in.
A 22mm stone?!?! That’s nuts! Is that the cause of your stomach upset? I have passed a 3 mm and a 4mm stone before and both were miserable. They are going in?
Could you do a video on back injuries or bpc 157. Got a disc herniation/bulging and trying everything to get back to being virile and active. Tried almaot everything and little improvement
I also think it’s just the mentality of today’s youth/men anymore. I can remember either squatting or benching 4 days a week, following that by eating as much as I could, whenever I could. Now… it just seems like a good majority of the 18-20 year olds have no desire to do the work behind the scenes but hope that some anavar turns them into Arnold..
Used to watch this guy George Leeman or something like this. Unreal deadlifter, mentality off the rocker really bad - probably from anabolics. Ran off to Thailand and the Internet never heard of him anymore. But this burn out is not limited to untested it is the same in tested as well.
Powerlifting doesn’t have the same emotion passion it once had Now it’s just all about the highest dots Who has what specific barbell No personality’s More elitist If it’s not raw without wraps your lifts mean nothing it has to be in sleeves The mindset is different to the point while all the new lifts that we are seeing is amazing but it isn’t as enjoyable same as with this meet this past weekend
I agree. i dont think the competitors want to lose. You get that reality check that if you can't beat the best, why do it... i want to compete against John and lose juat to say i competed against the best lifter. Ill still get pissed about getting obliterated by 2 of his lifts😂. I get pissed when my training inst 💯 but it would still be fun.
I think if they are truly a star...I wouldn't need to pay attention to the powerlifting circle to know their name. The names Pete mentioned I've heard one way or another and I don't follow them at all; but strong lifters these days (is there any weak lifters these days?) that are famous? I think I only know a handful...
I just think now people don’t need to compete to show off their skills, when everyday they post their lifts on social media. Lifting has become an ego driven enterprise fueled by views and likes.
Massive difference between tested PLing and the Olympics. Tested PLing is dominated by countries with independent drug testing, athletes that don't make a lot of money, and are subject to real out of contest testing. There are no large scale political factors, or huge corporations with millions of dollars of ads riding on athletes. Could this change down the road, sure. But for now it's very likely the top IPF guys from North America and Western Europe are natty.
@@dantethunderstone2118 sure thing let's use some logic. The population of tested lifters is so much higher than untested I'm not sure if people understand. Worldwide there's probably what 10 times the number of natty lifters? 50 times? So immediately you'd expect the top lifters to be far more genetically talented. On top of that the training, nutrition, and coaching in untested is notably worse. And finally something I don't think gets talked about. Untested lifting might actually create a negative selection bias because extremely talented natural lifters can progress so quickly they don't see the point of hopping on a ton of gear. The sport is way too young and fragmented to have a perfectly efficient breakdown of talent.
@@yaroslav64first of all, there’s way more people on peds than you think. Second, most untested lifters start off as tested lifters just like John haack who I believe was likely natural when he competed tested then he switched to untested when he started juicing. Someone like Jesus though, I believ started off natural, obviously, and then realized he was strong as fk and squatted over 700lbs. Then he put 150lbs on his squat in a year. You might say what’s the big deal with that? I put 150lbs on my squat in the past year. Jesus went from 750 to 900 in a year and he had already been lifting for over 7 years. And since then he’s put another 150lbs on his squat. In the span of 3 years he added almost 300lbs to his squat, now in at least his 10th year lifting. That should set off Alarm bells in anyone who knows how progression works head. You can claim it’s just genetics but that would suggest someone with similar genetics and steroid should be significantly stronger but he is the strongest powerlifter ever
Thank you sir! I've been training to run 100 miles in under 35 hours in the mountains. 2 months left to go till the race and then I'll put some size back on. I've been off PEDs as well for 3.5 years. Bodyweight is still 205 lbs!
how come NFL has plenty of steroid users with long careers but not in power lifting? I think the sport might just be boring and not enough money to stick around.
Powerliting is becoming a joke and people don't care about it as much. The 'burnout' comes from getting sick of seeing everyone and their grandma think they're a pOwErLiFtEr and realizing there's no point in putting your body through hell to hit big lifts when the majority of hype, sponsorship deals, attention/recognition is for tiktok zoomers with totals around 800-1100. People just get mad and jealous when they see big lifts that are beyond the reach of most people, but they fuckin love to watch normie level shit. Ties in with everyone thinking 315/225/405 is strong.
With regards to john haack: -the difference is his “take all” mentality . -all the top tested lifters (except Blake lehew) , refuse to transition over to peds . It’s their own moral choices which is fair but they remain doing the same competitions each year, winning nationals multiple times etc They stay where they are -Blake actually beat John’s world record at 83 and holds it still . -so yeah. John deserves it. his mentality is bigger . -- In terms of powerlifting ? It’s just the lifting lifestyle . Similar to bodybuilding , getting fit, looking good . I’m happy for those that can make a good living from it . Not many can . a very few amount can.
Wow, Pete, just unreal, I have never met anyone with such hate and envy in their heart. Bro, you blasted yourself into a catastrophic failure of your body and you were never that good or strong. Now the only time I see you you are bashing the powerlifting community. Really, this is the only way you can make a living?? Trashing other people??
Lol you must be playin. Pete is one of the kindest realest dudes in the game and the way other lifters and athletes speak to and of him speaks volumes on this.
Yes, true but you always say what you lift at the weight you weighed in at and with 24hr weigh ins you can fluctuate a lot in BW the next day for a meet.
The best deadlifter I have seen was Konstantin Konstantinovs and John equalled his 426kg deadlift @ 93kg. That is extraordinary.
Rest in peace KK
THIS IS MY FUCKING BELT. RIP KK
@100 kg but still a record...
Pete himself was my deadlift idol years ago. He was doing non peaked beltless 535x14, 565x12 from a dead stop.
I think in a lot of ways we are seeing a reset similar to 2014 in favor of the IPF. Just with 10x the talent and better media. The USAPL is now crumbling after a shoddy Arnold, untested is hard to follow, and Sheffield was far better than I expected as a viewer. 2020-2022 was probably the most wide open powerlifting has been, and now order is returning. The next generation of Haack wont even bother going untested and everything will be pushed more into tested as it centralizes. IPF will finally have everything - Better media - more money - historic prestige.
Let's hope so. Untested sports will forever remain niche. IPF imo is more relatable to a broader audience. Also, with the strict technical rules and stiff bar it's much better than some of the fuckery in other federations. It offers a long term frame of reference.
Untested lifters also seem to have more severe injuries, which causes them to take longer breaks, so they seem to disappear
Very true. The injuries ramp up big time.
This is absolutely true the push in gear(💉) and size is always causing a burn-out or injuries.
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I remember that guy from the UK luke richardson when he lifted in the IPF the guy was on fire after it he did go to strongman and start to use and at the young age of 25 he had so many injuries(bicep tear lat tear hamstring tear) that it's almost sad to see.
@@brucepower3429 I have been following Luke since his IPF days and it is extremely sad. He has great potential but each time he gets strong, he tears something.
@@brucepower3429strongman has an inherently higher injury risk due to there being more than 3 lifts to train for most of which are less stable
And even ipf lifters are enhanced
@@mongoosekhan3079I met luke a few times what's happened to him is shocking he teared his bicep then had knee surgery comes back tears his lat comes back tears same bicep comes back tears his hamstring all those injuries needed surgery I feel bad for him he come Into strong man with a bang winning Europe strongest man he was nicknamed the future his body has gave up fair play too him if he comes back but from my own experience he will get hurt again it's hard to say I'm done my body which was once the strongest in the world for his age and still is
I think the boom in talent these days causes a somewhat lack of interest because every day on social media we see random lifters put up outrageous numbers. It makes it hard to get a scope of just how strong the best guys are now. Every big lift is no longer a specific number in our minds so much as it's just "some ridiculous amount."
True
I don’t even keep up with lifters outside of my clients and guys at my gym anymore so I get that. I’m just not as interested either
Jesse norris would still be a force to deal with in powerlifting, but career, kids, loss of passion caught up to him.
You could imagine my surprise at my first local comp when my paltry 505 total at 82.1 got me a gold.
@@tv26889 I thought he got injured? But yeah can't blame him, at some point as a man with a family, you need to make some real money.
The thing pete is that lifting in your peak was more about passion and heart, in a way now it feels more about numbers. Remember watchig montage videos of you, dan green or george leeman, eric lillebridge etc. It seems similar to european soccer you know the quality of players is maybe higher than in the past but just the charisma is not even there anymore, there is no more substance. I am italian and the difference between our soccer team that won 2006 world cup and the one we have now just says it all. In that old team they looked like fucking aged warriors, now its just soulless. Powerlifting feels the same, as all the world to be honest. Better athletes with better numbers but less soul, less heart and less passion. You have alsways been my favourite lifter, not because you were the strongest but because i could feel your passion and would get goosebumps seeing your lifts with dmx in the background. It just the whole vibe was way more magical back then, you guys nearly looked like heroes to me in a way ;)
Really solid explanation. Couldn’t agree more!
Pete, its that powerlifting when you were doing it wasn't even really a sport. It was more of a way of life, an artisting way of expressing pain i could say. There was a beauty in it beyond what it is becoming now for the most part: just another sport.
Well said
Less heart and less passion? Wtf? Have you talked to all of them to make such bold claims? How can you even strive to be the best without heart or passion about a thing, in this case sport? Ain’t nobody at the top just for the bigger numbers, that can’t be possible. They have to love the sport for long enough to learn to be patient in order to get strong/be the strongest. Your assessment is false or at least I strongly disagree with.
@@derherr8498i can understand why you disagree, but i just cant change my feeling about things in the world right now: everything is becoming more robotic, mechanic, more efficent maybe but with way less soul and individuality. Powerlifting feels the same.
Just watch at the passion of george leeman, pete, dan green, brandon lilly. It wasnt even a sport for them, it was a way of living. Now great athletes but meh.... something feels just different.
I think the fact that John Haack was a top tested lifter before switching to untested is a huge factor in why he competes yearly, it's not like he doesn't get injured or fatigued like everyone else
John Haack is un-freakin-real. What's more crazy is to think that the measurable trajectory of human improvement in any area of performance is going to leave us with absolutely comical things happening in powerlifting 20 years from now.
Not really at this point seeing 700LBS to 1000LBS deadlifts or squats on or off the platform are becoming "normal" but that's it i remember when 400KG was a big deal that became "normal" but the weights past that are still difficult to achieve on a consistent basis even 400KG is difficult on a consistent basis.
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Eddie his 500KG was in 2016 only thor and jamal did it 8 years later ray williams is still the only one who did 490KG in sleeves julius maddox is the only one benching close to 800LBS/363KG.
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20 years from now there is not much of a difference the human body can only take so much.
@@brucepower3429 The same thing is always said in every field of performance. 4 minute mile. 2 hour marathon. deadlift world records. any football statistical category. homeruns in baseball. bodybuilders looking like they were designed by Stan Lee... inconceivable things are often limited by the illusion of their inconceivable nature. If 900 lb deadlifts are becoming common today, that would imply that 1000 lb deadlifts will be common in time, and then 1100 and so forth...the human body is limited by factors of our understanding of it and how it interacts with the force of gravity, both physical and figurative. It's the main reason we are still on earth; we love to push shit to the edge.
@@markwelden7393 you believe what you want i respect it have a great day.
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@@markwelden7393 The four minute mile was broken 50 years ago. If what you’re saying made sense we would have seen a 3 minute mile by now, or hell why not a 2 minute mile? But in reality the record has only dropped 16 seconds and that was done back in 1999 with no progress since. So in reality there are limits to human performance and we won’t know what they are until the records stagnate for a long period of time. We could be right on the cusp of that point or it could be a ways off still.
@@timk8258 look at the mile record progression up until 4 min...look at how many high school kids have blasted through a 4 minute mile with ease in the last 25 years. Prior to 2000 there was 3 of them. Post 2000 there have been 15+ children that have gone sub-4. what I am saying absolutely makes sense when you know anything about how much a single fraction of a second matters in middle distance and short distance running, as well as even elite long distance running. there are certainly limits to what the human body is capable of, I just don't think we are anywhere near them. there was a 9 year gap between 4:10 and 4:09...and another 9 year gap between 4:01 and 3:59. a 25 year gap between 3:43 and 3:42 seems entirely reasonable and given the value of a 1 second drop in that time - it's a quantum leap to anyone that is a middle distance runner at that level. Record progressions usually involve lulls and then bursts; there are a multitude of factors involved in this, but to assume that we have seen the last burst of say, 5 new WR's in the mile in 5 years, is pretty silly to me - particularly considering that the mile is a freedom unit race that is run virtually solely in America. If you consider the rate of which people get to 900 lbs deadlift, and how that rate has blown up in the last few years, I fail to see how I am far off in suggesting that we are going to see some insane lifts in 20 years. Feel free to refer back to this thread in 2044...I'm happy to engage in this conversation to boost Pete in the algo, however. So thanks for taking the time to respond.
Over my 35 years of training I personally have observed a higher drop off from the gym with the enhanced guys compared to naturals... (I trained in a hardcore powerlifting/bodybuilding gym) I'm impressed that you have managed to transition to drug free lifting...
Loved the analysis. I always think about something you said years ago in a vid. You said the same thing as you said in this video: where did the big name guys go? They fell off the face of the earth. You said that competitive powerlifting isn't a long term sport. I still think about Jesse Norris a lot. Where did Richard The Ant Hawthorne go? That guy was a piece of work. I felt the same things as you when I was watching the Ghost Clash meet. Who are these guys? I recognized more coaches than athletes which is weird, e.g. Joe Sullivan. Maybe because competitors "retire" into coaching/handling roles as time goes on? Which is awesome and noble to help the younger generation. The old Animal athletes like Brandon Lilly. The Lillibridge brothers, Andrey Malanichev, and all that. Some of these guys who are still semi-active on IG, you can see they're waaaaaay lighter than they were in the mid 2010s era. It's pretty humbling to see these guys "step down" and recognize the other aspects of life which deserve more attention, e.g. family, kids, etc. I always like your analyses. Good luck with your operation.
It’s comparable to when an nfl offensive lineman retires and loses 80 lbs like Joe Thomas
People like Jamal spend more time traveling and milking the business side of the sport and can’t get a good steady training cycle. I saw coming in he was doing so many gymshark events around a bunch of broccoli headed kids that his meet would suffer. Glad to see his deadlift, but realistically he should have been much higher at this point.
I dunno if he was necessarily "scaring people off". But whenever I saw Larry was showing up to a meet you knew he was winning, if not setting a new WR.
It's like the Chinese teams in weightlifting- often times people commit their entire lives in training knowing that they are competing for 2nd place at best.
I’d say more so they don’t want to bother spending the money traveling for these meets John is at
If Larry had never hopped on the sauce he'd be another Bobb Matthews and still in
John is unreal, scary to think he gets his bench back to the 600lbs range he will be hitting over 2300!
Would love to see someone like Brian Shaw organize a huge powerlifting event like he has with strongman
to get more big names competing and more attention on the sport.
Best of luck with your surgery man. I just had my gallbladder out 2 weeks ago and I feel so much better.
Just to mention that (at least) two women, Denise Herber and Hunter Henderson, both set WR at the Ghost Clash.
Very true! They are strong as can be!
If you watch John's meet recap he said they kept fucking up his rack height for his squats
I think what happens more often is that people quickly increase in popularity because of their rise to the top and then they let too many people get in their head, make changes to something that's not broken, and then backslide.
I remember watching videos of Julius Maddox, where he got to the mid 700s bench from just bro training 3x10 three times per week without putting much thought into his training. Then he gets with Wenning and makes massive changes to his training style and regresses.
Same with Ray Williams.
Maddox is coached by Josh Bryant i thought?
@@Chasing340kg He was being coached by Wenning when he was backsliding.
I think you are totally right. That is also the big reason why I enjoy tested lifting a lot more - there are people that literally compete since 10-15-20 years and are still strong, healthy and at the top. Look at Sam Watt for example - guy is 50+ years old with a 850+ total. Insane!
I think the reason john is able to compete year in and year out is because he started as a tested lifter. He already had a base of strength before hopping on. The rapid progress people make on peds leads to injuries. John made most of his progress naturally.
I think Olympic lifting will gain more steam in this country thanks to Crossfit and the fact that we have some elite Americans for a change. It seems like more of a sport to the average person too due to the presentation and the fact that most people can't fathom throwing any sort of weight overhead let alone 150 kg.....
In the powerlifting world, it’s the Sheffield effect, a lot more of the powerlifting eyes are on the drug tested side as it’s more relatable. Also we have drug tested lifters out totalling untested lifters with harsher standards which in my opinion is more impressive.
Drug tests are easy to pass it doesn’t mean anything. If professional organizations like the NFL has people passing testing and they make billions of dollars compared to a poor sport like bodybuilding and powerlifting, what makes you think people in drug tested federations like Russ can passing testing. You can’t be this gullible to believe that Russ Orhii is natural.
I like your rawness! You feel like a real person - which is hard to find these days.
Hey Pete, I have a question that might make a good video.
I want to balance running and strength training. My thinking is with the 80/20 rule, I’d be happy if I could make decent gains in both areas. I would love to DL 500 and run a decent 5k.
My plan is to rotate strength and endurance blocks - 8-12 weeks each. During the endurance block, I will increase mileage by 10-15% each week, and try to maintain strength. Maybe even make upper body gains.
For the strength block, I will cut back my weekly miles by 25%, and only run slow miles. Obviously I would run into a cap. Maybe I would stop adding miles between 25-40 miles a week? I really don’t know.
My question is, what would the best way to maintain as much strength as possible during an endurance block? I know calories, sleep, and all things recovery will be important. What do you think about 10 sets of 3 each week for Squats and DL? I figured I would split them into two workouts, and rotate which one I do first.
Thank you for everything you put out. You are an inspiration, and I really appreciate it! I live in Chattanooga, and I would love to come train in your gym sometime!
I generally stopped caring about who is winning what or what record is broken, I believe you mentioned comparison is the thief of joy or something similar in one of your videos about progress/drugs in the sport, So I just focus on my journey or wife/friends goals if/when I can assist them. It helps greatly for mentality, good luck with the kidney stone procedure and thank you for all the great content over the years.
I have experience on both sides of that coin, but I will say it is the intensity and volume of training (that PEDs allow you to do) that causes the burnout.
If you haven’t looked into this kid named Colton Engelbrecht, do it. He’s the John Haack of 242. Almost matching Jamal on deadlift through various rep ranges, and can out bench and squat Jamal’s all time PRs. He’ll be the next male to record a dots of 630+
most fascinating thing about haack is how calm he is when I was first introduced to powerlifting I saw gigantic muscled & fat people getting crazy before every major lift hyping themselves hitting or get hit by other lifters blasting metal music and blood just dripping from their bodies but for john is was just another tuesday
I watched raw lifting get big then fade, I watched CrossFit come and go. Id say people are less interested in big numbers and more interested in all around fitness. But the elephant in the room is people overall are just less active, a lot of us grew up playing football and Track. Sports are essentially competing with TikTok on what a kid rather spend their time on. Kids only want to lift weights so they can become a star on social media which also involves them hopping on steroids as well, not much of an in-between.
I think this is a very reasonable explanation. I’ve noticed a big of a shift to more drug-free lifting and all around health as well.
When did raw lifting fade?
@@SinnedNogara starting around 2015 or so. That was the end of the "Golden Age" of raw lifting. When in a short period of time guys like Pete, George Leeman, Dan Green, Jeremy Hamilton, Lilliebridge, San Byrd, Brandon Lilly, etc. all sterted to exit the sport in a short timeframe for one reason or another.
@@adrianpap1374 Way more people compete in raw lifting now than they did in 2015, and they're lifting much heavier weights. Raw lifting will probably fade eventually, but it's extremely popular now.
@Erebosmagnus maybe more competitors, but it's less popular in terms of fans. Can you name any IPF or USAPL current champs?
So there are realistically like 5-6 “big meets” for untested lifting now, I think combined with the wait lists even after qualifying DOTS the fact that it isn’t purely invitational and there are more meets spread throughout the country plays a big roll.
Back in the day like you said there were like 2 big meets a year, and there generally there weren’t many and there was a bigger gap in who could actually be competitive at them
The crazy thing, that has been said many times before but it doesn't cost to repeat it- is that most of the Powerlifters today are dudes that fell in love with the sport after "failing" in football, imagine when that level of genetics show up to the party.
Let’s freaking goooo!
Next stop 10k
Colton Engelbrecht will be interesting to follow in coming years. He is also massively talented, maybe even as much as John, and his current coach has him training with a focus on
perfect form and longevity, doing less main movements and a lot more accessories and form work
I recently found out that there is such a thing as "tested equipped lifting"! Talk about spoiling the fun!
You, Steve Johnson, Ben Pollack, Cailer Woolam, Dan Green, and Daniel Clancy will probably always be top of my list for the Golden age of powerlifting.
John is specimen. Its pure madness. And guess what? He still getting stronger
Yeah, but also other competitors should be honoured to be able to compete with John and as fans of the sport should appreciate the chance to watch him lift live and talk to him.
It makes sense that his grip held IMO. Regardless of what works best for him specifically, conventional and highbar are inarguably less efficient movement patterns compensated for by his strength and grip is also just straight forward strength and one of those things where you can just see how much purely stronger he is than anyone else
I think a lot of people realize how much work it will take for them to achieve their goals and how little reward there is in return for that work.
Good video Pete!
I think the issue is a lot of untested lifters make it a contest for how much stuff they can take to lift more weight. There’s a difference between someone maybe on TRT for instance, and someone blasting grams of PEDS.
Many of them unfortunately are heavily abusing the PEDs since there are no rules limiting them
I’d argue that we don’t necessarily see as much talent going into untested in general. Especially with Sheffield & the the increase in prize money in tested lifting, you just don’t get people wanting to give up their natty card nor needing to. My lifter took third overall at the Ghost Clash and got just $1250 for it. There’s local USAPL meets with that type of prize money available now. If you want the talent, I’d say the next thing to bring it in would be a better overall prize pool OR a new way of putting on these meets that doesn’t give John the auto win (no hate to John, he’s insane).
I knew this was coming will definitely watch the full video later .
I haven’t thought about this in terms of tested lifting, but I have noticed lifters have much shorter primes now than they did 20 years. I thought it was to do with equipped versus raw. Twenty years ago you had veterans with their joints all beat up still doing astronomical numbers because of the equipment. Don’t see that now obvs. But maybe it has something to do with testing as well, good point.
ABS clash next weekend in Dublin has big names! also has the potential to have the heaviest podium ever ! Untested powerlifting is alive and well in Europe
Pete seems a bit ignorant of the rest of the world,only knows what goes on in the good ol USA
I see it more as tested powerlifting is thriving (in large part thanks to SBD and Sheffield) and untested powerlifting is definitely dwindling. But given everything we in the lifting community know about anabolics and the cons, is that really a bad thing? Not saying it should go away but I think that not being at the forefront is how it should be.
Personally I think that the untested guys of the late 2000s early 2010s like the lilibridges, Dan green, and Brandon Lilly along with sponsors like animal did a great job of building momentum for the raw side of powerlifting. About 8-10 years ago you saw the guard sort of get changed by the tested lifters and the likes of candito doing there part to build the sport. Anytime you make something more relatable (raw powerlifting in general) and attainable(drug tested competition), there will be more interest to compete. And of course you have to give flowers to the torch carriers today(Russ is in a class of his own from a marketing standpoint). But Bobb and Craynon are making pushes as well to be huge influencers of the sport.
Hey Pete, question do you ever get the feeling of having one more run at it, do one more meet? Getting on some TRT and using Anavar as your go to for meet prep. I think now with your level of maturity and knowledge you can beat your old records.
Pete am I correct that John isn't exactly built for deadlifts? He is like myself, more built for bench, his leverages don't look suited. Similar to Eddie Hall who was also a great deadlifter and presser
Now I'm no top lifter, but my leverages weren't great for deadlifting, but in time I made it my top lift
My point of the comment, is too many guys hide behind the excuse of leverages. I have seen guys with scary long arms that could still bench amazing weight and guys with shorter arms still being good deadlifters
No matter what level we lift, we should try our best to be as well rounded as possible
neither. he seems to be all around proportional, which also matches his well-roundedness
also, yeah. people cope about all sorts of things.
He has long arms. He’s built better for deadlift than bench, but of course he has a world class bench. Take a look at the angles behind his knees and at his hips when he starts the pull-they’re relatively “open”. That’s a good position to start a deadlift in; he’s built for deadlifts. The bench is more anomolous.
On second look he appears to be proportionate, maybe just being so stacked and relatively short made it seem like his as where shorter
Definitely wouldn't say they are long
@@Bigramt, we can argue about it back and forth forever, but the key to a good conventional deadlift is open angles behind the knee and at hips, usually caused by relatively long arms and shorter torso. He doesn’t have Lamar Gant arms, but his arms are long for someone who has benched 500+ routinely at 198 lbs. Compare him to literally anyone else who benches 500+ at that body weight. I’m aware he now trains at 218 or so, but he was one of the best natural lifters of all time at 181, and when he was thinner, it was easier to see that his arms are pretty long for that weight (or 198). Maliek Derstine (a monster at 181/198) is an example
Of someone with short arms (because he’s short). Haack isn’t short for the 198 weight class.
I've seen this in my country too with countless of tested and untested lifters in the last 9 years they all disappeared because of jobs or having a family etc.
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In both cases i believe that being burned out from lifting plays a role too i must say that using roids will probably burn you out quicker i remember eric lilliebridge smashing pr's after pr's when he was 300LBS his videos will forever motivate me.
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I remember george leeman being absolutely on fire too there is not much left from that time when it comes to the names that were going around.
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I must say that the IPF will probably take it all over because even the weight classes from the women are competitive.
After watching John's performance and listening to your commentary, I think that it's a rare individual who can sustain a non-tested regimen due to the effects of using PEDs. That may account for the limited shelf-life at the elite level; altering your body's chemistry carries a price.
Young people getting into powerlifting prefer the tested lifters, the IPF is now the gold standard due to being more relatable, excellent Media marketing and actually some money. The federation, their lifters and associated brands are right up on the social media game. The ghost clash was hard to follow they way they arrange flights where as an IPF comp is a bit quicker and easier to watch with The Sheffield being the most entertaining (I still find it a bit dry). The young dudes in my gym only know of the tested guys, they dont even know who Luke Toleman is who is a local guy that benches 260kg untested but they will know some European B group 83kg lifter. I think ABS PRO is the best untested platform at the moment and they keep it entertaining.
The problem is that everyone just do drugs those days. There are no big freak names in the sport because there are 20 people on socials that do little bit less than best guys. Also IPF is a joke.
As powerlifting has gotten more popular and we get further and further away from the west side era the entire sport has swung more towards the tested IPF side. Not just in terms of numbers but in terms of online content. There are tons of IPF centric podcasts, youtubers, IG accounts, etc etc. The tested guys have done so much more content creation outside of meets themselves, then you have the big push from SBD. It has funnelled money and attention to that side. Also we know as much as drugs are a limiting factor in untested lifter longevity so is selection bias for personalities. As a whole untested lifters are much more chaotic, and focused on the short term. That doesnt lend itself well to a long career.
Did you take down your old videos?
I’m more interested in tested ipf lifting compared to untested. A lot of untested competitions arent judged to the same standard as the ipf. Ipf also use stiff bar not kabuki bar. World class tested competition I’m more interested in.
A 22mm stone?!?! That’s nuts! Is that the cause of your stomach upset? I have passed a 3 mm and a 4mm stone before and both were miserable. They are going in?
Pete, u heard of Mike Burch? A 65 year old pulling 700 conventional at 165 bw.
His name doesn't appear on OP.
The biggest deadlift for a lifter over 60 is 330kg from our very own Terrence Titus
Could you do a video on back injuries or bpc 157. Got a disc herniation/bulging and trying everything to get back to being virile and active. Tried almaot everything and little improvement
I also think it’s just the mentality of today’s youth/men anymore. I can remember either squatting or benching 4 days a week, following that by eating as much as I could, whenever I could. Now… it just seems like a good majority of the 18-20 year olds have no desire to do the work behind the scenes but hope that some anavar turns them into Arnold..
selection bias. the people you see get the most attention is the people that at the very least wanted a lot of attention almosy always
The other big time lifters don’t do the big meets Haack is at because they have no chance to win. The meet is over when Haack signs up.
Good luck with your surgery Pete
Why is it showing this channel as having like 4k subs?
John simply had to hit that to get 2300. He had to. That's all that was on his mind and all he needed to get that extra 10% to give his 110% effort.
All those squats seemed high to me but what do I know.
Used to watch this guy George Leeman or something like this. Unreal deadlifter, mentality off the rocker really bad - probably from anabolics. Ran off to Thailand and the Internet never heard of him anymore. But this burn out is not limited to untested it is the same in tested as well.
Bendy bar and monolift.
Still cant touch Ed Coan.
Powerlifting doesn’t have the same emotion passion it once had
Now it’s just all about the highest dots
Who has what specific barbell
No personality’s
More elitist
If it’s not raw without wraps your lifts mean nothing it has to be in sleeves
The mindset is different to the point while all the new lifts that we are seeing is amazing but it isn’t as enjoyable same as with this meet this past weekend
I don’t know the majority of competitors anymore, either. Seems like powerlifting has gotten less popular.
It's just as popular as ever. Individual people lose interest and it just seems that way to them.
if anything, it's more popular than ever before.
Raw tested powerlifting is more popular than ever. Look at IPF worlds, sheffield numbers or some of the french meets. Untested though might be dying.
I agree. i dont think the competitors want to lose. You get that reality check that if you can't beat the best, why do it... i want to compete against John and lose juat to say i competed against the best lifter. Ill still get pissed about getting obliterated by 2 of his lifts😂. I get pissed when my training inst 💯 but it would still be fun.
I think if they are truly a star...I wouldn't need to pay attention to the powerlifting circle to know their name. The names Pete mentioned I've heard one way or another and I don't follow them at all; but strong lifters these days (is there any weak lifters these days?) that are famous? I think I only know a handful...
I just think now people don’t need to compete to show off their skills, when everyday they post their lifts on social media. Lifting has become an ego driven enterprise fueled by views and likes.
There’s no such thing as natural powerlifting, there’s just tested lifting
If the Olympics is full of people doping then powerlifting is too
Massive difference between tested PLing and the Olympics. Tested PLing is dominated by countries with independent drug testing, athletes that don't make a lot of money, and are subject to real out of contest testing. There are no large scale political factors, or huge corporations with millions of dollars of ads riding on athletes. Could this change down the road, sure. But for now it's very likely the top IPF guys from North America and Western Europe are natty.
@@yaroslav64 you really think they’re stronger naturally than the best enhanced lifters are while enhanced? Use some logic
@@dantethunderstone2118 sure thing let's use some logic. The population of tested lifters is so much higher than untested I'm not sure if people understand. Worldwide there's probably what 10 times the number of natty lifters? 50 times? So immediately you'd expect the top lifters to be far more genetically talented. On top of that the training, nutrition, and coaching in untested is notably worse. And finally something I don't think gets talked about. Untested lifting might actually create a negative selection bias because extremely talented natural lifters can progress so quickly they don't see the point of hopping on a ton of gear. The sport is way too young and fragmented to have a perfectly efficient breakdown of talent.
@@yaroslav64first of all, there’s way more people on peds than you think. Second, most untested lifters start off as tested lifters just like John haack who I believe was likely natural when he competed tested then he switched to untested when he started juicing. Someone like Jesus though, I believ started off natural, obviously, and then realized he was strong as fk and squatted over 700lbs. Then he put 150lbs on his squat in a year. You might say what’s the big deal with that? I put 150lbs on my squat in the past year. Jesus went from 750 to 900 in a year and he had already been lifting for over 7 years. And since then he’s put another 150lbs on his squat. In the span of 3 years he added almost 300lbs to his squat, now in at least his 10th year lifting. That should set off Alarm bells in anyone who knows how progression works head. You can claim it’s just genetics but that would suggest someone with similar genetics and steroid should be significantly stronger but he is the strongest powerlifter ever
Pete?? 😳
have not seen you in years i am shocked Pete you look like a Teenager again !
Thank you sir! I've been training to run 100 miles in under 35 hours in the mountains. 2 months left to go till the race and then I'll put some size back on. I've been off PEDs as well for 3.5 years. Bodyweight is still 205 lbs!
Good luck on surgery
how come NFL has plenty of steroid users with long careers but not in power lifting? I think the sport might just be boring and not enough money to stick around.
Powerliting is becoming a joke and people don't care about it as much. The 'burnout' comes from getting sick of seeing everyone and their grandma think they're a pOwErLiFtEr and realizing there's no point in putting your body through hell to hit big lifts when the majority of hype, sponsorship deals, attention/recognition is for tiktok zoomers with totals around 800-1100. People just get mad and jealous when they see big lifts that are beyond the reach of most people, but they fuckin love to watch normie level shit. Ties in with everyone thinking 315/225/405 is strong.
hey those are around my numbers ouch
With regards to john haack:
-the difference is his “take all” mentality .
-all the top tested lifters (except Blake lehew) , refuse to transition over to peds . It’s their own moral choices which is fair but they remain doing the same competitions each year, winning nationals multiple times etc
They stay where they are
-Blake actually beat John’s world record at 83 and holds it still .
-so yeah. John deserves it. his mentality is bigger .
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In terms of powerlifting ? It’s just the lifting lifestyle . Similar to bodybuilding , getting fit, looking good .
I’m happy for those that can make a good living from it .
Not many can . a very few amount can.
Algo
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Squat depth today is a joke, sorry.
I shouldn't be born at this time, even a 10yo is stronger than me at 20.
pete rubbish 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Wow, Pete, just unreal, I have never met anyone with such hate and envy in their heart. Bro, you blasted yourself into a catastrophic failure of your body and you were never that good or strong. Now the only time I see you you are bashing the powerlifting community. Really, this is the only way you can make a living?? Trashing other people??
Lol you must be playin. Pete is one of the kindest realest dudes in the game and the way other lifters and athletes speak to and of him speaks volumes on this.
Pete looks like a distance runner these days
I think John said his actual weight when competing for this comp was 217 pounds rather than the 206 the day before.
Yes, true but you always say what you lift at the weight you weighed in at and with 24hr weigh ins you can fluctuate a lot in BW the next day for a meet.
9:08 oh yeh its something ive noticed!
Roids work. Wow... 🥱