CAN YOU ROAD TRIP THE ‘STANDARD RANGE’ MG4?!
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Road tripping has a bit of a murky cloud over it when it comes to electric vehicles. Is it possible? Do they have enough range? Can I charge my car? How long will it take? How much will it cost?
The MG4 SE SR is one of the most affordable EV you can buy in the UK with a decent useable daily range. However, as I've proved on my 70mph range test, this vehicle is looking at 160-170 miles in mild climate and one passenger with no cargo, so how will it fair on a road trip way beyond it's battery range?
Join me in this video as I road trip the MG4 SE STD Range near 800 miles to Disneyland Paris and back with fully laden boot, family of 4 adults and contend with English and French charging networks and roads.
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Thank-you so much for this video. We used to enjoy driving holidays to the south of France and I had thought that now that we had gone electric (MG4 SE SR) this would would be unthinkable (at least for a while). This video has shown that it's more than possible, thank-you!
Glad you enjoyed it!
The first petrol engine drivers must have had similar experiences between them-new-fangled petrol stations. 😂
Gorgeous car. The charging infrastructure in France, especially on the toll roads is absolutely top notch. I've been all around France, the Netherlands, Belgium and even down to Spain in my e-208. Which is comparable to the MG4 SR in terms of range and average charging speed. It's definitely possible, but I'm happy to have moved on to an EV with a bigger range and better charging speed (MG4 Trophy ER). The SE LR being just £2,500 extra its clearly the 'goldilocks' choice, offering 30kW faster average charging speed and 60 miles extra range. That makes a huge difference on a road trip when you're doing multiple charges in succession.
Cheap charging, plenty of chargers & easy to use, wide open roads…..then you came back to the UK !
😂
@@stuart_thomasissues with new fast charging hubs not being on maps is a growing pain, I was a Longleat Centerparcs this week, literally tons of fast chargers there now, not all provisioned but a sign of improvement. Made my relatively short trip even more relaxing. EV Range Pleasure
The biggest mistake 2as coming back after escaping from the UK, my escape are are almost in place after 3 years of planning.
Thanks Stuart.
Not been to,Disney but done this route via shuttle on bikes and in the car but not in my MG4. Your video proves it is no problem at all . Our old diesel Zafira mpg ( not worth anything so we keep it as a back up) capable at best 15p per mile on fuel alone so your efficiency at 3.4 @ 12p per mile public charging in such dirty conditions and full load was not bad at all. Well done very encouraging.
@@user-ol6rd7pl5t Please send rations back via drone, to prison island.
I did a similar trip to Paris last August, just over 700 miles from Berkshire shortly after getting delivery of the car. I even took the scenic route as I was the one doing all the driving and my daughter next to me was passenger princess.
Didn’t have any major issues charging except in Paris itself and one lone charger in the middle of nowhere with 5% battery left.
I used TJA most of the time and made the journey much more comfortable and enjoyable. And that was before the various upgrades I got last week. Found the LKA a lot better on French roads.
Thanks - that is reassuring given we've just bought an MG4!
I noted you said "firing on all cylinders" at one point!
Flowing on all battery cells?
@@CastleKnight7 amping up?
I took my MG4 SE SR from central Scotland to the south coast and back last August, 1,000 miles all told, and enjoyed every minute. It'll be even better this year with all the new chargers that have been installed.
Electrons flowing…
Old habits 😂
I’ve just done Disneyland Paris this week in our Cupra Born from Merseyside, 1100 miles total. Tesla superchargers were my preferred option (with a months subscription) along A16 as they are all at Auchan supermarkets and around 30p per kWh except on way home where we stopped at the Fastned at Aire de Wancourt on A1, fantastic and only 49p per kWh. I used ABRP and it was excellent.
Awesome vid, thanks for posting.🙌👍
Thanks for watching!
Excellent video. France is really well served with charging hubs,at least on the popular routes.
Thanks for this, what interested me the most was that I compared this to an almost identical trip I did in my MG4 around New Zealand, the numbers were almost identical to mine. your total average spend was 42.5 p per kWh (88.2 NZ cents). I got away with slightly less (74 cents) but when you take in a per km Road User Charge that electric vehicles are charged in NZ of 7.3 cents per km your price per km worked out identical to mine.
Thanks for sharing 👍
Nice one . Very informative.
Glad you liked it
Thanks for the video
Nice video. We drove to Chamonix from the midlands 18 months ago, in a standard range mg zs, it was fine too, quite enjoyed it.
Glad you enjoyed it
I just bought an MG4 long range but I totally agree that it doesn't matter too much what the range is. (As long as it's not ridiculously low) I travel regularly from Aberdeen to Leeds and just need the car to manage the journey in about 2 stops. But 1 extra stop doesn't actually use more time because the total amount of energy consumed is the same however many stops you do. I opted for the long range partly because the fastest charge speed is a slightly increased and because I want to try to avoid moving too much outside the 20-80% battery status. I can also potentially do the journey with 1 stop if needed and I have a little more to play with in cold weather etc.
Great video. A few MG4s on the journey too.
Interesting and useful thanks... I have a trophy - and do the occasional 260 mile trip between South Wales and East Anglia. I like the Fastned chargers near Ipswich 😂
Great video, I miss Paris Disneyland. I love the way you showed us your trip meter as you were driving and the cost breakdown, towards the end of the video. I love the look of your MG4 and I can see that it is an efficient EV. However, my Toyota Prius Excel 2020 PHEV, would do this journey with a much lesser refill stop time and it would cost £65.
As I also have an MG4 SE SR, this has really given me confidence to take it over to the continent. I've driven it from central Scotland to the south coast, 1000-mile round trip, but I wasn't sure about crossing the channel. But it looks great!
Thanks for tuning in. Don’t let the continent hold you back. It really is a better experience (and cheaper)😉
@@stuart_thomas To some extent I think it's the language that worries me a bit, especially dealing with charger screens. And unfamiliar charging providers. Even though I have elementary French and German. (I still remember finding a cop in the middle of an interminable forest in Germany and looking up the word for petrol station. He gave me clear directions, and THEN I spotted the thing marked on the map I was using. Range anxiety isn't only for EVs.)
Loved the pronunciation of Cobham Services, it’s Cob ham, Cobham! I did wonder where you were!
I’m sure it’s not the only name I butchered in the video.
I thought the M25 got a new services until the end when costs were laid out. 😀
@@stuart_thomasFrench prononciation was easily recognisable to English…the French may have not understood!
Thank you for that! There was me thinking I'd been saying it wrong all these years. And I'll be saying it again I think because according to ZapMap it now has 20 chargers in operation and it looks just right for my third charge on my way to the south coast in the summer.
Be great if there were chargers on the shuttle.
How would that work? Just to get 30mins charge?
@@mrswinkyuk you’d plug in and get 30 min charge. Be plenty as a top up.
Looks very simple, thinking of doing the same. We're in Newcastle though so would drive down from Amsterdam as there's a ferry that takes you there.
An interesting video!! Let’s hope you are able to do it.
I love these real world videos you make!
Cobham services are one of my favourite places to stop by, specially since Electroverse gives you a 61p/kWh price. Not super cheap but beats anything out there (except Tesla SCs, that is), and there's a lot of stations there.
It was nice to see this trip, I aim to do the same but from the Midlands with my Trophy later in the year, so good to know about the destination charger. And as always, so so disappointing seeing how much cheaper charging is in mainland Europe, when we could be living on renewables alone with the right push...
PS: I got mine way later than you and I've already done 12.5k miles in it in less than a year, so you can tell I absolutely love driving it. Just needs a bit of TLC on the software side.
So pleased to hear you enjoy my videos.
You must try the trip, it really is effortless.
It’s great to hear you’re enjoying the Mg4 and nice to see people putting some miles down 👍
Can't help but think there was some over charging going on, I did this trip in my e niro, and didn't charge anywhere near as often. But we did stop for toilet breaks, as no matter how much range you have left, the bladder is still in control.
Once note, it seems Disney do not list the chargers on Google as they are for guests only, not general public, so to avoid people relying on them, they keep them hidden. But they are listed on the Disney Paris website.
great video thank you for sharing your experience!
so as usual it is always about the usage you do of your vehicle.
If you do not travel often, than it is acceptable to waste 4.5 hr extra respect a gasoline car for the same cost,
because you can save at home chargin over th enight when you do commuting.
if you travel more often it is a big no.
I stop at Cobham quite a lot and there are now a LOT of chargers. Not sure how many but there must be 12 maybe more.
Excellent Travelogue. Becoming more and more impressed with the MG4 . (price + range+ spec) And less RIP off pricing on the continent it seems. The fact that the MG4 plays nicely with Tesla chargers is a big +
Planning to do the same trip in a few months except starting in Hereford and going in our ZOE ZE50.
I visited Hereford last Autumn, and was dismayed to find only 2 working Rapid chargers in the entire city; has the situation improved since then?? There was a 3rd, but it had been reported as broken for over 3 months at that point.
Luckily, there were several at a 50's style US diner on the way to Malvern, near Ledbury.
@@ianemery2925 As far as i know this hasn't improved, although as we have home charging i haven't put any effort into looking for local charging.
Zapmap shows 3x 50kW DC and quite a few AC chargers scattered around. EV takeup appears very low around here right now so it's no surprise we have limited public chargers.
@@6strawb I believe one of those three 50KW chargers is private now - after a spat between Hereford city council and BP Polar meant BP restricted it to their employees only; leaving two, of which one regularly seems to be broken for months on end.
Hereford is in a chicken-and-egg situation, I know people in Hereford who considered and rejected EV purchase BECAUSE of the lack of chargers in the area; now, TBF, this is pure range anxiety, if you live locally, you dont need local rapid chargers, but for visitors to the city, it is an issue; perhaps the Hereford Tourist board should try and agitate for some in car parks, at places tourists visit; or help fund some at local petrol stations.
Great video ,very informative I have now watched all the videos of the ev4.
I am getting a 2023 standard range next week does anyone have the latest software level I should be looking out for from my UK dealership before I drive away ....
Nice covered parking for motorcycles on the French side of Le Shuttle. Never seen anything that considerate in England.
Great video very helpful taking my nephew to eurodisney in April in my model y have my route planned already but good to know sll about the other chargers. One question did you use a toll pass and if so which one did you use
Have fun!
I've just come back from my ski trip to Italy in my e-niro. I echo your comments that charging in France is easy and usually cheaper than the UK.
I confirm that the expanded Cobham Ionity hub is operational.
I'd also correct your statement that the Tesla chargers at Calais are cheaper than the non Tesla ones. I was charged 32p/kWh earlier today for my charge on the non Telsa machines via Electroverse.
Thanks David. Hope you had a great trip in Italy.
Totally agree.
Interesting about the Calais chargers. It’s a luxury to have a choice and that that choice isn’t based on price or operation for once.
Great video - Any plans to do a 70mph MG4 X-Power range test?
Yes, just trying to get a vehicle for a longer period of time
Good video
Glad you enjoyed
I noticed you don’t seem to have the latest upgrades to the infotainment and I suspect none to the front camera which will affect LKA too. What version infotainment are you running? Did you get any updates to any of the other control modules on the car?
It’s not the latest unfortunately.
I have exactly the same car just in a better colour and will definitely be doing this trip at some point with the kids.
Well done. Interesting, looks like the rapids were only just over £0.50/kwh with Electroverse. The only charger I've ever had to queue for was a Cobham.
Cobham was a real disappointment as it was the only proper stop in the UK and was night and day to France. Having said that, I hope the expansion is in use as while we were there there was always 4 or 5 cars waiting.
@@stuart_thomas you sure about the Ionity cost? I charged at Cobham some 3 weeks ago and I'm pretty sure it was 0.61p/kWh then, even when looking at the map on the Electroverse app, right now it say 65p. (8+5% discount)
@@ytdoodabsolutely- 61p pkWh (that’s on my octopus statement)
So the cost of charging is rather similar to the cost of petrol (my car does about 13 pence a mile in petrol at 49 mpg), except filling the tank takes about 2 minutes. Obviously, the electric car gets the edge if you charge at home on economy 7 tariff.. but it's surprising to me that those chargers are almost as expensive as petrol..
Even though you are using a standard range EV, with let's be honest not the fastest charge rates. You still make it look very easy when the infrastructure is getting better and better by the day. Things will just get easier and easier for EV owners.
Great video 👍
Thanks for tuning in, appreciate your kind words
I'm doing the same drive later this year in a trophy. Do I need to get the stickers to go on the headlights?
Fantastic! I didn’t. Bizarrely, the driver kits available on Amazon where I got my UK sticker from doesn’t contain them. No one flashed me so I think you’ll be fine.
Watching this too see if ev is with us making the jump. Not convinced.
Done Disneyland Paris and back from Portsmouth in a 520d estate. Did the 650 odd miles on 1 tank with 40 miles left once home. It's £35 rfl. Can't see the maths works before the extra time.
It’s a fair assessment. It’s not for everyone, but I would also make it clear unless you drive these distances regularly and you can charge at home or rarely less on public charging it’s amazing how much you will save. It’s cost £3 to charge this car at home for 170 miles guaranteed miles. But it really is based on use case.
I have a 520d too and for long distance driving you can’t beat them. I live in the Portsmouth area too 👍🏼
If EVs aren't banned from the tunnel and ferries within 5 years I'll be astonished
@@angleseyandy9110 they won’t, because in 5 years at least half the cars on the channel will be EVs😉
@@devonbikefilms as if
Saint Witz? - should have gone to Parc Asterix up the road !
Didn’t realise it was across the road!
Question for you: how did you not know there were chargers at Disney, is that an app issue or Disney issue? I have heard about using A Better Route Planner and checking multiple apps, do you do this?
I'm doing this in May! But may chicken out and take our petrol.
Take the petrol at least you won't have to stop unnecessarily and not have to turn off vital comforts just to get to a destination like ac !
What App for route plannig are you showing/using in the video?
Octopus Electroverse
on a side note, did you have to do anything with the headlights?
Didn’t do anything with them and no ‘flashing’ from other motorists so I guess it was fine
How much of your charging time was taken by food etc and how much was extra compared with petrol?
Both stops where we had dinner/lunch, our meal outlasted the charging.
Thanks - really interesting video. I like the idea of an EV but if I compare how this trip would be in a diesel car, I am less than convinced that I would want to do a long trip in a short-ish range EV. In comparison, a diesel would require only one refuelling which would take, at most, 10 minutes (as opposed to 5 hours), with no queuing. The cost would be higher (around £17 more). I know that you planned stops with eating but that also limited your choice of where to eat (perhaps not an issue with kids who like McD's!). I'm impressed with your panning!
Thanks for tuning in. Indeed, on grand scheme of things a diesel/petrol makes more sense for long trips. There’s no comparing with time. If this is something you do often, it’s a no brainer unless you love hanging around charging station😂 but planning is essential on these trips if you want to remove any stress.
Use case of your vehicle is reflection of vehicle choice. I’ve always owned a diesel for the miles i do however. My use case, 250-300 miles a week, home charging at a cost of £10 per week fits EV ownership. I do many trips of 150 miles too and again it fulfils the use case. But it isn’t for everyone and public charging infrastructure in the UK isn’t where it should be. We also have a Tesla and that removes also issues.
To much of stop for charging. In my ICE car, I just need to stop for 3 times only to cover the same route like yours
It’s a fair point and I’ve done this route in my previous vw touran many times with one stop. As I mentioned, I could have done it with at least 2 less stops but I was being over cautious. Having said that, my question I ask is how often do you drive that far? Could you manage a few extra stops once in a while etc
Thanks for tuning in
It would be nice if there were chargers on the train so you charge up during the 30 min crossing.
Induction chargers are popping up. On a train would be great considering it runs on electric. I’d love to see a vacuum on there too. Great opportunity to clean the damn thing out
So about the same cost as a diesel doing 58mpg.
Yeah funny that, buy your electricity from a petrol station and you pay the same as doing 30+ mpg in an ice, buy it from your home overnight cheap rate and you are paying the equivalent of 300+ mpg.
@@garyhill9723only a minority of people in the UK use home charging.
How much would you have saved if you had known about the free charging at Disney?
Probably £10
They should install chargers on le Shuttle..
Deffo. - it’s powered by electric I’m sure they can divert or upscale the current to supply induction charging
Does the car automatically switch to KPH when you go into France?
Oh, it is Cob (like Bob) Ham, not Coab ham 😉
Manually change on the infotainment 👌
Cobe-ham? Cob’um.
I'm so glad someone pulled him up on that
Hi, any x power videos to come pease?
I’m hoping to have one soon. I do have a back log of non-mg videos to put on the channel first including my ‘going used’ series
Thanks
that trip would've been cheaper in a diesel/petrol
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@@johnteeling4679 electric cars are more expensive to buy.. & going by this video, they are more expensive to use on a longer trip. A petrol car makes more
money sense.
£78 in my diesel focus, and only 60 miles more than doing it on one tank.
And as a bonus, insurance is dirt cheap, I don't need to worry about cards or apps, and no child labour required to make the fuel tank.
@@angleseyandy9110 my 1.0 Juke will do 550miles, fraction of the cost, no making time to charge, petrol & diesel hassle free motoring
It's Cob Mm, not Kobemm
It’s pronounced Cobam as in cobweb
Shame that you skip charging speeds on screen. So basically you show here everything up to single road tree, but skipped most important part, leaving me with calculator in my hands lol :D
Lols! Nothing worth waiting for. Without low state of charges on this route (I think 17% was lowest) you won’t see anything over 65kW and that would tail off around 50% SoC. best received on this car is 88kWh. If you do want to see the charging profile of this car, I have a video on it 👍
I wish I could say I was surprised that the only place you had problems were in the UK, but I’m not. The government appear to have plan to sort this out despite sitting on £Bn they have said they have set aside to improve motorway charging.
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Crazy
Had my MG4 4 months and 4,000 kms, running cost ZERO. Electric provider gives me 3 hrs free at night.
You stopped 11 times to charge up and it cost £93. If I was doing this in my car at an easy 50+ mpg it would cost about £100-120 depending on motorway services costs and I would only need to stop once for fuel at Paris plus an additional stop each leg for a toilet break for 15 minutes. The whole journey seems to be an exercise in where to charge then waiting to get on a charger then waiting for ages whilst the car charges. In my petrol car with a range of 500 miles I don’t need to think about where to fill up and waste hardly any time filling up. I just couldn’t be bothered with all the extra faff, planning, worry about range and using various methods of payment and that’s without factoring in the extra cost of an electric car in the first place which could take 10 years or more to recover through cheaper fuel ing costs. EVs are not for me I’m afraid.
Me too. EV Vlogs are all about range and how to make the charging stops seem like they fit around your journey.
@@lanehogger1532 Yes, a relative of mine recently bought a Mercedes EQA at a cost of around £60k. She normally charges at home only but was not prepared to carry out a journey of about 240 miles to visit me as she was too worried about range and where to get a charged up near me. She took the train and I had to pick her up and take her back to the station. Madness - more money than sense.
Yes basically the whole trip has to be arranged around fitting in with charging.
It's a joke.
EVs have their place as a 2nd car for nipping round town, shops etc., at most.
I agree 100%. We’ve attempted the journey up to the highlands twice in our ev and it no longer was about stopping where and when we wanted to including taking the scenic routes we love but rather a point to point exercise in trying to find working chargers. It was awful to be honest so this year we’ll be going in my wife’s ice car and get back to enjoying the holiday for Scotland and not for charging points.
Think less like this is a video of electric cars are better but that they can do the odd trip like this. Every normal journey you do is easier and cheaper, you just have to live with the faff on a long journey. To some it may be worth it, to others it may not. I save about £3k a year in fuel, the used car cost me £15k. If it lasts 5 years it will feel like it’s paid for itself. If you can’t change at home I would stick with a petrol/diesel.
I would not be stopping at calais on way back, also your charging issues just enforces why ev is not the future, delays, missing your train etc... hybrid and alternative fuel vehicles will be the future... not this ev nonsense and you also said you drove in eco mode...why? I drive with heated seats all 4 if family with me especially in winter, heated steering wheel, etc no need to give up comfort... its like we are going back decades with these ev cars... hope you have seen the 3 issues with ev cars.. insurance and how easy they are writing them off, the battery fires due to thermal runaway, and the most scary, vapour cloud explosions... I would not be be putting my family in that sort of danger with the full ev cars
Nonsense.
Did he miss the train because of charging or being late because of the traffic and not setting off early enough?
Synthetic fuels will use more electricity than powering a battery so will be more expensive. They still produce air pollution and seems silly. biofuels will use cereals that would otherwise feed people in the global south. Rich societies will buy out the world's cereals for transport and starve the third world with biofuels.
The USA already uses more cereals for biofuels than Africa uses for food (50% more).
Don't be daft.
No one’s asking you to put your family in danger? Stick to your ICE car and good luck.
Great to hear your thoughts and thanks for taking time tuning in. I agree, EVs, with the current UK infrastructure are not for everyone, yet, but I would suggest trying one before writing them off, as they do suit most people…
I do think there’s a lot of misunderstandings in your comments. You may have misheard me say in my video that I had all the creature comforts running even though I selected an eco drive setting. Eco, is the drive setting. I can still accelerate quicker than most, there was no compromises. I’m not that stupid or would want to fall out with my wife and daughters before I spend 5 days with them 😂
I am in agreement with insurance premiums going up, but that’s inflation and all of our premiums have gone up. My home insurance took a big jump, but that’s not because my MG4 is on the driveway. I think it’s very easy to be lead by media and how we dissect facts from headlines. We did have a VW touran TDI, great car, it was my second and has been dependable for my family. It was the last car we drove to France, just a couple of years ago. Guess what? We stopped using it when our EV came along. It never got used, then I had to insure, MOT and service it and it needed some work. It’s still a great car, but we preferred to drive the EV. Plus, we saved a fortune in fuel and the insurance was the same. Again, it’s not for everyone but it suited our use case.
In the last week I’ve seen two car fires on the M5 hard shoulder during my commute to work, both involved ICE cars. I’ve seen multiple broken down vehicles, they were all ICE cars.
Our new Tesla model Y (company car) is one of the safest cars on the road and is the best selling car in the world (which was announced this week). My MG4 LFP battery is one of the safest batteries you can use in this application with no thermal runaways. My family are very safe as I’ve done my research.
I have no issues with petrol/diesel vehicles or hybrids, It’s great that we have a choices.
But...but...but what about the vapour clouds 😢