Cenepa Air War 1995 - Mirage F1 vs Su-22 (Ecuador vs Peru)
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- In 1995, Ecuador and Peru went to war for the third time in the 20th century. Area of operations was located in scarcely populated jungle where both sides had military outposts. Both countries involved their respective air forces and this would eventually lead to air-to-air combat.
Peruvian Air Force (FAP) was nominally stronger, operating fourth generation Mirage 2000. Ecuadorian Air Force relied on older Mirage F1 and IAI Kfir.
Watch the video to see if the final outcome reflected the theoretical odds.
Main sources:
- Amaru Tincopa - Air Wars Between Ecuador and Peru: Volume 3 - Aerial Operations over the Condor Mountain Range
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- Amaru Tincopa - Air Wars Between Ecuador and Peru: Volume 1 - The July 1941 War
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- Amaru Tincopa - Air Wars between Ecuador and Peru: Volume 2 - Falso Paquisha! Aerial Operations over the Condor Mountain Range, 1981
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- Peru vs. Ecuador; Alto-Cenepa War, 1995 (ACIGG archive)
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Imagine got shot down then stranded in the middle of isolated Amazonian jungle will bring terrible bloody hell experience for that pilot! 💀
la verdad dias despues fallecio
you write like a caveman
@@michelestefanini5466You're very sensitive huh?
I especially enjoy learning about these little known incidents that involve modern ( at the time ) combat aircraft. Great job as usual Showtime 112!!!!!!
I find them particularly interesting as well!
@@showtime112 Western Intelligence does its best to keep a lid on this stuff. Many thanks for doing the leg work to dig this stuff up.
@@knotwhatu Thank you, glad you are interested!
@@knotwhatu Oh yeah! Of course it does! 👍🏽👍🏽
keep enjoying your show MTF It was a nice try but u didn't win shit. We kept our amazonas and the fucking monkey never win shit. Keep on helping the enemies of my peruvian brothers because I know that u guys are full o f shit
Rough end for those pilots in the jungle . Did they not have some sort of CSAR at the time? Great video as usual Showtime.
Yes. I think that there wasn't a proper, specialized CSAR force (necessary for this kind of a terrain).
@@showtime112 The Peruvian air casualties are well documented due to their causes, with the exception of the Canberra, which is not known for sure if it was due to meteorological problems or technical failures. Regarding the supposed "dogfights" there were none since the SU-22 carried out CAS missions, not air superiority; Thus, on February 10, 1995, 4 SU-22s carried out bombing operations in the area with the coverage of 2 Mirage 2000, but 2 were shot down by manpads, the others may return. The pair of F1 could not engage in combat due to these being irradiated by the Mirage 2000 radars. The only air casualty attributed and recognized by the FAP is that of an a37 by a KFir. On the other hand, the story of the alleged dogfight shootdowns is much later than the month of February, the official statement from Ecuador of that date attributes the shootdowns to anti-aircraft artillery and does not differ from the FAP version, often the story de Bandera collapses by itself, the pilot indicates that each SU-22 was hit twice consecutively, which makes it impossible for the devices to keep their fuselages intact, as can be seen in the image, in addition, also due to the fact that the footage is they spoiled (curious that it is so of both F1).
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I think that the Martin Canberra was shot down by Ecuadorean Shoulder Mounted Ground to air Missiles as were several hellos from the Peruvian Army Aviation as well.
@@mz9403those su 22 were on a missoon to defend the a-37s they were flying with, it was the a-37s that were bombing, the SU-22 were used as defense bc the other peruvian jets didnt have missiles this was also well documented it is how we had air superiority despite peru having better jets such as the mirage 2000
@@ElPepe-qe2ir They were doing bombing missions, the Su-22 Pilots requested reevaluating the planning of those missions since it was complicated to do for the SU-22, but the idiots who gave the orders refused. Guess that's what happens when you get a Transport pilot who has no idea of air combat to command the air force at time of war...
South Africans will be particulary interested in this air war as our Air Force operated several Mirage F1 & Mirage III derivatives. Later, the Cheetah C, a much upgraded Mirage III was developed....however, with the war in Angola coming to an end, the Cheetah did not get opportunity to prove itself against the Angolan Mig 23's.
Thank you for the comment! I hope to cover the South African wars more in the future.
Mi querido Maestro. Hacía tiempo que esperaba esté video y continuaré a la espera del siguiente. Sumamente interesante y lo que había leído al respecto está gratamente representado en tu magnífico trabajo. Te felicito.
Gracias, I appreciate your feedback!
First of all - to pay respect to the fallen Peruvian airmen. Armed conflicts will leave casualties on both sides, and the scars in their families cannot ever be erased. I grew up in Ecuador, and recall the conflict months, the tension that it caused among everyone, and the news of the FAE's success on repelling the Peruvian sorties ... watching the re-enactment of the events brought up goosebumps! thanks for the video!
Thank you for commenting and sharing your experience!
Ecuador's success on repelling the Peruvian sorties??? ... well, it's seems to be more complicated then that.
If the Peruvian Su-22 was indeed hit by 2 Magics and kept flying then the more likely these variants were older Magic 1s. There are some sources which report detonation issues with 1st generation of Magic missiles.
Could be. The sources say that Ecuadorian Air Force had Mk2 but its not unlikely that they had some of the older ones in stock.
Ding dong! You're both wrong.
There were no issues with Magic Missiles. It just happened that the SU-22 is made of alloy instead of titanium so that it cannot easily be penetrated when it is hit.
Russia is using the SU-22s for its ground attack operations against Ukraine and the same thing, they don't easily explode when hit by highly explosive Russian-made missiles fired by the Ukrainian pilots using Mig-29s.
@@flxdz7103 Russia is using Su-22 in the current war in Ukraine? Where did you hear that?
@@showtime112
Ok I'm maybe wrong. It was SU-25 that was derived from SU-17 which includes SU-22 mostly made of steel that made it a "flying tank".
@@flxdz7103 The SU25 isn’t derived from the SU17/22 and the SU22 has been retired by the Russian Air Force for over a decade.
I love mirages . At the time they had the fastest vertical climb.
It was a pretty popular aircraft in its time.
I had the privilege to help train some of these pilots in a combat flight simulator.
The primary difference between Su-17 and Su-22 is the IFF system, and engine (depending on variant). To be honest it's not a difference most would notice and makes little impact on the aircraft's appearance or performance. Having a model that doesn't look like it's from 1999 will make a big impact though :D
Oh, the purist are always ready to correct. 'That's not the MiG-21PF, it's the PFM and I can tell because the pitot tube is two inches longer' 😁😁😁 But yes, having a proper high-fidelity module instead of this antiquated one will add a lot.
Great video, thank for uploading. I especially enjoyed the background on the inventories of these smaller air forces, that's an endlessly fascinating subject.
Thanks! I thought giving the background was a proper thing to do since most people probably don't know much about these two air forces.
Gracias el vídeo saludos desde Quito Ecuador, los Su peruanos eran de la versión M2 los derribados
Thanks for the comment!
General Banderas is a personal friend, he enjoyed your video, nice one
Thanks this is extremely nice to hear!
Loved the video!! I was a kid living in Ecuador when the war took place. I remember the news and the Peruvian planes destroyed. great job!!
Thanks, I appreciate your feedback!
@@showtime112 Great Ecuador, 3 fired missiles, 3 hits.
Man, those actual shots from the aircraft from both sides are much appreciated 👍
I had to use them since we lsck those models in DCS 😁
Timeline of the Peru - Ecuador conflict for the Amazon Basin
1820 Guayaquil is liberated from Spain (only Guayaquil). Ecuador does not exist, yet
1822 Guayaquil and Quito are annexed by Simon Bolivar to Gran Colombia by force with no public votation. Ecuador does not exist, yet. From 1822 to 1830 is ruled by a Venezuela's General ( he was not born in Quito or Guayaquil, a foreigner general imposed by Simon Bolivar ). Let's remember that Simon Bolivar was born in Venezuela
1821 Peru gets its independence from Spain (by this year Ecuador does not exist yet, not even has a name) Jaen and Maynas are part of Peru (Jungle areas) by Independence Declaration ( Declaración de Independencia )
1830 Guayaquil and Quito finally exist as an independent nation using the new name as “Ecuador”. Chaos came afterward. From 1830 to 1860 the rivalry between Guayaquil and Quito created political instability and turmoil, like a Civil War. Both wanted to be the Capital of the new country. both wanted to imposed its flags onto the another
In 1860 finally won Quito over Guayaquil and *the country finally get a flag* (as it is now)
In 1864 Peru founded in Iquitos a shipyard (in the middle of the jungle)
*While Peru in 1821 already had a consolidated country with Lima as the capital + flag , Ecuador began as a real Republic with a flag since 1860. It is 40 years of difference*
By 1864 all the Jungle has been already colonized by Peruvians. As Jaen, Iquitos, Maynas, San Ramon, Quillabamba. But then the nightmare came to Peru
Since 1860 and during 80 years, Ecuador began to hold a growing enmity toward Peru, using the misconception that Peru took over their “amazon” but Peru arrived first to the Amazon.
With the past of the time, this misconception turns into big hatred toward Peru.
In 1941 Peru and Ecuador waged a war. After this both countries signed an agreement, but Ecuador never agreed with this and its hatred grew even more -> Protocolo de Rio de Janeiro de 1942
In 1981 Ecuador attacked Peru using fake coordinates called as “Falsa Paquisha” conflict
In 1995 Ecuador attacked Peru again. It is the Cenepa Conflict
In 1998 Ecuador is forced to respect the agreement of 1942 by several neutral nations as USA, Brazil, Argentina and Chile. Finally the boundary between Peru and Ecuador is marked on the ground
In 2022 some ecuadorians still has a resentment ( grudge ) toward Peru because they think they lost something, but they never had sovereignty in the Amazon River, because Peru arrived earlier
La guerra del Cenepa la ganamos los ecuatorianos.
@@ISAIASSID que ganaron? las felicitaciones de sus superiores?
Thanks for contributing this insight!
Interesante punto de vista, pero debes recordar que si existia desde la colonia una entidad politica: a Audiencia de Quito, a mitad de camino entre el Virreinato de Nueva Granada y el Virreinato del Peru, y el tema en disputa comenzo con Guayaquil, la zona costera, donde empezo la disputa entre los dos paises con la Guerra entre Gran Colombia y Peru inmediatamente despues expulsar a los españoles... lastima que se libraron varios conflictos entre pueblos hermanos, ojala ya no vuelva a pasar, un saludos!
@@gustavovillaran826 Si uno mira TH-cam y otras paginas, el que mas se a esforzado en demostrar que gano a sido el Peru. Cuando uno es ganador no tiene porque estar demostrando que gano y menos aún, decir que lo que para Peru fue un simple conflicto para Ecuador fue una guerra.
Always respect you for using what you got to bring us these stories. Hopefully DCS does give us more of the Aircraft & Aircraft variants that are lacking.
Thanks for the feedback! It seems DCS will be getting plenty of new assets in the future. They announce a new module every two weeks or so 😁
@@showtime112 Well I can't wait to see what goodies they add.
Awesome video! My dad flew miragef1 for the Ecuadorian air force and he love it! Thanks for making it
Thank you for sharing!
@@showtime112 great video,but please translate the captions to english
La historia es falsa, los comunicados oficiales de Ecuador del 11 de febrero indicaron que los derribos se debieron por manpads no por dogfight. Asimismo, el testimonio de Banderas tiene fallos en su lógica indica que los SU-22 fueron impactados por dos misiles aire-aire cada uno; sin embargo, las imágenes del SU-22 derribado tienen el fuselaje integro, lo cual es imposible.
En el Peru se tiende a alterar la historia, lo mismo paso cuando uno de sus helos fue derribado decían que cayo por un "accidente " y asi está redactada la carta a la momep . Una pena que sea así esto es restarle mérito a sus propios héroes
@@DespiertaVe Hola. Las bajas aéreas peruanas están bien documentadas por sus causas a excepción del Canberra que no se sabe a ciencia cierta si fue por cuestiones meteorológicas o fallas técnicas. Respecto a los supuestos "dogfights" no los hubo ya que los SU-22 realizaban misiones CAS , no de superioridad aérea; es asi, que el 10 de febrero del 95, 4 SU-22 realizaron operaciones de bombardeos en el area con la cobertura de 2 Mirage 2000, pero 2 fueron derribados por manpads, los otros pudieron retornar. La pareja de F1 no pudo entablar combate por verse estos irradiados por los radares de los Mirage 2000. La única baja aérea atribuida y reconocida por la FAP es la de un a37 por un KFir. Por otro lado, la historia de los supuestos derribos por dogfight es muy posterior al mes de febrero, el comunicado oficial de Ecuador de esa fecha atribuye los derribos a la artilleria antiaérea y no difiere de la versión de la FAP, asimismo, el relato de Bandera se derrumba por si sola, el piloto indica que se impactó dos veces consecutivas a cada SU-22, lo cual es imposible que los aparatos mantengas sus fuselajes íntegros como bien se aprecia en la imagen, ademas, también indicó que las filmaciones se estropearon (curioso que sea asi de ambos F1). Saludos.
@@mz9403 el que lanzó el “comunicado oficial” de seguro no tenia ni idea donde estaban los artilleros porta misiles.
@@mz9403 Los mampads no son efectivos, contra aviones subsonicos que vuelan a 2000 o 3000 pies y desde las llanuras de la selva cubierta árboles y vegetación. Los helicópteros por su lentitud si son vulnerables... Un avión caza tipo F1 y Kfir con facilidad interceptan a los aviones SU22 y A37B, por tal motivo son derribados en simultáneo en la misma operación de combate.. Como puede un misil igla o Mampads derribar aviones simultáneos desde la selva, no es posible.
@@teslaus7256 A ver, el 10 de febrero 4 SU-22 estaban realizando misiones misiones CAS bajo la cobertura de 2 Mirage 2000, es imposible que una pareja de F1 se acerque a la cortina radarica de mayor alcance de los Mirage peruanos para intentar realizar interceptacion. Ademas, la prueba definitiva es que el comunicado ecuatoriano de esas fechas atribuye los derribos a artilleria antiaerea y que no difiere de la version de la FAP. Por otro lado, el relato de Banderas (muy posterior al mes de febrero) es fisicamente imposible, asevera que se llego impactar 2 veces consecutivas a cada SU-22, sin embargo la imagen muestra el fuselaje integro, es mas creíble la versión de impacto de artillería antiaérea de tierra, tal como lo comunicó el mando ecuatoriano el 11 de febrero. Sobre la posibilidad de manpads de derribar aeronaves en vuelo rasante no es imposible, los puestos de tiradores antiaereos especialmente implementados estaban localizados en el eje Condor Mirador - Coangos. La FAP ni la aviacion del ejercito peruano tenian orden de bombardear territorio ecuatoriano, solo la zona en conflicto. Los derribos de los helicópteros provinieron de esos puntos. Una evidencia de impacto por manpads a un avion fue cuando un A37 ecuatoriano intentó bombardear el PV1, pero llego a ser alcanzado por un strella, que no le derribo porque su carga estaba al limite de su vida util; en cambio Ecuador tenia versiones mas modernas de manpads y mas la facilidad estratégica y geográfica de un terreno preparado por ellos desde su territorio. Los SU-22 fueron derribados cuando se proponian bombardear el perimetro de la cota 1061, este punto estaba a boca de jarro del puesto de COANGOS (territorio ecuatoriano). La casi totalidad de derribos helicopteros fueron desde ese lugar, los SU-22 también. Saludos.
"For now, this is the best that be done."
No apology needed. It's a good job.
Thanks for the support!
I love your intro tunes they gives the base for your videos, content. :D
I hope someday we will have the F4U Corsair in DCS (some of the variants, if not even the exact one) and you would make the hilarious "Football War", the last clash of WWII fighters... in 1969... (Corsairs vs. Mustangs)
I always like to hear that people like the music intros. There should be the Corsair in DCS relatively soon so this topic will be possible.
In July 1969. As men walked on the Moon. Always liked the coincidence of dates. Some american astronauts had flown Corsairs and Mustangs in WWII and Korea.
Some Atlas Cheetah were exported, such as to the Ecuadorian Air Force (EAF) as a source of spare parts. ( for the Kfir)
That's interesting. I guess they were quite similar in their construction.
@@showtime112the Cheetah is a development of the Kfir. It was essentially a license built version of the Kfir.
Me gusta la música de mi querido Ecuador. Muchas gracias.
Glad you liked it. I wasn't sure whether to use the music or not but I'm glad I did.
Great work showtime12. Maybe you might be interested in 3 unkown episodes of the Peruvian Air Forces:
1º Jorge Chavez was an airplane pilot , first going across The Alpes ( Europe ). Highlighting it was done in Europe and not the Andes in South America. He had an flight accident during this deed after fullfiling his mission dying soon after. The main Airport in Peru has his full name
2º Jose Avelardo Quiñones , who was the first kamikaze in Latin America. During the war between Peru and Ecuador in 1941 , this guy decided not to jump off his airplane and driving his destroyed airplane direct to the enemy forces
3º The first massive military parachuting from airplanes in America was also in 1941
Thank you for sharing these interesting facts, I'm sure viewers will like them.
I was aware of the 1st and 3rd facts. Their historic reliability are backed by A LOT of documentation. But where did you get the 2nd fact? Can you provide us with a link or any other reference? 🧐🧐
Black , Jose Abelardo Quiñones fought in the Zarumilla Air battle during the War Peru-Ecuador in 1941. He received surface-to-air artillery impacts. A full and complete report can be seen in the 4 videos on youtube ""SUCEDIÓ EN EL PERÚ - José Abelardo Quiñones"" Chaptera 1/4 , 2/4 , 3/4 and 4/4 . . . The subtitles in spanish is very good. Sorry I cannot find information in English
Black, a 2º (synopsis) video is ""José Abelardo Quiñones"" youtube channel "Eureka otra vez"
Masivo dice apenas eran Entre 8 y 5 soldados que no hicieron nada
que viva Ecuador chucha. From a first generation american ecuadorian
Later in the same action , the Kfir shut down a Peruvian A-37
True, i hope to reenact that one dsy.
Abd what about that time a peruvian su22 fired at an ovni? Lmao real shit
I didn't find anything about that incident. Any links or sources?
@@showtime112 history channel ufo hunters season 1 ep 11
Pity the pilots, both of them died😥
Yes, such is the reality of war unfortunately.
Awesome work! Can't wait for the kfir and the E version of the Mirage F1
Thanks! So many good things coming to DCS!
Man i swear to god this dude is one of the best storytellers. Great voice timber, clear speech, talking slow, but not too slow
Thanks, it is nice to hear. It is funny that I sometimes receive very negative comments about the same thing that you find positive 😁
Yeah you’re right. And he makes a good effort with pronunciation in different languages too.
Great video Showtime 112, the Mirage operated from Taura that day. Excelente job. Greatings fron Ecuador.
I had the privilege to help train the Ecuador pilots back in 1993 in a combat flight simulator.
After completing their training the Ecuador pilots gave all of us a bottle of booze.....it was extremely strong.
I could never finished it.
Can't provide info where the sim training took place....
@@useryggfdcc Israel most probably
Thank you for the feedback! Tincopa's book claims it was Manta. It did seem a little strange because previously, Taura was listed. Also, Manta is further away from the area of operations.
EXCELLENT description of this Aviation Historical event, which little is known. I appreciate your dedication and time spent in the making of this video, no matter if the details are not accurate enough, what counts is the essence of it. THANKS VERY MUCH. Greetings from Mexico City.
Thanks Pablo, it is always nice to hear that a long time viewer is still enjoying the content!
Bravo! Once more bringing light to obscure yet SUPER interesting conflicts. Thank you!
Thanks, it's so nice to hear it.
Mirage Vs and Kfirs, Mirage F1s and Mirage 2000s: that wasn't a war, that was a Dassault sales pitch catalogue.
Sort of 😁 French were very present in many of those Third World markets.
I am Peruvian and this event is one of the reasons to be ashamed of being Peruvian
Why exactly?
@@showtime112 For the 2 Peruvian Sukhoi-22s that were shot down
This video series are just excellent!!
thanks for doing it!!
Thank you for liking it!
Did Equador not acquire SAAF cheetah aircraft?
Yes, but years after the war. I focused on the period that led to it.
I worked on those Cheetah aircraft for more then 8 years. Took part in the training of the Ecuador pilots sim training too.
Good times.
This video about the Cenepa War, an alien war in a bizarre place it's the first of its kind not only in TH-cam but in any other Social Network. That was and excellent video! 👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽
Thank you! There was one video dealing with this subject before but it didn't use any CGI to reenact it.
RIP pilots of the lost Peruvian fighters.
correction, they entered ecuador to bomb ecuador's defenders, the peruvian planes were shot-down in ecuadorian territory. they were not able to advance otherwise.
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Well the Peruvians tell it otherwise it all depends which side you want to hear. At the end of the day the final border point marks were defined and both sides accepted the final outcome.
Another awesome video appreciate all that you do great historical insight into world air conflicts. If I might make a request have you ever looked into Somalias war with Eithiopia particularly the Mig 21 vs F5E engagements
Thanks! I made two videos about the conflict between Ethiopia and Somalia. There are a couple of good stories left to do in the future.
@@showtime112 dare to make Pakistani JF-17 vs IAF Su-30MKI video that was believed to have taken place before the story was swtched to F-16?
@@jayjay53313 This was covered in the video about the infamous 'MiG-21 vs F-16' incident. Initially, Pakistanis claimed that the Indian MiG was shot down by an JF-17 fearing that the involvement of their F-16 would be sanctioned by the USA. Later, they changed the story.
@@showtime112 the F-16 shot down Mig-21 was included in your video but not the original PAF & witnesses claim which started with 2x JF-17 on pursuit of IAF Su-30MKI squadron fleeing after their R-77 failed to acquire lock due to Israeli + Indian avionics incompatibility with Russian seekers. The Mig-21 was sent to rescue the fleeing Su-30MKI instead of deploying more Su-30MKI. The original report stated the pair of JF-17 launched missiles each for every IAF fighters with 1 Su-30MKI and 1 Mig-21 being hit while 1 more Su-30MKI escaped. Witnesses saw 3 parachutes with 1 from the Mig-21 landed in Pakistan while the other 2 chutes from Su-30MKI with wreckage fell in Kashmir. IAF took AIM-120C7 old debris from Taiwan to claim PAF violated US regulation on using F-16 in offensive operation & to make others believe that the 2 other parachutes belong to F-16B trainer rather than admitting IAF Su-30MKI being shot down. PAF only deployed JF-17 to southern border because of US restrictions on F-16 usage. Also US wanted PAF to change statement to F-16 being deployed because an Su-30MKI was successfully shot down giving credits to US equipment rather than China's equipment
Wow! Really well done. Great history lesson!
Good to hear it, thank you!
Showtime112 please keep this wonderful content coming! I really enjoy these historical re-enactments, well done!
Don't worry, more content on the way!
Excellent, Mirage F1 was said to be the sexiest fighter aircraft of the world :)
Thank you for the comment! I agree, it's a pretty good looking airplane. French ones usually are 😁
Another good video about a little known conflict. Thanks for shedding light on this conflict between Ecuador and Peru.
Thanks, I'm glad to hear you found it interesting!
Thank you for doing this video! Really nice seeing events that my country was involved represented.
Really good video Showtime112!
Thank you for watching and commenting!
As usual was waiting for your video, the content is great & interesting.Thank u for ur great work @Showtime 112 🙏!!!
Thanks, I appreciate the feedback!
Wow!
I didn't knew that South American modern war history is that rich.
Thanks for education.
👍
Thank you for your feedback! Be sure to check out the so-called 'Soccer War' videos.
Love watching French fighters in action
Well, I've certainly used the F1 module well 😁
Excellent detailed presentation of the conflict that lead to the incident. I would suggest another incident in the Aegean Sea next to the island of Rhodes on February 23rd 1995. Two Mirage F1CG of the Greek Air-force (H.A.F.) were engaged with two Turkish F-16C/block-30. The Turkish F-16C's took soon an advantageous position and the Greek Mirages entered rolling scissors downwards following the internal spiral as for their adversaries. As the aircraft were closing the sea level the pilot of one of the Mirage F1CG's cut a split-S manoeuvre do disengage. The Turkish pilot followed ( being confident of the better G-limit of his aircraft ), but the Fly-by-wire of the F-16C warned him : "danger-danger, eject-eject" and so he did. This could be cosidered as a loss of an F-16C against a Mirage F1C ( which has very little chances to occur unless there is a clear numerical advantage for the Mirages ). Another icident between between Greek Mirage-F1C's and Turkish F-16C's took place in June 18th 1992 near to the island of Aghios Eustratios. The Greek pilot Nikolaos Sialmas trying to intercept a Turkish F-16C ( that has by far superior kinetic performance ) ,at the sea level, has his F-CG stalled and crashes into the sea.
Thanks for the comment and suggestion. This is a rather detailed description. Can you tell me your source? I remember searching about that topic but not coming up with much (although I didn't dig too deep).
@@showtime112 The source of the incident of Febr.-23-1995 from a Greek TV-channel : th-cam.com/video/knT8NA9Ggko/w-d-xo.html
@@showtime112Without comments a tribute to the hero of H.A.F. Nikolaos Sialmas , killed in action on June 18th 1992. : th-cam.com/video/5-sOurU4_cE/w-d-xo.html
Hello mate. Read also many encounter between Mirage 2000 and F16C . The loss of F16D . May be shoot down by Magic missile or by incontrolled spin during dogfight.
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@@showtime112 many years ago i found some info in éjection history Web site but now closed i think.
May be in Wikipedia about F1 or F16.
Esa Guerra fue una experiencia para Perúpor eso adquirimos cazas Sovieticos, MIG 29 y SU 25, aunque pudimos haber adquirido al Su-27 Flanker.
saludos I don´t not from you, Are you from USA or Uk?
Neither, actually. I'm from continental Europe.
Cordillera del Cóndor boarder region has being a conflict between Ecuador and Peru since 1941, 1981 and 1995 .
Exactly.
@@showtime112i wish someone would find out the truth, peru invaded ecuador in 1941, ecuador could only managed to have 2000 soldiers against peru of 15000,ecuador had no planes and only a small navy,they stole half of ecuador by forcing a treaty ,then they left occupied ecuador.
Oh man you did it, great!
Thanks! Glad you liked it.
This kind of renaactment is a fantastic way to use DCS. Thanks. May I propose you to reenact the air skirmishes during 1992 coup in Venezuela? A lone F-16 fighting falcon made some mirages flee and shot down a bronco in a gun dogfight.
Thanks for the comment and suggestion. We don't yet have the Bronco but development of a mod was recently announced so I'll wait for that.
The Mirage 2000 only served as a shadow for the Sukhoi-22 to carry out bombing missions in the Cenepa area. This conflict was the last in Latin America between two countries after the Malvinas
It seems that Peruvians could have used their Mirages a lot better.
@@showtime112 Hard to happen, the Mirage 2000P did not have BVR Super 530D missiles and their radars were not compatible with Magic II missiles.
The fighters were on February 10 escorting the Su-22, but acting as simple deterrents, since they did not have the appropriate missiles and if the Ecuadorians were to find out about the non-existence of the superiority of the Peruvian Mirages, they would I would lose that item.
For this reason, Banderas and his point launched the attack against the Su-22, as the Mirage pilots expected the Mirage F1 to move away, they did not enter into combat, however, the Ecuadorian F1 fighters quickly attacked the Su-22 and as they did not have warning systems RWR never realized that they were under attack.
Magic II missiles fired by both F1 fighters hit their mark, but the Su-22 is noted for being very stamina and both fighters had to fire both missiles to shoot them down.
When the Su-22 was shot down, the FAE Mirage F1 withdrew while they continued to be detected by the radars of the Mirage 2000P who, seeing the loss of the planes, launched in pursuit, but unfortunately, without missiles or combat distance. BVR, the chase came to nothing.
An excellent video of another little known conflict...
Thanks, it's good to get this positive feedback.
Fun Fact : Peruvian Su-22 claimed to has shoot down UFO in 1980
I seem to remember hearing about it. Could be a future video, who knows :)
those su22s could really take a lot of beating.
Yeah, so it seems.
After the conflict, the Peruvian air force decommissioned the Mirage V and Canberras. And it bought 18 Mig29s along with another 18 Su25s, putting 10 Su22s and 10 Mirage2000s into operational capacity. By 1998, total war was going to take place, where the mission was to invade and destroy strategic points in Ecuador. this never happened because Ecuador signed the pact and established their border from were always was. So yes, they fought for nothing.
PS: Curious fact, in 1982 Peru ordered 26 Mirage 2000 with all their equipment, missiles, and bombs complete. but the president who caused the crisis in 1986 decided to reduce the order to only 12 with basic equipment.
Thanks for providing this info. Wars often prove to be pointless....
I think your information is not correct. Peru did not arm itself to invade Ecuador, ending the conflict (1995) although the skirmishes continued until 1998 Peru saw the need to recover its potential both in the air and on land since during the conflict the shortcomings of the FAP were noted, but these acquisitions were a complete swindle and it is for one of the reasons that Fujimory was prosecuted. During the government of Alan Garcia they decided to overhaul these planes to make them operational. Currently I don't know their status although I think I read that the FAP was looking to replace them.
good for Ecuador,the mig-29s were rarely flown ,purchased from bellorussia,they were basically incomplete planes, the mig 25s kept breaking down. peru got to taste mirage f-1, k-fir, jaguar sepecat.
@@ivancastillo8010 the conflict was in 1995. Mig29s and Su25s arrived later back in 1997 wtf are you talking about?
Fantastic! Thank you :-)
Nice to hear, thanks!
Excelente video! Muy bien relatado y representado, felicitaciones por tan buen trabajo realizado, tanto en la redacción como en su representación gráfica. Excelente video!
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The Suk's bombs dropped pretty much simultaneously with the ejection. Correct??
I can't remember exactly but I think it might just be a limited damage model where external stores just drop when an aircraft is mortally hit.
Good video. I didn’t know anything about this conflict. Very informative.
Thanks, I'm glad you found this interesting!
So I guess wars in South America is not a new thing, judging from what’s happening in Venezuela and Guyana.
Oh no, there were quite a few of them. Nothing like Medieval Europe but hardly peaceful co-existence 😁
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Ah pero pregúntenle a los ecuatorianos cuando vieron al Mirage 2000 en sus radares.
Los Mirage 2000 eran superiores en todo sentido, quedarse a tratar de luchar ya habiendo lanzado los misiles del Mirage F1 y además con desventaja tecnológica es prácticamente un suicidio, la aviación militar es tan característica por su guerra tecnológica, la guerra aérea no es de hacerse el héroe, si hay desventaja lo mejor es evadir y tratar de escapar.
En el mismo video sale que no podian combatir debido a la carencia de cierto armamento salu2.
@@Ozcar_The_Dark_knight "no podian combatir" es cierto pero lo que no se niega es que los MIRAGE F1 huyeron.
@@Ozcar_The_Dark_knight lo que no tenían los Mirage 2000 peruanos eran los misiles de mediano alcance Super 530 guiados por radar, pero sí tenían misiles de corto alcance Magic 2.
Muy bueno.......South America have almost no conventional wars beyond the Malvinas of course, insurgencies, terrorists and drugs wars to the infinite.....
This is a very good video.....Gracias, castellano es mi idioma!!😀😀
Thanks for all the comments! I thought this one might be of a special interest to you.
That is such a pity there is no conventional wars… I wish they will get a full scale major attrition conflict soon, the population must be so frustrated….
@@arno222444 Conventional wars are really expensive........most of South America is broken!!!!😂😂
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I was on an expansive private beach in Saint Tropez this summer and a group of brazilian ppl came from a huge yacht to eat beside my table. They just ordered all the menu… they didn’t look broke to me…
@@arno222444 All countries have rich people, i live in Argentina, 50% of the population is poor and the average salary is under 200 dollars, Brazil is better, you see the rich in Europe, i am not broken, but most of Latinamericans are poor.
Awesome work, I loved the video!
Thanks, nice to hear!
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Hello mate. Excellent vidéo about Cenepa war. Just give info to you. Mirage F1JA is similar to F1C 200 but don't have refuelling probe and no refuelling light ( air intake right side)few better options.
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Doppler antenna and radio altimètre.
Israël chaff dispensers under tail fins instead of under wings roots (french F1C . CT and CR. + Elisra 4 Ball RWR antennes.
Thank you for the comment and info. French aircraft seem to be the most complicated of all in the matter of designations and variations 😁
@@showtime112 Yes mate.mirageF1 have many options And some costly. Each country have 1or 2 letter After F1.
Irak buy Mirage F1 with full options F1EQ5 was multirole aircraft. EQ6 built for attack ships like Super Étendard with Exocet missile and multimode radar air-air air sea..
Options too expensive for Armée de l Air who was poor in 80's.
@@dominiqueroudier9401 That sounds funny to have the domestic operator using inferior models. But we have a similar situation today when some of recent F-16 export models are much better equipped than those flown by the USAF.
@@showtime112 yes and can chose engine PW or GE. Éven in Europe there is à Kit called MLU. Mid Life Up date. Now standard F16V. In 80's first F16A are only for air air mission like our 1984.mirage 2000 C-rdm .poor fitted. With C-rdy totally différent and powerful . better radar and engine
Was this a Moto Pillo/Aji de Gallina War??
Is "monos/gallinas" war
Superb content.
I'm a happy new subscriber.
Oh really?? This has already been confirmed, it was never an aerial combat, only the Kfir shot down the A-37B and then nothing happened, the Su-22 were shot down by anti-aircraft fire from the Ecuadorian army, greetings.
More videos like this please! What I mean by that is more background information and commentary! Its so relaxing to watch and listen to. Only parts I don't enjoy is seeing downed aircraft (regardless of type or nation) crashing into the ground. So sad to see. Keep up the great work buddy!
Thanks, more stuff is on the way. Here, I just felt that introduction to both air forces was the right thing to do. I might introduce more of such content to future videos.
Good Work!! Specially , incidents at remote places ! Is it possible a video for most fatal crash of F-5 ( drill in peacetime , 57 casualties , 50 wounded, 22Sep.1981) TAF ?
Thanks! Do you have any links on that incident?
I was enjoying the music and a very interesting conflict, I do understand each country needs a defense, however both countries economy was fragile during this time. Good video
Thanks for the comment. It's another csse of two rather poor countries fighting a war they can hardly afford. I kinda liked that music too 😁
I really loves and enjoy that sensational Andes Mountainous instrumental music vibes, can anybody mention that melodious and lovely music song? 🏔️⛰️🏞️😍😍
Now this is history! Thank you for this well made video showing history which is not known!
It's good to see viewers giving a continuous support in comments!
Hello, I am Peruvian, but if, as seen in the facts, we see an attack against a Peruvian attack, we Peruvians lost more weapons and men, not because of the enemy's capacity but because of the Peruvian offensive, as we can see, the Peruvian offensive was 3 times larger than the Ecuadorian one, highlighting the capture of the pv1 south base, Cueva los Tayos, and it is even rumored that Twinza, this last area is Ecuadorian, but with Peruvian sovereignty, and they were given that area to bury their men and Salute your heroes, IN SUMMARY PERU LOST MORE MEN AND ARMAMENT, but finally put an end to the Ecotorian thought of reaching the Amazon River from the Peruvian side
Hope these countries are at peace now.
The song was a nice gesture but not all of us live in the Sierra most people live in the coast and Amazon just to clarify for those who dont know.
Thanks for pointing it out! But for me, this was a rarely accurate case where I managed to find a royalty free song that is actually from one of the countries involved in the video topic :)
@@showtime112 its ok man part of my culture but ive notice people outside think we are all the same and we are not thats all :) and dude great video im binge watching more
Bravo, top si odradeo ovo!!! Pozdrav iz Niša
Puno hvala, pozdrav!
good and interesting video describes the first aerial combat between two South American nations in which Ecuador defeated Peru.
Thanks for commenting!
1981? What? I've never heard about that one.
It's not generally well known and the scope was more limited than the 1995 conflict.
Showtime I was wandering when will you depict this important conflict for both South American Nations....., your pre video historical review of the conflict was right on target except that the Mirage 2000's were acquired from France (Jacques Chirac) in 1982 not in 85 like you said. I was at Las Palmas (FAP) Base in or around June 1982 during a school sponsored visit and saw them first hand, they had written off one of two seaters (Mirage 2000 DP) during a training sortie shortly after arrival. They looked pristine and brand new while parked on the tarmac.
Thanks for your video!
Thanks for the comment and info. I was thinking about making a video that focuses on the Peruvian side. I kinda forgot about it but it's good that you reminded me.
My friend fought in this War but on the ground as a lieutenant in the Ecuadorian Army. He just retired as a full Coronel.
FAE destroyed the FAP !!! Glory to Ecuador !!!🇪🇨🇪🇨🇪🇨🇪🇨🇪🇨🇪🇨
Hi my dear friend
You do the best video with this event
Thank you for your work on this video.
Thank you for watching and commenting, it helps the channel!
very good history and video!! Congrats!!!
Thank you very much for your positive feedback!
Happy to see another high quality video! Keep it up!
And I'm happy to see your comment, thanks!
This is not how it happened, you should find out more and watch General Banderas' interviews, telling how the air battle was.
man requesting you to cover a video on operation safed sagar in 1999 during the kargil war
Being Peruvian-born but raised in Ecuador, I was about to ask for this vid. Thanks!
The music in the first seconds is so Ecuador 😂😂
Thank you for your comment!
Well, I rarely find any royalty free music that is so closely related to one of the participants 😁
Another great video, about the important history of air to air combat, the world over.
Hvala, brother.
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Like before, I am grateful for your support!
Thank you for this exposé. Not so much for the aerial combats but for informing about this conflict that I was never aware of. So thank you for the history lesson.
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Thank you for these videos
Glad you liked it!
Excelent video 😀
Thank you very much!
Great job!! Nice video
What song was used at the beginning?
You can find it here: pixabay.com/music/folk-musica-del-norte-del-ecuador-cayambe-2332/
Y por qué esa música?
Intro music is supposed to evoke the feel of a geographical location where it takes part.
@@showtime112 Mmm. Mejor quedaba con este tema clásico de los países andinos... Nada mejor para un combate aéreo que un fondo musical alusivo al majestuoso cóndor, el ave andina por excelencia...
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Euch ist aber sicher bekannt, dass es auch auf den Piloten und seine Fähigkeiten ankommt?
Its so sad how terrible the AI SU-17/22 model looks.. It's age shows.. BUT, they are working on it atleast. Will looks tons better soon. Even better once we get the actual Module.
That's true. But patience is necessary to be a DCS enthusiast. I remember when they announced Mirage F1. It seemed like it would be a long wait but eventually, it came.