I was caught in a down burst once in a bay near the Gulf of Mexico. The wind was coming from the gulf over a small land mass that I happen to be very near. My friend got so scared he jumped in the cabin. I was pulling a. shrimping trawl headed parallel to the bank. To keep from being pushed out into the bay I had the boat almost headed to land yet stayed parallel. It hard to explain how powerful, fast, the conditions on water went from calm to out of control in a second or two. I can easily see how people had no control in this type of event.
35ft sailboat, gulf of Mexico, engine on , sail down, all hatches close , everyone on top. You don't want to be trapped below.... you want that boat to float even if it's tipped over. .... 25 min later it was over . Just hold tight, it's only water
If there are anymore doubters about the danger of sudden severe storms, read about the cancelled air show at the USAF McConnell AFB this past weekend. At least one small aircraft was flipped over, several people were injured and concessionaire property damaged. All at an active Air Force Base with all the latest most accurate weather forecasting systems.
tbh, i have never heard thunderstorm being regular storm that just passes by. every time there can be danger. lightning can cause fire, can strike humans/buildings etc, winds can be violent knocking trees down etc
There are people who have heard the phrase "like a bolt out of the blue" and may have even seen lightning strike on a clear blue day that would argue "lightning only strikes in thunderstorms and heavy rain." The amount of people I see _each video_ that are convinced it was a hit job, it is just astounding.
As a retired marine engineer, RN & Merchant navy, and later a machinery inspector for 28 years, I appreciate your informative videos, you give facts where you know them and informed opinion, and are careful to differentiate the too. Very professional, thank you
I very much like that you talked about facts. My wife is constantly berating the captain and crew for what she considers 'abandoning' the guests that died, while I am constantly asking her to wait till we have firm infomation on what actually happened. I believe the captain was one of the people with significant injuries, so if true, he would have been placed in the life raft with no chance to help anyone else. For all I know, he might have been unconscious and woke up in hospital. Heaven save us fro knee-jerk reactions and uninformed opinions.
@@BoominGameNot personally, no. But I have been in the reverse situation where our small cruiser got line-squalled a mile off the coast and other "nearby" boats were unaffected. We nearly lost the boat, and ourselves. We recovered (tough but we did it, I was the one that jumped on the foeredeck and depowered the kite with my arms). A couple of boats came over and checked if we needed assistance (for injuries, the boat was already safe), we said thanks but we're fine, did you experience the squall? They said no, we just saw your mast dip. But then I'm speaking as someone who's actually been on a sailing boat, albeit a small one, rather than as an armchair expert. The irony is that I bow to the greater knowledge of the experienced sailors on this channel, whereas you pontificate to them with less knowledge than even I have. Sorry to unleash on you, you just happened to be there. But please do learn from what I just said. Hav gud day/night
I could cry when I listen to your explanations in a good way, because it makes sense to me and in my gut I feel this is a very unfortunate and unseen accident that no one could have foreseen and I also feel that the ship builders and designers may be sitting very worried about the actual design and build of this boat and how it stands up to scrutiny. I feel for everyone involved, it sounds a horrendous way to die, some have been lucky been plunged into the sea especially at night in a storm, there are no winners here at all. I am so glad you are doing these videos so people can be informed and not jumping on this media circus. Thank you from the bottom of my heart for your service in light of this very tragic event. May the souls that lost their lives rest in peace.
John Groenewoud the former owner of Bayesian then called Salute wanted to sell the vessel allready after two years (2010). Why?? Was it a floating bathtub ? It was sold to Mike Lynch in 2014 and was refitted in Mallorca in 2016!
I know Tim, the Chief Engineer and have worked with him before. I consider him to be one of the most experienced and professional engineers I have had the pleasure to work with during my 27 year career. He has my support and best wishes at this difficult time.
@@Gippi-x4rbecause they possibly don't know either. Just a few weeks ago we had the very same thing happening with a fishing boat a few miles up the coast, in this case not even with bad weather. The survivors don't recall a thing. They were working on deck, one minute everything was fine, the next they find themselves in the water (fishing vessel "Virgem Dolorosa"). One victim even claimed he hasn't been in the water for more than a minute when he was rescued.
@@Gippi-x4r ama e ovvio che e colpa del capitano e dell equipaggio, chi ha lavorato sa come funziona la notte, nessuno ha voglia di fare niente, per di piu se il capitano sta dormendo nessuno si sognerebbe mai di svegliarlo perche ci sono due lampi, parliamoci chiaro, pensavano di essere in una fortezza, peccato che i cancelli fossero aperti.
@@Gippi-x4r |Are you that ignorant and irresponsible? When a tragedy of this scale happens and a police investigation is underway the best you have to do is to keep your beautiful mouth shut. It is not a roman circus. They will speak to their employer and to the investigators. In the meanwhile if you are so curious put on a Mexican TV novel on. Thet should have enough drama to keep you satisfied.
After being knocked down numerous times while racing including a 80' S&S I can say from experience that moving around on the boat unless there are hand and foot holds is almost impossible. We used to kid on the eighty which had a twenty some foot beam that we weren't afraid of drowning because the fall was going to kill us.
Yes, the large & palatial spaces on these mega-yachts look very different to we experienced sailors, who can too easily picture them tilted to less practical angles.
At 22 yrs old, I had at least 400-500 days at sea under my belt. I could operate every piece of electronics on the bridge. Navigate some of Alaska’s most difficult passages at night. Trusted to do engine room watches. If ANY situation arose, weather, navigation, machinery etc. you always wake up the Captain! Or wake EVERYONE with the main alarm. Better to be embarrassed than dead.
Yes your statement is correct. Would not stabilisers help. Me myself am not a lover of cold weather. This business of people complaining of the heat. I would have loved to be in that hot weather conditions. With locked hatches and no air con. No open bays either that night. But the thing is this adverse weather. Turmoil. Sad
When the owner is on board, you wouldn't be embarrassed, you'd be out of a job. I am getting Stalin vibes over this, that the crew was told to never bother the guests, so they didn't bother them until it was too late. Like Stalin instructing his guards to not disturb him -- so they didn't come to his aid when he fell due to a stroke.
@@yvonnelessick9880 This is the second suggestion I've read that "stabilizers" might "help". I'm not sure what you mean by the word "stabilizers", but the only ones I can think of off-hand are on airplanes & only work when the plane is flying (or the gyro stabilizer on a rocket which controls the thrust vector of its engines). On Bayesian, the only possible comparable item is the heavy swinging centerboard, which as standard practice was not left in the lowered position when moored or anchored & MIGHT have helped (& maybe not...) had it been lowered. I can imagine other owners of these Martini Navi sisterships (& others) reviewing their offshore anchoring & cruising practices now...if they're smart, which being rich doesn't necessarily guarantee...
@@yvonnelessick9880stabilisers only work when a boat is underway, they use hydrodynamic forces to stabilise the boat. They do not work at anchor. I don’t know of a single sailboat with stabilisers, they tend to use canting keels and foils for stability augmentation.
Well isnt this getting ugly! When I was training as a master, I was always told to imagine myself "In a courtoom, with your logbook on the projector, and the judge in a curly wig calling YOU Captain". At the end of the day this will all fall on the master. Not having deck closures secured (if even possible), watch schedules, hours of rest, etc is all the master's responsibility. I suspect this is why in history, Masters prefer to go down with their ship.
This could have been prevented when the weather forecast and watch shedules and proper safety procedures(getting all on deck) would have been precicesly followed. Knowing that the boat can´t handle a lot of degrees this is 100% human error and failure and the Master plus crew was responsible for the guests safety and they failed big time sadly! shame on them! The person that night on deck should have been able to read the onboard safety tools such as radar and storm warning tools! You can´t just blame all on the boat design and weather afterall the Crew is handling it and have 1000% responsibility! Strong storms can come and forecats are not 100% accurate! If the crew rules out the worst scenario they are playing russian roulette and should not be employed! if they cant handle it they must be charged with criminal charges bc they are responsbile for every life on board and the guests trusted them! When you are on the water you can´t miss a shift, dismiss a safety procedure and being asleep! Its not an office job.
Yep….this is getting intense! In nursing school, our professor said the same. Your nursing notes will be laid in front of you, and YOU will have to read and remember. Oh, and CYA (cover your ass). Never got called to court, even once!
"The Pursuit of Success & Averting Drift into Failure - Sidney Dekker" on TH-cam describes this kind of accumulating imperfections (the lecture is too light, the books are better)
no, the yacht was designed outside safe operating envelope, that mast was too high for that ship. even just on anchor it was unballanced and manufacturer stated that keel is used only 60miles outside coastal waters. they will make physics models and prove design was wrong, flawed and that yacht had to have its keel deployed even just on anchor. The Captain will be responsible for schedules, watches... but he did everything manufacturer said and yacht just turned over, the manufacturer will get severe punishment and because of deaths at least chief designer and manufacturer director will get 2-3 years of jail but suspended. people died in super expensive TRAP
People forgot that this boat had a beam of more than 10m. This means that when the boat got knocked down a person inside his saloon may have fallen from an 10m height. That’s why some crew got hospitalized
Also, I have heard at least twice that the boat listed 20 degrees, but then listed to 90 degrees the other way. Therefore, persons might have stumbled to the starboard side, then tossed across the room, or fell essentially to the port wall.
Yes, it is typical in a monohull sailboat to sleep, while underway, in a narrow berth with a cloth suspended on the side like the railings on a hospital bed to prevent being launched to the other side of the compartment while asleep
@@antonomaseapophasis5142 The cloth is called a "lee cloth." An alternative on my five-berth sailboat is the single "coffin berth", also called a "quarter berth," on the starboard side with little clearance from side to side or top to bottom for harm to the occupant.
The best coverage of this incident I’ve been seeing so thus far. Saw some coverage by BBC and there was no comparison to your videos. As more information comes out I am of the opinion that this sudden burst of bad weather happened so suddenly that the crew didn’t have time or very little time to react and the lady’s (with the baby) testimony is leaning towards that.
This is true. But the boat next door had time to get itself organized, start the motor and maintain stability. Maybe they weren’t hit with the full force of the tornado. But it does seem like they were more proactive in dealing with the situation.
@@richardvivian3665 Watch the interview with the Captain of the Sir Robert Baden-Powell. They didn't suffer a direct hit by the waterspout but Bayesian did. That square topsail schooner is also an entirely different design with a conservative rig (by traditional standards) & far more seaworthy hull design; effectively a little ship rather than a giant boat.
I'm a cruiser, former racer and even did a stint as a yacht broker, but I'm no pro. I have two points that I'd love if you can shed some light on. First, I think I may know how the boat got so much water so quickly. I think you are correct that it was a tornado or downspout. Both can contain a huge volume of water being hurled at hundreds of miles per hour. It has so much force, it could pour right into the boat. A downspout explains the focused violence and the volume of water foundered the boat so quickly. If this is the case, I can only imagine the violence with which the boat was hit. It must have been terrifying for those onboard. What say you? My second question is about the boat design. The angles shared from the designer show a lower stability/righting moment profile than I've seen before. 77 degrees with the keel up is point of no return? I did a little studying of marine architecture, forgive me if I've got this mixed up. But didn't it seem that was a bit off? I have been in boats that have taken knock downs with the mast getting lower than that. Last. I think the piece some commenters may not be getting is that it was dark. Finding people and recovering them in the midst of an ongoing storm would be nightmarish. And just after the boat was struck by a freight train out of the blue. The real lesson here is "there but for the grace of God go I". This is starting to look like a freak incident - like a rogue wave. Just a risk while at sea, even at anchor. The sea takes it's toll...It's quite interesting to see the human need to blame and explain. The yacht builder seems particularly out of line to me, he would have been best to gripe privately and keep his mouth shut. I don't know how civil liability works in Italy but in the U.S. his statements might be actionable. Bad form, regardless. If I was in the market to build such a yacht, I'd never consider him...
The Italian government Air Force weather forecast was flawed and the design of the yacht is flawed. The yacht builder is Italian. I don’t trust the Italian government at all.
A genuine sea going yacht will generally right itself even if completely upside down.. The Bayesian was built for entertaining in calm seas. Anyway it didn't capsize, it sank. It took on water for some reason. That's what at needs to be determined. Does anyone know the story of the Hokulea, the large ocean going Hawaiian canoe that capsized off the Hawaiian Islands the first night out on its maiden voyage to Tahiti?
Agreed. Considering the circumstances regarding the weather, there was no warning whatsoever nor could there be a warning of such severity. When that downburst hit everyone on deck was swept overboard, from the captain to the crew to the woman with the baby. Many were injured. From that point where they were in the water with the downburst occuring all around them the only thing they could do was to swim to and board one of the life rafts that had deployed before taking any further action. By the time they had boarded the life raft the boat had sunk and there was nothing more to be done. That's the way that I am seeing this. The suggestions of blaming the crew or captain are without merit and should be tabled. This was an 'act of god' situation that no one could have planned for. From what I've heard all doors would have been secured just as a matter of course in the best weather at night, so that is also a dead herring. Why would they have those doors open at a time when they were rushing about at 3am trying to secure outside furniture cushions? Does not make any sense. Absolve the crew of all blame, begin an investigation of the designer and owner of the yacht company and continue from there.
It's not that the boat first got filled with water and then sank but that it heeled beyond the point of recovery. Once it lay on its side water could only have come from the sea. It simply wasn't designed to withstand such a tilt.
You are correct it's a boat sinking. not a ship wreck which would be more like being driven aground in heavy seas. They only thing they need to determine is what factors led to it sinking so quickly.
@@mlk4175when it happens so fast this is what happens. The staff is not swimming into the hull to save people, it doesn’t work that way . Silly comment.
I was at sea in the USCG a long time ago I don’t recall ever being as frightened of anything as much as the sea. Lots of has changed since 1974, but the sea is the same. Untamed.
It’s worth emphasising that a boat like Bayesian is not a ‘sailing’ yacht in the traditional sense, that can right itself from 130 degrees. It’s really a ‘sail assisted motor yacht’, with powerful diesel engines, and very heavy. It may look like a bigger version of a normal yacht but this is an illusion created by designers who want to blend the romance of a sailing vessel with the luxury amenities of a superyacht. Hence its righting angle will top out at 70 to 90 degrees or less. The top heavy sloop design rig on the Bayesian would have accentuated this vulnerability.
I think in the end it will all come down to the hubris of using these floating lounges and hoping that nature will spare you. Yes, the crew probably neglected some security measures but any normal boat under these conditions should have gone for shelter in a port. Any normal sailing boat that had to anchor outside of port would have all on board awake and alert. You are right that the Bayesian is not a sailing yacht, I made this mistake in the beginning, it is a glorified motorsailer.
@@skipper63400I'm not so convinced. If every time we sleep at anchor we all (crew and passengers) had to stay awake all night, I wonder when we would sleep. Only the moments in which we are sailing (in turns) and those in which we are moored to a pier would remain. 😊
There are weather phenomenons that occur that are not painted by radar or other means of determining adverse weather. As an aviator, I encountered one of these and scared some of my passengers. The next morning I got chewed out by my boss for that. After explaining that I didn’t see it on my radar or storm scope, my boss understood. This tragedy seems to be similar to the situation I experienced. Great Video!
One day I was at my auntie's house. She was on the phone with her lawyer. She screams at me: A tornado is coming! Let's go out in the garden and secure what we can and windows. Off we went. Death was in the air, that is all I can say. Back in, luckily the tornado didn't cross the path of our house. It turned a bus full of people on the roundabout and it flew up in the air a pram with a one year old child. Child and pram survived well, grandma was killed. It came out of nowhere in no time. I have only heard of two tornados in my lifetime where I live, we don't get tornados. When nature wants, nature does, and humans do not stands in it's way.
Back in the old days then 😂 Back when we had storm scopes before modern doppler weather radar with look ahead windshear prediction designed to pick up micro bursts. Yep been though a few dodgy CB’s not painted by 1970’s scopes and radars - luckily my bosses were experienced passengers with a few CAT encounters under their belts so were normally cool with it!
Thanks for the update and explanation. Some of the commenters obviously know little about yachts. I know little of yachts except from your channel and others I follow, but I seem to know more than many. Most sailing catamarans even bigger ones do have openable portholes - often built within a larger window. Perhaps people have seen those and assumed. But cats openable portholes are well above the waterline and a sailing monohull's portlights are much closer to waterline especially when heeling making them need to be unopenable. Again thanks and please continue with the informed reporting.
We have been on Auckland harbour with glassy calm water and come around a headland and it’s 60 knots horizontal rain sand blasting your face and then had to attempt to rescue another boat with its anchor down but wrapped around its prop while the waves were towering over the height of our boat. 10 mins later and the isolated weather cell had gone. Fortunately we had called the coastguard to assist so there were witnesses to the ferocity of the storm cell. And that was nothing compared to what happened to this yacht.
I was told by a pilot of a fully laden 757 how his aircraft encountered a downburst and was blown 1000 feet downwards in about 10 seconds. Fortunately there comes a point where the wind changes direction from vertical to horizontal, so he survived.
As someone working in the offshore marine oil and gas industry (and ex superyacht), I find it concerning that the Superyacht industry is not adhering to the MLC 2006 (Marine Labour Convention) regulations regarding manning hours. Compliance with these regulations is a fundamental right for the crew, and misrepresenting rest and work hours constitutes a serious violation. Additionally, if the watertight door for the engine room and the salon doors were left/forced open, it would explain the vessel's rapid sinking, as the accommodation area would have been quickly inundated too, and more than two compartments flooded. There is also mention of the vents that allowed water into the vessel. I am also curious about the location of the stairwell leading to the nearest cabins. Obviously, the crew were thrown overboard and had to think of their own survival before they could access the life rafts and pyrotechnics to raise the alarm. Thanks for these daily updates I have a keen interest in this very unfortunate and tragic incident. Your coverage is very informative.
I counted bedding for 10 crew and I think there was 10 crew onboard. It was mentioned I think on this channel that the yacht makers are making smaller and less cabins. If I had the money to own a superyacht, I wouldn't be cheap on the labor to run one or crew quarters. I think most all will think twice about under-manning yachts in the future after this unimaginable tragedy. What an absolute horrible way to die. All I can think of is the scene in Titanic with the water rushing in. Water is so powerful and you stand no chance against it, then to be in the dark as well.
Ny feeling is this type of boat is an extremely expensive toy, and never intended for genuine ocean going world cruising. It is the difference between a race horse and a team of draft mules that do real work.
@@JoeLinux2000 I didn't get the impression rhey were doing anything on purpose beyond the capabilities of the boat. This boat was anchored in a normally calm area though.
When you want more goodies on your ship where do you get more space? So I’m sure the area is small in the first place. I’ve been watching some of these yacht shows and I’m horrified by the behavior and fear that is instilled in these crews. Seems to be all over. And even the crews try like hell but human energy isn’t infinite
@@conorflynn4733 as that famous American writer, humorist and former newspaper man Mark Twain said “ don’t believe anything that you read in the newspapers “
Agreed, I refuse to take in the 'If it bleeds it leads' nonsense of mainstream news media for a very long time now. I want information, not sensationalism.
I have seen the result of a downburst in the Cascade Mountains outside Seattle. There was an area about a half an acre and all the trees were twisted and mangled on the ground. Some of the trees were 10 feet in diameter. The power of Mother Nature is unbelievable.
Quite a few of the survivors are described having injuries - that could be translation or people being vague, of course you'd expect them to be treated for shock etc - but it sounded like some significant cuts and bruises, more what you'd expect if you were say on the port side and suddenly found yourself falling several metres across the deck into railings and fixtures before you hit the water.
Yes according to the captain of the nearby Dutch schooner The Sir Robert Baden Powell, which escaped the downburst and helped rescue them, 3 had serious injuries.
Also stayed on the Queen Mary, and we had our porthole open. Your videos are wonderful. Thank you. Important to stick to the facts as well as putting them in context especially for those unfamiliar with life on the water. The captain's family are neighbors of my daughter on the North Shore. Your posts are excellent for stamping out rumors and wild speculations.
As a former 20-something deck hand, I was given multiple night watches with no training at all. Thankfully it worked out but I never felt like I knew what to do if there was a serious issue
Typical workplace attitudes....leave the lowest in food chain to clean up shitty tasks as it will all be ok and no problem scenario....but what if?....oh dear!
Maybe Giovanni Costantino should be added to the criminal probe, for making a super-yacht with the 2nd tallest mast on Earth, yet with a down-flooding angle under 45 degrees? Not to mention a stairwell on each side, close to the deck edge, that act as giant water-scoops.
There s nothing wrong with the design of the vessel so long as its' operational limits are clearly, accurately and fully stated in the operator's handbook. Was this the case with 'Bayesian' ? I have no idea. Of course the investigators will also ask the question "did the captain and his crew understand the handbook well enough to make sound decisions about how to manage the vessel ?". That question will need very careful analysis and a lot of information in order to answer properly and accurately.
Any sailboat with masts can be knocked down bare poles in a rare and extreme conditions. If a vessel with wide spacious cabins is on its side, the exit door may be 12-14 feet over your head in the master's cabin, and 4 - 12+ feet over one's head in the smaller guest cabins, depending upon if you can get up on the frame of the bed/berth. Crew quarters being smaller will be easier to exit, in theory. Aircraft have automatic (or manual) emergency floor path lighting. Yachts? You'd need an accessible rope or hand-rail to pull yourself up, ( Doesn't fit the decor!) - if you could even find heads or tails. Mattresses would fall from their bases, and might eventually float. These are not design flaws. They are features inherent in such designs. In some low-side cabins, the mattress might be blocking the exit, floating. If you're in the master's head (Port side) when the boat lays down on its starboard side, you are now 30+ feet up, with no easy / obvious ways down, let alone out. I imagine that it's stupendous to get to sail on such vessels, yet it comes with rare risks. RIP. I'm guessing that keels down will be the new procedure, except in port. Hindsight is always... They'll need an anti-clunk pretension cylinder for those keels that have a bit of freeplay.
There is a lot BS and lack of understanding flying around now. I would suggest that prior to the boat being hit and flattened all crew were scrambling around this huge boat securing and clearing movable fixtures. At no point were they aware of the wind that was about to hit them or the affect on the boat. It was between 4-5am and pitch black. They would not have seen a water spout or down burst approaching until it was nearly on them. For all those crew and passengers who were up this would have been terrifying. As the boat heeled over they would have been either uncontrollably falling or holding on. With the boat now horizontal no one would be attempting to to go below as it would be impossible. If anyone was just inside they would be fighting the inrush of water to get themselves out. Forget any possibility that crew could enter the boat at this stage. They are ordinarily humans not some imaginary superheroes. This was a survival moment and trying to support anyone else who made it out. It was exceedingly fortunate that the life raft deployed to save them or there would certainly have been more deaths. Of course the investigation must take place and it will but there interested parties who know very well where this is going and it isn’t the crew. There are clear design concerns but they will be looking for any opportunity to muddy them by saying if the crew had done xyz the boat would have stayed afloat. I am sorry but once this boat was knocked flat it was doomed it was unable to recover. The crew had no way to predict or prevent this.
HI every one.Feddy from Argentina, I happen to be a yachts engineer for almost20 years and also served as engineer in a very similar vessel. by far, this is the only channel providing a thoughtful cautious and properly studdied information. I is otrageous how many other channels are spitting out so much miss-information causing serious harm to the whole situation, and I think specialy to the crew involved ..I think they have no chance of saveing the ship ... and if one would have the full information it is actually not to hard to see the the hand of the Allmighty above this all.. I know .. so many people now will rise they eybraws in dismay.. I have lived hundreds of storms at sea and at anchor... this was exceptional. and they had no chance. It will be to long to explain all the technical aspects that contriubuted to the sinking. but is already very well detailled in the previous videos of this channel.
You need a little imagination with a whole lot of life experience and an enormous amount of reading on all topics to see the crew did their best. Washed overboard in this unforeseen, exceptional circumstance, the - top heavy? - motorised yacht (great and helpful description) already on its side, water overwhelming the whole thing, noise, dark accentuated by driving rain and wind………..
also forgot to add I had the exat same isue with sliding doors on diferent vessels and different sliding door! . The sliding door will swing open some times with suden rolling. One time on a motoryacht leaving the Kiel cannal were it encounters the north sea, the waves were rather high, cant remember the size but it is actuall not that abnormal for a vessel in the ocean to be in rugh weather with waves crushing over the vessel ...in this kind of situation and that particualr vessel the water will not drain out of the deck fastenough and we had coupleof wavesthat completely filled the deck sideways up to the railings and the water ran aft with the ship very heavy wich could have gone down in that nex wave, as the ship very slowly stabilized the waterin the aft deck about ameter high . imagine about three tones of water on the aft main deck slamed the aft main sloon sliding door, but . bi amiracle ( that kind of event that worldly people pretend does not exist) the door did not brake naither open, though this times the doors were latched as we were for ocean crossing and no guest on board, we turned around and by another miracle did not capsized while turning around and made it back to port to wait for bether weather for our essel. sorry for long story and for my poor english, is very rusyty
You may have already covered this, but there are vent systems that circulate the air from various parts of this yacht, including guest quarters... and these vents are placed around the hull just below the deck line ... Esysman, Your coverage is always the best... our thanks to you and your team always.. We love you, man.❤🎉
Everyone needs to be interviewed here, crew and (surviving) passengers alike. Not because we are trying to affix blame, rather to set the baseline for what happened in a chaotic, scary event.
You need investigators who know port from starboard and it appears the Italian prosecutor knows neither and given the many cases where Italian law enforcement interfered in aviation accident investigations, they can't find their butts with both hands and printed instructions! This is why you let the professionals handle investigations - not amateurs.
Thank you for clarifying so much of this, people are going crazy with assumptions and it’s so intense as as a seafarer to be accused by people that have no idea about the operations - I have no platform nor am I the right position to say anything, but you have put my nerves at ease, so thank you!
The previous captain actually stated that most of the keel's weight - which weighs about 200T - was in a fixed position and only a dagger-board-style keel could be lowered to the max draft. This means that most of the stability was independent of whether the keel was lowered or raised. It makes sense to me that they would not be lowering and raising a 200T keel. It surprises me you didn't mention this because you otherwise are very proficient. Mind you English is not my first language, so I hope you understand what I mean and also I'm not a sailor so I have no idea about dagger-boards. I am however an engineer and so I have a good grasp of the concept of stability. I am under the impression that either the press or prosecutor also aren't sailors.... I fully imagine the crew never expected to be in this situation this fast and probably found themselves in the water or injured and thus unable to assist the guests. Also why were some guests on the deck at night (I believe the mother and child were) and others remained in their cabins. Maybe the ones that were saved already left their cabins because of the rough weather? I - as many - am very curious to understand what exactly happened. I can't imagine the captain or crew not assisting the guests if that had been in any way an option.
the storm is coming all the crew race to the outside to secure chairs, cushions, and anything that can be blown over the side, the severity of the yacht heeled to the side sending all the crew into the water, I have been in a similar situation myself
The weather can change quickly. Sailing with a friend. In the morning the wind was only 5 knots. We got bored and anchored. To wait for the tide so we could get back into harbour. In the afternoon a dark cloud appeared on the horizon and quickly approached. Within 10 minutes the wind increased from 5 knots to 50. Returned to the harbour with just a small amount of jib sail. Considerably faster than we had been sailing in the morning with both sails.
I fear that this is becoming a "witch hunt" with everyone in that Court room missing the "elephant in the room". I reiterate my comment made days ago, let this be a lesson to all yacht designers and manufacturers that safety foremost not ego. I really hope that the evidence you are bringing forward will somehow get to where it needs to and that the manufacturer (who was TOO quick off the mark) will be hounded as much as these crew members are. I am rooting for this team beyond all measure now!
Independently of legal responsibilities or possible mistakes having been made, it should be remembered that the crew not only went through the same ordeal as the passengers, but beyond sharing the same trauma, they would also be facing numerous psychological burdens: confronted with feelings of guilt and self doubt, in fear of legal repercussions and in fear for their livelihood. They deserve a minimum of empathy and human compassion. We don't know whether mistakes were made or not, but I want to say to the hyaenas who relish pointing the finger: Let those who never make mistakes throw the first stone.
Exactly! Also, for the crews, working on a luxury yacht is no picknick! It sounds to me like very hard work for little pay and little in the way of gratitude from the owner / guests. Witness the very cramped living spaces for the crew.
Very well presented..clear, accurate and detailed on all matters concerning the sinking of the yacht and the unasked questions and doubts that we all want a clarification on. As a sailors'/ Captains daughter, have sailed on many a voyage and this is particularly close to my heart..
When we have an incident such as this where the manufacturer is quick to blame the crew and the governing body follows the manufacturers path, let's not forget the Boeing Max "MCAS" narrative.... How quick they were to tarnish the pilots and make false claims... In this instance I hope the "investigators" persue the manufacturer with equal fervor..... The CEO of the Italian Co. seems tone deaf.... In the little bit that's been brought out as facts, seems there are design issues and potential procedural issues....
All the worse, they blamed the captains of Lion Air and Ethiopian because they were 👨🏿✈️👨🏾✈️. Said it wouldn't have happened to an "American" crew👨🏼✈️👨🏼✈️. Of course the common factor is Manufacturer and Investigator Italian, crew foreigners. Look forward to some long sentences and destroyed careers.
I have my doubts they will want to tarnish the designer …it appears protecting the mega rich and yacht’s entering italian waters may be the priority given they are openly accusing people before the investigation has even started . There will be a lot of pressure on the investigation to wrap it quickly given the billions and people involved .i can’t help thinking that in the end money will drive this . Money talks very loudly
@@stephengrimmer35 The brits are also involved in the investigation since the boat was UK registered. They won't allow this to be a white wash to protect an Italian business... The truth will out eventually.
Prior Captain states per stability specs that you only need a 40 to 45 degree heel angle for water to enter the ventilation hatches for the generators. you know the generators are running and if it reaches 40 to 45 degrees you have water coming in. Forget the lazarrette hatch, there are much lower points of ingress.
In the event of an accident it's always the pilot / train driver / skipper that is blamed. It's an escape route for the management that may have reduced staff, maintenance etc and cut corners. When did you ever hear of an accountant being blamed for withholding funds essential for safe operation?
The ultimate responsibility is with the owners and the Captain and crews working for them. The owners of the yacht will bear the responsibilities of the dead passengers onboard. Why ? Death occur in a private yacht. Ie in your house. Yacht sunk with the owners , captain and crew hired by the owners. Exactly why the owners are responsible for the yacht, captain , crew and passengers. 😮
@@NomenClature-o8s According to reports, the boat capsized so quickly due to a microburst that they were thrown off the boat. If this is true, then there was no opportunity for them to get passengers off before the boat went down. It's generally better to let the investigation to run its course before drawing any conclusions.
@@joakimlindblom8256 negligence and culpability is the most obvious reason because acts of God and terrorism is not included in any insurance policy when deaths occur and vessel was sunk when anchored outside the port. Maritime law requires the safety protocols to investigate deaths and shipwrecks.
I know nothing about ships and boats. But this is a huge story. And so I turn to you, the expert - but the expert who is able to explain all dimensions of this tragedy with such insight, and in a way that I find both comprehensive and illuminating. Meaning I remain fascinated and shocked, but aware of utterly new angles, questions and reflections. Thank you.
@@LiveFromLondon2 a deluge would not have capsized the vessel. Just compute the wind resistance of the mast and what speed of wind would be required to capsize the vessel.
except it was august and violent thunderstorm. not even tornados sank ships in minute, so what happened. all the other vessels were unharmed. and no, it wasn't because this particular ship was targeted by mother nature.
@@LiveFromLondon2You are well aware of what the Italian Air Force said on the matter, namely that it was a downburst, and that they detected when it happened but would not have been able to predict it. I'm getting fed up with the amount of disinfo in this comments section, especially considering how insensitive it is towards people who actually lost friends in this tragedy (yes they are here, I've seen their comments). Try to have some consideration, and think how you would feel if you had lost someone, and encountered comments such as yours. You're not the only person I've said this to, so don't feel picked on lol, but I am serious
Seems to me that this was just a freak incident owing to bad weather and possibly a badly designed yacht. Sadly she probably went down far too fast for the sleeping guests below deck to get out of danger.
@@latristessdurera8763 While you are certainly correct this was a freak incident and bad luck due to bad weather, it is also the case that: these things happen. It is the responsibility of the professionals who designed, built, certified, and operated the vessel to defend her and their mere passengers from the sea. Which is remorseless and lethal. It is not the case the yacht "went down far too fast for the sleeping guests below" to survive. It took many minutes. It was for example on the order of a half hour (per this channel yesterday if I recall correctly) before the onset of the freak weather, until the flare went up from the life raft. Certainly just based on the AIS track there was plenty of time for all souls to abandon ship. The problem is the ship was designed in a such a way that, in this situation, they couldn't. Or manifestly, didn't. Why? Please see the book "Why Buildings Fall Down" by a phenomenal Italian structural engineer who writes vividly and dispassionately about how disasters like this happen. More than they should. And for specific non random reasons, for whom nameable culpable individuals and corporations can and should be held accountable. Why? Because if we as a species don't do that, then others will die. Inevitably. And for the exact same reasons.
Book: Why Buildings Fall Down: How Structures Fail, by Mario Salvadori and Matthys Levy, Kevin Woest (Illustrator). It is one of the best books ever written about complex failure, and human factors. Typically, arrogance, overconfidence, or sheer stupidity. For example in one mass-fatal incident described in the book, an engineer designed something literally impossible to make. And so predictably the folks who made it, didn't make it as designed (because that was impossible). And so it failed, and many people died. Just one example. Sadly, things like this happen more often than they should. In other examples from the book the authors explain how a series of complex low-probability events that cause failures and death is sometimes a) a true "act of God" or black swan event that is perceived as impossible to anticipate, and b) the inevitable consequence of incompetence. In fact both are avoidable. If we learn from reality, rather than denying it or passing the buck to mere insurance companies. People are dead. More people still alive remain at risk, until we understand how and why this happened and ensure this particular failure mode is mitigated against going fwd.
Yep. It was at anchor in a sheltered bay. Having said that it is reasonable to conduct an investigation. So long as it is focussed on improving safety rather than a witch hunt which is how it appears.
It is not badly designed, but not the type of yacht suitable for such a violent sudden squal. Very few yachts are designed for extreme seas. They would look like a life boat if they were.
Thank you very much for your calm, professional, and extremely well-informed viewpoints. I have been watching for quite some time and always enjoy your videos. Thank you for the effort you put into creating them (and especially for the editing time). You have an outstanding Channel and I look forward to each of your videos. I am a past live-aboard boater and past flight crew so I value your engineering viewpoints highly
I am delighted that you have addressed many issues that have been in the media from people with no idea whatsoever about yachts. In the video you posted about the storm in NZ that knocked over the 45 meter boat in a second, anybody on the deck would have been thrown with huge force either into the water, against the dock or onto the dock if she was alongside and would have been lucky to survive without serious injury. Ditto anyone inside that yacht. The porthole business is just nonsense. Airconditioned boats like this do not have anything that opens except hydraulically functioning hatches. Even the saloon doors are electrically operated on buttons or sensors. We didn't use the storm hatches for cruising around but for ocean passages without guests we certainly did, and you are right, it's pitch black in the crew quarters. The crew hours of rest are a giant fiction. I once asked, when told to alter my hours as they were so far over the limit, why it was demanded of me to falsify a legal document that could be used against me. Answer was basically do it or find yourself on the dock with your suitcase. Ex superyacht crew.
I also would have no idea really if I had been on the bridge as boat chef and not a qualified officer, how to read the radar if it was even on. It was explained to me how the AIS works and I could see how to identify vessels nearby, course, speed nearest point of passing etc but I did not know how to operate it. I understood how to use the VHF, EPIRB etc because I've got a VHF certificate and Emergency drills are carried out by all crews every month or should be (but often if we had long owners trips, you had to do loads of drills when the guests were gone, to catch up with the obligations). The young guy on the bridge could have called the Captain if he was uncertain, but he probably just thought, it's weather, nothing out of the ordinary. By the time the proverbial hit the fan it was far too late.
@@andyblyth4519 You are alleging that some/many masters of maritime vessels choose deliberately to operate a long way outside both maritime laws and the various operational regulations. Is that correct ?
I’ve worked on 3 of the 56m Perini Navi yachts, plus a 54m and 43m. None of the portholes open. The crew obviously did not have the choice to wake up the guests, given any chance at all I am certain they would have.
I do want to add one thought, and also say thanks for the always thoughtful coverage. A police investigation does not mean a crime has been committed, rather that they need to determine if one was committed. All it means is that the circumstances are such that an investigation is warranted, and I believe that's so actually. Nobody has been charged with a crime yet, if that happens, then yes, we are in a different place. But the cops may very come to the conclusion you did after dispassionate analysis. Or they may come up with more facts we are unaware of, in either event I don't think the crew/captain are being persecuted just because there is an investigation. 6 people died, there should be a police investigation.
It's the commenters on these threads that have no experience with yachts that are making accusations of faulty design and negligent seamanship by the crew. Not all crew are as knowledgeable as they should be. Their qualification is more their ability to entertain the rich. True sailors won't get along with the wealthy for the very reason they are actual seamen, and fully understand the dangers.
I suspect that they might be being persecuted, because of that almost immediate attack on them by the builder. That had “ass-covering” and “guilty knowledge” written all over it. There’s a huge power imbalance, especially in Italy, itself, between a major, Italian, super-yacht builder and two or three, expatriate yacht crew. I think they need some big hitting lawyers to make sure they’re not being used to cover for the designer/builder of a yacht that couldn’t recover from a 90° knock-down. The sole surviving passenger, with her baby, is actually the registered owner of the Bayesian. She was Lynch’s wife, and I presume he “gifted” her the yacht, possibly so that it wouldn’t be seized if he’d lost his case in the USA. She supports the crews’ statements that it went from normal summer storm, heeling at 20°, to pitched overboard, all in a matter of seconds. I’d be surprised if the Bayesian hadn’t ridden out at least a couple of similar storms every year of her life without anybody turning a hair.
@@JoeLinux2000 Successful crew on supers get that way because they have found a way to keep the wealthy happy whilst also keeping the boat safe. There will of course be compromises. I don't think this incident is the result of compromises.. The facts are being laid out slowly; we should all hold off on our assumptions until they are all known. Worth remembering that this was a mostly british crew, so I'd deffo hold off on assumptions.
Don't forget the politics angle. It would be very bad for the industry and all the related businesses if potential passengers were left with the impression that sometimes bad things happen to good people. Especially given that the sorts who are passengers on these craft tend to be the sorts who are otherwise largely insulated from life's harsher realities. Might be thought 'better' by the powers that be to fix at least some blame. Scapegoats being a longstanding European tradition.
Way to much speculation about the crew, I'm a retired superyacht captain and worked on a Perini Navi some years ago, we had problems with the big heavy automatic glass doors to the main saloon in rough weather, especially if the yacht was heeled over. Looking at those videos of other yachts hit by tornados, all the windows on the main deck could have been blown out allowing a huge volume of water to enter the vessel and the yacht to heel over rapidly throwing everyone into the sea, lots of the injuries received were from broken glass. I don't for one minute think all the crew members abandoned ship and left the guests alone. Wait for the inquiry to conclude before making ill informed comments, crew were risking their lives too, and the crew also have families They could have ended up the hero's in this tragic event if things had played out differently. I strongly urge crew to employ the best maritime lawyer they can find. It's obvious they prosecution are looking for scapegoats as the inquiry has not even started. The yachtbuilders spokesperson had already blamed the crew within two hours of the catastrophic event happening, no big surprise there
I worked for a Superyacht company in Auckland, my Boss really disliked those heavy glass and stainless steel sliding doors that were all the rage to enter the Saloon for a while. If anything was going to go wrong, it would be those doors.
@brianmurray8331. thank you for making that point about windows (not the portholes) on the main deck. According to the report allegedly from Mr. Lynch's wife, she was awakened by a sudden, big disturbance and had time to go to the deck to see what happened, cutting her feet on broken glass as she did this. (May have been when other passengers congregated in the one cabin). Based on that and the land camera video of the yacht mast, where the top mast light disappeared and then reappeared, could there have been two roll events, with the second one being the fatal one? It's very hard to see how anyone could have made it topside, or anywhere else, when the yacht heeled over 70-90 degrees and it was then pitch dark below deck.
@@brianmurray8331 my thoughts exactly.. The crew seem to be in a catch 22 with the blame firmly on their shoulders before the investigations even started.
There is no "prosecution". The statutory accident investigation is being conducted by MAIB (part of UK Department of Transport) and I can promise you they are both highly competent and sea-green incorruptible. The Italian police are conducting an investigation in order to establish whether or not the disaster was caused by criminal acts or omissions; this is normal practice in developed countries. Costantino (CEO of the shipbuilders' parent company) has been running his mouth for PR purposes and to limit reputational damage, but it is doubtful that he will have any influence on either of the formal investigations.
They’re looking for a scapegoat here. This obviously happened extremely quickly. I’m a former fisher, a boater & I know that sometimes weather comes up so quick there is no warning and little or no time to react. Also, that 75 meter mast is, to me, and IMO, a stupid design flaw.
Life is full of coincidences but that Mr Chamberlain, Finance Officer and also in Court in the USA was killed while jogging on a quiet road in Cambridgeshire. He was killed on Saturday lunchtime. The yacht went dowm at about 2.30 am on Monday. There is more to the story. When so much money is involved crime is never far away.
Great updates from you. Accidents and incidents happen we think with x technology, x advancement, x knowledge etc. They wouldn't happen but no matter what we have learnt over the year's accidents and incidents will continue to happen.
It should be absolutely clear that the Italian Authorities have not pressed charges against anyone as per yet. No one has been accused nor indicted. All they did was notifying the key crew figures that they are being investigated, which is a form of protection, and entitles them to seek legal defence and expert consulting in their favour, and choose whether to answer or not. No one is guilty here until proven as such after at least 3 degrees of Court judgments (by different Courts). Does anyone believe that there should not be any investigation and that the people involved should not be asked any questions following this tragedy?
@@deborahponzio3179 yeah, this... I'm not particularly fond of our legal system, but I have the feeling many among the public are content to transfer whatever knowledge they may have of their to make unreasonable comments.
Lack of rest is an excuse, that man was rich, he wanted to celebrate well with his friends and family, if he had told him look for this trip I need a better crew he would have started giving you 200 thousand euros just to make you buy sweets.
@@will5989 There are many luxury hotels where food is available 24/7. Guests may expect the same level of service on-board, in which case you need at the very minimum two chefs working 12 hours on, 12 hours off. In better regulated environments, you generally need 5 people to cover a standard pattern of 8 hours on/16hours off - this allows for holidays and sickness.
@@olasek7972 In the UK, health and safety laws and regulations hold both employer and employee responsible for upholding the law. In practice, the employer is prosecuted for breach of law, whilst the employee is charged with whatever damage s/he caused.
If Down Bursts are anything like Microbursts no one whould have any time to do anything during it. And would barely have any time to do much afterwards until it calmed down. I've been on the edge of a microbirst when I lived in a small mountain town. I can't imagine what it would be like while in/on water. (Or airplane)
Likewise. Microburst terrifying. In one in car on open plains. Sky turned almost green. Car shook like tornado. I am also a sailor and can’t imagine being on water in one.
From Google's AI: A downburst is a general term for a localized strong wind event caused by a thunderstorm's downdraft. A microburst is a specific type of downburst that's smaller than 4 kilometers across and lasts 2-5 minutes. Downbursts can also be categorized as macrobursts, which are larger and last longer than microbursts. Downbursts can produce winds that exceed 100 miles per hour, which is as strong as a tornado. From a distance, downbursts can look similar to tornadoes, but they tend to leave behind straight-line damage that radiates outward in a starburst shape. Tornadoes, on the other hand, often have longer, meandering paths of damage and sometimes leave a swirling pattern on the ground. Downbursts can be wet or dry, depending on whether rainfall accompanies the damaging winds. Wet microbursts can produce wind speeds of 60-125 miles per hour and can be accompanied by a large splash of water.
Downburst is wind. Microburst is the same action but with a massive amount of rain. Downbursts have caused plane crashes. I've seen damage from Microbursts and it's just as horrific as tornadoes and straight line winds but a small area. Meteorologists can tell which phenomenon caused damage on land by the damage pattern. If it was a Downburst or Microburst, I can't imagine the boat not sinking.
I have been in a microburst in a medium size aircraft, and it was extremely unpleasant. It arrived without any warning and I saw nothing for around a minute because of the intensity of the water and the wind; the sound was deafening and almost overpowering. The aircraft was falling so rapidly that I felt like I was weightless; I could see the altimeter going berserk and then as we reached the bottom of the burst the experience of being blown sideways at the same speed was even worse. In such circumstances the brain is unable to interpret the signals it receives from its motion sensors and you experience all sorts of weird illusions. I don't frighten easily, but I was very frightened, not least because I had no ability to do anything and no idea what to do. It ended as suddenly as it began and after a go-round, I landed safely a couple of minutes later. I have spoken to an airline pilot whose plane, weighing around 120 tons, was blown downwards 1,000 feet in less than 10 seconds by a microburst. The traces from his black box were extremely interesting.
@@TerryKeever Tornadoes and water spouts are low pressure events where things tend to get sucked upwards into the stream of air and water; downbursts and microbursts are very high pressure events where the stream of air and water drives things downwards and then horizontally.
In the video of the other yacht in New Zealand being shoved over nearly 90%, the thing that gets me is that there doesn't seem to be much surface area for the wind to push against. A mast, the side of a low cabin, and the side of the hull above the waterline. And yet it could nearly instantaneously push this over, against the resistance of the keel. What counteracting force would that have been ( 80 or 90 tonnes?) against the the wind pushing against a relatively small area. The wind must have been like a hurricane.
I've been many times outside well predicted weather. When on night watch, I always had the opportunity to arouse the captain or to call for everyone to help. I've called the captain a few times. Normally, he spent less than a minute assessing the situation and gave direction for sail changes or course changes. I see no way for the on-watch sailor to determine an emergency, contact the captain, and arouse crew during this event. It is sad to think that he could be held accountable for the outcome.
Watch-hands have strictly limited authority. For all but the most straightforward occurrences, their only choice is to rouse the officer of the watch. Even within their limited terms of reference, it is possible for them to be negligent and it is right that the relevant authorities should check whether or not this was the case.
@@hb1338 Clarification of my position. This event was a sudden downburst according to what I have seen. It would not provide time for a watch-hand to realize the peril, contact the captain, and obtain directions from the captain, and arouse the crew. It is unreasonable to expect the on-watch person to have influence over this outcome. I agree that it is possible for a watch-hand to have negligence. Just not in the situation as we know this to be.
The investigation's primary objective should be to identify the root cause or causes. Keep asking "why" and you will eventually identify the root cause or root causes. Refer to the DNV scat analysis incident causation model as a starting point
'Bayesian' was registered in the UK, so under international maritime law the *accident* investigation is being carried out by the UK statutory authority, the Marine Accident Investigation Branch, which is part of the Department of Transport. International transport law (both aviation and maritime) requires statutory bodies to produce a narrative report which describes what happened and how and why it happened. That report may not be ascribe fault or blame, nor may it be used by other organisations to ascribe fault or blame. Because the disaster occurred in Italian coastal waters, the *judicial* investigation is being undertaken by the Italian (Sicilian) police.
@@LiveFromLondon2 *Everybody* who is considered relevant will be interviewed; unlike you, the investigators work with open minds. Testimonies will be taken from everyone who was on board, eye witnesses (land and sea), the rescue and recovery units, even the meteorologists in the Italian air force.
Due to the unexpected and confirmed downburst, I don't see any culpability in the actions of the crew of the Bayseian. It was an act of nature. Since part of the crew was on deck stowing various items, it's highly likely doors were left open .... but none of the crew knew a downburst was about to happen. There shouldn't be any charges filed.
@@John-G Anchor alarm was probably going off in the captain's (empty) cabin. Otherwise, in the midst of a rising storm and hurrying to stow gear it seems quite possible nobody took note, or thought to take note. Tend to agree with ScubaSteve - rushing to get everything on deck stowed says the doors were not secured as doing so would tend to greatly slow what you otherwise want to be a rapid process.
@@John-Gif you’ve ever experienced a downburst…. Visibility is close to zero in pounding rain and winds up to 100mph, with the boat healed at 20-90 degrees. It’s like being in a washing machine. Anyone outside would have been helpless. Inside so many alarms would have been going off. Dragging anchor a few hundred meters out to sea was the least of their worries!
@@ThomasD66 Come on ... "nobody took note" that the anchor was being dragged for 400 m because they were too busy stowing the cushions? If that's the case someone had their priorities badly wrong.
We were on the Italian yacht Toy sail boat about 150ft, 1980. In the Gulf of Lyon we got hit by a sudden storm,a rogue wave came from the port side and we went over, but were righted by the keel. We had MANY large windows onboard and the storm covers hadn't been put on. All windows broke and we took on a ton of water. Our Dancom radio was full of water and the captain's sexton flew off the table and broke, we were lost in the med. But reminds me of this ALOT. I was a guest, we were heading from Cannes to St Thomas.
As far as ultimate stability angles are concerned, i hope everyone who's ever had a vacation on a large cruise ship realizes that the ultimate stability angles on your fancy giant cruise ship are rarely more than 50 degrees...
Failure to close a deadlight was the cause of the catalogue of errors that caused the loss of the Ocean Ranger of the Grand Banks of Newfoundland more than 40 years ago
Excellent presentation! Former US Navy officer. I've watched several of the videos and there are many comments by people with no idea what they are talking about. I live in "Tornado Alley" Nebraska and have seen what a tornado is capable of many times. The video showing the catamaran flipping and the yacht healing was a great demo. Thank you.
I was caught in a down burst once in a bay near the Gulf of Mexico. The wind was coming from the gulf over a small land mass that I happen to be very near. My friend got so scared he jumped in the cabin. I was pulling a. shrimping trawl headed parallel to the bank. To keep from being pushed out into the bay I had the boat almost headed to land yet stayed parallel. It hard to explain how powerful, fast, the conditions on water went from calm to out of control in a second or two. I can easily see how people had no control in this type of event.
Thanks for sharing. Too many aren't realizing the violence and speed of a downburst.
I guess that some crazy wind speeds occur with such an event?
35ft sailboat, gulf of Mexico, engine on , sail down, all hatches close , everyone on top.
You don't want to be trapped below.... you want that boat to float even if it's tipped over.
.... 25 min later it was over .
Just hold tight, it's only water
@@CHMichael No one was expecting a downburst, not even the weather forecaster(s).
@@TerryKeever Especially at night. They had no idea it was coming.
If there are anymore doubters about the danger of sudden severe storms, read about the cancelled air show at the USAF McConnell AFB this past weekend. At least one small aircraft was flipped over, several people were injured and concessionaire property damaged. All at an active Air Force Base with all the latest most accurate weather forecasting systems.
tbh, i have never heard thunderstorm being regular storm that just passes by. every time there can be danger. lightning can cause fire, can strike humans/buildings etc, winds can be violent knocking trees down etc
But the outhouse race was spectacular!
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There are people who have heard the phrase "like a bolt out of the blue" and may have even seen lightning strike on a clear blue day that would argue "lightning only strikes in thunderstorms and heavy rain." The amount of people I see _each video_ that are convinced it was a hit job, it is just astounding.
@@grondhero Sometimes it seems the more information people have access to, the more they "lock in" on their own fantasy of "what *really* happened".
Going to an airshow is like standing at the side of a muddy trail watching rally cars zoom past at 80 mph.
Thanks for the no nonsense straight to the point content
just miss out his job and 80000 billlon loss
As a retired marine engineer, RN & Merchant navy, and later a machinery inspector for 28 years, I appreciate your informative videos, you give facts where you know them and informed opinion, and are careful to differentiate the too. Very professional, thank you
But have you ever seen a storm that sinks a ship in 16 minutes and leaves the one just next to it untouched?
I very much like that you talked about facts. My wife is constantly berating the captain and crew for what she considers 'abandoning' the guests that died, while I am constantly asking her to wait till we have firm infomation on what actually happened. I believe the captain was one of the people with significant injuries, so if true, he would have been placed in the life raft with no chance to help anyone else. For all I know, he might have been unconscious and woke up in hospital. Heaven save us fro knee-jerk reactions and uninformed opinions.
I agree. Rare reporting these days
@@HAmatelot No sails and not underway. If the 45 tonne keel was fully down in a storm, would this yacht have sunk? Very unlikely.
@@BoominGameNot personally, no. But I have been in the reverse situation where our small cruiser got line-squalled a mile off the coast and other "nearby" boats were unaffected. We nearly lost the boat, and ourselves. We recovered (tough but we did it, I was the one that jumped on the foeredeck and depowered the kite with my arms). A couple of boats came over and checked if we needed assistance (for injuries, the boat was already safe), we said thanks but we're fine, did you experience the squall? They said no, we just saw your mast dip.
But then I'm speaking as someone who's actually been on a sailing boat, albeit a small one, rather than as an armchair expert. The irony is that I bow to the greater knowledge of the experienced sailors on this channel, whereas you pontificate to them with less knowledge than even I have.
Sorry to unleash on you, you just happened to be there. But please do learn from what I just said.
Hav gud day/night
I could cry when I listen to your explanations in a good way, because it makes sense to me and in my gut I feel this is a very unfortunate and unseen accident that no one could have foreseen and I also feel that the ship builders and designers may be sitting very worried about the actual design and build of this boat and how it stands up to scrutiny. I feel for everyone involved, it sounds a horrendous way to die, some have been lucky been plunged into the sea especially at night in a storm, there are no winners here at all. I am so glad you are doing these videos so people can be informed and not jumping on this media circus. Thank you from the bottom of my heart for your service in light of this very tragic event. May the souls that lost their lives rest in peace.
John Groenewoud the former owner of Bayesian then called Salute wanted to sell the vessel allready after two years (2010). Why?? Was it a floating bathtub ? It was sold to Mike Lynch in 2014 and was refitted in Mallorca in 2016!
@@intrax2tv Wealthy boat owners buy and sell boats like most people buy and sell cars.
I'm glad that you are sticking up for these crew members.
This might be getting a bit too much.
I know Tim, the Chief Engineer and have worked with him before. I consider him to be one of the most experienced and professional engineers I have had the pleasure to work with during my 27 year career. He has my support and best wishes at this difficult time.
@@whizz4240 sarà certamente così!
Ma se nessuno di loro ha colpe, perché nessuno parla e spiega cosa veramente è successo quella notte?
@@Gippi-x4rbecause they possibly don't know either. Just a few weeks ago we had the very same thing happening with a fishing boat a few miles up the coast, in this case not even with bad weather. The survivors don't recall a thing. They were working on deck, one minute everything was fine, the next they find themselves in the water (fishing vessel "Virgem Dolorosa"). One victim even claimed he hasn't been in the water for more than a minute when he was rescued.
@@Gippi-x4r ama e ovvio che e colpa del capitano e dell equipaggio, chi ha lavorato sa come funziona la notte, nessuno ha voglia di fare niente, per di piu se il capitano sta dormendo nessuno si sognerebbe mai di svegliarlo perche ci sono due lampi, parliamoci chiaro, pensavano di essere in una fortezza, peccato che i cancelli fossero aperti.
@@Gippi-x4r |Are you that ignorant and irresponsible?
When a tragedy of this scale happens and a police investigation is underway the best you have to do is to keep your beautiful mouth shut. It is not a roman circus. They will speak to their employer and to the investigators. In the meanwhile if you are so curious put on a Mexican TV novel on. Thet should have enough drama to keep you satisfied.
@@federox86 Your mental faculties blind me.....
THANKS ESYSMAN for clarifying the circumstances as we know it so far🤗💚💚💚
After being knocked down numerous times while racing including a 80' S&S I can say from experience that moving around on the boat unless there are hand and foot holds is almost impossible. We used to kid on the eighty which had a twenty some foot beam that we weren't afraid of drowning because the fall was going to kill us.
Yes, the large & palatial spaces on these mega-yachts look very different to we experienced sailors, who can too easily picture them tilted to less practical angles.
Cookers had a nasty habit of crashing through the coach roof once inverted. And that's on much smaller yachts with less headroom below.
At 22 yrs old, I had at least 400-500 days at sea under my belt. I could operate every piece of electronics on the bridge. Navigate some of Alaska’s most difficult passages at night. Trusted to do engine room watches.
If ANY situation arose, weather, navigation, machinery etc. you always wake up the Captain! Or wake EVERYONE with the main alarm. Better to be embarrassed than dead.
Yes your statement is correct. Would not stabilisers help. Me myself am not a lover of cold weather. This business of people complaining of the heat. I would have loved to be in that hot weather conditions. With locked hatches and no air con. No open bays either that night. But the thing is this adverse weather. Turmoil. Sad
When the owner is on board, you wouldn't be embarrassed, you'd be out of a job.
I am getting Stalin vibes over this, that the crew was told to never bother the guests, so they didn't bother them until it was too late. Like Stalin instructing his guards to not disturb him -- so they didn't come to his aid when he fell due to a stroke.
Exactly ! Don't bother them to eternity....
@@yvonnelessick9880 This is the second suggestion I've read that "stabilizers" might "help". I'm not sure what you mean by the word "stabilizers", but the only ones I can think of off-hand are on airplanes & only work when the plane is flying (or the gyro stabilizer on a rocket which controls the thrust vector of its engines). On Bayesian, the only possible comparable item is the heavy swinging centerboard, which as standard practice was not left in the lowered position when moored or anchored & MIGHT have helped (& maybe not...) had it been lowered. I can imagine other owners of these Martini Navi sisterships (& others) reviewing their offshore anchoring & cruising practices now...if they're smart, which being rich doesn't necessarily guarantee...
@@yvonnelessick9880stabilisers only work when a boat is underway, they use hydrodynamic forces to stabilise the boat. They do not work at anchor.
I don’t know of a single sailboat with stabilisers, they tend to use canting keels and foils for stability augmentation.
Well isnt this getting ugly! When I was training as a master, I was always told to imagine myself "In a courtoom, with your logbook on the projector, and the judge in a curly wig calling YOU Captain".
At the end of the day this will all fall on the master. Not having deck closures secured (if even possible), watch schedules, hours of rest, etc is all the master's responsibility. I suspect this is why in history, Masters prefer to go down with their ship.
This could have been prevented when the weather forecast and watch shedules and proper safety procedures(getting all on deck) would have been precicesly followed. Knowing that the boat can´t handle a lot of degrees this is 100% human error and failure and the Master plus crew was responsible for the guests safety and they failed big time sadly! shame on them! The person that night on deck should have been able to read the onboard safety tools such as radar and storm warning tools! You can´t just blame all on the boat design and weather afterall the Crew is handling it and have 1000% responsibility! Strong storms can come and forecats are not 100% accurate! If the crew rules out the worst scenario they are playing russian roulette and should not be employed! if they cant handle it they must be charged with criminal charges bc they are responsbile for every life on board and the guests trusted them! When you are on the water you can´t miss a shift, dismiss a safety procedure and being asleep! Its not an office job.
Yep….this is getting intense!
In nursing school, our professor said the same. Your nursing notes will be laid in front of you, and YOU will have to read and remember. Oh, and CYA (cover your ass). Never got called to court, even once!
"The Pursuit of Success & Averting Drift into Failure - Sidney Dekker" on TH-cam describes this kind of accumulating imperfections (the lecture is too light, the books are better)
no, the yacht was designed outside safe operating envelope, that mast was too high for that ship. even just on anchor it was unballanced and manufacturer stated that keel is used only 60miles outside coastal waters. they will make physics models and prove design was wrong, flawed and that yacht had to have its keel deployed even just on anchor. The Captain will be responsible for schedules, watches... but he did everything manufacturer said and yacht just turned over, the manufacturer will get severe punishment and because of deaths at least chief designer and manufacturer director will get 2-3 years of jail but suspended. people died in super expensive TRAP
They said to me it's better be alive in the court than death in the sea (... street, it was about street fighting)
People forgot that this boat had a beam of more than 10m. This means that when the boat got knocked down a person inside his saloon may have fallen from an 10m height. That’s why some crew got hospitalized
Excellent point.
Also, I have heard at least twice that the boat listed 20 degrees, but then listed to 90 degrees the other way. Therefore, persons might have stumbled to the starboard side, then tossed across the room, or fell essentially to the port wall.
They had glass injuries....on their feet
Yes, it is typical in a monohull sailboat to sleep, while underway, in a narrow berth with a cloth suspended on the side like the railings on a hospital bed to prevent being launched to the other side of the compartment while asleep
@@antonomaseapophasis5142 The cloth is called a "lee cloth." An alternative on my five-berth sailboat is the single "coffin berth", also called a "quarter berth," on the starboard side with little clearance from side to side or top to bottom for harm to the occupant.
EXCELLENT, THE WAY YOU ARE HANDLING ALL OF THESE , MONDAY MORNING QUARTER BACKS! UNBELIEVABLE , THANK YOU!
The best coverage of this incident I’ve been seeing so thus far. Saw some coverage by BBC and there was no comparison to your videos. As more information comes out I am of the opinion that this sudden burst of bad weather happened so suddenly that the crew didn’t have time or very little time to react and the lady’s (with the baby) testimony is leaning towards that.
This is true. But the boat next door had time to get itself organized, start the motor and maintain stability.
Maybe they weren’t hit with the full force of the tornado. But it does seem like they were more proactive in dealing with the situation.
@@richardvivian3665 Watch the interview with the Captain of the Sir Robert Baden-Powell. They didn't suffer a direct hit by the waterspout but Bayesian did. That square topsail schooner is also an entirely different design with a conservative rig (by traditional standards) & far more seaworthy hull design; effectively a little ship rather than a giant boat.
Thank you for the Bayesian update.
I'm a cruiser, former racer and even did a stint as a yacht broker, but I'm no pro. I have two points that I'd love if you can shed some light on. First, I think I may know how the boat got so much water so quickly. I think you are correct that it was a tornado or downspout. Both can contain a huge volume of water being hurled at hundreds of miles per hour. It has so much force, it could pour right into the boat. A downspout explains the focused violence and the volume of water foundered the boat so quickly. If this is the case, I can only imagine the violence with which the boat was hit. It must have been terrifying for those onboard. What say you?
My second question is about the boat design. The angles shared from the designer show a lower stability/righting moment profile than I've seen before. 77 degrees with the keel up is point of no return? I did a little studying of marine architecture, forgive me if I've got this mixed up. But didn't it seem that was a bit off? I have been in boats that have taken knock downs with the mast getting lower than that.
Last. I think the piece some commenters may not be getting is that it was dark. Finding people and recovering them in the midst of an ongoing storm would be nightmarish. And just after the boat was struck by a freight train out of the blue. The real lesson here is "there but for the grace of God go I". This is starting to look like a freak incident - like a rogue wave. Just a risk while at sea, even at anchor. The sea takes it's toll...It's quite interesting to see the human need to blame and explain. The yacht builder seems particularly out of line to me, he would have been best to gripe privately and keep his mouth shut. I don't know how civil liability works in Italy but in the U.S. his statements might be actionable. Bad form, regardless. If I was in the market to build such a yacht, I'd never consider him...
The Italian government Air Force weather forecast was flawed and the design of the yacht is flawed. The yacht builder is Italian. I don’t trust the Italian government at all.
A genuine sea going yacht will generally right itself even if completely upside down.. The Bayesian was built for entertaining in calm seas. Anyway it didn't capsize, it sank. It took on water for some reason. That's what at needs to be determined. Does anyone know the story of the Hokulea, the large ocean going Hawaiian canoe that capsized off the Hawaiian Islands the first night out on its maiden voyage to Tahiti?
Agreed. Considering the circumstances regarding the weather, there was no warning whatsoever nor could there be a warning of such severity. When that downburst hit everyone on deck was swept overboard, from the captain to the crew to the woman with the baby. Many were injured. From that point where they were in the water with the downburst occuring all around them the only thing they could do was to swim to and board one of the life rafts that had deployed before taking any further action. By the time they had boarded the life raft the boat had sunk and there was nothing more to be done. That's the way that I am seeing this.
The suggestions of blaming the crew or captain are without merit and should be tabled. This was an 'act of god' situation that no one could have planned for.
From what I've heard all doors would have been secured just as a matter of course in the best weather at night, so that is also a dead herring. Why would they have those doors open at a time when they were rushing about at 3am trying to secure outside furniture cushions? Does not make any sense.
Absolve the crew of all blame, begin an investigation of the designer and owner of the yacht company and continue from there.
It's not that the boat first got filled with water and then sank but that it heeled beyond the point of recovery. Once it lay on its side water could only have come from the sea. It simply wasn't designed to withstand such a tilt.
@@War4theWest one reason for the 77 degree angle of no return was the length and size of the mast.
Great balanced reporting 👏👏👏
Thank you eSysman for the update video on this sad boat sinking.....
Old F-4 pilot Shoe🇺🇸
You are correct it's a boat sinking. not a ship wreck which would be more like being driven aground in heavy seas. They only thing they need to determine is what factors led to it sinking so quickly.
Excellent reporting. Thank you.
The crew needs good legal representation, this looks like an investigation in search of a scapegoat.
Man, I wouldn't want Italian cops investigating me. It sure looks like the manufacturer of the yacht, Perini Navi, is working hard to blame the crew.
@@kwillow12 Without a doubt...Seven souls ...love ones need truth!..RIP,
Especially considering the builder was Italian
the crew jumping off the boat while the passengers drown
@@mlk4175when it happens so fast this is what happens. The staff is not swimming into the hull to save people, it doesn’t work that way . Silly comment.
I was at sea in the USCG a long time ago I don’t recall ever being as frightened of anything as much as the sea. Lots of has changed since 1974, but the sea is the same. Untamed.
It’s worth emphasising that a boat like Bayesian is not a ‘sailing’ yacht in the traditional sense, that can right itself from 130 degrees. It’s really a ‘sail assisted motor yacht’, with powerful diesel engines, and very heavy. It may look like a bigger version of a normal yacht but this is an illusion created by designers who want to blend the romance of a sailing vessel with the luxury amenities of a superyacht. Hence its righting angle will top out at 70 to 90 degrees or less. The top heavy sloop design rig on the Bayesian would have accentuated this vulnerability.
A sailing yacht is something like Suhaili or Lively Lady. Can’t imagine the like of Bayesian in the Southern Ocean.
I think in the end it will all come down to the hubris of using these floating lounges and hoping that nature will spare you. Yes, the crew probably neglected some security measures but any normal boat under these conditions should have gone for shelter in a port. Any normal sailing boat that had to anchor outside of port would have all on board awake and alert. You are right that the Bayesian is not a sailing yacht, I made this mistake in the beginning, it is a glorified motorsailer.
She's a motorsailer.
Depends if the keel was lowered or not
@@skipper63400I'm not so convinced. If every time we sleep at anchor we all (crew and passengers) had to stay awake all night, I wonder when we would sleep. Only the moments in which we are sailing (in turns) and those in which we are moored to a pier would remain. 😊
There are weather phenomenons that occur that are not painted by radar or other means of determining adverse weather. As an aviator, I encountered one of these and scared some of my passengers. The next morning I got chewed out by my boss for that. After explaining that I didn’t see it on my radar or storm scope, my boss understood. This tragedy seems to be similar to the situation I experienced. Great Video!
Except in this situation, weather warnings were issued.
Did you watch the video ? Even the airforce didn’t see it coming ..
@@MrDarcykampeno they weren’t
One day I was at my auntie's house. She was on the phone with her lawyer. She screams at me: A tornado is coming! Let's go out in the garden and secure what we can and windows. Off we went. Death was in the air, that is all I can say. Back in, luckily the tornado didn't cross the path of our house. It turned a bus full of people on the roundabout and it flew up in the air a pram with a one year old child. Child and pram survived well, grandma was killed. It came out of nowhere in no time. I have only heard of two tornados in my lifetime where I live, we don't get tornados. When nature wants, nature does, and humans do not stands in it's way.
Back in the old days then 😂
Back when we had storm scopes before modern doppler weather radar with look ahead windshear prediction designed to pick up micro bursts.
Yep been though a few dodgy CB’s not painted by 1970’s scopes and radars - luckily my bosses were experienced passengers with a few CAT encounters under their belts so were normally cool with it!
Thanks for the update and explanation. Some of the commenters obviously know little about yachts. I know little of yachts except from your channel and others I follow, but I seem to know more than many. Most sailing catamarans even bigger ones do have openable portholes - often built within a larger window. Perhaps people have seen those and assumed. But cats openable portholes are well above the waterline and a sailing monohull's portlights are much closer to waterline especially when heeling making them need to be unopenable.
Again thanks and please continue with the informed reporting.
It's not even a discussion point since it's confirmed that Bayseian had no port holes that open. Next.
We have been on Auckland harbour with glassy calm water and come around a headland and it’s 60 knots horizontal rain sand blasting your face and then had to attempt to rescue another boat with its anchor down but wrapped around its prop while the waves were towering over the height of our boat. 10 mins later and the isolated weather cell had gone. Fortunately we had called the coastguard to assist so there were witnesses to the ferocity of the storm cell. And that was nothing compared to what happened to this yacht.
I was told by a pilot of a fully laden 757 how his aircraft encountered a downburst and was blown 1000 feet downwards in about 10 seconds. Fortunately there comes a point where the wind changes direction from vertical to horizontal, so he survived.
As someone working in the offshore marine oil and gas industry (and ex superyacht), I find it concerning that the Superyacht industry is not adhering to the MLC 2006 (Marine Labour Convention) regulations regarding manning hours. Compliance with these regulations is a fundamental right for the crew, and misrepresenting rest and work hours constitutes a serious violation. Additionally, if the watertight door for the engine room and the salon doors were left/forced open, it would explain the vessel's rapid sinking, as the accommodation area would have been quickly inundated too, and more than two compartments flooded. There is also mention of the vents that allowed water into the vessel. I am also curious about the location of the stairwell leading to the nearest cabins.
Obviously, the crew were thrown overboard and had to think of their own survival before they could access the life rafts and pyrotechnics to raise the alarm.
Thanks for these daily updates I have a keen interest in this very unfortunate and tragic incident. Your coverage is very informative.
I counted bedding for 10 crew and I think there was 10 crew onboard. It was mentioned I think on this channel that the yacht makers are making smaller and less cabins. If I had the money to own a superyacht, I wouldn't be cheap on the labor to run one or crew quarters. I think most all will think twice about under-manning yachts in the future after this unimaginable tragedy. What an absolute horrible way to die. All I can think of is the scene in Titanic with the water rushing in. Water is so powerful and you stand no chance against it, then to be in the dark as well.
Ny feeling is this type of boat is an extremely expensive toy, and never intended for genuine ocean going world cruising. It is the difference between a race horse and a team of draft mules that do real work.
@@JoeLinux2000 I didn't get the impression rhey were doing anything on purpose beyond the capabilities of the boat. This boat was anchored in a normally calm area though.
look in to 800 billon loss and his parter meet death he was on land same time god bless
When you want more goodies on your ship where do you get more space? So I’m sure the area is small in the first place. I’ve been watching some of these yacht shows and I’m horrified by the behavior and fear that is instilled in these crews. Seems to be all over. And even the crews try like hell but human energy isn’t infinite
This has been my goto source for this story. Regular news coverage is laughable, even bordering stupid.
@@conorflynn4733 That's for sure!!!!!
@@conorflynn4733 as that famous American writer, humorist and former newspaper man Mark
Twain said “ don’t believe anything that you read in the newspapers “
Agreed, I refuse to take in the 'If it bleeds it leads' nonsense of mainstream news media for a very long time now. I want information, not sensationalism.
@@annsheridan12 What about the story of the woman who said she suddenly found herself in the water? That came from news coverage, didn’t it?
this is like getting the inside scoop
I have seen the result of a downburst in the Cascade Mountains outside Seattle. There was an area about a half an acre and all the trees were twisted and mangled on the ground. Some of the trees were 10 feet in diameter. The power of Mother Nature is unbelievable.
Quite a few of the survivors are described having injuries - that could be translation or people being vague, of course you'd expect them to be treated for shock etc - but it sounded like some significant cuts and bruises, more what you'd expect if you were say on the port side and suddenly found yourself falling several metres across the deck into railings and fixtures before you hit the water.
Yes according to the captain of the nearby Dutch schooner The Sir Robert Baden Powell, which escaped the downburst and helped rescue them, 3 had serious injuries.
Also stayed on the Queen Mary, and we had our porthole open. Your videos are wonderful. Thank you. Important to stick to the facts as well as putting them in context especially for those unfamiliar with life on the water. The captain's family are neighbors of my daughter on the North Shore. Your posts are excellent for stamping out rumors and wild speculations.
Outstanding coverage! Bravo
As a former 20-something deck hand, I was given multiple night watches with no training at all. Thankfully it worked out but I never felt like I knew what to do if there was a serious issue
Your results in case of severe weather would have been the same: sunken vessel and lost lives! Training for such circumstances is necessary !
Typical workplace attitudes....leave the lowest in food chain to clean up shitty tasks as it will all be ok and no problem scenario....but what if?....oh dear!
Great update! It was like listening to an expert witness in a court proceeding, explaining the variables of a situation.
miss out 8000 billlon loss
I’m not a boater and don’t know much about any of it but listening to your videos is always helpful. You explain things so clearly.
Maybe Giovanni Costantino should be added to the criminal probe, for making a super-yacht with the 2nd tallest mast on Earth, yet with a down-flooding angle under 45 degrees? Not to mention a stairwell on each side, close to the deck edge, that act as giant water-scoops.
It isn't the tallest mast but tallest for it's length
@@MegaWilderness - I didn't say tallest - I said 2nd tallest. And has nothing to do with boat length. Also, tallest ALUMINUM mast in the world.
A down flooding angle of 45 degrees is a good number for a yacht of these dimensions. It's not a 30 ft racing sail boat.
@@valefur72 - Well, since it SANK on anchor, killing 7 people, I'd have to disagree.
There s nothing wrong with the design of the vessel so long as its' operational limits are clearly, accurately and fully stated in the operator's handbook. Was this the case with 'Bayesian' ? I have no idea. Of course the investigators will also ask the question "did the captain and his crew understand the handbook well enough to make sound decisions about how to manage the vessel ?". That question will need very careful analysis and a lot of information in order to answer properly and accurately.
You sure do an amazingly awesome job!!!
Any sailboat with masts can be knocked down bare poles in a rare and extreme conditions. If a vessel with wide spacious cabins is on its side, the exit door may be 12-14 feet over your head in the master's cabin, and 4 - 12+ feet over one's head in the smaller guest cabins, depending upon if you can get up on the frame of the bed/berth.
Crew quarters being smaller will be easier to exit, in theory. Aircraft have automatic (or manual) emergency floor path lighting. Yachts? You'd need an accessible rope or hand-rail to pull yourself up, ( Doesn't fit the decor!) - if you could even find heads or tails. Mattresses would fall from their bases, and might eventually float. These are not design flaws. They are features inherent in such designs. In some low-side cabins, the mattress might be blocking the exit, floating. If you're in the master's head (Port side) when the boat lays down on its starboard side, you are now 30+ feet up, with no easy / obvious ways down, let alone out. I imagine that it's stupendous to get to sail on such vessels, yet it comes with rare risks. RIP.
I'm guessing that keels down will be the new procedure, except in port. Hindsight is always... They'll need an anti-clunk pretension cylinder for those keels that have a bit of freeplay.
"an anti-clunk pretension cylinder" May never know if keel down would have made the difference. But still, shoulda coulda woulda
@@ThomasD66 The suggestion on one of eSysMan's earlier videos is that the keel made very little difference to the stability of the vessel.
There is a lot BS and lack of understanding flying around now. I would suggest that prior to the boat being hit and flattened all crew were scrambling around this huge boat securing and clearing movable fixtures. At no point were they aware of the wind that was about to hit them or the affect on the boat. It was between 4-5am and pitch black. They would not have seen a water spout or down burst approaching until it was nearly on them. For all those crew and passengers who were up this would have been terrifying. As the boat heeled over they would have been either uncontrollably falling or holding on. With the boat now horizontal no one would be attempting to to go below as it would be impossible. If anyone was just inside they would be fighting the inrush of water to get themselves out. Forget any possibility that crew could enter the boat at this stage. They are ordinarily humans not some imaginary superheroes. This was a survival moment and trying to support anyone else who made it out. It was exceedingly fortunate that the life raft deployed to save them or there would certainly have been more deaths. Of course the investigation must take place and it will but there interested parties who know very well where this is going and it isn’t the crew. There are clear design concerns but they will be looking for any opportunity to muddy them by saying if the crew had done xyz the boat would have stayed afloat. I am sorry but once this boat was knocked flat it was doomed it was unable to recover. The crew had no way to predict or prevent this.
Diese äusserst sachverständigen und um Objektivität bemühten Kommentare sind das beste, was man über dieses Unglück sehen und hören kann. Chapeau!
I've been caught in a few microbursts over the years, stuff can get very bad very quickly.
HI every one.Feddy from Argentina, I happen to be a yachts engineer for almost20 years and also served as engineer in a very similar vessel. by far, this is the only channel providing a thoughtful cautious and properly studdied information. I is otrageous how many other channels are spitting out so much miss-information causing serious harm to the whole situation, and I think specialy to the crew involved ..I think they have no chance of saveing the ship ... and if one would have the full information it is actually not to hard to see the the hand of the Allmighty above this all.. I know .. so many people now will rise they eybraws in dismay..
I have lived hundreds of storms at sea and at anchor... this was exceptional. and they had no chance. It will be to long to explain all the technical aspects that contriubuted to the sinking. but is already very well detailled in the previous videos of this channel.
You need a little imagination with a whole lot of life experience and an enormous amount of reading on all topics to see the crew did their best. Washed overboard in this unforeseen, exceptional circumstance, the - top heavy? - motorised yacht (great and helpful description) already on its side, water overwhelming the whole thing, noise, dark accentuated by driving rain and wind………..
also forgot to add I had the exat same isue with sliding doors on diferent vessels and different sliding door! . The sliding door will swing open some times with suden rolling.
One time on a motoryacht leaving the Kiel cannal were it encounters the north sea, the waves were rather high, cant remember the size but it is actuall not that abnormal for a vessel in the ocean to be in rugh weather with waves crushing over the vessel ...in this kind of situation and that particualr vessel the water will not drain out of the deck fastenough and we had coupleof wavesthat completely filled the deck sideways up to the railings and the water ran aft with the ship very heavy wich could have gone down in that nex wave, as the ship very slowly stabilized the waterin the aft deck about ameter high . imagine about three tones of water on the aft main deck slamed the aft main sloon sliding door, but . bi amiracle ( that kind of event that worldly people pretend does not exist) the door did not brake naither open, though this times the doors were latched as we were for ocean crossing and no guest on board, we turned around and by another miracle did not capsized while turning around and made it back to port to wait for bether weather for our essel. sorry for long story and for my poor english, is very rusyty
You may have already covered this, but there are vent systems that circulate the air from various parts of this yacht, including guest quarters... and these vents are placed around the hull just below the deck line ... Esysman, Your coverage is always the best... our thanks to you and your team always.. We love you, man.❤🎉
I don't know. That's something that should be looked into.
The vent system was covered in the last video.
Everyone needs to be interviewed here, crew and (surviving) passengers alike. Not because we are trying to affix blame, rather to set the baseline for what happened in a chaotic, scary event.
If you've been around boats you know what happened. They can be pretty rough without being knocked over.
And drug tested.
@@thereissomecoolstuff too late
@@JustMe-gs9xi definitely way to late.
You need investigators who know port from starboard and it appears the Italian prosecutor knows neither and given the many cases where Italian law enforcement interfered in aviation accident investigations, they can't find their butts with both hands and printed instructions!
This is why you let the professionals handle investigations - not amateurs.
Thank you for clarifying so much of this, people are going crazy with assumptions and it’s so intense as as a seafarer to be accused by people that have no idea about the operations - I have no platform nor am I the right position to say anything, but you have put my nerves at ease, so thank you!
The previous captain actually stated that most of the keel's weight - which weighs about 200T - was in a fixed position and only a dagger-board-style keel could be lowered to the max draft. This means that most of the stability was independent of whether the keel was lowered or raised. It makes sense to me that they would not be lowering and raising a 200T keel. It surprises me you didn't mention this because you otherwise are very proficient. Mind you English is not my first language, so I hope you understand what I mean and also I'm not a sailor so I have no idea about dagger-boards. I am however an engineer and so I have a good grasp of the concept of stability. I am under the impression that either the press or prosecutor also aren't sailors.... I fully imagine the crew never expected to be in this situation this fast and probably found themselves in the water or injured and thus unable to assist the guests. Also why were some guests on the deck at night (I believe the mother and child were) and others remained in their cabins. Maybe the ones that were saved already left their cabins because of the rough weather? I - as many - am very curious to understand what exactly happened. I can't imagine the captain or crew not assisting the guests if that had been in any way an option.
Stunningly sad, stunningly sudden, such horror does occur. Very very sad.
Great reporting! Thank you!
the storm is coming all the crew race to the outside to secure chairs, cushions, and anything that can be blown over the side, the severity of the yacht heeled to the side sending all the crew into the water, I have been in a similar situation myself
The weather can change quickly. Sailing with a friend. In the morning the wind was only 5 knots. We got bored and anchored. To wait for the tide so we could get back into harbour. In the afternoon a dark cloud appeared on the horizon and quickly approached. Within 10 minutes the wind increased from 5 knots to 50. Returned to the harbour with just a small amount of jib sail. Considerably faster than we had been sailing in the morning with both sails.
good stuff esysman
I fear that this is becoming a "witch hunt" with everyone in that Court room missing the "elephant in the room". I reiterate my comment made days ago, let this be a lesson to all yacht designers and manufacturers that safety foremost not ego. I really hope that the evidence you are bringing forward will somehow get to where it needs to and that the manufacturer (who was TOO quick off the mark) will be hounded as much as these crew members are. I am rooting for this team beyond all measure now!
Your videos are excellent. I feel like they are just grasping at straws to throw someone under the bus as they say in the states.
Independently of legal responsibilities or possible mistakes having been made, it should be remembered that the crew not only went through the same ordeal as the passengers, but beyond sharing the same trauma, they would also be facing numerous psychological burdens: confronted with feelings of guilt and self doubt, in fear of legal repercussions and in fear for their livelihood.
They deserve a minimum of empathy and human compassion.
We don't know whether mistakes were made or not, but I want to say to the hyaenas who relish pointing the finger:
Let those who never make mistakes throw the first stone.
Exactly! Also, for the crews, working on a luxury yacht is no picknick! It sounds to me like very hard work for little pay and little in the way of gratitude from the owner / guests. Witness the very cramped living spaces for the crew.
Totally agree...the crew went through hell
@@TheEvertwvery well paid. That’s why they do it. So that’s not an issue.
Thank you for the update 😊
Very well presented..clear, accurate and detailed on all matters concerning the sinking of the yacht and the unasked questions and doubts that we all want a clarification on.
As a sailors'/ Captains daughter, have sailed on many a voyage and this is particularly close to my heart..
When we have an incident such as this where the manufacturer is quick to blame the crew and the governing body follows the manufacturers path, let's not forget the Boeing Max "MCAS" narrative.... How quick they were to tarnish the pilots and make false claims... In this instance I hope the "investigators" persue the manufacturer with equal fervor..... The CEO of the Italian Co. seems tone deaf.... In the little bit that's been brought out as facts, seems there are design issues and potential procedural issues....
All the worse, they blamed the captains of Lion Air and Ethiopian because they were 👨🏿✈️👨🏾✈️. Said it wouldn't have happened to an "American" crew👨🏼✈️👨🏼✈️.
Of course the common factor is Manufacturer and Investigator Italian, crew foreigners. Look forward to some long sentences and destroyed careers.
I have my doubts they will want to tarnish the designer …it appears protecting the mega rich and yacht’s entering italian waters may be the priority given they are openly accusing people before the investigation has even started . There will be a lot of pressure on the investigation to wrap it quickly given the billions and people involved .i can’t help thinking that in the end money will drive this . Money talks very loudly
@@stephengrimmer35 The brits are also involved in the investigation since the boat was UK registered. They won't allow this to be a white wash to protect an Italian business... The truth will out eventually.
Haven't heard much from Mr Constantino since his statement. Or have I not been listening in the right places?
Italian courts are very indipendent
Prior Captain states per stability specs that you only need a 40 to 45 degree heel angle for water to enter the ventilation hatches for the generators. you know the generators are running and if it reaches 40 to 45 degrees you have water coming in. Forget the lazarrette hatch, there are much lower points of ingress.
This whole situation is so absurd and surreal, I can't believe any one thing could happen, let alone all of them together. This is so cursed.
Thank you for such a thoughtful analysis of actual facts and information
Thank you, Sysman and staff! ❤
thanks for the updated info cheers
In the event of an accident it's always the pilot / train driver / skipper that is blamed. It's an escape route for the management that may have reduced staff, maintenance etc and cut corners. When did you ever hear of an accountant being blamed for withholding funds essential for safe operation?
The ultimate responsibility is with the owners and the Captain and crews working for them. The owners of the yacht will bear the responsibilities of the dead passengers onboard. Why ? Death occur in a private yacht. Ie in your house. Yacht sunk with the owners , captain and crew hired by the owners. Exactly why the owners are responsible for the yacht, captain , crew and passengers. 😮
@@NomenClature-o8s According to reports, the boat capsized so quickly due to a microburst that they were thrown off the boat. If this is true, then there was no opportunity for them to get passengers off before the boat went down. It's generally better to let the investigation to run its course before drawing any conclusions.
@@NomenClature-o8s The master of the vessel is the captain when he is onboard ie the owners 😂
@@joakimlindblom8256 negligence and culpability is the most obvious reason because acts of God and terrorism is not included in any insurance policy when deaths occur and vessel was sunk when anchored outside the port. Maritime law requires the safety protocols to investigate deaths and shipwrecks.
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Good stuff
Thank you for the update
Your videos are so important on this tragedy. You have experience, context and an open mind. The so much
I know nothing about ships and boats. But this is a huge story. And so I turn to you, the expert - but the expert who is able to explain all dimensions of this tragedy with such insight, and in a way that I find both comprehensive and illuminating. Meaning I remain fascinated and shocked, but aware of utterly new angles, questions and reflections. Thank you.
FYI a 150 mph downburst gives NO WARNING.
there was no downburst. or waterspout. it was a deluge, sometimes called a cloudburst. There is only one person at fault, the captain.
@@LiveFromLondon2 a deluge would not have capsized the vessel. Just compute the wind resistance of the mast and what speed of wind would be required to capsize the vessel.
except it was august and violent thunderstorm. not even tornados sank ships in minute, so what happened. all the other vessels were unharmed. and no, it wasn't because this particular ship was targeted by mother nature.
@@LiveFromLondon2You are well aware of what the Italian Air Force said on the matter, namely that it was a downburst, and that they detected when it happened but would not have been able to predict it.
I'm getting fed up with the amount of disinfo in this comments section, especially considering how insensitive it is towards people who actually lost friends in this tragedy (yes they are here, I've seen their comments).
Try to have some consideration, and think how you would feel if you had lost someone, and encountered comments such as yours.
You're not the only person I've said this to, so don't feel picked on lol, but I am serious
@@flowsnake8732 100% correct.
Well done 👏
Seems to me that this was just a freak incident owing to bad weather and possibly a badly designed yacht. Sadly she probably went down far too fast for the sleeping guests below deck to get out of danger.
@@latristessdurera8763 While you are certainly correct this was a freak incident and bad luck due to bad weather, it is also the case that: these things happen. It is the responsibility of the professionals who designed, built, certified, and operated the vessel to defend her and their mere passengers from the sea. Which is remorseless and lethal.
It is not the case the yacht "went down far too fast for the sleeping guests below" to survive. It took many minutes. It was for example on the order of a half hour (per this channel yesterday if I recall correctly) before the onset of the freak weather, until the flare went up from the life raft. Certainly just based on the AIS track there was plenty of time for all souls to abandon ship.
The problem is the ship was designed in a such a way that, in this situation, they couldn't. Or manifestly, didn't. Why?
Please see the book "Why Buildings Fall Down" by a phenomenal Italian structural engineer who writes vividly and dispassionately about how disasters like this happen. More than they should. And for specific non random reasons, for whom nameable culpable individuals and corporations can and should be held accountable.
Why? Because if we as a species don't do that, then others will die. Inevitably. And for the exact same reasons.
Book:
Why Buildings Fall Down: How Structures Fail, by Mario Salvadori and Matthys Levy, Kevin Woest
(Illustrator).
It is one of the best books ever written about complex failure, and human factors. Typically, arrogance, overconfidence, or sheer stupidity. For example in one mass-fatal incident described in the book, an engineer designed something literally impossible to make. And so predictably the folks who made it, didn't make it as designed (because that was impossible). And so it failed, and many people died. Just one example. Sadly, things like this happen more often than they should.
In other examples from the book the authors explain how a series of complex low-probability events that cause failures and death is sometimes a) a true "act of God" or black swan event that is perceived as impossible to anticipate, and b) the inevitable consequence of incompetence. In fact both are avoidable. If we learn from reality, rather than denying it or passing the buck to mere insurance companies. People are dead. More people still alive remain at risk, until we understand how and why this happened and ensure this particular failure mode is mitigated against going fwd.
Looks that way to me, too
Yep. It was at anchor in a sheltered bay. Having said that it is reasonable to conduct an investigation. So long as it is focussed on improving safety rather than a witch hunt which is how it appears.
It is not badly designed, but not the type of yacht suitable for such a violent sudden squal. Very few yachts are designed for extreme seas. They would look like a life boat if they were.
Thank you very much for your calm, professional, and extremely well-informed viewpoints. I have been watching for quite some time and always enjoy your videos. Thank you for the effort you put into creating them (and especially for the editing time). You have an outstanding Channel and I look forward to each of your videos. I am a past live-aboard boater and past flight crew so I value your engineering viewpoints highly
I am delighted that you have addressed many issues that have been in the media from people with no idea whatsoever about yachts. In the video you posted about the storm in NZ that knocked over the 45 meter boat in a second, anybody on the deck would have been thrown with huge force either into the water, against the dock or onto the dock if she was alongside and would have been lucky to survive without serious injury. Ditto anyone inside that yacht.
The porthole business is just nonsense. Airconditioned boats like this do not have anything that opens except hydraulically functioning hatches. Even the saloon doors are electrically operated on buttons or sensors. We didn't use the storm hatches for cruising around but for ocean passages without guests we certainly did, and you are right, it's pitch black in the crew quarters.
The crew hours of rest are a giant fiction. I once asked, when told to alter my hours as they were so far over the limit, why it was demanded of me to falsify a legal document that could be used against me. Answer was basically do it or find yourself on the dock with your suitcase. Ex superyacht crew.
I also would have no idea really if I had been on the bridge as boat chef and not a qualified officer, how to read the radar if it was even on. It was explained to me how the AIS works and I could see how to identify vessels nearby, course, speed nearest point of passing etc but I did not know how to operate it. I understood how to use the VHF, EPIRB etc because I've got a VHF certificate and Emergency drills are carried out by all crews every month or should be (but often if we had long owners trips, you had to do loads of drills when the guests were gone, to catch up with the obligations). The young guy on the bridge could have called the Captain if he was uncertain, but he probably just thought, it's weather, nothing out of the ordinary. By the time the proverbial hit the fan it was far too late.
@@andyblyth4519 You are alleging that some/many masters of maritime vessels choose deliberately to operate a long way outside both maritime laws and the various operational regulations. Is that correct ?
I’ve worked on 3 of the 56m Perini Navi yachts, plus a 54m and 43m. None of the portholes open.
The crew obviously did not have the choice to wake up the guests, given any chance at all I am certain they would have.
I do want to add one thought, and also say thanks for the always thoughtful coverage. A police investigation does not mean a crime has been committed, rather that they need to determine if one was committed. All it means is that the circumstances are such that an investigation is warranted, and I believe that's so actually. Nobody has been charged with a crime yet, if that happens, then yes, we are in a different place. But the cops may very come to the conclusion you did after dispassionate analysis. Or they may come up with more facts we are unaware of, in either event I don't think the crew/captain are being persecuted just because there is an investigation. 6 people died, there should be a police investigation.
It's the commenters on these threads that have no experience with yachts that are making accusations of faulty design and negligent seamanship by the crew. Not all crew are as knowledgeable as they should be. Their qualification is more their ability to entertain the rich. True sailors won't get along with the wealthy for the very reason they are actual seamen, and fully understand the dangers.
@@War4theWest 7 people. 😢
I suspect that they might be being persecuted, because of that almost immediate attack on them by the builder. That had “ass-covering” and “guilty knowledge” written all over it.
There’s a huge power imbalance, especially in Italy, itself, between a major, Italian, super-yacht builder and two or three, expatriate yacht crew. I think they need some big hitting lawyers to make sure they’re not being used to cover for the designer/builder of a yacht that couldn’t recover from a 90° knock-down.
The sole surviving passenger, with her baby, is actually the registered owner of the Bayesian. She was Lynch’s wife, and I presume he “gifted” her the yacht, possibly so that it wouldn’t be seized if he’d lost his case in the USA. She supports the crews’ statements that it went from normal summer storm, heeling at 20°, to pitched overboard, all in a matter of seconds. I’d be surprised if the Bayesian hadn’t ridden out at least a couple of similar storms every year of her life without anybody turning a hair.
@@JoeLinux2000 Successful crew on supers get that way because they have found a way to keep the wealthy happy whilst also keeping the boat safe. There will of course be compromises. I don't think this incident is the result of compromises.. The facts are being laid out slowly; we should all hold off on our assumptions until they are all known. Worth remembering that this was a mostly british crew, so I'd deffo hold off on assumptions.
Don't forget the politics angle. It would be very bad for the industry and all the related businesses if potential passengers were left with the impression that sometimes bad things happen to good people. Especially given that the sorts who are passengers on these craft tend to be the sorts who are otherwise largely insulated from life's harsher realities.
Might be thought 'better' by the powers that be to fix at least some blame.
Scapegoats being a longstanding European tradition.
Way to much speculation about the crew, I'm a retired superyacht captain and worked on a Perini Navi some years ago, we had problems with the big heavy automatic glass doors to the main saloon in rough weather, especially if the yacht was heeled over. Looking at those videos of other yachts hit by tornados, all the windows on the main deck could have been blown out allowing a huge volume of water to enter the vessel and the yacht to heel over rapidly throwing everyone into the sea, lots of the injuries received were from broken glass. I don't for one minute think all the crew members abandoned ship and left the guests alone. Wait for the inquiry to conclude before making ill informed comments, crew were risking their lives too, and the crew also have families
They could have ended up the hero's in this tragic event if things had played out differently. I strongly urge crew to employ the best maritime lawyer they can find. It's obvious they prosecution are looking for scapegoats as the inquiry has not even started. The yachtbuilders spokesperson had already blamed the crew within two hours of the catastrophic event happening, no big surprise there
I worked for a Superyacht company in Auckland, my Boss really disliked those heavy glass and stainless steel sliding doors that were all the rage to enter the Saloon for a while. If anything was going to go wrong, it would be those doors.
@brianmurray8331. thank you for making that point about windows (not the portholes) on the main deck. According to the report allegedly from Mr. Lynch's wife, she was awakened by a sudden, big disturbance and had time to go to the deck to see what happened, cutting her feet on broken glass as she did this. (May have been when other passengers congregated in the one cabin). Based on that and the land camera video of the yacht mast, where the top mast light disappeared and then reappeared, could there have been two roll events, with the second one being the fatal one? It's very hard to see how anyone could have made it topside, or anywhere else, when the yacht heeled over 70-90 degrees and it was then pitch dark below deck.
@@brianmurray8331 my thoughts exactly.. The crew seem to be in a catch 22 with the blame firmly on their shoulders before the investigations even started.
your explanation does in no way explain away the simple but important responsibility of the Captain and crew to assure guests safety!
There is no "prosecution". The statutory accident investigation is being conducted by MAIB (part of UK Department of Transport) and I can promise you they are both highly competent and sea-green incorruptible. The Italian police are conducting an investigation in order to establish whether or not the disaster was caused by criminal acts or omissions; this is normal practice in developed countries. Costantino (CEO of the shipbuilders' parent company) has been running his mouth for PR purposes and to limit reputational damage, but it is doubtful that he will have any influence on either of the formal investigations.
Fascinating! Thanks for following this
Thank you for talking so much sense about this subject. That's sense backed up with obvious deep knowledge, all too rare on this instance.
They’re looking for a scapegoat here. This obviously happened extremely quickly. I’m a former fisher, a boater & I know that sometimes weather comes up so quick there is no warning and little or no time to react. Also, that 75 meter mast is, to me, and IMO, a stupid design flaw.
Life is full of coincidences but that Mr Chamberlain, Finance Officer and also in Court in the USA was killed while jogging on a quiet road in Cambridgeshire.
He was killed on Saturday lunchtime.
The yacht went dowm at about 2.30 am on Monday.
There is more to the story. When so much money is involved crime is never far away.
My wife and I stayed on the QE 2 in Longbeach what an memorable time . Hope you enjoyed it as much as we did .
Great updates from you.
Accidents and incidents happen we think with x technology, x advancement, x knowledge etc.
They wouldn't happen but no matter what we have learnt over the year's accidents and incidents will continue to happen.
Thank you, keep working.
It should be absolutely clear that the Italian Authorities have not pressed charges against anyone as per yet. No one has been accused nor indicted. All they did was notifying the key crew figures that they are being investigated, which is a form of protection, and entitles them to seek legal defence and expert consulting in their favour, and choose whether to answer or not. No one is guilty here until proven as such after at least 3 degrees of Court judgments (by different Courts). Does anyone believe that there should not be any investigation and that the people involved should not be asked any questions following this tragedy?
@@deborahponzio3179 yeah, this... I'm not particularly fond of our legal system, but I have the feeling many among the public are content to transfer whatever knowledge they may have of their to make unreasonable comments.
Your lack of rest would be ignored until something bad happened.
Then someone would use it against you.
Lack of rest is an excuse, that man was rich, he wanted to celebrate well with his friends and family, if he had told him look for this trip I need a better crew he would have started giving you 200 thousand euros just to make you buy sweets.
@@pacoxxi3302 A friend of mine’s father kept a yacht in Monte Carlo in the 90s. A basic was 2 chefs…
Not against him but against a management company which is in charge of hiring and staffing the yacht and assuring smooth operation
@@will5989 There are many luxury hotels where food is available 24/7. Guests may expect the same level of service on-board, in which case you need at the very minimum two chefs working 12 hours on, 12 hours off. In better regulated environments, you generally need 5 people to cover a standard pattern of 8 hours on/16hours off - this allows for holidays and sickness.
@@olasek7972 In the UK, health and safety laws and regulations hold both employer and employee responsible for upholding the law. In practice, the employer is prosecuted for breach of law, whilst the employee is charged with whatever damage s/he caused.
If Down Bursts are anything like Microbursts no one whould have any time to do anything during it. And would barely have any time to do much afterwards until it calmed down.
I've been on the edge of a microbirst when I lived in a small mountain town. I can't imagine what it would be like while in/on water. (Or airplane)
Likewise. Microburst terrifying. In one in car on open plains. Sky turned almost green. Car shook like tornado. I am also a sailor and can’t imagine being on water in one.
From Google's AI:
A downburst is a general term for a localized strong wind event caused by a thunderstorm's downdraft. A microburst is a specific type of downburst that's smaller than 4 kilometers across and lasts 2-5 minutes. Downbursts can also be categorized as macrobursts, which are larger and last longer than microbursts.
Downbursts can produce winds that exceed 100 miles per hour, which is as strong as a tornado. From a distance, downbursts can look similar to tornadoes, but they tend to leave behind straight-line damage that radiates outward in a starburst shape. Tornadoes, on the other hand, often have longer, meandering paths of damage and sometimes leave a swirling pattern on the ground.
Downbursts can be wet or dry, depending on whether rainfall accompanies the damaging winds. Wet microbursts can produce wind speeds of 60-125 miles per hour and can be accompanied by a large splash of water.
Downburst is wind. Microburst is the same action but with a massive amount of rain. Downbursts have caused plane crashes. I've seen damage from Microbursts and it's just as horrific as tornadoes and straight line winds but a small area. Meteorologists can tell which phenomenon caused damage on land by the damage pattern. If it was a Downburst or Microburst, I can't imagine the boat not sinking.
I have been in a microburst in a medium size aircraft, and it was extremely unpleasant. It arrived without any warning and I saw nothing for around a minute because of the intensity of the water and the wind; the sound was deafening and almost overpowering. The aircraft was falling so rapidly that I felt like I was weightless; I could see the altimeter going berserk and then as we reached the bottom of the burst the experience of being blown sideways at the same speed was even worse. In such circumstances the brain is unable to interpret the signals it receives from its motion sensors and you experience all sorts of weird illusions. I don't frighten easily, but I was very frightened, not least because I had no ability to do anything and no idea what to do. It ended as suddenly as it began and after a go-round, I landed safely a couple of minutes later.
I have spoken to an airline pilot whose plane, weighing around 120 tons, was blown downwards 1,000 feet in less than 10 seconds by a microburst. The traces from his black box were extremely interesting.
@@TerryKeever Tornadoes and water spouts are low pressure events where things tend to get sucked upwards into the stream of air and water; downbursts and microbursts are very high pressure events where the stream of air and water drives things downwards and then horizontally.
I like your professional factual concise presentation. It's excellent. Don't change it.
In the video of the other yacht in New Zealand being shoved over nearly 90%, the thing that gets me is that there doesn't seem to be much surface area for the wind to push against. A mast, the side of a low cabin, and the side of the hull above the waterline. And yet it could nearly instantaneously push this over, against the resistance of the keel. What counteracting force would that have been ( 80 or 90 tonnes?) against the the wind pushing against a relatively small area. The wind must have been like a hurricane.
I've been many times outside well predicted weather. When on night watch, I always had the opportunity to arouse the captain or to call for everyone to help. I've called the captain a few times. Normally, he spent less than a minute assessing the situation and gave direction for sail changes or course changes. I see no way for the on-watch sailor to determine an emergency, contact the captain, and arouse crew during this event. It is sad to think that he could be held accountable for the outcome.
Watch-hands have strictly limited authority. For all but the most straightforward occurrences, their only choice is to rouse the officer of the watch. Even within their limited terms of reference, it is possible for them to be negligent and it is right that the relevant authorities should check whether or not this was the case.
@@hb1338 Clarification of my position. This event was a sudden downburst according to what I have seen. It would not provide time for a watch-hand to realize the peril, contact the captain, and obtain directions from the captain, and arouse the crew. It is unreasonable to expect the on-watch person to have influence over this outcome. I agree that it is possible for a watch-hand to have negligence. Just not in the situation as we know this to be.
The investigation's primary objective should be to identify the root cause or causes. Keep asking "why" and you will eventually identify the root cause or root causes. Refer to the DNV scat analysis incident causation model as a starting point
refer to the captain as a starting point.
'Bayesian' was registered in the UK, so under international maritime law the *accident* investigation is being carried out by the UK statutory authority, the Marine Accident Investigation Branch, which is part of the Department of Transport. International transport law (both aviation and maritime) requires statutory bodies to produce a narrative report which describes what happened and how and why it happened. That report may not be ascribe fault or blame, nor may it be used by other organisations to ascribe fault or blame. Because the disaster occurred in Italian coastal waters, the *judicial* investigation is being undertaken by the Italian (Sicilian) police.
@@LiveFromLondon2 *Everybody* who is considered relevant will be interviewed; unlike you, the investigators work with open minds. Testimonies will be taken from everyone who was on board, eye witnesses (land and sea), the rescue and recovery units, even the meteorologists in the Italian air force.
Due to the unexpected and confirmed downburst, I don't see any culpability in the actions of the crew of the Bayseian. It was an act of nature. Since part of the crew was on deck stowing various items, it's highly likely doors were left open .... but none of the crew knew a downburst was about to happen. There shouldn't be any charges filed.
They were on deck while the anchors were dragged 400m - didn't anyone notice?
@@John-G Anchor alarm was probably going off in the captain's (empty) cabin. Otherwise, in the midst of a rising storm and hurrying to stow gear it seems quite possible nobody took note, or thought to take note. Tend to agree with ScubaSteve - rushing to get everything on deck stowed says the doors were not secured as doing so would tend to greatly slow what you otherwise want to be a rapid process.
Nobody should be charged! It was an act of god moment! RIP
@@John-Gif you’ve ever experienced a downburst….
Visibility is close to zero in pounding rain and winds up to 100mph, with the boat healed at 20-90 degrees. It’s like being in a washing machine. Anyone outside would have been helpless. Inside so many alarms would have been going off. Dragging anchor a few hundred meters out to sea was the least of their worries!
@@ThomasD66 Come on ... "nobody took note" that the anchor was being dragged for 400 m because they were too busy stowing the cushions? If that's the case someone had their priorities badly wrong.
Great reporting. 🙏✌️💜
Excellent reporting and assessment!
A lot of very rich and powerful people have a stake in how this ends
I saw an episode of 'Below Deck' recently where a green deckhand left a porthole open in his cabin
@willtobias5280 If you believe anything from a tv show, I've got a bridge to sell you.
oh right, it was a fake boat.. a set was it@@glenndennis6801
First, excellent review
Excellent stuff. Thank you.
We were on the Italian yacht Toy sail boat about 150ft, 1980. In the Gulf of Lyon we got hit by a sudden storm,a rogue wave came from the port side and we went over, but were righted by the keel. We had MANY large windows onboard and the storm covers hadn't been put on. All windows broke and we took on a ton of water. Our Dancom radio was full of water and the captain's sexton flew off the table and broke, we were lost in the med. But reminds me of this ALOT. I was a guest, we were heading from Cannes to St Thomas.
As far as ultimate stability angles are concerned, i hope everyone who's ever had a vacation on a large cruise ship realizes that the ultimate stability angles on your fancy giant cruise ship are rarely more than 50 degrees...
The Golden Ray capzized. making turn leaving the harbor.
Failure to close a deadlight was the cause of the catalogue of errors that caused the loss of the Ocean Ranger of the Grand Banks of Newfoundland more than 40 years ago
Excellent presentation! Former US Navy officer. I've watched several of the videos and there are many comments by people with no idea what they are talking about. I live in "Tornado Alley" Nebraska and have seen what a tornado is capable of many times. The video showing the catamaran flipping and the yacht healing was a great demo. Thank you.
Are there eye witnesses of the tornado that hit the Bayesian? I wish there were! But at 4am everyone was sleeping!
@@lauralucca4184 If 'Bayesian' was hit by anything, it was a microburst, not a tornado.
thanks for the update.
Excellent report!