NUMA Enabled Vs. DISABLED - Can Dual Xeons Play Games Better in 2020...?
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If you build yourself a budget Dual Xeon Gaming System, or if you even have a Ryzen Threadripper chip, then does leaving the NUMA Setting On or OFF net you more or less FPS in games? Well today we test a variety of titles at 1080p and 1440p to find out the answer in 2020. (Note: support for NUMA based systems has come a long way in the last few years for Windows 10 users).
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I don't know if I need my NUMA enabled or disabled, but I have the Tech YES Subscriber and bell buttons enabled.
Try it. See if you like how it runs. My motherboard is just a single socket AM4 based one and it has the ability to have 4. Just make sure you know how to clear your CMOS if it doesn't work out and the system refuses to post or boot because of a bad setting. Some UEFI (BIOS) settings can do these things. I just never mess with the voltages and so when I do a setting it doesn't like I can usually come out of it with no damage. There may even be a patch for Logofail for your board. I have no clue if it actually works but I updated mine with a patched firmware for it. BIOS updates are the worst when they go wrong so get the exact one for yours and if in doubt don't do it!!
@@Myself-yh9rr ...I run a haswell board.
The Numa numa guy
I'm so glad to see windows scheduler is finally catching up to something that should have been here since 2003 (that is when first numa dual K8 systems appeared). Few years back on my 2x12core Xeon system I had to use process lasso to manually lock every game to a single CPU otherwise I would lose about 30% of the performance. The key here is the L3. You want all the threads of the game to be sitting in the same L3 block so they can communicate with each other trough it and don't have to jump to RAM for data they cannot find in the cache. And said data are in the cache of the other CPU cause the thread is there, well, they can never find it.
The system has its benefits tho. In the same way you can lock your OBS encoder for example on the other CPU and in the end they end up not stealing each others cache and memory bandwidth and you have pretty much no slowdown in your game compare it to just run both and let windows deal with it fiasco.
at this point, Bryan needs to legally add "Xeon" to his full name.
cuz he ain't living without it.
If anyone's actually wondering or see this or want to buy it. The motherboard is named X8DTL
There are a few variants like ones with iKVM, SAS3, SAS6, etc...
Thank you. I am interested.
@@Trick-Framed No problems! It's a great motherboard if you can get it cheap. If you can get away with it, you can use the HDMI on your GPU for sound in some circumstances. Mine is the SAS variant as well so it does use more resources out of the chipset and makes it generate more heat and some GPUs might block the airflow for the chipset which may cause it to shut down. I affixed small fans to the chipset and SAS controller to make intense gaming sessions better.
@@MarcoGPUtuber thank you Marco!
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I love these videos tinkering with weird old hardware combinations and extracting some great performance from them. Never change, Bryan.
Loving that 2 cpu build Bryan!
Thanks Bryan. I'll check this setting out in the bios of my HP Z600 dual X5650 Unity pc.
Happy Stralya day.
Cheers, Mon from Brisbane.
happy straya day :)
Hey, happy Straya day. From Murica
This dual xeon is one of the cooles builds! So glad the Motherboard came back to life.
Good stuff like always Bryan, but just watch these kind of board go up in price now that you’ve done a video on how well these work even for old hardware! X58 xeons for life! ✌🏼
I would not say that NUMA-control is just optimization.
It is one heck of a job to get that right as until very recently (in program-language-timescales) in C++ you had to rely on a variety of different libraries and the handling changed dramatically with different OS-versions even.
NUMA means that there are different "regions" of memory, were one region is faster to access than others. This is nearly always the case with multi-socket systems where one CPU has direct access too the memory-banks next to it, and slow access (going through some hoops) to the memory connected to the other sockets. This was also one of the reasons why Threadripper 2xxx had such problems with memory-access and why AMD then had to release a tool to essentially disable cores.
If the CPUs are configured correctly (as in reporting the topology of the memory correctly) then the OS can handle most of that - and this is what server-CPUs supporting multi-sockets actually do, and what Threadripper did not.
In that case the OS will try to keep programs, whenever possible, in 1 NUMA-node, or if it needs multiple - splits it so that there is as little cross-talk between the nodes as possible as that is the slow part.
"low clocked memory such as 2133mhz" *looks at my ddr3 1333mhz... = =
One can achieve the best performance by filling up all the DIMM slots with highest MHz sticks supported by the board .
Neither patronizing nor taunting . Submitted that sincerely :)
You also have lower latencies on that one. I mean okay the data transfer and packaging performances might mot be equal to ddr4 kits but still ddr3 rocks
600mhz ddr2
i have ddr2 12 gb, if it makes you feel better and it still kicks ass in all the AAA titles...
I have 24GB DDR3 1600MHz 9-9-9-24
I didn't know about this setting or even what it is until you brought it up Bryan. Very interesting topic.
Best information on this channel. Simply the best. Just wanna game on my dual 2697 v3 machine with 128GB DDR4 ECC for extreme performance quad channel RAMDisk to run games off of. For my 480 (8Gig Gigabyte G1) its extremely more stable being a 580 than being a 480. I mean temps 15 degrees lower. To get it stable the only thing needed to be done was -2% memory clock. I also turned up the fan a bit since I care more about not cooking the card than noise. I also cranked the fan speed up when it was still a 480, but the temps were still 15 degrees higher for some reason.
Love ya YES!!
Keep it up I hope your channel keeps growing you certainly work hard enough
For your guy with the rx 480/580 question: Just overclock it to the 580s speeds using the AMD control panel before you attempt any flashing. If you do flash make sure that in addition to the typical device id stuff you also make sure that the memory chips in your 480 are the same as the ones that the 580 bios is intended for, the timings will be different if the chips are different and that can cause problems
The RX580 consumes significantly less power in idle because of a lower core voltage on the lowest power stage. The AMD driver also rejects edited RX480 bioses while it is okay with edited RX580 BIOS. That's why I still flashed my RX480 to an RX580.
But I would not recommend to flash a graphics card without dual BIOS switch. I just bricked one of my RX480s with a failed BIOS flash.
uzefulvideos woah, there is actually an RX470/80 without duel BIOS?!? I’ve never heard of one being bricked before as I’ve never seen a single BIOS version of the card. Also did you try reflash with it in a secondary slot (so you have a display on another card) to try reflashing?
Yeah having to run ATI-mdag pixel patcher after driver updates is super annoying, but at least it works unlike modern Nvidia cards (for example all Pascal requiring hardware circuit mods, which I shouldn’t have to purposely short out parts on a $1200 Titan Xp just because it suffers from frame drops from power throttle even at stock with power limits raised to the max allowable of +20%... It’s so much nicer having “Palpatine mode” as I call my “Unlimited Powa!” unlock on my RX 470s which are happy pulling 300w even on air for 3dMark benching)
@@jakegarrett8109 I have an Asus RX480 that doesn't have a BIOS switch. My XFX RX 580 has one though.
@@jakegarrett8109 It's the MSI RX 480 GAMING X 8G. During the flashing process my system crashed (I had Furmark running during flashing) and now it doesn't shop up as a device anymore. I couldn't even reflash flash the VBIOS with atiflash in FreeDOS, I always get an "Adapter not found" error message.
@@uzefulvideos3440 Buy a new bios chip
That PG case looks so fine!
That kernel joke made laugh too hard may have even snorted .
Making me do the work.. wanted to see how it did against the i9. Now I have to rewatch and pause the last video to match with this video. 🤯
Hi Brian. You can make that pc boot thru a uefi shell called "clover" on a usb stick on the internal usb port. That should fix your gpu issue. This was how i was able to get my dual x5680 pc to boot on an nvme ssd. Nice build btw
Great video, can't wait to get my dual xeon rig up and going (scored one for $20 US)
What camera are you using? The quality of the video is nice 👍
I use dual RGB bios on most of computers, which gives me free boost in most games
LOL . Superb .
All this video is missing is some sweet corn kernel b-roll :D
Question is though, which Kernel do you prefer?
Hypothesis here:
The games with no performance increase may not be NUMA aware - meaning that they cannot utilize it even if it is enabled so they access memory across both CPUs as if it is just one processor.
Hypothesis 2: the reason some games had little difference at 1440P was potentially that system ram was being utilized along side GPU ram to a higher extent (higher res textures). Basically that more ram was in use and the games had to “cross over” due to needing more memory.
Just ideas.
i know this vid is old but i appreciate your work. I have socket g34 and with numa disabled i'm seeing no change in latency or bandwidth via sisoft memory tests.
Love the thumbnail!
I still freaking love old style pcs with xeons. I still think about building up a nas with a used r7 1700 or a x5675
Another well done video.
For the CPU testing please crank up graphic settings except resolution and anti-aliasing. Load CPU and memory but GPU should be relaxed. Particularly if you want to detect some tiny differences between the CPU settings
I have dual x5647 in my Dell Workstation. When convert 4K video to 1080 in Handbrake, with CPU only, I get ~40% more FPS with NUMA enable. However if use Nvenc, NUMA lost about 15% fps. NUMA also has better memory bandwith in Aida64 tests.
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I love these dual CPU systems. They look badass, like something out of an alien ship. The problem is I can never justify a use-case for them compared to modern CPUs. Is there any practical workload where these dual systems outperform modern high core CPUs?
With Ryzen around, not really. I would like to try some x99 stuff, that would be really interesting, especially if you could get 16 cores / 32 threads for cheap.
No. A single CPU with the same amount of cores as a dual socket setup will always be faster. Dual/multi socket boards aren't about performance as much as density.
They sure look badass though, fully agree. :)
@@osgrov There may be tasks that could gain more from the increased memory bandwidth of a dual-socket board, but those are unlikely to be consumer grade tasks.
@@mapesdhs597 absolutely, there's plenty of server stuff that benefit from multiple sockets. For client use, though, a single CPU will always be better.
@@osgrov There can be a major cost benefit for those who want to experiment with productivity tasks, or solo pros (like Blender and video transcoding), but how long the crossover period lasts now with AMD advancing so quickly is anyone's guess. Atm a dual-S2011 with a couple of 2650 v2s and 64GB RAM costs diddly squat, but XEON v3/v4 availability is much lower and somehow I doubt DDR4 ECC will ever become quite so cheap. In the meantime, what will by then be old Ryzens may look a lot more sensible. I could be wrong though, with Enterprise buying a butt load of Intel server tech just to keep pace with performance degradation due to all the security mitigations, perhaps at some point when all that stuff gets sold off there will be another market flood of the relevant tech and the Chinese mbd makers can do the same thing again with dual-S2011-v3. If one isn't interested in budget friendly productivity tasks though then the utility is definitely less. Check my results, eg. the two XEON 2640s and 64GB RAM in the system at the top of the list cost less than 100 UKP combined:
www.sgidepot.co.uk/misc/tests-jj.txt
The tradeoff being single-threaded speed is much lower, but this is something which matters less and less these days, the system handled gaming much better than I had expected.
Prior to the recent windows changes NUMA gave higher average/peak fps but horrible stuttering on my TR system. Using software like Process Lasso to bind games to a single node was a required but a little awkward fix. Post update it works fine now
Definitely did not expect this result
Enjoyed the review, but why adding R at the end? xDDD it's Numa not NumaR I guess?
Disable HPET in Device manager and set SystemResponsiveness in the registry to 0, that will give extra fps.
damn that is a super badass lookin rig
Great vid like always!
How do u disable the spectre meltdown?
Numa numa yey, numa numa yey, numa numa numa yey. Yes, now this song is stuck in my head. 90's kids will understand.
8:27 its not just speeds sometimes cored didnt "survive" the process of lithography and are disabled via bios. Enabling them can cause blackscreens with anything more than windows
Back in the Phenom II unlocking days managed to unlock some, but some of the cores were faulty and had high latency issues.
"The Colonel is super important."
#KFC
What the cpu cooler man? Looks great
Ah, part 2. Fantastic.
If you wanna flash a 480 to a 580 check the gpu memory, higher binned cards will almost always have samsung...if you have samsung memory it will mostly likely handle it with no issues
Sorry but the first minute of this video is confusing. Please fix it. Numa do not make memory faster, the architecture of the system is fixed. 2 sockets, 2 cpus, some memory attached to one socket and some memory attached to the other socket. The two cpus can communicated to each other via a relative slow bus. It's normal that one cpu access to their local memory much faster than the memory attached to the other cpu. This is why this systems are called Non Uniform. IF you enable numa the OS and applications become aware of the architecture and the OS can schedule processes and allocate memory for that process on the same cpu. There are tens of possible optimizationz the OS and the applications can implement to make the system work better otherwise the worse that can happen is the OS schedule a process in one cpu and allocate memory on the other processor or even worse all the applications go in this configuration and slow down the entire system.
It's the true Xeon fan that gets the dual cpu board to attempt to beat a current 8 core 16 thread cpu with dual Xeons. Looks like in 1080p gaming it keeps pace really well.
I think it could be cool to test W7 (no updates) vs W10 differences with these old CPUs
I personally like the old xeon's i got 12c/24t that i use for video conversions.Personally the only thing intel did good last 20 years are releasing the 1st-4th gen cpu's and releasing the older X series cpu's.
I was wondering if running windows as a VM in Linux might actually increase performance In most programs just by handling all of the Numa stuff on its own, running windows like it's on a single processor.
Unfortunately it doesn't work that way. Windows still handles the scheduling for all processes within the VM. You would have to confine the VM to one processor, which would kind of defeat the purpose. Running your games on Wine in Linux would likely give you better FPS.
There is no way to disable NUMA. Motherboards vendor create this confusion constantly with poorly named options. A CPU will allways access it's local memory faster. Simple as that. The option should be called "Memory access Interleaving" (as some boards do) and it should almost allways be disabled. When you "disable" NUMA, what you actually do is interleave the memory addresses between each CPU and tell the OS that the system has unified memory access (which is false). This means that when one CPU access RAM it will use a page from each slice of RAM on each CPU. All local access will continue to be faster, but you are forcing the CPU to access remote memory half of the time. This isn't uniform, it's uniform enough (your average latency will be the average between local and remote access, for example 70,140,70,140,70,140ns and so on).
That's interesting, in testing a dual-S2011 board I found most games ran better with NUMA off, often not so much for avg fps but for improved Lows (though there was frequently a big difference between Win7 and Win10 in which was best). However, are we perhaps reading too much from what is essentially limited testing? By that I mean Bryan, you tested with two 4-core CPUs while I tested with two 6-core CPUs; for the games we tested (different titles), can we be sure the effects we saw weren't simply a difference in basic core availability? ie. going from 4 to 8 cores for many games is quite a leap and is more likely to be beneficial compared to going from 6 to 12 cores. In other words, you might find the differences of NUMA on vs. off could be quite different if you were instead testing with two 6-core CPUs since those games that are core count sensitive would already be less burdened.
However, I didn't test with the Spectre/Meltdown changes turned off (just checked, the mitigations were all active - fiddlesticks!) so I need to go back to the mbds in question and check for any relevant differences (were there any specific games you found that particularly gained from turning off the mitigations?). Either way, here's the data so far:
www.sgidepot.co.uk/sgi.html#PC
Also, did you have the memory mode set to Independent?
PS. Happy Australia Day dude!! 8)
You want NUMA enabled. Non-uniform memory access sounds like it would lead to lower performance, but it's the opposite because you want the data the core is using to be localized to the memory directly connected to that core. Turning NUMA off means the OS can't see the core and memory topology and it can potentially put an application executing on core 0 on the memory connected to core 1 or 2, etc, leading to extra latency for every memory access.
i just moved from a 1920x to 3960x
the 1920x had multiple numa nodes i had to configure my vm to use only cpu cores and memory dedicated to a specific numa node
otherwise games would stutter or just hang for a few seconds because of the latency
You shoul also test hyperthreading on vs off in this dual cpu system. My dual e5-2670 perform better with hyperthreading disabled, but these got more cpu cores maybe is an issue with games and too many cores. Curious to see if it changes anything in your system.
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Disabling those security mitigations even for a gamer is more serious than you think. There's been demonstrations of using just javascript to exploit some of the intel vulnerabilities. It is not only about VMs etc.
Yeah but if you have an adblocker and noscript installed on your browser (depending on what browser you are using) it should help protect against any iffy javascript.
@@Fender178 So make almost nothing work, instead of having them working slower. What a wonderful idea! ;)
@@skaltura I am just saying how you could protect against it that is all. It is up to you if you use it or not. I didn't say anything about making nothing work so don't put words in my mouth.
@@Fender178 noscript isn't exactly an solution if you want to use web services. I did not put words into your mouth, that was your suggested solution to it. There is no way around that You suggested to make almost all web services stop working at all.
@@skaltura You have to configure it. It's not that hard.
Numa Numa!
whats that case YES man? i want one!
why not use 3 channels . that board supports tri channel ram
Compare frametime, not fps. Frametime past 120Hz is so small that having a big jump between 140 and 170 is negligible compared to a 60-75 range
I am sorry but for me whenever i use a newer version of win 10 it fucks up my drivers and nothing runs stable i am happy with my 1806 build
Well sounds like numa is only enabled on multi cpu server boards? My latest x79 2011 board is a top end Asus but single cpu only and I have a 4960x in it which is a about the best consumer cpu it can take. Used to always play with all the tweaks but anymore I'm more interested in rock stability rather then a few more frames in games. I mostly do video editing and encoding these days and everything sleeps till needed.
Yes, NUMA is a feature only on multiple cpu boards that have part of the memory attached to one cpu or another. On that supermicro board, each cpu has a direct connection to the 3 dimm slots next to it, and a longer hop (slower access) over the the 3 dimms attached to the other cpu. NUMA keeps program threads running on a particular cpu and allocates memory for those threads from the dimm slots directly attached to that cpu, for fastest memory access by that cpu. On single cpu systems, all ram is associated with the single cpu, so no fancy jedi memory tricks are needed to optimize memory access.
Thanks, figured that had to be the case considering the board he was dealing with. I've never had a multi cpu board before but you never know considering my buddy builds networks and pc's for a living. I always end up helping him out with recycling stuff and occasionally helping with big builds so I end up with trade ins and cool older builds he gets to trade for the help. These upper end business level and high end consumer stuff are still very fast, and usually dirt cheap.
Darth JarJar have numa?
The feature that increases FPS the most isn't called "NUMA"... it's called "RGB"
Yo bro hows the condition in Australia ,,, any relief I am from India I was very worried about. The situation there 😨😨😨😨😨
Woow great contect!!!
numa guy intensifies
Those xeons are very powerful.
How about trying to max performance this recent build? Triple channel mem and a better GPU
Bro I have the same board and can't get my GPU to display.
Have 750w corsair psu is hooked up and won't go
Doesn't it partly depend on how much RAM the application need? So if you have enough per CPU for the programme you're running; leave Numa on, if not, turn it off?
Someone who opened this searching Dragostea din tei (Numa numa)?
Looks like you want to have numer enabled
Can u do amd fx 8350 vs x5650
noma brain power
The Only Person Using RX 5500 XT
Now that's a free performance
Does hp z600 has numa option?
Video games be like : 2cpus - weird flex, but okay. 2 or more gpus - WHAT THE F*CK ARE YOU DOING??!?!???!?!?!
Hi Brian! Does this board support triple channel memory? Can you max it and pair the board with a 5600 xt?
Can anyone suggest me budget gaming PC either ryzen 1500x or e5 1650. I want to buy motherboard on AliExpress but not sure which one good.cause there seem to a bad motherboard as well .
where is the game play ?
Do you sell any computers on gumtree?
Where did you find that pc case? Would like to get one
NZXT Phantom Gaming (Asrock) case .
Abhishek Roy thanks
Nice Kentucky fried reference. 👍🤣
TECH YES CITY Brother I need your help bad Bro...Can these Acer Predator parts be possibly swapped around ??? Can you lets say use the screen from a Acer Predator XB271H abmiprz 27" IPS Widescreen Gaming Monitor 1ms 144hz Full HD and put it into a Acer Predator XB272 bmiprz 27" Full HD NVIDIA G-SYNC TN Monitor would it work? OR could the power board be used in either one? Reason I ask this is I have a Acer Predator XB271H Abmiprz 27" IPS Widescreen Gaming Monitor 1ms 144hz Full HD that has gone white screen not even a year old and I got for free a working Acer Predator XB272 bmiprz 27" Full HD NVIDIA G-SYNC TN Monitor with a cracked screen so was wondering if parts could be swapped in any way. like say the white screen is caused by a bad power board I could use the other monitors power board to fix the white screen one or use the one with the white screen to replace the broken screen one stuff like that. Anyone got any ideas about this? Sure would help me out a lot don't want to mess around till I know if it will work swapping parts to make 1 good 1:)
When I boot up games on my pc with in 15 minutes it would freeze how could I fix this the cheapest way possible
no, somebody have to come and assess you PC first to quote you a price. You bargain your price there/then, not before.
Disable hibernation + disable & delete page file + clean & re-apply thermal paste . If your C drive is mechanical HDD then run a good defrag using piriform defraggler . Move all personal files (movies , songs , dox) from your C drive to someplace else . Empty desktop completely . Disable all ALL startup items except security apps . That should be enough , I hope :)
Also "install iobit driver booster free" & update all drivers & game components . Very important !
Just take it to a pc shop if everything else that people have suggested doesn't work out for you :).Even if it does end up costing a bit of money to fix it it will be better in the long term for you instead of you being stressed out over it like I was when I built a new ryzen system and had issues with my new 3700x that ended up getting replaced but not before I spend hundreds on it trying to figure out what the problem was first lol...Some times it's just easier to get the pc shop to look at stuff instead of stressing out and spending money on unneeded things like I did because I was impatient haha.
@ Wyatt . The PC in question here is an Optiplex with Intel chip & not some half-baked AMD chip :)) Do please get used to it -- Ryzen chips (also AMD graphics) shall always give problems to newbies . Been into PC building for 20 years now , i.e , I know what AMD is at the end of the day :)) LOL
Can you give me the name of the fans rgb? And can I sync them with msi mystic?
Notification squad wya
I really want to build an x58 system even if there is no overclocking but I'm so confused like
If I go ryzen I feel like I have to go all new Cs you know of the upgrade path but if I do that when 4th gen motherboards and ryzen comes well I won't have that upgrade path
But if I go fully used I save Alot of money but the problem might be that since I'm in India I might get hosed and might have to pay for customs
And even if I get the stuff I'm scared if they might work or not and that they might not support newer games
Or I could go for Chinese ram an asrock a320 and a ryzen 3 but then I feel like it might be better to just get all new parts
And I'm scared to get an rx 470 since I'll have a cpu without a igpu I'm afraid I might not be able to flash back the bios but if I go with a gtx 960 it would be weaker and a little more expensive on Aliexpress
I hope it made sense
My X58 Dell hates RX cards. It works fine with HD series, and GTX series, but it locks up with RX series. I've tried it with a RX550 and a RX570. They both work fine in the Ryzen 7 2700x and the i5 2500, and the i7 2600.
@@TheLionAndTheLamb777 does the aliexpress rx 470 or 570 work atleast as a display port so that you can use it to flash back the original vbios
guys pls answer i have dell 3060 mt with i5 8gen. is it ok to put 1650super even if the psu is 260w 80%bronse,. thanks
You should be fine with a 1650S
if you are discouraging first timers on GPU bios flashing.. when is a good time to do that?
they wont get experience if they don't do it in the first place, right?
more question about flashing RX 480 to RX 580.. isn't 480 only got 1x6pin while 580 got 1x8pin?
The 8pin vs 6pin shouldn't matter, the extra 2 pins on an 8pin are an extra sense and ground pin, theoretically both should be able to carry about the same power.
I would recommending just flashing your card to the same bios first, to get familiar with it, or flashing a car that doesn't install properly after the drivers install. Once you are familiar with how it works then flashing an rx 580 bios to a 480 is possible, but carries no guarantees.
@@Kraiord_ i see.. thnx for the info..
@@techyescity thnx fam..
i was actually wanted to try bios modification..
i have had lots of fun blind flashing 9800gt nvidias
rise of dunicron
Who the hell down votes stuff like this?
Motherboard/cpu manufacturers.
How about you try the same with spectre patches on ? Compare it to ryzen 5 1600 while you are at it as well ... Thats would show you how old these parts have become 😂
too bad for the dual channel, i feel your crippling the memory performance of this system not running tripple channel. Like, i used to have this chinese x79 + xeon system with quad channel for a while, it memory bandwidth was very close to Ryzen system running 3200-3433mhz ddr4, with 1866mhz ddr3, which i feel is quite good and beneficial for CERTAIN games, i mean some games gain BIG TIME on bandwidth, especially if you have sufficiently powerful GPU while other just dont give a flying f*.
thiscouldntblowmore also depends how good your GPU is and what resolution you’re playing at, eg 2080ti at 1080p would see big gains from high memory bandwidth. Some games also love ram bandwidth one I can think of is GTA v
You are better off with Intel Xeon E5-2678V3 12C/24T with X99-TF motherboard.
Well yeah, but that costs US$250, while the dual X58 + cpus was free.
soupwizard so everyone has access to free? X99-TF motherboard $100. Intel Xeon e5-2678V3 $100.