He was a master. Future generations will recognize him as a genius of this era one of the brightest minds I had the chance to meet...if survives this sixth mass Extinction+ fascism rise ...
He was a master. Future generations will recognize him as a genius of this era one of the brightest minds I had the chance to meet...if survives this sixth mass Extinction+ fascism rise ...
He was also an antisemite. I heard him say on one clip that the Jews should never be forgiven for rejecting two other faiths. That makes him an antisemite.
Chris Hitchens was too brilliant for most people to understand. Well ahead of understanding gas lighting, globalism and their intelligence and media agencies.
The genius of this man was almost supernatural. It shouldn't be possible for a human being to be this intelligent and adapt at socio political argument.
Thank you for bringing this up. It seems there will always be spectators who wish to be entertained, rather than thinkers who wish to change the future of our children... and childrens children. Flippant comments made to strike at Hitchens never last more than a few seconds.
This is the thing I respect about Hitchens. He may have moved to the right on some things but he cleaved to the truth on this one, the theft of Palestinian land by Israel.
Mr Hitchens was a Social Democrat until the end. What was impressive about him was his critical thinking skills. He did not play party politics. And, in my view, the other thing I loved was that he was a self-proclaimed and vociferous atheist, which goes to prove that religion is NOT necessary to have the utmost integrity and to advocate for social justice. He was a formidable man, though at times a bit terse.
He did not move to the right, the left moved to the right. People like you can't tell because clear understanding of Iraq is uncommon to say the least.
EpicMRPancake I think it’s a bit more complicated than probably you or I said on here. Hitchens used to call himself a socialist and then over some time ditched it. He didn’t really talk about economic inequality or the structure of the capitalist system. It ended up that we were sent to war on Iraq on manipulated intelligence by the US and UK. The regimes in power there are the time of Iraq the ‘old’ Hitchens would have balked at. So yes he did move to the right quite clearly but that did not mean he was right wing. Yes the left have moved right too.
From the 1948 Arab-Israeli War until the early 1970s, 800,000-1,000,000 Jews left, fled, or were expelled from their homes in Arab countries; 260,000 of them reached Israel between 1948 and 1951; and 600,000 by 1972. Lebanon was the only Arab country to see an increase in its Jewish population after 1948, which was due to an influx of refugees from other Arab countries. However, by the 1970s the Jewish community of Lebanon too dwindled due to hostilities of the Lebanese Civil War.
Ashkenazi Jews have a mutation in Achromosome 3 that changes protocadherin , a protein that influences brain processes. The mutation may cause a number of mental problems, including epilepsy, but, most inportantly, it causes religious fantasies and psychopatic trends, such as we see in Zionism, that believes that God has given Jews the dominion on the earth, and that they may dispose of thousands of slaves and kill all other humans. That would explain the present madness of Netanyahu. The disease is fully described in PubMed!
@lauraleesmithagain He's saying that there are arabs all over Israel and Palesitne who hold deeds to homes and land. They were evicted and kicked out by Jewish settlers.
@DoctorFJK Look at it this way, My native country is Burma(Myanmar). Now if you are up to date with current events you'll know that the dictatorship once and probably still wanted the entire Buddhist majority country to fall under state Buddhism. You see what happens with ANY ideology or religion has millions of followers? Trouble starts, people start contradicting their TEACHINGS by murdering, discriminating, not living like a Buddhist, etc. It's all about social expansion. It ruins.
"It was the Jews who accepted the UN partition plan while Arabs were the ones who waged war rather than accept it" True, but...did you stop to consider if it was a fair partition? From my understanding it was far over-reaching, with the by far smaller population getting the larger portion of land. Of course it was rejected...
the partition took into account jewish land ownership and Palestinian land ownership. When you discount the barren desert in the south, must of the liveable arable land went to the Palestinians.
We have a problem in the U.S. and that is that any criticism of Israeli policy is immediately labeled as anti-semitic. The Israeli government is a problem, not Jewish people, per se. I have Jewish friends that agree and who do not support Netanyahu. Money in politics is never good but it's so pervasive in the U.S., it won't likely change any time soon.
That is NOT Norman Finkelstein, it's Geoffrey Garrett. They give full details on the linked page. Although in that video, with the blurriness and distance, he does look a little bit like Norman; that would have been a fascinating video Norman and Hitchens side by side.
I am not questioning the existence of the modern state of Israel, as defined post-1948...even if I disagree on how these events came about with the violent expulsion of the previous centuries inhabitants... But to justify the ever-increasing encroachment on the Golan Heights,Gaza, West Bank and Jerusalem, what to speak of the gross attacks on Lebanon over the years,is utterly pitiful. I do not defend Hamas, Hezbollah, et al, but that there are those who defend Israel is sickening...
Hitch is awesome. He doesn't have a party, that is how everyone should think about things. Not be a democrat or republican, but an individual who can THINK!
I love it when intelligent people say things that go against mainstream liberalism, especially when they themselves are either liberal or a leftist. Just laying down the facts with no bias filter. As a democrat, i have no problem in saying that generally speaking, Bush Sr was not a bad president at all
1- Al-Qaeda is a loosely affiliated collection of Islamic extremists. It is not a conventional army. It's scope has been greatly exaggerated. 2- Yes, I am saying the USA should not have invaded Afghanistan. Black ops and intelligence are the only way to fight terrorists. Conventional warfare does not work and has crippled America's economy. 3- Women's rights was not a factor in invading Afghanistan in the slightest. That is my point. 4- Stop regurgitating propaganda verbatim.
AND I QUOTE: - there was "no threat of destruction" but that the attack on Egypt, Jordan and Syria was nevertheless justified so that Israel could "exist according the scale, spirit, and quality she now embodies." "There was never a danger of extermination. This hypothesis had never been considered in any serious meeting." -General Ezer Weizman, Chief of Operations, Israeli Defence Forces, General Staff:
@DoctorFJK Over 20 million people in Russia. Upwards of 100 million in China. Atheism was a primary tenet of the communistic regimes responsible for all these deaths.
Hitchens' point about Bush snr is irrelevant because the settlements continued after he made that statement and nothing of the sort was done. Again Hitchens makes the mistake of admiring words of a govt instead of looking at their actions.
They were not illegal immigrants at all! What made the Arabs the gatekeepers? Since England won the war was it not entitled to decide, or allow the League of Nations to decide, on whether part of it could be earmarked for Jews? And if Arabs & Turks did not want more Jews there why did they sell them so much land and so many homes? Plus Jews brought many advantages to all inhabitants of Palestine.
@drbayoms Well, I kind of agree with you on Obama asking the Israeli government tougher questions than those posed by his predecessors, but I feel there is an increasing disparity between his campaign rhetoric and his actions with regard to the Palestinian state. No, I'm not especially surprised since most presidents have to break at least some of their campaign promises, but I am a little disappointed.
as you can see by recent events, Al-Qaeda is not just one man, but a network, that was supported and trained by the Taliban, and others. Are you saying that the US should not have invaded Afghanistan after 911 after the refusal of the Taliban to hand over Al-Qaeda leaders and dismantle camps? Do you think we should go to war for women's rights?
@haroos If that's the case, if criticism of Israel is automatically anti-semitism, then it should be said anti-semitism is a humane and good thing. The world needs more of it. The notion that the existence of other crimes means Israel's crimes should go uncondemned is absurd. BTW, how many other countries control the lands of another people, but refuse to give them the recognition of citizenship? Actually Israel is quite unique in their violations of moral decency and international law.
What about the daily attacks/killings of the Palestinians, driving them out of their homes, stealing their lands, the destruction of their olive groves, etc, that's not an act of ant-Semitism? Or is it the fact that Israelis see them as non-persons, sub-human, inferior souls or not having any souls? "The Soul of a Jew is superior to that of a non-Jew. The view expressed in the above heading - as uncomfortable and emotionally charged as it may be in the minds of some - was undoubtedly, as we shall show, the prominent position maintained by authorities of Jewish thought throughout the ages, and continues to be so even today. While Jewish mysticism is the source and primary expositor of this theory, it has achieved a ubiquitous presence not only in the writings of Kabbalists but also in the works of thinkers found in the libraries of most observant Jews" Hanan Balk.
@DoctorFJK Okay, listen, when I talk about religous basics, I'm NOT referring to current events or the status of the people within that particular religion. I'm talking only about the religion itself, what it TEACHES, and how it relates to their texts. I cannot say whether or not Judaism is a "hate filled" religion. Hate like discrimination? hate racism? There is nothing to admit if you are baseless.
@amibidhrohi2006 the site doesn't open. i'll adress your other points : as a guy who is living in israel, i can tell you that before 1993, the palestinians may not have had their own country, but a palestinian from ramalla could go to the sea in tel aviv without being stopped at all, and no one would ask questions. after the oslo accords they got shanked. why ? because the hamas used terror, and the fatah encouraged it. a game of chicken and egg can be played here.
@secretsantaone your right totally unfair, the fact that Jerusalem has been destroyed twice, besieged 23 times, attacked 52 times, and captured and recaptured 44 times is also unfair. reasons why jews used to live and now do live in jerusalem. Only nation who have been exiled and from their land and return. fact it happened 2000 years later dispersed throughout the word and survived is incredible. the story of the jewish people is one like no other. Love the Jews
@DoctorFJK Which of the ten commandments do you have a problem with? 1. Worship God only. 2. No idols. 3. Don't use the LORD's name in vain. 4. Remember the Sabbath. 5. Honor your parents. 6. Don't commit murder. 7. Don't commit adultery. 8. Don't steal. 9. Don't bear false witness against your neighbor. 10. Don't covet your neighbor's stuff. Yeah, these really sound like some terrible guidelines to go by.
The people of Egypt, Tunisia,Morocco,Bahrain,Yemen,Saudi Arabia,Algeria, and countless other Arab peoples are WELL AWARE that their dictatorial regimes are backed and propped up by U.S money... AND U EXPECT NO BLOWBACK? So only Israel and the U.S have right to self-defense,huh? Spain, Uk, 9/11 are not self- defense and protests of the wars, huh? YOU ARE COMPLETELY INCONSISTENT WITH YOUR STANDARDS IN JUDGEMENT! 9/11 was not the start of anything...it was Arab protest for U.S involvement in ME.
But the U.S. is better of by raising the production of oil 5 fold and taking it all back to the states. Iraq should be dry of oil within 20 years and then Iraq can do whatever they want. If they like cleansing minorities, its up to them, they are democratically elected. The will of the people.
@BAULJATOR You're right... because Israel is the pinnacle of womens' rights, childrens' rights, and human rights. I can't speak for all of Europe, but being leftist in Spain became popular not after the rise of popularity in the Keffiyeh, but during the dictatorship of Franco, during which the far right destroyed human rights and made life for the worker a living hell, accentuating the already apparent struggle of the workers.
Yes, I would have left the Baathist party and Saddam Hussein in power. What the West did in unleashing sectarian forces in Iraq that Hussein kept from expolding is worse, especially for Christians in Iraq and also the Sunni minority, of which Hussein was also a member. Christians in Iraq are shrinking, the have emigrated by the hundreds of thousands and are often stopped on the street and are even shot on the spot. Read "Christianity in Iraq" on wikipedia.
@OneEyedJack1970 Because the US has given them BILLIONS of dollars. Every year its around 3 to 8 billion dollars, they now have arguably the best army in the world. There enemies consist of rock throwing Palestinians, tiny Lebanon who have paper rockets and Syria who don't try anything as a favor/ fear of the US. Jordan and Israel have no problems and there relationship with Egypt has improved. It's all very simple, there's nothing too complicated about it.
Wrong again There are 3-4million Jews today descendants of MENA countries. Not Just Morocco. Tunis, Libya, Egypt, Lebanon, Syria, Yemen, Iraq and Iran. Before the Farhud(Pogroms against Jews Baghdad 1941) in Iraq there were 150,000 Jews. After these pogroms about 110,000 Jews left mostly for Israel.
AND I QUOTE: “ In June 1967 we had a choice…Egyptian army concentrations in the Sinai approaches did not prove that Nasser was really about to attack us. We must be honest with ourselves. We decided to attack him.” -MENACHEM BEGIN, Israeli PM AND I QUOTE: "I do not believe that Nasser wanted war. The two divisions which he sent into Sinai on May 14 would not have been enough to unleash an offensive against Israel. He knew it and we knew it." -Yitzhak Rabin, Israeli Defence Forces and PM
@DoctorFJK I was raised a Baptist. In any case, Jesus said the two greatest commandments are to love God with everything you have, and to love your neighbor as yourself. This sort of attitude doesn't exactly lend itself to wanton destruction and slaying.
Then also during Bush senior, Iraq was told that when it comes to Kuwait USA would not interfere in their affairs. ___ Later the transcript has Glaspie saying: "We have no opinion on your Arab-Arab conflicts, such as your dispute with Kuwait. Secretary Baker has directed me to emphasize the instruction, first given to Iraq in the 1960s, that the Kuwait issue is not associated with America." en.wikipedia.org/wiki/April_Glaspie
@DoctorFJK No if the religion doesn't preach it, you blame human nature. I don't care how many people die under one ideology ie. socialism or revolution.........if part of that ideology is not murdering, then it doesn't make it logical to place the blame on that ideology as "hateful" or "violent", especially if it's OPPOSED to killing or murdering. If an atheist state started commiting widespread acts of violence, are you willing to blame the state ideology instead of the state? HELL NO
This is where I disagree with Hitchens; Israel should build on The West Bank; Israel won this land pushing back an attacking Jordan; nations that fight and win defensive wars get to dictate the peace. I also disagree with Hitchens on the Iraq war; we had no business going there at all.
Remove the Jewish influence and I would be harping about the next scandal within the U.S ... I grant you this... The worlds never gonna be ideal, but I and many others get a real sick feeling when we are embroiling ourselves in wars on behalf of our Jewish "friends", or picking obvious sides in a conflict and adopting Israels enemies as our own. I would sooner be friends and business partners with all the Arab states, than be their enemy for just little ol' Israel, who fits into Florida 8 times!
By my logic if Iraq chooses to follow its current path, than they will suffer the same fate as the Hutus, Serbs( I don't agree what has been done to the serbs, nor was there an Albanian massacre) and Germany. You can only be told how to behave 577 times on 578th .......
"Israel/Palestine" is somewhat of a study. I am not in agreement with Hitchens, as the problem isn't so much "what can America do" but why European countries have not invaded "Israel/Palestine". I don't understand why such an easy problem is not resolved instantly with warfare. There is no particular debate here, hundred of thousands of people have had their land hijacked by a group of religious fundamentalists, and the secular world must react. Ah, I forgot, the west made this for a reason.
@DoctorFJK How do they stay a nation? In case you haven't noticed, they're completely surrounded by enemies who have tried time and again (and failed each time) to destroy them. Are the Jews just the ultimate badasses or what?
As for your question of "why are you and everyone else so concerned with Palestinians"... Maybe it has something to do with our unwavering political, moral and financial support of Israel ( to a tune of tens of BILLIONS over the years). Maybe because Bin Laden himself, in a taped interview released in Nov. 2004 blamed the 9'11 attack on America's military and financial support for Israel's actions against the Palestinian peoples. Israels problems should not be ours, END OF STORY! ITS OUR MONEY
@DoctorFJK I'm not denying that a lot of bigotry comes from religious PEOPLE, but religion is just one factor, many people are too stuck up to listen to what their religion preaches or what they set their mind to and instead go about what they feel--anger, frustration, REVENGE, etc etc etc... Gays get discriminated in the U.S. a lot. Yeah..................I know. Not just for their "strange" behaviour but by trying to justify it with faith, when it comes to the more extreme people.
Interesting. "Behave or we revoke loan gurantees" worked? Thats positive news. Its also sad news that the inner workings of the problems were that trite, considering how many have died for it. Note also that USA made the threat to ONE side.
1- so what? They need to be killed or stopped, as did the Taliban who were training and supporting them.They declared war on the US, killing 2500 people. 2-you exaggerate the abilities of "black ops and intelligence". The Taliban government needed to be brought down.Sending a few drones is not going to do that. 3- no it wasn't, although it didn't hurt public support for the war---did it. 4-these are my own thoughts.
As for "thou shalt not kill" -- it's better rendered as "thou shalt not commit murder." This, of course, applies to everybody, and permits no exclusions based on religious preferences or anything else.
@AceofDlamonds No one ever got hurt. Only when they reached a land where they had different beliefs would they wipe them out. The Protestants fought the catholics vigourasly in the UK, so when they found new land, they wanted no opposition to there religion.
I see our U.S politicians insisting every day on tv, print and radio that America's interests lay with the practical and material factors and considerations,yet when it comes to Israel I see absolute ideological notions taking precedent. How does it benefit Americans to be enemies with Iran rather than mutual business partners? Iran would LOVE to do business with us... This is but one of a million examples. It does not make sense, except that our country has been hijacked, and I see the signs.
First, which Grand Mufti are you talking about? Second, if we are talking about post-ottoman Mufti this position was appointed by the british mandate, so no wonder he did not speak ill of the mandate. Third, the UN plan was vague, rushed and lacking any concerne for the Arab interests. And by the way, Israel did not adhere to it either.
I never heard Hitchens say anything like that. He considers Zionism a bad idea, but he said that many states were founded on bad ideas, it's not a reason to throw people out. That already means that he does not support PLO fractions which try to reclaim Palestine. But he has spoken out on Israel driving palestinian civilians out of their homes in recent years. And it doesn't seem like that many people criticize Israel or do something about it. Certainly not the biggest superpower in the world.
@HardforJesus humanist movements is an extremely broad phrase. You could argue that the protestant reformation was a humanist movement. Various humanist movements are grounded on very different understandings of reality though. There is no verse in the bible that condemns intercourse with children, but to conclude that this entails that Christianity is not opposed to it is perhaps misguided logic. Faith in the gospels does provide the foundation for judeo-christian philosophy.
By the way there are many successful Jews of Morrocon descent living in Israel: Shlomo Ben-Ami - member of Labor party Amir Peretz - former Union leader, Minister of defense during Lebenon War 2006 David Levy - former member of Likkud Meir Sheetrit - Member of Centrists party Kadima , Formerly of Likkud, Shiri Maimon - Pop star Reuven Abergel - founder of Israeli Black Panthers Shlomo Amar - Sephardi Chief Rabbi of Israel Aryeh Deri - Former Shas leader
That is incorrect, I would call it a lie, but it is only a lie if you know the truth, which I have no way of knowing. But I can enlight you about the facts and hope you renew your research. The Nakba was seen as necessary, because no matter how you would slice up the region to make for an arab state and jewish one, the arabs would be in a majority. Therefor, the jews saw as their only option to displace the arabs, Nakba, to prevent any arab majority.
@DoctorFJK "Wiping out an an entire group of people isn't overusing authority?" This is God we're talking about. Not some human agency. "If someone was robbing a bank and holding hostages, and the policeman in charge just blew up the whole bank, is that not overusing authority?" I'm afraid it would be more than just that. "Anyway, I must go for now because I'm exhausted, I'll answer the rest tomorrow. " Take a break, and think about some of the things that've been said.
@haroos and leaders should be making a bigger effort to solve the problem, to stop hamas blowing things up, and also to stop Israel building on Palestinian land. But leaders are hesitant because it's an ugly problem when fused with religion of which there are two sides. Not acting means the neighboring countries get mad at you and offending Israel can label you as an anti-semite which is ridiculous just because you are against a countries policies or methods doesn't mean you hate them.
@DoctorFJK doctor you are missing the point!! Chrsitianity means NEW COVENANT with God. Basically we are not required to tithe, any of the old "instrusive" laws of the Iron-Age Jews, and are actually told to NOT murder or retaliate against an offender. I have told you the main reason behind much of ethnic and widespread violence but u ignore it: It doesn't matter your religion or creed, if your human interest exceeds that, you can spread bigotry any way. Look at Stalin. Look at Burmese.
@DoctorFJK Exactly. That verse, which I was pretty certain you'd quote, is referring to the days of the Jews.They are not OPEN ENDED orders to kill other tribes. In addition to that, there is no NEED to take any land for the Jews, let alone the Christians. Xtianity is not a religion of conquest. There were conquistadors that spread their violence to the Americas, yes, sometimes in the name of religion, yes. Nowhere does Jesus advocate such violence: "turn the other cheek", "do onto others"?
I'm an Israeli, i'm from the atheist left. I also know you MrJapaneseboy from other videos' comments section and I like the way you are battling cyber-Jihadists and terror-supporters :)
@DoctorFJK Have you asked your professor about context, yet? When you get around to it, why don't you run some of those quotes by him, and see what he says.
Hitch knew more about Israeli politics and reality than 99% of my fellow Israelis...
Isralites?
@@TheGodlessGuitarist Vastly different things
He was a master. Future generations will recognize him as a genius of this era one of the brightest minds I had the chance to meet...if survives this sixth mass Extinction+ fascism rise ...
He was a master. Future generations will recognize him as a genius of this era one of the brightest minds I had the chance to meet...if survives this sixth mass Extinction+ fascism rise ...
He was also an antisemite. I heard him say on one clip that the Jews should never be forgiven for rejecting two other faiths. That makes him an antisemite.
Never make a flippant comment at Hitchens and expect to survive it
He will love it 🤣✊
Hitchens himself is pretty impressive with fact recollection
2024 just learning about these hot takes from Hitchens🔥🗣️
Go watch all his other stuff. He possesses a great mind and masterful debating skills. Learned so much from him
I'm just coming back to him after hearing all the people spouting bullshit about presente day conflicts.
Chris Hitchens was too brilliant for most people to understand. Well ahead of understanding gas lighting, globalism and their intelligence and media agencies.
true
Hitchens was himself a globalist
The genius of this man was almost supernatural. It shouldn't be possible for a human being to be this intelligent and adapt at socio political argument.
Props to Hitchens for standing up for Palestina ! Because Obama doesn't DARE to.
That last sentence of his was pure gold.
Here in 2023, learning more about the Israeli/Palestinian conflict
Me too....hitchens was a good look up
We had Hitchens at the right place, and at the right time.
Hitch. What would he say now? So missed.
Hitchens is needed back on Earth and NOW!!!!
0:29 Amazing, the Hitch completely owns the idiots followed with the few laughing who understand what he just said and how right he was.
Thank you for bringing this up. It seems there will always be spectators who wish to be entertained, rather than thinkers who wish to change the future of our children... and childrens children. Flippant comments made to strike at Hitchens never last more than a few seconds.
This is the thing I respect about Hitchens. He may have moved to the right on some things but he cleaved to the truth on this one, the theft of Palestinian land by Israel.
There wasn't and there will never be a Palestin!! Get over it!! It's ISRAEL and it belongs to us THE JEWISH PEOPLE!!!!
Mr Hitchens was a Social Democrat until the end. What was impressive about him was his critical thinking skills. He did not play party politics. And, in my view, the other thing I loved was that he was a self-proclaimed and vociferous atheist, which goes to prove that religion is NOT necessary to have the utmost integrity and to advocate for social justice. He was a formidable man, though at times a bit terse.
@@סיוןיונה-ת2ו ow there was, there certainly was
He did not move to the right, the left moved to the right. People like you can't tell because clear understanding of Iraq is uncommon to say the least.
EpicMRPancake I think it’s a bit more complicated than probably you or I said on here. Hitchens used to call himself a socialist and then over some time ditched it. He didn’t really talk about economic inequality or the structure of the capitalist system. It ended up that we were sent to war on Iraq on manipulated intelligence by the US and UK. The regimes in power there are the time of Iraq the ‘old’ Hitchens would have balked at. So yes he did move to the right quite clearly but that did not mean he was right wing. Yes the left have moved right too.
From the 1948 Arab-Israeli War until the early 1970s, 800,000-1,000,000 Jews left, fled, or were expelled from their homes in Arab countries; 260,000 of them reached Israel between 1948 and 1951; and 600,000 by 1972. Lebanon was the only Arab country to see an increase in its Jewish population after 1948, which was due to an influx of refugees from other Arab countries. However, by the 1970s the Jewish community of Lebanon too dwindled due to hostilities of the Lebanese Civil War.
Ashkenazi Jews have a mutation in
Achromosome 3 that changes protocadherin , a protein that influences brain processes. The mutation may cause a number of mental problems, including epilepsy, but, most inportantly, it causes religious fantasies and psychopatic trends, such as we see in Zionism, that believes that God has given Jews the dominion on the earth, and that they may dispose of thousands of slaves and kill all other humans. That would explain the present madness of Netanyahu. The disease is fully described in PubMed!
I'm an Israeli & I agree 110% !!
@lauraleesmithagain He's saying that there are arabs all over Israel and Palesitne who hold deeds to homes and land.
They were evicted and kicked out by Jewish settlers.
@DoctorFJK
Look at it this way, My native country is Burma(Myanmar). Now if you are up to date with current events you'll know that the dictatorship once and probably still wanted the entire Buddhist majority country to fall under state Buddhism. You see what happens with ANY ideology or religion has millions of followers? Trouble starts, people start contradicting their TEACHINGS by murdering, discriminating, not living like a Buddhist, etc. It's all about social expansion. It ruins.
BRILLIANT BRILLIANT Man....sorely missed.......
"It was the Jews who accepted the UN partition plan while Arabs were the ones who waged war rather than accept it"
True, but...did you stop to consider if it was a fair partition? From my understanding it was far over-reaching, with the by far smaller population getting the larger portion of land. Of course it was rejected...
The Jewish part would have been a lot smaller, their population equaled that of the Muslim population
the partition took into account jewish land ownership and Palestinian land ownership. When you discount the barren desert in the south, must of the liveable arable land went to the Palestinians.
The relevance of his comment now is more than ever.
Farewell, Hitch. We'll miss you and your sheer brilliance.
I don’t always agree with Hitchens but he’s 100% right on this one
We don't care if you don't always agree. It doesn't add insight to this clip and frankly you flatter yourself.
@@howdydo5760Why does he have more likes than you then?
We have a problem in the U.S. and that is that any criticism of Israeli policy is immediately labeled as anti-semitic. The Israeli government is a problem, not Jewish people, per se. I have Jewish friends that agree and who do not support Netanyahu. Money in politics is never good but it's so pervasive in the U.S., it won't likely change any time soon.
That is NOT Norman Finkelstein, it's Geoffrey Garrett. They give full details on the linked page.
Although in that video, with the blurriness and distance, he does look a little bit like Norman; that would have been a fascinating video Norman and Hitchens side by side.
I am not questioning the existence of the modern state of Israel, as defined post-1948...even if I disagree on how these events came about with the violent expulsion of the previous centuries inhabitants...
But to justify the ever-increasing encroachment on the Golan Heights,Gaza, West Bank and Jerusalem, what to speak of the gross attacks on Lebanon over the years,is utterly pitiful.
I do not defend Hamas, Hezbollah, et al, but that there are those who defend Israel is sickening...
Hitch is awesome. He doesn't have a party, that is how everyone should think about things. Not be a democrat or republican, but an individual who can THINK!
I love it when intelligent people say things that go against mainstream liberalism, especially when they themselves are either liberal or a leftist. Just laying down the facts with no bias filter. As a democrat, i have no problem in saying that generally speaking, Bush Sr was not a bad president at all
He was a war criminal 🤡
What do you think about jr?
@@kaybash9015 war criminal, mass murderer. The usual
Extremely on point, even now (2024).
1- Al-Qaeda is a loosely affiliated collection of Islamic extremists. It is not a conventional army. It's scope has been greatly exaggerated.
2- Yes, I am saying the USA should not have invaded Afghanistan. Black ops and intelligence are the only way to fight terrorists. Conventional warfare does not work and has crippled America's economy.
3- Women's rights was not a factor in invading Afghanistan in the slightest. That is my point.
4- Stop regurgitating propaganda verbatim.
damn is there any recording for Hitchens view on Israel ?
Here it is, buddy
This might apply even more today for Biden's approach toward Israel & Palestine.
AND I QUOTE:
- there was "no threat of destruction" but that the attack on Egypt, Jordan and Syria was nevertheless justified so that Israel could "exist according the scale, spirit, and quality she now embodies." "There was never a danger of extermination. This hypothesis had never been considered in any serious meeting."
-General Ezer Weizman, Chief of Operations, Israeli Defence Forces, General Staff:
@DoctorFJK Over 20 million people in Russia. Upwards of 100 million in China. Atheism was a primary tenet of the communistic regimes responsible for all these deaths.
Biting sarcasm in every line
Hitchens' point about Bush snr is irrelevant because the settlements continued after he made that statement and nothing of the sort was done. Again Hitchens makes the mistake of admiring words of a govt instead of looking at their actions.
Yes, and some criticism also came from Bush junior and Obama. But not much was done, if anything.
Exactly. Talk is cheap. All bark and no bite.
well, a policy can be impressive while it not being activated
They were not illegal immigrants at all! What made the Arabs the gatekeepers? Since England won the war was it not entitled to decide, or allow the League of Nations to decide, on whether part of it could be earmarked for Jews? And if Arabs & Turks did not want more Jews there why did they sell them so much land and so many homes? Plus Jews brought many advantages to all inhabitants of Palestine.
@IBeatUpThugs So that gives them the right to evict Palestinians who had nothing to do with it?
Two wrongs don't make a right.
@drbayoms Well, I kind of agree with you on Obama asking the Israeli government tougher questions than those posed by his predecessors, but I feel there is an increasing disparity between his campaign rhetoric and his actions with regard to the Palestinian state. No, I'm not especially surprised since most presidents have to break at least some of their campaign promises, but I am a little disappointed.
I do not pretend to be a specialist on the Palestine-Israel conflict, but I don't see how your view is contradictory to what Hitchens said.
as you can see by recent events, Al-Qaeda is not just one man, but a network, that was supported and trained by the Taliban, and others. Are you saying that the US should not have invaded Afghanistan after 911 after the refusal of the Taliban to hand over Al-Qaeda leaders and dismantle camps?
Do you think we should go to war for women's rights?
Wouldn't you, if someone came and displaced you and destroyed your home, embarking on an ethnic cleansing operation?
The most common language spoken in Israel is Russian GO FIGURE
@haroos
If that's the case, if criticism of Israel is automatically anti-semitism, then it should be said anti-semitism is a humane and good thing. The world needs more of it.
The notion that the existence of other crimes means Israel's crimes should go uncondemned is absurd. BTW, how many other countries control the lands of another people, but refuse to give them the recognition of citizenship? Actually Israel is quite unique in their violations of moral decency and international law.
What about the daily attacks/killings of the Palestinians, driving them out of their homes, stealing their lands, the destruction of their olive groves, etc, that's not an act of ant-Semitism? Or is it the fact that Israelis see them as non-persons, sub-human, inferior souls or not having any souls? "The Soul of a Jew is superior to that of a non-Jew. The view expressed in the above heading - as uncomfortable and emotionally charged as it may be in the minds of some - was undoubtedly, as we shall show, the prominent position maintained by authorities of Jewish thought throughout the ages, and continues to be so even today. While Jewish mysticism is the source and primary expositor of this theory, it has achieved a ubiquitous presence not only in the writings of Kabbalists but also in the works of thinkers found in the libraries of most observant Jews" Hanan Balk.
@DoctorFJK
Okay, listen, when I talk about religous basics, I'm NOT referring to current events or the status of the people within that particular religion. I'm talking only about the religion itself, what it TEACHES, and how it relates to their texts. I cannot say whether or not Judaism is a "hate filled" religion. Hate like discrimination? hate racism? There is nothing to admit if you are baseless.
The comments on here make me despair for humanity
@amibidhrohi2006 the site doesn't open.
i'll adress your other points :
as a guy who is living in israel, i can tell you that before 1993, the palestinians may not have had their own country, but a palestinian from ramalla could go to the sea in tel aviv without being stopped at all, and no one would ask questions.
after the oslo accords they got shanked.
why ?
because the hamas used terror, and the fatah encouraged it.
a game of chicken and egg can be played here.
@secretsantaone your right totally unfair, the fact that Jerusalem has been destroyed twice, besieged 23 times, attacked 52 times, and captured and recaptured 44 times is also unfair. reasons why jews used to live and now do live in jerusalem. Only nation who have been exiled and from their land and return. fact it happened 2000 years later dispersed throughout the word and survived is incredible. the story of the jewish people is one like no other. Love the Jews
@DoctorFJK Which of the ten commandments do you have a problem with?
1. Worship God only.
2. No idols.
3. Don't use the LORD's name in vain.
4. Remember the Sabbath.
5. Honor your parents.
6. Don't commit murder.
7. Don't commit adultery.
8. Don't steal.
9. Don't bear false witness against your neighbor.
10. Don't covet your neighbor's stuff.
Yeah, these really sound like some terrible guidelines to go by.
The people of Egypt, Tunisia,Morocco,Bahrain,Yemen,Saudi Arabia,Algeria, and countless other Arab peoples are WELL AWARE that their dictatorial regimes are backed and propped up by U.S money...
AND U EXPECT NO BLOWBACK?
So only Israel and the U.S have right to self-defense,huh?
Spain, Uk, 9/11 are not self- defense and protests of the wars, huh?
YOU ARE COMPLETELY INCONSISTENT WITH YOUR STANDARDS IN JUDGEMENT!
9/11 was not the start of anything...it was Arab protest for U.S involvement in ME.
But the U.S. is better of by raising the production of oil 5 fold and taking it all
back to the states. Iraq should be dry of oil within 20 years and then Iraq can
do whatever they want. If they like cleansing minorities, its up to them, they
are democratically elected. The will of the people.
He hitchslapped Obama.
@BAULJATOR You're right... because Israel is the pinnacle of womens' rights, childrens' rights, and human rights. I can't speak for all of Europe, but being leftist in Spain became popular not after the rise of popularity in the Keffiyeh, but during the dictatorship of Franco, during which the far right destroyed human rights and made life for the worker a living hell, accentuating the already apparent struggle of the workers.
Yes, I would have left the Baathist party and Saddam Hussein in power.
What the West did in unleashing sectarian forces in Iraq that Hussein kept from expolding is worse, especially for Christians in Iraq and also the Sunni minority, of which Hussein was also a member.
Christians in Iraq are shrinking, the have emigrated by the hundreds of thousands and are often stopped on the street and are even shot on the spot.
Read "Christianity in Iraq" on wikipedia.
@OneEyedJack1970 Because the US has given them BILLIONS of dollars. Every year its around 3 to 8 billion dollars, they now have arguably the best army in the world. There enemies consist of rock throwing Palestinians, tiny Lebanon who have paper rockets and Syria who don't try anything as a favor/ fear of the US. Jordan and Israel have no problems and there relationship with Egypt has improved. It's all very simple, there's nothing too complicated about it.
Wrong again
There are 3-4million Jews today descendants of MENA countries. Not Just Morocco. Tunis, Libya, Egypt, Lebanon, Syria, Yemen, Iraq and Iran.
Before the Farhud(Pogroms against Jews Baghdad 1941) in Iraq there were 150,000 Jews. After these pogroms about 110,000 Jews left mostly for Israel.
AND I QUOTE:
“ In June 1967 we had a choice…Egyptian army concentrations in the Sinai approaches did not prove that Nasser was really about to attack us. We must be honest with ourselves. We decided to attack him.” -MENACHEM BEGIN, Israeli PM
AND I QUOTE:
"I do not believe that Nasser wanted war. The two divisions which he sent into Sinai on May 14 would not have been enough to unleash an offensive against Israel. He knew it and we knew it."
-Yitzhak Rabin, Israeli Defence Forces and PM
@DoctorFJK I was raised a Baptist. In any case, Jesus said the two greatest commandments are to love God with everything you have, and to love your neighbor as yourself. This sort of attitude doesn't exactly lend itself to wanton destruction and slaying.
Then also during Bush senior, Iraq was told that when it comes to Kuwait USA would not interfere in their affairs.
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Later the transcript has Glaspie saying:
"We have no opinion on your Arab-Arab conflicts, such as your dispute with Kuwait. Secretary Baker has directed me to emphasize the instruction, first given to Iraq in the 1960s, that the Kuwait issue is not associated with America."
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/April_Glaspie
@DoctorFJK
No if the religion doesn't preach it, you blame human nature. I don't care how many people die under one ideology ie. socialism or revolution.........if part of that ideology is not murdering, then it doesn't make it logical to place the blame on that ideology as "hateful" or "violent", especially if it's OPPOSED to killing or murdering.
If an atheist state started commiting widespread acts of violence, are you willing to blame the state ideology instead of the state? HELL NO
This is where I disagree with Hitchens; Israel should build on The West Bank; Israel won this land pushing back an attacking Jordan; nations that fight and win defensive wars get to dictate the peace.
I also disagree with Hitchens on the Iraq war; we had no business going there at all.
Remove the Jewish influence and I would be harping about the next scandal within the U.S ...
I grant you this...
The worlds never gonna be ideal, but I and many others get a real sick feeling when we are embroiling ourselves in wars on behalf of our Jewish "friends", or picking obvious sides in a conflict and adopting Israels enemies as our own.
I would sooner be friends and business partners with all the Arab states, than be their enemy for just little ol' Israel, who fits into Florida 8 times!
By my logic if Iraq chooses to follow its current path, than they will
suffer the same fate as the Hutus, Serbs( I don't agree what has been done to the serbs, nor was there an Albanian massacre) and
Germany. You can only be told how to behave 577 times on 578th
.......
Why oh why couldn't there be a debate with Obama and Hitchens... I would've loved that
"Israel/Palestine" is somewhat of a study. I am not in agreement with Hitchens, as the problem isn't so much "what can America do" but why European countries have not invaded "Israel/Palestine". I don't understand why such an easy problem is not resolved instantly with warfare. There is no particular debate here, hundred of thousands of people have had their land hijacked by a group of religious fundamentalists, and the secular world must react. Ah, I forgot, the west made this for a reason.
@DoctorFJK You're saying it's bad symbolism without even identifying the symbolic laws or what they symbolize. That's not rational position to take.
@DoctorFJK How do they stay a nation? In case you haven't noticed, they're completely surrounded by enemies who have tried time and again (and failed each time) to destroy them. Are the Jews just the ultimate badasses or what?
As for your question of "why are you and everyone else so concerned with Palestinians"...
Maybe it has something to do with our unwavering political, moral and financial support of Israel ( to a tune of tens of BILLIONS over the years).
Maybe because Bin Laden himself, in a taped interview released in Nov. 2004 blamed the 9'11 attack on America's military and financial support for Israel's actions against the Palestinian peoples.
Israels problems should not be ours, END OF STORY! ITS OUR MONEY
@DoctorFJK
I'm not denying that a lot of bigotry comes from religious PEOPLE, but religion is just one factor, many people are too stuck up to listen to what their religion preaches or what they set their mind to and instead go about what they feel--anger, frustration, REVENGE, etc etc etc...
Gays get discriminated in the U.S. a lot. Yeah..................I know. Not just for their "strange" behaviour but by trying to justify it with faith, when it comes to the more extreme people.
Interesting. "Behave or we revoke loan gurantees" worked? Thats positive news. Its also sad news that the inner workings of the problems were that trite, considering how many have died for it.
Note also that USA made the threat to ONE side.
1- so what? They need to be killed or stopped, as did the Taliban who were training and supporting them.They declared war on the US, killing 2500 people.
2-you exaggerate the abilities of "black ops and intelligence". The Taliban government needed to be brought down.Sending a few drones is not going to do that.
3- no it wasn't, although it didn't hurt public support for the war---did it.
4-these are my own thoughts.
As for "thou shalt not kill" -- it's better rendered as "thou shalt not commit murder." This, of course, applies to everybody, and permits no exclusions based on religious preferences or anything else.
@AceofDlamonds No one ever got hurt. Only when they reached a land where they had different beliefs would they wipe them out. The Protestants fought the catholics vigourasly in the UK, so when they found new land, they wanted no opposition to there religion.
And Bush sr. was only a one-term President that stood up to the Jews.
That pretty much says it all.
I see our U.S politicians insisting every day on tv, print and radio that America's interests lay with the practical and material factors and considerations,yet when it comes to Israel I see absolute ideological notions taking precedent.
How does it benefit Americans to be enemies with Iran rather than mutual business partners?
Iran would LOVE to do business with us...
This is but one of a million examples.
It does not make sense, except that our country has been hijacked, and I see the signs.
First, which Grand Mufti are you talking about? Second, if we are talking about post-ottoman Mufti this position was appointed by the british mandate, so no wonder he did not speak ill of the mandate. Third, the UN plan was vague, rushed and lacking any concerne for the Arab interests. And by the way, Israel did not adhere to it either.
I never heard Hitchens say anything like that. He considers Zionism a bad idea, but he said that many states were founded on bad ideas, it's not a reason to throw people out. That already means that he does not support PLO fractions which try to reclaim Palestine. But he has spoken out on Israel driving palestinian civilians out of their homes in recent years. And it doesn't seem like that many people criticize Israel or do something about it. Certainly not the biggest superpower in the world.
@DoctorFJK I never thought you were serious.
@AceofDlamonds I agree with that statement completely.
@HardforJesus humanist movements is an extremely broad phrase. You could argue that the protestant reformation was a humanist movement. Various humanist movements are grounded on very different understandings of reality though. There is no verse in the bible that condemns intercourse with children, but to conclude that this entails that Christianity is not opposed to it is perhaps misguided logic. Faith in the gospels does provide the foundation for judeo-christian philosophy.
@TheLogicalKey
Israel has the highiest number of atheists per capita. Being Jewish doesnt mean being religious
Okay, fair enough but only if you tell that to the Sunni-Muslim minority and all the Christians in Iraq, too.
By the way there are many successful Jews of Morrocon descent living in Israel:
Shlomo Ben-Ami - member of Labor party
Amir Peretz - former Union leader, Minister of defense during Lebenon War 2006
David Levy - former member of Likkud
Meir Sheetrit - Member of Centrists party Kadima , Formerly of Likkud,
Shiri Maimon - Pop star
Reuven Abergel - founder of Israeli Black Panthers
Shlomo Amar - Sephardi Chief Rabbi of Israel
Aryeh Deri - Former Shas leader
That is incorrect, I would call it a lie, but it is only a lie if you know the truth, which I have no way of knowing. But I can enlight you about the facts and hope you renew your research. The Nakba was seen as necessary, because no matter how you would slice up the region to make for an arab state and jewish one, the arabs would be in a majority. Therefor, the jews saw as their only option to displace the arabs, Nakba, to prevent any arab majority.
@DoctorFJK "Wiping out an an entire group of people isn't overusing authority?"
This is God we're talking about. Not some human agency.
"If someone was robbing a bank and holding hostages, and the policeman in charge just blew up the whole bank, is that not overusing authority?"
I'm afraid it would be more than just that.
"Anyway, I must go for now because I'm exhausted, I'll answer the rest tomorrow. "
Take a break, and think about some of the things that've been said.
Spoken like someone who has never been to, lived in, or met anyone from Iraq.
@haroos and leaders should be making a bigger effort to solve the problem, to stop hamas blowing things up, and also to stop Israel building on Palestinian land. But leaders are hesitant because it's an ugly problem when fused with religion of which there are two sides. Not acting means the neighboring countries get mad at you and offending Israel can label you as an anti-semite which is ridiculous just because you are against a countries policies or methods doesn't mean you hate them.
i love it how finklestein looks at him with mere admiration
i think you are wrong, the guy beside him is not finkelstein
that’s not finkelstein lmfao the actual finkelstein despised hitchens
It was nto by any means secular, it's only the most secular in the region because you had to compare to places like Iran.
no... my parents were born here in Israel
and 2 out of 4 of my grandparents were born here in Israel and are native.
@DoctorFJK
doctor you are missing the point!! Chrsitianity means NEW COVENANT with God. Basically we are not required to tithe, any of the old "instrusive" laws of the Iron-Age Jews, and are actually told to NOT murder or retaliate against an offender. I have told you the main reason behind much of ethnic and widespread violence but u ignore it: It doesn't matter your religion or creed, if your human interest exceeds that, you can spread bigotry any way. Look at Stalin. Look at Burmese.
@DoctorFJK
Exactly. That verse, which I was pretty certain you'd quote, is referring to the days of the Jews.They are not OPEN ENDED orders to kill other tribes. In addition to that, there is no NEED to take any land for the Jews, let alone the Christians. Xtianity is not a religion of conquest. There were conquistadors that spread their violence to the Americas, yes, sometimes in the name of religion, yes. Nowhere does Jesus advocate such violence: "turn the other cheek", "do onto others"?
@doritela2008 Most people in sweden are atheists, it is traditionally a christian nation but now one of the most secular in the world.
@DoctorFJK He spared Abraham's son. He didn't spare His own.
Good question ! I'm asking myself the same question ?
how to reach Hitch's level of comprehension ?
Read, Read, Read.
Wrong. it's Read, Write, Write, Read, Write, Write.
If you read well, you'll write well. if you read poorly, your writing will suck.
@@stlabido11 that's arguably not true. Being an avid or enthusiastic reader by no means makes you a good writer
@@nad1ax2 i see that you won't leave me alone, ok, its Read, Write, Write, Read, Write, Write.
Ouch.
I'm beginning to suspect that perhaps this fellow didn't die. He was killed.🤔
I'm an Israeli, i'm from the atheist left. I also know you MrJapaneseboy from other videos' comments section and I like the way you are battling cyber-Jihadists and terror-supporters :)
Do you count the IDF as a terror group?
@DoctorFJK Have you asked your professor about context, yet? When you get around to it, why don't you run some of those quotes by him, and see what he says.