Hitchens on Obama's Israel Policy: 'Not Impressive'

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  • @SierraSierraFoxtrot
    @SierraSierraFoxtrot 12 ปีที่แล้ว +135

    Hitch knew more about Israeli politics and reality than 99% of my fellow Israelis...

    • @TheGodlessGuitarist
      @TheGodlessGuitarist 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Isralites?

    • @theElmon11
      @theElmon11 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      @@TheGodlessGuitarist Vastly different things

    • @conscientiamngo
      @conscientiamngo 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      He was a master. Future generations will recognize him as a genius of this era one of the brightest minds I had the chance to meet...if survives this sixth mass Extinction+ fascism rise ...

    • @conscientiamngo
      @conscientiamngo 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      He was a master. Future generations will recognize him as a genius of this era one of the brightest minds I had the chance to meet...if survives this sixth mass Extinction+ fascism rise ...

    • @philipmann5317
      @philipmann5317 28 วันที่ผ่านมา

      He was also an antisemite. I heard him say on one clip that the Jews should never be forgiven for rejecting two other faiths. That makes him an antisemite.

  • @haberjennings475
    @haberjennings475 3 ปีที่แล้ว +46

    Never make a flippant comment at Hitchens and expect to survive it

    • @conscientiamngo
      @conscientiamngo 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      He will love it 🤣✊

  • @redshark618
    @redshark618 12 ปีที่แล้ว +87

    Hitchens himself is pretty impressive with fact recollection

  • @elishahthompson4334
    @elishahthompson4334 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +30

    2024 just learning about these hot takes from Hitchens🔥🗣️

    • @XcaliburReborn
      @XcaliburReborn 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Go watch all his other stuff. He possesses a great mind and masterful debating skills. Learned so much from him

    • @donshingondonvergonio2247
      @donshingondonvergonio2247 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      I'm just coming back to him after hearing all the people spouting bullshit about presente day conflicts.

  • @etrax7007
    @etrax7007 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +30

    Chris Hitchens was too brilliant for most people to understand. Well ahead of understanding gas lighting, globalism and their intelligence and media agencies.

    • @ast3077
      @ast3077 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      true

    • @Birdup978
      @Birdup978 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Hitchens was himself a globalist

  • @anabolic_red
    @anabolic_red 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +40

    The genius of this man was almost supernatural. It shouldn't be possible for a human being to be this intelligent and adapt at socio political argument.

  • @fun_facts_and_music
    @fun_facts_and_music 13 ปีที่แล้ว +18

    Props to Hitchens for standing up for Palestina ! Because Obama doesn't DARE to.

  • @GC-369
    @GC-369 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +16

    That last sentence of his was pure gold.

  • @elibertor
    @elibertor 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +15

    Here in 2023, learning more about the Israeli/Palestinian conflict

    • @fledgendbeats4581
      @fledgendbeats4581 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

      Me too....hitchens was a good look up

  • @fleshofdanny
    @fleshofdanny 11 ปีที่แล้ว +32

    We had Hitchens at the right place, and at the right time.

  • @nadinejoyce1203
    @nadinejoyce1203 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

    Hitch. What would he say now? So missed.

  • @Reido2828
    @Reido2828 12 ปีที่แล้ว +15

    Hitchens is needed back on Earth and NOW!!!!

  • @woofielove1970
    @woofielove1970 12 ปีที่แล้ว +16

    0:29 Amazing, the Hitch completely owns the idiots followed with the few laughing who understand what he just said and how right he was.

    • @RedNovaMedia
      @RedNovaMedia 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Thank you for bringing this up. It seems there will always be spectators who wish to be entertained, rather than thinkers who wish to change the future of our children... and childrens children. Flippant comments made to strike at Hitchens never last more than a few seconds.

  • @incredibleXMan
    @incredibleXMan 5 ปีที่แล้ว +87

    This is the thing I respect about Hitchens. He may have moved to the right on some things but he cleaved to the truth on this one, the theft of Palestinian land by Israel.

    • @סיוןיונה-ת2ו
      @סיוןיונה-ת2ו 5 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      There wasn't and there will never be a Palestin!! Get over it!! It's ISRAEL and it belongs to us THE JEWISH PEOPLE!!!!

    • @ItsAllBeenDecided
      @ItsAllBeenDecided 5 ปีที่แล้ว +25

      Mr Hitchens was a Social Democrat until the end. What was impressive about him was his critical thinking skills. He did not play party politics. And, in my view, the other thing I loved was that he was a self-proclaimed and vociferous atheist, which goes to prove that religion is NOT necessary to have the utmost integrity and to advocate for social justice. He was a formidable man, though at times a bit terse.

    • @FilmedbyEdmund
      @FilmedbyEdmund 4 ปีที่แล้ว +16

      @@סיוןיונה-ת2ו ow there was, there certainly was

    • @EpicMRPancake
      @EpicMRPancake 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      He did not move to the right, the left moved to the right. People like you can't tell because clear understanding of Iraq is uncommon to say the least.

    • @incredibleXMan
      @incredibleXMan 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      EpicMRPancake I think it’s a bit more complicated than probably you or I said on here. Hitchens used to call himself a socialist and then over some time ditched it. He didn’t really talk about economic inequality or the structure of the capitalist system. It ended up that we were sent to war on Iraq on manipulated intelligence by the US and UK. The regimes in power there are the time of Iraq the ‘old’ Hitchens would have balked at. So yes he did move to the right quite clearly but that did not mean he was right wing. Yes the left have moved right too.

  • @simsonyee
    @simsonyee 12 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    From the 1948 Arab-Israeli War until the early 1970s, 800,000-1,000,000 Jews left, fled, or were expelled from their homes in Arab countries; 260,000 of them reached Israel between 1948 and 1951; and 600,000 by 1972. Lebanon was the only Arab country to see an increase in its Jewish population after 1948, which was due to an influx of refugees from other Arab countries. However, by the 1970s the Jewish community of Lebanon too dwindled due to hostilities of the Lebanese Civil War.

    • @pjperalta
      @pjperalta 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Ashkenazi Jews have a mutation in
      Achromosome 3 that changes protocadherin , a protein that influences brain processes. The mutation may cause a number of mental problems, including epilepsy, but, most inportantly, it causes religious fantasies and psychopatic trends, such as we see in Zionism, that believes that God has given Jews the dominion on the earth, and that they may dispose of thousands of slaves and kill all other humans. That would explain the present madness of Netanyahu. The disease is fully described in PubMed!

  • @IsraeliPastafarian
    @IsraeliPastafarian 12 ปีที่แล้ว +27

    I'm an Israeli & I agree 110% !!

  • @Propagandhi900
    @Propagandhi900 13 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    @lauraleesmithagain He's saying that there are arabs all over Israel and Palesitne who hold deeds to homes and land.
    They were evicted and kicked out by Jewish settlers.

  • @AceofDlamonds
    @AceofDlamonds 13 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    @DoctorFJK
    Look at it this way, My native country is Burma(Myanmar). Now if you are up to date with current events you'll know that the dictatorship once and probably still wanted the entire Buddhist majority country to fall under state Buddhism. You see what happens with ANY ideology or religion has millions of followers? Trouble starts, people start contradicting their TEACHINGS by murdering, discriminating, not living like a Buddhist, etc. It's all about social expansion. It ruins.

  • @greenhornet299
    @greenhornet299 12 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    BRILLIANT BRILLIANT Man....sorely missed.......

  • @IChIDH
    @IChIDH 11 ปีที่แล้ว +28

    "It was the Jews who accepted the UN partition plan while Arabs were the ones who waged war rather than accept it"
    True, but...did you stop to consider if it was a fair partition? From my understanding it was far over-reaching, with the by far smaller population getting the larger portion of land. Of course it was rejected...

    • @markusd.7409
      @markusd.7409 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      The Jewish part would have been a lot smaller, their population equaled that of the Muslim population

    • @cemirmak1593
      @cemirmak1593 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      the partition took into account jewish land ownership and Palestinian land ownership. When you discount the barren desert in the south, must of the liveable arable land went to the Palestinians.

  • @mapant
    @mapant 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    The relevance of his comment now is more than ever.

  • @toddles9
    @toddles9 12 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Farewell, Hitch. We'll miss you and your sheer brilliance.

  • @ShadyRonin
    @ShadyRonin 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

    I don’t always agree with Hitchens but he’s 100% right on this one

    • @howdydo5760
      @howdydo5760 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      We don't care if you don't always agree. It doesn't add insight to this clip and frankly you flatter yourself.

    • @dinuffin
      @dinuffin 2 วันที่ผ่านมา

      ​@@howdydo5760Why does he have more likes than you then?

  • @ItsAllBeenDecided
    @ItsAllBeenDecided 5 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    We have a problem in the U.S. and that is that any criticism of Israeli policy is immediately labeled as anti-semitic. The Israeli government is a problem, not Jewish people, per se. I have Jewish friends that agree and who do not support Netanyahu. Money in politics is never good but it's so pervasive in the U.S., it won't likely change any time soon.

  • @teyzar
    @teyzar 13 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    That is NOT Norman Finkelstein, it's Geoffrey Garrett. They give full details on the linked page.
    Although in that video, with the blurriness and distance, he does look a little bit like Norman; that would have been a fascinating video Norman and Hitchens side by side.

  • @SLAVESweARE
    @SLAVESweARE 13 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I am not questioning the existence of the modern state of Israel, as defined post-1948...even if I disagree on how these events came about with the violent expulsion of the previous centuries inhabitants...
    But to justify the ever-increasing encroachment on the Golan Heights,Gaza, West Bank and Jerusalem, what to speak of the gross attacks on Lebanon over the years,is utterly pitiful.
    I do not defend Hamas, Hezbollah, et al, but that there are those who defend Israel is sickening...

  • @tonyLA24
    @tonyLA24 14 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Hitch is awesome. He doesn't have a party, that is how everyone should think about things. Not be a democrat or republican, but an individual who can THINK!

  • @ThackDaddyJr
    @ThackDaddyJr 3 ปีที่แล้ว +17

    I love it when intelligent people say things that go against mainstream liberalism, especially when they themselves are either liberal or a leftist. Just laying down the facts with no bias filter. As a democrat, i have no problem in saying that generally speaking, Bush Sr was not a bad president at all

    • @borninvincible
      @borninvincible 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      He was a war criminal 🤡

    • @kaybash9015
      @kaybash9015 ปีที่แล้ว

      What do you think about jr?

    • @ThackDaddyJr
      @ThackDaddyJr ปีที่แล้ว

      @@kaybash9015 war criminal, mass murderer. The usual

  • @thesubhumancomedy
    @thesubhumancomedy 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Extremely on point, even now (2024).

  • @porterhouse
    @porterhouse 12 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    1- Al-Qaeda is a loosely affiliated collection of Islamic extremists. It is not a conventional army. It's scope has been greatly exaggerated.
    2- Yes, I am saying the USA should not have invaded Afghanistan. Black ops and intelligence are the only way to fight terrorists. Conventional warfare does not work and has crippled America's economy.
    3- Women's rights was not a factor in invading Afghanistan in the slightest. That is my point.
    4- Stop regurgitating propaganda verbatim.

  • @urgaalnoir5268
    @urgaalnoir5268 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    damn is there any recording for Hitchens view on Israel ?

    • @rajvo7406
      @rajvo7406 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Here it is, buddy

  • @Adammonte9000
    @Adammonte9000 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    This might apply even more today for Biden's approach toward Israel & Palestine.

  • @SLAVESweARE
    @SLAVESweARE 13 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    AND I QUOTE:
    - there was "no threat of destruction" but that the attack on Egypt, Jordan and Syria was nevertheless justified so that Israel could "exist according the scale, spirit, and quality she now embodies." "There was never a danger of extermination. This hypothesis had never been considered in any serious meeting."
    -General Ezer Weizman, Chief of Operations, Israeli Defence Forces, General Staff:

  • @OneEyedJack1970
    @OneEyedJack1970 13 ปีที่แล้ว

    @DoctorFJK Over 20 million people in Russia. Upwards of 100 million in China. Atheism was a primary tenet of the communistic regimes responsible for all these deaths.

  • @mohamedgoldstein5565
    @mohamedgoldstein5565 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Biting sarcasm in every line

  • @deandalton8482
    @deandalton8482 7 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    Hitchens' point about Bush snr is irrelevant because the settlements continued after he made that statement and nothing of the sort was done. Again Hitchens makes the mistake of admiring words of a govt instead of looking at their actions.

    • @Hirnlego999
      @Hirnlego999 6 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Yes, and some criticism also came from Bush junior and Obama. But not much was done, if anything.

    • @waterkingdavid
      @waterkingdavid 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Exactly. Talk is cheap. All bark and no bite.

    • @testacals
      @testacals 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      well, a policy can be impressive while it not being activated

  • @JerrySPsy
    @JerrySPsy 11 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    They were not illegal immigrants at all! What made the Arabs the gatekeepers? Since England won the war was it not entitled to decide, or allow the League of Nations to decide, on whether part of it could be earmarked for Jews? And if Arabs & Turks did not want more Jews there why did they sell them so much land and so many homes? Plus Jews brought many advantages to all inhabitants of Palestine.

  • @Propagandhi900
    @Propagandhi900 13 ปีที่แล้ว

    @IBeatUpThugs So that gives them the right to evict Palestinians who had nothing to do with it?
    Two wrongs don't make a right.

  • @writersblock26
    @writersblock26 13 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    @drbayoms Well, I kind of agree with you on Obama asking the Israeli government tougher questions than those posed by his predecessors, but I feel there is an increasing disparity between his campaign rhetoric and his actions with regard to the Palestinian state. No, I'm not especially surprised since most presidents have to break at least some of their campaign promises, but I am a little disappointed.

  • @rodion-z
    @rodion-z 11 ปีที่แล้ว

    I do not pretend to be a specialist on the Palestine-Israel conflict, but I don't see how your view is contradictory to what Hitchens said.

  • @adstanra
    @adstanra 12 ปีที่แล้ว

    as you can see by recent events, Al-Qaeda is not just one man, but a network, that was supported and trained by the Taliban, and others. Are you saying that the US should not have invaded Afghanistan after 911 after the refusal of the Taliban to hand over Al-Qaeda leaders and dismantle camps?
    Do you think we should go to war for women's rights?

  • @steffencray
    @steffencray 11 ปีที่แล้ว

    Wouldn't you, if someone came and displaced you and destroyed your home, embarking on an ethnic cleansing operation?

  • @vladoparenzan3344
    @vladoparenzan3344 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    The most common language spoken in Israel is Russian GO FIGURE

  • @amibidhrohi2006
    @amibidhrohi2006 13 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    @haroos
    If that's the case, if criticism of Israel is automatically anti-semitism, then it should be said anti-semitism is a humane and good thing. The world needs more of it.
    The notion that the existence of other crimes means Israel's crimes should go uncondemned is absurd. BTW, how many other countries control the lands of another people, but refuse to give them the recognition of citizenship? Actually Israel is quite unique in their violations of moral decency and international law.

    • @sirfrozsomji3984
      @sirfrozsomji3984 ปีที่แล้ว

      What about the daily attacks/killings of the Palestinians, driving them out of their homes, stealing their lands, the destruction of their olive groves, etc, that's not an act of ant-Semitism? Or is it the fact that Israelis see them as non-persons, sub-human, inferior souls or not having any souls? "The Soul of a Jew is superior to that of a non-Jew. The view expressed in the above heading - as uncomfortable and emotionally charged as it may be in the minds of some - was undoubtedly, as we shall show, the prominent position maintained by authorities of Jewish thought throughout the ages, and continues to be so even today. While Jewish mysticism is the source and primary expositor of this theory, it has achieved a ubiquitous presence not only in the writings of Kabbalists but also in the works of thinkers found in the libraries of most observant Jews" Hanan Balk.

  • @AceofDlamonds
    @AceofDlamonds 13 ปีที่แล้ว

    @DoctorFJK
    Okay, listen, when I talk about religous basics, I'm NOT referring to current events or the status of the people within that particular religion. I'm talking only about the religion itself, what it TEACHES, and how it relates to their texts. I cannot say whether or not Judaism is a "hate filled" religion. Hate like discrimination? hate racism? There is nothing to admit if you are baseless.

  • @weefeatures
    @weefeatures 12 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    The comments on here make me despair for humanity

  • @haroos
    @haroos 13 ปีที่แล้ว

    @amibidhrohi2006 the site doesn't open.
    i'll adress your other points :
    as a guy who is living in israel, i can tell you that before 1993, the palestinians may not have had their own country, but a palestinian from ramalla could go to the sea in tel aviv without being stopped at all, and no one would ask questions.
    after the oslo accords they got shanked.
    why ?
    because the hamas used terror, and the fatah encouraged it.
    a game of chicken and egg can be played here.

  • @momobear67
    @momobear67 12 ปีที่แล้ว

    @secretsantaone your right totally unfair, the fact that Jerusalem has been destroyed twice, besieged 23 times, attacked 52 times, and captured and recaptured 44 times is also unfair. reasons why jews used to live and now do live in jerusalem. Only nation who have been exiled and from their land and return. fact it happened 2000 years later dispersed throughout the word and survived is incredible. the story of the jewish people is one like no other. Love the Jews

  • @OneEyedJack1970
    @OneEyedJack1970 13 ปีที่แล้ว

    @DoctorFJK Which of the ten commandments do you have a problem with?
    1. Worship God only.
    2. No idols.
    3. Don't use the LORD's name in vain.
    4. Remember the Sabbath.
    5. Honor your parents.
    6. Don't commit murder.
    7. Don't commit adultery.
    8. Don't steal.
    9. Don't bear false witness against your neighbor.
    10. Don't covet your neighbor's stuff.
    Yeah, these really sound like some terrible guidelines to go by.

  • @SLAVESweARE
    @SLAVESweARE 13 ปีที่แล้ว

    The people of Egypt, Tunisia,Morocco,Bahrain,Yemen,Saudi Arabia,Algeria, and countless other Arab peoples are WELL AWARE that their dictatorial regimes are backed and propped up by U.S money...
    AND U EXPECT NO BLOWBACK?
    So only Israel and the U.S have right to self-defense,huh?
    Spain, Uk, 9/11 are not self- defense and protests of the wars, huh?
    YOU ARE COMPLETELY INCONSISTENT WITH YOUR STANDARDS IN JUDGEMENT!
    9/11 was not the start of anything...it was Arab protest for U.S involvement in ME.

  • @yefimfeldman7139
    @yefimfeldman7139 11 ปีที่แล้ว

    But the U.S. is better of by raising the production of oil 5 fold and taking it all
    back to the states. Iraq should be dry of oil within 20 years and then Iraq can
    do whatever they want. If they like cleansing minorities, its up to them, they
    are democratically elected. The will of the people.

  • @DSkehan2004
    @DSkehan2004 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    He hitchslapped Obama.

  • @Marcownz747
    @Marcownz747 13 ปีที่แล้ว

    @BAULJATOR You're right... because Israel is the pinnacle of womens' rights, childrens' rights, and human rights. I can't speak for all of Europe, but being leftist in Spain became popular not after the rise of popularity in the Keffiyeh, but during the dictatorship of Franco, during which the far right destroyed human rights and made life for the worker a living hell, accentuating the already apparent struggle of the workers.

  • @SatchmoSings
    @SatchmoSings 12 ปีที่แล้ว

    Yes, I would have left the Baathist party and Saddam Hussein in power.
    What the West did in unleashing sectarian forces in Iraq that Hussein kept from expolding is worse, especially for Christians in Iraq and also the Sunni minority, of which Hussein was also a member.
    Christians in Iraq are shrinking, the have emigrated by the hundreds of thousands and are often stopped on the street and are even shot on the spot.
    Read "Christianity in Iraq" on wikipedia.

  • @DoctorFJK
    @DoctorFJK 13 ปีที่แล้ว

    @OneEyedJack1970 Because the US has given them BILLIONS of dollars. Every year its around 3 to 8 billion dollars, they now have arguably the best army in the world. There enemies consist of rock throwing Palestinians, tiny Lebanon who have paper rockets and Syria who don't try anything as a favor/ fear of the US. Jordan and Israel have no problems and there relationship with Egypt has improved. It's all very simple, there's nothing too complicated about it.

  • @simsonyee
    @simsonyee 12 ปีที่แล้ว

    Wrong again
    There are 3-4million Jews today descendants of MENA countries. Not Just Morocco. Tunis, Libya, Egypt, Lebanon, Syria, Yemen, Iraq and Iran.
    Before the Farhud(Pogroms against Jews Baghdad 1941) in Iraq there were 150,000 Jews. After these pogroms about 110,000 Jews left mostly for Israel.

  • @SLAVESweARE
    @SLAVESweARE 13 ปีที่แล้ว

    AND I QUOTE:
    “ In June 1967 we had a choice…Egyptian army concentrations in the Sinai approaches did not prove that Nasser was really about to attack us. We must be honest with ourselves. We decided to attack him.” -MENACHEM BEGIN, Israeli PM
    AND I QUOTE:
    "I do not believe that Nasser wanted war. The two divisions which he sent into Sinai on May 14 would not have been enough to unleash an offensive against Israel. He knew it and we knew it."
    -Yitzhak Rabin, Israeli Defence Forces and PM

  • @OneEyedJack1970
    @OneEyedJack1970 13 ปีที่แล้ว

    @DoctorFJK I was raised a Baptist. In any case, Jesus said the two greatest commandments are to love God with everything you have, and to love your neighbor as yourself. This sort of attitude doesn't exactly lend itself to wanton destruction and slaying.

  • @Hirnlego999
    @Hirnlego999 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    Then also during Bush senior, Iraq was told that when it comes to Kuwait USA would not interfere in their affairs.
    ___
    Later the transcript has Glaspie saying:
    "We have no opinion on your Arab-Arab conflicts, such as your dispute with Kuwait. Secretary Baker has directed me to emphasize the instruction, first given to Iraq in the 1960s, that the Kuwait issue is not associated with America."
    en.wikipedia.org/wiki/April_Glaspie

  • @AceofDlamonds
    @AceofDlamonds 13 ปีที่แล้ว

    @DoctorFJK
    No if the religion doesn't preach it, you blame human nature. I don't care how many people die under one ideology ie. socialism or revolution.........if part of that ideology is not murdering, then it doesn't make it logical to place the blame on that ideology as "hateful" or "violent", especially if it's OPPOSED to killing or murdering.
    If an atheist state started commiting widespread acts of violence, are you willing to blame the state ideology instead of the state? HELL NO

  • @SatchmoSings
    @SatchmoSings 12 ปีที่แล้ว

    This is where I disagree with Hitchens; Israel should build on The West Bank; Israel won this land pushing back an attacking Jordan; nations that fight and win defensive wars get to dictate the peace.
    I also disagree with Hitchens on the Iraq war; we had no business going there at all.

  • @SLAVESweARE
    @SLAVESweARE 13 ปีที่แล้ว

    Remove the Jewish influence and I would be harping about the next scandal within the U.S ...
    I grant you this...
    The worlds never gonna be ideal, but I and many others get a real sick feeling when we are embroiling ourselves in wars on behalf of our Jewish "friends", or picking obvious sides in a conflict and adopting Israels enemies as our own.
    I would sooner be friends and business partners with all the Arab states, than be their enemy for just little ol' Israel, who fits into Florida 8 times!

  • @yefimfeldman7139
    @yefimfeldman7139 11 ปีที่แล้ว

    By my logic if Iraq chooses to follow its current path, than they will
    suffer the same fate as the Hutus, Serbs( I don't agree what has been done to the serbs, nor was there an Albanian massacre) and
    Germany. You can only be told how to behave 577 times on 578th
    .......

  • @TheLordHodne
    @TheLordHodne 12 ปีที่แล้ว

    Why oh why couldn't there be a debate with Obama and Hitchens... I would've loved that

  • @GnosticAtheist
    @GnosticAtheist 14 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    "Israel/Palestine" is somewhat of a study. I am not in agreement with Hitchens, as the problem isn't so much "what can America do" but why European countries have not invaded "Israel/Palestine". I don't understand why such an easy problem is not resolved instantly with warfare. There is no particular debate here, hundred of thousands of people have had their land hijacked by a group of religious fundamentalists, and the secular world must react. Ah, I forgot, the west made this for a reason.

  • @OneEyedJack1970
    @OneEyedJack1970 13 ปีที่แล้ว

    @DoctorFJK You're saying it's bad symbolism without even identifying the symbolic laws or what they symbolize. That's not rational position to take.

  • @OneEyedJack1970
    @OneEyedJack1970 13 ปีที่แล้ว

    @DoctorFJK How do they stay a nation? In case you haven't noticed, they're completely surrounded by enemies who have tried time and again (and failed each time) to destroy them. Are the Jews just the ultimate badasses or what?

  • @SLAVESweARE
    @SLAVESweARE 13 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    As for your question of "why are you and everyone else so concerned with Palestinians"...
    Maybe it has something to do with our unwavering political, moral and financial support of Israel ( to a tune of tens of BILLIONS over the years).
    Maybe because Bin Laden himself, in a taped interview released in Nov. 2004 blamed the 9'11 attack on America's military and financial support for Israel's actions against the Palestinian peoples.
    Israels problems should not be ours, END OF STORY! ITS OUR MONEY

  • @AceofDlamonds
    @AceofDlamonds 13 ปีที่แล้ว

    @DoctorFJK
    I'm not denying that a lot of bigotry comes from religious PEOPLE, but religion is just one factor, many people are too stuck up to listen to what their religion preaches or what they set their mind to and instead go about what they feel--anger, frustration, REVENGE, etc etc etc...
    Gays get discriminated in the U.S. a lot. Yeah..................I know. Not just for their "strange" behaviour but by trying to justify it with faith, when it comes to the more extreme people.

  • @CognosSquare
    @CognosSquare 14 ปีที่แล้ว

    Interesting. "Behave or we revoke loan gurantees" worked? Thats positive news. Its also sad news that the inner workings of the problems were that trite, considering how many have died for it.
    Note also that USA made the threat to ONE side.

  • @adstanra
    @adstanra 12 ปีที่แล้ว

    1- so what? They need to be killed or stopped, as did the Taliban who were training and supporting them.They declared war on the US, killing 2500 people.
    2-you exaggerate the abilities of "black ops and intelligence". The Taliban government needed to be brought down.Sending a few drones is not going to do that.
    3- no it wasn't, although it didn't hurt public support for the war---did it.
    4-these are my own thoughts.

  • @OneEyedJack1970
    @OneEyedJack1970 13 ปีที่แล้ว

    As for "thou shalt not kill" -- it's better rendered as "thou shalt not commit murder." This, of course, applies to everybody, and permits no exclusions based on religious preferences or anything else.

  • @DoctorFJK
    @DoctorFJK 13 ปีที่แล้ว

    @AceofDlamonds No one ever got hurt. Only when they reached a land where they had different beliefs would they wipe them out. The Protestants fought the catholics vigourasly in the UK, so when they found new land, they wanted no opposition to there religion.

  • @poodtang1
    @poodtang1 12 ปีที่แล้ว

    And Bush sr. was only a one-term President that stood up to the Jews.
    That pretty much says it all.

  • @SLAVESweARE
    @SLAVESweARE 13 ปีที่แล้ว

    I see our U.S politicians insisting every day on tv, print and radio that America's interests lay with the practical and material factors and considerations,yet when it comes to Israel I see absolute ideological notions taking precedent.
    How does it benefit Americans to be enemies with Iran rather than mutual business partners?
    Iran would LOVE to do business with us...
    This is but one of a million examples.
    It does not make sense, except that our country has been hijacked, and I see the signs.

  • @rodion-z
    @rodion-z 11 ปีที่แล้ว

    First, which Grand Mufti are you talking about? Second, if we are talking about post-ottoman Mufti this position was appointed by the british mandate, so no wonder he did not speak ill of the mandate. Third, the UN plan was vague, rushed and lacking any concerne for the Arab interests. And by the way, Israel did not adhere to it either.

  • @rodion-z
    @rodion-z 11 ปีที่แล้ว

    I never heard Hitchens say anything like that. He considers Zionism a bad idea, but he said that many states were founded on bad ideas, it's not a reason to throw people out. That already means that he does not support PLO fractions which try to reclaim Palestine. But he has spoken out on Israel driving palestinian civilians out of their homes in recent years. And it doesn't seem like that many people criticize Israel or do something about it. Certainly not the biggest superpower in the world.

  • @OneEyedJack1970
    @OneEyedJack1970 13 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    @DoctorFJK I never thought you were serious.

  • @DoctorFJK
    @DoctorFJK 13 ปีที่แล้ว

    @AceofDlamonds I agree with that statement completely.

  • @dinokralt4
    @dinokralt4 14 ปีที่แล้ว

    @HardforJesus humanist movements is an extremely broad phrase. You could argue that the protestant reformation was a humanist movement. Various humanist movements are grounded on very different understandings of reality though. There is no verse in the bible that condemns intercourse with children, but to conclude that this entails that Christianity is not opposed to it is perhaps misguided logic. Faith in the gospels does provide the foundation for judeo-christian philosophy.

  • @doritela2008
    @doritela2008 13 ปีที่แล้ว

    @TheLogicalKey
    Israel has the highiest number of atheists per capita. Being Jewish doesnt mean being religious

  • @SatchmoSings
    @SatchmoSings 12 ปีที่แล้ว

    Okay, fair enough but only if you tell that to the Sunni-Muslim minority and all the Christians in Iraq, too.

  • @simsonyee
    @simsonyee 12 ปีที่แล้ว

    By the way there are many successful Jews of Morrocon descent living in Israel:
    Shlomo Ben-Ami - member of Labor party
    Amir Peretz - former Union leader, Minister of defense during Lebenon War 2006
    David Levy - former member of Likkud
    Meir Sheetrit - Member of Centrists party Kadima , Formerly of Likkud,
    Shiri Maimon - Pop star
    Reuven Abergel - founder of Israeli Black Panthers
    Shlomo Amar - Sephardi Chief Rabbi of Israel
    Aryeh Deri - Former Shas leader

  • @joqhernandez
    @joqhernandez 11 ปีที่แล้ว

    That is incorrect, I would call it a lie, but it is only a lie if you know the truth, which I have no way of knowing. But I can enlight you about the facts and hope you renew your research. The Nakba was seen as necessary, because no matter how you would slice up the region to make for an arab state and jewish one, the arabs would be in a majority. Therefor, the jews saw as their only option to displace the arabs, Nakba, to prevent any arab majority.

  • @OneEyedJack1970
    @OneEyedJack1970 13 ปีที่แล้ว

    @DoctorFJK "Wiping out an an entire group of people isn't overusing authority?"
    This is God we're talking about. Not some human agency.
    "If someone was robbing a bank and holding hostages, and the policeman in charge just blew up the whole bank, is that not overusing authority?"
    I'm afraid it would be more than just that.
    "Anyway, I must go for now because I'm exhausted, I'll answer the rest tomorrow. "
    Take a break, and think about some of the things that've been said.

  • @arjonnyp
    @arjonnyp 11 ปีที่แล้ว

    Spoken like someone who has never been to, lived in, or met anyone from Iraq.

  • @temptationofmemories
    @temptationofmemories 13 ปีที่แล้ว

    @haroos and leaders should be making a bigger effort to solve the problem, to stop hamas blowing things up, and also to stop Israel building on Palestinian land. But leaders are hesitant because it's an ugly problem when fused with religion of which there are two sides. Not acting means the neighboring countries get mad at you and offending Israel can label you as an anti-semite which is ridiculous just because you are against a countries policies or methods doesn't mean you hate them.

  • @DonRico333
    @DonRico333 12 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    i love it how finklestein looks at him with mere admiration

    • @marcelleratafia2360
      @marcelleratafia2360 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      i think you are wrong, the guy beside him is not finkelstein

    • @sv11y46
      @sv11y46 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      that’s not finkelstein lmfao the actual finkelstein despised hitchens

  • @dabomb1357
    @dabomb1357 12 ปีที่แล้ว

    It was nto by any means secular, it's only the most secular in the region because you had to compare to places like Iran.

  • @IsraeliPastafarian
    @IsraeliPastafarian 12 ปีที่แล้ว

    no... my parents were born here in Israel
    and 2 out of 4 of my grandparents were born here in Israel and are native.

  • @AceofDlamonds
    @AceofDlamonds 13 ปีที่แล้ว

    @DoctorFJK
    doctor you are missing the point!! Chrsitianity means NEW COVENANT with God. Basically we are not required to tithe, any of the old "instrusive" laws of the Iron-Age Jews, and are actually told to NOT murder or retaliate against an offender. I have told you the main reason behind much of ethnic and widespread violence but u ignore it: It doesn't matter your religion or creed, if your human interest exceeds that, you can spread bigotry any way. Look at Stalin. Look at Burmese.

  • @AceofDlamonds
    @AceofDlamonds 13 ปีที่แล้ว

    @DoctorFJK
    Exactly. That verse, which I was pretty certain you'd quote, is referring to the days of the Jews.They are not OPEN ENDED orders to kill other tribes. In addition to that, there is no NEED to take any land for the Jews, let alone the Christians. Xtianity is not a religion of conquest. There were conquistadors that spread their violence to the Americas, yes, sometimes in the name of religion, yes. Nowhere does Jesus advocate such violence: "turn the other cheek", "do onto others"?

  • @TheLogicalKey
    @TheLogicalKey 13 ปีที่แล้ว

    @doritela2008 Most people in sweden are atheists, it is traditionally a christian nation but now one of the most secular in the world.

  • @OneEyedJack1970
    @OneEyedJack1970 13 ปีที่แล้ว

    @DoctorFJK He spared Abraham's son. He didn't spare His own.

  • @Zopdoz
    @Zopdoz 12 ปีที่แล้ว

    Good question ! I'm asking myself the same question ?

  • @stlabido11
    @stlabido11 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    how to reach Hitch's level of comprehension ?
    Read, Read, Read.

    • @nad1ax2
      @nad1ax2 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Wrong. it's Read, Write, Write, Read, Write, Write.

    • @stlabido11
      @stlabido11 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      If you read well, you'll write well. if you read poorly, your writing will suck.

    • @nad1ax2
      @nad1ax2 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      ​@@stlabido11 that's arguably not true. Being an avid or enthusiastic reader by no means makes you a good writer

    • @stlabido11
      @stlabido11 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@nad1ax2 i see that you won't leave me alone, ok, its Read, Write, Write, Read, Write, Write.

  • @GOPsithlord
    @GOPsithlord 14 ปีที่แล้ว

    Ouch.

  • @stinger4712
    @stinger4712 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I'm beginning to suspect that perhaps this fellow didn't die. He was killed.🤔

  • @IsraeliPastafarian
    @IsraeliPastafarian 12 ปีที่แล้ว

    I'm an Israeli, i'm from the atheist left. I also know you MrJapaneseboy from other videos' comments section and I like the way you are battling cyber-Jihadists and terror-supporters :)

    • @dinuffin
      @dinuffin 2 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Do you count the IDF as a terror group?

  • @OneEyedJack1970
    @OneEyedJack1970 13 ปีที่แล้ว

    @DoctorFJK Have you asked your professor about context, yet? When you get around to it, why don't you run some of those quotes by him, and see what he says.