Xeno Reacts to Rich Clearing UCoB Ultimate Raid and the Drama Surrounding It (Final Fantasy 14)
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- Xeno Reacts to the mad people on Reddit and Twitter talking about Rich W. Campbell clearing an ultimate raid in Final Fantasy 14. He gives his take on Rich being carried and the difficulty of ultimate raids in general. He also explains why it will be much worse when Asmongold beats an ultimate raid.
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Yes, I believe being a popular streamer helped Rich get better support for that fight.
Do I care one way or the other? No.
Ect-fucking-xactly
These people dont have anything better to do in their lives, that the thought of someone getting the better treatment than them, even though ITS JUST A GAME, makes them foam in their mouth in rage.
Definitively streamer privilege.
A couple weeks after Asmongold joined and started doing the level 50 content min ilvl, one of my friends set out to do the alliance raids from 50, 60, and 70 at min ilvl, starting with Labyrinth.
After getting the word out to our fc and friends, we ended up with some 18-20 people ready to go half an hour before scheduled time, and we sat in pf, also shouting at regular intervals in the cities that people frequent, for close to 45 minutes before we were full.
Meanwhile, Zack gets a full group in like 2 seconds for everything he does, including Coils which is essentially barren at the best of times. We had a lot of fun doing the alliance raids though, and aside from Labyrinth they were all essentially a cakewalk, despite few of us knowing actual mechanics due to roulette zerging and many of us not playing the raids at release. Labyrinth took us a good hour and a half to clear, a lot of it was players just dying to random stuff due to ilvl. Had a DRK tank (well, all 3 really) get absolutely obliterated by Behemoth for instance, needing constant attention from 2 healers. The other raids were usually done 2 at a time in the 2 hour slot we had, often finishing early.
I ain't mad, it's great that they get to see this side of the game and community, though there are sure to be new players joining who want to do the same, and will get nowhere.
I'm legit looking forward to Zack trying Ultimate, though I wonder if he'll be able to clear one before Endwalker.
@Jay Bee ikr? streamer privilege is such a toxic thing to say. (Yes there are streamers who "got lucky" or only use their looks to be famous") but most of them. had to start from nothing. by waving their effort as "streamer privilege" means that they are de-valuing a lot of streamer's effort who started from nothing.
And yes, lots of negative stuff happens to streamers as well.
Also ozma mount was the perfect example. Great choice
@Jay Bee I mean BA you need at lest above 40 people to get a absolute clear and sometime you don't clear. That's why there are discord for that sort of stuff. You comparing cob to BA is ridiculous. Cob you need 8 and BA you can get up to 48 people. Why you comparing a ultimate to a Savage raid?
I'M FIRST AND I'M MADGE
I'm not first. MADGE
Boy I can't wait for Asmongold to clear shits gonna be a new calamity of epic proportions. Not even Bahamuts rage will compare to the salt that's gonna flow.
if asmon would move his ass on content lol
Just think of the memes tho.... going to be amazing!
you think people will mald when asmon clears? just wait for kronk clearing ucob, people will be seething
>Asmon clears an Ultimate
THE FINAL DAYS WERE UPON US
However Zack is 3 to 4 times the player Rich is. I feel there will be less actually from the people who actually know and care
I think the best way for asmon to clear his first ultimate would be to do it with the squad. Dom, sealion, sadge main, Swedish fish, anoobass.
Family
Now that’s a ducking dream team baby
Guess the Salty, toxic people who begrudge everything will still Cry about the fact That Dom has alot Ultimate clears
can't forget Void Bunny
Year later here, It's never gonna happen.
"People with anxiety will be hurt if you help a streamer get such an achievment". Well, that sounds like a "them problem"...
The only people salty about this are those who want a carry and those who gatekeep raiding because they want fast clean clears and feel that others getting legend makes their title feel less important.
@@marloncebo242 Actually, most are not. Maybe the ones you know, but the majority are not.
You know I'm kind of late to this reply but at the end of the day this is a game. If you have any anxiety over a game maybe you shouldn't be playing the game or doing the kind of content that gives you anxiety. But the real question is how bad do you want to clear? Obviously not that bad if those people are upset about this.
"He has an LGBT flag, don't talk shit!"
Wait, I can put a rainbow flag next to my name and be exempt from all criticism? Cool, I guess.
Yes. Welcome to the internet in 2021.
The person who said that wrote "LGTV flag" and yall actually getting madge lmao
@@antilarge7860 my friends that have the LGBT flag in their name or even Apex Legends have gotten doxxed and ddos solely on that but sure ''WeLComE to THe inTErNET''
@@caseynivans7885 Yeah but the person who said that in Xeno's vid was just baiting, theres a fine line between people being genuinely bullied to people using there sexual orientation as an excuse to get away with crap. Like you said "Welcome to the internet"
"Whats the worst thing that can happen? Its a pug, jump into another one." Fuckin A man. I appreciate the confidence boost...finally gonna learn mechs. Love the vids keep it up.
I gotta say, pugs do suck. You can hop from farm party to farm party and it takes a week to find a farm party that knows how to farm.
Point is, sticking with it and networking is what's important.
Can't clear e9s because I keep finding people who can't deal with brambles or phasers, but it's humbling knowing I was one of those people stuck on phase one prog and now I'm stuck on phase three prog.
Very generous of Xeno to assume these whiners were waiting for others to get the fight. I bet the majority either have never done it or, judging from their petty and negative attitude, were the weak link that made it painful.
mhm. these people are everywhere. i cant even prog Alpha 4.0 savage because there's always 1 in every group. just yesterday i was trying to prog the hello world phase and couldnt even bloody make it to the transition because there was always *one* who did not understand the numbers mechanic and wiped us repeatedly.
I mean if I prog and cleared can I judge him? from what you said I as long as I progged and cleared I can judge him tho.
@@TamotojiTukamo No. That's not at all what was said or implied.
Summary: people think rich is being carried and predicts asmons clear will be much more worse because they think asmon will have gotten carried harder
Asmon is hard carried through everything btw
@@Matt-np3wk sarcasm?
I mean if he plays as a tank there is no carry there you can die as a dps but you can't as a tank I mean not as much as a dps.
True, and I can see why though and not hate on the people too much, that special treatment to streamers is kinda fucked up compared to the things people went through to win. Sigh, if we getting carried though, they can at least have to make the unrealistic seasonal PVP gear WAY easier to get or in general.
@@TamotojiTukamo Yea, but he is literately told where to stand and when/where to move. Carried.
I'm literally just jealous because he's been playing for way less time than me and got the Ultimate clear anyway.
That being said, he streams games like this for a living and has the time and effort to put into practicing the fights, something I'm just not doing. So yeah, mad 'cause bad ig. I'm not super bothered tho since I'll eventually get around to it. It's just jealousy.
Mark my words, you will clear Ultimate yet soon, Brother.
@@CheeksMcgoo Thank you kind soul.
@@cobalt2220did you clear?
people are just salty in all aspects of there life lol
It's funny becauae if it was anyone else everyone would call it a carry, if it's a streamer all of a sudden it isn't, 7 clears helping 1 player with no experience has always been a carry in this community, nothing new lol. But anyway like xenos said, ucob is a joke now so it doesn't matter.
@Jay Bee comparing DRS and extreme to ultimate makes no sense to me to be fair, yes i would say yes to your questions but in that kind of content i really don't care, with the exception of some really good extremes, exs are very easy to begin with. Also rich didn't contribute to anything at all because they all had the clear, he did his part decently well and played good but you can't talk about cintribution in this case because the already knew the fight in and out all except rich, it's the difference between a full fresh group figuring stuff together and discussing mechs and 7 players tutoring 1 person, but again it's ucob so it is kind of an extreme now so i shouldn't look at it as i look at current content.
@Jay Bee You can't compare a bare-minimum DRS guidance to a hyper-specialized group of 7 people who are literal 100% parsers/week 1/world first/400+ ultimate kills gathering up together to ensure a smooth ride for Rich. The scale of difference is literally worldwide and does not apply to Rich's situation at all.
People really need to get over themselves when it comes to this trying deciding what is and isn't valid in this game.
I agree, people get upset because how early he finished it? Why does it matter, he enjoyed the content right? He completed it right? He felt like it was an achievement, he love it? That's what matters. Your love to the game is what matters, he did it right? Alot of people made this achievement. Alot of people who did this content make it longer themselves.... People just complain for no reason...
It's a FUCKING game get over it. He loved it and enjoyed it like I did, I DID NOT CARE HOW LONG IT TOOK
Would be better If there was a way to distinguish between the type of players who are clearing content like that day one compared to the people who come back a patch or two later and get carried by 7 people who already know the fight and have gear that's better than what was BiS when the content released.
unless ur a mentor. mentors suck ass
My definition of what is valid in any game of any kind. Did you use cheats? No. Did you see the boss die? Yes. Did you get the achievement if one is available? Yes. Congratulations, you had a valid run. That's how I look at it, how you get that valid clear is on you. This gate keeping stuff by tell poeple how the game is suppose to be played is just dumb and illogical. Regardless what you say on a person's clear of a game or content becomes opinion and opinion only. This gate keeping fails when the conditions above are met everytime. There is literally nothing you can do about that or say that will change that.
I personally don't care, my Kefka savage clear was done at level 80, with two FC members and four randoms. We got the achievement and the mount. We cleared and it is valid. If your upset how someone chooses to play a game and can't stand it. Well buddy live with it because you can't do anything about it. Get over your self and move on.
Holding streamers to an unrealistic standards is weird. Many people are in FC’s with strong/experienced players often get carried through hard content, and are often taught with callouts. My FC provides learning nights to our members for hard content. Which essentially similar to Rich getting their clear? A lot of people get carried through content. I think people just want to shit on Rich and no other reason. People just often have unhealthy relationships with streamers to begin with.
The vast vast vast majority of FCs do absouletly fucking not carry their members through current tier Savages/Ultimate. (At most Extreme learning nights maybe.)
Like I don't care if you do get fully carried, more power to you, but for as many people in fcs like that who will carry through Savages/Extremes, many many many many many many many many more are not.
(Not to mention a 7:1 carry is absouletly not the same experience as a 1:7 carry, or even a 4:4.)
@@saysay8920 Not sure what you're talking about, there's even Discords that do it for a grip of people publicly.
@@clonosfreid6658 A lot of people get carried through hard content. That much I agree with.
That doesn't mean that "many people" are in FCs with people capable (and willing) to carry others through hard content. FCs like that exist but you're underestimating the number of casual players in this game if you think FCs like that are common.
@@Jaxter0987 It's not just FC's. There's whole discords helping hundreds of players out every day.
It's not that uncommon, it's just having to do the work to find those people/discords.
I was triggered, but mostly because I’m jealous...
I am genuinely happy to see Rich succeed at it though!
I have to commend you for the honesty. Also for being positive about it.
This. I had to struggle for weeks waiting for my other teammates to learn mechanics that i'm done with before i can get some prog myself. Rich didn't have any of that. All he had to do was prog by himself coz the other 7 ppl he had were veterans.
But life isn't fair and we all can't do anything about it.
Gratz on rich for the clear tho, seeing him do mechanics was pog ngl.
@@janikz211 real mature stuff. love it. life isn't fair but it is what it is.
@Xeno, I think you even mentioned, in Allcraft, that people were going to be malding and butt hurt... The saltiness/bitchassness, of the people gatekeeping, is just sad.
I've heard so many comments about how the "casuals" are butt hurt about this and as a filthy casual no we don't care. Casuals either don't know, or do know but don't care. Honestly the only people who care about this shit are the wanna be raiders, who make up a small minority of the raiders, much less the community.
Casual/newb here and indeed I don't give a fuck. Going into semantics over what a carry is or not is idiots controlling the conversation. It doesn't matter whether he got carried. Like who gives a fuck.
Facts. People terribly overestimate the true casual audience of FFXIV. The True Casual does not follow anything FFXIV related outside of the game. They play for a couple hours 2 or 3 nights a week after work/school MAXIMUM. They don't follow anything outside the game because they couldn't imagine caring about a game that much. It's just passive entertainment. Even people who refer to themselves as casuals, really ain't. That's too much self awareness haha. We're all a hardcore fan just by being in a video like this and typing. Hardcore psycho-freak fanboys compared to the True Casual. The casual audience fretting on reddit about a twitch streamer clearing Ultimate? KEKW THEY DONT EVEN HAVE ACCOUNTS
There's a way better word than casuals for people who are too serious to be called a casual, but too shitty to try to be hardcore. It's called being a goddamn scrub.
Watching Rich almost rip that LB off his hotbar makes me so glad i lock my shit.
"any way you can die in ucob it happened"
so in quickmarch i wanted to know if i can anti knockback the dash because sometimes i got hit by it as a tank because i left the group too much space. Anti knockback gets you one-hit-ko'd
Asmongold said it best, “Most mmo players are bad at video games”. I can see why they get butt-hurt when someone beats their super hard game
You put any mmo player in an FPS or moba and they’ll be crying about balance rather than their aim or game sense
@@noahleach7690 couldn’t have said it any better. FPS or a 2D fighter. Whatever an mmo teaches u can barely be applied to other games. Mmos main lesson are to grind. But other games teach u skill. If u don’t have skill ur assed out. No other choice. Not tryna shit on the skill of some mmo players like Xeno, which is why people like him with his mindset are not the majority
@@ocruz9797 This is unironically true. As someone who started playing ffxiv recently and has mostly played competitive games for decades, 99.9% of the content I've done so far is at most mildly challenging, yet I find plenty of people can't even do a rotation lol.
My Ucob experience was real bad when it first came out, it destroyed my group of friends ngl. We disbanded just due to some people taking it too seriously and some not taking it seriously enough. UWU and TEA weren't nearly as bad however and now I'm reprogging UCOB with my new group and it's so much of a breeze now. So I get where a lot of these people are coming from, but I don't agree with them at all. Even with 7 knowledgeable people, it is still difficult. And this is way more enjoyable to watch than a team of 8 fresh people dying to twintania and nael for an entire stream.
some people obviously take it too far getting mad for no reason but the other end of the spectrum is almost as bad, jumping through hoops on the definition of a carry.
@@spectre722 I would classify it as a carry in terms of him being rescued while doing mechanics wrong and also their level of call-outs getting rid of any sense of learning/ adapting. But I think for a streamer its much more important that it's entertaining than anything else, and I found it entertaining personally.
Old content with higher accessible gear and stats than when the content first came out. It was bound to get easier over time, especially with more people knowing the fight. I don't know why it's so surprising to the bitter players in the FFXIV community. Plus you're dealing with raiders from high-end WoW and whatever previous MMORPGs they've played in the past. For many of you, this FFXIV is your one and only MMORPG. For others, they've been raiding in games for the last 25+ years. They can come into a game like this, identify mechanics on the spot, memorize patterns, and be done in a fraction of the time it took you when it was your first MMO, first Ultimate, first ever challenging thing you ever did in a game in your life.
People just need to learn to accept there's better players out there. Also it's weird how they judge getting through raids by how long it takes or who's shotcalling. That's not how you judge a good raider. A good raider's always been judged in games by how fast they adapt to mechanics when instructed or how fast they get the world first ever kill. The world first kills are the only blind runs that ever matter. After that, everyone watches them, studies them, learns what they can, and now have a leg up. But it doesn't really diminish the personal achievement of someone clearing after that, because the individual player still needs to be skilled on a micro level to get it done for themselves. Being instructed is kind of a given at this point. Even as a sprout, I have to instruct Alliance Raids constantly on how to clear shit like WOD in as few words as possible while covering only the most important aspects. If the group is full of good players, they'll usually kill that encounter easily next attempt. If they're bad, they'll wipe 3 more times before getting it. Or sometimes they'll wipe a bunch because a bunch of idiots are trying to explain over my explanation but typing it out in paragraphs which no one's going to digest 10 seconds before a pull. So there's even skill involved in being a shotcaller. People manage to suck at that too in this game LOL.
i can see the point of getting "carried" when you are doing the fight unsynced. but all ultimates CANNOT be unsynced. yes, the weapons is synced down to BiS, but that will mostly help on dps checks. mechanics will still fuck you over. you still need to do your OWN part in the fight.
it baffles me how people think that he is getting carried.
and even if he did, WHO THE FUCK CARES??
some people just have too much damn time on their lives to be jealous of a VIRTUAL MILESTONE that someone else achieved.
I would absolutely watch a team of a streamer and their friends blind prog hard fights. I'd even say its more entertaining this way, assuming the streamer themselves were entertaining in the first place. But you and Xeno are also right in that this was a different kind of entertaining.
Can't believe people even care 😂😂
Keep up the great content Xeno
"Just wait til Asmon clears"
Lol. Lmao
I've seen bad players. I'm talking 530 BLM doing 10k dps in 80 content and getting hit by everything. How they managed to get 530 gear and their relic, we'll never know, but probably RPing as the floor. Rich isn't a bad player. He's not good either, but he's good enough to clear UCoB, and that says a lot about UCoB.
Hey now, today's players are different from when it was released. General fight knowledge and gear progression makes it seem like it's easy but it wasn't on release. For example there is shit you can simply heal though and deaths don't automatically kill a run. Dying in Nael was enough to be a reset for most groups. Today, you can easily recover.
530 gear is super easy to get. It's just tomes. Random casual player can just do their daily expert roulette and weekly Nier raid (not even weekly now since I think the coin lockout is gone) and get full 530 tome gear. And Relic is just a basic grind. You see plenty of bad players in Bozja. PLENTY. It's still easy enough to limp your way through Castrum, Delebrum and Dalriada.
I'm still in pain over the BLM I saw the other day go Flare > Flare > Freeze and repeat on a single target fight. Or the "ice" BLM I saw during ShB MSQ dungeons who only casted ice spells. People are horrendously bad at the game but gearing to the latest ilvl is not difficult.
@@piper67890able Sure, I'm referring to how easy it's become. I think Rich will struggle a lot in TEA because it hasn't quite been nerfed as hard as the other two, and I think he would struggle in min ilvl savage prog in eden on a few fights where dps checks are pretty tight. He's not an idiot though, so if he sits down and puts in the effort to learn how to perform while doing mechanics, I think he can do all the content, he's just not there yet.
He did get Carried. That's a fact. Do people should care? no. Should people be mad at him for saying content is easy when he got his ass carried? Yes.
Havent watched a single stream from Rich. A handful from asmond tho. Was he actually carried? Maybe. Maybe not. Does that even matter? Nah. People need to stop being negative against anyone clearing stuff easier/faster/ less toxic than them. With all the tones of good things this community offers, and i could tell a bunch of positive stories, but this is clearly the dark side of ff14. Stop being jealous people. Its a freaking videogame. And we crying over PVE content
I understand the guy frustrated with scheduling/comps. It's been a massive struggle for the entire game for me, and when I did manage to get half a static, they all quit the game. However, I still don't get shitting on Rich. I'd take the chance in a heartbeat to play with some of those guys, even if chat was a wall of omegaluls.
I think the problem is you cant really compare getting help from world firsts to getting help from pf. I think thats why people are pissed.
That's really what it comes down to.
I'd also add his abysmal DPS, more than anything else. If his entire party performed at his percentile, he would never have cleared.
Ultimate and harder content in general isn't only knowing fight-specific mechanics, it's knowing the game and your job, too.
@@yapparichuuni the question is, if he had joined one of those clear for 1 parties in pf, would he still had cleared in 4 days?
He 100% got carried because he’s a streamer. End of story. He is trash at his rotations, and did horrible DPS.
@@Novariest it really doesnt, just saying the reason why i think people are madge
"you have to be a streamer to find good players". Dannnm I hope no one saying that is in an fc. That's some massive shade on their fellow members. Lol
That's honestly not true. Having a combination of decent personality, well connected friend(s), decent luck, and actually socialize while putting decent effort on your own gaming skill can help getting yourself good players to be your teammate. Those players may not be well known youtuber, or streamer, or something, but the fact that they're good at the game does not change.
Four different times, three different games. One of the game was a same title but played on different period and different servers. Either because a friend/guildmate forwarded me, accidental applying when the guild was still growing, etc, I tended to end up on mid-high tier guilds/alliance (or whatever the game calls their version of it) that regularly clear end game contents or win server wide guild war. Sometimes, becoming an officer of said guilds just because I regularly socialize with other members and actually put some amount of effort to be good at the game.
Tldr, be a decent person and put some effort if you want a good teammate. You dont have to be streamer to have that.
And oh, socialize?
@@spearsage I think you may have missed the point of my comment.
@@spearsage my point was if someone says that, they are insulting any friends or fc members they already have.
Bruh FCs don't do shit in this game with endgame content for the most part
Anytime i start to feel mad i just remind myself that i cleared a3s before it was nerfed into the ground. And it sounds like that version of a3s is harder than ucob
I believe the before-nerfed a3s and a4s were much harder than UCoB and UWU in ShB
I think the misconception about ultimate's being hard is how the mechanics are 'rapid' fired for 17 minutes straight. Take TEA for instance and the first 2 minutes and 30 seconds you are literally doing something every second of the fight. You finish one mechanic and the next pops up. Doing an Ultimate and then going into a Savage there is definitely a difference in the pace of the fight. Take for instance P1s where the tank buster is literally a cast bar and you can pre-position to take the hit as to where in an Ultimate you have to already be in the position before it even happens. Not sure if Rapid Fire is the correct term to use here, but its basically just a faster dance that is just long and willing to give you arthritis in your later years in life.
idk about all that. You mention LL is very fast paced. Not really, its just untelegraphed. BJCC is the same. AP and PA are rather slow af. And they also have castbar for their tbs. Not all of savage has a castbar. There's only one fast paced ultimate and that's UWU. It is true that the snapshots are faster in ultimate but that's it.
Definitely a difference, but tbh, some savage mechanics are harder than some ultimate mechanics.
I did clear all 3. I prefer uwu of the 3 bc its fast paced. I like ucob the least because I feel it's the slowest and it's a bit too long (yet I keep going back in there fml lol)
@@delsingray5923 The definition of masochism at its finest. I don't think the Ultimate's are hard.. Just very time consuming, and I like my wrist intact. I'll probably do Dragonsong War when it comes as HW has some of my most favorite trials.
I dont understand how people can be upset. That's loser mentatlity.
People are so salty lmao
Yeah I took 2 weeks to clear Diamond Weapon EX cause I m so shit at playing dragoon but my dude do it in 3 days.
Some people just gonna have a great group and some gonna ended up with me. Some people know how to social online and some people dont, are you really gonna blame the more socially people just because they can talk well?
People forgot the hardest part of doing this type of content is finding the group itself and Rich just have the advantage of it cause he is a streamer and I supposed we can all agree with that. He just use what he have, is it that wrong? Its only illegal if he buying clear using real money cause Square Enix is so sensitive with RMT.
I m not simping for him or what not but stop being so salty cause you cant change the fact he did clear it even if he have 7 Perfect Legend in the party.
Social skills and networking are part of the skillset involved in being a good raider in any MMO.
No joke lol
Yeah, true
Absolutely. Problem solving and mechanical skill are obviously important, but communicating with your team, coordinating a comfortable schedule and being respectful individuals is really what gets people through the hardest content in the game. It's not a solo game, if your members are passive aggressive or keep falling behind schedule, the static doesn't work in the first place.
Wait people are mad because Rich got carried in UCoB? Well thats a way to waste your energy xDDDD
He was clearly carried. Being mad about it is dumb because Rich being carried effects literally nobody. But it was a carry, and hand waving it is just a transparent attempt to buddy up with the mega popular new streamers lol.
The anxiety excuse is ridiculous. I get medicated for an anxiety disorder, and that person trying to gatekeep using mental health as an excuse is gross. You could make the argument that games like MMO's are generally rough on people with anxiety disorders, but there's the other side of the coin where people with social anxiety have a lot of that anxiety relieved by interacting through an avatar. It's way more nuanced than whatever trash they're saying. I swear, anxiety is the first thing people jump to nowadays when anxiety is literally an emotional response most organisms in the Animal kingdom experience. It's actually normal to experience it, and it's becoming indistinguishable when someone says "I have anxiety" if they really are talking about an anxiety disorder or just complaining about experiencing normal, expected anxiety.
Whatever the case, saying someone who has people willing to help them clear a fight is shitting on people with anxiety is just wrong. You can't just say that stuff like it's a fact without some kind of explanation of how that conclusion was reached. People in PF who are unwilling to tolerate people with anxiety are shitting on people with anxiety, not someone playing the game for people's entertainment. They're just mad they paid for someone to clear for them, and Rich got paid to clear the fight.
Agreed. Hate people who use anxiety as some catch all excuse. Ive been diagnosed with clinical anxiety for over 10 years now back when I was a teenager. I always found it much easier to socialize on MMOs than in real life thanks to that disconnect from it not being face to face. I've been a raid lead and I've mained healer since 2.0. These people who claim they're bad because of anxiety are just straight up bad and hiding behind a convenient mental health issue. We are also living an age where feeling a bit nervous before a speech or something is now blown out of proportion and made into an anxiety disorder. No idiot you're just nervous and that's normal.
@@shinon748 You say "Hate people who use anxiety as some catch all excuse" & "No idiot you're just nervous and that's normal.".... Shall we all list which anxiety disorders we have and which medication we're on and then assume because of our actions, others should feel and behave as we would in spite of various conditions? If you genuinely believe that, then that is an additional mental health disorder which you should probably research (PDs). Be nice to people and empathise where you are able, sympathise when not and educate yourself if in doubt. Regardless, being nice is always a pretty good start.
@@inCoderz bold of you to assume I'm not empathic to anxious people considering like I said in my post I have clinical anxiety myself. There is a distinct different between anxiety and feeling anxious. Feeling butterflies in your stomach before giving a big presentation or performance is not anxiety. That's just feeling nervous which happens to everyone. An anxious person does stuff that seems irrational to avoid doing something they aren't comfortable doing. Pretend to be sick, conveniently forget about an appointment, ghost on an appointment, etc. They also have bad nervous ticks that can be self destructive I would chew on my knuckles until my skin was raw and practically bleeding. But like I said we live right now in a world where the first example of butterflies in our stomach is seen as anxiety instead of just feeling nervous. No one likes giving a public speech or performing in front of people but it's hardly an anxiety disorder. If it where everyone in the world would be taking medications for it which they obviously aren't. Does anxiety hit people differently? Yea. Do some people confused feeling nervous with anxiety disorder yes and it's those I can't stand.
@@inCoderz Nah, don't have to do that. But if someone is running around claiming that someone else succeeding at an Ultimate is actually ableist against people with anxiety disorders then I'm gonna make sure they feel shitty for perpetuating that BS. Especially when one of the people in the group that helped clear is noted to have pretty intense social anxiety.
But congrats Madge Clap
I wish pf would look like this today
Considering I cleared Ucob in nothing but PFs within 2 weeks, it really isn't a hard amount of content. Rich is an entertainer so i didnt expect him to prog it like everyone else. But there was some things that were kinda lame like getting rescued into safe spots and stuff cause he was the only one who didn't know or was doing it wrong. Would have been sweet to see him get fucked up learn and body them out.
I will try to do the same, how did you went about learning it? did you memorized all the mechanics by reading/watching guides and went there to just practice them all, or you memorized like half of the fight and went to prog parties to practice? do you have any tips for me that want to do the same?
@@waltwhite8126 It was a mixture of Clee's guide and just getting in there and doing it myself. I also watched Xeno's Ucob clear. Watch a pov clear of someone using your same job then jump right in there and practice up.
real and true. if people think ultimate is hard because of mechanic they need to play a lot more cause they suck. the hardest part is looking for people that commit to clear the fight.
@@wyzkun Commitment isn't what matters. I've played with numerous personalities who are committed but too much of a garbage to reach the goal. Hardest part is to get teammates of similar skill level. If you are better than the others, then they drag you down. Get a teammates who are better than you and you are the anchor.
@@xaarxyc well yeah that too. i just give people the benefit of the doubt. people could learn along the fight
Want to do Ultimate? For NA at least, here are the discords:
Ultimate Recruiting: discord.gg/rcVpJhQ
Aether Ultimate Pug: discord.gg/KwR9R6TYjV
UPR (Primal Pug): discord.gg/vwG3rhj
Ultimate Crystal Raiding: discord.gg/pyn8GUx9XT
When Asmongold clears these fights, Yoshi P will be forced to insert a new calamity in game due to ppl getting mad. Honestly, just let ppl enjoy the game and you do yours.
People always get MAD A/F whenever someone clicks a spell loool
The reality? Many of these people take this game way too seriously.
I can only see one person who is butthurt.
They all got butthurt over the easiest ultimate clears that are pretty braindead at current power creep and class balance
I pugged pretty much all content up to the end of storm blood. It's not that hard like at all
Virtual Signal :D
How dare he >:(
Only reason it takes that long (months) is people like me and my friends that work. Working night shifts and hospital shifts make scheduling hard. So my TEA group can only get together for 2 2 hour days (4 hours a week) that's when it takes months. We are progressing wormhole now after 4 months. (Had 1 month off in there for group life stuff)
If you got the time to get 8 people to cram it all day then why not? Makes it more fun to watch. Don't know why people are mad at him.
How’d the prog going?
We just cleared tea Saturday. Totally agree with you’re point. We were able to get a schedule of 3 days 3 hrs. Of course we missed some time due to real life but felt good to clear.
@@xbree_ good! Just getting to J waves and still cleaning up nuances of worm hole :)
What are they trying to get at in the meme when they say "CLEAR FOR 1 ULTIMATES, THOSE ALWAYS HAPPEN, RIGHT?"
Besides the one dude on Twitter. Who are these mad people?
Here's the thing 7 people telling him what to do the entire time is getting carried. It was to a point where he was being told exactly where to stand. People are salty since he didn't have to actually learn the fights or struggle though them. And to hear those guys after going to say that content is super easy when world 1st groups took time to clear it is what people are actually salty about. To say it shouldn't be put on a pedestal when it's one of the more challenging aspects to raiding when compared to savage raiding just flat out doesn't make sense and cannot grasp that from the average raiders perspective. And to say anyone can learn the fight yes they can but will they all have 7 raiders to spoon feed where to stand and what to do every single mechanic nope so it's obvious there will be salt there. And that isn't the full raid experience at least not for most people unless they pay for it. Nor should it be the experience of raiding. I'm not mad he got his clear but I would want to say I earned it by learning mechanics on my own instead of being told where to stand and what to do every step of the way.
I don't care if you're freaking cheating. Watching it was freaking entertaining the drama of this topic freaking entertaining so I will accept both thank you.
Option 1: Run UCoB blind and spend weeks/months of streaming working on a clear and probably start hating the fight or the game along the way, or...
Option 2: Get a competent group together and focus on your own part for 4 days showing personal progress with a satisfying conclusion.
Personally I felt option 2 made for a much better stream, but some people are masochists I guess.
i completed uwu on pug and took me 2 weeks, now i'm progging ucob and 2 weeks in i'm already at octet/adds+, always have that stupid fucker that can't carry his own weight or wipe to the same mechanic 10 times and don't learn shit
Bro tbh on EU Chaos there’s not even 1/5 of the Pf up for ucob like in NA unfortunately. I hope there will be a dedicated group or discords to help people clear it soon. All the ppl is on NA it seems
Not in PF but there are many statics being formed for Ultimates, just check ERC.
@@xaarxyc ERC?
People are mad because they realyze how poorly they perform compared to neck beard streamer. Pathetic.
Edit: Your beard can get my sub.
The thing is your right ucob isn't that hard. None of them are that hard anymore. You have to admit though he ran with some of the best players in the game. The average new sprout will not have a similar experience to Rich, so it does kind of set an unrealistic expectation of the real difficultly of the fight.
Bro if you're a sprout and you're feeling entitled to a UCOB clear, that's not a very realistic expectation of what an average sprout would fucking do lmao
@@ryudhal shit all I want from sprouts nowadays is for them to use a fundamental ability to their job. I love getting sprout dancers that don't used closed position....
They're mad about Rich's streamer privilege. That's all it is, and I get it, but who the fuck cares? People enjoy the game differently than you. Don't tell others how to enjoy their playtime. If they are actually affecting your playtime, that's different, but Rich clearing UCOB with a bunch of experienced players, doesn't harm anyone else in any way. Stop being gatekeepers. That's the type of behavior I would expect from WoW's community, not here in FFXIV.
Rich? Ucob? Carried? Streamer privilege? Madge
I just can't belive that people can be malding about fucking RAID CLEAR. It's not PvP, it's not competetive, it's literally chill content but somehow people find it basically insulting. Get a fucking life.
People that have anxiety playing a multiplayer game where you're anonymous need to actually go out and socialize in real life because it shows that you have more important problems than clearing some content in a game. some people need to touch some grass.
Mad? No. But I am slightly
disappointed that we can't see he doing it without a clue.
I remember how fun and fulfillment when my whole team cleared our first ultimate fight together.
so you like watching people died to twister for 50 times? idk about you but I certainly don't.
@@vanillasky2 I mean not like 50 times but I pretty enjoying watching that kind of stuff, at least watching my roommate accidentally killed the jagdoll in TEA is funny.
one thing i don't understand, how is having a good group a bad thing? never played FF14 but i played many MMO's, and raids were a guild thing with pre-set groups and for bigger raids we just took some LFG people if we needed. i would never do full LFG raid of 15 and more people :D
It's basically people mad that they didn't get the group, feeling they're losing out. Which is ridiculous as FF14 has enough players (helpful, even) that it's not a zero sum game. They should just grow the fuck up
@@SephonDK You're asking a lot for the general audience of the game to grow up, you know. :)
You're also absolutely right, there are SO many Discords, forums and the like to help people out with their clears, I'm super amazed that people HAVEN'T cleared it yet. I keep hearing that DRS is supposed to be one of the harder contents of the game and I've ran with 3 fresh groups that can almost clear it within a week.
Anxiety? The people helping out don't even require you to talk and don't ridicule you for any mistakes.
I honestly don't get why so many people are mad, like you see people crying about "streamer privilege" it's like yes, he does have a privilege that most of us don't but it's not like he just instantly became a streamer and was automatically good, he worked hard to become a streamer that people want to watch, if I started streaming tomorrow I ain't suddenly going to have this magical privilege that some people seem to think streamers get automatically. I get the feeling these kinds of people are the type who cry that streamers have a completely different MSQ experience because they have built a fanbase who want to interact with them and thus their MSQ experience doesn't count (yes I have talked to a few people like this and it's like arguing with a brick wall)
Why can't people mind their own? So what .. someone you'll never meet cleared something and you didn't. Get off your bum and get a grp if it bothers you that much. Heck I'd love to clear everything in the game. But my FC isn't into anything really above savage and most of us don't have the free time to put in more than a day or two a week.
(Also being on Crystal so not like anyone over here is super hard core anyway).
Sure being a streamer makes it easier to get a group together I'm sure.. At the same time I'm sure not all of those players they group with or end up grouped with are all star players either. Go out and do something in the community if you want the 'ease' that comes with the fame. /shrug
It is totally stupid to talk shit about streamers clearing an ultimate. However i see why some people would dislike it. Obviously I don’t know much about the game since i have been playing only for two months, but finding people who you can play with is hard tbh. So i can see why people would be mad if a streamer would clear in 4 days. It is stupid to talk shit about them. But i can see why.
progging O4S in order to unlock UCoB nowadays is kinda stupid, you unsync this bitch and burst it to unlock ultimate.
If you want to climb a wall, you go to the wall and climb it, you do not go into a hedge maze if you wanna climb a wall.
Most of these people seem like they're the ones understanding mechanics last in their groups. They're the ones saying they suffer in every group and it's always someone else's fault.
I don't like Rich, but I could care less if a streamer cleared some high end content or not...I mean, who gives a fuck, really? I bet the ones complaining don't even watch the guy.
i play on crystal, and it took me forever to get a full pt of people willing to prog anything, a whole day just so i could do e4s and prog mini phase and what, 3 wipes and it disbanded, if anyone joins my pf and help me prog, explain strategy, and help me clear… fuck yea, ill do it.. i dont even give a shit if they are mentor with 2 bans, i just dont care if their mothers die that morning, just stay and prog… just just stay
Even if Rich cleared the fight with 7sprouts that trolled hard, people will still say Rich got carried.
I got only mad because i rememberd how i wastet 2 month witch my first ucob group for nael memes. Its normal that he got a privilege becaus he is a Streamer. Give i a fuck? No. I understand that a lot of ppl are mad because you need a lot of time and luck until you found the rigth players and you waist a lot of time but there is no point to be mad there are a lot ppl who for examble bouth there kills and you coud say im mad because they have money. So the point is its dont change an anything how Person xy got his kills, do you thing have fun with the game and ignore it if you get mad dont watch it.
Imagine having this few braincells and making it to adulthood.. Impressive in its own right.
Gold comment here
people with "anxiety" are self righteous people, who think too highly of themselves, and cant bare the notion of them sucking at the game and failing mechanics and embarrassing themselves because they should be so much better, that's why they also get salty when rich cleared it. because they think themselves so much better then rich. like nah, you are just a nobody that nobody cares, get a reality check and you will get no anxiety of this sort and learn the mechanics like everybody else from the start
How many of these people whining are Assmanchild fanboys upset that Rich did something first? I honestly truly wonder.
Why do grown ass men care and why do other grown ass men care that they care? FF is weird.
Truth is, Ultimate isn't as hard as it used to be, despite the level sync, 510 food doesn't have a cap so we can worry about mechanics more than perfect damage. If you're fine with mechanics and teamwork you can do it! There are plenty of practice statics allowing any PUG to join these days on many servers, being a streamer changes nothing for our community, clearing savage is proof enough they are ready.
this is exactly how I cleared innocence savage on release in one try with my friend who told me what to do, it was fun and not stressful.
Ya mean extreme?
@@ebtheartist3843 thanks for the correction I don't like editing my comments so I kept it as it is.
Did he get carried? Probably not.
If he did;
WHO THE FUCK CARES
Im a wow refugee. And i can see that the wow community already started to ruining this game xD drama drama drama and endless malding. This community is cursed man. Sorry
I love the fact that the twitter guy kinggalaxia deleted his twitter LMAO
I am Madge Rich carry 7 other players get UCOB ,how this is allow ?Rich is so amazing that he put effort to carry the other streamers Madge, props for other streamers for learning their part was amazing team work ,I loved Rich how he was so calm during all Prog is not easy since not even 25% of people plays FFXIV has UCOB clear and he just was a Legend !!
Why do people care so much if he got carried or not why must you ask people to suffer the way you do. what a boomer. Is just a game so enjoy it if clear it or not it's part of the process.
EU Light barely has 2-3 70 Ultimate PFs open... Sadge.
Why the fuck do people expect famous streamers to get same treatments as average players, especially in a co-op context?
God, the amount of salt that will be mined when Asmon clears.
*Chef's Kiss*
Enough salt to supply 10 more seasons of Hells Kitchen
Enough to Shame the diadem itself...
Enough to beat The Lochs
Idk why are people mad at Rich until now. As a viewer I'm happy that he cleared UCoB. Rich bought a class boost for Mechanist, just to experience boosting. Most of the chat don't agree but, majority of the chat agreed since it's his alt job. Rich told the chat since, there is a new game+ he will read the dialogues of the job class. He planned either to use Summoner or Mechanist but, he chose the latter. Originally (if people forgot) the overall party was 6 clear players & 2 new which is Rich, and Gremlo, but Gremlo had an electricity problem on the 1st day at around 10 to 11hr mark iirc so, they switched Gremlo to Sfia at the 2nd day of prog. I want to see both Rich and Gremlo prog TEA soon
Can't believe that these cringelords exist. lmfao🤣
Lol people so used to having terrible raid leadership in a game where you cant even tell someone they are doing poorly.
Asmongold's would be better because of family :P
I can't speak for Aether like xenos can, but in Primal it takes me 3 hours to get a prog started for TEA. Maybe its much much easier for UCOB/UWU but that's all.
"just wait until Asmon clears"
That makes me sad.
I really like you but man is your opinion all over the place. But then again it is your opinion so I don't know what I expected. No anger or salt here. I'm still watching your content in the future.
He did the mechanics
He listened to the callouts
He succeeded
In pure "Black Desert" fashion:
"Stay mad" *spits*
They did it for more views (Rin and happy) and all the smaller streamers suck up to the bigger ones to grow their own stream but yea it is what it is get over it lol Rich is SUPER fun to batch but the fact of the matter is they called out so much I could do this fight blind if I had someone like that doing call-outs.
You'd be surprised at how many people can't do even DRS blind with all the mechanics explained and callouts to absolutely everything. If you can do it, I don't think that absolutely everyone else can.
Either way, it's content and he enjoyed it. He's praising the game for it. Why is it leaving any bad taste in anyone's mouths when it's good publicity for the game?
Xeno has a point of the average player not being good and that can be daunting when it comes to these types of raids, but I think people also forget the fact that Rich, Asmon, etc. all play games--especially MMO's like WoW, which FFXIV is based off of--for a living. I'm sure that skill does translate over.
Asmon, Rich and all these famous Wow players are bringing life back to 14 imo. every1 knows these months leading up to new xpansion is downtime for us whre no1 is doing anything. but now u see Twitch streams are popular, ppl are doing more on the dead contents like potd/old raids and their streams are mostly entertaining.
All this means is the debate of which game is harder is over. Rich was a giga casual, sucked ass and was way below average in WoW skillwise. He cleared 1 of the 3 hardest Raids in FFXIV so if someone as trash as him can clear the hardest content the game has to offer then the game does not offer any difficult content. If you end up saying he got carried then that is a whole different thing but if anyone says he cleared it because he is a good player they either admit the game is easy or are in absolute denial of him being carried if Ultimate raids are hard.
Yea people just gunna cry. That's the story.
I do think Rich got semi-carried. Mostly due to the sheer number of callouts he got mid fight. But on the other hand, doesn't mean he didn't do well, doing prog fully blind would be some dogshit content. And most importantly, IT DOESN"T MATTER.
What a sad bunch of people. No really, they are mad sad.