Magnet Motor concept and How magnetic shielding works
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- this magnet motor concept came from other videos i have seen youtube...i only explain the way one type of material will work for magnetic shielding, although there are more ways to shield magnets.
I believe in free energy....although if this magnet motor were to work I wouldn't consider it perpetual motion because magnets don't work forever..(only about 100 to 400 years..depending on the manufacturer)
neodymium magnets will not necessarily wear out faster if they are in a constant repulsion mode.
This is a very nice video and is actually is a representation of something I tried years ago with the same dual rotor system. It did not work because the magnets could never pull away from the iron shielding because the attraction force at the end of the shielding was greater than the force exerted by the repulsion magnets that had bypassed the shielding when I spun it. It eventually slowed down and stopped. Encourage people to keep trying tho.
:)) u can use a continues shield for even forces.....the positions will be......strategic....have to make only a gap somewhere....problem solved but just to appear another..... and another......
Very well done! No miraculous claims. No hyperbole. Just simple evidence of the information offered! KUDOS! I wish more would follow this kind of thing!
The cool of seeking something said impossible is that we always find some interesting concepts on the path :) ... keep looking, always.
This is an ingenious way to build a novelty "perpetual motion" mechanism... Just always remember that the "perpetual" part will inevitably slow down in the end, and trying to pull usable energy out of that motion will only slow it down and stop it much sooner.
Magnetism and gravity can be pushed around, but Thermodynamics cannot ever be cheated.
i'm really thinking hard what's wrong about this. if this would work you'd basicly have a free energy generator. which should be a mechanical imposibility. i've just read a comment radically improving my understanding of magnets, but still i can't see what's wrong about this theroy. really drives me to go and build this to see if it works :p
The wrong part is that magnet shields do not exists, well they do "exist", kind of, but they doesn't work like the video is pretending to.
It's like saying that a slant or a table is a gravity shield.
I don't understand what is so hard in the concept that a magnet do not produce any energy. It's just an energy field, like gravity. The total amount of energy in the field is 0, so you cannot extract any energy from it.
The terms "free energy" and "generator" are problematic in discussions like this one regarding "over unity" devices. Free energy is a term used in thermodynamics to denote a rigorously defined property of specified thermodynamic systems. One may speak of the free energy of system A or system B. In general, this has nothing to do with getting more energy out of some system than one puts into it, nor getting energy for free. Generator can also be a confusing term, since what we commonly refer to as generators do not generate energy but merely convert it from one form to another. If the law of conservation of energy is true, energy can not be generated, only converted from matter or other forms of energy. Something a device can do in addition to converting energy from one form to another is to collect energy. A water wheel and a wind mill both collect kinetic energy without the need to input energy and can be considered over "unity" in a sense. Any other over unity device would have to be some kind of energy collector as well if the first law of thermodynamics holds true.
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I'm Sorry
What about Electric Generators do when with load on Electric generator we give force...
When we give force to Electric gen that Electric gen will give force reaction back
So we talk about action force and reaction force
The question is that posible to eliminate the reaction force
For the doubters out there....Explain to me why this would not work? This is the "magnetic gate" to the missing puzzle. How is what is happening here different than what actually happens in a conventional electric motor that turns the field on and off...while the magnet motor discussed in the video does essentially the same thing by neutralizing the or better yet balancing out the magnet forces to "zero" at the precise time this needs to happen. This is brilliant!
You will never get anywhere until you understand what you are working with. You are not demonstrating magnetic shielding. You are demonstrating that magnets are attracted to iron. You are not alone, most everyone on TH-cam is claiming magnetic shielding and they are just as wrong. Your motor idea looks good on paper but it will not work. I would encourage you to build it so you will get a better understanding of magnetics. If you want to demonstrate "shielding" then shield against a piece of iron, not another magnet. If you can prevent a magnet from being attracted to iron, then you will have demonstrated shielding. Don't get me wrong, I am not trying to be discouraging, just pointing you in the right direction. Most importantly always think for yourself.
You coat the iron with three layers of Mu Metal. Problem solved, flux diverted
@@excelsior8682 hi, sorry what is Mu Metal ?
Que aislante magnético se puede utilizar?
@@excelsior8682 el mu metal está comercializado se puede comprar fácilmente?
We need more people like you attempting the suposedly impossible. Keep it up man.
So, first I'm going to tell you how a magnetic field works, and then how magnetic shielding works. Hopefully, this will explain to you why there cannot be a magnet motor of this kind.
Every permanent magnet has a field around it. The field is a vector field, meaning that each point in space has both a strength, and a direction. If we were going to imagine such a field, we would do so with magnetic field lines, which emerge from one pole of the magnet and then loop around to the other side, and go back in.
These magnetic field lines must always start on a north and must always end on a south, and their amount must always be equal. The lines may not be cut, and cannot cross. Because, as mentioned, this is a field, and the lines are just an illustration. When you physically push two magnets together such that their poles repel, what you are doing is squishing these lines together. In the same way that you compress a spring, you have forced the field lines closer together and given them less room to loop around and back out to the other side. The two magnets then repel because they are attempting to spring back. When you pull two magnets apart, you are stretching the spring that goes from the north pole of one to the south pole of the other.
Magnetic shielding is a region that magnetic field lines cannot pass through. This does not mean the lines stop, vanish, or are cut. It means that they either flow through the shielding itself, or are pushed aside by it. Some substances block magnetic fields, and if you try wrapping the south pole of a magnet in these substances you will force all of the field lines to move up through the center of the magnet to the north pole. This weakens the north pole as well, as those field lines no longer extend out from the north end. The field will now simply bubble out from the end, and the middle where your shielding stops, and be weaker, rather than performing some kind of magic. Some substances are more permeable to magnetic fields. When you place one of these near a magnet, the magnetic field curves towards it, and passes through it more densely, to reach the other pole of the magnet. This again means that there is less magnetic field available outside. Your magnet again becomes weaker. You can observe this with iron filings and confirm it for yourself.
There is no way to isolate "half of" a magnet to do your work, any more than you can cut a spring in half to avoid pulling on the other side of the spring. It cannot happen. It is not a case of merely finding some clever way to arrange or shield it. These processes do not and cannot do what you need to have happen. You may as well use physical springs for your machine.
Absolutely correct. Permanent magnets do the same like mechanical springs. If you can build a perpetual motion using springs, so you can using magnets.
but you never addressed the fact that the magnets (regardless of north or south) are attracted to the steel plate between the wheels.
I'm not arguing, just trying to brainstorm. & learn
But this idea would be soooooo simple to make, it must have been made by now even if it was by someone who watched this video! ! !
Harold Geodesic
*but you never addressed the fact that the magnets (regardless of north or south) are attracted to the steel plate between the wheels.*
Yes I did. Here is where I did it.
"Some substances are more permeable to magnetic fields. When you place one of these near a magnet, the magnetic field curves towards it, and passes through it more densely, to reach the other pole of the magnet. This again means that there is less magnetic field available outside. Your magnet again becomes weaker."
The 2-D visualization commonly used to demonstrate magnetic "fields" is completely inaccurate. The iron filings trick demonstrates a 3 dimensional field in two dimensions. There are no actual "lines of force" in a magnet. A Mag field is actually a 3 dimensional torus as is the Earth's mag field.
Rick Cramer
Correct. The filings are used as an illustration. If you wanted to observe it in three dimensions, you would need to have two thin clear sheets between which the filings are trapped, and move that sheet around. And quite correct that the field lines is not an actual thing, that is an illustration meant to make it easier to imagine. The actual shape is more like a torus, yes, and rather than lines it is a continuous vector-valued function across space.
But you can't just explain such things to a free-energy nut as if they understood conservative vector fields. If they did, they wouldn't be free energy nuts.
at last , only the second decent video i have come across exploring the possabilities in a clear and clever manner. excellent
woohoo, the fool's errand section of youtube!
I like how you're going about this. Thanks for your candor.
What gets me are the critics who speak in terms of 'violation of natural laws' and the impossibility of perpetual motion while at the same time are unconscious of the facts that they themselves are electric magnetic beings hurrling through earth's permanent magnetic field at average speeds exceeding 850mph their every thought and movement the direct result of the perpetual motions of earth, moon, sun etc.
Magnets can be shielded OK, but the attraction to the iron content is stronger than releasing it so shielding will never work. Less shielding or more shielding it does not matter. Attraction cancels out all the force to release the force. Pie in the sky. Try a simple demonstration and it will never work. Sorry to burst your bubble.
Hieff Engine Company Ltd Hieffengine As a fellow engineer I clearly see your point of view. You have to be correct but didn't he demonstrate a thin enough wedge will balance out both attraction to the wedge and repulsion of the opposite magnet? Hmmm, I'm wondering... haha.
Tom Hoehler After 38 years in aerospace engineering I also have the same problems with people who believe in global warming. The absorption band takes all and cannot become appreciably wider, higher or deeper. Yet they believe they will cook in their beds before the rising sea washes them away. Haha.
m1aws I made previous test of the ratio thickness: shield vs magnets, a thin shield will not cancel the repulsion, as it gets thicker they balance, if the shield gets thicker, the the magnets gets attracted to the shield, BUT the ticker the shield gets, the further the repelling distance after the magnets pass the shield so less push force, they are further away from each other then they were from the shield.
Dan Dan Wasn't that the idea?
Attract to the keeper.
It will always slide along a standard gap with no issue.
But where it goes thinner until it meet its "polar similar" where there is no attraction and no repulsion but as it crosses over this point. repulsion is wanted.
From what you state, you needed less gap to overcome skin depth
I have to be wrong. Must be missing something else. There is a video where its tried but the magnets do not line up and I'm lost why it doesn't "cog" between the magnets.
Tom Hoehler It is not a shield, it is a keeper. It works by containing the field.
I'm essentially agreeing with you both but cannot visualise why it should not work. Believe me, I've seen a few builds and laughed them off immediately.. There's something I do not understand yet.
Thought provoking, thanks. THANKS for not having
annoying and NEEDLESS music!!!
I had built this device. It didn't work.
+XxWhoopiexX can you show us ?
+UniversalExpanse Why are you so condescending?
Why do you automatically assume that their attempt at this work is childlike?
Why do you not know that it is called DUCT TAPE, not duck tape?
Why would you think that anyone would put in so much work to build such a thing & upload a video of its failure to TH-cam?
Do you not realize that the responding comments from people like you about how incompetent he MUST be to not be able to make it work, would fertilize a field for years?
Your comment hasn't added anything to the universe today my friend.
+leighatkins22 Thank you for that comment.
So many down-right mentally unevolved people on this planet..
But I show them love anyways.
Still. Doesn't make it any less of a headache, than to deal with morons on a daily basis.
Start to wonder why scientists commit suicide.
+UniversalExpanse Oh my fucking god.
That's what he just explained to you.
Now you're explaining it back to him. Not knowing your change of disposition is in direct contradiction in demeanor. Compared to your previous statement.
Waow.. just.. waow.. *shakes head*
+leighatkins22 Everytime I try read his second statement..
It's like my mind basically says ";What!?.. Wait no.. these is NO consistency here in relation to what he previously said... Mind does not compute. ERROR:. ERROR.. SHUTDOWN immediate."
Lol..
Very compelling -- and refreshing that there are no absurd claims, childish hyperbole, vague demonstrations or hidden wires.
Syncronizing the two wheels, and moving, (nullifying), the "shield" at the right moment in each revolution is the key -- well -- and that pesky friction matter, friction being the bane of all perpetual motion devices.
I'm gonna have to chew on this one for a bit.
Here's how it works:
It doesn't work.
Yep, and here is why: the magnets magnetize the iron, which will create an opposite pole further down. You just reshape the magnetic field. The magnets will still need to travel through this field and the forces will cancel eachother out. Simple as that.
But i have seen it working....................................................in my imagination ^ ^
@Destruction But safe No. The whole principle this guy demonstrates is that above the metal shielding the magnets should repel each other. If you invert the magnets on one wheel it''ll attract and all will come to a halt anyway.
Here's a simple thought: *if* this would work... how easy would this be to build? In fact, it's so simple that it would take less time to create than this video :)
No one, ever, has produced a motor based upon such a concept.
I am as much a hippie as the next guy... but conservation of energy is not a conspiracy.
Good vid. Most people doubt but it has to be perfect and timing is everything.
So 6 years later, where is the working version?
I was reading this comment section and you're the only other person who thought that!
its probably been beaten to death w, but here are a few things i see wrong with this right away:
1) the friction generated by, lets say a wheel you're trying to propel, will be much greater than the forces created by the magnets
2) you are right, you need gears, but once you introduce gears (they need to touch) you introduce more friction and there is no space for the piece of iron
3) as DukeHastMich said: redirecting the lines of magnetic force causes resistance
that being said, great video!
All this free energy BS is like creationists and atheists all over again
In the above video it's not shielding but - cancelation -. This is easily tested and verified and has been. You must use a piece of metal as in the video above, of exact thickness, length and width. The magnets are attracted to the metal and the magnets repel each other simultaneously with the same but opposite forces. Hence: cancelation. Not shielding. The person that made the video is correct. Magnetic shielding and magnetic cancelation are two different things.
Please, leave religion out of this Mr. Swoonpoon. This isn't a place for religions or name calling but inventing something of potential value for all of us.
Dear Mr. Magneticveil:
What you are demonstrating is correct. It is not shielding but - cancelation - of the opposing forces of the magnets. The magnets attract the steel with a force of positive 1 and the magnets repel each other with a force of minus 1. Hence: positive I minus 1 equals zero (cancelation). The metal must be of a exacting thickness, length and width to work. You can put them a hairs distance from the metal and they will not touch. I've tested this.
What are these guys hurting maybe by playing around they find something usefull there's a lot in this world to hate and I don't think these guys are on that list
This is a great video ... i was searching for the kind of this video which explains the working phenomena of magnet motor. Thank You
most important things were invented by people that dropped out
Sorry that is not true. That does not mean that a “normal“ guy can mot invent things but it is far more likly that someone who dedicated his live to it will invent something.
Here are some of the most importend iventions who where all invented by engineers an phsisist: steam engine (greek and english), the computer, the jet engine, internal combustion egine, modern rockets, semi conduktor, modern agriculture, cars, the telephone and many many more
What many people say is that Einstein was bad in school or even droped out which is not true he was a remarkable student.
This is the only magnetic generator concept that I've seen anywhere which, in theory, could possibly work.
Law of Conservation of Energy. Sorry Bro. No deal.
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Please write the equation so we can all see how it violates the law of conservation of energy and your argument may (or may not) be validated
Peter Harris Interestingly enough, conservation of energy is a concept, that has very finite boundaries. I'm not so convinced even from years of physics study and Uni, that conservation is limited to a system, when it comes to magnetism, gravity, and charge flow. After all, they are cosmological systems, that we are a part of, and if affected, will not conserve energy in our discrete system.
Garret Krampe No system will fall from lower potential to higher potential. End of story. The first illustration with only a magnet and an iron rod goes from higher potential to lower potential. The second illustration, blatantly foolish, has lower potential falling to higher potential. Not to be rude, but "years of physics study" should include the concept of potentials in fields. This video shows complete ignorance of the concept of potential
Garret Krampe ...but don't take my word for it. TEST IT.
It's OK. I don't have to test it. It was a nice concept. It will not work. However. In the search for the holy grail of Magnet motors, too many forget the Halbach array. Simply by rotating the cylinder magnets they can switch off and on the field and change polarity .. again won't work, as you are fighting the magnets to get it to work. With recent electric models of the universe, which seem plausible in some aspects, there just maybe a whole higher dimension to conservation of energy.
It would be interesting to try this experiment with a "shield" that did not take much power to change from diamagnetic to ferro or ferrimagnetic. Again UNObtainium ..
Oh wait .. it can be done with an electric coil ! lol
Thank you for this graphic demonstration, especially costing almost zilch, is easy to build, and seems absolutely harmless to put such concept to the test. Atoms are always in motion and consists of energy and generate frequencies such as magnets do. The vast majority who claimed what is impossible has been proven wrong a whole lot of times throughout history and even within these recent years. A genius does not limit themselves to speculations but directly relies on a wide variety of method.
There's no such thing as magnetic shielding. Magnets work through every kind of matter. Two magnets facing each other with the same pole will push against each other. A piece of iron in between will not change the force that pushes them apart. The only difference is that those magnets are also attracted to the piece of iron. They stick to the iron in between them even though they face each other with the same pole because they are attracted more to the iron than they are repelled by each other.
This device will not work, because the magnets under and above the "shielded" area repel each other with the same force and the wheels will stop and stay in the state of the lowest local potential energy.
There's no free energy. There's only stupidity and conspiracy theories.
+TheFarciarz777 Well you mustn't be up with the latest discoveries coz they have discovered material blends which will repel & contain magnetic flux lines.
But I think that the use of the word 'shield' here may be misplaced - it's more like he seems to be implying that the iron is redirecting the flux lines, although I'm still trying to understand exactly what he's trying to express.
that's what magnetic shielding is
Electromagnetism is a fundamental force. It's a warp in space-time. You cannot "shield" it. You can manipulate electrons which can cause the force, but you cannot shield something from the force itself. Just like you cannot shield something from gravity.
R u that dumb?
+TheFarciarz777 U use diffecult words but maby u also know energy is always getting somewhere so in theory it would be possible
Seems legit, I'd suggest giving it a try and testing to see if it actually works. It's usually the simplest methods that work best.
I really fell in love with this design from the moment I first saw it several years ago. I have "heard" that it does work, but "they" say that the magnets lose their flux, or power. I tried making one, but the barrings I used caused the wheels to wobble too much so it never worked. Please, I implore you, try making one and let us know how it goes.
I'm not a scientist, but the meer fact this is being discussed and played out in someone's garage shows that it may be possible to invent a working system. Just keep working out the issues and one day I believe you will have found the correct balance for a working model.
Come on dude! Finish it! We definetly need a perpetual motion machine!
I THINK ITS GREAT WHAT PEOPLE ARE DOING..I'VE BEEN PLAYING WITH MAGNETS SINCE 1980 OR SO..EVERY TIME I TRY TO ANALYZE JUST WHAT IS OR IS NOT HAPPENING, I LEARN SOMETHING DIFFERENT...i NOW KNOW THOUSANDS OF THINGS THAT WONT WORK AND STILL HAVE MANY POSSIBLES TO TRY..EACH EXPERIMENT HAS A HIGH OF ITS OWN...WE STAND ON THE THRESHOLD OF GREAT POSSIBILITIES..THE POSSIBILITIES ONLY END WHEN WE QUIT TRYING...
The Libertymagnetmotor actually is a hybrid magnet motor as it has magnet to magnet interactions, not coils and magnets like a "mere" electric motor. It is therefore truly a magnet motor that uses a hybrid pulsed power-assisted actuator. The above magnet motor (and all pure magnet motors) either have issues due to eddy currents in iron or it experiences magnetic collisions that inhibit rotation and stress magnets. Switching the magnetic poles and avoiding magnetic collisions is key.
I like this video! The magnets own energy is the force used here. This is not overunity or free energy because the energy is sourced from the magnets. It takes a lot of energy to create a magnet and that energy lasts for thousands of years in a permanent magnet. Magnet Motors aren't pseudo science, they are just another way of using an untapped fuel source that has longevity.
Na klar, Du schirmst Magnetfelder so ab, dass die nur noch in eine Richtung strahlen. Herzlichen Glückwunsch! Wenn Du jetzt noch die Gravitationsstrahlen abschirmst bist Du mein Held!
I made exactly the same as this in real in 1983, as nice and simple as it looks, it’s a no go. 😢
I designed this very device in 1975 at my uncle's house, and it's exactly what you'd expect from the imagination of a 14 year old kid. I got about as far as you did: a couple of drawings of the concept and heart-felt promises that it would work. By the time 1982 rolled around and I had a couple years of education in college physics under my belt, I had learned better. Please, everyone, listen to me: put the effort into studying **AND UNDERSTANDING** basic physics and mechanics, and the knowledge you gain will pay you back richly. And then you can come back to TH-cam and watch in amusing horror as rooms full of people who haven't learned basic physics or mechanics watch in amazement as Yildiz demonstrates his so-called "magnet motor" in ways that will make you fall down laughing. "Gee, if I were trying to hoodwink a room full of morons, how would I do it? I know! I won't do anything legitimate, like run my motor against a dynamometer to show an actual measurement of actual power generated (mainly because my little contraption doesn't even have enough power to turn the dyno shaft one revolution with the meter in idle); instead, I'll bolt on a noisy sheet aluminum fan blade and push air into people's faces so they can "feel it." And I'll make sure to hold the events on public university grounds so that when I advertise the event it sounds like a function of the university itself. I just won't tell them that, by law, public universities MUST give free access to such spaces because they are supported by the public's tax dollars. It's perfect! And then one day at one of these events, I'll find that trust fund baby who was born with a silver spoon up his ass and who just recently buried his father, and I'll get his millions of -- ahem! -- **investment** dollars because he coasted his whole life on science fiction TV and will believe anything. Oh, yeah...."
Let me guess, you believe in Gravbity right ? The magic force.
But you haven’t figured out that the real law is relative density, not grabbity.
Ahhh.. accademics
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the fine tunning of the magnets and the size of the iron rod would be the most important factory here IMO
I've been experimenting with magnets for the past few days, watching you tube videos, reading, etc and here are my thoughts regarding an electromagnetic generator.
A magnetic centrifuge is created that has an inner wheel containing natural magnetic heads, each with the same outward facing polarity. The inner wheel rotates through corresponding transistors that pulse an electromagnet to push the wheel using repulsion. The wheel utilizes centrifugal force to create torque and turn a turbine.
Of course, now that I think about it, the effect I described in my last post could be overcome by alternating the poles of the magnets on the wheels. They ALL would still repel after leaving the end of the steel rod and the approaching magnets would all experience a stronger pull due to the magnetized steel. ! ! Now I'm stuck.... GREEEN STAR for trying.
Thank you for the concept of shielding
I think the shielding should be a rigid metal grid, allowing 50% of the repelling and attracting forces through, thus canceling themselves.
And maybe the grid should go a little passed the mid way point and hopefully, the only acting force will be the repelling force on the top parts of the gears.
It's worth a try.
Nice
I had great hopes to make a model similarly but found the the MuMetal (magnetic shielding) was extremely magnetic. Therefore the magnets would attract to the MuMetal and pretty much stop right where you see the preview of this video. The only way I have found to make magnets do actual work is to use a pulsating magnetic field a.k.a electromagnets pushing (or pulling) against permanent magnets.
"There is no known substance that can shield magnetism and not be attracted to it itself."
You almost got it right when you included momentum. A magnetic system has a lowest energy state (or many equal lowest states). When in that state, the system requires energy to get out of the state. That energy can be supplied by momentum. Using mechanical energy to climb out of the low magnetic state means that the rotating parts slow down. Always.
If you use circular magnets with N/S pole on inside/outside, as if number of magnets -> infinity, then you have literally re invented the wheel :)
This is a Magnetic Gear, not a magnetic motor. The problem with magnetic gears is they tend to sheer from each other. You are correct in saying that adding the mechanical gear would solve this problem, but it would remove the friction-less quality of the gear. Increasing the Gauss helps and minimizing the distance between the magnets (think magnetic teeth) helps reduce sheer a little.
Keep up you research. Without individuals like you it will never get done. If Edison wold have been a quitter not telling where we would be today
i think magnet motors are gona be a freaken revolution once it gets into industrial cars
genieus!
iv worked a while back on these princebles and you figured out on hell of a blocking here.
i really enjoyed this one
pretty good explantation this phenomena.
The problem is, that the resources, military and government guys won't let it happen (so far).
But it's very good there are passionates that share and public the knowledge and results of experiment/prototypes.
Mr. Tom Hoehler - The matter of cancelation is correct. Simple permanent magnetic field force cancelation. It's plus 1 minus 1 = 0. Otherwise there would be no cancelation. This has nothing to do with rotors. Buy several small magnets (from a hardware store) about 25 cent each and spark-plug-gap blades (from an auto parts store) about $5-6 with a set of 30-35 thin blades of different thicknesses. It cost less than $15 dollars to test this. Make a small wood holder for the magnets. Put non-magnetic nails to hold the metal exactly in the middle. Have the magnets repelling each other. Make it precise where the cancelation metal (blade) goes exactly between them in the middle. Too much metal the magnets attract to. Too little metal the magnets stay repelling. The right amount and their repel and attract fields will cancel.
It seems very much like it could work :)
As long as you could create the "escape velocity" (enough speed to turn the wheel) by the time the shielding effect takes place and shield most of magnetic force.
Would love to try it myself.
Brilliant
So have you tried it yet?
It's always interesting when a friends link leads you back to a video that you not only seen but found interesting. This has many interesting points, and has to have some practical application. Question is when will they admit it... my guess is only when they must.
awesome idea man, maybe you can have the rod in until the magnet gets half way then lower or retract it for a small period mechanically to remove the unwanted pulling when it is closest. then after it passed the shield let the repelling forces push each other up maybe. since they repel each other and cant leave their orbits they might both go up. if the magnets could turn electro magnetically timed and reversed in polarity on specific times as needed to maximized the use of a pole in time. or a spinning metal cross 4 times around it at 45 degree angles. to maximize the pull then releases by length of the rod.
There needs to be a shield that only blocks a magnetic field, not attract, only then does the motor have a chance to work. Because of the magnets being pulled away from the metal are attracting to it, and cancelling any gained energy. Great idea though.
A physicist's analysis of the idea would go like this: a material which blocked a magnetic field but did not interact with the magnet would permit the construction of a perpetual motion machine.
BUT perpetual motion machines are contrary to the laws of thermodynamics, therefore no such shielding material can exist.
QED
permeate baby!!!! Well, i was thinking a state of resistance on a timed release spring which would simulate a piston system of energy which can also be stored. You would need a cam to operate the precision timing. Otherwise a 4x3 array would create optimal output on a fly wheel design which can utilize a center drive for operating a spring hammer in intervals of opposing magnetic polarity arrangements. Opposing also has energy cell storage capability.
Interesting at first sight, I agree, but I guess the attracting forces of the magnets to the metal are equally strong to the repelling forces of the magnets which have past the shielding. Thus I'm afraid there will be no motion at all...
i think this is an awesome idea with great potential. i really like the bedini motors and his solid state tesla chargers, but they all need large, heavy, lead acid batteries to be useful. this could be a much more portable device for generating electricity. i've been a machinist for 24 years. this would be really easy to make.
What would actually happen is that because there is no attraction at the end of the rod, the magnets would pull back to the attraction below and effectively slow the rotation until it stops. I have also studied this stuff. I actually focus on generating power with less motion to eliminate the pull of the magnets. Most people want the magnet pull and try to use it to create motion, but you should focus on the magnet power generation abilities without motion. Think initial reaction and less about continuous reaction. Hope this helps.
I attempted this same experiment back in 2003 when Neodymium magnets were much more expensive and harder to obtain. It does not work because there is NO known material that can truly block magnetic flux, with the exceptions of superconductors. No room-temperature superconductors exist. I am still searching for materials though, and when someone finally discovers a material that can block magnetic flux at room temp. then this motor will be possible, and free energy will finally be a reality.
I built one of these, locked together with outward-facing toothed belts, which worked well to keep them in phase. I then nulled out the repulsive forces of the like poles on both wheels by using wood screws, added one at a time until the magnet forces were nulled out. Cool, I thought...when the magnets get above the nulled out section, which I put just past the point where the like-pole magnets were closest, it would be like a "rising sun" effect, and the magnets would repel each other with a vengeance. Well, I found that this theory was correct...but the problem was that the repulsive force past the nails just pushed the wheels in the opposite direction and acted as a great brake! I continued, by placing more screws further above the nearest point, but by the time I got things past the backward tending force, there was little useful force left over, due to the distance between the magnets, and it wasn't even enough to overcome the friction of the two meshing toothed belts. Nice idea, but no cigar...yet.
I like the concept and I would be interested in seeing the results.
One thing to note however: the magnets arn't just attracted to the tip of the metal. They are fighting against attraction to other parts of metal the entire time they are going north. Any attraction to the metal center pole would be a zero-sum game.
Good idea. I am curently attempting to construct a permanent magnet motor myself, using a similar concept. Keep up the good work!
yes induction would occour, however any movement achieved by magnetic machienes is done in expension of the magnets strength, they get caotic over time and loose the force.. so we only used the energy spend in the factory to magnetise them. obtaining energy when transforming order into caos because order is a higher state of energy (some arrangements dont use the shielding part) but still they exaust the magnets
i also smoke crack. and i also think that if we have a lot of buckets picking up water on a treadmill device it will outweigh the buckets on the other side and just keep spinning.. what a good idea! maybe we should employ escher to build a set of stairs we could let this "slinky" of an idea climb down. let me know when you're ready.
I don't know much about magnets, but instead of having gears on the wheel itself, have bars coming out from the center of the wheels that have gears on them. that way you can still have the bar in between the magnets without interfering with the gears and vice versa.
Keep up the good work, if you made this machine and it worked. People will look at it running and tell you it wasn't working. Self respect can't be taught and for some reason people keep telling you how it wont work. I don't remember hearing you asking for anyone's opinion on how it wont work. People need to keep there negative comments to them self. Self respect doesn't consists of telling everyone why there wrong and lecturing them when they never asked for your help or your opinion. He clearly states in the video its a idea and he's not sure if it will work. If you don't like he's video or the content you should keep those thoughts to your self so you can retain your self respect. Learn to be good humans and not over aggressive animals/ savages.
An electromagnetic motor illustrates the usefulness of magnetism in creating centrifugal force because it uses the replant charges to create motion on an axis. They aren't designed to create electricity. It's close, but I think it took the advance of electronics to enable an addition step that first takes the natural force of a magnet and converts it to a useable centrifugal force, which consequently, is easy to adjust.
Energy is defined as applied force times the distance a object has moved. Since the the magnet is sitting still, there is no energy involved.
The magnet is attracted with a very strong force and when two surfaces of objects are pressed together you get a friction-force in the perpendicular direction, in this case the perpendicular direction is the opposite of the gravitational force. The friction-force is larger then gravity therefore the magnet stays where it is.
Wow, dude! You got a good head on your shoulders! I have to admit, I have been sitting back for some time waiting for someone to get as close as you have gotten here in your video. The next step would be to start building your design however you know to build it. Sure, duct tape, toilet paper rolls, construction board, wood and nails........all that stuff is good in the beginning. You will get a good idea going and then need to consult a machine shop to build you a chassis that isn't made of paper, which your magnets are going to rip to shreds............!!!!!!!!! Think about it what I just last said !!!!!!!!!
dude, that is what ive been trying to find after 2 weeks and thats amazing im surprised i didnt think of that
The counter EMF is the self-regulating part of electric motors that a magnetic motor cannot provide.
Here's the self-regulating explained:
1) the back EMF in the motor coil prevents it from running so fast that it comes apart when there is no or a light load - as the rotor's windings spin faster through the stator magnetic field, the rotor's windings encounter greater back EMF due to Faraday/Lenz's law, which then limits the current and thus the magnetic field in the rotor, keeping it from spinning too fast
2) when the motor gets put under load - EXAMPLE: in an electric drill, you drill through a 2-foot thick piece of hardwood with a dull drill bit - the load slows the rotor's rotation. That reduces the back EMF because the rotor isn't spinning through the stator magnetic field so quickly. In response, the current in the rotor coil can now increase to a higher level, creating a stronger magnetic field, which creates more rotational torque, so the rotor is not slowed too much by the load (drilling through 2 feet of hardwood with a dull drill bit)
Nature is one of the designers of how electric motors work - the back EMF keeps the rotor from spinning too fast when there is a light load, and the back EMF reduces when there's a heavy load so the motor can handle the load.
Point being, there is no mechanism like this with permanent magnets - because there's no current.
There is no current that could increase in the rotor (the part doing the actual work).
There's also no back EMF to reduce current in the rotor to slow it down when the load is light - because, again, there is no current. If you eliminate the 'drag' of back EMF, the rotation could grow, possibly, leading to excess mechanical stress and breakage
@elizaul1 - no.Turning wheels require power to sustain motion to overcome friction. An external power supply is always needed.
This is a great concept to include in my magnet drive generator development. Thank you very much, I was going to implement a mechanical cam that would also be driven by the magnetic field intertializing ( hows that for a word) the rotational force, therefore rob some of the energy. But, now what I am going to do with this concept is shield the impact of the repelling magnetic field to just past TDC, not unlike a spark in an internal combustion engine. BTW, critics and cynics, prove to disprove:)
On your model, you can disrupt the magnetic field after each pass.. Though having offset polarities.. offset like black keys on a piano can allow for a spiral design in a +/- layout which will allow for output & storage simultaneously. i call it the step theory, but it reminds me of a music box. Saw it in a dream, i was passing through a mesh of time/space & was pulled back into Phi by spiral..
@jpsousa4 the energy in is from when the magents were originally magnetised, try it, stroke a needle with a magnet, the energy you use stroking the needle goes into aligning the dipoles, its really simple, i dont see why so many dont get it...
I've looked at this and made the following considerations on how this might work, but I don't have materials to do it
1. Because magnets will only repel about a half an inch, the bigger the wheel the more distance the wheel will travel to repel the magets that 1/2". So, if you get flywheels from car engines, it would be a good step in the right direction.
2. Use lead to shield the bottom half instead of iron until it's confirmed if the top half will work, then try the iron or steele shielding.
i really have no doubt this can be the future of free energy!
Field lines are like lines on a contour map. They are lines of constant magnetic potential ( or flux density, depending on what you are solving for ).
To draw field lines ( relative ) , you need to know the magnetic permeability of air and of the metal bar, along with the dimensions. The (vector) fields of each magnet add. The result will give a line integral, as you move through a full rotation, that equals zero. No matter how many magnets, the position of the bar, or what it is made of.
Or, flowerbower, the shield reduces the repulsion as magnets approach one another, but does not significantly interfere with repulsion as magnets move away from one another. Repulsion is stronger than attraction & works at a greater distance, creating an imbalance in this machine.
the issue with this is simple...
as a piece of metal moves though a magnetic field, even if the field is what's moving, a current is produced, and as a side effect, the objects exert a slowing force on each other.
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The guy in this video actually cares about the reality of how magnets could be used.
@Jerrod Lopes you could maybe theoretically, in a vacuum where there are no forces resisting against the motion, with a system with 0 friction, create a perpetually moving object, you just couldn't draw any power from it because to draw power from it, you need to create resistance, and therefore your machine would soon stop working. All energy comes from somewhere, the energy that comes from a machine is drawn from it's motion, and so more energy needs to be input to keep it moving.
@hardmouse1972 ... also even if they didn't "find the balance point"...
magnetic shielding slows any magnet moving, or shield moving through each other.
This slowing motion is what creates a current in hand crank flashlights.
The resistance can be used to create some electricity, however them amount is more than the energy put in.
Keep up the good work Bro... thanks for sharing 👍
If it ran by demagnetising the magnets then it would run for a while before stopping with 'flat' magnets. I think you will find it wont run at all and the magnets will remain magnetised.
At a glance the idea of the motor looks like it would work but this is where it falls over:- If the shield cancels out all attractive and repulsive forces behind the shield. Consider what happens when the magnets are just below the top of the shield. Repulsion starts acting from above pushing the magnets DOWN.
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The magnets at the south end of the rod would still have slight negitive atraction wanting to push the wheels in reverse. The only thing stoping that is the higher atraction to the rods northern tip. If the northern tip is enough to over power the wheels from wanting to turn in reverse then it would be to powerfull at its most magnetic point to alow the magnets to push apart at the end. Hope that makes sence.
without the rod you have a perfectly symetrycal situation so by shielding the lower part you create an asymetrical situation. this must be tryed to see if it work with fine tuning of the rod thickness and position plus a wide number of magnet around the wheel to spherify the global field (in order to avoid the magnetic gear effect which lead to magnetic lock)
@knowledgemonger The principal of the idea is sound. And I did see a video of something simular but with no gearing. it did have a reation for a short time but lack of gearing let it get out of sync quickly. Magnets have a permenet power you don't have recharge, it's just a questions of being able to manipulate them correctly
Shielding do not change a thing. It only change location where magnets stops.
Magnets are like helical spring, but spring value K is not linear like spring had. So using magnets (neodymium or regular) dont create excess energy more than springs does.
Did you know north and south magnetic fields can be literally printed onto the same side of a piece of metal now.
New technology using what they call magnetic pixels (maxils) can be printed in any configuration.
Solid state magnet motors here we come!
I think you have shown mechanical proof of concept to a degree, you need to make a model now.
It matters little about the 3 dimensional shape of the fields others mention,
those weaker parts of the field will not overcome inertia of a weighted wheel or
the main 2D bands of the strongest parts of the magnetic fields.
Keep experimenting. Best of luck
ok i think this solves it : if you have cog a and cog b. a would spin and b would sync with a before they meet the rod( cogs have mags on all points). the force of mag on a and b would pull to the point of shield: so theoretically as theta on both cogs aproach 0 (0 is the horrazontal) the attraction force approach 0. thus the motion relies on the angular P. but the Tourqu from below cancels the force from above. thus the cogs would accelerate "-a" from the friction of the two shafts. no tourque
Just because you are a physicist or an engineer it doesn't automatically make you a saint. They can be just as closed minded as any one else at times.
it's is easy to say something is impossible. Magnetism is still not understood. Keep listening to your compartmentalized popstar scientists.
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You haven't cancelled the repelling forces by putting iron between itself. You just have the same poles fighting over the same piece of iron. When you do this, the iron "tries to repel itself". If it were possible for magnets to be strong enough, the iron itself would be ripped apart.
Nice vid. Clear and concise. Thumbs up.