The host talking about "a second surprise Trump win" highlights just how out-of-touch the media are with voters. Maybe the first was a legitimate surprise, but these people should have learnt from that
@@davieshq Freddy Gray has been predicting a Trump victory for the past 12 months; he was just framing a question by referencing what the pollster had just said (who had also mentioned a surprise Harris victory to be fair).
I won money on Trump getting the nomination and more money on him winning and I did pretty well. It was obvious to me at the time but not obvious enough to put a bigger bet. This time there is no mistake, if you can see through the syrup of MSN bias it is there in plain site.
‘Kamala seems to have done badly recently on interviews’ - Nope. She’s actually had interviews. People are just seeing how bad she is and always has been.
She's always been unpopular and unpalatable. People either didn't know or completely memory holed 2020 and her entire career as VP where no one gave a damn about her.
Just stop. Its abundantly apparent that the Dem party loves their candidate and Trump can do nothing right while the Rep party idolises Trump and Kamala is completely incompetent. Asked about Healthcare during the debate, Trump said he had the semblance of a plan?! How is that a good answer? Its not. So criticising her interview answers is fine hut don’t pretend he is any better. She is trying to explain and failing while Trump doesn’t even try to explain.
Florida counts early voting and mail in ballots early, so they only have to count the in person votes on election day. Of course they can finish the count that night. States that are later than that usually can't start counting mail in ballots until election day.
For decades (if not longer) we've had the results the day of, or the next at most. After covid and 2020 that magically changed. Nothing weird to see here, and if you think that's weird you're a bigoted conspiracy theorist.
@@alexishoare ALL of the states, honestly its a handful of counties, are very very blue. Of course they need time, it takes a while to figure out how many votes they need to win. 2020 was rigged and the fix was in months before election day by many factions including forces within the government. Anyone that thinks Trump wasn't screwed is either in on it or in denial. This woman is a joke. Like most omen she cares more about optics and emotions than reality and policy.
If that was a serious quote about Gove wanting Harris to win, that will be the end of a lifetime of reading the Spectator for me, and underlines how the last government were totally useless, out of touch and further eroded everything that could still be great about our country...
Wanting Harris to win doesn't require supporting her policies. It just means you find her the lesser of two evils, which isn't hard to understand when you look at Trump. His policies are unconservative and his personal conduct is revolting.
@@Zagg777 Not really accurate... A lot of countries have been trending towards nationalism but few want to completely undo trade. US politics is more about realistic foreign policy (Trump and the new right) vs idealistic foreign policy (Kamala, Democrats, and neoconservatives).
It's not globalism; it's internationalism. Which is the idea that nation states give up sovereignty for the greater good. Its opposite is realism. Don't be tricked into using words like globalism. It's how the internationalists have been using language to discredit realism, which is the idea that international obligations and rules is nonsense on stilts.
Plenty of well-educated people are supporting Trump. We're not stupid. This was a surprisingly good discussion. As a frequent American listener my expectations were low. Kudos.
They may not be stupid but they're incredibly ignorant and naive. Is there a single living dictator that Trump hasn't complimented? My constitution is too valuable to me to let Trump wipe his feet on it again.
I am a white woman with 3 advanced degrees who was born in the suburbs of LA and lived all of my adult life in SF and NYC. I voted DNC every election. I am considered white and my family is middle class. I will vote Trump or RFK Jr (my first choice.). Given that I live in NYC, it doesn’t matter practically. But perhaps more telling, I won’t vote for any Democrat given how woke has overtaken the party. According to the polls I should be voting for Harris. No way. I suspect there are more women in my demographics.
I am not “super rich” but the tax burden on me as a 1% person in their early 30s is a minimum of $100k in additional taxes if Kamala wins for the 4 year term. This is excluding the unlikely event that she can get her “unrealized gains” tax through which would devastate me. I have no way to not be against her since she is villainizing me for my hard work and success. The top 1% already pays 1000x in taxes what our bottom 50% pays. $600 vs $650k a year in taxes. The politicians need to remember who pays the taxes that pays their salaries.
Trump is NOT anti Nato! And there is no question where he stands on abortion. States should (according to the Constitution) make the decisions re abortion. The United States is a Republic, and the responsibilities of the Federal government are narrow (or should be).
We keep thinking how could anyone seriously think that Trump 'Fascist' would be a good choice? The man should be in jail never mind going for the top job in the world.
@@joesoy9185 Do you think Harris could do three hours with Rogan? Did you listen? Could anyone listen to three hours of Harris and not fall asleep or switch off due to the crushing vacuousness?
I visit the USA fairly often since 1989, having a son that is a USA citizen. I do not follow ideologies. However I do listen to individuals and also watch carefully their body language. I am not a Trump fan of his personal attidutes, buit comparing Kamala and the V.P. choice of the Democrats, for me Trump almost looks a champion, a far better choice for sorting the present problems of the Nation. The present Democratic party has unfortunately changed too much from when it was the obvious choice.. I remember when Kamala was the first to be eliminated at the Democrats run off, and do not think she has improved, and has not done anything since to justify anyone's vote, other that she is a woman, and supposed to be of colour.
The Democrats have never been the better or right choice. If we had an honest media and big tech, Hollywood, etc. weren't putting their foot on the scale the Dems would never win. And don't forget how the education system indoctrinates children with extreme ideology starting in kindergarten.
The last election was a referendum on Trump. This one is a referendum on Biden's administration. I find it mind-boggling that Harris didn't distance herself and provide some meaningful policy alternatives going forward. It's why she's going to lose.
She can't because then Biden would undercut her. The deal they struck with Biden is that if he stepped aside they would act like it was so noble and grant him a legacy. If she undercuts him now, she tarnishes his legacy, and he is likely to tarnish her reputation and throw the election to Trump.
Biden's record has objectively been awesome. Real wages up, manufacturing jobs are up, jobs overall are up, inflation is down, stock market is at record highs, when polled people say they are doing better now than under trump.
@@jhonklan3794 Except you're doing your measurement comparing an economy shutdown by the Dems to one restarted. Of course all your figures are great after restarting the economy you shutdown. Lies, damned lies, and statistics. ;)
Trump/D.J. Vance/Vivek/Tulsi/Kennedy/DeSantis/Larry Elder versus Kamala/Tampon Tim/The Cheneys/Lizzo/Madonna/JoyReid/Jay Z & the Coven of the View. I cannooooooot chooose. It's just toooo difficult 4 me. I will abstain. Oh dear.
@@theglanconer6463 thank you for the comment! I’ve been telling everyone I know that the coalition Trump has been able to put together this election is nothing short of amazing! Comrade Harris and Tampon Tim can have all of the woke and wacko celebrities, the neocons, and all of the out of touch celebrities. I’ll take our new Republican Party of the people any day of the week! #MAGA2024
@@neoturfmasterMVS Why are there so many trolls in this comments section? You people disappoint me. You'd rather vote for a fascist, rapist, convicted felon idiot who bribed his way into college and went bankrupt eight times and lies more than you breathe? Jesus what's wrong with you people
What did we learn? Barely a mention about policy but that people vote because of their skin colour, where they live, how much money they have and how well educated they are. Fascinating stuff 😅
I've liked Kate ever since she tried to confront some of the Question Time basket cases with awkward realities and economic facts. The Biden support was massively disappointing; she admitted a lot of Trump's economic policy were far more aligned with her own thinking but seemed unable to offer a cogent counter argument for her voting Biden beyond Trump being mean on Twitter. Her views on importing the third world for cheap labour are wrong headed too.
A big problem is that too many are focused on either Kamala (previously Biden) or Trump, rather than the current Democrat and Republican philosophies and policies. Personally I have issues with the Republicans but these pale in comparison to the woke, technocratic, fascism of the Democrats.
The funny thing is they tried this already. She ran for President before and she failed miserably. Nobody liked her on both sides, and in all racial groups. Now the media is acting like people always liked her. It's insane. They can't claim people don't like her because of misogyny when the people claiming that never liked her either.
It did not take long for the hitler comments to come up Tells you everything about the spectator. It is also interesting how they describe class that it is the difference between someone ordering beer or wine or those who lecture and those who are lectured to. The way these fools are talking you would think it was circa 1930's UK.
I think that the Democratic Party should have chosen Bernie Sanders instead of Kamala Harris. Unfortunately, Nancy Pelosi thought otherwise. As for JFK Jr, he recognised that the Democrats had morphed into a very different party.
‘Kamala won the debate’ Really? Really? All everyone else remembers is Trump being incorrectly fact checked by the two moderators, so it was 3 on 1. This is why you’ve not seen another debate.
Are you serious? He was ranting about crowd sizes, accusing immigrants of eating pets and said he had 'concepts of a plan' on healthcare. None of that required any help from the moderators.
That these educated people (well mainly public school boys) are somewhat supportive of Trump , and think he's really funny, is worrying and a sign Trump will probably do it.
I think the choice will be made on the economy. America is $35 trillion in debt (an historic record) Cost of living: Grapes cost $10, Car Insurance premiums have gone up 47% since 2021 and, of course, the increasing cost of housing & fuel. Layoffs, particularly in the tech sector, are rising & new hires are drying up. Under her tenure, Ms Harris’s home city of San Francisco has: One of the highest number of unsheltered homeless people in the US One of the highest number of drug addicts in the US Biggest exodus of tech jobs from the state due to high taxes, property prices & crime. The Union Square Shopping Mall has shut due to lax crime laws on shoplifting Only 27% of lower income households in America think they’re doing OK. Not looking good for Ms Harris.
One of the things that is new in ‘education’ is the large numbers of people now holding un-valued (not under-valued) frankly ‘silly’ degrees, because of a sillier notion by Blair thst huge percentages of people ought get degrees…even buy them as now, and huge shortages of skilled technical and business people.
So I live in NYC and it’s definitely true that the “shame” of supporting Trump is definitely waning! 8 or even 4 years ago even people who supported Trump would not admit it in public this time around I see a lot of people even around liberal circles are more candid in their support of Trump. It’s not a cultural fauxpax to openly like Trump that’s for sure
Vivek Ramaswamy was very popular with Trump's base. And he can talk to "normal people" much better than JD Vance. Also Ron DeSantis in my opinion is the frontrunner for 2028. Your panel know very little about the American GOP.
JD is waaaay better than DeSantis. I had high hopes for DeSantis and he really let himself down in his run for Presidency namely that he came out and said he wanted to stop the Ukraine war and with the tiniest bit of push back retracted his statement. That’s not what is needed in the top. You need leaders that stick to their convictions.
I agree but his main point still stands; the downright embarrassing ignorance of otherwise based British commentators on US electoral politics is almost endemic. This craven attempt to be seen to be offering critiques of both sides leads to some frankly bizarre contortions. My fellow brits; Its ok to say that the democrats are either insane or the puppets of a corrupt establishment and not have to mention trump’s indecorous social media behaviour
@@kenthhamner2641 y’all are crazy man. I like JD Vance and all but he was nobody until Trump elevated him. Vivek is a much more skilled debater on culture war issues and DeSantis has actually governed a state. The problem is DeSantis is an absolute sh!t campaigner against Trump.
Here is a novel idea...if they had actually run a fair primary and let their own people chose a candidate. Then they would win easily. Even though Cali is terrible Gavin Newsom would have destroyed Trump. Unlike Kamala he can actually communicate.
Pretty sure you're in sparse company to claim it's neutral to say she won their debate. She said absolutely nothing of consequence. Her only "argument" is "I'm not orange hitler".
The panel didn't seem to research the actual demographics of the poor in the United States. In fact, in rural America, the poor represent 15.4% of the population, while in urban American, it's 11.9%. So, you're more likely to find a poor Republican working in a feed store in the farm belt of Iowa then you would an urban minimum wage earning Democrat flipping burgers at a McDonalds in Baltimore, when you adjust for population density. 52% of Americans live outside of the urban and rural areas, in places we call " The Suburbs ". There are suburbs of New York City, just as their are suburbs of Ames, Iowa...or Los Angeles...or Denver, Colorado...Dallas, Texas...Detroit, Michigan... Sacramento (CA)....and, Minneapolis, Minnesota. They are all culturally and politically different in makeup.
I think people underestimate the Muslim andArab community. If they’re voting, they were either born here or became a naturalized citizen. They can love their homeland, but see what’s happening in their own backyards. He just wants NATO to pay their fair share and he represents many Americans who don’t want to be the police of the world.
Not sure how she thinks Kamala can't string together a sentence. Is she watching her interviews? How can she find the former President funny at this point. No, women are dieing. I hope us American Women knock out this nonsense.
Trump has such great comedic instincts, it's given him a worse reputation than he deserves. The 2016 line about Mexicans being "raxxxxpist, murderers, and some are nice people" is hilarious one if You allow Yourself to find the humour in it. Also the line was only delivered bc it was funny; his comedic instincts drive him on stage.
@@happyhunting1000 oh! Was just asking out of interest! Shame you got the bot vibe - can assure you that’s not the case. Just wondering what’s so funny from your perspective?
@@vch1935 Well, I will start out saying that I truly love the English. But oftentimes, this particular subset has a "two smart by half" assessment of where the American people are politically.
@@happyhunting1000 I can tell you that I’m not that educated in American politics, and not that smart, but I am curious and from what I learn from UK and American media, it feels difficult to get a clear understanding of where Americans are politically. I just hope that people get a clear idea of what each candidate stands for without too much interference and that they vote with their hearts and heads, and that it turns out ok!
The discussion gives the impression that US politics only involves the issue of 'personality', which is absurdly neglectful of the real dangers of electing Harris.
Unfortunately that's what TDS is. It should always be principles before personalities but many Americans are too blind to see. Maybe even enough to swing the vote her way. More need to wake up.
I mean politics with money and media is an issue of personality. I ran locally. I arguably had the most knowledge of how government works and what can be done to fix problems. I got out spent by tens of thousands of dollars but a young woman whose entire campaign was "I am a mom and homeless people scare me." She won. People want to feel good. They dont care about policy. This is how Trump and Harris are neck and neck and NEITHER OF THEM has actually articulated how they are going to navigate the next 4 years of crisis.
You all are pathetic thinking America’s future is a funny joke! I hope your future spirals down if Trump wins then you’ll see if those jokes will be still funny or you will cringe like the rest of us.
USA USA sort out your democracy USA USA sort out your democracy USA USA lose the daft 18th century colonial divisions in order to reflect your nations attractive diversity
Think Vivek or DeSantis should be the next republican president! JD is great, but he’s still got away to go and like one of them said he’s not got a way with the people yet whereas the other two do!
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The host talking about "a second surprise Trump win" highlights just how out-of-touch the media are with voters. Maybe the first was a legitimate surprise, but these people should have learnt from that
@@davieshq Freddy Gray has been predicting a Trump victory for the past 12 months; he was just framing a question by referencing what the pollster had just said (who had also mentioned a surprise Harris victory to be fair).
Narcisists never see their errors.
@@brundelfly1 ah thanks for pointing that out.
@@kevintewey1157 possibly but this point was nothing to do with narcissism
I won money on Trump getting the nomination and more money on him winning and I did pretty well. It was obvious to me at the time but not obvious enough to put a bigger bet. This time there is no mistake, if you can see through the syrup of MSN bias it is there in plain site.
‘Kamala seems to have done badly recently on interviews’ - Nope. She’s actually had interviews. People are just seeing how bad she is and always has been.
She's always been unpopular and unpalatable. People either didn't know or completely memory holed 2020 and her entire career as VP where no one gave a damn about her.
Give me a break, bro dude (which you obviously are)
@@js27-a5t Challenges the argument and Not the Person Mate;
@@Izzyknight15 Because she’s really bad at interviews and empty-headed.
Just stop. Its abundantly apparent that the Dem party loves their candidate and Trump can do nothing right while the Rep party idolises Trump and Kamala is completely incompetent.
Asked about Healthcare during the debate, Trump said he had the semblance of a plan?! How is that a good answer? Its not. So criticising her interview answers is fine hut don’t pretend he is any better. She is trying to explain and failing while Trump doesn’t even try to explain.
FLORIDA, with 22 million people, has the count done THAT NIGHT and an ID is REQUIRED
Florida counts early voting and mail in ballots early, so they only have to count the in person votes on election day. Of course they can finish the count that night.
States that are later than that usually can't start counting mail in ballots until election day.
@@alexishoarehere in the uk we always know by next morning who won. We have a population of 65 million. There is NEVER an argument over counting.
@@daveisbrill luckily you don’t have the Democrats there
For decades (if not longer) we've had the results the day of, or the next at most. After covid and 2020 that magically changed. Nothing weird to see here, and if you think that's weird you're a bigoted conspiracy theorist.
@@alexishoare ALL of the states, honestly its a handful of counties, are very very blue.
Of course they need time, it takes a while to figure out how many votes they need to win.
2020 was rigged and the fix was in months before election day by many factions including forces within the government. Anyone that thinks Trump wasn't screwed is either in on it or in denial.
This woman is a joke. Like most omen she cares more about optics and emotions than reality and policy.
If that was a serious quote about Gove wanting Harris to win, that will be the end of a lifetime of reading the Spectator for me, and underlines how the last government were totally useless, out of touch and further eroded everything that could still be great about our country...
No peoples revolution here i se
Wanting Harris to win doesn't require supporting her policies. It just means you find her the lesser of two evils, which isn't hard to understand when you look at Trump. His policies are unconservative and his personal conduct is revolting.
you are right, Gove is not conservative, he is a bleeding heart liberal
@@musiqueetmontagne Why? Because you may come into close contact with a different opinion?
Gove is not in touch with his subscribers, including me, on this, which is worrying.
The duck should come down and give a $100 to the chap who said that American politics is globalism vs nationalism. Those are the secret woids.
@@Zagg777 Not really accurate... A lot of countries have been trending towards nationalism but few want to completely undo trade. US politics is more about realistic foreign policy (Trump and the new right) vs idealistic foreign policy (Kamala, Democrats, and neoconservatives).
It's not globalism; it's internationalism. Which is the idea that nation states give up sovereignty for the greater good. Its opposite is realism. Don't be tricked into using words like globalism. It's how the internationalists have been using language to discredit realism, which is the idea that international obligations and rules is nonsense on stilts.
Plenty of well-educated people are supporting Trump. We're not stupid. This was a surprisingly good discussion. As a frequent American listener my expectations were low. Kudos.
They may not be stupid but they're incredibly ignorant and naive. Is there a single living dictator that Trump hasn't complimented? My constitution is too valuable to me to let Trump wipe his feet on it again.
I am a white woman with 3 advanced degrees who was born in the suburbs of LA and lived all of my adult life in SF and NYC. I voted DNC every election. I am considered white and my family is middle class. I will vote Trump or RFK Jr (my first choice.). Given that I live in NYC, it doesn’t matter practically. But perhaps more telling, I won’t vote for any Democrat given how woke has overtaken the party. According to the polls I should be voting for Harris. No way. I suspect there are more women in my demographics.
What does woke mean? Letting women access abortions?
How could anyone vote for a potential fascist?
I am not “super rich” but the tax burden on me as a 1% person in their early 30s is a minimum of $100k in additional taxes if Kamala wins for the 4 year term. This is excluding the unlikely event that she can get her “unrealized gains” tax through which would devastate me. I have no way to not be against her since she is villainizing me for my hard work and success. The top 1% already pays 1000x in taxes what our bottom 50% pays. $600 vs $650k a year in taxes. The politicians need to remember who pays the taxes that pays their salaries.
@JamJam0189your TDS is showing. Careful.
@JamJam0189also, please, do tell. WHAT Folly during covid.
Gove is the worst choice ever
Trump is NOT anti Nato! And there is no question where he stands on abortion. States should (according to the Constitution) make the decisions re abortion. The United States is a Republic, and the responsibilities of the Federal government are narrow (or should be).
I genuinely don't understand how anyone would vote for Harris 🤦🏻♀️
@JamJam0189Why? Because you don’t like him or because you don’t like his policies?
@JamJam0189 absolute nonsense he has tonnes of UK support
@JamJam0189 Sanders ? That says it all.
We keep thinking how could anyone seriously think that Trump 'Fascist' would be a good choice? The man should be in jail never mind going for the top job in the world.
@@Hjd10 We ?
Democracy is alive and well? I take your point, lady, but did you see how Kamala became the Dem nominee?
EXACTLY!!
Unfortunately America is now an oligarchy living under Woke Corporatism.
Look what they did to Bernie Sanders.
@@hughlaurie1980 yep!
Yep, forced onto the democrats who ironically claim 'democracy is under attack unless she's elected' Literal clowns.
Joe Biden has an excuse for his word salads. What excuse could Harris provide for her word salads?
...orTrump for his ?
@@joesoy9185
Do you think Harris could do three hours with Rogan? Did you listen?
Could anyone listen to three hours of Harris and not fall asleep or switch off due to the crushing vacuousness?
Quite simply she is thick.
@@turbolevo8703 Just search the internet : "Trump's word salads", which says it all.
@@turbolevo8703 Trump consistently produces hours of rambling Word Salads at rallies. Do you ever listen to more than 20 seconds?
Voted for trump
The quote that this is about the merchant right vs the Brahman left was pure gold.
I visit the USA fairly often since 1989, having a son that is a USA citizen. I do not follow ideologies. However I do listen to individuals and also watch carefully their body language. I am not a Trump fan of his personal attidutes, buit comparing Kamala and the V.P. choice of the Democrats, for me Trump almost looks a champion, a far better choice for sorting the present problems of the Nation. The present Democratic party has unfortunately changed too much from when it was the obvious choice.. I remember when Kamala was the first to be eliminated at the Democrats run off, and do not think she has improved, and has not done anything since to justify anyone's vote, other that she is a woman, and supposed to be of colour.
The Democrats have never been the better or right choice. If we had an honest media and big tech, Hollywood, etc. weren't putting their foot on the scale the Dems would never win. And don't forget how the education system indoctrinates children with extreme ideology starting in kindergarten.
Kalamity Harris will be a disaster ...
Would be
The last election was a referendum on Trump. This one is a referendum on Biden's administration. I find it mind-boggling that Harris didn't distance herself and provide some meaningful policy alternatives going forward. It's why she's going to lose.
She can't because then Biden would undercut her. The deal they struck with Biden is that if he stepped aside they would act like it was so noble and grant him a legacy. If she undercuts him now, she tarnishes his legacy, and he is likely to tarnish her reputation and throw the election to Trump.
You're an idiot - biden was amazing for the country, let's see how trump handles it
Biden's record has objectively been awesome. Real wages up, manufacturing jobs are up, jobs overall are up, inflation is down, stock market is at record highs, when polled people say they are doing better now than under trump.
Yes. I think that is the most salient point.
@@jhonklan3794 Except you're doing your measurement comparing an economy shutdown by the Dems to one restarted. Of course all your figures are great after restarting the economy you shutdown. Lies, damned lies, and statistics. ;)
you will all eat your words if Trump wins.
This election is not a referendum on Trump, but referendum on the double shift going on inside the two parties.
They could do all the counting in one day like we used to, but the politicians made a mess of things.
You should invite Russell Brand to these things, at least he's entertaining within his lunacy.
Great coverage, very refreshing from all the unhinged takes found elsewhere on the internet.
Trump/D.J. Vance/Vivek/Tulsi/Kennedy/DeSantis/Larry Elder versus Kamala/Tampon Tim/The Cheneys/Lizzo/Madonna/JoyReid/Jay Z & the Coven of the View. I cannooooooot chooose. It's just toooo difficult 4 me. I will abstain. Oh dear.
Abstaining is better than voting Democrat though.
@@theglanconer6463 thank you for the comment! I’ve been telling everyone I know that the coalition Trump has been able to put together this election is nothing short of amazing! Comrade Harris and Tampon Tim can have all of the woke and wacko celebrities, the neocons, and all of the out of touch celebrities. I’ll take our new Republican Party of the people any day of the week!
#MAGA2024
@@kevinmcfarlane2752 kev I think you missed the sarcasm my friend
Imagine Harris doing an off the cuff podcast with Joe Rogan for 3 hours .....
Would be the end of her. Sad.
@@neoturfmasterMVS Why are there so many trolls in this comments section? You people disappoint me. You'd rather vote for a fascist, rapist, convicted felon idiot who bribed his way into college and went bankrupt eight times and lies more than you breathe? Jesus what's wrong with you people
As if Trump done well lmao
She doesn't repeat herself as often as Trump.
Imagine any person being able to endure that ! And unedited .
Can't wait to elect Trump and Vance on the 5th!
What did we learn? Barely a mention about policy but that people vote because of their skin colour, where they live, how much money they have and how well educated they are. Fascinating stuff 😅
Kate Andrews voted for Biden LOL, what does she know about Trump supporters?
A NeoCon unfortunately.
She looses my respect for that. I thought that she was bright.
I've liked Kate ever since she tried to confront some of the Question Time basket cases with awkward realities and economic facts.
The Biden support was massively disappointing; she admitted a lot of Trump's economic policy were far more aligned with her own thinking but seemed unable to offer a cogent counter argument for her voting Biden beyond Trump being mean on Twitter.
Her views on importing the third world for cheap labour are wrong headed too.
A liar voted for a senile bigger liar.
A big problem is that too many are focused on either Kamala (previously Biden) or Trump, rather than the current Democrat and Republican philosophies and policies.
Personally I have issues with the Republicans but these pale in comparison to the woke, technocratic, fascism of the Democrats.
Kate Andrews though...quite mid-witted with a strong twist of T.D.S. Trump 2024!
She was an unknown quantity. The more people get to see of her, the less they like her. She’s incredibly offensive.
The funny thing is they tried this already. She ran for President before and she failed miserably. Nobody liked her on both sides, and in all racial groups. Now the media is acting like people always liked her. It's insane. They can't claim people don't like her because of misogyny when the people claiming that never liked her either.
It did not take long for the hitler comments to come up Tells you everything about the spectator. It is also interesting how they describe class that it is the difference between someone ordering beer or wine or those who lecture and those who are lectured to. The way these fools are talking you would think it was circa 1930's UK.
Is Kate Andrews the Kamala on this panel? What a peanut.
Kate Andrews, middle aged woman in a mini-skirt sitting on a low couch. No, no ,no.
She's not middle aged 😂
“A vote for Harris is a vote for nuclear war.” ~ RFK Jr.
With the weirdo Gove running that publication it's all heading down the toilet for them and this pathetic debate doesn't augur well for the future.
Most women better than Kamala; Few men better than Trump. What a match!
Kamala stammers, dodges & cackles out of dark minds & dirty character.
Imagine if The Democratic Machine™ had gotten behind RFK Jr 🤔
I think that the Democratic Party should have chosen Bernie Sanders instead of Kamala Harris. Unfortunately, Nancy Pelosi thought otherwise.
As for JFK Jr, he recognised that the Democrats had morphed into a very different party.
Harris current trajectory is the same as her 2019-20 campeign. Front runner, then slow disintegration the more you see her.
Watch how badly the Dems react to losing.😅
Yeah I can't wait to watch mainstream media after Trump wins. To actually see their faces when they realize that all their propaganda isn't working.
Do you think they will lob baseless accusations of russian interference again?
@@stevebreedlove9760 they probably need a new conspiracy theory- maybe 'this is how Hitler won elections' !!
@@stevebreedlove9760 For his entire second term, yes
‘Kamala won the debate’
Really? Really? All everyone else remembers is Trump being incorrectly fact checked by the two moderators, so it was 3 on 1. This is why you’ve not seen another debate.
KHAMALA was a complete disaster.
Donald was winding them up.
@@Izzyknight15 i totally agree with u those hosts are living in another universe
Are you serious? He was ranting about crowd sizes, accusing immigrants of eating pets and said he had 'concepts of a plan' on healthcare. None of that required any help from the moderators.
@PJH13
Time to get medicine. Your TDS is too gravious.
@@laimingwong4166 Ah yes, quoting him verbatim somehow now qualifies as TDS.
Worlds most boring dinner party live.
That these educated people (well mainly public school boys) are somewhat supportive of Trump , and think he's really funny, is worrying and a sign Trump will probably do it.
All well said , thank you Spec .
I think the choice will be made on the economy.
America is $35 trillion in debt (an historic record)
Cost of living: Grapes cost $10, Car Insurance premiums have gone up 47% since 2021 and, of course, the increasing cost of housing & fuel.
Layoffs, particularly in the tech sector, are rising & new hires are drying up.
Under her tenure, Ms Harris’s home city of San Francisco has:
One of the highest number of unsheltered homeless people in the US
One of the highest number of drug addicts in the US
Biggest exodus of tech jobs from the state due to high taxes, property prices & crime.
The Union Square Shopping Mall has shut due to lax crime laws on shoplifting
Only 27% of lower income households in America think they’re doing OK. Not looking good for Ms Harris.
If there were Primaries, Newsome, Whitmore, Shapiro, RFK would poll ahead. Harris would come 6th. We need new. Elites.
Never Newsom! Most people outside CA can‘t stand him.
One of the things that is new in ‘education’ is the large numbers of people now holding un-valued (not under-valued) frankly ‘silly’ degrees, because of a sillier notion by Blair thst huge percentages of people ought get degrees…even buy them as now, and huge shortages of skilled technical and business people.
So I live in NYC and it’s definitely true that the “shame” of supporting Trump is definitely waning! 8 or even 4 years ago even people who supported Trump would not admit it in public this time around I see a lot of people even around liberal circles are more candid in their support of Trump. It’s not a cultural fauxpax to openly like Trump that’s for sure
American here - this panel is off its rocker.
Excellent, intelligent and highly engaging debate
top notch cringe. Spectators going down hill
Its a referendum of the working class v the elite.
The surfs have had enough.
Maga
Serfs, not surf wave riders.
@@jbchem100ahhh, another elite talking down to people.
It's "serfs", spelled with an e
@@ellie698 He’s probably trying to outwit the YT algorithm
Vivek Ramaswamy was very popular with Trump's base. And he can talk to "normal people" much better than JD Vance. Also Ron DeSantis in my opinion is the frontrunner for 2028. Your panel know very little about the American GOP.
You clearly haven't listened to JD at depth. He's the most down to earth person in recent elections.
JD is waaaay better than DeSantis. I had high hopes for DeSantis and he really let himself down in his run for Presidency namely that he came out and said he wanted to stop the Ukraine war and with the tiniest bit of push back retracted his statement. That’s not what is needed in the top. You need leaders that stick to their convictions.
I agree but his main point still stands; the downright embarrassing ignorance of otherwise based British commentators on US electoral politics is almost endemic. This craven attempt to be seen to be offering critiques of both sides leads to some frankly bizarre contortions. My fellow brits; Its ok to say that the democrats are either insane or the puppets of a corrupt establishment and not have to mention trump’s indecorous social media behaviour
And you apparently have never listened to JD but instead informed your opinion from media.
@@kenthhamner2641 y’all are crazy man. I like JD Vance and all but he was nobody until Trump elevated him. Vivek is a much more skilled debater on culture war issues and DeSantis has actually governed a state. The problem is DeSantis is an absolute sh!t campaigner against Trump.
Laughing at these jokes by these 4 deserves Jail time!!! 🙄🙄😁😑 Brexiteer cheerleaders trying to explain common sense!
The Democrats line of crap just got old and they couldn’t put an appealing face on it.
Here is a novel idea...if they had actually run a fair primary and let their own people chose a candidate. Then they would win easily. Even though Cali is terrible Gavin Newsom would have destroyed Trump. Unlike Kamala he can actually communicate.
Love Freddy’s expressions! 😂❤
Pretty sure you're in sparse company to claim it's neutral to say she won their debate. She said absolutely nothing of consequence. Her only "argument" is "I'm not orange hitler".
It will be at least 4 more years before things settle down.
The host is a cornball lol
Freddy is a f&cking star 🌟
The panel didn't seem to research the actual demographics of the poor in the United States. In fact, in rural America, the poor represent 15.4% of the population, while in urban American, it's 11.9%. So, you're more likely to find a poor Republican working in a feed store in the farm belt of Iowa then you would an urban minimum wage earning Democrat flipping burgers at a McDonalds in Baltimore, when you adjust for population density.
52% of Americans live outside of the urban and rural areas, in places we call " The Suburbs ". There are suburbs of New York City, just as their are suburbs of Ames, Iowa...or Los Angeles...or Denver, Colorado...Dallas, Texas...Detroit, Michigan... Sacramento (CA)....and, Minneapolis, Minnesota. They are all culturally and politically different in makeup.
Very good !
more like a referendum on stupidity
Awesome!! Thanks for hosting the conversation. And wow. You are amazing at hosting Freddy!
Trump 2024
FFS, Kate Andrews.
Totally disagree regarding JDVance. I find him impressive.
what are the chances of the American election being a fare election ?
Nil.
@@LettyK I agree, the political class are too corrupt
Fair - not fare.
@@patriciayeiser6405 my sincere apologies, slap my wrists for being a naughty boy😂😂😂
I think people underestimate the Muslim andArab community. If they’re voting, they were either born here or became a naturalized citizen. They can love their homeland, but see what’s happening in their own backyards.
He just wants NATO to pay their fair share and he represents many Americans who don’t want to be the police of the world.
lovely kate 🥰
Not sure how she thinks Kamala can't string together a sentence. Is she watching her interviews? How can she find the former President funny at this point. No, women are dieing. I hope us American Women knock out this nonsense.
We've seen Cackles' interviews. There's no there , there. (What women are dieing?)
Good debate. Maybe less picking on the lady's choices.
Great questions. Loved the audience
Where did that take place? The Quaker Meeting House in Euston maybe?
"the toss-off states".
Brilliant.
Interesting discussion without the vitriolic partisan politics that is embedded in America.
We have the same in the UK about local government. The difference being that public discussion is either banned or called right wing terrorism.
We will know by midnight on election night
Does Tim Stanley have an Angela Raynor?!
他山之石，可以攻玉
This is a libertarian British show that really capture the political essence of America that American shows fail to do.
40 mins?! On such a fun interesting subject???
What is the point of Kate Andrews as a political pundit ~ ~ She doesn't seem to have any political beliefs / principles ~ ~ Basically a Vacuum.
useful idiot for the establishment (controlled opposition)
She’s interesting to listen to and writes well. I’m quite relieved she doesn’t tie her flag to a mast.
Promise, it will not be anything like close. Trump to win with 310-20 ecvs.
Trump has such great comedic instincts, it's given him a worse reputation than he deserves. The 2016 line about Mexicans being "raxxxxpist, murderers, and some are nice people" is hilarious one if You allow Yourself to find the humour in it. Also the line was only delivered bc it was funny; his comedic instincts drive him on stage.
Biden was a fantastic partner in Afghanistan?????😂😂😂😢
Actually, Kamala has no business claiming to be black according to Candace Owens and Janet Jackson. I think they are right.
Name checks out.
I always find the educated British opinion of American politics, pretty hilarious.
why?
@@vch1935 you give me bot vibes...
@@happyhunting1000 oh! Was just asking out of interest! Shame you got the bot vibe - can assure you that’s not the case. Just wondering what’s so funny from your perspective?
@@vch1935 Well, I will start out saying that I truly love the English. But oftentimes, this particular subset has a "two smart by half" assessment of where the American people are politically.
@@happyhunting1000 I can tell you that I’m not that educated in American politics, and not that smart, but I am curious and from what I learn from UK and American media, it feels difficult to get a clear understanding of where Americans are politically. I just hope that people get a clear idea of what each candidate stands for without too much interference and that they vote with their hearts and heads, and that it turns out ok!
The next few years are going to be great! BOYS WE ARE BACK!!!!!!
Because it's a joke
The discussion gives the impression that US politics only involves the issue of 'personality', which is absurdly neglectful of the real dangers of electing Harris.
Unfortunately that's what TDS is. It should always be principles before personalities but many Americans are too blind to see. Maybe even enough to swing the vote her way. More need to wake up.
I mean politics with money and media is an issue of personality. I ran locally. I arguably had the most knowledge of how government works and what can be done to fix problems. I got out spent by tens of thousands of dollars but a young woman whose entire campaign was "I am a mom and homeless people scare me." She won. People want to feel good. They dont care about policy. This is how Trump and Harris are neck and neck and NEITHER OF THEM has actually articulated how they are going to navigate the next 4 years of crisis.
It is not forgivable for Trump to try to sell the weak to the strong in order to reject virtue in submission to avarice
Americans have it TOO GOOD, and TOO EASY ... to have a Civil War ... LOL! 🙂
19:50 totally true
The racism towards Harris here is truly disgusting. Fortunately, she’s going to win and win big.
Don’t think so mate.
It isn't racism or sexism. THe truth is that she is absolutely dreadful. She will lose.
All trump supporters lol 😂
You all are pathetic thinking America’s future is a funny joke! I hope your future spirals down if Trump wins then you’ll see if those jokes will be still funny or you will cringe like the rest of us.
USA USA sort out your democracy USA USA sort out your democracy USA USA lose the daft 18th century colonial divisions in order to reflect your nations attractive diversity
Should be Aussies we have no class. `Straya
Referendum on discrimination by the Democratic Party
Think Vivek or DeSantis should be the next republican president!
JD is great, but he’s still got away to go and like one of them said he’s not got a way with the people yet whereas the other two do!
Spectator is ghastly.
Offends your delicate sensibilities, Si?
Everyone is devastated for you.
Because you assert it?
I bet you call people fascist.
You’re probably a product of our Soviet education system.
Then why are you feeding them in the algorithm?
@@brianyule1289 because those of us who watch The Spectator expect more, far more. They de-effed up on this one.
@@brundelfly1 your dripping arrogance is annoying. Go away! 🪰
As an American, it is our right to contest an election and is the current presidents duty to ask questions if they think there are problems.
Kate really not interesting or good dont know why she is always on
Agree. Because she’s a woman, American, and some would say, relatively attractive.
terrible sound quality