Wharfedale Diamond 225 Can Sound Better Than You Think!

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    Sound Demo At 9:11
    Original Rating From 2016
    Wharfedale Diamond 225 Bookshelf Speakers ⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️
    Original Price: $449 (Current Price $299, Nov,2019)
    (I would love to add another star after these modification).
    Pros: Everything.
    Cons: None @ This Price.
    Highs:⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️
    Mid-Range: ⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️
    Bass: ⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️
    Sound Stage:⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️
    Price: ⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️
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  • @jpambro5388
    @jpambro5388 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    This modification really works. I played around with different thickness spacers from 3mm to 15mm. I think the 10mm is the sweet spot. It has better clarity and dynamic.

  • @johnnystar007
    @johnnystar007 4 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    Tharbamar, I’m so glad I did the bass mod, for a different reason. When I went to unscrew the bolts at the bottom, I found they were all loose. Now I understand why the midrange sounded so dirty, especially at higher volumes. I guess it’s because the board at the bottom was loose and rattling, creating its own sound. Since I’ve tightened the bolts, it’s so much cleaner sounding.

  • @R-Byte-3D
    @R-Byte-3D 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Dezember last year I was looking for new speakers and listened to every Speaker sample of your videos. without recognizing your review stars i choosed them. after that i read all the comments and your raiting. i bougth them 6 times in white for surround and I'm very happy with the sound and quality. thanks for your comparsion videos!

  • @alext2933
    @alext2933 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    What an excellent, inexpensive mod for the masses. Great content.

  • @MelanicWarrior
    @MelanicWarrior 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    I just bought some Wharfedale Diamond 11.2's a couple of weeks ago, and after watching this video I tried modification using some Scotch-pad furniture sliders. There are about the same diameter and a little less than the width of the speaker's spacers. I drilled holes through them and added them to the spacers. I really do like the sound improvement this experiment made and I thank you for this video.

  • @CrueLoaf
    @CrueLoaf 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Have added the spacers and wow! It does make a difference. The bass has way more punch!

  • @richardp4606
    @richardp4606 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Thank you for this tip! I've bought 8 nuts of 10mm high from the local hardware store for my Diamond 220's. Since I could not find any plastic rings.
    The results: in my view the bass is deeper and louder. And it seems that there is a better and wider spread in the high, mid and low frequencies.

  • @SuperSeltzer
    @SuperSeltzer ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I absolutely love these speakers. These matched with proper external DAC and amplifier are way better than active speakers many times the price.

  • @vincentponzi3524
    @vincentponzi3524 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I did replace the spacers ,got them at Lowes. They only had white so I took a black marker and colored them. They did make a big difference. Thank you!

  • @mediascribble
    @mediascribble 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    A lot of folks mod these speakers (225/220). There's nothing wrong with changing the jumper although it's very subtle how it would change the sound. The jumper you get with the speakers is gold plated tin probably. Copper is better, but surface area covered by the supplied jumpers kind of negates any benefit you'd get using copper/silver, etc. It's real dicey changing the distance of the plinth from the bottom of the speaker. They've been tested to give the best balance the way they are, but if you only change it very little it may suit your tastes better, or worse, and it really depends on taste and environment you play the speakers in, and whether you use a sub, or even the music you play mostly. If you make the gap a millimeter greater, or up to 5 I'd say, the bass actually drops a little with a change in the speaker's timbre/resonance. It does seem to increase resolution a bit. The change won't suit everyone. I have the 220's, and I raised them a little less than 2mm. I'm not even sure if the tuning isn't corrupted, but I listened to one speaker done, and the other not. The modded speaker seemed clearer, and the resonance was still mostly intact. It's been that way a couple weeks doing both, and I may revert. Room sound mods and the equipment/music you use is way more important. (Remember that the speakers as they come use the plinth (bottom screwed in plate) as an extension of the port. If you really want to change the gap you should be changing the port length and/or the hole diameter as well to get the proper tuning. That would take some experimentation or calculations to get right).

  • @igorrybas1217
    @igorrybas1217 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    in my opinion these speakers sound VERY good as stock ones, but thanks for showing your creative side, and keep doing the good work man! love your channel!

    • @Tharbamar
      @Tharbamar  4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Thank you.

  • @rodplanet5901
    @rodplanet5901 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Wow!!!
    Great modification job 👍

  • @mcaddc
    @mcaddc 4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    At first I was sceptical about the sound improvement with the spacers. Then I realized there was that large port on the bottom. I'm surprised that the wharfdale engineers didn't consider the height of the gap!

  • @sudd3660
    @sudd3660 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    i got these 225s and nice to see them get some love and diy to improve them. i liked them so much i was inspired to get into more expensive hifi :)
    i also was aware of the bass issue so i have sealed box speakers now.
    you could possible get better results with the wharfedale if you remove the bottom plate and use hollow or open stands, like my isoacoustic stands.

  • @mykeldg
    @mykeldg 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    These are my 1st real speakers because of your channel. After parting with them 2 speaker upgrades ago, I still think they are the best in that price point. Build quality was better than my kef q350 which are at a higher price point and almost the same as my new dali speakers which are almost 3x the cost.

  • @robertdonald7190
    @robertdonald7190 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Thatnks for this info. I did this mod to my 220's and although the bass port in the base of the speaker is smaller than the 225's and doesn't even have a proper port (it's just a hole in the wood!) it definately made a worthwhile improvement. I'm going to add a proper plastic port as well.

    • @Tharbamar
      @Tharbamar  4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Great to hear, enjoy!

  • @josephreardon5821
    @josephreardon5821 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I installed half inch (12.4 mm) spacers for $3 which produced significantly more bass and a bigger soundstage! I used Copland's Fanfare for the Common Man on a Telarc cd for a test cd and I was blown away by the improvement! Very gratifying. Thanks for your ingenuity!

    • @stevenvitale2683
      @stevenvitale2683 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Where did you locate / purchase the spacers?

  • @Bowtie12oclock
    @Bowtie12oclock 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Nice job! I need to clean the base plate on mine as well so I might as well tweak the sound.

  • @aoelounge6446
    @aoelounge6446 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    This mod adds clarity throughout the frequency range. It changes the sound character slightly, but I love what I am getting in return. Anybody who is curious should give it a try.

    • @aoelounge6446
      @aoelounge6446 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Before the mod these speakers had strong but slightly muddy bass before. After the mod, the bass become strong but clean.

    • @Tharbamar
      @Tharbamar  3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Thanks for the feedback, enjoy!

  • @Plastpackad
    @Plastpackad 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Another tip on D 225: I have been testning some gears back and fourth. Mostly using bare wire for the speakers. Tightening the bindning posts hard every time as one should. One day I actually turned one bindning post when tightening the nob. Opened the bindning post and checked the nuts on the inside. Not tight at all (any more). Most nuts could be turned several revulotions!
    Used a 8 mm long socket.
    Now they are back to former glory. Time to buy bananplugs.

  • @MrStingraybernard
    @MrStingraybernard 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Nice sounding

  • @johnd7268
    @johnd7268 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Thank you so much for this video! I just purchased these speakers for $229. As far as the spacers, I remembered that I kept the strip of spacers that come with TV wall mounts. I actually had 8 of the exact size you used but they are a shiny black, which will work well with the black piano finish!

    • @CinemaDemocratica
      @CinemaDemocratica หลายเดือนก่อน

      Let us know how you get on. I'm thinking about these as the speakers for a jazz-piano-trio-only rig in a smallish room, with an SMSL AO300 all-in-one. Would welcome any reactions.

    • @johnd7268
      @johnd7268 18 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@CinemaDemocratica I was actually really impressed with the more spatial effect it had on the overall sound. The instrument separation is much more apparent! I can hear very subtle details in the music that were not noticeable before. Vocals and drums are way more impactful! Personally, I didn’t notice a huge difference when switching out the spacers, but I may try to test that a different way in the future. Now, I am running these on a Music Hall a15.3 integrated amplifier with CESS-106-6f Bi-Wire speaker cable, analog connected sources using Preffair pure copper RCA cables: Pro-Ject Debut Carbon Evo turntable and streamed music through an SMSL DO 200 MKii. The previous setup was Q Acoustic Concept 20’s connected to an SMSL AO 200 hooked up to the SMSL DO 200 mkii through balanced cables. I am running a 10” Jamo sub with both setups, which is turned down a lot so that it is just noticeable.

  • @nicksummers2252
    @nicksummers2252 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Can I do both mods on the Diamond 220s? And do you have any mods you can recommend for Denton 80th to increase soundstage?
    Never modded a speaker before. This is my first time.
    Always a pleasure to watch your videos.

  • @petersmith4202
    @petersmith4202 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Just doing mine now bit early in uk to play them yet can't wait to hear them my spacers are a bit bigger than the ones you used

  • @lbanias
    @lbanias 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Thanks for the tip! I put some 20 mm plastic washers (leftovers from a TV wall hanger) and the bass is now better, while the mids and highs are the same. Sometime there is still something strange like an "ummmm" that is not really low subbass, but I can live with that. Maybe I should play with speaker room positioning. The beauty is that tracks (pop '80, '90) that do not have bass are are not presenting added bass.

  • @saurabhkaushik7414
    @saurabhkaushik7414 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hey buddy thanks for this video, which av re river. And music amplifier do you use with these??? Sound is simply awesome

  • @kirilkirilov7236
    @kirilkirilov7236 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Thank you , I baed week ago one pair of warfedale diamond 14.4 .!

  • @mrmike18
    @mrmike18 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I did this modification to the spacers, and the difference to me was obvious. I think it cleaned up some muddiness / sloppiness in the lower end.
    I also replaced the bridge plates, and my speaker wire (which was Amazon Basics, copper coated aluminum wire; 16ga) with Monoprice pure copper; 14ga. Between the new spacers, and the bridge plate / wire upgrade, I got a nice overall improvement to the sound for a handful of dollars. Thank you, Tharbamar!
    P.S. I found the spacers on eBay, they seem to be a common bicycle part, and not hard to get.

    • @Tharbamar
      @Tharbamar  4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Awesome, thank you for sharing.

    • @reznikdable
      @reznikdable 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Hi Kensboro,
      Can you please share the name/link of a bicycle part on eBay?

  • @civilcitizen3586
    @civilcitizen3586 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    *WATCHING A lot of your vids* thanks for the tip.. The 225's look much better also.

  • @neonspecter2730
    @neonspecter2730 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I have just done this little mod and there is a noticeably 'cleaner' low end.
    I chose to use chunky 29mm wide spacers however, as when raised up like this I found that the 16mm ones looked a little puny. Purely an aesthetic choice, but I think they look much better than the skinny ones.

  • @cardamoncommon
    @cardamoncommon ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Great, simple project. What stands are those? Thanks.

  • @kajamijo
    @kajamijo 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I re-watched the video again using my headphone to hear the difference , after the modification the bass became deeper and more refined
    I have the same issue with my WD225 and was thinking to do the same modification , your video make me sure that this is the best modification .
    By the way I bought recently and old WD 9.2 speakers , their sound signature is very close to 225 except "in my opinion" the high frequency response is better than 225 , if you have the chance to test them ... don't hesitate :)

    • @beserklee290
      @beserklee290 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I have WD9.2 also it's sound better than 225.Yeah I really hope that he has opportunity listens and review 9.2

  • @kajamijo
    @kajamijo 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    great review, I was thinking to do the same to my WD225 to improve their bass

  • @tophorable
    @tophorable 3 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    Thanks for sharing. These are MONITOR speakers. They are supposed to sound neutral. You have changed the characteristics and made them play louder by strengthening the bass. But they are not neutral now - my impression this improvement was done at the cost of clarity and separation of the instruments on the soundstage, so it could be either improvement or worsening, depending on the music you listen to. But this is a cheap modification and you can always return to the original state, so it's worth trying.

    • @aoelounge6446
      @aoelounge6446 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      I feel I had a different experience from yours. Mine became more neutral, and the clarity and soundstage significantly improved. Bass is not louder, but just cleaner.

    • @hwccheng
      @hwccheng 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I just made the same modification with an 1 inch spacer between the base board and the speaker itself. The base is more clear and less muddy. The change also bring out the mid more. The high is about the same, easy on the top for the ear. Sound stage also opens up more. So it’s well worth the modification… over all, it can match the towers I have, Pioneers SP-FS52. Not as airy as the Heresy but then we are talking a magnitude of differences in terms of price and performance. note: The spacer I used is 1” high. You will have to replace the stock screw if you use anything longer. Very satisfied with the price and performance ratio on this purchase and modification

  • @trolkink
    @trolkink 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I did the spacers today. Tried with one speaker first and the improvement was so evident to my ear! A lot more open sound and Fuller. Really really good!

  • @justanotheryoutubeuser5029
    @justanotheryoutubeuser5029 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Never tried to replace the spacers, worth a shot. In the sound demo, the “boomyness” seemed to lower. Not a bad idea for a small cost.

  • @user-el2zj3pw5r
    @user-el2zj3pw5r 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    11.3 tomorrow coming my way 🥳

  • @CibyDevasy
    @CibyDevasy 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    @Tharmabar Which software or app are you using for wave comparison

  • @MrKrekkie
    @MrKrekkie 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Is there a graph showing before minus after waveform? The net effect of the mods?

  • @enchantress7940
    @enchantress7940 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Could only find M8 15 or 20 mm. Is 20mm going to be too much

  • @kirkcunningham6146
    @kirkcunningham6146 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Does anyone know about the Diamond 3's of the mid 80's?? They were the best satellites of the day...had a pair.

  • @Engleaf
    @Engleaf 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Hi! Nice mod gonna do this for my 225's. My 220c had the reflex pipe plugged with foam from factory so i removed it and im gonna try this mod for it also. Have you tried the 225's biamped? ive had them biamped from new with my Pioneer vsx-933, so not sure if theres a diffrence.

  • @joeygonzo
    @joeygonzo 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    I have a lathe. I can make glass reinforced nylon ( acetal ) as spacers then.

  • @TheAtomsman
    @TheAtomsman 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Where do you buy the spacers online ?

  • @stephen579
    @stephen579 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Where did you get the spacers from?

  • @mikw1809
    @mikw1809 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    The position (height) of the loudspeaker has also changed , this can affect the lower frequency response due to the room. By adjusting the speaker position, the distance from the floor, walls and ceiling will alter the room modes ( those frequencies that are re-enforced by reflections that are in phase with the original frequency ).

    • @OhFishyFish
      @OhFishyFish 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Few centimeters makes zero difference here.

    • @altabriziyehya4735
      @altabriziyehya4735 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@OhFishyFish I know!!! I was like 🤦🏻‍♂️

  • @AH-du8ck
    @AH-du8ck 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Just tried this on my 220,s and noticable difference straight away, more tighter extended bass, with more attack.
    Brilliant Thanks

  • @aleksandartosic2663
    @aleksandartosic2663 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    I listened to diamond 225 combined with denon pma520ae, pma720ae, marantz pm6004 and harman kardon hk980. And the sound is good. Two days ago I bought a yamaha as 701 and got even better sound.

    • @slaving300
      @slaving300 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      I have them with a Adcom GFA-535(first version) and they sound really good, very amazing and high end.

    • @andreassouth1523
      @andreassouth1523 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      I also bought 2 years ago wf 225s with yamaha a-s701.Perfect combination with very very deep lows, crystal highs and sweet mids!

  • @stefanomimmi4351
    @stefanomimmi4351 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    It seems slightly better to me too, I found on ebay some 'Aluminum Spacer Bushing 3/4" OD x 5/16" ID' and 3/8 length, 10 pcs. I could not find any black spacers and aluminum looks good, also it is a little wider.

  • @ryanford495
    @ryanford495 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Can I please ask your opinion between Diamond 225 vs Diamond 11.2

  • @chiquito003
    @chiquito003 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    I wonder if this mod could be done to the Reva line speakers?

  • @classicrock7890
    @classicrock7890 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    You need to try the Evo models, especially 4.4. Surprising sound at this price.

  • @jazzeppelin
    @jazzeppelin 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Have you tried with 15 mm nylon spacers? I ordered both 10 and 15 mm

  • @reptilia7170
    @reptilia7170 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I can confirm this mod works with 220 as well
    At first i was enthusiastic, the base gets a bit more kick and depth.
    This is good for the speakers on their own and would keep it this way if i only had the 2 speakers.
    But i use the speakers with a subwoofer. It is too much for this combination. So i reverted back. The woofer fills in the lack of bass !

    • @MrWARRIORMONKS
      @MrWARRIORMONKS 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      thanks mate. I might try it with my 220s

  • @michaelfischer6522
    @michaelfischer6522 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Best speakers for compressed or Spotify, even 80s Vinyl Sounds more fun then with my other higher prived speakers.
    Do you have a Link for the spacers??

    • @spinachlips14
      @spinachlips14 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      I’m surprised about the spacers.. is this because of placement compensation? It seem that wharfedale wouldn’t have missed using a 1/4 inch of spacing difference.. it seems unlikely they decided this as that was not a cost cut.. so my guess is this mod is a personal ear thing called improvement.

  • @maciekb7555
    @maciekb7555 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Can I get a link to the speakers stand?

  • @marcelanddog3171
    @marcelanddog3171 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hello, anyone has some thoughts on the Wharfedale D320? Are they supposed to be cheaper than these here?

  • @AudioElectronicsChicago
    @AudioElectronicsChicago 4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    😍Wharfedale😍

  • @petersmith4202
    @petersmith4202 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Just heard them it is well worth doing they sound better good idea

    • @adryanf_03
      @adryanf_03 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Do you recommend to do this with the bigger 230's?

  • @jekabsd
    @jekabsd 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I will try this on my 220s

    • @rodplanet5901
      @rodplanet5901 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Hi, how would you rate your 220s now after the modification?

  • @jankowalski593
    @jankowalski593 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    ​@Tharbamar In stock there is too much bass to me - it is a bit slow and overwhelming. Will this mod (taller spacers) reduce bass and make it more responsive, or should I try something else? Please advice.

    • @Tharbamar
      @Tharbamar  4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Yes it will help, also you might want to try with adjusting the placement, thanks

    • @garywong1178
      @garywong1178 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@Tharbamar
      Do you think it's a good idea to raise a pair of 220's with washers taller than 10mm, say 12mm or 14mm. Thanks in advance for your input.

  • @Gabriel-of-YouTube
    @Gabriel-of-YouTube 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    What if you would have gone higher and add some soundproofing self adhesive foam? I think it would further reduce some unwanted resonance.

    • @Tharbamar
      @Tharbamar  4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Gabriel Yes I tried to go higher but bass response was reduced and less depth than I would like.

  • @carlosperez-cr7vp
    @carlosperez-cr7vp 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    ME ENCANTA COMO SUENAN.....DINAMISMO Y REALISMO.....

  • @Plastpackad
    @Plastpackad 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Works great. Any hard plastic will work as spacers. No need to buy originals.

  • @jd5787
    @jd5787 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Hi! Cool video. Looking at buying a pair of wharfedale. Either 10.1 or 225. Quick question: what's the foam on the wall used for exactly please? Why a piece at the center also? Thank you

    • @Tharbamar
      @Tharbamar  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      It was in old house.

    • @jd5787
      @jd5787 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@Tharbamar hi. Sure. But why use them and why behind the speakers and 1 piece at the center/between the speakers please? I am wondering if I would benefit from doing the same. Thanks!

  • @MrWARRIORMONKS
    @MrWARRIORMONKS 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Tempted to do it on my 220s... but I would need to see some objective measurements that show it improves the frequency response first. Anyone done any testing?
    It also would mean removing all the rubber feet to get to the screw holes, which is a pain.

    • @CrueLoaf
      @CrueLoaf 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      I took the sticky rubber feet off. Easy enough. It actually sounds better without the feet. The mod took me 15 mins and certainly made a difference with more bass punch. I even had to turn the bass dial down a little on the amp!

  • @nicksonsandot1024
    @nicksonsandot1024 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    How about the bass response

  • @palapalamala
    @palapalamala 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Hello Tharbamar! is this upgrade good for the 220's? Thank you. I think I'm gonna buy some Diamonds!

    • @Tharbamar
      @Tharbamar  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      It will work great on all Diamond 200 series.

  • @timstipdonk8451
    @timstipdonk8451 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Do you have a link for the spacers? I would love to try this on my diamond 220's!

    • @1Poe
      @1Poe 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      probably you can also buy a car fuel hose and cut it. it is solid 8 mm rubber tube that should fit on the screws aswell

  • @sachininspright
    @sachininspright 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    In my experience a speaker’s sound never improves by any peripheral mods. The sound either muddles up, or worse, loses some part of the music (which can give a false sense of clarity).

  • @Anthony-cc8bx
    @Anthony-cc8bx ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I think the Mogami links is the big factor. Clearer sound.

  • @sparayurji
    @sparayurji 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    not the same speaker, but with the same 'mechanism'. i'm experimenting with the 11.3, that i find lacking punch in the middle-low by default, and i found that removing the plate and putting the spikes in its place (they fit in the same holes) gives back the punch in the lows. basically all it matters is the distance of the mouth of the reflex port from the floor. in your case you increased it, in mine i decreased it, with opposite results

    • @weaselpopper
      @weaselpopper 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      This is correct I found the taller the spacing the less punch and tightness but with more spread sounding low end extension.I went just a bit over stock by 1/16" to keep the punch and add just a little.

  • @PrinceFluffy
    @PrinceFluffy 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I avoid using jumpers, I just trim a bit of the speaker cable off in the middle of the cable wrap it around bottom post then trim the end and wrap around top post, then tighten on the knobs, so just the two posts connected to my speaker cable and no jumpers required...

  • @nirajktm
    @nirajktm 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Hi Tharbamar, could you pls review some Q acoustics speskers in your channel please? Concept 20, 3030i etc thank you, have been checking your reviews and enjoy them, cheers

    • @Tharbamar
      @Tharbamar  4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Maybe one day, thanks

    • @nirajktm
      @nirajktm 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@Tharbamar thanks

  • @casterngonsalves5641
    @casterngonsalves5641 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Hi Tharbarmer! If I do this mod for my 225, do I also need to do the same to my 220c centre channel speaker which is a part of my home theatre system? If so, do I have to do it in the same way? Will the centre channel sound better?

  • @achn2b
    @achn2b 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I've got a pair of 220's on the way, do you figure that this small mod would work just as well for them?

    • @Tharbamar
      @Tharbamar  4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Yes, I think it can benefit from this mode.

  • @Panslapper
    @Panslapper 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Hi
    Can you tell me what AWG that copper wire is? It looks pretty thick...maybe an 8 awg?

    • @Tharbamar
      @Tharbamar  2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Yes it should 8 wag if I remember it right, thanks

  • @dougneumann7517
    @dougneumann7517 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    If i am using an SVS sub with the 225s, would adding the larger spacers still result in any improvements?

    • @Tharbamar
      @Tharbamar  4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      It will improved in clarity of overall sound.

  • @angelmelo350
    @angelmelo350 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Hi! Is there much difference in sound in Diamond 220 and 225? Both models have lower price right now, thanks!

    • @mykeldg
      @mykeldg 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      just the bass

  • @alberttan9667
    @alberttan9667 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    What do you think of the latest wharfedale diamond 12.2 compare to 225 because I can't make any decisions which one buy? Pls advise. Thanks.

    • @mhnoni
      @mhnoni 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      looking for the same answer.

    • @ramondelgado6778
      @ramondelgado6778 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      Both are awesome, but sound signature is totally different, to my ears. The older 225 is warmer, darker, more mellow/smooth sounding, with a full bottom end and the top end is very rolled off. The 12.2 is more dynamic sounding with a brighter top end, faster bass and the vocals are a bit more recessed. So if you like a more analytical, detailed sound, go for the 12.2. However, if you prefer a more laid back, mellow, warmer, non-fatiguing speaker, go for the 225.

  • @getzfan1258
    @getzfan1258 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Made a big difference...where did you get spacers from?

    • @Tharbamar
      @Tharbamar  ปีที่แล้ว +2

      A little bit different but similar spacer here
      amzn.to/3O5Rkri

    • @weaselpopper
      @weaselpopper 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      You can use anything to space these. I used a thick ss washer added to stock spacer on my D220`s and used a ss nut slightly wider than stock spacer for my D225`s. I bought the spacers he recommended but didn`t use them anyway.

  • @Chris-sj5fh
    @Chris-sj5fh 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Have owned and enjoyed 225s for 6 mos but wonder if I can improve on sound I'm getting. Can anyone give suggestions on ideal placement, angling, distance from wall and such? Also I'm powering these with a fairly basic AVR the Denon AVR-S750H, would they benefit greatly from better amp? Thanks

    • @ramondelgado6778
      @ramondelgado6778 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      They will DEFINITELY sound better with an upgraded amplifier. MUCH better!!!

  • @tee-jaythestereo-bargainph2120
    @tee-jaythestereo-bargainph2120 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Those 225s must pair well with your warm powerful sounding Denon IVR 2000 , Have you tried them with any other integrated amps or 2 channel recievers or recievers ? Dame good job on the modification ,lettting the woofer to breath better espically at louder volumes ! Liking the your channel alot !

    • @Tharbamar
      @Tharbamar  4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Yes I did with Parasound Halo Combo and Sansui AU907MR. thanks

    • @rodplanet5901
      @rodplanet5901 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@Tharbamar HI, M curious how these speakers sound with Sansui.
      Could you pls share your thoughts about the combination?

    • @Tharbamar
      @Tharbamar  4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      JRRL Llegado They sound well controlled and dynamic while retaining original sound signature with tight bass, thanks

    • @tee-jaythestereo-bargainph2120
      @tee-jaythestereo-bargainph2120 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@rodplanet5901 Sansui has that amazing Vintage Neutrality sound signature thats very balanced in the Low mids and highs not one of them over coming the other so basically you can get a very good idea of the true sound signature of just the speaker . Sansui was an amamzing Company in their Audio gear One of my favorites right beside Nakamichi And Luxman

    • @rodplanet5901
      @rodplanet5901 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@Tharbamar thanks Tharbamar!

  • @user-el2zj3pw5r
    @user-el2zj3pw5r 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Would this serve purpose to wharfedale 11.3 ?

  •  3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Hello Tharbamar, which speakers do you recommend Wharfedale Diamond 220 vs JBL Stage a120? I see you love your 225, but also said only good things about the JBL.
    Thanks

    • @Tharbamar
      @Tharbamar  3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Sound is subjective but D220 have better build quality than A120, those JBL sound great but I can’t listen them for too long due to some brightness in upper frequencies.

    •  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@Tharbamar thanks

    • @Cherrytea558
      @Cherrytea558 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Better still get the JBL Stage A 170s. I have them and they are amazing.

  • @user-gz5fw3yn9f
    @user-gz5fw3yn9f 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Hey. Thank you for the video. Which budget amplifier is better to take to Wharfedale Diamond 225? I choose between Yamaha A-S201 and Denon 520AE. Thank you

    • @aleksandartosic2663
      @aleksandartosic2663 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      My vote goes for 520ae. I had this amplifier. I used with 225 and 720ae and marantz pm6004. I am currently listening to them with hk980.

    • @user-gz5fw3yn9f
      @user-gz5fw3yn9f 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@aleksandartosic2663 Thanks for the answer. And if you choose between Denon 520AE and S.M.S.L AD18, which one is better?

    • @aleksandartosic2663
      @aleksandartosic2663 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Buy denon pma520ae or pma720ae.A later get dac.

  • @wymotome
    @wymotome 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    So instead of just "guessing" at spacer height, why not just remove the bottom plate and do some experimenting/listening/frequency graphs as to how the sound changes when the height is raised? Or has that been done already and this is the best result?

    • @joeygonzo
      @joeygonzo 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      playing by ear works best

    • @cestquoica
      @cestquoica 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      I tried that. removed the bottom plate and placed the speakers on stands with some space between them. they sound quiet hollow and week(relatively). I don’t really believe I have sensitive ears and the difference was quite obvious.

  • @annguyenvan630
    @annguyenvan630 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hi Sir! May i know what the name of the Amply used test? Dennon ? Thanks sir

    • @Tharbamar
      @Tharbamar  4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I use Denon PMA2000IVR amp, thanks

  • @lpspinners8736
    @lpspinners8736 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    The upgrade of those longer spacers did sound noticably better, very much so in the lower bass.

  • @danne957
    @danne957 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Anyone know if I can safetly put in foam bunges in the bassport, even if its down firing? Slightly too much bass, due to bad position. Thanks in advance!

    • @Tharbamar
      @Tharbamar  2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Yes you can even at the slot will help.

    • @danne957
      @danne957 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@Tharbamar Thanks alot for your response! What do you exactly mean with even at the slot?

    • @Tharbamar
      @Tharbamar  2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Slot is the opening gap at the bottom. Thanks

    • @danne957
      @danne957 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@Tharbamar Do you mean that I take off the four black spacers and put the bottom part against the speaker bottom with no space inbetween?

  • @arvinlozada1076
    @arvinlozada1076 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    What do you call that spacer? Any brand or any recommended materials? And how bout the wire? What brand and specs thanks.

    • @Tharbamar
      @Tharbamar  4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Everything is covered in my video, the one I used is same material and size as original spacers, wire is Mogami W3104, Thanks

  • @zulumax1
    @zulumax1 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Sounds like you lost the attack and dynamics on the drums as a trade off of better airflow to the port. I am borrowing my son's 225's and the biggest difference in sound I have found is the grille for the tweeter changes the sound.
    Danny Richie of GR Research did a frequency graph of these and found with measurements the grille changes the measured response. Personally I prefer the sound with the tweeter grilles on, with them off they sounded too sibilant and horn like. The grilles seemed to make the sound more natural to my ears.

  • @benlee421
    @benlee421 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    I'm a big fan and I bought a pair of Diamond 225 after I watched your review. I also followed exactly how you changed higher washers. The difference is amazing. They were good before but they sound great now! All highs, mid and bass are better with more details. Ever the sound stage is wider. I guess is because more air is coming out at the bottom. How did you figure this out while even the manufacturer didn't know? Anyway great job and please keep going.

    • @Tharbamar
      @Tharbamar  3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      It was just a little experiment, it does take this speaker to whole new level. Thanks

    • @benlee421
      @benlee421 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@Tharbamar I just changed to pure copper jumpers and the 225 gets even better. The sound stage is deeper and wider. More details too! Thanks a lot for the advice!

  • @Wrecked01
    @Wrecked01 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Any links to the spacers online?

    • @vpan76
      @vpan76 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      You can try to purchase it here www.grainger.com/mobile/product/GRAINGER-APPROVED-Round-3ZMU5?breadcrumbCatId=11571&fc=MWP2IDP2PCP

  • @45billyva
    @45billyva 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    hopefully you can get your hands on the new EVO large bookshelf with the AMT tweeter.. those look interesting and affordable.

    • @Tharbamar
      @Tharbamar  4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      May be I will request one for review, thanks

    • @45billyva
      @45billyva 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Seems they are at a reasonable asking prices . I think What Hi-fi gave one of their new floor standers a positive review.. Wharfedale must have new leadership ?. Their direction has been very positive in resurrecting their name.

  • @soulgalacticlover7281
    @soulgalacticlover7281 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    With the modifications, how would you compare it to the PSB Alpha P5?

    • @Tharbamar
      @Tharbamar  4 ปีที่แล้ว

      They’re both great and smooth sounding speakers but I like D225 a bit more for deeper bass and richer sound, thanks

  • @akisakis9420
    @akisakis9420 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    οι αποστάτες κάνουν στα ηχεία Wharfedale Diamond 240;

  • @Deke1
    @Deke1 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Have to admit, the pre-modded speakers sound better to me

  • @susanreyes9871
    @susanreyes9871 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    You should try diamond 11.2

  • @pengasus
    @pengasus 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Or if your budget allows, you can get 11.2s. They have insane bass. I don't know if it makes sense but the bass sounds full bodied and deep

    • @Tharbamar
      @Tharbamar  3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      It’s not my main speaker, thanks