This is awesome, thanks for taking the time to make a comparison like this! The hardware certainly has a special vibe to it and sounds more like "authentic" jungle (if there is such a thing). Would be interesting to see how close you could get to the hardware sound with something like TAL-Sampler with it's vintage modes
at least on the ESI, the sample rate was 22,050. What was it on the Akai? What was the DAW sample rate set to? 22,050 constitutes a pretty large high-end cutoff. If the DAW is set to 44,1 or higher, that would account for such a discrepancy on the same material, yeah? Also, if you sample the breaks at a higher pitch and then tuned them down, that will of course also cause a substantial loss in the high end. Was that exact same resampling process done in the DAW version? (sure, Ableton's sample interpolation algos will sound different than the Akai and that would constitute an interesting direct comparison in itself, but that's another matter). Put the same break into the Akai from the DAW (or vice versa), both sample rates & bitrates exactly the same, no other processing or tuning on either unit, then record the direct output of the Akai into a contemporary soundcard, then match either recording's amplitude levels precisely to the number. Guaranteed the difference will be far more subtle then! (don't get me wrong, i enjoyed the video!)
I had a brief introduction to tracker music production with something similar to Octamed from an Amiga Format cover disc something like 30 years ago. Only recently have I seen what was truely capable from that software when audio interfaces and samplers are brought into the mix. No pun intended. Over the last 10 years I have dabbled with Sunvox on my PC and Mobile to produce tracks with its tracker and very modular interface. Things truely have moved on from the LCD menu diving of the past. Groove boxes are my current go to for making tracks and jams now, then finish them off in a Daw.
I was trying to figure out why a lot of tracks I hear these days that use classic breaks sound weird, but this kind of explains it. The sound quality is definitely different when you use raw samples. I think the more clinical style of that stuff like sinthetix works with DAW, but it doesn't do raw without a lot of extra post processing work. Good video, I like your behind the scenes vids!
Nice video! I was actually kind of hoping I wouldnt hear the difference, but there deffo is a tonal difference! I prefer the hardware:) is it the upper mids on the hardware that sound better in hardware? Would be interesting to do same thin gbut running rx950 on the daw?
i’m at the beginning of the video, but i recently noticed how pigments is like, too clean. ravegenerator2 is like, far too dirty for what i wanna make. but luckily logic’s sampler is a nice middle ground. it has some aliasing in the sample rate conversion, but feels just right to me. though i did once pre-filter a sample and set up a mix between it and the original so high notes wouldn’t alias so much.
ok most of the way thru, i think this is in part from the pitched up recording, even if it recorded at the same sample rate, it now is using less, and is most assuredly not doing a perfectly clean and correct interpolation to get the output. add onto that any filters (like to prevent aliasing when recording in, and on the output) and any nonlinearities in between its cpu and your sound card, and that would also affect the tone.
some filtering, nonlinearities, and changing the sample rate could probably get you pretty close, at least close to a generic mix of samplers of the era, even if not exactly the same as any one.
Oh jesus the difference is huge. No I'm thinking about how to recreate the hardware sound on a computer. I mean you'll never get it 1 to 1 but I don't care about that
I prefer hardware, my tracks aren't as bad. my ableton mixes fall apart after a while and I can't be arsed making anything there anymore cos it sounds rubbish. I cant do all that engineering and layering bollocks.
I didn't think the difference would be that big, hardware has the insta vibe from having less prominent highs. Thanks for doing this, absolute legend.
I think using both together would give a great sound across the whole frequency range
its funny how the daws technically better sounding but the hardware is actually better sounding
This is awesome, thanks for taking the time to make a comparison like this! The hardware certainly has a special vibe to it and sounds more like "authentic" jungle (if there is such a thing). Would be interesting to see how close you could get to the hardware sound with something like TAL-Sampler with it's vintage modes
dang both sounded so cool haha
ANOTHER 12BIT JUNGLE VIDEO!!!
Hardware sounds more real and present.
at least on the ESI, the sample rate was 22,050. What was it on the Akai? What was the DAW sample rate set to? 22,050 constitutes a pretty large high-end cutoff. If the DAW is set to 44,1 or higher, that would account for such a discrepancy on the same material, yeah?
Also, if you sample the breaks at a higher pitch and then tuned them down, that will of course also cause a substantial loss in the high end. Was that exact same resampling process done in the DAW version? (sure, Ableton's sample interpolation algos will sound different than the Akai and that would constitute an interesting direct comparison in itself, but that's another matter).
Put the same break into the Akai from the DAW (or vice versa), both sample rates & bitrates exactly the same, no other processing or tuning on either unit, then record the direct output of the Akai into a contemporary soundcard, then match either recording's amplitude levels precisely to the number. Guaranteed the difference will be far more subtle then!
(don't get me wrong, i enjoyed the video!)
I've been inspired to make some "straight off the vine" Jungle from watching this. Cheers
Wicked!!!
@@12BITJuNGLEOuTTHeReThe jungle is massive?
I had a brief introduction to tracker music production with something similar to Octamed from an Amiga Format cover disc something like 30 years ago. Only recently have I seen what was truely capable from that software when audio interfaces and samplers are brought into the mix. No pun intended. Over the last 10 years I have dabbled with Sunvox on my PC and Mobile to produce tracks with its tracker and very modular interface. Things truely have moved on from the LCD menu diving of the past. Groove boxes are my current go to for making tracks and jams now, then finish them off in a Daw.
Lovely, really appreciate the vibe of these videos. Nice and calm
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That setup is a dream come true. Keep on keeping on.
DAW - more perfect. HW - more betterer. Suspect DAW is a broader bandwidth, and HW is more 'rolled off' but more harmonic content.
I was trying to figure out why a lot of tracks I hear these days that use classic breaks sound weird, but this kind of explains it. The sound quality is definitely different when you use raw samples. I think the more clinical style of that stuff like sinthetix works with DAW, but it doesn't do raw without a lot of extra post processing work. Good video, I like your behind the scenes vids!
Love your content. Keep it coming G
keep up the good work, thanks for sharing your processes
I know there's a producer named something like "12 Bit Jungle". Looks like I've found his youtube :)
Great video. Miss my hardware samplers especially eps16+. My after grab an esi while they’re still reasonable
great stuff mate
Nice video! I was actually kind of hoping I wouldnt hear the difference, but there deffo is a tonal difference! I prefer the hardware:) is it the upper mids on the hardware that sound better in hardware? Would be interesting to do same thin gbut running rx950 on the daw?
Might do a little short and put the 3 next to each other 👍
both sound cool!hardware hits a littler harder
Hardware had more body and weight than the DAW, which sounded thin and toppy.
You can easily emulate the hardware sound in Ableton though.
what is the keyboard that is used tucked under the monitor
That’s the computer, the Amiga 500 👌
i’m at the beginning of the video, but i recently noticed how pigments is like, too clean. ravegenerator2 is like, far too dirty for what i wanna make. but luckily logic’s sampler is a nice middle ground. it has some aliasing in the sample rate conversion, but feels just right to me. though i did once pre-filter a sample and set up a mix between it and the original so high notes wouldn’t alias so much.
ok most of the way thru, i think this is in part from the pitched up recording, even if it recorded at the same sample rate, it now is using less, and is most assuredly not doing a perfectly clean and correct interpolation to get the output. add onto that any filters (like to prevent aliasing when recording in, and on the output) and any nonlinearities in between its cpu and your sound card, and that would also affect the tone.
some filtering, nonlinearities, and changing the sample rate could probably get you pretty close, at least close to a generic mix of samplers of the era, even if not exactly the same as any one.
This is an easy subscribe for me. Eassy!
Cheers man appreciate it 👌
sick !
Hardware deffinately has a crisper sound to it.
Yeah there a little more punch in the high mids.
IMHO It's the "flaws" in the hardware that make it so good, Ableton is almost too perfect
Agree 👍
Where did you get the OLED screen for the esi?
Pretty sure it was just an eBay find?
Oh jesus the difference is huge. No I'm thinking about how to recreate the hardware sound on a computer. I mean you'll never get it 1 to 1 but I don't care about that
That’s actually an idea I’m gonna explore in the next video 👌
I prefer hardware, my tracks aren't as bad. my ableton mixes fall apart after a while and I can't be arsed making anything there anymore cos it sounds rubbish. I cant do all that engineering and layering bollocks.
Yeah I know what you mean. With the hardware there an instant character and if that’s what you’re looking for then a lot of the work is done.
Bear in mind your interface which converts your analogue to digital might be shit ..... We lose so much of the analogue vibe through this way.....
It’s not shit 😆 really like the RME stuff. Mines the fireface 800. An oldie but a goodie 👌