My Chinese 12 gauge semi-auto shotgun needed some tacticool touches, and the Black Aces Tactical rail seemed like the perfect option. It went on with a minimum amount of custom fitting!
If you clear the weapon then take off the plastic housing around the gas system you can run toothpaste, and metal polisher thro the acton it will make it super smooth, and also look for imperfections in action where the bolt slides over the trigger arm
Boo...can I call you Boo? I just picked up the SAS12. I was just stumbling around the "Interweb" looking for Mag fed Shotguns when I came across it. Right away, I started looking on TH-cam for unpacking, breakdown, maintenance & Modifications. After weeding thru them YOURs stuck out b/c Your Research, Enthusiasm & Ingenuity. Thanks for sharing the links to the adapters for the Tach Stock.
Booligan, would think that you should check the gas ports of the Piston assembly, for that maybe the issue there. Also I'll probably see if I can make a few aftermarket parts for it when I get mine
That's what I ended up doing. The gas ports on mine had burrs and weren't manufactured very cleanly at all. I drilled them out to the same bore size throughout and then cut the barrel to 19" and filed down the rough burrs in the bore from drilling out the ports.
No updates? Let me guess its not working as good as you hoped? I got 1500 or so shot on mine from bird shot to hot slugs. I can't for the life of me see how so many people having trouble fixing the SAS12 when it is so easy. Good for me I suppose it keeps'um cheap.
Fractured Hearts it’s working great after I opened up the gas port a little bit. No updates because I’ve got LOTS of other projects in the works and this one is done.
Fractured Hearts yes, it’ll run high brass bird, slugs, buck, etc. I was very conservative with my gas port enlargement so I wouldn’t overgas it with slugs/buck/etc.
What are you calling high brass? I can run anything in the 1oz range @1235fps or better. 1 1/4 I need 1200fps. My home rolled tactical loads with 7/8oz slugs and 3 aught move at about 1300+ easy on the shoulder but still have plenty of power. Over gassing that would be hard to do. The gas piston/system has the volume of a small dirt bike. If you cut down the barrel 19 inch's you will have big troubles. I had to rebuild the gas system @ 20 1/2ins. but I can now run anything but the lightest of loads and still shoot shoulder breakers on the same gas piston On a side not I have a working prototype 10 round mag in the works.
Did you ever break it in and cut the Barrell? I actually bought one of these from center-fire systems last year when they were on sale for $109.00 but I haven't fired it yet
Hey Mate, I was looking around EBay and came across the "Warhammer" for the 500. I value your opinion. Will it also fit with a little modification. I think it is missing the smaller slot continuation for the bolt.
Shoulda Listened to YOU!!! I tried to save a few $$$ and found a WarHammer rail for about $65 Long story Short...I think I waisted my $$$! I'll start saving for a Black Aces Rail. I saw on Reddit the finished product with 19" barrel. Did it still function as designed? I am searching for a muzzle brake also. Time(& $$$) will tell Cheers
Hi, I've tried this combination and had some problems, the stock loosens up after repeated firing, the the reducers aren't strong enough and will shear after time, if you Dremel too much out from the stock the blowback from the bolt will hammer the 40mm bolt right back out and you'll be left holding a receiver in front of all your friends (that was pretty funny, Billy BadAss to Dumb Schmuck in 0 - 2 minutes lol) the screws that hold the rail obviously weren't field tested for repeated use and will shear off; you'll be left with broken screws in holes drilled into your shotgun... Just thought I'd provide some product testing info for you. All these failures occurred within the first 20 rounds.
Why did you have to dremel out the stock? Also why are use using such a long bolt? As for the rail just why? all you need is a small bit of rail for the receiver and a smaller bit on the barrel if you want to use AR sights.
Greetings Booligan! I'm ordering a muzzle brake(clamp on) and I got .855 for the outer diameter of the barrel at the 19" mark. Does that sound correct?
Hey man I gotta give it to you...she is beautiful I'm a big fan of mag fed shotguns and then SAS 12 is my first one...I just Purchased it today and should have it in three days And i Can't Wait to mess around with it..Have you thought about getting a Cerakoting on it?
You did an amazing job there buddy. Love it! Love it! Hatfield has a similar SAS platform but not magazine fed. Do you think i can use that same configuration on the Hatfield sas?
+Darkskin Diogenes the flashlight is a Wowtac A3, but any 1” light will work. There is no special mount, it attaches uses the barrel clamp that the rail system is secured to.
Already did and got it running great at 19" long. Why do you say not to cut the barrel? It's fully legal to do so as long as the barrel length remains over 18".
Sometimes on gas guns, when you cut the barrel, you lesson the time the gas has to act on the piston working the action. I saw another review on this gun, where the owner had cut the barrel and the gun didn't work reliably anymore. I guess you could open the gas ports some if needed. But, you said you already cut yours and it is holding up fine. Good deal, am happy for you!
@@genesmiley3727 Yeah, the gas ports needed some polishing and opening up a smidge for a broader range of ammo capabilities even before cutting the barrel. These aren't super reliable guns in stock form, so cutting the barrel did require some tweaks to make it run better, but that was part of the plan for this build all along.
If you’re talking about your “$2000 Mossberg 500 Build” listing a bunch of ATI parts, an Olight, and listing a Trijicon RMR sight (that’s actually an Amazon tier Pinty red dot), then I’ll pass 😂 Good luck with the channel. Pro tip: if you’re going to brag about your parts, make sure they’re actually the parts you’re bragging about and that they’re actually worth bragging about in the first place. And don’t like your own comments, it’s cringe. Take care!
This is awesome! What type of sights are your using?
Very nice..looks great
wow that thing looks fantastic
+ribs Rtuil thanks, I’m really happy with how it’s come together.
dude that thing is fucking righteous.
I want to see an update on this! Would be cool to see some 3d printed 10 round mags and maybe a printed forearm.
Everything you did to this Shotgun...is dope, and you got it done on the cheap too, thats what matters.
Love it. Need an update video.
Hey, that's a nice flashlight. Where did you get it. What is it call?
That is an awesome gun and accessories kinda looks like a B.A.R
Colt Monitor style BAR!
If you clear the weapon then take off the plastic housing around the gas system you can run toothpaste, and metal polisher thro the acton it will make it super smooth, and also look for imperfections in action where the bolt slides over the trigger arm
Looks like you spent more on attachments than the gun is worth. YOU A CRAZY MAN!!!
That looks nice!
That was a lot of work for a shotgun that has 5 rd box fed mags. However, it looks awesome. Good modifications.
Boo...can I call you Boo? I just picked up the SAS12. I was just stumbling around the "Interweb" looking for Mag fed Shotguns when I came across it. Right away, I started looking on TH-cam for unpacking, breakdown, maintenance & Modifications. After weeding thru them YOURs stuck out b/c Your Research, Enthusiasm & Ingenuity. Thanks for sharing the links to the adapters for the Tach Stock.
Just watched the Black Aces Rail!!! Love It!!! Have you come across any Fore Stock/Grips that are interchangeable or adaptable to the SAS12???
I haven’t found any other handguards for it unfortunately.
Can this be done to the sas 20 gauge Hatfield?.
Damn that looks awesome!
Booligan, would think that you should check the gas ports of the Piston assembly, for that maybe the issue there. Also I'll probably see if I can make a few aftermarket parts for it when I get mine
That's what I ended up doing. The gas ports on mine had burrs and weren't manufactured very cleanly at all. I drilled them out to the same bore size throughout and then cut the barrel to 19" and filed down the rough burrs in the bore from drilling out the ports.
Remember to use High Brass to break it in.
You don't need to do that.
Slick! It looks like a pretty modded, retro batte rifle.
No updates? Let me guess its not working as good as you hoped? I got 1500 or so shot on mine from bird shot to hot slugs. I can't for the life of me see how so many people having trouble fixing the SAS12 when it is so easy. Good for me I suppose it keeps'um cheap.
Fractured Hearts it’s working great after I opened up the gas port a little bit. No updates because I’ve got LOTS of other projects in the works and this one is done.
Done? What range of ammo can you use? Can you run birdshot long with slugs in the same mag?
Fractured Hearts yes, it’ll run high brass bird, slugs, buck, etc. I was very conservative with my gas port enlargement so I wouldn’t overgas it with slugs/buck/etc.
What are you calling high brass? I can run anything in the 1oz range @1235fps or better. 1 1/4 I need 1200fps. My home rolled tactical loads with 7/8oz slugs and 3 aught move at about 1300+ easy on the shoulder but still have plenty of power. Over gassing that would be hard to do. The gas piston/system has the volume of a small dirt bike. If you cut down the barrel 19 inch's you will have big troubles. I had to rebuild the gas system @ 20 1/2ins. but I can now run anything but the lightest of loads and still shoot shoulder breakers on the same gas piston On a side not I have a working prototype 10 round mag in the works.
Did you ever break it in and cut the Barrell? I actually bought one of these from center-fire systems last year when they were on sale for $109.00 but I haven't fired it yet
Yep, and I need to do an updated video on it soon.
Did you do a build video so we can see how you installed all your upgrades?
Hey Mate, I was looking around EBay and came across the "Warhammer" for the 500. I value your opinion. Will it also fit with a little modification. I think it is missing the smaller slot continuation for the bolt.
Shoulda Listened to YOU!!! I tried to save a few $$$ and found a WarHammer rail for about $65
Long story Short...I think I waisted my $$$! I'll start saving for a Black Aces Rail. I saw on Reddit the finished product with 19" barrel.
Did it still function as designed?
I am searching for a muzzle brake also. Time(& $$$) will tell
Cheers
Hi, I've tried this combination and had some problems, the stock loosens up after repeated firing, the the reducers aren't strong enough and will shear after time, if you Dremel too much out from the stock the blowback from the bolt will hammer the 40mm bolt right back out and you'll be left holding a receiver in front of all your friends (that was pretty funny, Billy BadAss to Dumb Schmuck in 0 - 2 minutes lol) the screws that hold the rail obviously weren't field tested for repeated use and will shear off; you'll be left with broken screws in holes drilled into your shotgun... Just thought I'd provide some product testing info for you.
All these failures occurred within the first 20 rounds.
Why did you have to dremel out the stock? Also why are use using such a long bolt? As for the rail just why? all you need is a small bit of rail for the receiver and a smaller bit on the barrel if you want to use AR sights.
140 bucks for your stock? ATI? I got mine 29.99 at center fire.
Fractured Hearts that’s the MSRP for the entire stock, Mount, and pistol grip assembly. This setup is currently $90 on center fire systems
Damn you are right . I should have got more then one. Your is the ATI shotforce?
Fractured Hearts it’s the ATI T3
Ah I see. Hell even the Shotforce has gone up to 57 or 67 bucks. Like I said I should have bought one then one @29.99.
Greetings Booligan!
I'm ordering a muzzle brake(clamp on) and I got .855 for the outer diameter of the barrel at the 19" mark. Does that sound correct?
Hey where can I get the link to the parts you’ve added on to the shotgun?
Hey man I gotta give it to you...she is beautiful I'm a big fan of mag fed shotguns and then SAS 12 is my first one...I just Purchased it today and should have it in three days And i Can't Wait to mess around with it..Have you thought about getting a Cerakoting on it?
Nice
You did an amazing job there buddy. Love it! Love it!
Hatfield has a similar SAS platform but not magazine fed. Do you think i can use that same configuration on the Hatfield sas?
Hey buddy, who makes the front and rear sight to mount on the rail? I need a set and am having trouble finding them.
I used sights from an airsoft Skorp Evo. Basically, much cheaper version of this: shop.cz-usa.com/ProductDetail/366000000001_Evo-Sight-Set
Booligan Airsoft and Shooting Sports thanks so much!
tell me please, is the trigger guard metal?
Wgat flashlight and mount dud you use?
+Darkskin Diogenes the flashlight is a Wowtac A3, but any 1” light will work. There is no special mount, it attaches uses the barrel clamp that the rail system is secured to.
What all ammo to you run in it??
Don't cut the barrel!
Already did and got it running great at 19" long. Why do you say not to cut the barrel? It's fully legal to do so as long as the barrel length remains over 18".
Sometimes on gas guns, when you cut the barrel, you lesson the time the gas has to act on the piston working the action. I saw another review on this gun, where the owner had cut the barrel and the gun didn't work reliably anymore. I guess you could open the gas ports some if needed. But, you said you already cut yours and it is holding up fine. Good deal, am happy for you!
@@genesmiley3727 Yeah, the gas ports needed some polishing and opening up a smidge for a broader range of ammo capabilities even before cutting the barrel. These aren't super reliable guns in stock form, so cutting the barrel did require some tweaks to make it run better, but that was part of the plan for this build all along.
Buy an Emperor Firearms Seylan TH 1950 and get one of these for free.. see www.centerfiresystems.com/p-10572-emperor-firearms-seylan-tm-1950-12ga.aspx
That's a hilariously great deal.
Mines better
Let’s see it.
@@booliganshootingsports umm look at it?
If you’re talking about your “$2000 Mossberg 500 Build” listing a bunch of ATI parts, an Olight, and listing a Trijicon RMR sight (that’s actually an Amazon tier Pinty red dot), then I’ll pass 😂
Good luck with the channel. Pro tip: if you’re going to brag about your parts, make sure they’re actually the parts you’re bragging about and that they’re actually worth bragging about in the first place. And don’t like your own comments, it’s cringe.
Take care!
@@booliganshootingsports dude wtf are you even talking about jealous much nothing on my gun is from Amazon you clown grow a pair you fairy
@@booliganshootingsports I got a m16 with a m203 grenade launcher on it also what’s that from Amazon also clown….
I own 1, that gun weigh 50 pounds, i still love her,
Lol, what? This gun is so light.
Ati is crap.
There are definitely a lot of crappy ATI products. Their stocks are generally fine. In cases like this, they’re the only viable option.
Love it. Need an update video.
That was a lot of work for a shotgun that has 5 rd box fed mags. However, it looks awesome. Good modifications.
Delayed Grats it’s more the fact that it’s a $120 shotgun. The fact that it even shoots is a bonus.