Belt prep is also key. I take a propane torch and run it across the drive faces of the belt to clean off the oil from production. Definitely helps too. Comet is the only thing for my 263cc (same bike as Charles Super Hog build) If I don't use a comet it's going to stretch and have a jerky engagement. They last much longer too.
1 Comet belts last longer than any other belt. I can burn through a couple cheap belts in 1 day. Riding a dingo go-cart, with about the same predator setup, except 8 x 60 sprockets, Comets last longer than 6 months. Good video, when are you going to a garage for all your bikes, yours is getting real full.
Good comparison video! I have the Comet 203589A belt and the 725 Go Power Sports belt. Go Power Sports said the 725 belt works better with the Juggernaut as the belt is slightly longer to get it in more overdrive. I saw someone get 3 MPH more top speed going from the stock belt to the 725 belt, 30 series torque converter with a Juggernaut, 212cc built engine. I haven't had a chance yet to compare the two belts. I have the same Coleman as yours, same color too. 50T rear sprocket. My engine is the Tillotson 212R MK2 with a header pipe and RLV muffler.
Next step would be to compare the $18 three pack of 725 belts from ebay versus GPS's belt. GPS doesn't manufacture these belts. They may be getting them from the same place the ebay seller is getting them from and making a nice profit from the higher price they sell them for.
I’ve tried a bunch of different belts. Biggest difference is that the sizes are all over the place for what are supposed to be the same size belt. Longer, looser belts allow the engine to spin up faster and engage at a higher ratio, resulting in slip as well as ratio variance at the top end. Things got a lot better when I slotted my back plate to adjust belt tension. Lets me use a variety of belts without much difference.
You also have to factor in how hard you're Launching from a dead stop! If you go full throttle from the get go every time we all know that it stretches your belt. And if you do that in consecutive rows It will continue to stretch the belt. So I have learned not to just go for tilt from the take off but Ease into you're acceleration. But we all know there is times when you want to go full bore straight from the rip.
yo black i luv you dawg , i asked myself this same question not even 24h ago w no luck in the forums, havent placed my belts order in yet , hope this vid helps me decide 😎
Definitely worth running the better belts but for the price, it’d also be mad not to have the ebay belts as backup on a ride. Even if they just last long enough to order a good belt, they are worth it.
The 200ex has excellent seating geometry for prolonged street or smooth trail riding, but the RB200 (Re-Branded 200) frames that Coleman bought out from MegaMoto/Monster Moto have a much better footpeg & seat position for rough terrain.
Still running that stage one upgrade on the juggernaut in this video? Im running the belt that came with my cheap amazon torque converter that I put on last year. It probably has about 700 miles on by now and still no fray marks, it has been a great belt. You need to up to 50 or so tooth sprocket and get that cam in its rpm range for making some power. Good video tanks for sharing the results.
Thanks! Check out the CT200U-EX playlist. We have tried many different sprocket engine combos on this bike.I really like the 40 sprocket on this bike with my weight. th-cam.com/video/X0SmAZJ6qW8/w-d-xo.html
Another great video! Wondering, what is that bar between the handle bars and what does it do? Also, I noticed on the tighter belts I can’t really push the bike around when it’s off, like it’s locking up the back tire. You have any of those issues? Thanks again!!!
BlackHorseRacing makes a nice 3 pack of 725 belts that I had great luck with. My Axis bike is still using one i put on back in November and it seemed good last time I rode it. I still would say get the good comet belt if you have the money.
@@Black66 In fact my other 30 series is from them, decent option to look at. I think it wasnt a lot cheaper than the gps comet clone. But it did claim to be rated for 11hp, I dont know for sure but it has taken a beating.
I run a 1PZ belt the same as in the video and I've never had an issue with it. I'm pushing 8 months now and no fraying or damage or an residue and I'm running it on a 440cc stage 2 big block so I don't know what happened with yours. 1PZ has always been good to me even in mud or rain so damage whatsoever. I don't know what to tell you but it ain't a bad belt for the price
He didn’t have the the speedometer on the screen during the two knockoff belts. Makes me skeptical. Hopefully GPS isn’t influencing him, even though he says the video isn’t sponsored.
@Black66 tell me why I'm surfing the Bay place and I see they have a actual Kickstart for these Motors we love it's like 60 bucks I mean my rope lasted about 170 pulls before it broke I count and keep track of everything lol
That was a good speed like Angry Cruizer 203 stated in his comment God that cruizer is something else always coming thru with a thumb and something to say lol
If you plan on putting a built Tillotson 212 on a Coleman ct200uex. Put a chain tensioner on it and you will have replace the clutch every month. I'm running A-10 tooth Max Torx and a 60 tooth rear sprocket. I can smoke every built Predator around here. Should I go with a 30 or 25 tooth rear sprocket when I install a torque converter. I like cruising at 60 mph love running fast close to 70
I would be interested is seeing a test done with the different colors and settings of springs on the driven clutch with say a stage 2 or 3 engine with a broad power band. Thoughts?
I haven't used it yet because im still building my cart but i got the pz belt with my vivor 30 series tourqe converter and it feels like paper or cardboard tou can tell its cheap lol gues im ordering a good one thanks brother
Hey black66 I'm looking into getting the predator 301cc engine, I wanna do a build on it but not sure what to do, I want it running smooth and clean but not sure what parts to get? Would you do a video on the 301cc engine on what you think of it and what kind of build you would like best for it ? You've inspired me to do a lot with mine but i also do use some of the things I've seen you do as well
I bought a warrior 200 and the belt on it was a 669 18 it ended up needing replaced not long after so I bought the exact one and lost about 15mph anyone know how this could happen?
Stock application on what bike? With the pullies as close to perfect alignment as possible any belt should work fine with a stock engine with proper gearing.
@@Deucealive75 thanks, i have a new mega moto 212 pro kit and i installed a stock honda gx160 engine for reliability sake. I want to ride this thing at any given time and I also have a Honda express2 scooter, I have a series of videos on it.
Hey @black66 I'm running a black horse racing belt and a 10-38 tooth front and rear sprocket and a pz 20 Amazon special bored out 2 mm to accommodate airflow besides that it still has the governor and stock internals and I got a top speed earlier of 58 miles per hour on a slight incline whattya think I should do next besides obviously remove the governor after it completed the 20 hour break in period recommended by predator engines?......
@@FukTheGovernment465 actually pretty good last set u ordered was back before Christmas and back then my torque converter was on a go cart and the driver/driven pulley alignments were hella wack but they held true until I took it off the go cart slapped the whole 196 up in a doodlebug frame and she went ka-blooey after I just got done riding it 2 personed across town and up a hill we call miracle mile in my town then I swapped a 213 got the belt alignments correct and hit 60 top speed with a stock engine 11 tooth sprocket on my cvt and a 38 tooth on the rear
@Anti Government4life Last set I ordered 🤣 but they last pretty damn good especially for their price ya can't beat em 20 bucks every 5-6 months is better than like 175 for three name brand comet belts every month almost because those ones like to snap, not stretch and ride the pulley like the black horse racing belts when they reach higher rpms, temp and power
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Belt prep is also key. I take a propane torch and run it across the drive faces of the belt to clean off the oil from production. Definitely helps too.
Comet is the only thing for my 263cc (same bike as Charles Super Hog build) If I don't use a comet it's going to stretch and have a jerky engagement. They last much longer too.
I have to try this
1 Comet belts last longer than any other belt. I can burn through a couple cheap belts in 1 day. Riding a dingo go-cart, with about the same predator setup, except 8 x 60 sprockets, Comets last longer than 6 months. Good video, when are you going to a garage for all your bikes, yours is getting real full.
Man you have me saving up .. selling old stuff juss to purchase one of these bikes
Good comparison video!
I have the Comet 203589A belt and the 725 Go Power Sports belt. Go Power Sports said the 725 belt works better with the Juggernaut as the belt is slightly longer to get it in more overdrive. I saw someone get 3 MPH more top speed going from the stock belt to the 725 belt, 30 series torque converter with a Juggernaut, 212cc built engine.
I haven't had a chance yet to compare the two belts.
I have the same Coleman as yours, same color too. 50T rear sprocket.
My engine is the Tillotson 212R MK2 with a header pipe and RLV muffler.
Next step would be to compare the $18 three pack of 725 belts from ebay versus GPS's belt. GPS doesn't manufacture these belts. They may be getting them from the same place the ebay seller is getting them from and making a nice profit from the higher price they sell them for.
I've tried lots of directions belts. The gopowersports belts always work great for me.
I do like the size selection for the comet belts though if you're not running the backplate.
I agree works great for me as well
It’s like $30 but it’s WELL worth it
I’ve tried a bunch of different belts. Biggest difference is that the sizes are all over the place for what are supposed to be the same size belt. Longer, looser belts allow the engine to spin up faster and engage at a higher ratio, resulting in slip as well as ratio variance at the top end. Things got a lot better when I slotted my back plate to adjust belt tension. Lets me use a variety of belts without much difference.
I’ve never run into the residue issue.
You also have to factor in how hard you're Launching from a dead stop! If you go full throttle from the get go every time we all know that it stretches your belt. And if you do that in consecutive rows It will continue to stretch the belt. So I have learned not to just go for tilt from the take off but Ease into you're acceleration. But we all know there is times when you want to go full bore straight from the rip.
yo black i luv you dawg , i asked myself this same question not even 24h ago w no luck in the forums,
havent placed my belts order in yet , hope this vid helps me decide 😎
Definitely worth running the better belts but for the price, it’d also be mad not to have the ebay belts as backup on a ride. Even if they just last long enough to order a good belt, they are worth it.
I go through a ton of belts.Great video.
genuine comet for cammed/built engines and whatevers handy for my jetted and piped stockers. Thats my mindset on em. another great vid.
. I never knew it even matterd I'm going to get me some of the Gopowersports belts I never knew that was a difference between them
I think if you put a street tire on the back of that thing you'll get different results as well. Made all the difference for me.
Check out the CT200U-EX playlist. th-cam.com/video/jHf9yJmaZLA/w-d-xo.html
I know the piece was about torque converters,but I had to emphasize the changing of the rear tire. I'm runn ing a Carlisle 8" tire 4 ply.
In my opinion go power sports belt and the comet 30series torque converter belts are the way to go
The 200ex has excellent seating geometry for prolonged street or smooth trail riding, but the RB200 (Re-Branded 200) frames that Coleman bought out from MegaMoto/Monster Moto have a much better footpeg & seat position for rough terrain.
I run Comet belts on all my builds well worth the money!
Good video, quality editing.
Still running that stage one upgrade on the juggernaut in this video? Im running the belt that came with my cheap amazon torque converter that I put on last year. It probably has about 700 miles on by now and still no fray marks, it has been a great belt. You need to up to 50 or so tooth sprocket and get that cam in its rpm range for making some power. Good video tanks for sharing the results.
Thanks! Check out the CT200U-EX playlist. We have tried many different sprocket engine combos on this bike.I really like the 40 sprocket on this bike with my weight. th-cam.com/video/X0SmAZJ6qW8/w-d-xo.html
First I love your channel. It just seems fishy the only 2 you showed the speeds was the GPS & the comet belts.
great info thanks for all your work
such a great video. thank u for doing this for us
Another great video! Wondering, what is that bar between the handle bars and what does it do? Also, I noticed on the tighter belts I can’t really push the bike around when it’s off, like it’s locking up the back tire. You have any of those issues? Thanks again!!!
BlackHorseRacing makes a nice 3 pack of 725 belts that I had great luck with.
My Axis bike is still using one i put on back in November and it seemed good last time I rode it.
I still would say get the good comet belt if you have the money.
@@Black66 In fact my other 30 series is from them, decent option to look at.
I think it wasnt a lot cheaper than the gps comet clone.
But it did claim to be rated for 11hp, I dont know for sure but it has taken a beating.
yea i have had only good experiences with those blackhorseracing belts im a big guys too and they seem to be the only ones that last good for me
I would like to see a new Power Sports belt performance. Your old belt was already broken in.
I run a 1PZ belt the same as in the video and I've never had an issue with it. I'm pushing 8 months now and no fraying or damage or an residue and I'm running it on a 440cc stage 2 big block so I don't know what happened with yours. 1PZ has always been good to me even in mud or rain so damage whatsoever. I don't know what to tell you but it ain't a bad belt for the price
He didn’t have the the speedometer on the screen during the two knockoff belts. Makes me skeptical. Hopefully GPS isn’t influencing him, even though he says the video isn’t sponsored.
@@romanleonard2154 hopefully thats the case, unfortunately a lot of reviews are false nowadays regardless of what they say
Thanks a lot 🙏🏿
Been using the genuine Comet belt on my mega Moto pro 212cc for 2 years no porblems
3.55 that's a good 0-30mph imo jus sayin no clutch rattling an what not 💪🏼💯
I think it pretty good with a 40 sprocket. 👍👍
@Black66 def I haven't tried a 40 yet only 56 is my lowest with a 13 t max torque I can't complain 🫣 thanks fOr your reply means alot
@Black66 tell me why I'm surfing the Bay place and I see they have a actual Kickstart for these Motors we love it's like 60 bucks I mean my rope lasted about 170 pulls before it broke I count and keep track of everything lol
He's almost at 88mph docs
Very good data sir ☺️👍
That was a good speed like Angry Cruizer 203 stated in his comment God that cruizer is something else always coming thru with a thumb and something to say lol
Have you tested driven pully's? Genuine Comet v [expletive] Chinese etc.
I'll have to do that
If you plan on putting a built Tillotson 212 on a Coleman ct200uex. Put a chain tensioner on it and you will have replace the clutch every month. I'm running A-10 tooth Max Torx and a 60 tooth rear sprocket. I can smoke every built Predator around here. Should I go with a 30 or 25 tooth rear sprocket when I install a torque converter. I like cruising at 60 mph love running fast close to 70
I have tried MANY different engine and parts combos on the CT200U-EX. Check out the playlist th-cam.com/video/X0SmAZJ6qW8/w-d-xo.html
I would be interested is seeing a test done with the different colors and settings of springs on the driven clutch with say a stage 2 or 3 engine with a broad power band.
Thoughts?
I’ve had 2 belts break on me in 2 weeks I need a durable belt for my mini bike 212 predator
Love the Content
My question is vibration, engine, do you worry about that or have you done anything to stop vibration .
Thanks in advance
I appreciate your videos.
Thanks! I haven't had a lot of vibration issues. You could use silent blocks and rubber mounts to help on the exhaust and motor mounts..
I haven't used it yet because im still building my cart but i got the pz belt with my vivor 30 series tourqe converter and it feels like paper or cardboard tou can tell its cheap lol gues im ordering a good one thanks brother
Wonder how much power one of these 30 series TC's handle..? 15ish maybe..?
11:20 turn on the CC words and see what it says. 😅
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Hey black66 I'm looking into getting the predator 301cc engine, I wanna do a build on it but not sure what to do, I want it running smooth and clean but not sure what parts to get? Would you do a video on the 301cc engine on what you think of it and what kind of build you would like best for it ? You've inspired me to do a lot with mine but i also do use some of the things I've seen you do as well
Very Nice!!
I bought a warrior 200 and the belt on it was a 669 18 it ended up needing replaced not long after so I bought the exact one and lost about 15mph anyone know how this could happen?
What are you using for a fuel tank on that bike?
What torque converter kit is on that mini bike?
GoPowerSports 30 series torq a verter. Here is the link www.gopowersports.com/30-series-gps-torq-a-verter-kit/
Where can I get the cover you have over the belt
GoPowerSports
Which belt would be good for a stock application? I think that the belt that came with my kit won’t last once I start riding it.
Stock application on what bike? With the pullies as close to perfect alignment as possible any belt should work fine with a stock engine with proper gearing.
@@Deucealive75 thanks, i have a new mega moto 212 pro kit and i installed a stock honda gx160 engine for reliability sake. I want to ride this thing at any given time and I also have a Honda express2 scooter, I have a series of videos on it.
Do you sell bikes at all? Or just keem them ?
I sell them from time to time . I might give some away on the channel at some point.
What app do you use to track 0-30?
I use a Dragy performance meter
Get what you pay for that's for sure.
Hey @black66 I'm running a black horse racing belt and a 10-38 tooth front and rear sprocket and a pz 20 Amazon special bored out 2 mm to accommodate airflow besides that it still has the governor and stock internals and I got a top speed earlier of 58 miles per hour on a slight incline whattya think I should do next besides obviously remove the governor after it completed the 20 hour break in period recommended by predator engines?......
Be HONEST how well do those BlackHorse Racing belts hold up?
@@FukTheGovernment465 actually pretty good last set u ordered was back before Christmas and back then my torque converter was on a go cart and the driver/driven pulley alignments were hella wack but they held true until I took it off the go cart slapped the whole 196 up in a doodlebug frame and she went ka-blooey after I just got done riding it 2 personed across town and up a hill we call miracle mile in my town then I swapped a 213 got the belt alignments correct and hit 60 top speed with a stock engine 11 tooth sprocket on my cvt and a 38 tooth on the rear
@Anti Government4life Last set I ordered 🤣 but they last pretty damn good especially for their price ya can't beat em 20 bucks every 5-6 months is better than like 175 for three name brand comet belts every month almost because those ones like to snap, not stretch and ride the pulley like the black horse racing belts when they reach higher rpms, temp and power
@@calebhatler3233 Good to know, me and a few buddies of mine put 200 ish + miles on our karts every month so they need to be dependable...
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Makes sense you get what you pay for!!
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Got one on eBay it is 4" too big
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