SLIP TEST - Volvo XC90 D5 AWD - gen I vs gen II -
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Volvo XC90 2.0 D5 AWD (2018)
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Volvo XC90 2.4 D5 AWD (2008)
#duszaniespokojna #volvoxc90 #awd
I like how you compared the new to the old XC90. Both seem like they've kept their awesome AWD grip.
2007 Volvo XC90 v8 here still going strong, built lik a tank
@Theo A S It is an old car already.
W (winter) is wonderful in the old Volvos, pulled me through a mess a week ago, no real problems even through 5 in of icy snow.
2:10 thought that was the Volvo’s engine
RS1120 indeed it is what you hear, if you got distracted by other things thwn that is your thing
RS1120 no matter what we heard in that Volvo is Yamaha engine 🤣
Lol
@@milanjankovic5499 only v8 was yamaha engineered
Milan Jankovic nope it isnt a yamaha engine
Past and present working very well.
I have three 2006 XC90’s and will not part with them. Two of them are 7 passenger with AWD. Mine is the odd one with front wheel drive and 5 passenger, it’s much quicker and more fun to drive. Plus one 2006 V70. Love them all.
The Volvo XC90 is a great SUV. Excellent engineering!
I know it's less capable but I would still take the old one. That 5 cylinder D5 is awesome.
ast5515 you should hear it in real life 😍😍 my 2005 d5 turbo whistle is the best thing to hear in the morning
@@gangigooga7710 Imagine new xc90 with v8 😮😔
@@okuratwarmianski7993 6.1 seconds to 60 in a roomy SUV isn't quick enough for you?
(Sub 6 seconds in the T8)
@@MountainMetal it is 4 cylinder, boring. Hybrid aswell
@@Phae576 No. The T8 is the hybrid, and if this car is boring to you, there's something wrong with you.
Snob.
Mam stare volvo xc90 z 2003 na ponad 450 tys km używam je na pole i po lesie na dobrych oponach i po wyłączaniu trakcji dosyć sobie radzi napewno nie jest to terenówka ale zabawa w błocie tez fajna
I've got 2007 xc90, steel drive like new!!!
i would love for more volvo videos!
@Antilaakeri So far I have these two XC90 and V60 CC.
Just goes to show... The electronics and traction control might be great for the average driver, but when it really comes down to the crunch, and only one wheel has traction, you can't beat having proper locks on all the differentials.
I missed old volvos engines 😭😭
and old volvos made by ford(P2)** 😢
Вольво Рулит
Would the 2018 model only work, with someone sitting in the back of it? 01:56
Edit: Thats actually two people in the back lol
G Scott Driver's children.
@@4x4.tests.on.rollers since when are children not people lol 🤣
@@4x4.tests.on.rollers joking
Prefer the looks of the first Gen. more iconic
which MY is the gen I? As I remember, the is 3 versions of HALDEX in gen I XC90's.
If I remember correctly it is like:.
03-05 has HALDEX gen 2 (most wheel rotation before engagement)
06-08 has HALDEX gen 3 (1/7th of a wheel spin before engagement)
09-14 has HALDEX gen 4 (immediate engagement)
I'll check it in BorgWarner docs 👍
@@tellyonthewall8751 According to BorgWarner docs - there are all generations of haldex in XC90.
Why on the last test of the 2018 xc90 did you have rear passengers for as the older xc90 you didn't.
Paul Bryan These were children of the owner. We do not drive these cars, there are their owners behind the steering wheels.
duszaniespokojna please, told the do not turning the steering wheel
@fronklin1 Drivers must turn the steering wheel to keep the car in a straight line on rollers, otherwise it will fall down to the side.
If you are going to carry out a test it needs to be set on an even playing field. I,m sure the you could of ask the rear passengers to leave the vehicle or asked a couple of passer bys to sit in the older xc90.
@@paulbryan1969 In case of this car (~2300 kg) two children at the back makes the same difference as full or empty fuel tank.
The 2018 did better than the 2008 on the 3 wheels on rollers and 1 wheel with traction than the 2008. But both did good.
for old XC90, more wheel revolutions were needed for the traction control to work
First gen looks so much better
Are you blind lol
@@kustu haha you obviously disagree 🤣
not sure the last test was accurate or not, but seem the car slide towards its right side, and the wheel partially end up on the side the of roller. That's how both the 2008 and the 2018 managed to get out.. btw Im a proud owner of a 2007 xc90... need to change its differential seal tomorrow :-O
None of them went out of the rollers, no contact with the frame. Drivers correct the sliding by steering wheel.
Should also test the T8 in off-road mode, would maybe perform even better.
Jobathano We will try to do that next time.
@@4x4.tests.on.rollers Would definitely be interested in roller test of the T8 Hybrid system. Have not seen one for this generation of SPA Volvo Hybrid cars yet.
Nowe xc90 było w trybie offroad czy comfort?
troooper100 Na pewno nie offroad, tryb domyślny po uruchomieniu samochodu, kierowca nic nie przełączał.
duszaniespokojna czyli komfort. Dzięki śliczne.
The new model wins by a bit because it has a lot bigger rims , if you take a look that rollers are quite fit for new model, but the tires at bigger acceleration scrarch a bit in so that means grip , older xc90 has smaller rims and tires , so they don’t grip on walls of rollers ...
Ofcourse in 10 years they improved the AWD but here is not a proof :D
In this case the rims doesn't influence the test. Look at the the difference between huge and very small wheels: th-cam.com/video/NVkyZJlox4Y/w-d-xo.html
English below.
Tryb zimowy jedyne co robi to powoduje że skrzynia pomija pierwsze dwa biegi. Jak już robić takie testy to wypadałoby się nie wydurniać i sprawdzić co się w ogóle testuje. Tryb zimowy można sprawdzić równie dobrze bez rolek i nie ma on nic wspólnego ze sposobem rozdziału siły napędowej na koła.
The only thing that winter mode does is that transmission skips two first gears. Because you decided to make these tests, don't make idiotic things such as testing something without having any clue what you're testing. Winter mode can be tested perfectly without the rollers, as he doesn't has anything to do with the way of distributing power between the wheels.
Może wypadałoby się nie wydurniać i sprawdzić, jak pominięcie danych biegów wpływa na pracę układu, w szczególności kontroli trakcji hmm?
Maybe instead of comment about making idiotic things it would be better to find out how skipping the gears affects the operation of the system, especially traction control huh?
Great great
Your rear differential is fucked on 2008.
No one:
Bikers at 3 am: 2:10
Моя любимая марка VOLVO CX-90
I would like to see this experiment tried with car trying to back up on roller (in R).
You can find some attempts on reverse gear in these videos:
th-cam.com/video/NVkyZJlox4Y/w-d-xo.html
th-cam.com/video/nm8BClAjabk/w-d-xo.html
The old one had better motors and you could get it with a V8. The new hybrids ain't going to last as long as the old ones.
Wouldnt trade my 1st generation XC90 to the newer one. Been good to me all these years
@@ibrahimabdulhamid3409 The 1genXC90 is a really solid built car, take god care of it my friend!
But why is the only tire that has grip not moving i dont understand why it's like that????
System must diagnose which wheel has grip and then move it. That's the point of the test.
Сей тэст показывает,что новый Хс 90,не хуже старого.
Верно и обратное утверждение: Старый XC90 не хуже нового. 👍
Новый xc 90 не хуже старого,пока он новый!!!
Are there any difference between awd systems of these two vehicles? As far as i know, both vehicles are normally front wheel drive and send power rear wheels if anything goes wrong with front wheels...
bilgehan anıl Both have Haldex (different generations) and for sure different software for awd system. I don't know how it was set in 2008, but in 2018 this system is for sure proactive, not reactive, so rear wheels are probably powered almost all the time.
@@4x4.tests.on.rollers i know both have Haldex clutches. I have a 2011 Chevrolet Captiva and has similar mechanisms with the old generation xc90 and shows similar behaviour. Probably the reason why the new one shows better performance is the new and complicated software.
@@bilgehananl9318 gardaş captiva nın 4 çekeri çok kötü değil mi diagonal geçişleri falan sıfır gördüğüm kadarıyla,duster bile toz yutturur captivaya...
@@kaan898 Captiva'nın 4x4'ü aşırı gelişmiş bir yapı değil, ön tekerlekler patinaja düştüğünde arkaya aktarıyor gücü. Aslında Duster'ın auto modunun da bundan farkı yok, ikisi de viskoz kavramayla aktarıyor arka tekerleklere. Duster'daki 4wd lock modu da çok farklı değil.
Duster'ın Captiva'ya göre tek avantajı arazideki yaklaşma ve uzaklaşma açılarıdır, haliyle engel aşmalarda Captiva'dan daha kolay ilerleyebilmesinin sebebi bu. Bundan dolayı herkes Duster'larla araziye çıkıp duruyor.
Yoksa her ikisinde de diferansiyel kilidi yok. 3 teker çamura gömülüp tek teker sağlam zemine bastığında ikisi de ilerleyemeyecektir.
Ben Captiva'yı ağır araziye sokmuyorum, ama karda çamurda zorlanmadım bugüne kadar.
Şu an benzer sistemi kullanan diferansiyel kilidi veya gelişmiş elektronik araziye dayalı elektronik sistemleri olmayan hangi SUV'u araziye sürersen sür benzer tepkileri verir.
@@bilgehananl9318 tamam ben de onu diyorum duster bu dediklerini yapıyor canlı gördüm yaşadım ama captiva videolardan gördüğüm kadarıyla tam bir hayal kırıklığı o yüzden sana sordum arac sahibi olarak...
Both have haldex?
Nojus žygaitis Yes.
Hi. Is this test damaging the Awd because its kinda fragile on thoose wheicles
Hi. This test is demanding for awd software, not for mechanics. If there was a heavy trailer behind the car then it would be hard for mechanics to :)
@@4x4.tests.on.rollers yes hehhe. i was always afraid to hard lunch my xc90 because i read somewhere that awd on xc series is very fragile and dont tolerate hard lounches. Thanks 4 rply!
@@nikolakurjakovic2188 It is fragile if you compare it to offroaders with armored transfer cases etc. But it is more than enough for SUV vehicle. Besides there are overheating and overload protections.
@@4x4.tests.on.rollers Thank you on reply!
We have a 2012 XC90 FWD Platinum. its a great SUV.
Interesujące bo xc90 (2008) w terenie po utracie przyczepności staje w miejscu. th-cam.com/video/mkgKZNGtQX0/w-d-xo.html
🇺🇦👍
Super
You could talk us through you results some commentary on what's going on would be good to, i have a older xc90 and would love to know but i am no wiser after watching this, the only people who do understand what the see here is die hard 4x4 fans, but for the average xc90 owner not a chance.
That would be hard to make the same explanation in every video, but this guy does it very well: th-cam.com/video/mryGnENTsoI/w-d-xo.html
Any chance for a CRV? They are so popular here in the US, I'm wondering how they perform these days.
they perform like shit
Lox Lover I still can't find any volunteer with CRV...
Lox Lover CR-V would perform terribly on this test.
so the Chinese changed nothing...same performance 10 years later
Reaction times are different.
If you even fancy to redo this test, please find 1st gen XC90 with a V8. It has a much better tuned haldex software and performs significantly better
Do you have more information about this?
kurka, trzeba było je podpisać bo w 10 lat wizualnie w Volvo prawie nic nie zmieniają
Nawet kolor się nie zmienił 😉
Seems very similar, perhaps with slight advantage to the new model. The new one probably uses 5th gen Haldex, while the older probably 4th?
Lox Lover I'm not sure, but probably 4th generation is in older XC90. New one has 5th.
@@4x4.tests.on.rollers i think its 3rd because 1st gen xc90 launched 2003
@@villepekkala Yes, you are right. Up to 2005 there was 2nd, from 2006 there was 3rd.
@@4x4.tests.on.rollersi think 2009-2012 it changed to 4th gen
@@4x4.tests.on.rollers that would be a great video... All the different generations of haldex on xc90s being tested.
I love my XC90 v8 2005
what if you disable dtsc in the menu?
We didn't try.
Do you use full throttle if car keeps struggling? Or are you always applying full throttle?
The Blitz Full throttle is used only when system is hardly cutting power (like in Mercedes), otherwise it would damage the car. In other cases we use it to the level of traction control effective operation.
Put a t5 or t6 2018 awd vs 2008v8 4.4 awd will leave the 2018s in shames ,
How come?
@@4x4.tests.on.rollers 311 horsepower and 325 pound-feet of torque
@@123wilhelm It doesn't make any difference in this test.
On old XC90 doesnt working good haldex
The Corolla on the back looks gorgeous 🤤
The question here is: DSTC on or off? I'd need to know.
On.
@@4x4.tests.on.rollers would love to see how the old Volvo with dtsc off would perform. If I see mud, I always switch mine off.
@@4x4.tests.on.rollers good video... Thank you.
Witam. Mogę być w błędzie ale każde auto które stanie na rolkach i Doda się dużo gazu to zjedzie od wibracji rolek. Wg mnie oczywiście. Nie jest to reguła oczywiście :) pozdrawiam
Kry Zag Witam. Nie ma takiej możliwości, jest kilka filmów, gdzie kierowcy mocno wciskali gaz, nie pomagało. Można jedynie próbować rozbujać auto.
duszaniespokojna Hej. Widocznie o to mi chodziło. Dał „buta” i poszedł z rolek :) Dzięki za odpowiedź i pozdrawiam ;)
@@kryzag3892 Zrozumiałeś moją odpowiedź? :) Nie da się dać buta i zjechać z rolek.
łośki dały radę :) audi quattro nie dawało rady przy 3 rolkach.
Zależy które 🙂
@@4x4.tests.on.rollers oglądam ten kanał i pamiętam film Volvo v70 vs audi a6c5 , haldex zjechał z rolek a torsen nie. 😁
@@TriumphST-X Bardzo możliwe 🙂 Problemy miało też A4 B6, także któreś A3. Z kolei świetnie wypadło Q7, zatem nie ma żadnej reguły jeśli chodzi o quattro.
За 10 лет никакого прогресса...
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SEBASTIAN KAŹMIERCZAK We have to find a volunteer with such car...
2:10 jak to możliwe?
Lord Krużwil Co dokładnie?
Why there are no passengers in back seat in older version and just in the new one?
Peeticek Peet These were children of the owner. We do not drive these cars, there are their owners behind the steering wheels
duszaniespokojna , told them do not turning the steering wheel
@@fronklin1 Drivers must turn the steering wheel to keep the car in a straight line on rollers, otherwise it will fall down to the side.
Why doesn't the car automatically send power to the only wheel that has grip, not being on the rollers? Does anyone understand that?
Mac D It does, otherwise they still would be standing on rollers ;)
Haha! Your right, but, It takes quite long then
@@MrChielo007 That is more or less the average time for majority of cars.
The car's computer is set up to, as standard, send most power to the front wheels (it's visible in the video) as this is the most efficient. As the computer detects it has no grip at the front, it's trying other wheels until eventually it comes to the one which does have the grip. Due to advancement in computing, you can see that it takes longer on the older car vs the newer model to find the "right" wheel.
Also, most modern 4x4/AWD cars have a limit of how much power they can send to the back. This is because front-wheel drive is preferred due to (as mentioned) being more efficient and safer, since the car will have a higher tendency to under steer rather than over steer.
Question. Did they both have on the same make of tyre with the same amount of grip. ? Are the both auto or manual ? Was it the same driver ?
Tyres do not influence the test. Both auto. Driver only keeps the accelerator pedal pressed and waits for reaction of the car, no other input.
Great way to kill a AWD...
Why?
Must be a reason why MOT won’t test brakes on rollers with AWD...
@@marcwarriner7058 This test has NOTHING in common with MOT rollers and brakes tests. Besides awd cars may be tested on MOT rollers - if they have appropriate option.
Newer one is a little better
тест подтвердил, что китайские автомобиле не хуже европейских
Generally, very poor performance of traction control(s). They can hardly substitute diff lockers in difficult situations.
Sanjin-Velebit Pešut I would rather say very good performance, all tests passed. These are not offroad cars, such systems in luxury cars work very smooth, not aggressive.
@@4x4.tests.on.rollers As I can tell from the videos from YT, it seems that Jeep's Quadra Drive 2 and LR Disco 4 tractions systems works very well, swiftly and reliably. Perhaps many new tc works quite well also but this one seems is lacking in performance. Too many wheel spin before tc comes into play and a situation with only one wheel with traction is definitely disappointing. Even though those are just soft SUV-s, tc should, in my belive, work much better.
Sanjin-Velebit Pešut Three roller test is just fun, that is not real scenario. The most important test is on two rollers and here I see very smooth operation. There are cars which can do it faster, but that is uncomfortable feeling inside...
Another thing is that we did not try with ESP off, just normal setup.
@@4x4.tests.on.rollers possible to do with ESP off?
@@fredd298 No, unfortunately I do not have access to there cars :/
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lol
W nowej XC90 Na tylnej kanapie siedzą 2 dodatkowe osoby. To może diametralnie zmieniać wynik testu
Pieterowsky Dwójka dzieci. Ma to zapewne wpływ na test, ale nie diametralny...
Diametralny dla wyniku ostatniego testu
@@ApokalipsaLudzi Przy masie auta ~2300 kg to mniej więcej taki, jak podejście do testu z pełnym lub pustym bakiem. Volvo V60 CC bez pasażerów wypadło identycznie, więc nie ma tu wątpliwości odnośnie wyniku.
Была хуйнёй , такой же и осталась... с космическим ценником)