First: Using that much wheelspeed is DANGEROUS, both to the drivetrain, and bystanders, AND is a false test because then you're artificially gaining traction on the rollers due to increased friction at that speed. Accept a failed test and move on. I just bought a 2025 CR-V (non-hybrid) and in the snow can confirm the effectiveness of the Snow mode with TC on. I AM disappointed though that Land Rover, Subaru and Jeep (all open and center diffs) can get the TC right, but Honda and Toyota can't. WTF??? Brake the spinning wheels to almost a full stop and the vehicle WILL have no choice but to move. With the individual wheelspeed sensors for ABS and the ECU, it's not rocket science, how can they screw this up so badly?
@@kx8960 First - there is no traction on rollers, no matter how fast you spin them. This is not TFL with smoking bearings. Second - there is not much speed, it's up to 20 km/h. Third - Subaru doesn't have open center diffs. Majority of them doesn't have center diffs at all, just like Honda or Toyota.
@@4x4.tests.on.rollers LOL Wrong, that's actually 100% BS.🤣🤣 Friction rises as a function of speed. Period. ESPECIALLY when the rollers are so much smaller than the car tire that they spin considerably faster. That's why you see (if you bother to look) that as wheel speed increases the car starts to rise up onto the front roller, which it WOULDN'T do if the friction didn't increase. I've done Mechanical Design for over 4 decades, you? I'll link SKF's info. 20kph to zero is STILL enough to cause damage to either. Third, ALL AWD or 4WD vehicles have a center diff of SOME sort. Either like the fully locking one in my '24 Colorado ZR2, or the manually (up to 25mph) locking on in my old 2010 RAV4 AWD V6, or the one in my '25 CR-V. the ONLY time they DON'T, is in a case like my buddy's 2024 RAV4 hybrid (or new Prius) that does NOT have a driveshaft going to the back and instead uses nothing but an electric motor back there. Here's the SKF link (look for the friction chart, maybe you'll learn something... www.skf.com/group/products/rolling-bearings/principles-of-rolling-bearing-selection/bearing-selection-process/operating-temperature-and-speed/bearing-friction-power-loss-and-starting-torque
@@kx8960 Think twice before laughing and commenting. It doesn't matter how many decades you've done if you don't understand what is happening during the tests. As the speed increases - brake intervention is becoming stronger, torque increases and that's why cars start to rise up, pushed by wheels with grip. If you take some old car with no TC and you gradually increase the speed - it ain't rising up, at least to 60 km/h (we didn't try higher speed), it gets stuck on rollers. What you're saying is correct but it doesn't influence the test, it's not that level. When it comes to center diffs - your Rav4 and CRV doesn't have it. Coupler shifting power from front to back is not a differential. And actually you can't lock it in Rav4, you can only put it in permanent mode called lock, which changes the PWM control of electromagnetic coupling. Toyota hybrids are different story.
@@4x4.tests.on.rollers LOL Still laughing, still commenting. I know what I've done for a living, and what it is that you do. Obviously you didn't learn anything from (or can read) a graph. My old RAV DID have a locker, you could FEEL it, and it DETAILED what happened in the manual. It still had open diffs front and rear, but HAD a locking center diff. Gonna tell me my ZR2 doesn't have a center lock as well?🤣🤣 Other than the BS, it was an interesting test.
@@kx8960 1 - you have no idea what I do. 2 - if we're talking about 2010 Rav4 (gen 3) - it doesn't have center diff. There's ITCC - electromagnetic coupling. It is controlled via pulse width modulation, if you press lock button - system keeps high amperes (but not max, it's variable), especially at low speeds - it has nothing to do with locking diff, no matter how manual calls it. 3 - I don't know the system of ZR2, was I referring to it? 4 - why cars with no TC are not rising up?
Сейчас я катаюсь на Хонде 3 поколения.Вывод сделал такой,что поменяю на Хонду 5 поколения,а после неё на 7😊😊😊Хонда 4 поколения и страшная и ничего не может.Старичок 2 поколения ещё живой!Хонда 6 поколения до середины тестов просто удивляла,а потом ,как все стала)Есть над чем работать ещё!!!Следующая хонда должна быть топ.Главное,чтобы не была полностью электрической,ведь это будет ужас...Спасибо за обзор!!!🎉
@@mihai8166 Dear friend, enough is enough. You are putting the same comment over and over again but this is not a good place for manifestos. This is an independent, automotive channel, we are all friends here, no politics.
As always, great comparison video. I own an '05 with 5spd manual (2.4L gas engine), so it was interesting to see how your Gen2 compared with the later cars. I'm surprised it did as well as it did. I wasn't expecting that, because the AWD system seems so poor (to me).
great. I have 2.4 06(fully loaded) love it more cappable than this... interesting. gen 3 had problems.. loot at disk brakes (back) 5:47 .. is stuck I think
Second generation CRV's are Literally 4x4 capable , they have feats that are comparable to that generations Jeep Grand Cherokee ' and Ford Explorer " check out some videos of their Off-road capabilities ' they are Legit !
@@bernardcalloway2205 They are not that capable, it's just a reactive dual pump awd system, quite limited and late in operation. And not all of them are equipped with VSA so even simple diagonal test may be too hard.
9:40 вот в чём самый большой недостаток системы полного привода на 4 поколении. Электронный насос не в состоянии создать такое же высокое давление, как механический DPS во 2 и 3 поколении. При этом хорошо видно, как притормаживается буксующее заднее колесо ради передачи момента на колесо с твердым покрытием. Но, усилий фрикционов с электронным насосом - недостаточно. При этом, минутой раньше мы видим разницу в работе ESP между 2 и 3 поколением, где на 3 поколении хорошо притормаживается одно из передних колес, тогда как на 2 поколении оба колеса вращаются свободно. Если бы на 3 поколении применили алгоритмы ESP от 4 поколения, то 3 поколение прошло бы все испытания без проблем. P.S. в азиатских странах не очень любят цифру "4", поэтому Японцы и не старались, наверное 😅
@@isf4801 There were different configurations in gen 4, including awd programming and ESP/TC programming. Check this out: th-cam.com/video/0vQywG1cfq0/w-d-xo.html th-cam.com/video/QtNqREPTGpg/w-d-xo.html th-cam.com/video/8oyFhP_mGMw/w-d-xo.html th-cam.com/video/d1qq-jdq6qg/w-d-xo.html
@@4x4.tests.on.rollers Друг это двигатель 2 .0 и 1.6, а я говорю про 2.4. возможно я фантазирую, но 2.4 двигатель это внедорожный передний бампер с более высоким углом въезда , это и более высокий клиренс и принудительные первая и вторая передача на коробке передач и по этому я думаю, что американская версия, возможно, оснащается другими настройками полного привода.
@@ДатоХализовI highly doubt that there is any difference. Mechanically the awd system is the same in all versions, there are some slight programming differences. The most torque-full version is 1.6 i-DTEC BiTurbo.
@@4x4.tests.on.rollers К сожалению это не проверить, у вас на тесте не было 2.4. , но мне бы хотелось это увидеть. Удачи вам и вашему каналу, у вас отличные тесты, которые все наглядно показывают.
@@ДатоХализов Τhe 2.4 engine version you mention is the North American version, where the bumper has indeed a higher approach angle because they lack the low spoiler the European versions have for pedestrian protection, it is otherwise the same car, including AWD system and ground clearance.
It would have made it worse because all the power goes to the wheels with no traction. Nothing would transfer to the stopped wheels. Turning the system "Off" where there's reduced intervention ends up being the better solution because the wheels spin faster before the brakes intervene.
@@4x4.tests.on.rollers So, is it the 2005 and 2006 CR-V that has good 4WD capability and a good motor as people say ? I know it is old now but I am looking for a good one.
@@PerryMarshallScott there's an upgrade kit for the rear differential internals that makes them more reactive. You'll find vids about it here on YT. The Gen2 is a great car, especially if you get the face lift model from either 2005 or 2006. There's 5spd manual version available (what I purchased about 10mos ago), but they can been difficult to find. The '05/'06 models don't have the a/c failure, they have a 5spd automatic, instead of a 4spd, plus seat air bags, side curtain air bags, and A-pillar air bags. You also get 16in wheels and VSA(vehicle stability assist) which can be turned off. The rear differentials in the late '05s (built after Dec ?) and the '06's, is quicker to engage, from what I've seen in the vids here on YT. I'm glad I found mine, and it's a great road trip, and ski trip tool.
@@austinado16совершенно верно. Последние авто 2 поколения (рестайлинг) 2005-2006 годов выпуска имеют такую же систему полного привода, как и 3 поколение. Более быстрое подключение осуществляется за счёт добавления шариковой муфты, которая обеспечивает преднатяг и подключает заднюю ось практически мгновенно, давая не весь доступный крутящий момент до того, как DPS заработает в полную силу.
First: Using that much wheelspeed is DANGEROUS, both to the drivetrain, and bystanders, AND is a false test because then you're artificially gaining traction on the rollers due to increased friction at that speed. Accept a failed test and move on. I just bought a 2025 CR-V (non-hybrid) and in the snow can confirm the effectiveness of the Snow mode with TC on. I AM disappointed though that Land Rover, Subaru and Jeep (all open and center diffs) can get the TC right, but Honda and Toyota can't. WTF??? Brake the spinning wheels to almost a full stop and the vehicle WILL have no choice but to move. With the individual wheelspeed sensors for ABS and the ECU, it's not rocket science, how can they screw this up so badly?
@@kx8960 First - there is no traction on rollers, no matter how fast you spin them. This is not TFL with smoking bearings. Second - there is not much speed, it's up to 20 km/h. Third - Subaru doesn't have open center diffs. Majority of them doesn't have center diffs at all, just like Honda or Toyota.
@@4x4.tests.on.rollers LOL Wrong, that's actually 100% BS.🤣🤣 Friction rises as a function of speed. Period. ESPECIALLY when the rollers are so much smaller than the car tire that they spin considerably faster. That's why you see (if you bother to look) that as wheel speed increases the car starts to rise up onto the front roller, which it WOULDN'T do if the friction didn't increase. I've done Mechanical Design for over 4 decades, you? I'll link SKF's info. 20kph to zero is STILL enough to cause damage to either. Third, ALL AWD or 4WD vehicles have a center diff of SOME sort. Either like the fully locking one in my '24 Colorado ZR2, or the manually (up to 25mph) locking on in my old 2010 RAV4 AWD V6, or the one in my '25 CR-V. the ONLY time they DON'T, is in a case like my buddy's 2024 RAV4 hybrid (or new Prius) that does NOT have a driveshaft going to the back and instead uses nothing but an electric motor back there. Here's the SKF link (look for the friction chart, maybe you'll learn something... www.skf.com/group/products/rolling-bearings/principles-of-rolling-bearing-selection/bearing-selection-process/operating-temperature-and-speed/bearing-friction-power-loss-and-starting-torque
@@kx8960 Think twice before laughing and commenting. It doesn't matter how many decades you've done if you don't understand what is happening during the tests. As the speed increases - brake intervention is becoming stronger, torque increases and that's why cars start to rise up, pushed by wheels with grip. If you take some old car with no TC and you gradually increase the speed - it ain't rising up, at least to 60 km/h (we didn't try higher speed), it gets stuck on rollers. What you're saying is correct but it doesn't influence the test, it's not that level. When it comes to center diffs - your Rav4 and CRV doesn't have it. Coupler shifting power from front to back is not a differential. And actually you can't lock it in Rav4, you can only put it in permanent mode called lock, which changes the PWM control of electromagnetic coupling. Toyota hybrids are different story.
@@4x4.tests.on.rollers LOL Still laughing, still commenting. I know what I've done for a living, and what it is that you do. Obviously you didn't learn anything from (or can read) a graph. My old RAV DID have a locker, you could FEEL it, and it DETAILED what happened in the manual. It still had open diffs front and rear, but HAD a locking center diff. Gonna tell me my ZR2 doesn't have a center lock as well?🤣🤣 Other than the BS, it was an interesting test.
@@kx8960 1 - you have no idea what I do. 2 - if we're talking about 2010 Rav4 (gen 3) - it doesn't have center diff. There's ITCC - electromagnetic coupling. It is controlled via pulse width modulation, if you press lock button - system keeps high amperes (but not max, it's variable), especially at low speeds - it has nothing to do with locking diff, no matter how manual calls it. 3 - I don't know the system of ZR2, was I referring to it? 4 - why cars with no TC are not rising up?
Finally, the long-awaited test!
My offer still stands, US made 2016 m.y. 2.4 with CVT gearbox and AWD of course.
It wasn’t made in the US. It was made in Canada.
@Dumontjon is not Canada, it's 5J6RM4 firs vin code so it's U.S. made
Great collection of tests in one video!
Dziękuję za test posiadam 5gen hybrid 4x4 naped działa naprawdę sprawnie
Сейчас я катаюсь на Хонде 3 поколения.Вывод сделал такой,что поменяю на Хонду 5 поколения,а после неё на 7😊😊😊Хонда 4 поколения и страшная и ничего не может.Старичок 2 поколения ещё живой!Хонда 6 поколения до середины тестов просто удивляла,а потом ,как все стала)Есть над чем работать ещё!!!Следующая хонда должна быть топ.Главное,чтобы не была полностью электрической,ведь это будет ужас...Спасибо за обзор!!!🎉
Glorie Ucraina!
@@mihai8166 Dear friend, enough is enough. You are putting the same comment over and over again but this is not a good place for manifestos. This is an independent, automotive channel, we are all friends here, no politics.
Главное, что б в 7 поколении не было маленького турбомотора и хиленькой муфты с электронным насосом))
@@4x4.tests.on.rollersit's not adequate people with composted brain's)) Поэтому мы и имеем такую ситуацию...
@@mihai8166 Todd für die Ukraine
Watch the CR-V grow in size!
As always, great comparison video. I own an '05 with 5spd manual (2.4L gas engine), so it was interesting to see how your Gen2 compared with the later cars. I'm surprised it did as well as it did. I wasn't expecting that, because the AWD system seems so poor (to me).
The AWD in the 2005 and 2006 2nd Gen was upgraded to that of the 3rd Gen.
great. I have 2.4 06(fully loaded) love it more cappable than this... interesting. gen 3 had problems.. loot at disk brakes (back) 5:47 .. is stuck I think
There's nothing wrong with discs brakes.
why it is red?
@@dachicicqishvili8493 It's a reflection of the red car parked aside.
Understand. thank you
Дякую, цікавий тест.
I might as well get an Accord with FWD, as I was going to get the CRV just for the AWD That doesn't do anything
Thanks for this
Some versions do better: th-cam.com/video/0vQywG1cfq0/w-d-xo.html
Honda 2023 e:phev vs e:hev make video please
WTF? the 2nd gen CR-V performed great! Did not know that it was that capable...
Second generation CRV's are Literally 4x4 capable , they have feats that are comparable to that generations Jeep Grand Cherokee ' and Ford Explorer " check out some videos of their Off-road capabilities ' they are Legit !
but it couldn't do the one RWD test
@@bernardcalloway2205 They are not that capable, it's just a reactive dual pump awd system, quite limited and late in operation. And not all of them are equipped with VSA so even simple diagonal test may be too hard.
Ну вот.Теперь посмотрим кто тут самый крутой🎉🎉🎉😊
9:40 вот в чём самый большой недостаток системы полного привода на 4 поколении. Электронный насос не в состоянии создать такое же высокое давление, как механический DPS во 2 и 3 поколении. При этом хорошо видно, как притормаживается буксующее заднее колесо ради передачи момента на колесо с твердым покрытием. Но, усилий фрикционов с электронным насосом - недостаточно. При этом, минутой раньше мы видим разницу в работе ESP между 2 и 3 поколением, где на 3 поколении хорошо притормаживается одно из передних колес, тогда как на 2 поколении оба колеса вращаются свободно. Если бы на 3 поколении применили алгоритмы ESP от 4 поколения, то 3 поколение прошло бы все испытания без проблем.
P.S. в азиатских странах не очень любят цифру "4", поэтому Японцы и не старались, наверное 😅
@@isf4801 There were different configurations in gen 4, including awd programming and ESP/TC programming. Check this out:
th-cam.com/video/0vQywG1cfq0/w-d-xo.html
th-cam.com/video/QtNqREPTGpg/w-d-xo.html
th-cam.com/video/8oyFhP_mGMw/w-d-xo.html
th-cam.com/video/d1qq-jdq6qg/w-d-xo.html
❤ Honda CRV 1.5 Turbo Benzina 193cv automatica AWD 💯👍🏻
А можно ещё увидеть тест Honda Z-vr?
If we only find it...
@@4x4.tests.on.rollersВ Эстонии он есть.Я даже думал в будущем купить его😊А ещё очень интересно посмотреть на Ford Edge🎉
one actually gets the same results with the rav 4,from what i ve seen in some of your previous videos
Yeap quite similar.
Started great , especially new models, but ended with a disaster, as usual :)
Интересно, четвертое поколение с двигателем 2.4 на 190 сил для американского рынка имеет такой же полный привод или в нем есть отличия?
It's rather the same. Here's more: th-cam.com/video/0vQywG1cfq0/w-d-xo.html
@@4x4.tests.on.rollers Друг это двигатель 2 .0 и 1.6, а я говорю про 2.4. возможно я фантазирую, но 2.4 двигатель это внедорожный передний бампер с более высоким углом въезда , это и более высокий клиренс и принудительные первая и вторая передача на коробке передач и по этому я думаю, что американская версия, возможно, оснащается другими настройками полного привода.
@@ДатоХализовI highly doubt that there is any difference. Mechanically the awd system is the same in all versions, there are some slight programming differences. The most torque-full version is 1.6 i-DTEC BiTurbo.
@@4x4.tests.on.rollers К сожалению это не проверить, у вас на тесте не было 2.4. , но мне бы хотелось это увидеть. Удачи вам и вашему каналу, у вас отличные тесты, которые все наглядно показывают.
@@ДатоХализов Τhe 2.4 engine version you mention is the North American version, where the bumper has indeed a higher approach angle because they lack the low spoiler the European versions have for pedestrian protection, it is otherwise the same car, including AWD system and ground clearance.
Почему нет cr v1? ))
@@Игорь-д6в-у2и It's the same as HR-V: th-cam.com/video/7JXiHy-sJ44/w-d-xo.html
As far as I know you can turn the ESP completely off with that "pedal dance". Don't know if it would have made a difference.
It would have made it worse because all the power goes to the wheels with no traction. Nothing would transfer to the stopped wheels. Turning the system "Off" where there's reduced intervention ends up being the better solution because the wheels spin faster before the brakes intervene.
@@scott8919 In a lot of cars this has a positive effect.
SLIP TEST RAV4 gen 2 vs 3 vs 4 vs 5 ?
We are missing the 3rd...
When will you test the second generation Honda HR-v? 2015-2018
@@iko6043 It's all up to volunteers, so far we didn't find any...
@@4x4.tests.on.rollers Which country are you in?
@@iko6043 Poland.
@@4x4.tests.on.rollers Thank you for your attention..You are doing a very interesting job and good luck to you❤️
@@iko6043 Thank you!
so its not a awd its a front wheel drive with rear wheel assist
@@kc03300 It depends which generation.
@@4x4.tests.on.rollers So, is it the 2005 and 2006 CR-V that has good 4WD capability and a good motor as people say ?
I know it is old now but I am looking for a good one.
@@PerryMarshallScott4WD capability of 2nd gen is average. It has only reactive dual pump system.
@@PerryMarshallScott there's an upgrade kit for the rear differential internals that makes them more reactive. You'll find vids about it here on YT. The Gen2 is a great car, especially if you get the face lift model from either 2005 or 2006. There's 5spd manual version available (what I purchased about 10mos ago), but they can been difficult to find. The '05/'06 models don't have the a/c failure, they have a 5spd automatic, instead of a 4spd, plus seat air bags, side curtain air bags, and A-pillar air bags. You also get 16in wheels and VSA(vehicle stability assist) which can be turned off. The rear differentials in the late '05s (built after Dec ?) and the '06's, is quicker to engage, from what I've seen in the vids here on YT. I'm glad I found mine, and it's a great road trip, and ski trip tool.
@@austinado16совершенно верно. Последние авто 2 поколения (рестайлинг) 2005-2006 годов выпуска имеют такую же систему полного привода, как и 3 поколение. Более быстрое подключение осуществляется за счёт добавления шариковой муфты, которая обеспечивает преднатяг и подключает заднюю ось практически мгновенно, давая не весь доступный крутящий момент до того, как DPS заработает в полную силу.
Wow only 2gen and 3rd gen are best than 4th and 5th gen
Yep. It's full mechanical system AWD.