McCain’s wife worried about John when he was a POW. She got into a bad car crash and had to endure painful rehab and gained weight in the process. John came back and thanked her for her dedication to him by asking for a divorce so he could marry Cindy,the other woman. Ross Perot was a good friend of theirs and let John know exactly what he thought of that move,being greatly disappointed. John’s children wouldn’t talk to him for years. I’d be willing to bet that if McCain’s father wasn’t a famous admiral, John would have been grounded for his several flying accidents. He was against Obamacare but felt it more important to stick it to Trump and he cast the deciding vote in favor of it.
@@tylerchapman9234no. She was really banged up bad and actually lost four inches in height. Cindy was an heiress from a wealthy family. Perot said McCain went for the poster girl with money.
Doesn't matter why he voted in favor of it...the fact is he deserved to be hauled over the coals for voting for that POS tax plan and Obamacare had nothing to do with insurance or helping people as it had the exact opposite effect. It destroyed the insurance people had, but the insurance companies didn't complain, because they were and are still getting rich off Obummercareless. He was a selfish, only for himself ahole, pure and simple.
My father was a enlisted aircrewman he served on the USS Intrepid with McCain. According to him and a couple of his old buddies I have met, McCain treated enlisted men like dogs. He showed open distain to any and all enlisted sailors. No matter what else that is the first thing I always think of.
I have nothing but Respect for your father and his Buddies and all who were ever Enlisted,both North and South of the 49THparalell...but my father was Not an Admiral,just an admirable man
I am a retired military and airline pilot and one of my friends of later years was John McCain's primary flight instructor. He recounted to me the problems he encountered teaching McCain in primary flight training. McCain was NOT a proficient primary student. During McCain's primary flight training his instructor recommended "washing McCain" out of flight school. This was met with a change in instructors, and it was made apparent that he was to be 'passed' regardless of his capabilities.
This is a B.S. story. His nick name was Johnny Wet START. He was the cause of the fire on the Forestall Aircraft Carrier. He was shot down by another Navy Pilot for what he did that killed over 140 service men and damn near shrinking the ship. The truth story has been covered up because of who his father and grand father was.
Helps to have a dad and grad dad with four stars. In today's woke military it helps to have a vagina. Notice those two Navy flyers who managed to hit that rather large mountain in Washington State.
Which flight school? My father graduated USNA class 58' and went to primary flight school with him. Do you know where that is? John wasn't necessarily the sharpest tool in the shed when it comes to academics, however he was a street smart, social high IQ person. He didn't care about classroom instruction as much as hands on getting shit done. How do I know? My straight laced, non drinking, Christian father was 2 yrs old than the other plebes/cadets and was often paired up (battle buddy), with McCain on liberty to keep him out of trouble. Pops favorite story was when he lost John at a bar on ego alley and wasn't found until the next morning when an Admiral found John in bed with his daughter. My father was severely punished for failing his assignment! So yes, McCain wasn't a genius or a saint, but he wasn't the stereotypical moron rich kid that F-D up all the time and got by family name alone. Your friend exaggerates, like most people do against people they are envious of. Sure he got breaks others didn't, but I'll bet you no flight instructor would ever pass an incompetent pilot because of pressure from above. Oh wait.....what was that first female fighter pilots name that was totally disgraced? Ok so maybe you have a small point! Hahaha. Point is to dispise the guy for his politics, as many of his classmates and my father did at the end, but don't unfairly disparage his service and POW time. Any one of us could come up with shit talk about even our best battle-buddy if it served our purpose.
I am from Arizona, born there...lived there for 50 years. I met Senator McCain during a land dispute between my family and the state of Arizona. The state was attempting to steal some of our land, and we were fighting back. Senator McCain (at the time) lied to our faces as he supported the state as they stole our land. This told me everything I needed to know about McCain's character. He failed the test. I have entertained the thought that McCain experienced some sort of 'Manchurian candidate' reprogramming campaign some time after his POW experiences. I can't speak about his extra-national alignments during war. If one says something about their nation when under torture, is that really treason? I am not prepared to judge that scenario.
@@crazy8sdrums McCain wasn't for America. He was part of American communist and globalist political agenda for certain. I never understood why , but his actions spoke louder than words. Sorry about your land grab battle.
@@HoldFastAndStoic Which they pay (overpay) fair market value. The rancher debacle a few years ago was because the government ran ranchers off government land that they had used freely for years.
I knew a man affectionately known as "The Colonel" who said he served with McCain. He told me that McCain was the most disliked man on the entire carrier. Said he was a "cocky little prick". I believed him.
I’m no John McCain fan in anyway, but I officiated with a guy who was on his crew (Hope the terminology is correct) during the Forrestal incident. He loved the guy and says the story is not correct. Dude should have never been voted dog catcher, but he gets (My opinion) a really bad rap for this stuff.
I’ve made peace with Obamacare only because I was diagnosed with ms in 2018 and I wouldn’t have been able to get insurance because of the whole “pre existing conditions” crazy to think that was actually a thing they could deny you for.
The truth about McCain's life is questionable, to say the least. We all know that the words "honest" and "political" should never be in the same sentence.
I knew John McCain personally. I have met no one who loved America as much as he did. He exhibited courage not only in Hanoi, but also in Washington, where he held to his convictions, even though it upset his own party. I challenge any of the "several people who served in Vietnam" with him mentioned above to publicly state how he was a bad American. I don't care if they didn't like him, and I would ask if they would compare their military records with McCain's. The anonymous BS against him was just propaganda. McCain's courage was undeniable and his place as a hero in American history will remain.
The most important detail this video leaves out is that when John McCain died, the former head of the Hanoi Hilton said that he and John were very good friends and would miss their conversations. It’s odd that the warden of a prison beating, starving, and killing its inmates would consider one inmate to be a former close friend.
Retired Colonel Tran Trong Duyet is reported to be the head of the Hanoi Hilton, but this is not verified. Duyet said no prisoners were ever tortured--we knew that's a lie. Two things to note: 1) Vietnam needed US aid, and would want to make nice with a future US president. 2) That kind of story would be excellent ANTI-MCain propaganda for his political opponents. You are right, John, to say it is odd. I call it not believable.
Put his military service behind for a moment and look at his political career, he served his own interest and not representative of the people of Arizona, Traitor to the end
Even his military career is full of not stolen, but undeserved valor. He's a fraud who had his career given to him at every step of his life despite being a hot-headed little yuppy pr**k. The second he was captured (Which was his OWN fault mind you) he spilled the beans like a sniveling little coward.
Classic rebuttal by Rand Paul to McStain concerning McCain's attempt to start and fund another neo con war in some third world country was outstanding. He outed and shut down McCain like a surgeon and got up and walked out of the chamber. Stellar performance!
I had a Skipper, Capt. R.J Naughton, who was also locked up with McCain. He had scars on his arms like shoelaces from being tortured. Capt. said you never gave them something for nothing. If they had to work on you to get Information, they would go to someone easier to get information and cooperation. He stated McCain would tell them anything they wanted to know to keep from getting "worked on". McCain earned the name "Songbird McCain." McCain's name was the only name the Skipper ever mentioned during the hour and a half brief. Capt. Naughton was the most outstanding Skippers I ever served under.
John McCain admits in his book Hanoi Hilton,that he didnt owe anything to America and would tell them whatever they wanted to get preferencel treatment.
@@MarciaDiehl-wy5rw No, you're referring to Adm Richard Naughton. CAPT R.J. (Robert "Bob") Naughton became Commanding Officer, Naval Air Station Dallas, TX in June 1984 where he served until his retirement from active duty in January 1987.
John McCain married into wealth. He wed Cindy Hensley. The Hensleys were the sole distributor for all Budweiser products in 80% of Arizona, yet their connections go all the way back to the depression and bootlegging whiskey from Canada, thru the Seagrams. I used to maintain & repair his mother-in-law's airconditioning. She was very open how she didn't like who her daughter Cindy married and plainly stated that John was a horse's ass. I pretty much felt the same
Regarding Bootlegging, I read John was intricately involved in running white stuff up from Mexico into AZ. It makes sense that there was family history in place already.
It takes a horse's ass to pose in propaganda pictures, shaking hands with the leaders of ISIS. Yeah, he did that, the pictures are still floating around the internet.
Considering he was one of the key individuals running around with that fake dossier that he knew was fake. Because he wanted to take credit for bringing in a bunch of illegals to feed the corporate people that he knew in Arizona that wanted to hire all these illegal aliens. And he was thoroughly pissed when he was called out for it and didn't get to do what he wanted. He cried like a spoiled 2-year-old. He knew that there was nothing against Trump and that that dossier was utterly fake and paid for by Hillary Clinton
@@BRuane-pw6xq Right, same with Brandon, Barry, Slick Willie, 🐪, and on and on and on. No Veteran will be endorsing or campaigning for 🐪 though so then theres that. 🤔
As a combat vet I can reapect what he did while a POW but I also know I was part of the first 10 years of Iraq and Afghanistan he was a POS politician.
@@Bizarreparade In all fairness, it might have been a result of what he experienced as a POW - but yeah. It seems more likely he rose to the occasion while a prisoner when he had to, but reverted type after he was freed. I've had two friends who have had very personal dealings with him. One was a soldier testifying before a committee. He was a combat vet involved in testing , advocating for another vehicle instead of the Stryker and he said McCain tore into him accusing him of treason. (No doubt that was because of where the Stryker was manufactured.) The one who knew him better was one of McCain's instructors in flight school. He flunked McCain out of the program, but somehow the man became unflunked - no doubt because of daddy and granddaddy. It's generally "understood" among those in the know that McCain was shot down when, against policy and orders, he felt compelled to do a flyby to perform his own damage assessment of the target. I find the gentlemen who shared that with me to be more credible than the average politician - and the description of his shoot-down seemed more credible than stories of his starting the Forrestal fire.
I always used to wonder does someone hate the troops or something way up higher, the operational task org would change by the month, from hearts and minds to eliminating enemy insurgency in order to support the local military.
McCain was shot down on his TWENTY-THIRD combat mission over Vietnam......and draft dodging Trump called him a loser. Want the video? th-cam.com/video/kUa5dsRcb1s/w-d-xo.html
@@lordofpain3476My Mother never trusted him. Was worried he'd be a Manchurian Candidate after that long in a communist prison. I thing he's another example of what happens to these politicians when the media starts praising them. They become celebrities and that's just so wrong! That's the last thing and of our leaders should be. Or, they stay at least more like Ike. Remained a leader and did what he thought was best for the country, always!
@@Sabotage_Labs McCain was shot down on his TWENTY-THIRD combat mission over Vietnam......and draft dodging Trump called him a loser. Want the video? th-cam.com/video/kUa5dsRcb1s/w-d-xo.html
What a strange comparison. Break it down. How does McCain being starved and tortured for 5+ years compare to Arnold flat out betraying the Union to the British just because he thought the British would win? You are making a comparison that is vastly different. I will take a Medal of Honor recipients word for McCain over Trump or anyone else word on him
The bi-partisan senate investigation cleared Glenn and McCain of any criminal activity, but they did exercise poor judgement getting into business with Keating.
After he returned the Navy gave him a cushy desk job, McCain proceeded to screw his way through the female enlisted personal working for him until the Navy forced his retirement. I won't call him a traitor because he broke under torture, but in just about every other thing he did in life, he was a sorry excuse for a human being. The first thing he did upon entering congress was to get involved in the abscam bribery sting which began his tradition of reaching across the aisle. In short he was a lousy student, lousy pilot, lousy officer, lousy husband, lousy Presidential candidate and definitely a traitor to his political party and thereby the voters and our country.
Good summary, better than I could've put it. I think the whole "McCain's a traitor" thing was the result of people observing his conduct after the war and applying the label after the fact because it was consistent with the man they observed after the war.
There was a lot in there so, just to be clear, reaching across the aisle equates to treasonous behavior. The country was founded on principles of compromise and, in a 2 party system, it’s the only way to have a functional govt.
I agree. I can't say for certain that he was a traitor but his behavior after leads me to believe that there is a high likelihood he was. I would bet that there are videos of him confessing to all sorts of things to get preferential treatment. He was a very narcissistic, vindictive scoundrel of a man
McCain leveraged his threats of caucusing with the Democrats to be a power player when the Senate was split. It was this behavior neither side liked and led a political genius move by Tom Daschle SD who persuaded Jim Jeffords VT to go independent and caucus with the Democrats thus handing the Majority leadership to the Democrats under Dashle. McCain also returned to vietnam as a Senator where others in his party were surprised how loved he was by the north Vietnamese calling him a canary because of how he sang upon capture being the one who informed them he was an Admiral's son. He broke his limbs by not following training upon ejection. His only torture was by the NV doctors who did not know how to properly set his injuries; they took the best of care of him knowing he was a high value prisoner. In summary, John McCain will be remembered as a POS before a POW.
I remember McCain's speech on the senate floor in 2011 where he ridiculed tea party conservatives and called them "hobbits." However, he was good friends with Ted Kennedy and senator feingold. Disgusting!
@@dannyjamison8337 McCain was calling them "little" because of their intolerance. There is no denying that the intolerance existed with Tea Party members, and it shows with their inability to work across party lines. McCain understood that Democrats and others that were from other parties did not share our politics, but they are still Americans. Governance is all about compromise, something that the Tea Party did not understand and was the reason that they could only obstruct and not get any real work done. I don't agree with most Democratic politics, but I also don't agree with the current GOP's "my way or the highway" tactics either. Many of the hardliners would put the US in default to get their way, either because they do not understand the damage that it would do to us as individuals and as a country, or maybe because they just don't care. I miss the old GOP. You know, Ike, Reagan, Bush...
Hero! Bull Sh t, Maverick! Bull Sh t!! Turn Coat you bet. Turned on his constituents with Dems turned on his country over Abbu Graub prison, turned on his V.P. running mate
Not to disrespect his service or his suffering but he clearly had anger issues that can be clearly seen throughout his political career ptsd ? He was a bad choice for office and hurting his own paty !
I don't really have an opinion on his military days, but that he remained in office in his final days, leaving his state completely unrepresented will forever be a stain upon him as it's clear he didn't care about his constituents.
The grub defended obama and obamacare, he backflipped on his career stance to repeal obamacare to spite Trump and maga movement. His words and actions two total different things.
The reason John McCain was blamed for the Forestall tragedy is because as flight chief it was his decision to load the planes with the cheaper older bombs that he had been advised are less stable but he used because they were cheaper. That's not all. He had a nickname "Johnny Wet Start" because he liked to show off when starting his jet by over priming the engine with fuel when starting cause it made a bad ass fireball out the back of the jet. On that fateful day of the navy's worst disaster he did another one of his little west starts and NOW HOW DO YOU THINK THAT OLD BOMB WENT OFF IN THE JET BEHIND HIM HUH?! His father top navy admiral scrubbed the record of his sons culpability. He gave up 6 months of flight operation plans when in captivity. In his old age during the war in Syria around 2014 he coordinated arming AL Queada in Syria with heavy weapons just so they could fight Assad for him, a beloved president that had brought peace and stability to the region. Still to this day our troops are occupying their oil fields preventing that nation from utilizing the resources to rebuild itself. He was a pig and traitor indeed.
A little addition to the facts above ,is the Keating Savings and Loan debacle of which McCain and John Glenn were involved. The pesky citizens never found out to much about that either, also a little side note how do you explain Mcain's nickname " Song Bird Mcain". That was given to him not because he had a great voice.
I served in the navy in the 1990’s, worked with a captain that have been stationed with McCain in the ship, he never said anything nice about that guy, never said anything about him period. But his face would showed anger every time McCain “s name came up
You know what, I tried to listen all the way through the video before commenting. But after hearing that McLame was "solid as a rock," I couldn't stand it anymore. I know some Vietnam Veterans who were in the Hanoi Hilton with McLame. And every single one of them all say the same thing, that he took special favors. This happened when he was in solitary, he had a cot with mosquito netting, he was fed better food. Point of fact, the officers lied about McLame being solid because of McLame's father and grandfather and didn't want their careers being sidelined because of their power within the navy. John McLame was a soft, spoiled navy brat that HAD TO LIVE UP TO HIS LEGACY! Then, later in his political career, he was just as slimy as when he was a POW, he became one of the biggest RINOs. While he's not as bad as Hanoi Jane, he's in the same arena as her. I will always see John McLame as traitor POS, and never have any respect for him or his service, he's no better than Tampon Tim Walz lying about his service!
I strongly agree with you ! Also a Soviet Bloc General defected to west sometime in 70s and stated that the Russians were recruiting US pow s to work as agents for them after release, I STRONGLY believe SONGBIRD McCain was one of them !
I'm go with John Stockdale, and say you're wrong. Unless you think been left in a body cast, having crappy doctors whork on you, and asking if he wanted to be released and saying NO, is special favors.
@@BRuane-pw6xq Well, Clinton didn't serve either, and he conducted one of the greatest military campaigns ever without a single loss to American serviceman. There is no correlation between service and competence. Look at Jimmy Carter.
When I served as part of the commissioning crew on the USS Abraham Lincoln CVN-72 I worked in the navigation dept. The ship's navigator, a full bird capt, had been in one of the squadrons in "Nam with McCain. He once told us that McCain was the worst example of a naval officer he had ever seen and the only reason he was not kicked out of Annapolis was because both his father and grandfather had been 4 star admirals.
Wasn't turner married multiple times? Also he founded tbs. Also turner hasn't owned or controlled cnn for over 20 years now! The cnn that ted turner founded is totally different than today's cnn!
@mike62mcmanus: Ted Turner was "Left" ..Nothing what They are Today...c.n.n Never went downhill until After Cooperate kinda "Took it away" From Turner and He wound up just walking away....He Also DUMPED..jane fonda...They weren`t married long.
My dad always hated her, he was a vet, Vietnam era but he was in south Korea, post Korean war policing action and there was no love or respect for veterans back then and we are from a military/ warrior family
Turner wanted to build an anti Vietnam war memorial back in the 80s.. lucky for him he didn't.. I knew a lot of vets that would have blown up that thing.. but yeah communism News Network.. big surprise
Thanks for watching. Unfortunately bad policies are not treason unless you sell your office for profit to a foreign nation like Biden and the Clintons.
wasn't he buddies with different leaders of isis? I think we need to revamp the definition of treason. If your policies get Americans killed, you should be held accountable
His best two buds in the senate were Linsey Gramnesty and Chappaquiddick Teddy. And LaRaza his favorite lobbying group. The quintessential RINO, finally leaving the senate loafers first was the most patriotic thing he ever did.
@@katiesioux7757 The girl was still alive when the drunken coward abandoned her, and able to breathe for a while in a pocket of trapped air while teddy, more concerned with his reputation failed to report it until it was too late. Had he done so immediately she could easily have been saved. If you can "like" someone of such low character, your standards must be just as low.
@@hiramnoone lmfao I did say I already researched the history. That was a horrible thing. I'm from an AA family, my dad had a motorcycle club and help AA/ NA meetings at the house. I was taught not to hold someone's past against them. Except for of course serial killers and chomos and the likes. No one makes good decisions when they are drunk. I've known a few people who have killed someone when they were drunk or involved in a drunk driving accident. I know the struggle they each went through. I'm not going to argue over dead folks or defend my character to a keyboard rage warrior stranger. I'm just waking up to coffee and you are obviously a very angry person. Have a good day Chill TF out
His military service to a corrupt govt is not my concern. But he was a true traitor to conservative ideals on liberty and freedom, especially regarding 2A.
Waltz? Tim Walz? He doesn’t have any money, he and his wife were both school teachers and he was in the Guard one weekend a month and coached football after school. If you want to find a criminal look at convicted felon Donald Trump who skipped out of prison and more certain federal convictions by being elected president. That is the main reason why he ran again not because he gives a shit about the common man. That whole thing is a con that he got millions of gullible voters to swallow. While president he visited his properties on average one out of every three days forcing the hundreds of people who travel with him to pay jacked up rates for food and lodging at his places. He had a big hotel in DC close to the White House and visiting dignitaries and others who wanted to curry favor with him knew damn well where to stay which is why the Kuwaiti government changed the location of their big annual party to Donald’s hotel when he became president. During slow times at the hotel like COVID-19 Arab governments would rent out entire floors that would sit empty. Shortly after leaving his job in the White House where he sat next to the president doing favors for the Saudi Arabian and Emirati governments Donald’s son in law Jarad Kushner received a total of 3 billion dollars from those 2 governments to invest in his fledgling hedge fund, something that he had no experience in and Republicans still go after Hunter Biden for the messy life he led while in the throes of drug addiction? Tim Walz really ?
Iraq here and Vietnam Vet Erwin Crosby ( poor guy was old when I emailed him ) found out about secret 3 letter codes in dd 214 and did his best talking to McCain. At One point avoiding Cosby and running out the building and wouldn't help or inquire about the codes . The codes were forwarded to employers to not hire Vietnam Vets for any medical reasons for getting out . I've nothing good to say about the man and in politics would give him a Russian retirement out of a second story window.
As an AZ resident for over 55 years, All I can say is maybe John McCain was brave and patriotic when he was in the hanoi Hilton but he was anything but when he got back here and got in the Senate. Regarding his military service as a pilot he crashed three airplanes earlier in his career I think the only thing that kept him from being pretty much reassigned or drummed out of the service was the fact that there was an admiral involved in his family. If not I think he would have been shuffled out as being incompetent or at least not allowed to fly. In one of the incidents he was flying in A7 where he was too low and used improper ejection procedures and was injured. You have to wonder if that was the same exact thing that happened to him when he was shot down in Vietnam? When he was doing his presidential run against Obama I remember seeing him doing a town hall meeting on TV. I cannot remember where it was located but I do remember that he looked beaten and looked like he had given up. As he stood there while people in the audience were questioning him he appeared as though he just wanted to get it over with and get out of there. Person after person stood up and asked him what are you doing? Are you just going to give up? Are you really just going to surrender our country to of Barack Obama and Nancy pelosi? What are you doing? Get out there and fight! Never in my adult voting life have I seen anything that even gets close to that. I knew right then and there that Obama was going to be our next president. To this day I still feel that John McCain just gave up and quit in the middle of the fight. All I can figure is that either he was just plain scared and not wanting to be called it racist if he went after Obama too heavily or perhaps they had something on him who knows? All I know is he gave us Obama. I think he had just resigned himself to the fact that he could just go back and be a senator again and pedal his influence like the rest of them do. Then the GOP thought it was going to be good to run another moderate who basically gave up the same way that John McCain did. Mitt Romney stood by while the left plastered him with lie after lie and he did absolutely nothing to counter that. RIP and thank you for your service. I'm sure the brain cancer he died from wasn't pleasant. However, I have little respect for him in his political career. Too many times he voted yes for things that were bad for America. There is a reason why many people refer to him as John McStain.
Both his father and grandfather were admirals. As for the presidential races, both McCain and Romney were treated with kid gloves by the leftist-dominated media during the primaries because the left recognized they would make the weakest candidates to run against their Anointed One. As they heaped criticism on every other Republican candidate, they found nothing bad to say about McCain (and later Romney) - until after they cinched the nomination. Then it was (OMG, did you know he owns five houses?!?!) or (Now let's take a look at the strange things Mormons believe and do.) They were both incredibly naive not to know that would happen.
@@dougearnest7590 I believe they both knew what was going to happen but they just didn't have the intestinal fortitude to see it through and fight back. Especially Romney the and the GOP in general at that time. They figured that Obama's first term was so bad that they could throw anybody up there and they would win. Had the press done their job properly in regards to vetting Obama properly and covering things that happened while he was in office the end result might have been far different. But the press is the press and they are heavily liberally biased. Even more so now. That's why we ended up with someone like Joe Biden and now Kamala Harris. Because the press won't go after them and they know it. Therefore they can say or do anything and not have to worry about being called out for it. It's been like that for a very long time.
I can testify if your an Admiral's son, you don't have to be that good of a Naval Aviator, because Dad has your back and everyone else is afraid of that.😮
@@dougearnest7590 This is the exact same thing that they did to Trump when he first ran for president and won the nomination. You would think that he was the devil incarnate himself the way they piled on. It's funny because how many bad things did you hear about Donald J Trump coming from New Yorkers prior to when he announced he wanted to run for president practically nothing. Just like they piled on Richard Nixon just like they piled on Ronald Reagan you name it the press is so full of leftists and Marxist it's not even funny. They don't even try to hide it at all anymore.
I'm sure that you think that you made a witty comment-but it really isn't. Throwing around words like treason, especially without basis and against a deceased person is very unwise. And you depreciate the term when it used against individuals who have actually committed such acts. Perhaps you would like to rethink your comment.
McStain's Family tried insisting that he be buried in Arlington, National Cemetary as a War Hero, but his Family's Request was denied by the Pentagon, because the Pentagon said that only War Heroes are allowed to be buried in Arlington, but they did allow his remains to be buried in Annapolis, Maryland at the US Naval Academy Cemetary.
I disagree with your positive assessment of McCain. An unrepentant pagan who led a dishonorable corrupt, evil life. I hope he repented before his departure from this world.
FORGOTTENHISTORYCHANNEL, whose myths? The phrase where there's smoke there's fire may not always be correct but John McCain had a lot of smoke around him. I've never interviewed or researched his military career, maybe he was a good man. But what he did after he came home says plenty about his character, and it isn't flattering.
Silverado Savings Scandal. The vicious way he spoke to the POW/MIA families after inexplicably sealing their records, is very hard to find these days. He was hortible.
Bud Day a POW and MoH awardee spoke of his time with Him while being a POW, he spoke highly of McCain's service, but his political career is a different matter.
Bud Day was quoted as saying “This fing $hit” when the false allegations against McCain were rekindled in 2012. You left out Rear Adm. James Stockdale, Gen. Robbie Riser, Col. Leo Thorness, among others who confirmed McCain’s behavior while a POW. I’ll take the word of MOH recipients and a double Air Force Cross recipient over the LIES of “anonymous sources”.
It was always a kick sitting around the dinner table and listening to three generations of navy fighter and attack aviators absolutely crucify John S. McCain. They couldn't stand the guy. McCain's grand father and father were widely loved within the naval aviation community. My grand father as a young 20 year old F6F pilot would get called up to the flag bridge after every arial victory (Gramps had 4 1/2). Old ADM McCain would demand front and center every fighter pilot that had just scored a kill and have that aviator describe in great detail the last seconds of that Japanese pilot's brave military career. Heaven forbid a chute appearing. My dad who was Academy class of 57 (knew McCain loosely there) and was CO of a A-4F squadron on board the USS Oriskany 1968/69 thought the John S. McCain stories were true to form. After McCain was shot down, the ship's aviators would thank God every day that McCain was no longer on the flight schedule. Everyone would live longer because of it. Dad liked McCain's father. Thought he was the only admiral in theater that knew how f'd up the air war was being fought. My sense was as a young kid around that dinner table was that no one gave McCain a hard time for behavior at the Hilton (signed confession didn't help). He got a hard time because he was a truly horrible pilot and was pushed through. Failure after failure after failure. To the point of being beyond unsafe. Breaking all Annapolis admission GPA floor levels was also part of his charm. Naval Aviators are widely considered to be the best in the world. Few arguments against hold up, but navy fighter and attack pilots are a different breed and when you jam a John S. McCain into the pattern - It just won't be pleasant dinner conversation.
God bless your family, sir. You should be very proud of them! (IMO John McCains’ judgement will be on the Fauci level - & I believe MENGELE will be judged far less harshly as Fauci, (even though he embodied evil itself….)
His father was an admiral who sold out our men on the USS Lbrty. Trsh. Like father, like son. I lived in AZ for 5 years. I met dozens of people who despised him and his family. These people were locked up with him at the HH or had family members, friends who were. Said he was a weak, selfish, dishonorable snitch. They weren't just talking, they gave details. His wife now makes a fortune using millions of our tax dollars feeding people in other countries. At least that is what her story is. US and W European taxpayers paying to give her a nice fat salary and unlimited travel.
Thank you for this honest take on an amazingly complex man that we called "Uncle John". He was not our uncle and only my older siblings met him, not me. But my gather was his classmate at the USNA class 58 and kept in touch for over 50 yrs. Best friends? Nope. But when my NJ National Guard deployment turned from 9 months to 15 months, to 24 months or more because of the "surge", one call to his office, that spread to other senators offices on both sides of the aisles, secured our trip home after 22 months. Mind you that active duty Army that were being awarded for doing 3 tours, only did 4-6 months at a time. And they had no isolation time, meaning they went home to there families every night during train up, and, decomission time. We were on total lock down for weeks or months. Airforce was even worse. Mis t of their tours were 3-4 months. Again, the train up time was on station, home at night. Now, I live in the Philippines and the stories of the Pacific campaign I learned puts what we did in battle in the Middle East to shame. So yeah, things are different. Keep it all in perspective. God bless.
To COLIN - instead of just making a few "thanks for watching" comments, could you PLEASE read through the comments section and consider doing a follow-up to this video - after doing a bit more research into McCain's character and actions. To be honest, I'm concerned you generated a lot of negative reaction here which could affect the production of these videos in the future. I promise you, McCain was not the man you portrayed here, despite of how charmed you might have been when you met him.
I'll give you a "heads-up".... read or re-read the book by George Orwell called "1984", see if anything that is written in that a book (written in 1949) resembles what is currently going on in the world scene today. There are literally dozens of books written about what the world-wide take-over of the planet would look like and they all pretty much end the same way, the enslavement of mankind. Remember, mostly all this literature was written at least 60 - 75 years ago.....
I understand she was a beautiful model but was in a terrible car accident while he was away and she was disfigured and he didn't want her anymore. Hard to think much of a guy like that.
@@xoxohonna The story I heard was that she wasn't presentable as a politicians wife and Cindy came from a prominent family. Just like Hillary moved to New York to run for Senator as it was the best choice for a successful campaign, McCain moved to Arizona for the same reason.
It should be noted she remained fiercely loyal to McCain after the divorce. That may say more about her than him, though. The Reagans, who she worked for, never really forgave McCain and were always cold to him even though he adored Reagan. He had a lot of affairs while married to Carol. The one he chose as his second wife was very attractive and very, very, very rich. The video might also added to his poor Academy performance just how thoroughly undistinguished in every respect his service was before his captivity--and how much, during and after the academy, he benefited from being a nepo baby as the kids say. For example, McCain crashed three or four planes and kept his wings. The usual number allowed when your dad isn't Admiral McCain is zero. He wasn't a good pilot; he's celebrated purely because of the character he showed in captivity. Rather than abstractly associate McCain opposition and skepticism with "liberals" and "Democrats" ("and some Republicans" mentioned briefly once) as is common on the channel, the video really should have mentioned the _real_ tight association--namely, that between opinion on McCain's POW heroism and _the live prisoners left in Vietnam debate_ that has little correlation with the left-right divide. McCain and John Kerry were instrumental in closing the final investigation into the issue and in the long larger process, the very long and hard push from square one to finish, of normalizing relations with Socialist Vietnam. The all-encompassing loathing that the live prisoner advocates had for McCain could not possibly be overstated. (I myself do not know nearly enough about this issue to have an opinion.) Nonetheless although far from my favorite I enjoyed this video and have really enjoyed this channel!
@@salvadorromero9712 - You claim not to "know nearly enough" but you obviously know more than around 99.9999% I worked with (and befriended) a gentleman who was one of McCain's instructors in flight school. He flunked McCain out of the program, but somehow the Academy grad son and grandson of admirals got "un-flunked". It was common knowledge among the several Vietnam vet pilots I knew that McCain was shot down while violating policy - doing a flyby over the scene to conduct his own damage assessment.
Is it common practice for the Navy to assign graduates from the academy who rank in the bottom 1% of their class to naval aviator fighter pilot positions?
Depends on the current needs of the Navy. From my understanding if there is a pilot shortage then they will have unlimited naval air billets. He may have just been at the right place at the right time. But rest assured with his father being who he was the old man would have made sure he got to whatever billet he wanted.
Actually, the Navy does not assign pilots based on Academy rank. (Some of our greatest generals were bottom tier cadets.) The Navy--and Air Force and Marines, grade your FLYING SKILL in pilot training, then assign you either to the latest fighters or to the slow cargo planes. During war, with a shortage of fighter pilots, the Navy took a jet jockey who was brash and aggressive and put him into A-4s. In fact, look up Jimmy Doolittle. He was a reckless pilot who crashed several planes--but was selected to lead the first raid on Tokyo, flying Army Air Corps bombers off of navy aircraft carriers. They made him a general for that.
In the early 1980s, Capt Stratton came to speak to our class. He warned us that a former pow was running for the U.S. House of Representatives from Arizona. He said this individual, who he did not name, had collaborated with the Vietnamese. He said that if this individual had admitted his mistake and apologized even up until the time the pows stepped onto the plane to go home, all would have been forgiven. But he did not.
Not fighter school, navy flight school. McCain was not a fighter pilot but an attack pilot…flew A4’s a fine ac with an important mission. Just making a fine point.
I’m sympathetic to his time as a pow. He was a piece of trash when it came to representing the people. His Maricopa County ties to corruption, his fraudulent university of Arizona dealings, his money laundering foundation plus much more. We were told 30 days in advance the exact time, day, hour and minute of his execution. He was offered a chance to come clean and didn’t take it. He’s tied to human trafficking as well. Remember the “boot” on his leg before he died? It kept changing legs? It was an ankle monitor because he was under arrest. . His whole family is involved in corruption all the way up to his grandfather.
I think he was a patriot at some point in his life. But in his later years I think he was a spiteful petty man. My good friend worked as a staffer for his campaign, and his encounters with him corroborates the profile of a personality that was elitist and stubborn. He didn’t sell out America as a naval officer, but he did as a senator.
Another good one. I met Sen McCain in his office here in Phoenix. I also met Sen John Kyl in his office as well. I used to run service tickets for their servers way back in the day. I'll just say, Sen Kyl, much more humble man. The first time I met him was during the Bush Gore mess and in the middle of the "Hamging Chads" debate. I pulled into the parking lot of hos office at 24th st and Camelback. It was a tiny lot for the office bldg. As I was pulling in, a beat to hell old maybe...70s Suburban was pulling out of covered parking. As it started to pass by me, the driver waved me to stop. The driver rolled down his window (remember when you had to actually manually crank it down?) and...damn if it wasn't Sen Kyl. He asked ..."Are you the really smart guy here for our computer". I replied, "Well, Senator... I'm here about your computer...the Server." He smiled and laughed and said "go ahead and take my parking spot I'll be gone for hours. Don't worry about it and stay there as long as you need. Really appreciate you coming out so fast. Been a heck of a few weeks." I thanked him, gave him a wink and said, "Giv'em hell, Senator. He laughed and thanked me and drove off. Saw him in the office the next day. Had to do a simple swap of a failed drive in a disk array. He was working the phones and making sure that moron Gore didn't steal the election. He caught walking out and yelled from his office...."Son, can you come here for a second." I stood in the doorway of his office and he thanked me for taking care of the server and...the "Wink in the parking lot...it made my day." I had trouble finding words and...people who know me...know I never ..have problems finding words lol. I blurted out..."You're one of the good guys and I'm sure you'll work it out". Gore finally conceded a few days later. That's my Jon Kyl story. One of the few humble and honest men in DC ever. He could have made a fine president but, he was too damn decent for the job...I suppose. Sure could use a Jon Kyl there today in DC!
and because of that 2000 hanging chad we got machines with open ports 4 years later to "make sure that never happened again" and enable the u know what exponentially ever since. why Florida had triangle shaped hole punchers is beyond me. Why werent they round as we had in California? SMH
There are no more men like that anymore! Look at Austin; more worried about what colors of dresses and make up some of his soldiers are going to wear than on respect, honesty, and integrity! Same thing with Miller. Do we dare to include that man trying to impersonate a woman?
A group of physicians scheduled appointments with our Senators. Like you, i agree that Senator Kyl is a good decent man. Senator McCain couldnt be bothered. All I can say is that he had a nice painting in the waiting room.
I vaguely remember prisoners he served with speaking out against him and his service in 2008. They claimed he cowered under pressure and gave him the nickname "songbird". These things should also have been addressed in this video. Enough people that served with him have called him a coward and a traitor to warrant further discussion. I think this video damages your credibility somewhat. I met John once when I was in college. I had no idea he was anything but some senator from Arizona. Nice enough guy but a total POS as a politician.
Old internet rumor. The funny thing is internet nerds that make this stuff up don’t realize all the names of the POWs can be referenced. No real person confirmed the internet fantasy
@@bags4930 listen, I know you baby boomers struggle to tell what is real and what isn’t on the internet. There is no hard data to back the lies up. If you don’t know how to read military records or even access historical newspapers, why take such an opinion on something you don’t really know a thing about. What makes that “Vietnam Vet” reliable? Did they debrief McCain? In prison with him? The songbird lie can be pinpointed to an early 2000s stolen valor veterans website.
Did the McCain family write the narraration? Many men who were in prison with the "White Weasel" would disagree totally with this. No mention of the info he gave, how he was made a trustee and would rat out fellow prisoners. Let alone the training mishaps AND the lie of the Forrestal. McCain landed with an armed Zuni pod, when a generator's exhaust got too close, the pod launched. NO midshipman at the middle of his class, let alone the bottom, would EVER be considered for flight training. McCain would have been a 20 year Lt. in supply if it wasn't for his father. Nepotism which took lives.
Your Forrestal narrative is pure BS. It did not happen after a landing with an armed zuni pod. It happened during preparation for a launch. The zuni launched from an A-4 spotted across across the deck from McCain. The missile hit McCain's A-4 in its drop tank setting the jet on fire.
I'll check the stories, but I think you have the Forrestal and Enterprise accidents mixed up. The Zuni was fired from across the deck from McCain because the "Ordies" doing a static check. The other was a "huffer" that backed up to a 500lb'r and cooked it off.
@@scottw.8871 What's the matter doesn't Russian Internet get Wikipedia? McCain's A-4 wasn't carrying Zunis. It was a defect in the Zuni (on an F-4B) plus the ordnance men weren't following safety protocols. McCain was a victim of the Forrestal fire, not the cause. Furthermore, draft dodging Trump is despicable for calling all POWs losers for getting captured. McCain was shot down on his TWENTY-THIRD combat mission over Vietnam......and draft dodging Trump called him a loser. Want the video? th-cam.com/video/kUa5dsRcb1s/w-d-xo.html
We are told to believe what the msm tells us to believe, and we dutifully obey. We even worship people without using our brains!! One generation follows all the others. Tolstoy said, “History would be a wonderful thing, if only it was true”. It’s NOT.
Just remember, Jane Fonda apologized more than once. John McCain never did. John Stockwell, ex-CIA officer, whistle blower, Central America, Congo, and Vietnam was my hero. Thank you, Colin, sir.
You failed to mention he let the Gang of 8 fake RINO establishment clowns to allow illegal alien invaders to become citizens aka voting Democrats. Glaring omission.
Jane Fonda only apologized initially because her career was at stake. And her apology has always been that she "was used for propoganda purposes by the North Vietnamese" by being photographed sitting on an anti-aircraft gun. She's never taken responsibility for her actions, so any apology she's ever issued is meaningless. It's one thing to be anti-war, it's another thing to do what Jane Fonda did.
Sounds like Jane Fonda is your hero. Who is John Stockwell? Did you mean Admiral James Stockdale, who attested to the fact that John McCain’s service was honorable? Get your information straight before passing judgement on someone.
Let's all have a moment of silence to honor John McCain's cancer. It made the ultimate sacrifice to protect the world from John McCain's war mongering.
McCain was a great example of power corrupts and absolute power corrupts, absolutely. Rarely does a politician get better the longer they stay in office.
Once asked a USNA classmate of McCain what McCain was like and he said he was an “a55hole.” Dumping his wife on his return was a real low point. To his credit he did decline early repatriation from POW camp. Admittedly, had he accepted it would have been devastating for his future. Much as one might support Trump one of the dumbest things he ever said was about McCain when Trump said he preferred heroes who didn’t get shot down. During the Vietnam war our government was leaking targets to the North Vietnamese to minimize civilian casualties at the expense of our pilots. Although there is nothing necessarily heroic about being shot down or being a POW neither is enviable or meriting any criticism. He may have had serious character flaws and his POW conduct may be questioned by some but he did serve our country voluntarily in combat
@@bobchiggs The A4 had a pratt and whitney J52 engine, they are not easy to "hot start" on purpose. (I was a qualified to operate these engines when I was active duty Navy) When aircraft on the flight deck are spotted for launch their tails are pointed a away from the deck, toward the water. His aircraft was hit by a zuni rock that came from a F4 phantom on the other side of the deck. You have no idea how air operations on a carrier are performed.
@@bobchiggs OMG! Have you ever done any research on it...and not from your "buddies" in the bar. Read Sailors to the End by Gregory Freeman, and do your own research...from a credible sources and not your barroom buddies.
My farther was warned that if he voted for Goldwater in 1964 there would be over 500,000 troops in South Vietnam by 1968. My father did and it sure happened.
A great knowledgeable blog ! I had no idea about John McCain. Thankyou for clearing up the mystery. I was a victim of the BS from unreliable sources . He truly was a hero . I've endured broken multiple ribs in the past and the pain was horrible. John's mental strength was truly commendable considering his body was busted up and they still tortured him anyway .
@@SuperBuickregal His career in politics well that's another issue... AND his promise (which he used in his last re-election campaign) was to repeal Obama Care and he was the deciding vote to keep it. All due to his antipathy to Trump
My great uncle was a POW with McCain. I don’t understand how someone that endured so much as a POW, could bail on his wife and country as a politician?
My dad knew a man who had been a petty officer on the Forrestal and this man was convinced the fire was McCain's fault and everything was covered up because of him being an admiral's son. I have no idea if this is true or not but the man convinced my dad.
I've heard it said by several sources, none of which i can confirm, that he crashed multiple military aircraft by "hot dogging", was separated from his fellow prisoners and given preferential treatment due to his status as an admiral's son, and gave up vital intel without coercion. Again, I don't know, but it's not hard to imagine, given how he behaved as a politician.
He was a hot dogger, he crashed once and hit a powerline once, he absolutely did not start the Forrestal fire--that is politcal slander. He was a special prisoner for two reasons. First, he was terribly injured on capture and second, North Vietnamese intelligence discovered his father was an admiral. So they offered to release him from prison (as a propaganda gesture), but MCCAIN REFUSED TO TAKE EARLY RELEASE because the code of the POW says first in will be first out. So he stayed, broken by injuries and tortured regularly, for 5 more years--to stick to the code. And no, the info he gave up was not vital. Everybody breaks under torture. We are trained to give up as little as possible. He did. A fellow POW, Bud Day (Medal of Honor recipient) said that McCain was true to the USA and called McCain a hero.
My brother, a Vietnam war veteran, believed that the US Military ought to issue a blanket statement that all US POW’s are cleared to sign any statements in order to avoid torture and that such statements are regarded as false.
Most everyone who had joined the U.S. military has done at least one noble thing in his or her life. That does not make them heroes, or even noble people. Sometimes, in difficult situations, people "rise to the occasion" - then sink back down to their previous status once the crisis is over. I can not begin to imagine the suffering inflicted on the men who were prisoners/victims of the North Vietnamese, and have no way of knowing what I myself might have been able to endure. All that having been said, John McCain was what he was - and what he was was the man who put his own ego ahead of the welfare of the Republic and gave us eight years of Barack Obama. There was no way he could have beaten Obama in the general election, and he had to be the most naive (or self-deluded) man in Washington to think the leftist media would treat him as kindly in the general election as they did during the primaries. Ironically, he refused to let our enemies "use" him while a POW, but played right into their hands as a Senator.
I appreciate your comment. Having not served in the military I won’t pretend to be able to judge McCain in any way concerning his performance as a soldier. I honor his legacy and sacrifices. However I do think it is fair to criticize his performance as a politician. And agree with your take
Interesting take on McCain’s presidential aspersions running against Bathhouse Barry. Our fifth rate Fourth Estate was totally starry eyed and completely in the bag for him to be the Nation’s first Marxist black president and they were embarrassingly sold out to this smooth talking, know nothing, snake oil selling, community agitator.
Because they wanted to wrap up the negotiations and could no longer revisit the issue, so a decision was made to bury it, and the job was given to McCain to keep it buried.
"Song Bird" McCain's history is far from forgotten. This video is McCain's words given after his release and return to the U.S. 1968 in the Dayroom of an Army barracks at the Signal School at Ft. Gordon, GA, myself and many other soldiers watched a video news clip with John McCain, the North Vietnamese filmed, telling the world that the U.S. military in Vietnam were "war criminals" and had no right to be there. McCain went on to say how well he had been treated and how amazing the North Vietnamese people were, and the U.S. should leave the country. Every soldier in that dayroom on that day screamed profanities at the TV and talked about the video for days. The Forrestal aircraft carrier catastrophe caused by a fired missile from a jet on the flight deck came from John McCain's jet while he was at the controls. His admiral grand dad and admiral father got him steered away from blame. John McCain had several accidents that would have gotten him grounded if not for his relatives in High Rank.
“"The people responsible for this attempted smear of John’s character should be ashamed of themselves. They don’t deserve the sacrifices he made on their behalf.” ….. “… three of McCain's fellow POWs - Everett Alvarez, Orson Swindle and Jerry Coffee - provided a joint statement … "Like many of us, John was subjected to torture, and coerced into making a false confession," they said in the written statement. "We all tried, as John did, to resist to the best of our physical and mental abilities the abuse the enemy inflicted on us. But we all have our limits, and many of us reached ours in Hanoi. ... He fought our captors as hard as any of us. He did all that could be expected of him." *** McCain's three fellow POWs pushed back hard against anybody who would disparage McCain's devotion to the United States. "It is outrageous that anyone would try to embarrass him by using this 'confession' to call into question his faithful service to our country," Alvarez, Swindle and Coffee said. "The people responsible for this attempted smear of John’s character should be ashamed of themselves. They don’t deserve the sacrifices he made on their behalf.” www.azcentral.com/story/news/politics/azdc/2016/08/13/john-mccain-pow-recordings-revive-historic-painful-episode/88547416/ ***** The fact that the bunch of you, sitting in the comfort of your day room watching TV, would presume to pass judgment on someone who just suffered four days of nonstop beatings and torture, worse than anything you could ever imagine, is a display of arrogance and ignorance beyond compare.
Did it ever occur to you that a video clip produced by the North Vietnamese might not be accurate? Stockdale on Stoicism II: Master of My Fate VADM James B. Stockdale, USN (Retired) “Admiral Stockdale served on active duty in the regular Navy for 37 years… Shot down on his third combat tour over North Vietnam, he was the senior naval prisoner of war in Hanoi for seven and one-half years…” … “The key word for all of us at fIrst was fragility. Each of us, before we were ever in shouting distance of another American, was made to "take the ropes”… These were the sessions where we were taken down to submission and made to blurt out distasteful confessions of guilt and American complicity into antique tape recorders … (followed by total isolation four 6-8 weeks) “When put into a regular cell block, hardly an American came out of that without responding something like this when first whispered to by a fellow prisoner next door: "You don't want to talk to me; I am a traitor." And because we were equally fragile, we all replied something like this: "Listen, pal, there are no virgins in here. You should have heard the kind of statement I made. Snap out of it. We're all in this together. What's your name? Tell me about yourself." To hear that last was, for most new prisoners just out of initial shakedown and cold soak, a turning point in their lives.” www.usna.edu/Ethics/_files/documents/Stoicism2.pdf Unless you have 37 years of time in service, and 7 1/2 years has a POW in North Vietnam, you have no right to say anything about anyone who went through what they did.
I gave McCain the location where Frank Gould was with photos as I met him . I received a letter from McCain stating to mind my own business and anyone in Laos was AWOL . That was from McCain. At the same time near Sam Nau ( spelling) were 14 mia pows working in the Forrest . They visited a hospital once a month for medical checkups. This he dismissed.
His nickname during his time in captivity was “songbird,” because he gave the enemy information without being seriously tortured. He was offered early release, but all of those guys who went home early or accepted preferential treatment were called the “slimmies, slipperies, and the sleazies.” So he would have been grouped in with these men and his princely status would have been ruined.
I had the fortunate out of the blue meeting with one of the Hanoi Hilton's prisoner not too long after his return home and what he told me was extremely horrifying and I always wondered how I would handle the extremely inhumane treatment. These men are true heroes unlike the likes of Hanoi Jane. God Bless these American Heroes. Thank you Colin for putting this out front.
I have the utmost respect for any survivor of the Hanoi Hilton. I have toured what's left and it isn't good. However, I do not have much respect for a political career that is compromised with leftists. I refuse to believe the accusations until someone with first-hand knowledge tells me otherwise. But it is easy to see how some could believe that the rich boy who came home a hero and then became wealthy and politically powerful for decades might have cut some corners. Thanks for the video.
@@arepadetrigo He was such an ass hole that he turned his back on his wife that stood by him all the years that he was a POW divorce her to marry a younger woman. Does that give you just a small hint of his personal character. By the way the Ex never turned on him!!!!
I’d take Bathhouse Barry’s word for something before I’d take ANYTHING McCain said about his life experiences. He’s a spoiled brat kid of an admiral who’s himself a son of an admiral. He would never have graduated flight school with his antics if he hadn’t had two admirals in his family lineage. His treatment of his severely injured ex wife and his marriage to rich girl Cindy Hensley was another indicator of his lack of character. His prisoner of war actions were the best John could do for John knowing what would’ve been waiting for him if he’d taken early release or any kind of gratuity from the North Vietnamese. I’m not sure if he had any plans for politics until he met Hensley but he had other prisoners, fellow military members, and especially his namesake father and grandfather watching his decisions and they were being watched by their fellow officers regarding how John was treated. It was always about keeping up appearances to John McCain and the only ONE that he had to impress at the end couldn’t care less about appearances but only whether he had accepted, before he died, the gift he was offered by Jesus from the Cross on Calvary..
@@rickiecomeaux8287That is not the host’s job. He said his piece in the video. If the comment is worth rebuttal I’m sure there will be a video forthcoming.
@@FORGOTTENHISTORYCHANNEL Your video was great BTW. I just think McCain became more corrupt over time. His vote to kill the repeal of Obama care spoke volumes about his character.
McCain’s wife worried about John when he was a POW. She got into a bad car crash and had to endure painful rehab and gained weight in the process. John came back and thanked her for her dedication to him by asking for a divorce so he could marry Cindy,the other woman. Ross Perot was a good friend of theirs and let John know exactly what he thought of that move,being greatly disappointed. John’s children wouldn’t talk to him for years. I’d be willing to bet that if McCain’s father wasn’t a famous admiral, John would have been grounded for his several flying accidents. He was against Obamacare but felt it more important to stick it to Trump and he cast the deciding vote in favor of it.
Wasn't she an addict and John left her immediately upon his return?
@@tylerchapman9234no. She was really banged up bad and actually lost four inches in height. Cindy was an heiress from a wealthy family. Perot said McCain went for the poster girl with money.
Oh geezzz that's heartbreaking
Doesn't matter why he voted in favor of it...the fact is he deserved to be hauled over the coals for voting for that POS tax plan and Obamacare had nothing to do with insurance or helping people as it had the exact opposite effect. It destroyed the insurance people had, but the insurance companies didn't complain, because they were and are still getting rich off Obummercareless. He was a selfish, only for himself ahole, pure and simple.
He would have never even gotten flight school if not for his admiral daddy. Same goes for little Georgie Bush. Both are shit bags.
My father was a enlisted aircrewman he served on the USS Intrepid with McCain. According to him and a couple of his old buddies I have met, McCain treated enlisted men like dogs. He showed open distain to any and all enlisted sailors. No matter what else that is the first thing I always think of.
How you behave to people who are perceived as lower status to you!, says a lot about you as person which ain't much.
I have nothing but Respect for your father and his Buddies and all who were ever Enlisted,both North and South of the 49THparalell...but my father was Not an Admiral,just an admirable man
Thanks for watching.
How many of you armchair general flew a slow A4 Skyhawk into the most highly defended airspace in military history? KMA
I have heard Similar things from other enlisted personal!
I am a retired military and airline pilot and one of my friends of later years was John McCain's primary flight instructor. He recounted to me the problems he encountered teaching McCain in primary flight training. McCain was NOT a proficient primary student. During McCain's primary flight training his instructor recommended "washing McCain" out of flight school. This was met with a change in instructors, and it was made apparent that he was to be 'passed' regardless of his capabilities.
That's because his daddy and granddaddy were admirals,
This is a B.S. story. His nick name was Johnny Wet START. He was the cause of the fire on the Forestall Aircraft Carrier. He was shot down by another Navy Pilot for what he did that killed over 140 service men and damn near shrinking the ship. The truth story has been covered up because of who his father and grand father was.
Songbird.
Helps to have a dad and grad dad with four stars. In today's woke military it helps to have a vagina. Notice those two Navy flyers who managed to hit that rather large mountain in Washington State.
Which flight school? My father graduated USNA class 58' and went to primary flight school with him. Do you know where that is?
John wasn't necessarily the sharpest tool in the shed when it comes to academics, however he was a street smart, social high IQ person. He didn't care about classroom instruction as much as hands on getting shit done. How do I know? My straight laced, non drinking, Christian father was 2 yrs old than the other plebes/cadets and was often paired up (battle buddy), with McCain on liberty to keep him out of trouble. Pops favorite story was when he lost John at a bar on ego alley and wasn't found until the next morning when an Admiral found John in bed with his daughter. My father was severely punished for failing his assignment!
So yes, McCain wasn't a genius or a saint, but he wasn't the stereotypical moron rich kid that F-D up all the time and got by family name alone.
Your friend exaggerates, like most people do against people they are envious of. Sure he got breaks others didn't, but I'll bet you no flight instructor would ever pass an incompetent pilot because of pressure from above.
Oh wait.....what was that first female fighter pilots name that was totally disgraced? Ok so maybe you have a small point! Hahaha.
Point is to dispise the guy for his politics, as many of his classmates and my father did at the end, but don't unfairly disparage his service and POW time. Any one of us could come up with shit talk about even our best battle-buddy if it served our purpose.
I am from Arizona, born there...lived there for 50 years. I met Senator McCain during a land dispute between my family and the state of Arizona. The state was attempting to steal some of our land, and we were fighting back. Senator McCain (at the time) lied to our faces as he supported the state as they stole our land. This told me everything I needed to know about McCain's character. He failed the test.
I have entertained the thought that McCain experienced some sort of 'Manchurian candidate' reprogramming campaign some time after his POW experiences. I can't speak about his extra-national alignments during war. If one says something about their nation when under torture, is that really treason? I am not prepared to judge that scenario.
@@crazy8sdrums McCain wasn't for America.
He was part of American communist and
globalist political agenda for certain. I never
understood why , but his actions spoke louder
than words.
Sorry about your land grab battle.
How did the state steal land?
@@KingfishStevens-di9jiprobably through eminent domain.
@@HoldFastAndStoic Which they pay (overpay) fair market value. The rancher debacle a few years ago was because the government ran ranchers off government land that they had used freely for years.
@@HoldFastAndStoic that does equal land theft
Ranking 894 of a class of 899 doesn't get you into aviation training.
Probably depended also on his other qualifications
@@FORGOTTENHISTORYCHANNELYeah like being a senior admiral’s son! 😂
@@FORGOTTENHISTORYCHANNEL His name maybe,do you make excuses for all traitors?
Nope. It gets you a three-year stint in the Resident Officer In Charge Of Construction (ROIC) office and a quick adios.
You fool. Having a
DADDY and Grandaddy who are Admirals gets you into flight training.
I knew a man affectionately known as "The Colonel" who said he served with McCain. He told me that McCain was the most disliked man on the entire carrier. Said he was a "cocky little prick". I believed him.
I heard the same thing from somebody that served with him!! Sounded as if they were glad he was locked up
I’m no John McCain fan in anyway, but I officiated with a guy who was on his crew (Hope the terminology is correct) during the Forrestal incident. He loved the guy and says the story is not correct. Dude should have never been voted dog catcher, but he gets (My opinion) a really bad rap for this stuff.
McCain was backfiring his jet afterburner which was a court Marshall offensive and Caused the fire.
@@whiskeymonk4085 you know the Navy doesn’t have colonels right? Anymore “war stories” to tell?
This has no bearing on the thesis of the video.
I’m still salty about his vote to save Obamacare
Thanks for watching.
@@FORGOTTENHISTORYCHANNELThank you for making this video I was gravely misinformed about his time in the HH. God bless.
He was one of the procurers of the Steele dossier. I think that’s why a lot of people didn’t like him.
I’ve made peace with Obamacare only because I was diagnosed with ms in 2018 and I wouldn’t have been able to get insurance because of the whole “pre existing conditions” crazy to think that was actually a thing they could deny you for.
That cemented his legacy as a traitor.
I have met several people who served in Vietnam. Not one ever had a kind word to say about him . Some Navy veterans hated him with a passion.
Right!! I will believe them over McCain!
The truth about McCain's life is questionable, to say the least.
We all know that the words "honest" and "political" should never be in the same sentence.
Dude sold us out.
I knew John McCain personally. I have met no one who loved America as much as he did. He exhibited courage not only in Hanoi, but also in Washington, where he held to his convictions, even though it upset his own party. I challenge any of the "several people who served in Vietnam" with him mentioned above to publicly state how he was a bad American. I don't care if they didn't like him, and I would ask if they would compare their military records with McCain's. The anonymous BS against him was just propaganda. McCain's courage was undeniable and his place as a hero in American history will remain.
@@HariSeldon. He was a RINO
The most important detail this video leaves out is that when John McCain died, the former head of the Hanoi Hilton said that he and John were very good friends and would miss their conversations. It’s odd that the warden of a prison beating, starving, and killing its inmates would consider one inmate to be a former close friend.
Unfortunately they are both gone?
Mote propaganda
Retired Colonel Tran Trong Duyet is reported to be the head of the Hanoi Hilton, but this is not verified. Duyet said no prisoners were ever tortured--we knew that's a lie. Two things to note: 1) Vietnam needed US aid, and would want to make nice with a future US president. 2) That kind of story would be excellent ANTI-MCain propaganda for his political opponents. You are right, John, to say it is odd. I call it not believable.
Like many true Hero's McCain forgave.
@@OldBayouOak there is no evidence of that.
Put his military service behind for a moment and look at his political career, he served his own interest and not representative of the people of Arizona, Traitor to the end
Yeah they hated him so much, they elected him six times. McCain was beloved man and soldier
Even his military career is full of not stolen, but undeserved valor. He's a fraud who had his career given to him at every step of his life despite being a hot-headed little yuppy pr**k.
The second he was captured (Which was his OWN fault mind you) he spilled the beans like a sniveling little coward.
Thanks for watching.
Another insurrectionist licking Donald's boots!
And he became very wealthy by being in the Senate
Classic rebuttal by Rand Paul to McStain concerning McCain's attempt to start and fund another neo con war in some third world country was outstanding. He outed and shut down McCain like a surgeon and got up and walked out of the chamber. Stellar performance!
Vietnam vets call him the songbird
No, the NV prison guards named him songbird
@jameswill175 you know what the fuck you're talking about
I had a Skipper, Capt. R.J Naughton, who was also locked up with McCain. He had scars on his arms like shoelaces from being tortured. Capt. said you never gave them something for nothing. If they had to work on you to get Information, they would go to someone easier to get information and cooperation. He stated McCain would tell them anything they wanted to know to keep from getting "worked on". McCain earned the name "Songbird McCain." McCain's name was the only name the Skipper ever mentioned during the hour and a half brief. Capt. Naughton was the most outstanding Skippers I ever served under.
Is he the same Admiral R. J. Naughton that served as Superintendent of the US Naval Academy back in 2002-2003?
John McCain admits in his book Hanoi Hilton,that he didnt owe anything to America and would tell them whatever they wanted to get preferencel treatment.
@@MarciaDiehl-wy5rw No, you're referring to Adm Richard Naughton.
CAPT R.J. (Robert "Bob") Naughton became Commanding Officer, Naval Air Station Dallas, TX in June 1984 where he served until his retirement from active duty in January 1987.
Yeap..Facts
@@TF-xf6bv Yes. I don't know what happened at the "Hilton," but I detested McCain's political actions here in the US.
John McCain married into wealth. He wed Cindy Hensley. The Hensleys were the sole distributor for all Budweiser products in 80% of Arizona, yet their connections go all the way back to the depression and bootlegging whiskey from Canada, thru the Seagrams.
I used to maintain & repair his mother-in-law's airconditioning. She was very open how she didn't like who her daughter Cindy married and plainly stated that John was a horse's ass. I pretty much felt the same
Thanks for watching
Regarding Bootlegging, I read John was intricately involved in running white stuff up from Mexico into AZ. It makes sense that there was family history in place already.
It takes a horse's ass to pose in propaganda pictures, shaking hands with the leaders of ISIS. Yeah, he did that, the pictures are still floating around the internet.
@@sterling557Can you cite where you read this?
I saw Cindy say on Tv in the last few years that EVERYONE knew about Biden but were too afraid to say anything.
Trumps dislike for McCain is well founded and he called it out, in spite of all the backlash he got.
Considering he was one of the key individuals running around with that fake dossier that he knew was fake. Because he wanted to take credit for bringing in a bunch of illegals to feed the corporate people that he knew in Arizona that wanted to hire all these illegal aliens. And he was thoroughly pissed when he was called out for it and didn't get to do what he wanted. He cried like a spoiled 2-year-old.
He knew that there was nothing against Trump and that that dossier was utterly fake and paid for by Hillary Clinton
Trump family 4 generations ZERO days of military service zero
@@BRuane-pw6xqAnd your traitor songbird/wetstart hero saved Osama care.
Thanks for nothing.
Draft dodger hates veteran. Cool dude. Nice optics.
@@BRuane-pw6xq Right, same with Brandon, Barry, Slick Willie, 🐪, and on and on and on.
No Veteran will be endorsing or campaigning for 🐪 though so then theres that. 🤔
As a combat vet I can reapect what he did while a POW but I also know I was part of the first 10 years of Iraq and Afghanistan he was a POS politician.
I could not figure it out. He seemed to hate us didn't he?
@@Bizarreparade In all fairness, it might have been a result of what he experienced as a POW - but yeah. It seems more likely he rose to the occasion while a prisoner when he had to, but reverted type after he was freed.
I've had two friends who have had very personal dealings with him. One was a soldier testifying before a committee. He was a combat vet involved in testing , advocating for another vehicle instead of the Stryker and he said McCain tore into him accusing him of treason. (No doubt that was because of where the Stryker was manufactured.)
The one who knew him better was one of McCain's instructors in flight school. He flunked McCain out of the program, but somehow the man became unflunked - no doubt because of daddy and granddaddy.
It's generally "understood" among those in the know that McCain was shot down when, against policy and orders, he felt compelled to do a flyby to perform his own damage assessment of the target. I find the gentlemen who shared that with me to be more credible than the average politician - and the description of his shoot-down seemed more credible than stories of his starting the Forrestal fire.
I always used to wonder does someone hate the troops or something way up higher, the operational task org would change by the month, from hearts and minds to eliminating enemy insurgency in order to support the local military.
Not really, McCain was the only Republican to challenge the Rumsfeld-Wolfowitz madness.
*Obama killed more us troops than Osama.*
Don't forget it was John McCain who gave the FBI the Trump dosiea
yup
good memory you've got!
dossier
Yes he did! sent a staffer to England to get it! Speaks volumes. As they say Republicans always shoot inward Democrackpots shoot outward!
Don't forget the hundreds of Navy personal that died when McCain started the Forrestal fire . 😡
John McCain should never have been allowed to hold public office because of what he did .
McCain was shot down on his TWENTY-THIRD combat mission over Vietnam......and draft dodging Trump called him a loser. Want the video?
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@@lordofpain3476My Mother never trusted him. Was worried he'd be a Manchurian Candidate after that long in a communist prison.
I thing he's another example of what happens to these politicians when the media starts praising them. They become celebrities and that's just so wrong! That's the last thing and of our leaders should be. Or, they stay at least more like Ike. Remained a leader and did what he thought was best for the country, always!
Did you even watch the documentary?
@@Sabotage_Labs McCain was shot down on his TWENTY-THIRD combat mission over Vietnam......and draft dodging Trump called him a loser. Want the video?
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He was going to be executed for treason , but his daddy Admiral McCain begged Richard Nixon to pardon him .
Benedict Arnold was also a war hero, but he was still a Benedict Arnold.
Remember the Keating Five?
Said by a coward hiding behind a keyboard.🤣
What a strange comparison. Break it down. How does McCain being starved and tortured for 5+ years compare to Arnold flat out betraying the Union to the British just because he thought the British would win? You are making a comparison that is vastly different. I will take a Medal of Honor recipients word for McCain over Trump or anyone else word on him
@@BLEEP-1 Says the guy typing
@@BLEEP-1
Youre a bigger coward, also hiding behind a keyboard
If you don't think McStain is a scumbag check out the Keating 5 scandal.
The bi-partisan senate investigation cleared Glenn and McCain of any criminal activity, but they did exercise poor judgement getting into business with Keating.
Investigation of themselves… 🤔
@@FORGOTTENHISTORYCHANNEL wikipedia huh?
oh yes. i forgot
@@FORGOTTENHISTORYCHANNEL Do you think he was innocent of any criminal activity?
War hero? 😂….. not in your wildest dreams. As a US Marine I’ve never meet another fellow Marine that liked this man.
Spoken like a true Trumptard. Trump lost Arizona because of all the BS he spewed about McCain.
Thank you for your service.
Yes, thank you.
BS!
@JWsGarage I liked him especially when he gave Trump the finger and saved the affordable care act.
U.S.M.C. 67-71
After he returned the Navy gave him a cushy desk job, McCain proceeded to screw his way through the female enlisted personal working for him until the Navy forced his retirement. I won't call him a traitor because he broke under torture, but in just about every other thing he did in life, he was a sorry excuse for a human being. The first thing he did upon entering congress was to get involved in the abscam bribery sting which began his tradition of reaching across the aisle. In short he was a lousy student, lousy pilot, lousy officer, lousy husband, lousy Presidential candidate and definitely a traitor to his political party and thereby the voters and our country.
Good summary, better than I could've put it. I think the whole "McCain's a traitor" thing was the result of people observing his conduct after the war and applying the label after the fact because it was consistent with the man they observed after the war.
There was a lot in there so, just to be clear, reaching across the aisle equates to treasonous behavior. The country was founded on principles of compromise and, in a 2 party system, it’s the only way to have a functional govt.
I agree. I can't say for certain that he was a traitor but his behavior after leads me to believe that there is a high likelihood he was.
I would bet that there are videos of him confessing to all sorts of things to get preferential treatment.
He was a very narcissistic, vindictive scoundrel of a man
McCain leveraged his threats of caucusing with the Democrats to be a power player when the Senate was split. It was this behavior neither side liked and led a political genius move by Tom Daschle SD who persuaded Jim Jeffords VT to go independent and caucus with the Democrats thus handing the Majority leadership to the Democrats under Dashle.
McCain also returned to vietnam as a Senator where others in his party were surprised how loved he was by the north Vietnamese calling him a canary because of how he sang upon capture being the one who informed them he was an Admiral's son. He broke his limbs by not following training upon ejection. His only torture was by the NV doctors who did not know how to properly set his injuries; they took the best of care of him knowing he was a high value prisoner.
In summary, John McCain will be remembered as a POS before a POW.
Don’t like McCain, but if you think you wouldn’t break under torture, you’re a fool. I like Trump, but a hero is a hero
The truth is is that he was a shitty pilot, crashed multiple aircraft, and his daddy constantly bailed him out and covered for him. 0:02
Sounds like someone else we know.
Then explain why the North Vietnamese army erected a bronze statue of John McCain along the river in hanoi?
I remember McCain's speech on the senate floor in 2011 where he ridiculed tea party conservatives and called them "hobbits." However, he was good friends with Ted Kennedy and senator feingold. Disgusting!
@@HariSeldon. Hey Hari, what Kool-Aid? Am I mistaken about McCain's speech? If so, please let me know which part.
@@dannyjamison8337 McCain was calling them "little" because of their intolerance. There is no denying that the intolerance existed with Tea Party members, and it shows with their inability to work across party lines.
McCain understood that Democrats and others that were from other parties did not share our politics, but they are still Americans. Governance is all about compromise, something that the Tea Party did not understand and was the reason that they could only obstruct and not get any real work done.
I don't agree with most Democratic politics, but I also don't agree with the current GOP's "my way or the highway" tactics either. Many of the hardliners would put the US in default to get their way, either because they do not understand the damage that it would do to us as individuals and as a country, or maybe because they just don't care. I miss the old GOP. You know, Ike, Reagan, Bush...
@@HariSeldon. Ted the "Sot" Kennedy,and Chinese spy Feinstien.
@@HariSeldon.😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅 I don't miss the corruption
Hero! Bull Sh t, Maverick! Bull Sh t!! Turn Coat you bet. Turned on his constituents with Dems turned on his country over Abbu Graub prison, turned on his V.P. running mate
As Senator, he never saw a country he didn't want to bomb.
Thanks for watching.
@@FORGOTTENHISTORYCHANNEL I see what you did there.
Including this country. Bombed with BS.
He was a Neocon to the core
No wonder McCain wanted Obama to give his funeral speech. Winning the Nobel Peace Prize and bombing Libya right afterwards!
Judging from the comments McCain is universally despised by everyone
who knew him and this video will do nothing to change that.
Not to disrespect his service or his suffering but he clearly had anger issues that can be clearly seen throughout his political career ptsd ? He was a bad choice for office and hurting his own paty !
I suspect he had real competitive issues with his father even before PTSD. Bad brew.
So….You can read his twisted mind ?.
Spoiled child disorder
Everything Trump said about McCain was 100% correct.
Thanks for watching. Trump was pissed because of the opposition research McCain started.
Everything Traitor Trump says about anyone is 100% BS. Just like your hero Alex Jones.
I believe Trump took issue that McCain was called a War Hero???
@@FORGOTTENHISTORYCHANNEL
McCain is also a neocon warmonger
No
That picture with Lindsey Graham, McCain and the soon to be leaders of ISIS. Is all I needed to know about that guy.
i saw that photo
I don't really have an opinion on his military days, but that he remained in office in his final days, leaving his state completely unrepresented will forever be a stain upon him as it's clear he didn't care about his constituents.
Thanks for watching.
That was the plan.
The grub defended obama and obamacare, he backflipped on his career stance to repeal obamacare to spite Trump and maga movement. His words and actions two total different things.
The reason John McCain was blamed for the Forestall tragedy is because as flight chief it was his decision to load the planes with the cheaper older bombs that he had been advised are less stable but he used because they were cheaper. That's not all. He had a nickname "Johnny Wet Start" because he liked to show off when starting his jet by over priming the engine with fuel when starting cause it made a bad ass fireball out the back of the jet. On that fateful day of the navy's worst disaster he did another one of his little west starts and NOW HOW DO YOU THINK THAT OLD BOMB WENT OFF IN THE JET BEHIND HIM HUH?! His father top navy admiral scrubbed the record of his sons culpability. He gave up 6 months of flight operation plans when in captivity. In his old age during the war in Syria around 2014 he coordinated arming AL Queada in Syria with heavy weapons just so they could fight Assad for him, a beloved president that had brought peace and stability to the region. Still to this day our troops are occupying their oil fields preventing that nation from utilizing the resources to rebuild itself. He was a pig and traitor indeed.
Wow! You must've been there and remember it all. How impressive!🙄
Maybe not, but he does something you dont do- RESEARCH. @@BLEEP-1
@@BLEEP-1 134 sailors died that day because of him.
John mcStain
A little addition to the facts above ,is the Keating Savings and Loan debacle of which McCain and John Glenn were involved. The pesky citizens never found out to much about that either, also a little side note how do you explain Mcain's nickname " Song Bird Mcain". That was given to him not because he had a great voice.
I served in the navy in the 1990’s, worked with a captain that have been stationed with McCain in the ship, he never said anything nice about that guy, never said anything about him period. But his face would showed anger every time McCain “s name came up
You know what, I tried to listen all the way through the video before commenting. But after hearing that McLame was "solid as a rock," I couldn't stand it anymore. I know some Vietnam Veterans who were in the Hanoi Hilton with McLame. And every single one of them all say the same thing, that he took special favors. This happened when he was in solitary, he had a cot with mosquito netting, he was fed better food. Point of fact, the officers lied about McLame being solid because of McLame's father and grandfather and didn't want their careers being sidelined because of their power within the navy. John McLame was a soft, spoiled navy brat that HAD TO LIVE UP TO HIS LEGACY! Then, later in his political career, he was just as slimy as when he was a POW, he became one of the biggest RINOs. While he's not as bad as Hanoi Jane, he's in the same arena as her. I will always see John McLame as traitor POS, and never have any respect for him or his service, he's no better than Tampon Tim Walz lying about his service!
I strongly agree with you ! Also a Soviet Bloc General defected to west sometime in 70s and stated that the Russians were recruiting US pow s to work as agents for them after release, I STRONGLY believe SONGBIRD McCain was one of them !
Trumps four generations ZERO days of military service zero
@@BRuane-pw6xq
And you?
I'm go with John Stockdale, and say you're wrong. Unless you think been left in a body cast, having crappy doctors whork on you, and asking if he wanted to be released and saying NO, is special favors.
@@BRuane-pw6xq Well, Clinton didn't serve either, and he conducted one of the greatest military campaigns ever without a single loss to American serviceman. There is no correlation between service and competence. Look at Jimmy Carter.
McCain ranked 894 out of 899 at Naval Academy Annapolis. Not bad. That would put him on a par with 'President' Joe Biden.
Trumps four generations ZERO days of military service zero. Hard to believe but true
Lmao bro put president in quotes 💀
And you graduated from the Naval Academy when?
@@gbonkers666 Head of the class of 1966. And I was in diapers.
Biden did not have an Admiral daaadddy. So that is why he might have ranked lower than songbird.
When I served as part of the commissioning crew on the USS Abraham Lincoln CVN-72 I worked in the navigation dept. The ship's navigator, a full bird capt, had been in one of the squadrons in "Nam with McCain. He once told us that McCain was the worst example of a naval officer he had ever seen and the only reason he was not kicked out of Annapolis was because both his father and grandfather had been 4 star admirals.
Jane Fonda, who married Ted Turner the founder of C.N.N. Do you get it now?
Wasn't turner married multiple times? Also he founded tbs. Also turner hasn't owned or controlled cnn for over 20 years now! The cnn that ted turner founded is totally different than today's cnn!
@mike62mcmanus: Ted Turner was "Left" ..Nothing what They are Today...c.n.n Never went downhill until After Cooperate kinda "Took it away" From Turner and He wound up just walking away....He Also DUMPED..jane fonda...They weren`t married long.
My dad always hated her, he was a vet, Vietnam era but he was in south Korea, post Korean war policing action and there was no love or respect for veterans back then and we are from a military/ warrior family
Turner wanted to build an anti Vietnam war memorial back in the 80s.. lucky for him he didn't.. I knew a lot of vets that would have blown up that thing.. but yeah communism News Network.. big surprise
@@katiesioux7757 Join the Club!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 24 years service!!!
He Should have been tried for treason for his career as an American politician.
Thanks for watching. Unfortunately bad policies are not treason unless you sell your office for profit to a foreign nation like Biden and the Clintons.
wasn't he buddies with different leaders of isis? I think we need to revamp the definition of treason. If your policies get Americans killed, you should be held accountable
And trump
@@FORGOTTENHISTORYCHANNEL
The voters of Arizona did not agree with you because they re-elected him. Just because someone disagrees with you does not make them treasonous.
@@petepehlcorrect. Acts of treason makes him treasonous. Any other questions bozo?? Go have another soy drink.
McCain did nothing to fix the VA Hospital here in Phoenix.
His best two buds in the senate were Linsey Gramnesty and Chappaquiddick Teddy. And LaRaza his favorite lobbying group.
The quintessential RINO, finally leaving the senate loafers first was the most patriotic thing he ever did.
Thanks for watching
I liked teddy, I wasn't alive during the Chappaquiddick accident. I researched it as a teen interested in history and law though. A horrible thing
@@katiesioux7757A despicable person.
@@katiesioux7757 The girl was still alive when the drunken coward abandoned her, and able to breathe for a while in a pocket of trapped air while teddy, more concerned with his reputation failed to report it until it was too late. Had he done so immediately she could easily have been saved. If you can "like" someone of such low character, your standards must be just as low.
@@hiramnoone lmfao
I did say I already researched the history. That was a horrible thing. I'm from an AA family, my dad had a motorcycle club and help AA/ NA meetings at the house. I was taught not to hold someone's past against them. Except for of course serial killers and chomos and the likes. No one makes good decisions when they are drunk. I've known a few people who have killed someone when they were drunk or involved in a drunk driving accident. I know the struggle they each went through.
I'm not going to argue over dead folks or defend my character to a keyboard rage warrior stranger.
I'm just waking up to coffee and you are obviously a very angry person.
Have a good day
Chill TF out
His military service to a corrupt govt is not my concern. But he was a true traitor to conservative ideals on liberty and freedom, especially regarding 2A.
seek therapy
Thank you. Some day people might get it. Done with the party system.
Great video. Helped clarify some points. You did gloss over upon his showboating accident that caused deaths though.
His criticism of Trump alone makes him a traitor in my mind
He also hand carried the Russian dossier (hoax) right to the FBI.
And what a stellar life and career Donnie Felon has led. The US has a huge need for mental health services. Just refer to the past election.
@@humbolt45lmao, 47 is not a felon, better study more leftist bs.
@@humbolt45
How is Joe working out for you ?
His only service was to his financial gain and power, I put him in the same class as Walz.
No - Walz is much
much much worse and more dangerous. Not sayin McCain was a decent person. He was pretty awful for doing many reasons.
Waltz? Tim Walz? He doesn’t have any money, he and his wife were both school teachers and he was in the Guard one weekend a month and coached football after school.
If you want to find a criminal look at convicted felon Donald Trump who skipped out of prison and more certain federal convictions by being elected president. That is the main reason why he ran again not because he gives a shit about the common man. That whole thing is a con that he got millions of gullible voters to swallow.
While president he visited his properties on average one out of every three days forcing the hundreds of people who travel with him to pay jacked up rates for food and lodging at his places.
He had a big hotel in DC close to the White House and visiting dignitaries and others who wanted to curry favor with him knew damn well where to stay which is why the Kuwaiti government changed the location of their big annual party to Donald’s hotel when he became president.
During slow times at the hotel like COVID-19 Arab governments would rent out entire floors that would sit empty.
Shortly after leaving his job in the White House where he sat next to the president doing favors for the Saudi Arabian and Emirati governments Donald’s son in law Jarad Kushner received a total of 3 billion dollars from those 2 governments to invest in his fledgling hedge fund, something that he had no experience in and Republicans still go after Hunter Biden for the messy life he led while in the throes of drug addiction?
Tim Walz really ?
Iraq here and Vietnam Vet Erwin Crosby ( poor guy was old when I emailed him ) found out about secret 3 letter codes in dd 214 and did his best talking to McCain. At One point avoiding Cosby and running out the building and wouldn't help or inquire about the codes . The codes were forwarded to employers to not hire Vietnam Vets for any medical reasons for getting out . I've nothing good to say about the man and in politics would give him a Russian retirement out of a second story window.
As an AZ resident for over 55 years, All I can say is maybe John McCain was brave and patriotic when he was in the hanoi Hilton but he was anything but when he got back here and got in the Senate. Regarding his military service as a pilot he crashed three airplanes earlier in his career I think the only thing that kept him from being pretty much reassigned or drummed out of the service was the fact that there was an admiral involved in his family. If not I think he would have been shuffled out as being incompetent or at least not allowed to fly. In one of the incidents he was flying in A7 where he was too low and used improper ejection procedures and was injured. You have to wonder if that was the same exact thing that happened to him when he was shot down in Vietnam?
When he was doing his presidential run against Obama I remember seeing him doing a town hall meeting on TV. I cannot remember where it was located but I do remember that he looked beaten and looked like he had given up. As he stood there while people in the audience were questioning him he appeared as though he just wanted to get it over with and get out of there.
Person after person stood up and asked him what are you doing? Are you just going to give up? Are you really just going to surrender our country to of Barack Obama and Nancy pelosi? What are you doing? Get out there and fight! Never in my adult voting life have I seen anything that even gets close to that. I knew right then and there that Obama was going to be our next president.
To this day I still feel that John McCain just gave up and quit in the middle of the fight. All I can figure is that either he was just plain scared and not wanting to be called it racist if he went after Obama too heavily or perhaps they had something on him who knows? All I know is he gave us Obama. I think he had just resigned himself to the fact that he could just go back and be a senator again and pedal his influence like the rest of them do.
Then the GOP thought it was going to be good to run another moderate who basically gave up the same way that John McCain did. Mitt Romney stood by while the left plastered him with lie after lie and he did absolutely nothing to counter that.
RIP and thank you for your service. I'm sure the brain cancer he died from wasn't pleasant. However, I have little respect for him in his political career. Too many times he voted yes for things that were bad for America. There is a reason why many people refer to him as John McStain.
I agree. McCain was told to stand down on his attacks whilst Obama was let go to attack. Obama had no substance then as he does not now.
Both his father and grandfather were admirals.
As for the presidential races, both McCain and Romney were treated with kid gloves by the leftist-dominated media during the primaries because the left recognized they would make the weakest candidates to run against their Anointed One. As they heaped criticism on every other Republican candidate, they found nothing bad to say about McCain (and later Romney) - until after they cinched the nomination. Then it was (OMG, did you know he owns five houses?!?!) or (Now let's take a look at the strange things Mormons believe and do.) They were both incredibly naive not to know that would happen.
@@dougearnest7590 I believe they both knew what was going to happen but they just didn't have the intestinal fortitude to see it through and fight back. Especially Romney the and the GOP in general at that time. They figured that Obama's first term was so bad that they could throw anybody up there and they would win. Had the press done their job properly in regards to vetting Obama properly and covering things that happened while he was in office the end result might have been far different. But the press is the press and they are heavily liberally biased. Even more so now. That's why we ended up with someone like Joe Biden and now Kamala Harris. Because the press won't go after them and they know it. Therefore they can say or do anything and not have to worry about being called out for it. It's been like that for a very long time.
I can testify if your an Admiral's son, you don't have to be that good of a Naval Aviator, because Dad has your back and everyone else is afraid of that.😮
@@dougearnest7590 This is the exact same thing that they did to Trump when he first ran for president and won the nomination. You would think that he was the devil incarnate himself the way they piled on.
It's funny because how many bad things did you hear about Donald J Trump coming from New Yorkers prior to when he announced he wanted to run for president practically nothing.
Just like they piled on Richard Nixon just like they piled on Ronald Reagan you name it the press is so full of leftists and Marxist it's not even funny. They don't even try to hide it at all anymore.
Screw him, his service and his two faced political career.
I'm sure that you think that you made a witty comment-but it really isn't. Throwing around words like treason, especially without basis and against a deceased person is very unwise. And you depreciate the term when it used against individuals who have actually committed such acts. Perhaps you would like to rethink your comment.
Thanks for watching.
@@jimcronin2043 You are the seditious one jackboot liquor.
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You a neocon bot?
@@jimcronin2043 Who said treason? Oh you did. You need to work on your comprehension skills.
McStain's Family tried insisting that he be buried in Arlington, National Cemetary as a War Hero, but his Family's Request was denied by the Pentagon, because the Pentagon said that only War Heroes are allowed to be buried in Arlington, but they did allow his remains to be buried in Annapolis, Maryland at the US Naval Academy Cemetary.
I disagree with your positive assessment of McCain. An unrepentant pagan who led a dishonorable corrupt, evil life. I hope he repented before his departure from this world.
Thanks for watching. The assessment was an overview dispelling myths
FORGOTTENHISTORYCHANNEL, whose myths? The phrase where there's smoke there's fire may not always be correct but John McCain had a lot of smoke around him.
I've never interviewed or researched his military career, maybe he was a good man. But what he did after he came home says plenty about his character, and it isn't flattering.
Well said. Eternity is a long time.
Silverado Savings Scandal. The vicious way he spoke to the POW/MIA families after inexplicably sealing their records, is very hard to find these days. He was hortible.
Lincoln Thrift
My issue with McCain was he wanted us in a war all the time, and was directly responsible for the events that culminated in the war in Ukraine.
Bud Day a POW and MoH awardee spoke of his time with Him while being a POW, he spoke highly of McCain's service, but his political career is a different matter.
Bud Day was quoted as saying “This fing $hit” when the false allegations against McCain were rekindled in 2012. You left out Rear Adm. James Stockdale, Gen. Robbie Riser, Col. Leo Thorness, among others who confirmed McCain’s behavior while a POW. I’ll take the word of MOH recipients and a double Air Force Cross recipient over the LIES of “anonymous sources”.
It was always a kick sitting around the dinner table and listening to three generations of navy fighter and attack aviators absolutely crucify John S. McCain. They couldn't stand the guy. McCain's grand father and father were widely loved within the naval aviation community. My grand father as a young 20 year old F6F pilot would get called up to the flag bridge after every arial victory (Gramps had 4 1/2). Old ADM McCain would demand front and center every fighter pilot that had just scored a kill and have that aviator describe in great detail the last seconds of that Japanese pilot's brave military career. Heaven forbid a chute appearing.
My dad who was Academy class of 57 (knew McCain loosely there) and was CO of a A-4F squadron on board the USS Oriskany 1968/69 thought the John S. McCain stories were true to form. After McCain was shot down, the ship's aviators would thank God every day that McCain was no longer on the flight schedule. Everyone would live longer because of it.
Dad liked McCain's father. Thought he was the only admiral in theater that knew how f'd up the air war was being fought.
My sense was as a young kid around that dinner table was that no one gave McCain a hard time for behavior at the Hilton (signed confession didn't help).
He got a hard time because he was a truly horrible pilot and was pushed through. Failure after failure after failure. To the point of being beyond unsafe.
Breaking all Annapolis admission GPA floor levels was also part of his charm.
Naval Aviators are widely considered to be the best in the world. Few arguments against hold up, but navy fighter and attack pilots are a different breed and when you jam a John S. McCain into the pattern - It just won't be pleasant dinner conversation.
God bless your family, sir. You should be very proud of them! (IMO John McCains’ judgement will be on the Fauci level - & I believe MENGELE will be judged far less harshly as Fauci, (even though he embodied evil itself….)
His father was an admiral who sold out our men on the USS Lbrty. Trsh. Like father, like son. I lived in AZ for 5 years. I met dozens of people who despised him and his family. These people were locked up with him at the HH or had family members, friends who were. Said he was a weak, selfish, dishonorable snitch. They weren't just talking, they gave details. His wife now makes a fortune using millions of our tax dollars feeding people in other countries. At least that is what her story is. US and W European taxpayers paying to give her a nice fat salary and unlimited travel.
Thank you for this honest take on an amazingly complex man that we called "Uncle John". He was not our uncle and only my older siblings met him, not me. But my gather was his classmate at the USNA class 58 and kept in touch for over 50 yrs. Best friends? Nope. But when my NJ National Guard deployment turned from 9 months to 15 months, to 24 months or more because of the "surge", one call to his office, that spread to other senators offices on both sides of the aisles, secured our trip home after 22 months. Mind you that active duty Army that were being awarded for doing 3 tours, only did 4-6 months at a time. And they had no isolation time, meaning they went home to there families every night during train up, and, decomission time. We were on total lock down for weeks or months.
Airforce was even worse. Mis t of their tours were 3-4 months. Again, the train up time was on station, home at night.
Now, I live in the Philippines and the stories of the Pacific campaign I learned puts what we did in battle in the Middle East to shame.
So yeah, things are different. Keep it all in perspective.
God bless.
“Political Maverick” indeed. RINO
You're a Maverick when you are a Republican who sides with a Democrat. If you are a Democrat who sides with a Republican, you're a racist bigot
To COLIN - instead of just making a few "thanks for watching" comments, could you PLEASE read through the comments section and consider doing a follow-up to this video - after doing a bit more research into McCain's character and actions.
To be honest, I'm concerned you generated a lot of negative reaction here which could affect the production of these videos in the future. I promise you, McCain was not the man you portrayed here, despite of how charmed you might have been when you met him.
I'll give you a "heads-up".... read or re-read the book by George Orwell called "1984", see if anything that is written in that a book (written in 1949) resembles what is currently going on in the world scene today. There are literally dozens of books written about what the world-wide take-over of the planet would look like and they all pretty much end the same way, the enslavement of mankind. Remember, mostly all this literature was written at least 60 - 75 years ago.....
Ironically, you comment failed to receive the obligatory, "thanks for watching" comment 🤣🤣
So the guy who gave info that led to thousands of deaths from pow camp to the field is justified because of daddy. Cnn watcher
What about passing a fake dossier ?
You should cover the actions by his first wife, and how McCain divorced her after his return.
I understand she was a beautiful model but was in a terrible car accident while he was away and she was disfigured and he didn't want her anymore. Hard to think much of a guy like that.
@@xoxohonna The story I heard was that she wasn't presentable as a politicians wife and Cindy came from a prominent family. Just like Hillary moved to New York to run for Senator as it was the best choice for a successful campaign, McCain moved to Arizona for the same reason.
It should be noted she remained fiercely loyal to McCain after the divorce. That may say more about her than him, though. The Reagans, who she worked for, never really forgave McCain and were always cold to him even though he adored Reagan. He had a lot of affairs while married to Carol. The one he chose as his second wife was very attractive and very, very, very rich.
The video might also added to his poor Academy performance just how thoroughly undistinguished in every respect his service was before his captivity--and how much, during and after the academy, he benefited from being a nepo baby as the kids say. For example, McCain crashed three or four planes and kept his wings. The usual number allowed when your dad isn't Admiral McCain is zero. He wasn't a good pilot; he's celebrated purely because of the character he showed in captivity.
Rather than abstractly associate McCain opposition and skepticism with "liberals" and "Democrats" ("and some Republicans" mentioned briefly once) as is common on the channel, the video really should have mentioned the _real_ tight association--namely, that between opinion on McCain's POW heroism and _the live prisoners left in Vietnam debate_ that has little correlation with the left-right divide. McCain and John Kerry were instrumental in closing the final investigation into the issue and in the long larger process, the very long and hard push from square one to finish, of normalizing relations with Socialist Vietnam. The all-encompassing loathing that the live prisoner advocates had for McCain could not possibly be overstated. (I myself do not know nearly enough about this issue to have an opinion.)
Nonetheless although far from my favorite I enjoyed this video and have really enjoyed this channel!
@@salvadorromero9712 - You claim not to "know nearly enough" but you obviously know more than around 99.9999% I worked with (and befriended) a gentleman who was one of McCain's instructors in flight school. He flunked McCain out of the program, but somehow the Academy grad son and grandson of admirals got "un-flunked". It was common knowledge among the several Vietnam vet pilots I knew that McCain was shot down while violating policy - doing a flyby over the scene to conduct his own damage assessment.
Bad naval aviators do NOT survive hundreds of cats and traps. They die attempting to become carrier qualified.
His war actions are fine. Being an oath breaker while in office is not.
What the fuck you know about his history
Giving info that lead deaths to others is unforgiveable. What makes his life more important than theirs?
@@Bobby-l1y what info? What are you talking about?
Is it common practice for the Navy to assign graduates from the academy who rank in the bottom 1% of their class to naval aviator fighter pilot positions?
Only when nepotism is involved
when you have people in high places...
@@FORGOTTENHISTORYCHANNELinteresting i know there different aircraft on carriers but was Skyhawk a low rank aircraft for low rank pilots?
Depends on the current needs of the Navy. From my understanding if there is a pilot shortage then they will have unlimited naval air billets. He may have just been at the right place at the right time. But rest assured with his father being who he was the old man would have made sure he got to whatever billet he wanted.
Actually, the Navy does not assign pilots based on Academy rank. (Some of our greatest generals were bottom tier cadets.) The Navy--and Air Force and Marines, grade your FLYING SKILL in pilot training, then assign you either to the latest fighters or to the slow cargo planes. During war, with a shortage of fighter pilots, the Navy took a jet jockey who was brash and aggressive and put him into A-4s. In fact, look up Jimmy Doolittle. He was a reckless pilot who crashed several planes--but was selected to lead the first raid on Tokyo, flying Army Air Corps bombers off of navy aircraft carriers. They made him a general for that.
In the early 1980s, Capt Stratton came to speak to our class. He warned us that a former pow was running for the U.S. House of Representatives from Arizona. He said this individual, who he did not name, had collaborated with the Vietnamese. He said that if this individual had admitted his mistake and apologized even up until the time the pows stepped onto the plane to go home, all would have been forgiven. But he did not.
Ol Songbird.
I'm pretty sure that was BS
@@gbonkers666 - Stratton wasn’t bs’ing. There was no hint of sarcasm or irony in his voice.
hanoi jane fonda's still a traitor as far as I'm concerned.
Graduating that low and getting into fighter school….really amazing….or something
It certainly helps to have 2 admirals in your family tree, particularly if one is CINCAIRPAC.
No doubt, helped having family in high places!
Not fighter school, navy flight school. McCain was not a fighter pilot but an attack pilot…flew A4’s a fine ac with an important mission. Just making a fine point.
There is no "fighter school." McCain was an attack pilot, not a fighter pilot.
And you graduated Navy flight school when? Navy Flight School is harder than getting Air Force Flight School.
I’m sympathetic to his time as a pow.
He was a piece of trash when it came to representing the people. His Maricopa County ties to corruption, his fraudulent university of Arizona dealings, his money laundering foundation plus much more.
We were told 30 days in advance the exact time, day, hour and minute of his execution. He was offered a chance to come clean and didn’t take it. He’s tied to human trafficking as well. Remember the “boot” on his leg before he died? It kept changing legs?
It was an ankle monitor because he was under arrest. . His whole family is involved in corruption all the way up to his grandfather.
Interesting, moon boot as there few Australians ware the moon boot before they died aka Bert Newton, this all kick off after 2017 i believe.
Thanks for watching.
You and the QAnon Shaman get your facts from the same crackpipe.
and his spirit lives on in Maricopa with the board of supervisors 😉wink
Head of the AZ 'mafia', which still exists. They're the reason Lake lost.
I think he was a patriot at some point in his life. But in his later years I think he was a spiteful petty man. My good friend worked as a staffer for his campaign, and his encounters with him corroborates the profile of a personality that was elitist and stubborn. He didn’t sell out America as a naval officer, but he did as a senator.
Thanks for watching.
Another good one. I met Sen McCain in his office here in Phoenix. I also met Sen John Kyl in his office as well. I used to run service tickets for their servers way back in the day. I'll just say, Sen Kyl, much more humble man. The first time I met him was during the Bush Gore mess and in the middle of the "Hamging Chads" debate. I pulled into the parking lot of hos office at 24th st and Camelback. It was a tiny lot for the office bldg. As I was pulling in, a beat to hell old maybe...70s Suburban was pulling out of covered parking. As it started to pass by me, the driver waved me to stop. The driver rolled down his window (remember when you had to actually manually crank it down?) and...damn if it wasn't Sen Kyl. He asked ..."Are you the really smart guy here for our computer". I replied, "Well, Senator... I'm here about your computer...the Server." He smiled and laughed and said "go ahead and take my parking spot I'll be gone for hours. Don't worry about it and stay there as long as you need. Really appreciate you coming out so fast. Been a heck of a few weeks." I thanked him, gave him a wink and said, "Giv'em hell, Senator. He laughed and thanked me and drove off.
Saw him in the office the next day. Had to do a simple swap of a failed drive in a disk array. He was working the phones and making sure that moron Gore didn't steal the election.
He caught walking out and yelled from his office...."Son, can you come here for a second." I stood in the doorway of his office and he thanked me for taking care of the server and...the "Wink in the parking lot...it made my day." I had trouble finding words and...people who know me...know I never ..have problems finding words lol. I blurted out..."You're one of the good guys and I'm sure you'll work it out".
Gore finally conceded a few days later. That's my Jon Kyl story. One of the few humble and honest men in DC ever. He could have made a fine president but, he was too damn decent for the job...I suppose. Sure could use a Jon Kyl there today in DC!
and because of that 2000 hanging chad we got machines with open ports 4 years later to "make sure that never happened again" and enable the u know what exponentially ever since. why Florida had triangle shaped hole punchers is beyond me. Why werent they round as we had in California? SMH
@@lovly2cu725 it was all planned. Just the excuse "they" used to bring in the "ch3@t boxes"
I met John Kyle at a conference at the Reagan ranch a few years ago. Your assessment is spot on.
There are no more men like that anymore! Look at Austin; more worried about what colors of dresses and make up some of his soldiers are going to wear than on respect, honesty, and integrity! Same thing with Miller. Do we dare to include that man trying to impersonate a woman?
A group of physicians scheduled appointments with our Senators. Like you, i agree that Senator Kyl is a good decent man. Senator McCain couldnt be bothered. All I can say is that he had a nice painting in the waiting room.
Still, the stories of "Songbird McCain" won't go away.
I vaguely remember prisoners he served with speaking out against him and his service in 2008. They claimed he cowered under pressure and gave him the nickname "songbird". These things should also have been addressed in this video. Enough people that served with him have called him a coward and a traitor to warrant further discussion. I think this video damages your credibility somewhat.
I met John once when I was in college. I had no idea he was anything but some senator from Arizona. Nice enough guy but a total POS as a politician.
Quote your sources!!! They don't exist! They're all made up! EVERYTHING in your trashy comment is PURE FICTION!!!
Old internet rumor. The funny thing is internet nerds that make this stuff up don’t realize all the names of the POWs can be referenced. No real person confirmed the internet fantasy
@@madjack4407 I have heard it directly from Vietnam Veteran's mouths. Same for Jane Fonda. So quit with your misinformation.
@@bags4930Ditto. Too many times to discount as a rumor.
@@bags4930 listen, I know you baby boomers struggle to tell what is real and what isn’t on the internet. There is no hard data to back the lies up. If you don’t know how to read military records or even access historical newspapers, why take such an opinion on something you don’t really know a thing about. What makes that “Vietnam Vet” reliable? Did they debrief McCain? In prison with him? The songbird lie can be pinpointed to an early 2000s stolen valor veterans website.
Did the McCain family write the narraration? Many men who were in prison with the "White Weasel" would disagree totally with this. No mention of the info he gave, how he was made a trustee and would rat out fellow prisoners. Let alone the training mishaps AND the lie of the Forrestal. McCain landed with an armed Zuni pod, when a generator's exhaust got too close, the pod launched. NO midshipman at the middle of his class, let alone the bottom, would EVER be considered for flight training. McCain would have been a 20 year Lt. in supply if it wasn't for his father. Nepotism which took lives.
McCain's A-4 wasn't carrying Zunis on that day. It was an F-4 that fired the Zuni. Republicans are seditious liars.
Your Forrestal narrative is pure BS. It did not happen after a landing with an armed zuni pod. It happened during preparation for a launch. The zuni launched from an A-4 spotted across across the deck from McCain. The missile hit McCain's A-4 in its drop tank setting the jet on fire.
I'll check the stories, but I think you have the Forrestal and Enterprise accidents mixed up. The Zuni was fired from across the deck from McCain because the "Ordies" doing a static check. The other was a "huffer" that backed up to a 500lb'r and cooked it off.
@@scottw.8871 What's the matter doesn't Russian Internet get Wikipedia? McCain's A-4 wasn't carrying Zunis. It was a defect in the Zuni (on an F-4B) plus the ordnance men weren't following safety protocols. McCain was a victim of the Forrestal fire, not the cause. Furthermore, draft dodging Trump is despicable for calling all POWs losers for getting captured. McCain was shot down on his TWENTY-THIRD combat mission over Vietnam......and draft dodging Trump called him a loser. Want the video?
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@@scottw.8871 Absolutely correct
We are told to believe what the msm tells us to believe, and we dutifully obey. We even worship people without using our brains!! One generation follows all the others. Tolstoy said, “History would be a wonderful thing, if only it was true”. It’s NOT.
Just remember, Jane Fonda apologized more than once. John McCain never did.
John Stockwell, ex-CIA officer, whistle blower, Central America, Congo, and Vietnam was my hero. Thank you, Colin, sir.
Jane Fonda ain't sorry! She is a typical leftard lunatic!
Thanks for watching.
You failed to mention he let the Gang of 8 fake RINO establishment clowns to allow illegal alien invaders to become citizens aka voting Democrats.
Glaring omission.
Jane Fonda only apologized initially because her career was at stake. And her apology has always been that she "was used for propoganda purposes by the North Vietnamese" by being photographed sitting on an anti-aircraft gun. She's never taken responsibility for her actions, so any apology she's ever issued is meaningless. It's one thing to be anti-war, it's another thing to do what Jane Fonda did.
Sounds like Jane Fonda is your hero. Who is John Stockwell? Did you mean Admiral James Stockdale, who attested to the fact that John McCain’s service was honorable? Get your information straight before passing judgement on someone.
Let's all have a moment of silence to honor John McCain's cancer. It made the ultimate sacrifice to protect the world from John McCain's war mongering.
Sickening
@@KingfishStevens-di9ji I agree. It's absolutely awful he lived as long as he did. So many lives lost.
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Amen!
Amen 🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸
Song bird, Show boat, special SOB, Don’t Know and who cares about McCain and GI Jane, War storytellers tell many stories
McCain was a great example of power corrupts and absolute power corrupts, absolutely. Rarely does a politician get better the longer they stay in office.
Thanks for watching.
He was corrupt!!
You don't get eleven mansions in "public service" by being honest
Thanks for watching.
His daughter follows in his footprint! She's as crooked as he was!
Once asked a USNA classmate of McCain what McCain was like and he said he was an “a55hole.” Dumping his wife on his return was a real low point. To his credit he did decline early repatriation from POW camp. Admittedly, had he accepted it would have been devastating for his future. Much as one might support Trump one of the dumbest things he ever said was about McCain when Trump said he preferred heroes who didn’t get shot down. During the Vietnam war our government was leaking targets to the North Vietnamese to minimize civilian casualties at the expense of our pilots. Although there is nothing necessarily heroic about being shot down or being a POW neither is enviable or meriting any criticism. He may have had serious character flaws and his POW conduct may be questioned by some but he did serve our country voluntarily in combat
He recklessly caused multiple accidents resulting in the deaths of others.
You mean like his big joke hot starting on the Forrestal setting off the ordinance behind him?
@@bobchiggs The A4 had a pratt and whitney J52 engine, they are not easy to "hot start" on purpose. (I was a qualified to operate these engines when I was active duty Navy) When aircraft on the flight deck are spotted for launch their tails are pointed a away from the deck, toward the water. His aircraft was hit by a zuni rock that came from a F4 phantom on the other side of the deck. You have no idea how air operations on a carrier are performed.
@@bobchiggs OMG! Have you ever done any research on it...and not from your "buddies" in the bar. Read Sailors to the End by Gregory Freeman, and do your own research...from a credible sources and not your barroom buddies.
We wouldn't be talking about this if Barry Goldwater had been elected in 64.
My farther was warned that if he voted for Goldwater in 1964 there would be over 500,000 troops in South Vietnam by 1968. My father did and it sure happened.
@@francisebbecke2727 - Best comment ever - thanks for sharing.
Thanks for watching.
Barry Goldwater couldn't get elected dog catcher in todays GOP
@@francisebbecke2727 And Goldwater didn't send them there. LBJ escalated that war.
A great knowledgeable blog ! I had no idea about John McCain. Thankyou for clearing up the mystery. I was a victim of the BS from unreliable sources . He truly was a hero . I've endured broken multiple ribs in the past and the pain was horrible. John's mental strength was truly commendable considering his body was busted up and they still tortured him anyway .
I'll never question John McCain's service DURING the Vietnam War... His career in politics well that's another issue...
Remember the Keating Five?
Oh I think his service IS to be questioned as well
@@SuperBuickregal His career in politics well that's another issue... AND his promise (which he used in his last re-election campaign) was to repeal Obama Care and he was the deciding vote to keep it. All due to his antipathy to Trump
@@WyldStallion-bs9oo please enlighten us
@@WyldStallion-bs9oo oh why?
My great uncle was a POW with McCain.
I don’t understand how someone that endured so much as a POW, could bail on his wife and country as a politician?
It's refreshing to listen to History from a man of Honor and Dignity.
My dad knew a man who had been a petty officer on the Forrestal and this man was convinced the fire was McCain's fault and everything was covered up because of him being an admiral's son. I have no idea if this is true or not but the man convinced my dad.
Thanks for watching.
How could a normal....person live with that ( so many dead..the destruction) and don't forget isis.
@@janisrands8990 Because it didn't happen like that. McCain had NOTHING to do with the fire. Lots of liars commenting here.
@@Abledoggie42 Thanks Doggie. I hate to see ignorant assholes trashing a good man. I attended SERE March 75 at Warner Springs. Good times.
Yeah, the petty officer is/was a liar...
I've heard it said by several sources, none of which i can confirm, that he crashed multiple military aircraft by "hot dogging", was separated from his fellow prisoners and given preferential treatment due to his status as an admiral's son, and gave up vital intel without coercion. Again, I don't know, but it's not hard to imagine, given how he behaved as a politician.
He was a hot dogger, he crashed once and hit a powerline once, he absolutely did not start the Forrestal fire--that is politcal slander. He was a special prisoner for two reasons. First, he was terribly injured on capture and second, North Vietnamese intelligence discovered his father was an admiral. So they offered to release him from prison (as a propaganda gesture), but MCCAIN REFUSED TO TAKE EARLY RELEASE because the code of the POW says first in will be first out. So he stayed, broken by injuries and tortured regularly, for 5 more years--to stick to the code. And no, the info he gave up was not vital. Everybody breaks under torture. We are trained to give up as little as possible. He did. A fellow POW, Bud Day (Medal of Honor recipient) said that McCain was true to the USA and called McCain a hero.
So, you heard it? You Heard It?
My brother, a Vietnam war veteran, believed that the US Military ought to issue a blanket statement that all US POW’s are cleared to sign any statements in order to avoid torture and that such statements are regarded as false.
I always thought that.
I agree. In fact, many PWs broke under torture. But we nearly never prosecuted any of them. They suffered enough.
Most everyone who had joined the U.S. military has done at least one noble thing in his or her life. That does not make them heroes, or even noble people. Sometimes, in difficult situations, people "rise to the occasion" - then sink back down to their previous status once the crisis is over. I can not begin to imagine the suffering inflicted on the men who were prisoners/victims of the North Vietnamese, and have no way of knowing what I myself might have been able to endure.
All that having been said, John McCain was what he was - and what he was was the man who put his own ego ahead of the welfare of the Republic and gave us eight years of Barack Obama. There was no way he could have beaten Obama in the general election, and he had to be the most naive (or self-deluded) man in Washington to think the leftist media would treat him as kindly in the general election as they did during the primaries. Ironically, he refused to let our enemies "use" him while a POW, but played right into their hands as a Senator.
the north Vietnamese are probably more honest than western leftists too lmfao
at least the NVA wasn't try to chop little kids balls off
But Romney the 2nd place to McCain also lost to Obama 4 years later. No one was going to beat Obama, not even Killary.
Well said
I appreciate your comment. Having not served in the military I won’t pretend to be able to judge McCain in any way concerning his performance as a soldier. I honor his legacy and sacrifices. However I do think it is fair to criticize his performance as a politician. And agree with your take
Interesting take on McCain’s presidential aspersions running against Bathhouse Barry. Our fifth rate Fourth Estate was totally starry eyed and completely in the bag for him to be the Nation’s first Marxist black president and they were embarrassingly sold out to this smooth talking, know nothing, snake oil selling, community agitator.
I still want to know why McCain blocked the scheduled release of POW debriefs.
we are working on that video
Because they wanted to wrap up the negotiations and could no longer revisit the issue, so a decision was made to bury it, and the job was given to McCain to keep it buried.
@@FORGOTTENHISTORYCHANNELDidn't John Kerry challenge McCain on that?
"Song Bird" McCain's history is far from forgotten. This video is McCain's words given after his release and return to the U.S. 1968 in the Dayroom of an Army barracks at the Signal School at Ft. Gordon, GA, myself and many other soldiers watched a video news clip with John McCain, the North Vietnamese filmed, telling the world that the U.S. military in Vietnam were "war criminals" and had no right to be there. McCain went on to say how well he had been treated and how amazing the North Vietnamese people were, and the U.S. should leave the country. Every soldier in that dayroom on that day screamed profanities at the TV and talked about the video for days. The Forrestal aircraft carrier catastrophe caused by a fired missile from a jet on the flight deck came from John McCain's jet while he was at the controls. His admiral grand dad and admiral father got him steered away from blame. John McCain had several accidents that would have gotten him grounded if not for his relatives in High Rank.
“"The people responsible for this attempted smear of John’s character should be ashamed of themselves. They don’t deserve the sacrifices he made on their behalf.”
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“… three of McCain's fellow POWs - Everett Alvarez, Orson Swindle and Jerry Coffee - provided a joint statement …
"Like many of us, John was subjected to torture, and coerced into making a false confession," they said in the written statement. "We all tried, as John did, to resist to the best of our physical and mental abilities the abuse the enemy inflicted on us. But we all have our limits, and many of us reached ours in Hanoi. ... He fought our captors as hard as any of us. He did all that could be expected of him."
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McCain's three fellow POWs pushed back hard against anybody who would disparage McCain's devotion to the United States.
"It is outrageous that anyone would try to embarrass him by using this 'confession' to call into question his faithful service to our country," Alvarez, Swindle and Coffee said. "The people responsible for this attempted smear of John’s character should be ashamed of themselves. They don’t deserve the sacrifices he made on their behalf.”
www.azcentral.com/story/news/politics/azdc/2016/08/13/john-mccain-pow-recordings-revive-historic-painful-episode/88547416/
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The fact that the bunch of you, sitting in the comfort of your day room watching TV, would presume to pass judgment on someone who just suffered four days of nonstop beatings and torture, worse than anything you could ever imagine, is a display of arrogance and ignorance beyond compare.
Did it ever occur to you that a video clip produced by the North Vietnamese might not be accurate?
Stockdale on Stoicism II:
Master of My Fate
VADM James B. Stockdale, USN (Retired)
“Admiral Stockdale served on active duty in the regular Navy for 37 years… Shot down on his third combat tour over North Vietnam, he was the senior naval prisoner of war in Hanoi for seven and one-half years…”
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“The key word for all of us at fIrst was fragility. Each of us, before we were ever in shouting distance of another American, was made to "take the ropes”… These were the sessions where we were taken down to submission and made to blurt out distasteful confessions of guilt and American complicity into antique tape recorders … (followed by total isolation four 6-8 weeks)
“When put into a regular cell block, hardly an American came out of that without responding something like this when first whispered to by a fellow prisoner next door: "You don't want to talk to me; I am a traitor." And because we were equally fragile, we all replied something like this: "Listen, pal, there are no virgins in here. You should have heard the kind of statement I made. Snap out of it. We're all in this together. What's your name? Tell me about yourself." To hear that last was, for most new prisoners just out of initial shakedown and cold soak, a turning point in their lives.”
www.usna.edu/Ethics/_files/documents/Stoicism2.pdf
Unless you have 37 years of time in service, and 7 1/2 years has a POW in North Vietnam, you have no right to say anything about anyone who went through what they did.
I gave McCain the location where Frank Gould was with photos as I met him . I received a letter from McCain stating to mind my own business and anyone in Laos was AWOL . That was from McCain. At the same time near Sam Nau ( spelling) were 14 mia pows working in the Forrest . They visited a hospital once a month for medical checkups. This he dismissed.
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Do one on Tim Walz
What is this the coward channel.
His nickname during his time in captivity was “songbird,” because he gave the enemy information without being seriously tortured. He was offered early release, but all of those guys who went home early or accepted preferential treatment were called the “slimmies, slipperies, and the sleazies.” So he would have been grouped in with these men and his princely status would have been ruined.
I had the fortunate out of the blue meeting with one of the Hanoi Hilton's prisoner not too long after his return home and what he told me was extremely horrifying and I always wondered how I would handle the extremely inhumane treatment. These men are true heroes unlike the likes of Hanoi Jane. God Bless these American Heroes. Thank you Colin for putting this out front.
I have the utmost respect for any survivor of the Hanoi Hilton. I have toured what's left and it isn't good. However, I do not have much respect for a political career that is compromised with leftists. I refuse to believe the accusations until someone with first-hand knowledge tells me otherwise. But it is easy to see how some could believe that the rich boy who came home a hero and then became wealthy and politically powerful for decades might have cut some corners. Thanks for the video.
@@arepadetrigo He was such an ass hole that he turned his back on his wife that stood by him all the years that he was a POW divorce her to marry a younger woman. Does that give you just a small hint of his personal character. By the way the Ex never turned on him!!!!
He was and is still called songbird McCain by the other POW’s. But you say nobody said that. They are still saying it. Hmmmmm.
I have heard this acusation before but I have never heard who was the POW that said it.
I don't believe what you've reported here is complete. You didn't mention the sealing of his war papers. You didn't mention a lot
The goal was to make McCain look good in this video and pass over anything negative or defend him if it.
I’d take Bathhouse Barry’s word for something before I’d take ANYTHING McCain said about his life experiences. He’s a spoiled brat kid of an admiral who’s himself a son of an admiral. He would never have graduated flight school with his antics if he hadn’t had two admirals in his family lineage. His treatment of his severely injured ex wife and his marriage to rich girl Cindy Hensley was another indicator of his lack of character. His prisoner of war actions were the best John could do for John knowing what would’ve been waiting for him if he’d taken early release or any kind of gratuity from the North Vietnamese. I’m not sure if he had any plans for politics until he met Hensley but he had other prisoners, fellow military members, and especially his namesake father and grandfather watching his decisions and they were being watched by their fellow officers regarding how John was treated. It was always about keeping up appearances to John McCain and the only ONE that he had to impress at the end couldn’t care less about appearances but only whether he had accepted, before he died, the gift he was offered by Jesus from the Cross on Calvary..
Good post except that "Bathhouse Barry" is, at least, as EVIL as John McCain.
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Granddaddy wasn't around to watch, he kicked it in Sept 45, and got his 4th star posthumously.
didnt he have a daughter with his 1st wife, named sidney?
Hpme owe Obama.
my impression of him is that he lived like a King 'serving' the American taxpayer.
He had ELEVEN mansions
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@@FORGOTTENHISTORYCHANNEL No rebuttal?
@@rickiecomeaux8287That is not the host’s job. He said his piece in the video. If the comment is worth rebuttal I’m sure there will be a video forthcoming.
Lived like a king in Hanoi Hilton?
Reading through the comments proves informative. The work you did to put this video together is impressive. Thanks for all the great stories.
It was one sided and it sugar coated his life.
Trump was right about McCain.
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@@FORGOTTENHISTORYCHANNEL Your video was great BTW. I just think McCain became more corrupt over time. His vote to kill the repeal of Obama care spoke volumes about his character.
and the payback was thumbs down to remove Obamacare and ran with the fake dossier to the other side
@@FORGOTTENHISTORYCHANNEL Thanks for the information. I wondered about his service.
@@TomAdelstein Must of the comments here are wrong. Tom, I suggest you research McCain independantly of all the hearsay crap in this comment section.
It’s interesting how you didn’t mention him meeting with the head of ISIS in Syria.
not a 1 hour documentary. Obama met with the leadership of Iran
National leaders meet other leaders--it's their job.