So when you pitch a tent at the beach you think it’s fair that the police come tell you take it down? Thats honestly what it is.. How is it fair?!! They are not selling anything at a stand.. They make luxury tents at the beach and then take it down.. What is the issue.. PS THEY ARE TAX PAYERS OF THAT LAND!!! They are from San Diego duh!!!
@protosparadiso_ How about this duche.. They went to the court to do what you said.. Maybe you didn't watch the video.. But they said they are making them get a permit each day to run their business.. Do you think that's fair? Do they do that to your business? Hating on anyone's hustle is some hater shit.. I'm a real estate investor, so I don't see the problem with a person being their own boss no matter what the occupation.. Show support or just be a hater.. Your Choice..
@@protosparadiso_ So injustice is how you deal with the process.. Just shows how you are a coward.. David was a little boy when he took down Goliath.. Age ain’t the problem.. It’s Blatant corruption and cowardice from others that don’t help the cause anyway.. This also shows how you have no empathy.. How old do you get when start losing feelings? You must be at that age I’m guessing..
I have worked as a photographer off and on for years. Photographers who do photo shoots for clients in public parks have to apply for a permit and pay a fee. You are using taxpayer space for your business and that means it can’t be enjoyed by the public for whom it’s meant. It’s like using someone’s yard without asking. They have to control the number of times it is happening so the public can still have access.
That’s everyone’s PUBLIC beach. If you want to run a business on it, PUSHING OUT FAMILIES AND RESIDENTS WHO ALSO WANT TO USE IT, get a permit. Welcome to the real world.
Public space doesn't freely exists, it has to be maintained, cleaned, secured, renovated, etc. In addition, if one person could use it for personal business, then EVERYBODY could also use it for personal business.
Honestly, the fact that the city actually went through the legal steps to create permits for these businesses makes the city council seam quite level-headed and accommodating.
@@Joy-rh8cg Homelessness can no longer be solved at the local or state level in my opinion. The current homelessness crisis in California can be traced all the way back to Reagan as governor, when he decided to shut down a lot of state-funded hospitals that treated mental health patients in order to fund tax cuts. He also backed Prop 13 which reduced property taxes, leading to local budget shortfalls across the state, while perpetually inflating home prices.
I have to agree with the city on this one, with a caveat. Been plenty of times I’ve been walking on the beach or in a park where there’s been one of these luxury picnic events and every one of them had alcohol which unfortunately is illegal on city beaches and parks now. I’m for these entrepreneurs negotiating with the city on permits for the space and temporary liquor licenses. I’ve been to a couple of beach weddings pre pandemic and those all had permits. Play by the rules or work with the city government to come to an amicable agreement. Quit being a “victim”.
🤣😂🤣 didn't think of that. It hit me when she said it but your right she should've paused on camera mid sentence and turned around and stared out into the ocean turned around back to the camera and said "something's gotta change"
It's simple: beaches and parks are public property, paid for by the residents and maintained by the city. You do not have the inherent right to take up space away from others for private purposes, (especially commercial ventures) unless you compensate the public for the use, or come to an arrangement with the city such that your use doesn't impact others. If you let this go on long enough and these people begin to think that they're entitled to use the beach at the expense of others without paying rent.
Are not the people having the picnic also part of the community and the general public? Why are they not allowed to eat on a pretty table? You people pick the stupidest shit to be mad about.
@@bettiraige3474People from the public wanting to have the picnic are perfectly free to find an open spot the day of, or reserve some space through the city park services as is usually the case if they're throwing a birthday party or some family gathering. In most cases (groups under 50 people), that part is and should be free of charge (or a nominal fee if space is to be reserved exclusively), since the park is a public resource. They are then free to rent or hire someone to bring tables and whatnot. What is not allowed is for a private business to take up public space at the expense of the public and turn around and charge people for the use. That space was to be made available to the public for free or nearly free. These people have turned a public resource into an exclusive private good without compensating the public. They could have legally charged money to bring the tables and foodstuffs as a catering service, but they cannot make money by taking up public space and charging people the rent as if they owned it. That section of park belongs to the public who shouldn't have to pay to use it.
@@bettiraige3474 I don't think anyone is mad. But these commercial ventures do not have exclusive use of public property. Also, if something happened, someone got hurt, the city would be held responsible. Do these business ventures have liability insurance for what they are doing?
@@xx_Joker_xx Is what they're doing any different then a family who sets up some table cloths on picnic tables, or blankets on a beach, for their kid's party and "reserves" an area until the rest of the guests show up? Is that family required to have liability insurance for their party? I mean I understand if these private companies are roping off areas and not allowing anyone to walk through or anything like that. But paying person to essentially cater for an outing/party doesn't seem that different than individuals doing the same thing just not paying anyone for it.
@@Mike__B A family who sets up some tablecloths on picnic tables, or blankets on a beach, for the most part does not do it daily or consistently, nor take public space to make money for themselves. That's the difference!
They're also preparing food to sell without health department permits. Many people aren't keen on puking for a few days so the city kind of likes venders to pass a test on basic food safety.
@MrWaterbugdesign I wish they cared about that where I live. People come out at night setting up pop-up shops from the trunks of cars and set up tents every so many blocks. Unrefrigerated food and lots of meat. It just screams e-coli 🤮 City won't do anything to stop them.
For real. Set up a tailgate business out in the parking lot, catching beachgoers and see how that plays out. No right-minded legal team would argue that. ( They'd take your money, but wouldn't be able to successfully argue the point).
Actually it is an event business. The same as party rental businesses that set up jumpers, popcorn machines etc at public parks. All they require is a permit.
But once word gets out we can expand into many other kinds of businesses. I'm thinking of pitching tents on the beach and renting them out on Airbnb. 1000's of businesses. I guess then the city would regulate me too and limit me to only one tent per beach. Still, pretty sweet money maker.
On the other hand, if _hundreds_ of people are making a living, by selling ready-made picnics, then there's obviously huge public demand for this service. The people WANT this business. Why would we want government to prohibit what people _want?_ And people _clearly_ want the convenience of having picnic supplies delivered all the way to the sand, for them. It's no worse than having groceries delivered to your door. If I'm going to the beach, and the people next to me have a picnic, how does it affect me, whether they brought their own chairs/canopy/food, or paid someone to deliver it for them? It's the same either way... It'd be the same exact people, having a picnic next to me. And no, you don't have a right to an empty beach, with no picnics in sight. Is it illegal to have a picnic on the beach? Gawd, I hope not. What's next... you can't go to the beach if you take an Uber... only if you drive your own car? This is all toxic nit-picking. People get addicted to dreaming up nonsense rules for other people, and then trying to get the government to enforce them. Stop trying to control other people.
@@hxhdfjifzirstc894 I think the main problem is with all these illegal business of luxury picnics is It takes away a picnic table from someone who just wants to have a simple picnic of their own lunch meats, and sodas, and doesn’t want to pay any extra for luxury picnic, take along their own self picnic.
People who defend their illegal business on the grounds that it makes them money...how is this a defense? They are using public property to run an illegal business.
@@primotote most pay rent, or apply for a vendor license. Plenty have support from the community. These people are blow-ins taking from the community they don't seem to be part of. Notice there was only a few pictured here in the video. Street vendors are awesome in some places. Takers not so much
Their complaint comes down to "we should be able to stake-out prime spots in public parks and beaches whenever we want and keep others from those areas for an indeterminate amount of time, and we should be able to profit off of this". Sorry, girls. Go figure it out.
Exactly. There are tons of private properties up and down the coast. Find someone who would be willing to rent out their lawn for a few hours on a regular basis. Not only does it give you consistent locations but saves the hassle and rudeness to others of going early in the morning to "save" the prime beach spots for themselves. If there's enough demand for hundreds of these businesses then people will be willing to pay for the added privacy of a private property instead of public beach. Nothing stopping you from walking down to dip your toes in the sand and water without having to plop a sultan's tent eyesore in front of everyone!
@@deeprollingriver52 Right, and it’s bad enough that we have to compete with each other for those few prime spots. Now we’re supposed to just step aside for these two ladies?
A pinic basket with a pretty blanket or a small table are ok. But it's not when you started putting up a gazebo, spread arrangements over half the beach, or blocking other beachgoers. You need to get a permit and/or rent if you want to use the beach for your business.
How can these business owners think it's ok for them to use public land for profit? And exclude others from using said land? They would have to block it off from others so that it's open when they want it, right? Anyway get licensed or permitted like the rest of us business owners do.
I'm a photographer and I am required to pay a professional photographer fee for use of the parks in my city. It makes sense to me as I'm using tax payer funded parks for my commercial business and income. It's about $300 per year. Hell of a lot cheaper than renting a studio!
I just asked this in a different comment, I wondered how that worked, and has anyone ever asked you to provide this proof? I wonder why they won't offer the same deal to the luxury picnic people?
Yes I am .. but parks are for the recreational use of the community, not for commercial use. If I (and people like me) are going to use a publicly funded location for their income, they should get permission and perhaps pay a commercial use fee. @@neomonk5668
so glad these business are getting closed down. they close off large sections of the beach so you can't share the area, and they are their all day camping the best spots at the beach.
Actually the city of San Diego is right sometimes these people do picnic events and they close sections of the beach or Park like if they're owning the park or Beach like if it was a private property we are not talking about picnic we are talking about 100 people or more because this is not a regular picnic we're talking about engagement parties weddings not only that but they leave a mess in the beach in the Parks
Weren't there already permits available to cover that sort of thing? I know that when one of my friends had a wedding reception at a local beach that they reserved an appropriate portion of the beach through the parks department, but it still left a lot of folks with plenty of space.
As much as I feel sad for these business owners, this had to be stopped. Imagine if everyone starts doing it…how will us public enjoy these views in public land.
The law against this has always existed. It's any business, not just picnics. City just learned this was even going on and started writing tickets. Picnic are allowed, but business use isn't without permits. Food businesses like these require health department permits in addition to business permits. That requires passing a test on basic food safety.
@@MrWaterbugdesign not to mention liability issues. I feel sure none of these picnic owners has the required business liability insurance coverage to cover themselves or the city, if someone should be injured.
@@JJUnohu huh.. do any of those tours set up tables, chairs, blankets, or food in public areas? You do realize that most parks require a permit for a large group to use the area for an event, right?
Nonsense... what difference does it make whether the picnickers hauled their own chairs and food down to the sand, or paid someone to carry it and set it up for them? Your whole take is based on petty jealousy... Lemme guess, you're also mad about your neighbors getting groceries delivered, because the delivery truck takes up more of the street """resources""" and traffic is worse, when you have to drive to the store and haul your own groceries, because you can't afford $1000 grocery deliveries.
@@hxhdfjifzirstc894 well you are wrong. I am immunocompromised and was very grateful for Instacart and generously tipped those who helped me out in 2020 and 2021. I live near beaches and see many happy families bring chairs, blankets and food. What I don’t see regular people bringing are gazebos, roses 🌹 interspersed every 8 feet creating a large perimeter that says to the public “KEEP AWAY” I guess we will just have to agree to disagree.
yeah sounds like you are just jealous of people who have a higher income than you. It isn't a financial thing, it's just people not being curious of others.
As someone that has come across this business on the beach is sometime annoying to deal with. Its not the planner their customers are acting like they own the spot. For example, my son and I were riding motorcycles and went to park at the water. We were told we were not allowed to park where we were because we were too close to someone's romantic picnic, and my bike was too loud. My response was I'm only gonna be here for 10 minutes and then they call the cops on me. ( Cops didn't do anything ) So in reality it's not necessarily business it's more of their customers that think they're entitled
You dont own the beach or the parks, let the customers come pick up the stuff and do it on their own. But to assume you can just use these places as your dining room is quite pretentous and insulting.
Yeah, this is an easy law to skirt around, right? Just prep everything for the customer, they come pick it up and take it all to whatever location they want.
On the other hand, what difference does it make whether the people having a picnic next to me physically hauled their stuff down to the sand, or paid someone else to do it for them? This is like being mad that your neighbor can afford to have groceries delivered to their front door, while you have to go to the grocery store and haul everything yourself. This is such a toxic way of living -- either way, it's the SAME PEOPLE sitting next to you.
@@hxhdfjifzirstc894 Totally agree, it's kind of a ridiculous situation, right. However, I can see there being a problem if the company was staking out land for the entire day with multiple clients coming one after the other. That literally would be setting up business on a public beach.
City is correct. They are essentially renting a space - a public space for profit. If they were renting the items for people (customers) to set it up themselves that would be different but they’re literally renting Public beaches.
One permit per day per location sounds pretty reasonable to me. Her saying that that isn't enough because there are hundreds of businesses that do this doesn't really help her argument.
Lazy ass only willing to do the bare minimum of work and effort. "OmG I hAvE tO _aPpLy_ FoR pErMiTs LiKe MuLtIpLe TiMeS a WeEk??" Welcome to _Commercial Catering,_ *Karen.*
Exactly. I am sure these companies just flew under the radar for a while and now that there are in her words "hundreds of them" I can only imagine how many of these picnics are being set up every day. You aren't making a living doing one picnic a day. So what each company is doing 10 per day? 20? Now you are talking thousands of picnics along the beach every day. It wasn't a big enough nuisance before to do anything about it. That is why the city put a stop to the unregulated use and that is why it isn't relatable to some random family wanting to go out and set up their own picnic. It's all about scale.
I wish they would highlight the increasing homelessness in San Diego, and how they set up camps wherever they want doing drugs in family oriented places including the beaches. They don’t have permits I’m sure…
We had a boat on Harbor Island. There would be picnics/ weddings/ work parties on many weekends. The amount of trash left behind was horrendous. Trash would blow into the water, zip ties and plastic table wear left behind. My husband found an entire cooler filled with beer one morning after one of these events. Someone needs to take responsibility for the messes that are left behind after many of these events.
How is it any less of a "private event" when you go to the beach and do all the very same things, except no paid helpers drop your stuff off? So you mean I can come sit with you and your wife? It's a "public event"? All I have to do is determine that you made your own sandwiches? How can any local residents availing themselves of the beach be somehow not "the public," but others are? Your own post is pretty low key, but tbh I find a lot of the rest of this whole section a psychologist's wonderland of fake moral outrage masking feelings of humiliation. It's about envy over what people see as people with the money to hire freelance 'servants.' Envy. Otherwise they'd only be calling for a simple ban on reserving spots which would apply to everyone. Which would be fair. But reserving spots actually wasn't even something mentioned in the video; people here are just assuming it happens. (Naturally, because these services are so morally infuriating, they _must_ be guilty of every imaginable 'offense.' 🙄 They must litter, too! And as another person mentioned, they must have unsanitary kitchen practices and are going to poison people! He just _knew it!_ No doubt they also stare at their phones while driving - and one can only imagine how they vote in elections! etc., etc.)
@@dixonpinfold2582I’ve never gone to a park or a beach with “full table setups, a menu with drinks, and floral arrangements”. norma people going on a picnic involves a blanket and some finger food in a basket, not setting up a big tent in public spaces. stop being obtuse on purpose.
@@TypeHoeNegative I've just been pepper-sprayed by Officer Norma People of the Fancy Police.😂 But I can tell you've never been camping before, Officer Norma. You think a canopy is a tent.
Okay but if we need permits for a picnic at the beach why aren’t we requiring documentation to come into our country?????? Like do y’all see the stupidity here. Criminals who commit serious crimes being release without bail. Home owners are getting arrested for trying to remove squatters from a home like where is the logic??
You're dead wrong. People can and should be able to do whatever business they want on a public beach. I love how you support this yet you don't seem to care that this is only hurting working class people.
I sell artwork publicly, and I have to pay for a permit annually. If they śtart letting business just anywhere on the beach with no permit, then it will own up business all over with no permits. It's not fair to us who are not allowed even with a vendors license to sell on the beach.
if you want to see some real crap, go to Venice beach in los Angeles , where unregulated venders fight to get a space and than sell rummage sale looking tourist junk all day long.
@richardelliott8352 funny you mentioned that. I drove to Venice Beach this past fall from Utah. I had some art to sell, so i thought about looking into selling, I found out through their locals that you do not need permits. It was trashy, and yes, I was setting up only to have two guys come by to say that's their spot. I saw all the junk and swapmeet types of vendors. I packed it up and went to Santa Monica's art district. Venice is full of crazies.
Seriously? You feel entitled to use public space for YOUR business? But you don’t get to tell some loud teenagers to go away if they park themselves next to your picnic, right?
@@Coconutca Those are not taking up large areas, for long periods of time. lets not act like this is a 6x6 blanket we are having a picnic at, this is a 12x12 area or larger
Absolutely agree with this policy one time me and my best friend were trying to relax on the beach and one of these businesses were blasting music and making a lot of noise setting up and even had the audacity to ask us if we would like to use their services in the future. Get a permit and stop disturbing public peace
Then getting a permit will just allow them to do the same thing but with a permit….i dont get how if ppl are annoyed with what they are doing…how that will change when they have city approval to do that very thing?
If you allow businesses to take up public space, you know that the people having the picnic are going to expect that they will not be interrupted at all. That is not what the beach is for. If someone came and sat right by their tent, they would probably get very uppity and act like they owned the beach. The beach is for everybody.
I think this looks more like a wedding set up therefore it takes a lot of space for others to have their own piece of the beach. Sorry the city is right. Imagine how many others will come up with another great idea to do on the beach? After all it is a Public Place!!
I can agree with the cities legal opinions ... A beach is open for the public, and not for part of that public, to run its commercial businesses there ... Go rent some space from a wealthy land owner somewhere ... When you set up an 'event', your highly likely to want to 'push away' 'non event' people from 'your party area'... And that's illegal, and rude ... When you 'rent an area' from a private party... Rules can be applied ... But still, years ago, it was declared no one can own the coastline, except the State... So, you may own coastal property, but access must remain open to the public ... So these ladies are fighting a lost battle ...
There's definitely a sense of entitlement with these businesses. The law is the law, and I don't think these ladies had the good sense to REALLY look into the legality of this.
Come on dude, no different than photographers who take wedding and family photos on beaches, in parks, etc… or countless other activities, fishing guides, Segway tours, nature and city walk tour guides… sounds like someone got pissy because these cater to wealthy people or perceived wealthy by the title of this video. Probably lots of regular people use them to for special occaisons.
I love all these companies that operate illegally, and then complain about their livelihood being taken. You really thought that you could have luxury picnics on a public beach and not pay to play? 😂
I didn't hear anyone complaining about paying for the permit. I heard that only 1 vendor can work at each park or beach thus many won't have access to the permit.
It's part of the cultural view that's really emerged that last few decades about doing things that are shady AF and then asking for permission rather than putting some effort into getting the permission ahead of time. If this were a bit more of a grey area issue, I'd understand their point, but I don't think that any city allows for this sort of commercial use of parks to be done without any permits.
Oh but they need business to "pay their mortgage" and "feed their family". As if others don't deal with that issues. People like this think they can get away with bs stuff while trying to guilt trip others, absolutely hate it
Exactly. They should find people willing to rent out their land. I would be super annoyed if a business was staking out the best spots at beaches and parks and sitting there all day every day with their tents.
ever since i was a kid, i have known that you need a permit to do a business in a park or just about any public location. these people are just playing ignorant.
Want to make a living using land land they don't own. Great business model. I think I'll start renting out my neighbor's house and say it's to put food on the table for my kids so I should have the right.
Is that what that stuff on the beach is? I see it in Malibu and I thought it was someone having a small wedding reception. I've also seen some of the trash left behind that I hoped someone was coming to clean up after. Who the heck during the pandemic was paying a company for a luxury picnic? LOL.
No, you CAN'T take up more space than the current shared space allowed, even if you wanna PAY FOR MORE OF IT, it's not a space for you to BUY/RENT, get your a** over to RESIDENTIAL/COMMERCIAL/INDUSTRIAL.. ZONES to do so!
No different from someone putting up a load of sunloungers or beach tents and then charging for use. Before you know it the beach isnt available for the public anymore.
I have always had to pay rent for the space that i do business. If they're doing business on public property they should pay vending fees like most other businesses. .....and yes, it's a distraction for people who are just being people on the beach.
Get the permit, pay the price. Don’t use public property for your commercial business. There are many vistas that you can rent for your business. My tax dollars are supporting a public usage not paying for your business.
The land belongs to everyone to enjoy. It just needs to be regulated. Regulated meaning a permit for the location's use within a park or beach for a specific time and duration. The people requesting the fancy picnic can have the picnic coordinator get the permit for them.
That's been the long standing city policy. Many things require permits. This picnic thing has been slowly growing. People have always been allowed to picnic in parks and on beaches. And businesses could get away with charging to bring the food. But now there are 100's of the businesses all trying to out do each other with bigger tents and things people started to notice WTF is going on here. This is a business??? You can't be doing that. Businesses have never been allowed to use public spaces without a permit. There's nothing special about picnic businesses. A business can apply for a permit to do anything. May not get the permit, but welcome to apply. City has guidelines for common events like weddings. Now they're say 1 picnic per park per day. But they may change that as they see how it goes. I assume they'll also limit the amount of space used.
I'm with the city on this one. California beaches are for everyone to enjoy not just people who take up a large amount of space because they paid an event planner.
If YOUR business is reliant on the public dime you better have a better excuse than "it's MY business" because erecting view blocking structures, even if they are temporary and made of cloth, ARE a public eyesore let alone conflicts with EMT requirements. BUY your own beachfront property to rent out if you think you're that special. ALL vendors on public property must abide by the law.
50 years ago we thought we’d have flying cars. We ended up with luxury picnics. “ you’ve got plates, seat cushions to sit on”. Hundreds of picnic businesses? Find another job.
Sanity check: would a restaurant (that’s actually good & beverage licensed, and also regulated by the health department) be allowed to suddenly start pitching up dining tables for business purposes on the beach without further regulation / tax / getting a permit?
Sounds fair. I feel like they should’ve expected something like this. You usually need a permit for a lot of things, especially if you’re regularly using public space for your business. It’s like me expecting to be able to set up a business on the sidewalk without interference from the city
Public places are public spaces for the public not commercial use! WTG San Diego permits were the correct choice. Business owners you may need to find others ways to make income
The city should allow only so many permits per area per day, and only in certain parts designated for fancy picnics. How annoying to have a big obnoxious tent taking up space to play and room and relax on the beach
What's next? A giant Bouncey-House or trampoline for some kid's birthday.. It's like having a wedding ceremony without any acknowledgement from municipal landholders. "We do what we want and needed that loophole. Don't tell us adult realities!"
I think the issue is they are basically hosting an event without going through the permits required for one. So now they are forced to follow the rule that private individuals have to instead of just using the public space as they need. I am for the city but it needs to evolve the permit process a bit because they were slow to react and the businesses took advantage of no regulation and rules.
They don't really "need" the public space. They're certainly allowed to buy land, create a lovely park like landscape for their picnics. Or beach front property for picnics, not anywhere on the public beach, but basically on the beach. But I think they like having free property better with the city paying to maintain the grounds, provide parking, etc.. Pretty good business plan, super high profit margin. Incorrect that there was no regulation or rules. The story made it sound like these picnic businesses were special, but nope. San Diego has pretty much always had laws against anyone doing any business of any kind on public property. A $38 annual Sidewalk Vending Permit is required. And there are rules for each type of business like how many venders can be on a corner, types of business, etc... Ya can't just get a permit and do whatever you want. The only change has been the city found out these were businesses and started writing the standard tickets they hand out to anyone doing business on public property without a permit. For a while few people noticed. Thought these were just people having a picnic. Didn't know businesses were renting public space to customers. Also these businesses are preparing food which require health dept permits. And they're selling alcohol which requires a license and permit to sell on public property. Alcohol is pretty tightly controls as kids use parks and beaches. The story just made it sound like picnics were something new and special to fire up viewers. To the city they're just another business try to use public property illegally.
I would agree with these entrepreneurs if they owned or rented the land that they run their commercial business, but they don't. They're taking up public space. Street vendors require a permit. I legally can't set up a kiosk in any public area and sell booze. If they get a permit, fine. Just saying it's their livelihood doesn't cut it.
Some people's time is more valuable then money. I don't have the luxury to pay for everything I don't want to be bothered by but I absolutely will spend the premium when I'm able to spend more time with my daughter by spending $$$
This beach business should have permits, be taxed, etc. like any other businesses. Otherwise people will come up with all kinds of their own excuses to earn a living on public properties and create some kind of interference.
These business owners think they Own the beach 🏖️ - ...they should find another line of work or just buy their own beach front property so they can conduct their own business on their own terms and property.
It becomes a problem when these vendors rope off a certain part of the public beach/park to families and make it impossible to enjoy it. Try this on a weekend with the beach or park jammed packed and they have roped off an entire section . I've seen it happen
I don't mind simple set up for their business but some set up are too elaborate and space taking so it can stand out and create issues. Maybe they should keep it simple then they wouldn't have this problem with the city.
Well the city is trying to work with them but somehow businesses feel somehow they are entitled to take over public (tax payer paid for) parks for free while making money? Remember when everyone believed in "give and take"? Those were the days!
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It’s public property. Not for commercial businesses.
should people not be allowed to rent kayaks or canoes on public lakes?
It's God's land not the greedy people in Government who think they own everything...
Jesus h Christ dude that’s a an ignorant comment. Commercial businesses use public property all the time.
@@mileshamblen9982God isn't real, but thanks for showing us how out of touch with reality you actually are.
public property tax payers pay for this is just the government wanting their share period
It’s taxpayer funded public land, so the permit process for this and other private activities is fair.
So when you pitch a tent at the beach you think it’s fair that the police come tell you take it down? Thats honestly what it is.. How is it fair?!! They are not selling anything at a stand.. They make luxury tents at the beach and then take it down.. What is the issue.. PS THEY ARE TAX PAYERS OF THAT LAND!!! They are from San Diego duh!!!
If ya’ll can’t afford luxury picnics just say that
@protosparadiso_ How about this duche.. They went to the court to do what you said.. Maybe you didn't watch the video.. But they said they are making them get a permit each day to run their business.. Do you think that's fair? Do they do that to your business? Hating on anyone's hustle is some hater shit.. I'm a real estate investor, so I don't see the problem with a person being their own boss no matter what the occupation.. Show support or just be a hater.. Your Choice..
Democrats telling people, what they can do. Fact!
@@protosparadiso_ So injustice is how you deal with the process.. Just shows how you are a coward.. David was a little boy when he took down Goliath.. Age ain’t the problem.. It’s Blatant corruption and cowardice from others that don’t help the cause anyway.. This also shows how you have no empathy.. How old do you get when start losing feelings? You must be at that age I’m guessing..
I have worked as a photographer off and on for years. Photographers who do photo shoots for clients in public parks have to apply for a permit and pay a fee. You are using taxpayer space for your business and that means it can’t be enjoyed by the public for whom it’s meant. It’s like using someone’s yard without asking. They have to control the number of times it is happening so the public can still have access.
I mean you don't have to if they don't stop you
Soon only people with certain social or credit scores will be allowed to be at the beach.
I was not understanding some of the other comments but yours actually makes sense. Thank you. ☺️
This is actually logical
Someone’s yard is private property. Not public. 🤦🏽♂️🤣😂 it’s all about money, bottom line. Nothing else.
That’s everyone’s PUBLIC beach. If you want to run a business on it, PUSHING OUT FAMILIES AND RESIDENTS WHO ALSO WANT TO USE IT, get a permit. Welcome to the real world.
How are they pushing out others? Isn’t the beach big enough?
ahhh shut up!!!
@@liabw05i read alot of the comments, your only one defending them. Let me guess , you must be the “CEO” of a luxury picnic business.
It is the public using public property and hiring help you must have voted brandon
Bullshit. Everybody's beach or park. She pays taxes also. "permit" just another money grab. "pushing out families" you are whacked.
bro, that is a public space for public use, I wish I could pitch a tent and have my office there rent free
Many people do exactly that.
Their customers are members of the public.
@@popsinthekeys4320 Try different argument. This does not work or make sense.
They ARE the public. Sounds like you're just jealous of people having fun
Public space doesn't freely exists, it has to be maintained, cleaned, secured, renovated, etc. In addition, if one person could use it for personal business, then EVERYBODY could also use it for personal business.
Honestly, the fact that the city actually went through the legal steps to create permits for these businesses makes the city council seam quite level-headed and accommodating.
yet these woman are still arguing for more and complaining about paying fee
San Diego is legit just don't piss them off
If this is on their list of priorities considering the homeless rate, then we are screwed.
@@Joy-rh8cg yes
@@Joy-rh8cg Homelessness can no longer be solved at the local or state level in my opinion. The current homelessness crisis in California can be traced all the way back to Reagan as governor, when he decided to shut down a lot of state-funded hospitals that treated mental health patients in order to fund tax cuts. He also backed Prop 13 which reduced property taxes, leading to local budget shortfalls across the state, while perpetually inflating home prices.
Everyone has to follow the rules. Public space is for everyone, not just you and your clients
Since they are the public they should be good then
What about the homeless who take all the space?
@@sanchezs7614 where else can they sleep, shit , do meth and have a psychosis. Cmon bud we all a spot like that too 😂
@@bodyzoasispersonaltraining9186 They can sleep at the mayors office or the white house
@@sanchezs7614 lgb
I have to agree with the city on this one, with a caveat. Been plenty of times I’ve been walking on the beach or in a park where there’s been one of these luxury picnic events and every one of them had alcohol which unfortunately is illegal on city beaches and parks now. I’m for these entrepreneurs negotiating with the city on permits for the space and temporary liquor licenses. I’ve been to a couple of beach weddings pre pandemic and those all had permits. Play by the rules or work with the city government to come to an amicable agreement. Quit being a “victim”.
You would think that she could understand what the issue is when she said, “there are hundreds…”
🤣😂🤣 didn't think of that.
It hit me when she said it but your right she should've paused on camera mid sentence and turned around and stared out into the ocean turned around back to the camera and said "something's gotta change"
It's simple: beaches and parks are public property, paid for by the residents and maintained by the city. You do not have the inherent right to take up space away from others for private purposes, (especially commercial ventures) unless you compensate the public for the use, or come to an arrangement with the city such that your use doesn't impact others. If you let this go on long enough and these people begin to think that they're entitled to use the beach at the expense of others without paying rent.
Are not the people having the picnic also part of the community and the general public? Why are they not allowed to eat on a pretty table? You people pick the stupidest shit to be mad about.
@@bettiraige3474People from the public wanting to have the picnic are perfectly free to find an open spot the day of, or reserve some space through the city park services as is usually the case if they're throwing a birthday party or some family gathering. In most cases (groups under 50 people), that part is and should be free of charge (or a nominal fee if space is to be reserved exclusively), since the park is a public resource. They are then free to rent or hire someone to bring tables and whatnot. What is not allowed is for a private business to take up public space at the expense of the public and turn around and charge people for the use. That space was to be made available to the public for free or nearly free. These people have turned a public resource into an exclusive private good without compensating the public. They could have legally charged money to bring the tables and foodstuffs as a catering service, but they cannot make money by taking up public space and charging people the rent as if they owned it. That section of park belongs to the public who shouldn't have to pay to use it.
@@bettiraige3474 I don't think anyone is mad. But these commercial ventures do not have exclusive use of public property. Also, if something happened, someone got hurt, the city would be held responsible. Do these business ventures have liability insurance for what they are doing?
@@xx_Joker_xx Is what they're doing any different then a family who sets up some table cloths on picnic tables, or blankets on a beach, for their kid's party and "reserves" an area until the rest of the guests show up? Is that family required to have liability insurance for their party? I mean I understand if these private companies are roping off areas and not allowing anyone to walk through or anything like that. But paying person to essentially cater for an outing/party doesn't seem that different than individuals doing the same thing just not paying anyone for it.
@@Mike__B A family who sets up some tablecloths on picnic tables, or blankets on a beach, for the most part does not do it daily or consistently, nor take public space to make money for themselves. That's the difference!
I mean, those tents are kinda obnoxious. If you're impeeding public beaches or distracting life guards, they should be shut down.
They're also preparing food to sell without health department permits. Many people aren't keen on puking for a few days so the city kind of likes venders to pass a test on basic food safety.
@@MrWaterbugdesign and serving alcohol
@MrWaterbugdesign I wish they cared about that where I live. People come out at night setting up pop-up shops from the trunks of cars and set up tents every so many blocks. Unrefrigerated food and lots of meat. It just screams e-coli 🤮 City won't do anything to stop them.
Please know PublicBeach Brittany would have called 911 12 thousand times on this a long time ago of this wasn’t them doing it.😑
I saw no beach nor lifeguard. You just make it up. Childish.
They are public parks not meant for business.
For real.
Set up a tailgate business out in the parking lot, catching beachgoers and see how that plays out.
No right-minded legal team would argue that.
( They'd take your money, but wouldn't be able to successfully argue the point).
Actually it is an event business. The same as party rental businesses that set up jumpers, popcorn machines etc at public parks. All they require is a permit.
100's of picnic businesses. wow EXACTLY. too much
But once word gets out we can expand into many other kinds of businesses. I'm thinking of pitching tents on the beach and renting them out on Airbnb. 1000's of businesses. I guess then the city would regulate me too and limit me to only one tent per beach. Still, pretty sweet money maker.
That sounds like an exaggeration. If true, this is way out of control.
On the other hand, if _hundreds_ of people are making a living, by selling ready-made picnics, then there's obviously huge public demand for this service. The people WANT this business. Why would we want government to prohibit what people _want?_ And people _clearly_ want the convenience of having picnic supplies delivered all the way to the sand, for them. It's no worse than having groceries delivered to your door.
If I'm going to the beach, and the people next to me have a picnic, how does it affect me, whether they brought their own chairs/canopy/food, or paid someone to deliver it for them? It's the same either way... It'd be the same exact people, having a picnic next to me. And no, you don't have a right to an empty beach, with no picnics in sight.
Is it illegal to have a picnic on the beach? Gawd, I hope not. What's next... you can't go to the beach if you take an Uber... only if you drive your own car? This is all toxic nit-picking. People get addicted to dreaming up nonsense rules for other people, and then trying to get the government to enforce them. Stop trying to control other people.
@@hxhdfjifzirstc894 I think the main problem is with all these illegal business of luxury picnics is It takes away a picnic table from someone who just wants to have a simple picnic of their own lunch meats, and sodas, and doesn’t want to pay any extra for luxury picnic, take along their own self picnic.
Hundreds 🤔
People who defend their illegal business on the grounds that it makes them money...how is this a defense? They are using public property to run an illegal business.
Probably tax free
Karens. always in the right no matter how wrong it is
Right on darling 😊
Maybe took a clue from taco stands and hot dog vendors
@@primotote most pay rent, or apply for a vendor license. Plenty have support from the community. These people are blow-ins taking from the community they don't seem to be part of. Notice there was only a few pictured here in the video.
Street vendors are awesome in some places. Takers not so much
Well Turning public places into banquet halls needs permits 🤣
Their complaint comes down to "we should be able to stake-out prime spots in public parks and beaches whenever we want and keep others from those areas for an indeterminate amount of time, and we should be able to profit off of this". Sorry, girls. Go figure it out.
Exactly. There are tons of private properties up and down the coast. Find someone who would be willing to rent out their lawn for a few hours on a regular basis. Not only does it give you consistent locations but saves the hassle and rudeness to others of going early in the morning to "save" the prime beach spots for themselves. If there's enough demand for hundreds of these businesses then people will be willing to pay for the added privacy of a private property instead of public beach. Nothing stopping you from walking down to dip your toes in the sand and water without having to plop a sultan's tent eyesore in front of everyone!
But families stake out prime spots, put down picnic blankets and expect others to stay away.
@@deeprollingriver52they're not getting paid tho stupid
@@deeprollingriver52 Right, and it’s bad enough that we have to compete with each other for those few prime spots. Now we’re supposed to just step aside for these two ladies?
@@deeprollingriver52use your brain
A pinic basket with a pretty blanket or a small table are ok. But it's not when you started putting up a gazebo, spread arrangements over half the beach, or blocking other beachgoers. You need to get a permit and/or rent if you want to use the beach for your business.
How can these business owners think it's ok for them to use public land for profit? And exclude others from using said land? They would have to block it off from others so that it's open when they want it, right? Anyway get licensed or permitted like the rest of us business owners do.
People object to businesses conducting business on park property. No different from unlicensed vendors selling food, trinkets, souvenirs, etc.
Correct. Or someone pitching a tent on your front lawn, using your car or sleeping in your bed.
@@MrWaterbugdesign eh... that would be trespassing. It's private property then.
Unlicensed vendors get fined and arrested all the time.
Its worse. Beach space is much more limited and in demand than sidewalks or parks.
I'm a photographer and I am required to pay a professional photographer fee for use of the parks in my city. It makes sense to me as I'm using tax payer funded parks for my commercial business and income. It's about $300 per year. Hell of a lot cheaper than renting a studio!
I just asked this in a different comment, I wondered how that worked, and has anyone ever asked you to provide this proof? I wonder why they won't offer the same deal to the luxury picnic people?
In maybe about 50 sessions, I was only approached one time to verify I had the photographer license.@@jenniferwilliams9548
Aren’t you a taxpayer in your city?
@@neomonk5668 If they're in their own city, then yes. But paying taxes doesn't mean you get to indicate how they're spent.
Yes I am .. but parks are for the recreational use of the community, not for commercial use. If I (and people like me) are going to use a publicly funded location for their income, they should get permission and perhaps pay a commercial use fee. @@neomonk5668
so glad these business are getting closed down. they close off large sections of the beach so you can't share the area, and they are their all day camping the best spots at the beach.
Actually the city of San Diego is right sometimes these people do picnic events and they close sections of the beach or Park like if they're owning the park or Beach like if it was a private property we are not talking about picnic we are talking about 100 people or more because this is not a regular picnic we're talking about engagement parties weddings not only that but they leave a mess in the beach in the Parks
Weren't there already permits available to cover that sort of thing? I know that when one of my friends had a wedding reception at a local beach that they reserved an appropriate portion of the beach through the parks department, but it still left a lot of folks with plenty of space.
I don't see the problem. Get a permit. Obey the law 💁♀️
Preach
Issue for them is one booking a day means the go out of business.
@@JamesWhiteside So, they have a bad business model.
@@DaveCM Bad for the local governmental choices but not inherently bad.
@@JamesWhiteside they can always get a second job like the rest of us !
I am for keeping public space open to everyone and not businesses occupying the best spaces.
As much as I feel sad for these business owners, this had to be stopped. Imagine if everyone starts doing it…how will us public enjoy these views in public land.
The law against this has always existed. It's any business, not just picnics. City just learned this was even going on and started writing tickets. Picnic are allowed, but business use isn't without permits. Food businesses like these require health department permits in addition to business permits. That requires passing a test on basic food safety.
Who wants to see all of the crap on the beach??? Not me.
@@MrWaterbugdesign not to mention liability issues. I feel sure none of these picnic owners has the required business liability insurance coverage to cover themselves or the city, if someone should be injured.
the public is their customers geez
The public ruining public fun on public land??
*gasp* you mean I can't monetize public resources without some sort of permit or planning? how horrible!
hundreds of picnic "businesses".. lol
People run yoga or exercise classes in parks all the time......city tours , walking tours, etc....
@@JJUnohu huh.. do any of those tours set up tables, chairs, blankets, or food in public areas? You do realize that most parks require a permit for a large group to use the area for an event, right?
Its called the land if the free for crying out loud. With how high taxes are out here they aren’t doing anything wrong. The city is just greedy.
@@Truechildofgod so a private business is able to take advantage of public property for their own gain? interesting.
Another example of a generation that feels entitled. Their only argument in the reporting is "this is MY livelihood, this is how I feed MY family"
Totally agree with the city. Rich people consuming more public resources and then leaves less access for the plebeians who can’t afford $1000 picnics.
Nonsense... what difference does it make whether the picnickers hauled their own chairs and food down to the sand, or paid someone to carry it and set it up for them?
Your whole take is based on petty jealousy... Lemme guess, you're also mad about your neighbors getting groceries delivered, because the delivery truck takes up more of the street """resources""" and traffic is worse, when you have to drive to the store and haul your own groceries, because you can't afford $1000 grocery deliveries.
@@hxhdfjifzirstc894 well you are wrong. I am immunocompromised and was very grateful for Instacart and generously tipped those who helped me out in 2020 and 2021. I live near beaches and see many happy families bring chairs, blankets and food. What I don’t see regular people bringing are gazebos, roses 🌹 interspersed every 8 feet creating a large perimeter that says to the public “KEEP AWAY” I guess we will just have to agree to disagree.
@@hxhdfjifzirstc894 you do NOT understand the differences between ORGANIZED CRIMEs vs. NON-ORGANIZED CRIMEs, DO YOU? Go back to middle school then!
yeah sounds like you are just jealous of people who have a higher income than you. It isn't a financial thing, it's just people not being curious of others.
The rich with their vanity insanity 😂
As someone that has come across this business on the beach is sometime annoying to deal with. Its not the planner their customers are acting like they own the spot. For example, my son and I were riding motorcycles and went to park at the water. We were told we were not allowed to park where we were because we were too close to someone's romantic picnic, and my bike was too loud. My response was I'm only gonna be here for 10 minutes and then they call the cops on me. ( Cops didn't do anything ) So in reality it's not necessarily business it's more of their customers that think they're entitled
I don’t see anything wrong with the businesses in general, but yeah, that was wrong. You had a right to be there too.
They have paid money, so that makes them think (wrongly) they are entitled to something .
Cool story bro, can't wait for the sequel.
no, the illegal business owners are entitled
It’s about time! If you want to have a party at the park you need a permit at most parks. I don’t see why it would be any different for them.
You dont own the beach or the parks, let the customers come pick up the stuff and do it on their own. But to assume you can just use these places as your dining room is quite pretentous and insulting.
Yeah, this is an easy law to skirt around, right? Just prep everything for the customer, they come pick it up and take it all to whatever location they want.
Good post!
On the other hand, what difference does it make whether the people having a picnic next to me physically hauled their stuff down to the sand, or paid someone else to do it for them?
This is like being mad that your neighbor can afford to have groceries delivered to their front door, while you have to go to the grocery store and haul everything yourself. This is such a toxic way of living -- either way, it's the SAME PEOPLE sitting next to you.
@@hxhdfjifzirstc894”over simplified”
@@hxhdfjifzirstc894 Totally agree, it's kind of a ridiculous situation, right. However, I can see there being a problem if the company was staking out land for the entire day with multiple clients coming one after the other. That literally would be setting up business on a public beach.
Just get a permit. If thats not possible then its time to look for another hussle
>hustle
It's called working a job, hustling is scheming and making money the easy way. Do not put real work in the same league as "hustling".
@@notsocrates9529 okay mr. Dick-tionary. Gtfoh
@notsocrates9529 -this guy heard a Jay-Z song. And didn't understand it
Permit =another way to collect on our 💸 any way possible
@Deezcutz2024 so everybody sell anything anywhere?
If they own the land, go ahead. Public spaces are not for commercial purposes
2007 - financial crisis
2024 - luxury picnics crisis
You forgot the 2020 Pandemic and 2017 Fyre Festival
2023 - Bacon Wrapped Hot Dog Vendor Crisis.
2025 My Crypto Matures
@@Masterslessons- 2026 Your crypto crashes along with everything else.
@@kingtrance307 we plan to sell in 2025 so thats ok
City is correct. They are essentially renting a space - a public space for profit. If they were renting the items for people (customers) to set it up themselves that would be different but they’re literally renting Public beaches.
What is the difference exactly? Same people using it same space they are just hire help for a picnic
Its NOT a picnic, it's a catered event.
Get a permit or get a restaurant.
One permit per day per location sounds pretty reasonable to me. Her saying that that isn't enough because there are hundreds of businesses that do this doesn't really help her argument.
In fact it strengthens the city's argument.
She doesn't care about you or the public.....all she cares about is making as much money as possible.....
I need some cushions for my ears
Lazy ass only willing to do the bare minimum of work and effort. "OmG I hAvE tO _aPpLy_ FoR pErMiTs LiKe MuLtIpLe TiMeS a WeEk??" Welcome to _Commercial Catering,_ *Karen.*
Exactly. I am sure these companies just flew under the radar for a while and now that there are in her words "hundreds of them" I can only imagine how many of these picnics are being set up every day. You aren't making a living doing one picnic a day. So what each company is doing 10 per day? 20? Now you are talking thousands of picnics along the beach every day. It wasn't a big enough nuisance before to do anything about it. That is why the city put a stop to the unregulated use and that is why it isn't relatable to some random family wanting to go out and set up their own picnic. It's all about scale.
So sad I want a business with no mortgage or rent too!!
I dont . There would be no business.
ha, nothing to write off @@als4179
That is what I was thinking! A business with very little overhead.
I wish they would highlight the increasing homelessness in San Diego, and how they set up camps wherever they want doing drugs in family oriented places including the beaches. They don’t have permits I’m sure…
We had a boat on Harbor Island. There would be picnics/ weddings/ work parties on many weekends. The amount of trash left behind was horrendous. Trash would blow into the water, zip ties and plastic table wear left behind. My husband found an entire cooler filled with beer one morning after one of these events. Someone needs to take responsibility for the messes that are left behind after many of these events.
Beaches should not be used for private events, which impede public use. I agree with the City!
How is it any less of a "private event" when you go to the beach and do all the very same things, except no paid helpers drop your stuff off?
So you mean I can come sit with you and your wife? It's a "public event"? All I have to do is determine that you made your own sandwiches?
How can any local residents availing themselves of the beach be somehow not "the public," but others are?
Your own post is pretty low key, but tbh I find a lot of the rest of this whole section a psychologist's wonderland of fake moral outrage masking feelings of humiliation.
It's about envy over what people see as people with the money to hire freelance 'servants.'
Envy. Otherwise they'd only be calling for a simple ban on reserving spots which would apply to everyone. Which would be fair. But reserving spots actually wasn't even something mentioned in the video; people here are just assuming it happens.
(Naturally, because these services are so morally infuriating, they _must_ be guilty of every imaginable 'offense.' 🙄 They must litter, too! And as another person mentioned, they must have unsanitary kitchen practices and are going to poison people! He just _knew it!_ No doubt they also stare at their phones while driving - and one can only imagine how they vote in elections! etc., etc.)
That’s not freedom then
@@dixonpinfold2582I’ve never gone to a park or a beach with “full table setups, a menu with drinks, and floral arrangements”. norma people going on a picnic involves a blanket and some finger food in a basket, not setting up a big tent in public spaces. stop being obtuse on purpose.
@@TypeHoeNegative I've just been pepper-sprayed by Officer Norma People of the Fancy Police.😂
But I can tell you've never been camping before, Officer Norma. You think a canopy is a tent.
A Karen will support a Karen 😂
I would like to run my business rent free on public recreation spaces too!
The City is right in this case. They didn't file for the proper permits so they can literally go pound sand.
Okay but if we need permits for a picnic at the beach why aren’t we requiring documentation to come into our country?????? Like do y’all see the stupidity here. Criminals who commit serious crimes being release without bail. Home owners are getting arrested for trying to remove squatters from a home like where is the logic??
@@sharamusica They'll never acknowledge the real issues because that would show how screwed we truly are.
You're dead wrong. People can and should be able to do whatever business they want on a public beach. I love how you support this yet you don't seem to care that this is only hurting working class people.
Technically if she supply the stuff then leave what’s the difference if she had the stuff for herself then left.
They would need a permit to pound the sand
I sell artwork publicly, and I have to pay for a permit annually.
If they śtart letting business just anywhere on the beach with no permit, then it will own up business all over with no permits. It's not fair to us who are not allowed even with a vendors license to sell on the beach.
if you want to see some real crap, go to Venice beach in los Angeles , where unregulated venders fight to get a space and than sell rummage sale looking tourist junk all day long.
@richardelliott8352 funny you mentioned that. I drove to Venice Beach this past fall from Utah. I had some art to sell, so i thought about looking into selling, I found out through their locals that you do not need permits. It was trashy, and yes, I was setting up only to have two guys come by to say that's their spot. I saw all the junk and swapmeet types of vendors. I packed it up and went to Santa Monica's art district.
Venice is full of crazies.
No figure something else out… the public pays taxes for it to be public
Seriously? You feel entitled to use public space for YOUR business? But you don’t get to tell some loud teenagers to go away if they park themselves next to your picnic, right?
What about people that offer exercise classes? Daycares that use the park? Ice cream vendors? You big mad at everyone?
You mean like roads, tunnels and bridges?
@@Coconutca Those are not taking up large areas, for long periods of time. lets not act like this is a 6x6 blanket we are having a picnic at, this is a 12x12 area or larger
but you're okay with high crime, open drug use, and homelessness aren't you... because you'll continue to vote democrat
They all are required to have a license of some kind. She should not be exempt from that. Boohoo@@Coconutca
Absolutely agree with this policy one time me and my best friend were trying to relax on the beach and one of these businesses were blasting music and making a lot of noise setting up and even had the audacity to ask us if we would like to use their services in the future. Get a permit and stop disturbing public peace
"Hey guys! If you ever feel like annoying the people around you as much as you're being annoyed right now, I'm totally available for hire!"
Yup people have become entitled and disrespectful.
Then getting a permit will just allow them to do the same thing but with a permit….i dont get how if ppl are annoyed with what they are doing…how that will change when they have city approval to do that very thing?
If you allow businesses to take up public space, you know that the people having the picnic are going to expect that they will not be interrupted at all. That is not what the beach is for. If someone came and sat right by their tent, they would probably get very uppity and act like they owned the beach. The beach is for everybody.
I think this looks more like a wedding set up therefore it takes a lot of space for others to have their own piece of the beach. Sorry the city is right. Imagine how many others will come up with another great idea to do on the beach? After all it is a Public Place!!
I can agree with the cities legal opinions ... A beach is open for the public, and not for part of that public, to run its commercial businesses there ... Go rent some space from a wealthy land owner somewhere ... When you set up an 'event', your highly likely to want to 'push away' 'non event' people from 'your party area'... And that's illegal, and rude ... When you 'rent an area' from a private party... Rules can be applied ... But still, years ago, it was declared no one can own the coastline, except the State... So, you may own coastal property, but access must remain open to the public ... So these ladies are fighting a lost battle ...
Dude.....it's a BEACH. There are thousands of miles of it along the West coast.
Dude - your argument falls flat. People without an event push people away from their party area. Happens every weekend lol SMH
Silly to worry about this altogether when the president has dimensions of dementia and inflation is felt daily
There's definitely a sense of entitlement with these businesses. The law is the law, and I don't think these ladies had the good sense to REALLY look into the legality of this.
Come on dude, no different than photographers who take wedding and family photos on beaches, in parks, etc… or countless other activities, fishing guides, Segway tours, nature and city walk tour guides… sounds like someone got pissy because these cater to wealthy people or perceived wealthy by the title of this video. Probably lots of regular people use them to for special occaisons.
They could do their picnics in Compton.........Probably wouldn't need a permit there.
I love all these companies that operate illegally, and then complain about their livelihood being taken. You really thought that you could have luxury picnics on a public beach and not pay to play? 😂
Rightttttt😮geez it’s a public place NOT a commercial venue for private profits!!!!!
I didn't hear anyone complaining about paying for the permit. I heard that only 1 vendor can work at each park or beach thus many won't have access to the permit.
@@nooshinscornerbecause then it would just be a private picnic area, not a public area.
@@monicaramirez51015 How dare you make me abide by the same operating rules and costs as other small business owners lol
Also, how many years has that business paid your mortgage. C'mon!
Did you do due diligence before you started the business to ensure it was based on legal and viable practices?
It's part of the cultural view that's really emerged that last few decades about doing things that are shady AF and then asking for permission rather than putting some effort into getting the permission ahead of time. If this were a bit more of a grey area issue, I'd understand their point, but I don't think that any city allows for this sort of commercial use of parks to be done without any permits.
Forget about protecting the border. Beach picnics are more important.
Didn’t they look into all the laws and permit processes before starting a business?
They know the laws. They are trying to bypass the rent/lease aspect by squatting on public/govmt space
Oh but they need business to "pay their mortgage" and "feed their family". As if others don't deal with that issues. People like this think they can get away with bs stuff while trying to guilt trip others, absolutely hate it
She should do that in a private venue and not on a public one.
Exactly. They should find people willing to rent out their land. I would be super annoyed if a business was staking out the best spots at beaches and parks and sitting there all day every day with their tents.
Yes. One thing is being missed though. What about the people paying them for that service? Do they have no conscious?
@@TerrenceSanders-c1s I'm thinking that either they don't know any better or don't care.
I think the point of it is to be on the beach lol
Agreed!
Don't take the public out public areas, unless you are inviting everybody to your luxury picnic!
ever since i was a kid, i have known that you need a permit to do a business in a park or just about any public location. these people are just playing ignorant.
Want to make a living using land land they don't own. Great business model. I think I'll start renting out my neighbor's house and say it's to put food on the table for my kids so I should have the right.
Exactly! 😂
We all own the beach right ?
@@bodyzoasispersonaltraining9186 yes that is why it is not a place for a commercial business to stake a place and start operating for a profit
Not in Jamaica
Not even close to the same thing....I'm allowed to picnic on the the beach, why can't I pay someone to set it up for me?
Is that what that stuff on the beach is? I see it in Malibu and I thought it was someone having a small wedding reception. I've also seen some of the trash left behind that I hoped someone was coming to clean up after. Who the heck during the pandemic was paying a company for a luxury picnic? LOL.
You can’t just take up public beach space. Pay for it.
No, you CAN'T take up more space than the current shared space allowed, even if you wanna PAY FOR MORE OF IT, it's not a space for you to BUY/RENT, get your a** over to RESIDENTIAL/COMMERCIAL/INDUSTRIAL.. ZONES to do so!
No different from someone putting up a load of sunloungers or beach tents and then charging for use. Before you know it the beach isnt available for the public anymore.
True.
I have always had to pay rent for the space that i do business. If they're doing business on public property they should pay vending fees like most other businesses.
.....and yes, it's a distraction for people who are just being people on the beach.
She needs to pay rent like you pay for the picnic Pavilion at a park
Get the permit, pay the price. Don’t use public property for your commercial business. There are many vistas that you can rent for your business. My tax dollars are supporting a public usage not paying for your business.
The land belongs to everyone to enjoy. It just needs to be regulated. Regulated meaning a permit for the location's use within a park or beach for a specific time and duration. The people requesting the fancy picnic can have the picnic coordinator get the permit for them.
That's been the long standing city policy. Many things require permits. This picnic thing has been slowly growing. People have always been allowed to picnic in parks and on beaches. And businesses could get away with charging to bring the food. But now there are 100's of the businesses all trying to out do each other with bigger tents and things people started to notice WTF is going on here. This is a business??? You can't be doing that. Businesses have never been allowed to use public spaces without a permit. There's nothing special about picnic businesses. A business can apply for a permit to do anything. May not get the permit, but welcome to apply. City has guidelines for common events like weddings. Now they're say 1 picnic per park per day. But they may change that as they see how it goes. I assume they'll also limit the amount of space used.
If street vendors need a permit so do they.. plain and simple 🤷🏻♀️…
Right. Limit every citizens while allowing Homeless and Immigrants to take over everything.
That’s symmetrical for sure!
I'm with the city on this one. California beaches are for everyone to enjoy not just people who take up a large amount of space because they paid an event planner.
As much as I dislike big govt. in our lives, I agree with this. Beaches belong to the public not private businesses.
If street vendors can get a permit then picnic planners can also get one
They don't get permits either lol
@@jeffdur1330 yes, they are able to get permits. Due diligence is important.
Also its worse. Beach space is in much more demand and limited than sidewalks.
@@jaad9848 excellent point
If YOUR business is reliant on the public dime you better have a better excuse than "it's MY business" because erecting view blocking structures, even if they are temporary and made of cloth, ARE a public eyesore let alone conflicts with EMT requirements.
BUY your own beachfront property to rent out if you think you're that special.
ALL vendors on public property must abide by the law.
50 years ago we thought we’d have flying cars. We ended up with luxury picnics. “ you’ve got plates, seat cushions to sit on”. Hundreds of picnic businesses? Find another job.
Sanity check: would a restaurant (that’s actually good & beverage licensed, and also regulated by the health department) be allowed to suddenly start pitching up dining tables for business purposes on the beach without further regulation / tax / getting a permit?
Does she pay the city for use of her business. Imagine how this will affect others who are just hanging about. Are they supposed to shoo away!
She's just another Karen being a pain in the .......
laws apparently dont exist. I think I should rent those two's houses out for the day since laws apparently dont mean anything to them.
This is ridicuous! Taxpayers pay for maintaning public property
Sounds fair. I feel like they should’ve expected something like this. You usually need a permit for a lot of things, especially if you’re regularly using public space for your business. It’s like me expecting to be able to set up a business on the sidewalk without interference from the city
Cordon of a section of curb and rent out parking lots.....
Guarantee they are NOT paying taxes on it correctly or at all.
IRS needs to crack down on this luxury picnic businesses. 😅
Public places are public spaces for the public not commercial use! WTG San Diego permits were the correct choice. Business owners you may need to find others ways to make income
The city should allow only so many permits per area per day, and only in certain parts designated for fancy picnics. How annoying to have a big obnoxious tent taking up space to play and room and relax on the beach
What's next?
A giant Bouncey-House or trampoline for some kid's birthday..
It's like having a wedding ceremony without any acknowledgement from municipal landholders.
"We do what we want and needed that loophole.
Don't tell us adult realities!"
I think the issue is they are basically hosting an event without going through the permits required for one. So now they are forced to follow the rule that private individuals have to instead of just using the public space as they need. I am for the city but it needs to evolve the permit process a bit because they were slow to react and the businesses took advantage of no regulation and rules.
They don't really "need" the public space. They're certainly allowed to buy land, create a lovely park like landscape for their picnics. Or beach front property for picnics, not anywhere on the public beach, but basically on the beach. But I think they like having free property better with the city paying to maintain the grounds, provide parking, etc.. Pretty good business plan, super high profit margin.
Incorrect that there was no regulation or rules. The story made it sound like these picnic businesses were special, but nope. San Diego has pretty much always had laws against anyone doing any business of any kind on public property. A $38 annual Sidewalk Vending Permit is required. And there are rules for each type of business like how many venders can be on a corner, types of business, etc... Ya can't just get a permit and do whatever you want. The only change has been the city found out these were businesses and started writing the standard tickets they hand out to anyone doing business on public property without a permit. For a while few people noticed. Thought these were just people having a picnic. Didn't know businesses were renting public space to customers.
Also these businesses are preparing food which require health dept permits. And they're selling alcohol which requires a license and permit to sell on public property. Alcohol is pretty tightly controls as kids use parks and beaches.
The story just made it sound like picnics were something new and special to fire up viewers. To the city they're just another business try to use public property illegally.
not the city's fault that scofflaws exist, but the entitled of citizens mentality is new so I give them a big fat pass. Now they know.
I got away with breaking the law so long that you should let me keep on doing it.
I would agree with these entrepreneurs if they owned or rented the land that they run their commercial business, but they don't. They're taking up public space. Street vendors require a permit. I legally can't set up a kiosk in any public area and sell booze. If they get a permit, fine. Just saying it's their livelihood doesn't cut it.
The desperation in todays day to survive is scary
Why don't people just have their own picnics...? Nobody can do anything for themselves these days.
Some people's time is more valuable then money.
I don't have the luxury to pay for everything I don't want to be bothered by but I absolutely will spend the premium when I'm able to spend more time with my daughter by spending $$$
But they allow drug addicts, homeless, criminals to take any public space they want……..
You gotta love the city
This beach business should have permits, be taxed, etc. like any other businesses. Otherwise people will come up with all kinds of their own excuses to earn a living on public properties and create some kind of interference.
Weddings and other events on the beach and the beach parks are permitted as one per park per day, makes sense for this to be as well.
@@Michelle-yd1hhno one cares what you think
These business owners think they Own the beach 🏖️ -
...they should find another line of work or just buy their own beach front property so they can conduct their own business on their own terms and property.
It’s funny how they think just because they need those money they should be allowed to do it
"business owners" is generous. more like owner of a blanket and an instagram account.
@@leok7193 🤣
@@leok7193😂😂😂😂 so true
Well damn , i have a feeling my beach karaoke business won't be allowed there now !
This story sounds oddly familiar. I’m amazed at how many people are against them just taking over public property like it’s their own. 😂
It becomes a problem when these vendors rope off a certain part of the public beach/park to families and make it impossible to enjoy it. Try this on a weekend with the beach or park jammed packed and they have roped off an entire section . I've seen it happen
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They should be cracking down on shop lifters not these people.
What is the main reason for having a picnic . Unexpensive nice date !! Now , it is a profit business for some .
A public beach is for everyone to enjoy not for some vendor to cherry pick the most desirable spot on the beach
File for a permit. All the city wants is their cut!
I don't mind simple set up for their business but some set up are too elaborate and space taking so it can stand out and create issues. Maybe they should keep it simple then they wouldn't have this problem with the city.
Meanwhile the city just ignores all the homeless setting up camp wherever they see fit.
It's called putting the public's interests ahead. I wish more cities would do the same.
😂😂😂😅
These are public parks, not places of business.
It pays your mortgage, car note, AND food in San Diego? How much are people paying for these picnics?? 😂
Well the city is trying to work with them but somehow businesses feel somehow they are entitled to take over public (tax payer paid for) parks for free while making money? Remember when everyone believed in "give and take"? Those were the days!