I am not affiliated with any denomination, I'm just a guy from new york who wants to know Jesus but I feel cold.. Please someone help me. I have been neck deep in a bad addiction of lust and sexual immorality of all types. And one night when I've seen multiple videos about Jesus coming soon, I've had enough and wanting to be free from this bondage and cried out to Jesus to save me, to help me and to guide me through a different direction, to be my Lord and Savior. This was in October of 2023. It's November of 2024 and it feels like I got nowhere at all. I'm still stuck doing the same stupid things over and over and over again. Repeatedly I've asked the Lord to renew my mind and heart, to cleanse my heart of this filth as well as other sins of pride and arrogance, of ego and laziness and slothfulness. But I feel falling to the same vices and temptations as if I didn't learn anything. My heart feels cold and I dont feel the Holy Spirit due to being such neck deep in porn addiction even when I constantly try to repent away but I keep falling. I keep failing and I keep grieving the Holy Spirit. Has the Lord left me to a reprobate mind. Am I hopeless....i hate myself and my sin. ..Jesus have mercy..i. feel like a false convert. A liar that sheds crocodile tears every week wondering when this will end and if the Lord even hears me anymore, I know I wouldn't with how many times I've said I wanted to stop this and will focus more on Him only to get lazy again, and again, and keep falling again, and again, and again.. I dont want to be seperated from Jesus but I am having such a hard time dropping and letting go of this porn addiction. As well as the guilt from my past when I did so many attrocious, disgusting things that'd get me locked up for that no one will forgive (mans perspective anyway), . I am so lost and I want to change...am I just a doomed liar..I really am scared and about to cry once again today from just the mere thoughts of hearing Depart from me, I never knew you, you worker of iniquity", that I was never His, that I was never in his flock and only meant to be burned because I couldn't surrender my whole heart to Him. I don't understand why I can't just obey, why I can't just follow Him and focus on Him. What does it really mean to have faith and believe in Him, to Trust him with my everything. Do I have to die to show it in the great tribulation, I don't know anything..I just wanna be with Jesus and I really am in such depression and grief over my own failures and iniquity that I wonder if I was ever truly saved to begin with, that I was just never His. Or maybe I was left to a reprobate mind that's stuck on sin and death. I don't know..I want to know..I want to be free in Christ and to follow Him and be with Him forever, to be born again and into God's family forever. I don't wanna lose salvation, if that's even possible, I want Him. Please, what do I do.. I'm really scared that I just sinned my life away, my salvation away, that I was never His to begin with and that I'm just lying to myself. am i really saved, or am I just a hopeless porn addict that's lying to himself and trying to get outta hell free card, I hate myself so much for letting this happen to me..I hate that I grieved and hurt the holy spirit in such a manner yet I can't stop myself or been so lazy to even attempt to try. what the fuck is wrong with me man..please...someone..am I really saved..am I a liar..how do I get rid of this..when do I finally get to finally work and walk in the holy spirit in love, faith, and trust and hope in the redemptive work of Christ. Why can't ..I just obey Jesus..why can't I just obey the Lord my God who died for me, bled for me, and set me free yet I bondage myself to these chains of addiction. why man...
Hi buddy! I admire your honesty, and I know exactly how you feel. Let me start by sharing a verse that has encouraged me a lot recently. “For no one is cast off by the Lord forever. Though he brings grief, he will show compassion, so great is his unfailing love. For he does not willingly bring affliction or grief to anyone.” Lamentations 3:31-33. Listen mate, none of us deserve heaven. We all deserve death. However, Jesus’ perfect blood that he bled on the cross was so powerful that it purified all of us, and there is nothing that it cannot pay the price for. In addition, although we must not take advantage of this, God’s forgiveness is also just as powerful. His forgiveness is unconditional. You may feel that you are unworthy after messing up in the same way a million times, but that’s the lie that Satan wants you to believe. Jesus will meet you right where you are. Let me tell you something. If you didn’t have the Spirit in you, you wouldn’t even feel guilty like you do now. That guilt in you in a way proves that you truly want to pursue a relationship with God, so don’t be worried about being denied by Christ. Overcoming sexual immorality is the hardest part and is something I’m still struggling with myself, but let me give you a few tips. First of all, God knows that we are too weak to fight sexual immorality, so he specifically tells us not to. It says, “Flee from sexual immorality”, 1 Corinthians 6:18, meaning that instead of even trying to fight it, we must run away. Galatians 5:17 says “The flesh desires what is contrary to the Spirit, and the Spirit what is contrary to the flesh.” Therefore, the best way to fight it is to be so focused on God, that you “forget” to sin. Remember, the 9th fruit of the Spirit is self-control, so if the Spirit is living within us, as the flesh is contrary to it, we suddenly lose the desire to sin. Lastly, you shouldn’t fight this battle on your own, so find a person that you trust and share what you’re going through. I’ll always be here for you too, and I have many more tips, so please ask any time. God bless you, and I’ll be praying 🙏
Hi my friend. Would just like to add that upon trying to find Christ and the Holy Spirit, also try as I had to do when I was going through something very similar to yourself which is, Start at a gym or some form of exercise, going to a church that preaches about our Lord and savior, try and eat healthy and surround yourself around people you love and can trust. Jesus Is Lord and when the time is right he will heal you ❤
Hey brother, just know that you’re not alone. Christ died for us even when we were dead in our trespasses and sins. As the commenter above said, satan will try and convince you, whispering in your ear that you’re not good enough, that you’re disgusting, that you’re hopeless, etc.. The way to battle that is to stay in your scripture daily. I know it’s not easy if you’re not used to doing it, but I promise you it will change your life if you keep up with it. When Jesus was tempted by the devil in the wilderness for forty days, he used scripture as his weapon Ask The Holy Spirit to help you interpret it. I recommend the gospels first and to start off small if that works for you. We are commanded to pray and read His Word, and the Bible is the active and living word of God, meaning it is able to change and transform you deep in your soul. This is the best way to develop your relationship with our Lord Jesus Christ. Also fellowship is great, and if you have the ability to find some sort of men’s group or Bible study, it has helped me immensely. One thing I would point out is that when you stop with that kind of addiction your dopamine levels are gonna crash because you’re so used to getting an extreme amount in such a short time. This might be why you’re feeling lazy and tired as well. You’ll need a healthy alternative like working out, as someone mentioned, to combat that feeling. You might even be pretty depressed for a little while, but it will get better and easier with time and be so worth it. I don’t know you obviously, but I know you can do this. I’m praying for you bud.
@@SheepOfTheLord1 what a lamentation and I’ve been there and still struggle with lust some days feeling hollow or not good enough. Jesus paid for you once and for all. Sanctification is a life long journey. In our trials we develop perseverance. God will give you the strength continue to reach out in prayers, the body of Christ and he will set you free. God bless you
@@real7thegod513shroud of turin, dead sea scrolls, sodom and the other town, walls of jericho, noahs ark in the mtns of arrarat omg how could you be so nieve “😂”
@@hamb0ne none of those things are considered reliable proof of the historicity of the Bible by actual historians who don't have an apologist agenda. Dead sea scrolls are based on the Maseratic text which are themselves unreliable as a historical document. Still waiting to see evidence of Hebrews being slaves in Egypt for 400 yrs or proof Moses or Abraham actually existed
@@hamb0ne where's the proof for the exodus? They've been digging in Egypt since Napoleon's invasion over 200 years ago and still haven't found anything credible to prove the Bible is true.
"Atlas Shrugged is fiction that is presented as fiction. The bible and the Qur'an are fiction that are presented as truth. Big difference." -Anonymous- from an Objectivist forum
@@CoolPigeon98 You think that you have to gurgle moronic, transphobic nonsense because you are a feckless nazi neuter that still suckles on the teats of cousin mommy.
@@AsixA6sad life you got, i’m not even christian nor atheist idk im neutral but cliff has very rational statements his points make way much more sense than this guy reading everything off a screen, you can tell cliff is dedicated and knows what he’s saying, every religion has jesus name in their whys that and i wonder why too, and i see that christianity gets prosecuted way more than any other religion
"Is a belief in a Christian God rational?...First, the fact that we are still debating these claims after thousands of years of debates by laymen and scholars should demonstrate that the only reasonable answer to this question is no." This is what Matt said...then said that he said, : "could be that God didn't exist..." Come on Matt...you are backtracking.
He's being careful/sarcastic dude, are you that tone deaf? How sure are you that the Mesopotamian sun god Šamaš isn't real? What about the Aztec sun god Huitzlipotchtli? What about the great god Mwari of the Shona peoples of Zimbabwe and Mozambique? Or the Japanese Shinto sun goddess Amaterasu? If your answer honestly, then you'll probably say that: "I don't believe any of these gods are real because I've never even heard of most of them before. But now that I have, I think it's far less likely that they're real because everyone I know is a Christian, Muslim, Jew, etc. so I think it must be one of these popular Abrahamic faiths-and since I grew up Christian and my entire support network is Christian, therefore I'm Christian." But the evidence for ALL GODS is the same-zero. The sun is a hot ball of hydrogen undergoing nuclear fusion in its core that is some 93 million miles away-it isn't a god, it's just matter and energy.
@@fentstar Matt has repeatedly said he can’t for certain say god doesn’t exist but with the evidence he’s seen he doesn’t believe god does. It’s what an agnostic atheist is
Jesus is who we are judged by after death. I was spared by Him to warn/confirm belief in Christ Jesus is 100% correct. I was a straight edge Atheist before my accident in 2005.
It sounds like it makes sense, however, why do extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence? Does a more extraordinary claim require more evidence in a foot of law? Whether any claim is true, extraordinary or not, is not dependent on the 'quality" of evidence left behind.
If I said I got a dog you would take my word even though it’s not good evidence. If I told you I got a Komodo dragon you might not take my word but a picture would probly do. If I said I have a fire breathing dragon you wouldnt believe me unless you saw it in person. More extraordinary claims require stronger evidence to warrant belief. While it is true that an extraordinary thing may have happened you have no reason to believe it until it meets the burden of proof.
@tylerburton4657 a witness is good. Multiple eye witnesses with complimentary testimonies is better. And confirming witness accounts from multiple people that started out with a bias against you is as close to rock solid as you can get without witnessing everything yourself.
@@gloriouspurpose_ no, but in this case they these witnesses were not his buddies. One witness started out as one who rounded up Christians for interrogation and often execution. Two other witnesses were half brothers that thought their brother was a crazy man for half of their lives. You don't get multiple people with a bias in opposition to you turn around and suddenly be among your greatest allies without something relatively convincing causing it.
@@tincan0913 These were followers of the religion. That means they had something to gain from the religion succeeding. People convert religions all the time. & people die for things all the time, including the People's Temple. Doesn't mean anything.
The atheist community is sad because every single building car book person literally everything we see has a beginning and a cause . The universe also has a beginning. Why do they deny the God narrative ? It’s not lack of evidence but pride . They cannot get around their pride. It’s sad 😢.
Buildings, cars, books are all man made. We have plenty of evidence for that. Humans come from natural reproduction. Very well understood. Lots of evidence. The universe has a beginning. We know this from the big bang theory. Based on evidence, observations and predictions. We deny the "god narrative" because there no evidence gods exist, so using a made up idea as an explanation is fallacious. It's an example of the argument from ignorance/incredulity. I guess on some level it is a matter of pride. I have too much self respect and pride, evidence, logic, and reason that I can not believe gods exist any more than you can believe unicorns exist. It's sad that your delusion and belief in the supernatural convinced you to accept claims without evidence
Ask this simple question what exactly does matt disagree with Jesus about? He will have no answer as all must proclaim Christ is king. We only fall short of his glory but he's right the truth and the way.
@Era-lk1lo that is, of course, a funny thing to dislike about a teaching. He isn't a liar he called himself God all.his other teachings are perfect. I believe him if you don't I pray for you.
To Matt, and all atheists, unbelievers if you are serious about getting to know if God is real. When you are alone. Ask the true God who created the earth and everything in it if he is real. Ask him to show you. You will get an answer. Ask, ask, ask !!!!!
Next time there should be a “no coughing” rule. Was very rude and couldnt hear the debators clearly. And it seemed deliberately more when Matt’s talking as if the audience is doing it on purpose.
The belief in GOD is only rational if HE has chosen you. John 15:16 “Ye have not chosen me, but I have chosen you, and ordained you, that ye should go and bring forth fruit, and that your fruit should remain: that whatsoever ye shall ask of the Father in my name, he may give it you.”
"I realize that there are a lot of people who claim to have actual conversations with God, but the question I've always had for these people is what voices are talking to them when the Lord isn't on the line". -Vincent Bugliosi-
@@floristfindspeace What's there to kid about? If there is no God, then there is no reason to mourn. If we are just a clump of cells that ultimately cease to exist the moment we die why does it matter if you grieve or not?
@@jeremeymack6473 my whole point is it doesn’t matter if you grieve or not if there is no God. If you ultimately cease to exist after you die why does it matter to feel anything at all?
My question is, why believe so emphatically that their is no god, and that nothing will happen after this life? Why is nothing happening greater than wanting to go to heaven? What is the point in Fighting so hard for things to be meaningless?
It's mostly about standing up against the very real harm caused by religions. Socially regressive ideas, the justification of atrocities, anti-scientific views, etc.
I'd rather believe in harsh truths than pleasant lies. If it's the case that God does not exist and that nothing comes after this life, then I want to live my life according to that because it's the truth. If you'd rather believe in a lie simply because it makes you feel good, okay, but I could never see eye to eye with that. I also refer to everything the reply above me said.
Because wanting something to be true is not a reason to believe something. In fact, that's very childish. Instead, belief is based on evidence, critical thinking and logic and when something lacks these things you can't just make yourself believe it anyway when your brain is compelling you to reject it. Belief or lack of belief is not a choice.
"I direct you toward Objectivism, the philosophy of Ayn Rand. In her system, she identifies the needs of men succinctly. She talks about individualism, productivity, a flourishing life, an exchange of physical and emotional values between men. Importantly, she provides reasoning to substantiate her claims." -Anonymous- from an Objectivist forum
Matt Dillahunty must have a huge problem with Politics. Two different people look at the exact same politicians and have radically different takes on them. Matt Dillahunty wants CONSISTENCY. He pathologically rants about the Bible needing to be ' consistent '.
"The conundrum...that either God can prevent evil but chooses not to, which means he is not all-good, or he wishes to prevent evil but cannot, which means he is not all-powerful...". -Vincent Bugliosi-
@@BeefT-Sq that doesn't mean he's not all powerful just that the event is not a logical one. A lot of people conflate omnipotence with being about to do the illogical. Omni means all. Power or potence comes from the word porential. So God can perform all potentials. If God being Omni benevolent must maximize all goods that would also include goods that have contingent evils as a potential. For God to not create these goods or to take away these goods would be illogical considering his Omni benevolence. Meaning a word where God didn't make it possible for evils to exist lacks potentially. Which excludes it from being within all potentialities that a omnipotent being could produce.
@@DevInstincts On the evening of Nov. 1st 2023 just under a month after Israel was attacked, The angel of the Lord came upon me. My arms stretched apart, then together in prayer. I then fell to my knees and the glory of the Lord shone round about me. Immediately I was in the spirit: and, behold four beast, which were full of eyes who's color was like unto the day sky. Like the beast of Ezekiel which were round about the Throne. Before the Throne was a sea of glass like unto crystal, and He that sat upon the Throne was a great light like unto the sun but vastly brighter, and a rainbow shown round about the Throne. That great light is God, for God is light in absence of darkness. I began to plea, please take me Lord, please take me. My fiancee Emily heard a thud from the bedroom above the kitchen which alarmed her. She came downstairs to the livingroom adjacent to the kitchen which had a blanket covering the door. She could her me speaking in a language that wasn't like any known to man. For he that speaketh in a unknown tounge speaketh not to men but unto God. She then moved the blanket to reveal me on my knees face down with my feet crossed. In that same moments my vision ended. She hid herself behind the blanket, I then approached her and embraced her and told her what I had just witnessed.
@@mitslev4043Your imaginary friend is so weak that it can’t accomplish the supposed ‘good’ without the ‘evil’? That’s not omnipotence, that’s weak sauce. It’s amazing how many excuses you have to make in order to maintain your childish belief in the invisible magic man in the sky.
@marlon8597 He wasn't saying evolution, he was saying that if you told him that the water made the writings in the sand it would be ridiculous because water couldn't do complicated intricate design only a human hand could write in sand which is an obvious reason it would be dumb to say
@@markzhao4588 SOME people are rational. The evidence is evolution which wasn't just "kaboom" and you get people. It was a slow, billions of years process Unlike the magic of the imaginary sky wizard.
I definitely agree with Matt on not needing to use the supernatural to explain natural phenomenons. A few examples are sicknesses being cured by medicine or naturally, a fetus developing through natural causes, how rain/weather in general works naturally, and how societies change and evolve throughout time because of new ideas that come naturally. Did I say naturally enough?
@Justin-o7f6q In short, yes. We can both agree that cosmic background radiation can be traced back to a single point in the universe. But where you may disagree is if matter was formed due to a focused, unstable environment. Although we can't take a time machine to the beginning, both creationism and evolution both rely on the big bang, the only difference being that God either created the universe or not. From what I observed and studied in the world, there is no supernatural evidence that has been observed with 100% integrity. So, I believe the universe did arise from natural causes and not an extraordinary cause.
Yes but the rational explanation for the rational does not and should not remove the credits due to the supernatural. Just as how someone can grow a watermelon in a non artificial but specific way, it can be scientifically explained but it does not remove the credit due to he who made the circumstances that way. God of course is limitless and despite this analogy falling a bit short, when the analogy is viewed in a perspective where God is in charge, with all his power, the analogy does not fall short.
@rosspittman2317 you pretend those words have meaning. Are you saying he's a 4 or 5 dimensional being capable of entering and exiting 3 dimensional space? Clarify your statements and use precise language....THEN we can have a productive conversation. This isn't that difficult. Why do Christians always pretend there's some mind exploding facts out there that we aren't capable of understanding?
@ because our minds can’t even comprehend the sheer size of the universe. Let alone the size of our sun compared to the planet we walk on. That’s not say we shouldn’t ask questions, and try to find answers to said questions, but the fact is, our brains are incapable of understanding the universe we live in. Saying God is outside of time, and space is not all that vague to understand.
you pretend those words have meaning. Are you saying God is a being capable of manifesting matter on a molecular scale in a space where no matter previously existed? Clarify your statements and use precise language....THEN we can have a productive conversation. This isn't that difficult. Why do you always pretend there's some mind exploding facts out there that we aren't capable of understanding?
My friends I know I can't get to everyone in the comment section but I am going to try my best! Ok so yes He (God) exists outside time we simply cannot comprehend because we don't go through time but it goes through us! And as we know time goes both ways forever so he existed forever before and he exists forever after. so simply our definition of time doesn't apply to God. Ok think of this, would you really like for God not to exist? Because I am trying to grasp exactly why atheists hate God so much. Because I think that those who deny him the most actually know he is real and just hate him for something that happened in your life in which case you yourself are denying yourself and are denying logic. you say you have so many facts as to why God isn't true, but all you guys say is stuff like, "their isn't logic or evidence to us proclaiming God" that isn't logical proof that God isn't real here give me one reason God isn't real!!!! I will pray for you guys thank you for reading!
Cliffe did a great job. He is a good preacher trying to save people from eternal damnation. I hope the atheist and other atheists out there change their ways because only through Jesus Christ, who is God, can they reach Heaven. If they don't reach out to Jesus Christ and repent and ask for forgiveness of their sins they will go to hell. Make your decision while you still have it.
@@etherealblacketernal2889 God don’t need to show you proof! But He has showed countless proof in 4000 years time for all the miracles and apparitions that have been done in His name. Also God came down to Earth to become flesh in Jesus to die for us arrogant and ignorant humans. But I know, in your atheist mind that isn’t proof right? If Jesus didn’t command us people of faith to pray for people like you and people of false religions I wouldn’t give a crap about you or any none believer I would say go to hell then, but I am a man of faith and care for all humanity. I highly doubt you can say the same.
@JohnFreemanfollowerofChrist I didn't insult you, so please, don't insult me. You don't know what I would do. You've essentially said you could give me the proof I ask for, but I would ignore it for some reason. I've ignored no evidence as I've been presented with none. I've been presented with assertions, arguments, and testimonials. None of that is sufficient evidence because none of it has anything to back it up. You could ask me for evidence of something, and if I truly know the answer, I would give it to you and allow you yourself to ask questions or dismiss it. I wouldn't assert what you would do. God himself won't come out and defend himself. Yet we're the crazy ones for not believing? Could you, at the least, humor me with supposed evidence?
@JohnFreemanfollowerofChrist I know you meant nothing by it lol, just give me a chance. As for the four gospels, there're still debates on if they were written by who they're supposed to be written by. Many debates about the language used and the style of writing. But even if we could credit them 110% that still only gets us to Jesus was a real person.
@JohnFreemanfollowerofChrist As for the dying for Jesus, thats meaningless. People die for their beliefs all the time. And just because they believed it, doesn't make it true. Islam has suicide bombers, Japan has/had people commit seppeku, a form of self destruction due to dishonor. Does that make their beliefs any more legitimate because they're willing to die for it? I personally don't think so. The healed pastor, the healed leper, the 500 witnesses, there are zero references for any of them outside of their story anywhere else in history. None of them are named, none of them have any personal accounts that could even hint to who they are. And out of 500 witnesses, you would think atleast ONE would have recorded that they seen the resurrected Jesus.
@@blazeythedrummer "The only reason people who believe in Jesus and his miracles are not automatically classified as nuts is that we understand that they've heard these things described to them as being non-fiction since a very young age, and -- unlike the Santa Claus yarn -- their parents never disabused them of this, because those parents were similarly delusional. We also understand that the story dates from over 2000 years ago, perhaps even centuries before that, so the issue is not as obvious (I know, we're making excuses for ignorance here) as something like Scientology, which grew out of more recent fiction." -Anonymous- from an Objectivist forum
Well it looks like Yu don't understand d.n.a. I'd Yu think it came about without intelligence.so you must be clueless and in need of some real schooling.l.o.l.
Well you just told me that you don’t understand DNA not that it’s a genetic code. But it would be impossible for 8 billion people on earth all have different DNA and even more importantly that every person that has ever lived all had there own DNA.
Matt keeps trotting out the same tired wore out arguments for his senseless atheism.his arguments fall apart from close scrutiny. He doesn't believe in God but keeps fighting this God he doesn't think exists. Matt is a complete joke😅😅😅
Lol and Cliffe doesnt?! Hes using the same debunked bs people say 24/7 for ages. And yes he fights the idea of god because religious people wants to force the rest of us to live by their rules and in a way that they think is the correct one.
@@sulongenjop7436 "If there's any sensible question to answer, I believe that it is done via philosophy. Whatever it is that makes religion "religion" -- mystical claims to knowledge, a belief in the supernatural, etc. -- are mistaken. Whatever is left over that is good about religious institutions, including a sense of community, artistic inspiration, charitable organization, etc., is no less available to the secular and the rational." -Anonymous- from an Objectivist forum
Actually that's false, Matt is wrong and always will be, because he uses personal experiences which some are good, but some are flawed, especially some from the very beginning. Kliff on the other hand uses not only personal, but historical, scientific, and biblical knowledge to back his statements and rationality. Rewatch the video, then get back to us.
Hello. I am an atheist. I define atheism as suspending any acknowledgment as to the reality of any particular god until sufficient credible evidence is presented. My position is that *_I currently have no good reason to acknowledge the reality of any god._* And here is why I currently hold to such a position. Below are 11 facts I must consider when evaluating the claim made by certain theists that a particular god exists in reality. To be clear, these are not premises for any argument which _concludes_ there to be no gods. These are simply facts I must take into account when evaluating the verity of such a claim. If any of the following facts were to be contravened at a later time by evidence, experience, or sound argument, I would THEN have good reason to acknowledge such a reality. 1. I have never been presented with a functional definition of a god. 2. I personally have never observed a god. 3. I have never encountered any person who has claimed to have observed a god. 4. I know of no accounts of persons claiming to have observed a god that were willing or able to demonstrate or verify their observation for authenticity, accuracy, or validity. 5. I have never been presented with any _valid_ logical argument, which also introduced demonstrably true premises that lead deductively to an inevitable conclusion that a god(s) exists in reality. 6. Of the many logical syllogisms I have examined arguing for the reality of a god(s), I have found all to contain a formal or informal logical fallacy or a premise that can not be demonstrated to be true. 7. I have never observed a phenomenon in which the existence of a god was a necessary antecedent for the known or probable explanation for the causation of that phenomenon. 8. Several proposed (and generally accepted) explanations for observable phenomena that were previously based on the agency of a god(s), have subsequently been replaced with rational, natural explanations, each substantiated with evidence that excluded the agency of a god(s). I have never encountered _vice versa._ 9. I have never knowingly experienced the presence of a god through intercession of angels, divine revelation, the miraculous act of divinity, or any occurrence of a supernatural event. 10. Every phenomenon that I have ever observed appears to have *_emerged_* from necessary and sufficient antecedents over time without exception. In other words, I have never observed a phenomenon (entity, process, object, event, process, substance, system, or being) that was created _ex nihilo_ - that is instantaneously came into existence by the solitary volition of a deity. 11. All claims of a supernatural or divine nature that I have been presented have either been refuted to my satisfaction or do not present as _falsifiable._ ALL of these facts lead me to the only rational conclusion that concurs with the realities I have been presented - and that is the fact that there is *_no good reason_* for me to acknowledge the reality of any particular god. I have heard often that atheism is the denial of the Abrahamic god. But denial is the active rejection of a substantiated fact once credible evidence has been presented. Atheism is simply withholding such acknowledgment until sufficient credible evidence is introduced. *_It is natural, rational, and prudent to be skeptical of unsubstantiated claims, especially extraordinary ones._* I welcome any cordial response. Peace.
Well, do you want to believe? Most people aren't like Cliffe who go to many different places preaching, most often don't have as many opportunities to share the word of God (or the evidence there of.) If you want to, I recommend checking out a cloth called "The Shroud of Turin" and the hydrophobic sand at the bottom of the red sea. The sand is talked about when Moses parts the Red Sea. There are also many prophecies that have been fulfilled from the bible. Look them up, dig deep. I cannot give you any as I am a baby christian and have not read that deep into the bible, and my understanding is little. I have my own routines, and I am not yet there to learning about and understanding the prophecies. You also have to be willing to try, don't expect people to just come to you giving you evidence because most people will not. Cliffe often uses the analogy of "something cannot be created from nothing, and order does not come from chaos" which is fair. As far as I know here on this world, everything comes from something, and often play into making another something. The world and nature are very intertwined with one another. Romans 1:18-20 "For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who [a]suppress the truth in unrighteousness, 19 because what may be known of God is [b]manifest [c]in them, for God has shown it to them. 20 For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even His eternal power and [d]Godhead, so that they are without excuse"
Only text in the Bible to prove God Exists is Malachi 3:10. Tithing. Giving 10% of what we currently earn and seeing the evidence that God will open the windows of Heaven and we will receive a blessing more than we can take in. It really works . Try jt and let me know if you get the same results! God Exists! Praise God from Whom all blessings flow! Give the Tithes and Offerings! God has blessed President Trump!
@@maylingng4107 The only truth in your godless worldview , is nothing. You can’t know anything to be true. Every thought or idea that you have is merely the results of some chemical reactions in your brain. Your brain is like can of coke. You open it and it fizzes from certain chemical reactions. The fizz is neither true or false, it just is. Your statement about truth in the Bible is nothing but a fizz in your brain. Apart from God you can’t know anything is true. You have no free will. You’re just spouting out a bunch of fizz. Now, I’d urge you to stop hiding behind some non existing intellectual argument against God, and face the real reason you reject Him. You love your sin and don’t want to let go of it. Repent and believe in Christ. He died for sinners like you and me and stands ready to forgive.
@@gospeljoy5713 Nobody wants to live in a totalitarian country under a religious tyranny. There is no difference between Islamic and Christian theocracy. They both rule by force and terror.
@@yoursolutionforlife On the evening of Nov. 1st 2023 just under a month after Israel was attacked, The angel of the Lord came upon me. My arms stretched apart, then together in prayer. I then fell to my knees and the glory of the Lord shone round about me. Immediately I was in the spirit: and, behold four beast, which were full of eyes who's color was like unto the day sky. Like the beast of Ezekiel which were round about the Throne. Before the Throne was a sea of glass like unto crystal, and He that sat upon the Throne was a great light like unto the sun but vastly brighter, and a rainbow shown round about the Throne. That great light is God, for God is light in absence of darkness. I began to plea, please take me Lord, please take me. My fiancee Emily heard a thud from the bedroom above the kitchen which alarmed her. She came downstairs to the livingroom adjacent to the kitchen which had a blanket covering the door. She could her me speaking in a language that wasn't like any known to man. For he that speaketh in a unknown tounge speaketh not to men but unto God. She then moved the blanket to reveal me on my knees face down with my feet crossed. In that same moments my vision ended. She hid herself behind the blanket, I then approached her and embraced her and told her what I had just witnessed.
John 3:19-20 19And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil. 20For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved.
I really tried to be open minded, and I listened to the christian guy make several points at the beginning, every one of which is easily toppled as evidence for God as he imagines it. I would love to just talk to him and see how he would discuss my objections. I've looked everywhere online and there just aren't any good arguments left. It's enough to persuade most people, but that's all.
@littlefire6603 I can try again, but I have to estimate early on if there is anything to gain. The problem is every argument he laid out at the beginning is simply wrong or doesn't prove or give evidence to a God of the Christian sort. I can go through all of them, but I'll provide one example. He uses the standard watchmaker argument, and argues that complex beings must have been designed, contrasting that to a hurricane running though a pile of steel to generate a car. He must know that is not the scientific argument at all for evolution, and that there is a very specific logical process that results in natural selection, which (like intelligent design) can result in complex structures. Nobody is making the claim that we randomly assembled like this and he must know that if he does these debates a lot. It seems more like he's trying to get people to see the science as stupid and instead of arguing honestly against the theory, he argued against something nonsensical that no rational person could believe. It just doesn't seem from the beginning that he's going in with an honest discussion mindset.
@@Elitecataphract Cliffe has zero education in science. That does not stop him to preach against evolution, which we know to be a FACT. There is not a single science organization on the face of the earth that rejects evolution. But Cliffe mouths his ignorance, and pretends to know more than a million+ PhD biologists.
@@Elitecataphract There is no good argument for God that I know, only my experience today which healed me. I do not believe people are punished for not experiencing the love of God, but I hope you will experience it.
@@littlefire6603 if you watch the majority if not all high level debating atheists they never provide a direct answer or any evidence expecially to something they make a absolute claim against. They either deflect, attack the belief, play like God owes then something, rabble or lean back to spewing hate to untrue claimed christian who they know did something wrong but never providing evidence to this person being a true christian or showing that this so called christian met the standard of a christian as set by Christ and his word. And for most there only argument is you the christian have to prove to me with the evidence that I want and am only willing to unbiasely except only if it meets my assumed method of demand lol as if they are judges, lawyers, or they are the form of justice who decides what is exceptible lol. Or they try to degrade the other. Facts are they are not willing to review any evidence unless it fits there presupossitions or bias. Facts are also that you can't claim something doesn't exist because you don't like the idea, or don't want it to. You also have to provide evidence to show it doesn't not your opinion but they evade by saying you must provide there desired proof when nothing for most of them would be sufficient based on what they can view, observe, or hear which is what most science they claim to support is predicated on.. science never said planets didn't exist because they had never seen one, they never denied galaxies in innumerable count because they hadn't physically seen it they never denied black holes or dark matter they reviewed the possible evidences and then waited to see for theirselves.. once and for all to decide the reality of it.. assumptions, equations and theories just were not enough.. theories and assumption don't equal evidence.. otherwise these things would be laws of fact... I've never seen a live space bacteria from let's say a astroid so based on this am I given grounds and authority to say they don't exist even though some claim there is evidence of course but this alone does not make my bias opinion true or accurate why because I've not seeked out or reviewed the evidence then I've because of presuppostion and bias simply said you saw it I didn't lol no.
When - evidence -- doesn't comport with Matt's atheistic worldview ( Jesus Christ ). He either needs MORE evidence, direct, substantiated, corroborated, verified, dated and signed by the participants, and have Israelie songs, transcribed in the dead sea scrolls, sung at each rising of the sun. ..... To know God. He WAS a preacher ... once.
"I have trouble with the whole concept of prayer, in which literally billions of people throughout history have begged God for mercy. But since God is supposed to be all-good and merciful, why would we have to beg him to be what he supposedly already is ?" -Vincent Bugliosi-
@@BeefT-Sq Prayer is another form of meditation. The God of Mercy ?? Pain // suffering is a reality for all creatures. Human's imposing suffering on the world, is a question unto itself. All creatures have beginnings // and ends. Atheists believe = NO god// No ultimate meaning. God = love + end to suffering.
the Bible shouldn’t be considered the best evidence of Jesus. People who believe in Jesus and do the things he’s claimed to have done and better still would be the best evidence. Where’s those examples? Enough arguments which are just evidence of carnal minds.
" Do not say that you’re afraid to trust your mind because you know so little. Are you safer in surrendering to mystics and discarding the little that you know? Live and act within the limit of your knowledge and keep expanding it to the limit of your life." -Anonymous- from an Objectivist forum
@gloriouspurpose_ The individual above stated, " The Bible shouldn't be considered the best evidence of Jesus." If that's the case according to him, then shouldn't all books; even the the ones in your native land be reconsidered?
Why did this debate open with Knechtle marching around the stage like a crazed evangelist? Of course, that is exactly who he is. Most of his opening remarks are evidence of 4.5 bn year earth and evolution.
You obviously didn’t listen😂 if the universe is 13 billion years old who created this universe because nothing doesn’t just cause explosions of space and time, as least I don’t think they do.
Our God indeed is a covenant keeping God. Has he said a thing and not perform it? I watch how things unfold in my life, from penury to $155,000 every three months and I can only praise him and trust him more. Hallelujah🙌🏻❤️
The miracle of God is flowing, thanks for sharing yI'm genuinely curious to know how you earn that much monthlyour blessings, please help others too ❤❤
- Be not DECEIVED, you're not born again if you walk in darkness. I.e willful sin. - Titus 2-11-15 11 For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men, 12 Teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world; 13 Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ; 14 Who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify unto himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works. 15 These things speak, and exhort, and rebuke with all authority. Let no man despise thee. - Ephesians 5:2-11 kjv 2 And walk in love, as Christ also hath loved us, and hath given himself for us an offering and a sacrifice to God for a sweetsmelling savour. 3 But fornication, and all uncleanness, or covetousness, let it not be once named among you, as becometh saints; 4 Neither filthiness, nor foolish talking, nor jesting, which are not convenient: but rather giving of thanks. 5 For this ye know, that no whoremonger, nor unclean person, nor covetous man, who is an idolater, hath any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God. 6 Let no man deceive you with vain words: for because of these things cometh the wrath of God upon the children of disobedience. 7 Be not ye therefore partakers with them. 8 For ye were sometimes darkness, but now are ye light in the Lord: walk as children of light: 9 (For the fruit of the Spirit is in all goodness and righteousness and truth;) 10 Proving what is acceptable unto the Lord. 11 And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them. This is what it means to LOVE --1 John 5 King James Version. 5 Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: and every one that loveth him that begat loveth him also that is begotten of him. 2 By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments. 3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous. 4 For whatsoever is born of God overcometh the world: and this is the victory that overcometh the world, even our faith. 5 Who is he that overcometh the world, but he that believeth that Jesus is the Son of God? - John 3:16-21 16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. 17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved. 18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. 19 And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil. 20 For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved. 21 But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God. - Peter 2:17-22 17 These are wells without water, clouds that are carried with a tempest; to whom the mist of darkness is reserved for ever. 18 For when they speak great swelling words of vanity, they allure through the lusts of the flesh, through much wantonness, those that were clean escaped from them who live in error. 19 While they promise them liberty, they themselves are the servants of corruption: for of whom a man is overcome, of the same is he brought in bondage. 20 For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning. 21 For it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, after they have known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered unto them. 22 But it is happened unto them according to the true proverb, The dog is turned to his own vomit again; and the sow that was washed to her wallowing in the mire. - 2 Thessalonians 2:10-13 KJV And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved. 11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie: 12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness. 13 But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth . - Woe, woe, woe to the inhabiters of the EARTH DO NOT take any so called disease vVaAxX/ mRNA /mark of the BEAST. - For it is the Abomination of Desolation giving seat to the antichrist in the temple of God. - World Health Organization is that serpent whom was given power to make war with the saints. And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven. BEWARE-----Global Health and Peace Initiative treaty / Digital Health Vaccine Certification ID-------BEWARE - BEWARE- UN "Pact for the Future" BEWARE- - IT HAS ALREADY BEGUN - 1 Corinthians 3:17-18 King James Version (KJV) 17 If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy, which temple ye are. 18 Let no man DECEIVE himself. If any man among you seemeth to be wise in this world, let him become a fool, that he may be wise. 19 For the wisdom of this world is foolishness with God. For it is written, He taketh the wise in their own craftiness. - 1 Thessalonians 5 3 For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape. - Can you be DECEIVED into taking the MARK of the beast ? = YES - Revelation 19:20 20 And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he DECEIVED them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone. - Matthew 24:15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:) - Revelation 13:14 - 14 And DECEIVETH them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live. - Revelation 14:11 And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name. There is no pre-tribulation rapture.
Interesting post, how did Matt demolish Cliffe’s argument, considering how Matt could not clearly answer straight forwardly Cliffe’s question except dodging it?
Matt's literal job is to make fools of atheists on his call in show, because that's all his call in show accomplishes. It shows just how clueless atheists are.
Cliffe clearly is unaware that eye witness testimony is very unreliable and is the leading cause of wrongful convictions. Apart from intentionally lying for various reasons, it can also be unintentional due to how human memory works. Its not like a video playing back exactly the same each time you recall a memory, instead, each time you recall a memory it gets distorted. You can test this phenomena by playing the telephone game, with each person in a circle that has to recall what someone just told them and relay it to the next person, and by the time it gets to the last person, its completely different from the original story. So you can certainly see how in ancient times it was quite easy for myths to develop with oral tradition, and how anyone could put their faith in this stuff is mind blowing.
Based on this logic, we ought to just toss away any ancient documents about any individual because every historical figure had their own stories written down and in fact are less reliable due to the lack of documents compared to Jesus and the time span between when they were written. An example is that Alexander the Great's earliest written document comes hundreds of years after his death and with Jesus, the earliest document is about 30-ish years after His resurrection. Eye witness testimony is like a double-edged sword, it can be equally reliable as it is unreliable and it depends on how consistent the testimonies are and if they ever alter. Interestingly enough, the eyewitnesses who SAW (keep that in mind) Jesus' resurrection, also died defending they saw Him and truly is God. The common consensus is that no one defends what they know is a lie, so an example is the Watergate Scandal where people were told to keep a secret and share inaccurate information, those people very soon spilt the beans and exposed the lies. With the disciples, if they manufactured this lie or even just saw a man who looked similar to Jesus and mistaken that man as Him, they wouldn't have kept that lie going for forty years while undergoing imprisonment, torture, and eventually a cruel death. The telephone game is a good example of how a story can warp but we have thousands upon thousands of ancient manuscripts that talk about Jesus and analyzing these manuscripts, it maintains the consistency of the divinity of Jesus Christ, so applying the telephone game to the story of Jesus doesn't quite work because the documents would have notable differences which there are none. The conclusion here is that Jesus is the most well documented historical figure, the Bible is the most well preserved and well written collection of books ever recorded, and the legitimacy of Jesus' divinity is trust worthy and dependable.
False, i have seen the throne of God. God is real. On the evening of Nov. 1st 2023 just under a month after Israel was attacked, The angel of the Lord came upon me. My arms stretched apart, then together in prayer. I then fell to my knees and the glory of the Lord shone round about me. Immediately I was in the spirit: and, behold four beast, which were full of eyes who's color was like unto the day sky. Like the beast of Ezekiel which were round about the Throne. Before the Throne was a sea of glass like unto crystal, and He that sat upon the Throne was a great light like unto the sun but vastly brighter, and a rainbow shown round about the Throne. That great light is God, for God is light in absence of darkness. I began to plea, please take me Lord, please take me. My fiancee Emily heard a thud from the bedroom above the kitchen which alarmed her. She came downstairs to the livingroom adjacent to the kitchen which had a blanket covering the door. She could her me speaking in a language that wasn't like any known to man. For he that speaketh in a unknown tounge speaketh not to men but unto God. She then moved the blanket to reveal me on my knees face down with my feet crossed. In that same moments my vision ended. She hid herself behind the blanket, I then approached her and embraced her and told her what I had just witnessed.
@@marccosta8806 "To the question of whether I believe in God, if we were in court I'd object on the ground that the question assumes a fact not in evidence." -Vincent Bugliosi-
400 years of slavery of the Africans were done by christians, the Holocaust against the jews, gays were done by christians, colonization of the east were done by christians, two world wars started by christians. Christinity spread by blood and sword. Forceful conversation of people of other faith were done by christians. This shows how peaceful christanity is.
Those who claim to be "Christians" and commit violence against others are not true followers of Jesus and you ought to be intellectually honest enough to recognize that just because some Muslims are terrorists does not discount Islam as a religion on its own or its potential truth. Also, pretty racist of you to suggest that Black people are too stupid to believe in Christ of their own free will and were just colonized into believing in it. The greatest acts of horror and murder have been committed by Atheists. Hitler, as you mentioned, was not a Christian but a self proclaimed atheist and he killed 6 million Jews. Mao Zedog, atheist, killed 80 million people. Joseph Stalin, atheist, 6.5 million, Vladimir Lenin, 61 million. Please do your research before spouting nonsense
Another thing, WWI and WWII were not started by any one person, each war was started by various hits and assassinations against other countries by differing people and governments, each with a different agenda so your argument there holds no weight.
There have been "Christians" who justified enslaving other races but it were Christians who sought to abolish slavery. It is historically known that the Bible was tampered with and edited as a way to promote to slaves that slavery is good. Christians are bad but they are no different from any other kind of person. Don't blame the Bible for something man had done. With the holocaust, it wasn't Christians that promoted it to begin with. Hitler was not a Christian and in fact hated Christianity almost as much as jews and even said that Christians were just jews in disguise. It is more accurate to say that it was Darwinism that caused the holocaust because Hitler was inspired with the idea of superior races which he in fact promoted. The World Wars were not started because of religion like Christianity. As for colonization, we can once again turn to the individuals who clearly didn't follow scriptural teachings, so you are repeating yourself by using the same generalizing argument that because people who claim to be Christians did bad things, Christianity must be evil. Clearly you lack the comprehension to understand the sinful natures of man do not equal to what the Bible teaches.
@@blazeythedrummer "...watching the United States become increasingly influenced by Christ-centered politics troubles me. The dystopian future depicted in Atlas Shrugged becomes more easily imaginable. And it is for this reason that I dread the fact that so few people I've met have ever even heard of Ayn Rand, let alone have enough understanding of her work to make a judgement about it." -Anonymous- from an Objectivist forum
You think so? I thought Matt was stuttering, lacked confidence, couldn't answer questions and relied on the crowds laughter. I think you're being dishonest
According to cliff the way u understand the bible is to read it and discern for yourself .thats not what the bible teaches .proverbs 3:5 .this scripture is the reason why there are religious leaders leading the masses down a flawed interpretation and epistemology .
Ridiculous assertion. I have attempted to discredit the Bible for decades. I would never subject myself to belief in something as foolish as belief in a dead and vulnerable savior. He's not dead. That's the point. He's alive. Everyone who has actually read scripture and poured over the evidence knows it's true. Dumb atheists complain about things they haven't invested any time in investigating.
@@rmartin70 Nah he actually said He uses Ways to determine if a historical text is accurate, rmartin ur the result of not watching everything inside a video
@michaelgreenwell6355 it's a fact many religious people do become irrational. Yes we can become that way if we become obsessed for finding the ultimate truth.
Then why watch the debate? Part of you knows that there is something out there besides us OR you are searching for an answer you can rationalize in your own head. Sometimes a leap of faith is what it takes to start and then begin finding the answers.
I do not submit or capitulate to the broken theology of Abraham. The actual ONE TRUE CREATOR is a perfect CREATOR. *There is no Sin, for there is no true seperation or disunity within CREATION. *There is no Sin, For FREE WILL & KNOWLEDGE are a pre-requisite for supreme consciousness. *There is NO SIN, for the actual ONE TRUE CREATOR is intrinsically interwoven into every quanta of CREATION. * It is impossible for a CREATION to be seperate from the actual ONE TRUE CREATOR, for HE IS A PERFECT CREATOR, & produces perfect CREATIONS.
41:05 Matt should have said, "Why would a God who demands we believe in this boom come down to tell us _what to believe about this book_ ?" The Buddhist Sutras are marked up with little indicators to help readers distinguish between when the text is intended to be read lieterally/commonly, metaphorically, or if the meaning was unclear-this marking up process gets very precise; down to telling the reader which individual words themselves are meant to be taken each way. And there are multiple traditions of these interpretation markings-they conflict (as expected). But that's fine because Buddhism makes no claim that the sutras are inerrant-they are just provisional truths to help us understand the world outside of the sutras-nothing more.
MY THEOLOGY is a reflection of me delving into my inner connection with the ONE TRUE CREATOR. I FOLLOW THIS CONNECTION, not any prescribed religion... though there are parallels to existing religions. I was raised as loosly Pagan. Claimed "spiritual " for a long time, for lack of a better term. I see all dogmas as containing truth, as I see every word ever spoken as GODS WORD. But dogmas are ment to be stepping stones to Divinity... not Chains for Divinity. I've not liked the "Spiritual" label.... not accurate enough. I realized that I do believe in the CONSTRUCT of the ONE TRUE CREATOR.... I just don't agree with the limitations imposed on him through Abrahamic theology. Which is why I now claim, "Non-Abrahamic, TRUE MONOTHEIST ".... I emphasize "TRUE MONOTHEIST " BECAUSE I SEE MOST FOLLOWERS OF ABRAHAM AS NOT TRUE MONOTHEIST. Most followers of Abraham believe in 2 diametrically opposed kingdoms within CREATION... each under diametrically opposed rulers.... this is not TRUE MONOTHEISM. I call it, DUALISTIC BI-THEISM. Followers of Abraham emphasize Seperation & Division within CREATION... WHERE I EMPHASIZE THE UNITY OF CREATION. If Seperation & Division are REAL... THEN SO ARE SIN, DEVIL & HELL... BUT, ALSO.... IF NON-UNITY (Seperation & Division) are real, then this invalidates the very assertion of the CONSTRUCT of the ONE TRUE CREATOR. Which would u rather have? Unity or Non-Unity? If UNITY IS the underlying characteristic of CREATION (& THUS, GOD), then the Seperation which Abrahamic theology insists upon is impossible.... this is why I call Abrahamic theology "BROKEN".... SO close, but so far away. If NON-UNITY is REAL, then there is no ONE TRUE CREATOR. if UNITY is REAL, then there is no HELL OR DEVIL.... FOR ALL THINGS ARE HIS. the moment u try to name the ONE TRUE CREATOR, U THEN SEPERATE HIM FROM EVERY OTHER NAME, & limit HIM. EVERY NAME IS HIS.... For a name is the delineation of an INDIVIDUAL..... THE ONE TRUE CREATOR IS THE PRIMORDIAL, PENULTIMATE INDIVIDUAL FROM WHICH EVERY OTHER INDIVIDUAL FLOWS. HE IS THE SOURCE OF INDIVIDUALITY. WHICH ENABLES THE INFINITE PROLIFERATION OF INDIVIDUALITY WITHIN CREATION.
The one thing Matt isn't aware of due to his choice of not believing and having blind eyes, is that healing isn't something of the past. He said you need extra ordinary things to happen. They still happen. People still get healed. Cancer dissappears without treatment.
I think God healed me today. I don't even quite know what that means yet, but I do know that it has filled me with love -- including for Matt. I don't understand the negativity towards him. Seek to understand. It is not your place to judge him.
If Yahweh made man.... In his image, w his heart.... & Yahweh breaks his own commandments... Then by virtue of perfect CREATION, not only should Yahweh NOT punish his creation for breaking his commandments, HE SHOULD EXPECT & rejoice in his CREATIONS breaking his commandments.... because what is good for the FATHER is good for the SON. OTHERWISE, Yahweh proves himself to NOT BE the ONE TRUE CREATOR. Yahweh can break his law all he wants... but at the moment he does, he proves that this law is not ABSOLUTE or objective. Yahweh breaking his own law proves he is not the ONE TRUE CREATOR. The ONE TRUE CREATOR has the power to enact his will w out breaking his own laws. The ONE TRUE CREATOR is the primordial source of intellect & wisdom and would lead by example, not by hypocrisy. The commandments break themselves. "Thou shall not kill"... yet the "punishment" for breaking the commandments is to be killed. 😂😂😂 tell me again how there is no contradiction in the Bible. ❤ The ONE TRUE CREATOR has no need to make commandments. I realize that you have relinquished your divine sovereignty unto the theology of Abraham... and you would like to see me do the same to justify your decision. But I retain my divine sovereignty as I declare that ALL creations have direct access to the ONE TRUE CREATOR. ALL words are God's words. For there is no sound uttered without the empowerment of the breath of life from the CREATOR. ANY sentient being which makes demands or commands proves themselves to NOT BE the ONE TRUE CREATOR. for the ONE TRUE CREATOR has the power of CREATION.... & with such, has no need of demands. Creation is the expression of pure freedom. The ONE TRUE CREATOR would not place artifical limits, such as arbitrary demands externally... he would build those limits into the structure of CREATION ITSELF, such as the "speed of light". Yahweh is not the ONE TRUE CREATOR. IT IS NOT HIS CREATION. The Actual ONE TRUE CREATOR has nothing to be vengeful or jealous of, for ALL THINGS ARE HIS. That Yahweh is jealous & vengeful is more proof that he is NOT the ONE TRUE CREATOR. JESUS spoke out against the broken Theology of Abraham, and his followers killed him for it. They could not eradicate his story, so they integrated it into their dogmas in order to manipulate the masses into relinquishing their DIVINE SOVEREIGNTY unto the church. I do believe in the Christ Consciousness. But I do not capitulate to distortions of it imposed by Followers of Abraham. And my perception of Christ does not require the approval or validation of your perception... just as your perception does not require the validation of mine. The actual ONE TRUE CREATOR requires NOTHING FROM YOU. Every CREATION that we as CREATORS extend is a testament to HIS GREATNESS. CREATORS CREATING IS HIS WORSHIP, accepted. 😂😂😂
Cliffe is a great preacher. His expressions, mimics and contact with the audience is overwhelming. If I needed to convince someone about true facts, I´d like to have his abilities. And that´s the case about (Christian) religion. There is no evidence about God, Christ or anything like that, but he can make arguments, that are very convincing. I can see how that kind of people have been able to brainwash people to become religious, especially if it has started from childhood. I hope if you are one of those, you can set yourself free and start to think independently.
Thank you for your concern, but I will stick to believing in Christ. If I am right like many other christians, then I gain eternal life in heaven. If I am wrong, well, then I have nothing to lose and I wont even know I lost. It's not out of fear but out of gratefulness that I believe. You have a blessed day!
@@blazeythedrummer "Now some might argue at this point that there is no reason that any religion should exist because science and philosophy can provide an understanding of the world without faith." -Anonymous- from an Objectivist forum
@@Christophercurtis22 not that it has to be the abraham God, although I do believe it is. The simple idea that creation is a thing and that life exists is enough to prove that a God exists. Everything has a cause even the universe. But the first cause of everything must be eternal otherwise it's an infinite regression of finite things causing eeach other. Simple it makes no sense because then we wouldn't have a start to begin with, if all requires a cause. But if you have a first cause that is eternal then that cause can cause the rest to happen. But for something to be eternal and cause the universe to be made it most be immensely powerful and intellegent to create laws and systems. So now we have a cause that is the first, it's powerfull enough to create things like a universe (you could say all powerful), infinitly intellegent to create laws and systems. Ding ding ding ding we just described God. Now you would go into which God and for that I reccomend reading about different relgions and their past history, listen to experts inside and out the religions. I found Christ in my life many things pointed to him the historical evidence. The prophesies, locations, events thagt ahppen in the bible being real, logically speaking, etc. I read about the islam, christinatity, buddism, and looked at others too. I found truths and values that varied in many but in Christ I found The Truth. I wish the best for you and that you seek more info.
Wow the evidence that Cliffe presents far far outweighs anything that Matt presents. God promised that anyone who sincerely and honestly seeks Him WILL find Him. He will not be found of them who are scorners and mockers...
You might need to pay more attention mate, evidence is different to proof, Cliffe clearly stated the evidence for God, if you don’t like the evidence, fine, but I wouldn’t recommend lying that no evidence was presented.
@ Then you should have no trouble citing a single shred of evidence your imaginary friends are real…but you won’t. You’ll come up with a million and one excuses not to, but you won’t cite actual evidence any supposed invisible magicians exist.
scorners and mockers will never find God because they don’t want to, they only want to dump on it, no amount of evidence or proof would make any difference because the scorners and mockers don’t want the truth, move on mate
I do not believe God exists(/=) i believe God does not exist....i have an Associates Degree(2)...somebody tell me the difference between these two statements
@ It will take sometime for you to realize and accept the fact that the divine world doesn’t exist and therefore, has never interfered with your life all the while!
The only thing I would add is that science the fact to observe something points to God. The fact that we are not burning up or freezing due to where we are placed orbiting the sun affirms your first point that there is a creator. Praise God thank you Jesus
No it doesnt. It only points to we're placed in a position to not burn or not freeze. There's no evidence or even any rational reason to link god to anything UNTIL you've given evidence for god.
@@etherealblacketernal2889the whole idea that our universe has very specific and accurate numbers points to design, for example even an extremely small shift in the gravity”s strength would cause all stars to die. No one can 100% prove god like they can’t disprove god, based on what our world is like I think it’s very plausible to assume someoen designed this rather that it all just randomly happened. It is very hard to rationally say that everything we have started as nothing and this nothing randomly caused everything rather then saying that the universe which is proven to have a beginning was created by someone thing with the capablilies to design order. An example of this is the primordial soup. The theory claims that the first cell was created by a super specific unique mixture of elements and than a cosmic lighting strike hit this “soup” and caused it to create the first proteins. This theory is repeatable by humans in a lab. But this is the point, it is only reproduced when humans, an intelligent mind, interacted and design it. There whatsoever isn’t any evidence to prove this could even remotely happen randomly, therefore this primordial soup could be rationally explained by being designed. This whole god arguement isn’t about proof and gatchas but it’s about actually h thinking rationally about what our universe really is, and it’s farly more rational that an intelligent mind created it all rather than it’s all random and accidents
"Imprinted on all our coins and all our currency are the words, 'In God we trust'. But why ? What has God done to earn this trust ? " -Vincent Bugliosi-
"Japan is a very atheistic place" Bro what are you smoking😭 Maybe a very non-Abrahamic religion country, but not Atheistic. Also China is a communist state, ofc its an atheistic place. Like, no shit sherlock.
@ “You do not find atheism in (….) Asia.” So, yeah, he denies that… I find it absurd that 80% of the world population doesn’t believe in Christ and therefore will be sent to hell… according to a lot of Christians. Do you believe that?
bro.... Yahweh is like.... totally NOT the ONE TRUE CREATOR.... & I can prove it using logic. 😂 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😘 The actual ONE TRUE CREATOR Created ALL THINGS, & is intrinsically interwoven into all things... Therefore, to say that there is a CREATION that is SEPERATE from the CREATOR (as in Sin, Evil, Devil, Demon & Hell) is to say there is an imperfect CREATION.... WHICH, IF REAL, WOULD INVALIDATE the construct of the ONE TRUE CREATOR. For it is impossible for any CREATION to be seperate from the ONE TRUE CREATOR. I know.... this is where u will want to "Demonize 😂 " FREE WILL & KNOWLEDGE" in order to bolster your claims for SEPERATION within your perception of the ONE TRUE CREATOR. But free will & knowledge are a prerequisite for the complete freedom inherent within CREATION. FREE WILL & KNOWLEDGE are intrinsic properties of Consciousness.... this is Demonized by followers of Abraham, because FREE WILL & KNOWLEDGE leads ONE to see beyond the deceptions baked into their dogmas. And all this is more proof that Yahweh can't possibly be the actual ONE TRUE CREATOR.
"Personally, I think the biggest damage religion inflicts is on how a person thinks. The notion that someone is watching over you at all times has vast implications on inner thought -- problem solving, value choices, assigned importance on different life events, perceived self-efficacy, etc. etc. etc." -Anonymous- from an Objectivist forum
Einstein discovered that the universe had an age. Meaning it has to have a beginning. What was before the universe? The answer is nothing. without space you can have nothing, there would be nowhere to put it. There has to be a god outside of space and time to create it, you can’t get something from nothing.
"I do not believe that God exists," and "I believe God does not exist," are different claims? Can somebody explain the difference between these two statements to me 🤔
@blazeythedrummer that's kind of what I thought... I had to go back and replay that section of the video to make sure I heard Matt correctly on that quote.
“I do not believe that God exists” ---> “There could be a good out there but I see no evidence to believe that.” “I believe god does not exist” ---> “I think there is no god out there”
@@Penndreic there is loads of evidence out there, from design to personal testimony to philosophical dilemma,, etc. Now whether you draw a conclusion of God's existence or not is a different story. And besides, with the order of the words in the sentence you cannot conclude whether there is evidence considered or not. It can be there in both instances, or be absent.
Cliff has little more than hyperbolic style of speech that seems to say, "clearly, what I'm saying is the truth because I'm saying it in this grand manner." None of that is remotely convincing. He talks in circles and makes these grand illogical leaps.
These comments show me everyday on top of my day to day experiences with you fellow “humans” I understand why god wiped us out your insufferable, close minded, ignorant ppl. And the way ppl are so angry at God for YOUR DECISIONS. AND PPL MAKING THEIR OWN DECISIONS is ridiculous. God doesn’t force love he doesn’t want ur fake love he wants genuine love just like we all do. Wonder why we have the desire? 🤷🏽♀️💯 crazy the way ppl talk.
why is it that matt doesnt stand up and speak clearly and confidently? why does he read off a laptop screen and still continues to stutter? i believe that the connection with god alone gives you the light to happily speak about him and his teachings without any mistakes, weather it be from the holy spirit himself or a gaurdian angel.. you CANNOT disprove god but yet it's something you defend and refuse to accept.. jesus once " For it would have been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, after they had known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered unto them. "
in the spiritual world angles are said to have been given the knowledge from the said time of creation, as us humans NEED to go seek the word of the holy spirit right? but what we have in common is after gaining that knowledge we are given a choice.. do we choose to go against the word of god or do we endure it.. amen
Of course its rational if it''s actually true! Follow the evidence. Arguments based on scientific evidence such as the kalam, fine tuning, design argument, etc... Look at the philosophical argument from morality. Look at the historical evidence for the life, death, and resurrection of Jesus Christ.
@Bible_Alive Thank you for championing the faith. The OP has encouraged we atheists to follow the evidence demonstrating the life, death, and resurrection of this Jesus. I have search for more than 35+ years to find a single evidentiary fact that goes toward demonstrating his historicity. Are you aware of any such fact? If so, can you please state this evidentiary fact in a complete sentence for my consideration. If you aware of more than one, present the first one for my consideration.
There is a very simple way to convince anyone including me about a divine Jesus (crucifixion and resurrection). All you have to do is to name a single eyewitness (other than the lies in the bible), an eyewitness, a writer or a historian who mentions one word about Jesus. It is alleged that thousands of people including writers and historians witnessed Jesus. So name one eyewitness, and we will all believe you!
@1:03 Cliff "what is the evidence that god exists, first piece of evidence the big bang" @17:06 Cliff "Science doesn't prove god exists Best not use science then Cliff!
@JohnFreemanfollowerofChrist Since you are flawed like you say you are, how can you claim a God? Why are you trying to convince when you said only a God can convince? You are flawed in your reasoning. There's no God that convince me of its existence. Maybe it was a flaw in your thinking that a God convinced you of its existence. We are not flawed as men because we are men. No need to reply because you said only God can convince.
@JohnFreemanfollowerofChrist Matt didn't claim that there is no God. He said he doesn't believe in the existence of a God. Belief is not a thing to make a claim of that needs evidence. A claim and a belief are two different things. Cliffe made a claim for which he needs evidence.
@JohnFreemanfollowerofChrist So you think that a God needs you to say God bless for it right? You have convinced me what rationality isn't. I wish you all the best, but also the ability to think critically and not make claims that you have no rational evidence to show for. It's about the same thing as lying. I just hope any claim or action you may make isn't detrimental to the truth or well-being of others.
The undeniable evidence is coming. I recommend going the faith route during the church age. If you find yourself seeing the plagues and the Antichrist, it’s going to be harder to surrender to Jesus because even though you can’t deny it at that point, you will have to most likely be be-headed for your faith and that time period that is coming will be worse than all of human history!
I dont care what others choose to believe, but I know for a fact Jesus is God. There have been miracles in my life that have no rational explanation. God has kept every promise that He states in the bible to me. All it took was for me to open my heart and truly want to know the truth. Seek and you will find, knock and He will answer. If you are prideful or self righteous in your quest, you will fail. God bless all of you, may you come to know Jesus, because his love is unlike anything I've ever felt.
I am not affiliated with any denomination, I'm just a guy from new york who wants to know Jesus but I feel cold.. Please someone help me. I have been neck deep in a bad addiction of lust and sexual immorality of all types. And one night when I've seen multiple videos about Jesus coming soon, I've had enough and wanting to be free from this bondage and cried out to Jesus to save me, to help me and to guide me through a different direction, to be my Lord and Savior. This was in October of 2023. It's November of 2024 and it feels like I got nowhere at all. I'm still stuck doing the same stupid things over and over and over again. Repeatedly I've asked the Lord to renew my mind and heart, to cleanse my heart of this filth as well as other sins of pride and arrogance, of ego and laziness and slothfulness. But I feel falling to the same vices and temptations as if I didn't learn anything.
My heart feels cold and I dont feel the Holy Spirit due to being such neck deep in porn addiction even when I constantly try to repent away but I keep falling. I keep failing and I keep grieving the Holy Spirit. Has the Lord left me to a reprobate mind. Am I hopeless....i hate myself and my sin. ..Jesus have mercy..i. feel like a false convert. A liar that sheds crocodile tears every week wondering when this will end and if the Lord even hears me anymore, I know I wouldn't with how many times I've said I wanted to stop this and will focus more on Him only to get lazy again, and again, and keep falling again, and again, and again..
I dont want to be seperated from Jesus but I am having such a hard time dropping and letting go of this porn addiction. As well as the guilt from my past when I did so many attrocious, disgusting things that'd get me locked up for that no one will forgive (mans perspective anyway), . I am so lost and I want to change...am I just a doomed liar..I really am scared and about to cry once again today from just the mere thoughts of hearing Depart from me, I never knew you, you worker of iniquity", that I was never His, that I was never in his flock and only meant to be burned because I couldn't surrender my whole heart to Him. I don't understand why I can't just obey, why I can't just follow Him and focus on Him.
What does it really mean to have faith and believe in Him, to Trust him with my everything. Do I have to die to show it in the great tribulation, I don't know anything..I just wanna be with Jesus and I really am in such depression and grief over my own failures and iniquity that I wonder if I was ever truly saved to begin with, that I was just never His. Or maybe I was left to a reprobate mind that's stuck on sin and death. I don't know..I want to know..I want to be free in Christ and to follow Him and be with Him forever, to be born again and into God's family forever. I don't wanna lose salvation, if that's even possible, I want Him. Please, what do I do..
I'm really scared that I just sinned my life away, my salvation away, that I was never His to begin with and that I'm just lying to myself. am i really saved, or am I just a hopeless porn addict that's lying to himself and trying to get outta hell free card, I hate myself so much for letting this happen to me..I hate that I grieved and hurt the holy spirit in such a manner yet I can't stop myself or been so lazy to even attempt to try. what the fuck is wrong with me man..please...someone..am I really saved..am I a liar..how do I get rid of this..when do I finally get to finally work and walk in the holy spirit in love, faith, and trust and hope in the redemptive work of Christ. Why can't ..I just obey Jesus..why can't I just obey the Lord my God who died for me, bled for me, and set me free yet I bondage myself to these chains of addiction. why man...
Hi buddy! I admire your honesty, and I know exactly how you feel. Let me start by sharing a verse that has encouraged me a lot recently. “For no one is cast off by the Lord forever. Though he brings grief, he will show compassion, so great is his unfailing love. For he does not willingly bring affliction or grief to anyone.” Lamentations 3:31-33. Listen mate, none of us deserve heaven. We all deserve death. However, Jesus’ perfect blood that he bled on the cross was so powerful that it purified all of us, and there is nothing that it cannot pay the price for. In addition, although we must not take advantage of this, God’s forgiveness is also just as powerful. His forgiveness is unconditional. You may feel that you are unworthy after messing up in the same way a million times, but that’s the lie that Satan wants you to believe. Jesus will meet you right where you are. Let me tell you something. If you didn’t have the Spirit in you, you wouldn’t even feel guilty like you do now. That guilt in you in a way proves that you truly want to pursue a relationship with God, so don’t be worried about being denied by Christ. Overcoming sexual immorality is the hardest part and is something I’m still struggling with myself, but let me give you a few tips. First of all, God knows that we are too weak to fight sexual immorality, so he specifically tells us not to. It says, “Flee from sexual immorality”, 1 Corinthians 6:18, meaning that instead of even trying to fight it, we must run away. Galatians 5:17 says “The flesh desires what is contrary to the Spirit, and the Spirit what is contrary to the flesh.” Therefore, the best way to fight it is to be so focused on God, that you “forget” to sin. Remember, the 9th fruit of the Spirit is self-control, so if the Spirit is living within us, as the flesh is contrary to it, we suddenly lose the desire to sin. Lastly, you shouldn’t fight this battle on your own, so find a person that you trust and share what you’re going through. I’ll always be here for you too, and I have many more tips, so please ask any time. God bless you, and I’ll be praying 🙏
Hi my friend. Would just like to add that upon trying to find Christ and the Holy Spirit, also try as I had to do when I was going through something very similar to yourself which is, Start at a gym or some form of exercise, going to a church that preaches about our Lord and savior, try and eat healthy and surround yourself around people you love and can trust. Jesus Is Lord and when the time is right he will heal you ❤
@@SheepOfTheLord1 Maybe you should try accepting the reality that there are no ‘gods’.
Hey brother, just know that you’re not alone. Christ died for us even when we were dead in our trespasses and sins. As the commenter above said, satan will try and convince you, whispering in your ear that you’re not good enough, that you’re disgusting, that you’re hopeless, etc.. The way to battle that is to stay in your scripture daily. I know it’s not easy if you’re not used to doing it, but I promise you it will change your life if you keep up with it. When Jesus was tempted by the devil in the wilderness for forty days, he used scripture as his weapon Ask The Holy Spirit to help you interpret it. I recommend the gospels first and to start off small if that works for you. We are commanded to pray and read His Word, and the Bible is the active and living word of God, meaning it is able to change and transform you deep in your soul. This is the best way to develop your relationship with our Lord Jesus Christ. Also fellowship is great, and if you have the ability to find some sort of men’s group or Bible study, it has helped me immensely. One thing I would point out is that when you stop with that kind of addiction your dopamine levels are gonna crash because you’re so used to getting an extreme amount in such a short time. This might be why you’re feeling lazy and tired as well. You’ll need a healthy alternative like working out, as someone mentioned, to combat that feeling. You might even be pretty depressed for a little while, but it will get better and easier with time and be so worth it. I don’t know you obviously, but I know you can do this. I’m praying for you bud.
@@SheepOfTheLord1 what a lamentation and I’ve been there and still struggle with lust some days feeling hollow or not good enough. Jesus paid for you once and for all. Sanctification is a life long journey. In our trials we develop perseverance. God will give you the strength continue to reach out in prayers, the body of Christ and he will set you free. God bless you
Matt saying we've made no headway with debating the Bible isn't true, each decade more archeological evidence is found revealing more truth of Jesus.
😂 what archaeological evidence?
@@real7thegod513shroud of turin, dead sea scrolls, sodom and the other town, walls of jericho, noahs ark in the mtns of arrarat omg how could you be so nieve “😂”
@@hamb0ne none of those things are considered reliable proof of the historicity of the Bible by actual historians who don't have an apologist agenda. Dead sea scrolls are based on the Maseratic text which are themselves unreliable as a historical document.
Still waiting to see evidence of Hebrews being slaves in Egypt for 400 yrs or proof Moses or Abraham actually existed
@@hamb0ne where's the proof for the exodus? They've been digging in Egypt since Napoleon's invasion over 200 years ago and still haven't found anything credible to prove the Bible is true.
@@real7thegod513shhhh sir maybe close your mouth on things you do not know 😮
I like how Matt says strawman ing then back tracks, cliffes point still stands eitherway
"Atlas Shrugged is fiction that is presented as fiction. The bible and the Qur'an are fiction that are presented as truth. Big difference."
-Anonymous- from an Objectivist forum
Can you try that in adult English?
Matt thinks he has to date a trans because he is too scared to admit he's gay
@@CoolPigeon98 You think that you have to gurgle moronic, transphobic nonsense because you are a feckless nazi neuter that still suckles on the teats of cousin mommy.
It's a choice choose God 🎉
Thanks for sharing. When did this debate take place?
2012
@@Bible_Alive Why would you want to bring attention to Cliffe getting crushed?
@@AsixA6he didn't get crushed jeez atheist are something 😭
@@Thatboycddz Are you deaf? As he always does, Cliff got crushed.
@@AsixA6sad life you got, i’m not even christian nor atheist idk im neutral but cliff has very rational statements his points make way much more sense than this guy reading everything off a screen, you can tell cliff is dedicated and knows what he’s saying, every religion has jesus name in their whys that and i wonder why too, and i see that christianity gets prosecuted way more than any other religion
"Is a belief in a Christian God rational?...First, the fact that we are still debating these claims after thousands of years of debates by laymen and scholars should demonstrate that the only reasonable answer to this question is no." This is what Matt said...then said that he said, :
"could be that God didn't exist..." Come on Matt...you are backtracking.
He's being careful/sarcastic dude, are you that tone deaf?
How sure are you that the Mesopotamian sun god Šamaš isn't real? What about the Aztec sun god Huitzlipotchtli? What about the great god Mwari of the Shona peoples of Zimbabwe and Mozambique? Or the Japanese Shinto sun goddess Amaterasu?
If your answer honestly, then you'll probably say that: "I don't believe any of these gods are real because I've never even heard of most of them before. But now that I have, I think it's far less likely that they're real because everyone I know is a Christian, Muslim, Jew, etc. so I think it must be one of these popular Abrahamic faiths-and since I grew up Christian and my entire support network is Christian, therefore I'm Christian."
But the evidence for ALL GODS is the same-zero. The sun is a hot ball of hydrogen undergoing nuclear fusion in its core that is some 93 million miles away-it isn't a god, it's just matter and energy.
Do you even know what you’re saying?
@@SawBlade11 Fist statement Matt made: GOD DOES NOT EXIST | Second statement Matt made: Maybe idk for sure 🤷♂. Is that simple enough?
@@fentstar Matt has repeatedly said he can’t for certain say god doesn’t exist but with the evidence he’s seen he doesn’t believe god does. It’s what an agnostic atheist is
Cliff makes perfect sense and gives overwhelming evidence that God exists and Jesus is real. Great job presenting great proof for God
Overwhelming evidence? I don't think he had even one piece that was convincing .
Cliffe offered no evidence.....nothing, zilch, nada!
I think you’re being sarcastic haha
@@esdrasferreras1227
Not really, just exposing a liar. What is exactly the evidence Cliffe offered about his god?
@@maylingng4107 I meant the op is being sarcastic you’re good
Jesus is who we are judged by after death. I was spared by Him to warn/confirm belief in Christ Jesus is 100% correct. I was a straight edge Atheist before my accident in 2005.
@@420Yako tell me more.
It sounds like it makes sense, however, why do extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence? Does a more extraordinary claim require more evidence in a foot of law? Whether any claim is true, extraordinary or not, is not dependent on the 'quality" of evidence left behind.
If I said I got a dog you would take my word even though it’s not good evidence. If I told you I got a Komodo dragon you might not take my word but a picture would probly do. If I said I have a fire breathing dragon you wouldnt believe me unless you saw it in person. More extraordinary claims require stronger evidence to warrant belief. While it is true that an extraordinary thing may have happened you have no reason to believe it until it meets the burden of proof.
@tylerburton4657 a witness is good. Multiple eye witnesses with complimentary testimonies is better. And confirming witness accounts from multiple people that started out with a bias against you is as close to rock solid as you can get without witnessing everything yourself.
@@tincan0913
if all the witnesses to a crime are the criminal's friends, it doesnt really matter, does it?
@@gloriouspurpose_ no, but in this case they these witnesses were not his buddies.
One witness started out as one who rounded up Christians for interrogation and often execution.
Two other witnesses were half brothers that thought their brother was a crazy man for half of their lives.
You don't get multiple people with a bias in opposition to you turn around and suddenly be among your greatest allies without something relatively convincing causing it.
@@tincan0913
These were followers of the religion. That means they had something to gain from the religion succeeding.
People convert religions all the time. & people die for things all the time, including the People's Temple. Doesn't mean anything.
The atheist community is sad because every single building car book person literally everything we see has a beginning and a cause . The universe also has a beginning. Why do they deny the God narrative ? It’s not lack of evidence but pride . They cannot get around their pride. It’s sad 😢.
Buildings, cars, books are all man made. We have plenty of evidence for that. Humans come from natural reproduction. Very well understood. Lots of evidence. The universe has a beginning. We know this from the big bang theory. Based on evidence, observations and predictions. We deny the "god narrative" because there no evidence gods exist, so using a made up idea as an explanation is fallacious. It's an example of the argument from ignorance/incredulity. I guess on some level it is a matter of pride. I have too much self respect and pride, evidence, logic, and reason that I can not believe gods exist any more than you can believe unicorns exist. It's sad that your delusion and belief in the supernatural convinced you to accept claims without evidence
I see you aren’t able to honest and accurate about things or don’t actually understand the things you speak of.
@@therick363Your reply doesn't make any sense. Is English your second language?
@@driftforlife8436 so the “be” is missing. Pretty easy to pick up on that part. As for the rest, yes it makes sense. What are you confused on?
@@therick363 Good job
Ask this simple question what exactly does matt disagree with Jesus about? He will have no answer as all must proclaim Christ is king. We only fall short of his glory but he's right the truth and the way.
I think he will disagree that he is divine
@Era-lk1lo that is, of course, a funny thing to dislike about a teaching. He isn't a liar he called himself God all.his other teachings are perfect. I believe him if you don't I pray for you.
To Matt, and all atheists, unbelievers if you are serious about getting to know if God is real. When you are alone. Ask the true God who created the earth and everything in it if he is real. Ask him to show you. You will get an answer. Ask, ask, ask !!!!!
Next time there should be a “no coughing” rule. Was very rude and couldnt hear the debators clearly. And it seemed deliberately more when Matt’s talking as if the audience is doing it on purpose.
The belief in GOD is only rational if HE has chosen you.
John 15:16
“Ye have not chosen me, but I have chosen you, and ordained you, that ye should go and bring forth fruit, and that your fruit should remain: that whatsoever ye shall ask of the Father in my name, he may give it you.”
Preaching??😂
How convenient for you. lol 😆
Why are you using the word of god?
@@impuresinz1414 Why are you pretending there is a god for a book to be the word of?
"I realize that there are a lot of people who claim to have actual conversations with God, but the question I've always had for these people is what voices are talking to them when the Lord isn't on the line".
-Vincent Bugliosi-
If someone dies in the family of an Athiest they should not have the reason to mourn because their beliefs lead them nowhere.
huh?
you have got to be kidding me
@@floristfindspeace What's there to kid about? If there is no God, then there is no reason to mourn. If we are just a clump of cells that ultimately cease to exist the moment we die why does it matter if you grieve or not?
this makes no sense lol Wild animals mourn for their dead, without a belief in the Christian God. Why would humans need a god to feel emotions?
@@jeremeymack6473 my whole point is it doesn’t matter if you grieve or not if there is no God. If you ultimately cease to exist after you die why does it matter to feel anything at all?
Again, well said Matt!
He gets destroyed every time lol
@@thehermit2923😂 Exactly. I guess they were referring to how well he used English maybe.
My question is, why believe so emphatically that their is no god, and that nothing will happen after this life? Why is nothing happening greater than wanting to go to heaven? What is the point in Fighting so hard for things to be meaningless?
Bro is spittin facts
Exactly. Atheists are either irrational in that sense or just wicked
It's mostly about standing up against the very real harm caused by religions. Socially regressive ideas, the justification of atrocities, anti-scientific views, etc.
I'd rather believe in harsh truths than pleasant lies. If it's the case that God does not exist and that nothing comes after this life, then I want to live my life according to that because it's the truth. If you'd rather believe in a lie simply because it makes you feel good, okay, but I could never see eye to eye with that.
I also refer to everything the reply above me said.
Because wanting something to be true is not a reason to believe something. In fact, that's very childish. Instead, belief is based on evidence, critical thinking and logic and when something lacks these things you can't just make yourself believe it anyway when your brain is compelling you to reject it. Belief or lack of belief is not a choice.
The fellow Cliffe is debated talked for so long and literally said nothing. Nothing at all.
"I direct you toward Objectivism, the philosophy of Ayn Rand. In her system, she identifies the needs of men succinctly. She talks about individualism, productivity, a flourishing life, an exchange of physical and emotional values between men. Importantly, she provides reasoning to substantiate her claims."
-Anonymous- from an Objectivist forum
@ I studied ayn Rand in the past. I find her intriguing but not sure I agree with her on her view of altruism.
Thats all apologetics is. You'd think Jesus would come back just to tell everyone to shut up, if he were real.
Matts sound system was poor. This made it difficult to understand.
I had such a difficult time watching this. Matt seemed so smug and full of himself just trying to prove his point.
Lots of backtracking too from Matt. I’ll pray he finds the truth.
@@staceylmstar Matt ALWAYS comes across as smug, arrogant, condescending.
no doubt. he gave no real answers
I want to play Matt's word games too!!! Here we go:' I'm not saying that God Exists. I'm only saying that I don't believe that God doesn't exist!!!"
Matt Dillahunty must have a huge problem with Politics. Two different people look at the exact same politicians and have radically different takes on them. Matt Dillahunty wants CONSISTENCY. He pathologically rants about the Bible needing to be ' consistent '.
Cliffe says that he knows of people who survived death. This is a contradiction. The very definition of death is that you can't come back.
We are given evidence but we do not notice these evidence for we look for bigger things to proof
"The conundrum...that either God can prevent evil but chooses not to, which means he is not all-good, or he wishes to prevent evil but cannot, which means he is not all-powerful...".
-Vincent Bugliosi-
@@BeefT-Sq That entire quote is a massive paradox on so many levels
@@BeefT-Sq that doesn't mean he's not all powerful just that the event is not a logical one. A lot of people conflate omnipotence with being about to do the illogical. Omni means all. Power or potence comes from the word porential. So God can perform all potentials. If God being Omni benevolent must maximize all goods that would also include goods that have contingent evils as a potential. For God to not create these goods or to take away these goods would be illogical considering his Omni benevolence. Meaning a word where God didn't make it possible for evils to exist lacks potentially. Which excludes it from being within all potentialities that a omnipotent being could produce.
@@DevInstincts On the evening of Nov. 1st 2023 just under a month after Israel was attacked, The angel of the Lord came upon me. My arms stretched apart, then together in prayer. I then fell to my knees and the glory of the Lord shone round about me. Immediately I was in the spirit: and, behold four beast, which were full of eyes who's color was like unto the day sky. Like the beast of Ezekiel which were round about the Throne. Before the Throne was a sea of glass like unto crystal, and He that sat upon the Throne was a great light like unto the sun but vastly brighter, and a rainbow shown round about the Throne. That great light is God, for God is light in absence of darkness. I began to plea, please take me Lord, please take me. My fiancee Emily heard a thud from the bedroom above the kitchen which alarmed her. She came downstairs to the livingroom adjacent to the kitchen which had a blanket covering the door. She could her me speaking in a language that wasn't like any known to man. For he that speaketh in a unknown tounge speaketh not to men but unto God. She then moved the blanket to reveal me on my knees face down with my feet crossed. In that same moments my vision ended. She hid herself behind the blanket, I then approached her and embraced her and told her what I had just witnessed.
@@mitslev4043Your imaginary friend is so weak that it can’t accomplish the supposed ‘good’ without the ‘evil’? That’s not omnipotence, that’s weak sauce.
It’s amazing how many excuses you have to make in order to maintain your childish belief in the invisible magic man in the sky.
Idk if i necessarily believe in God in the Christian view but i believe in a God forsure as well as after life.
Cliffe uses the most ridiculous and weak arguments for God's existence.
And his reliance on the Gospels is the weakest of all.
There Historically accurate
Him saying that finding a writing on sand and it cannot just evolve there is not a weak arguement. It is actually rational.
Where’s your evidence of a kaboom that can make rational people and order and design in the cosmos Mr or Ms AzimuthTao
@marlon8597 He wasn't saying evolution, he was saying that if you told him that the water made the writings in the sand it would be ridiculous because water couldn't do complicated intricate design only a human hand could write in sand which is an obvious reason it would be dumb to say
@@markzhao4588 SOME people are rational.
The evidence is evolution which wasn't just "kaboom" and you get people. It was a slow, billions of years process
Unlike the magic of the imaginary sky wizard.
That was idiotic, the way the host ended it
I definitely agree with Matt on not needing to use the supernatural to explain natural phenomenons. A few examples are sicknesses being cured by medicine or naturally, a fetus developing through natural causes, how rain/weather in general works naturally, and how societies change and evolve throughout time because of new ideas that come naturally. Did I say naturally enough?
Is the big bang natural?
@Justin-o7f6q The Big Bang is simply a mathematical model (theorem). It is theoretical, not natural.
@Justin-o7f6q In short, yes. We can both agree that cosmic background radiation can be traced back to a single point in the universe. But where you may disagree is if matter was formed due to a focused, unstable environment. Although we can't take a time machine to the beginning, both creationism and evolution both rely on the big bang, the only difference being that God either created the universe or not. From what I observed and studied in the world, there is no supernatural evidence that has been observed with 100% integrity. So, I believe the universe did arise from natural causes and not an extraordinary cause.
Yes but the rational explanation for the rational does not and should not remove the credits due to the supernatural. Just as how someone can grow a watermelon in a non artificial but specific way, it can be scientifically explained but it does not remove the credit due to he who made the circumstances that way. God of course is limitless and despite this analogy falling a bit short, when the analogy is viewed in a perspective where God is in charge, with all his power, the analogy does not fall short.
Where does watermelon come from?
If god has no beginning, how long did he hang out alone before deciding to create the universe?
@@kosardb God is outside of Time, and space.
@rosspittman2317 you pretend those words have meaning. Are you saying he's a 4 or 5 dimensional being capable of entering and exiting 3 dimensional space? Clarify your statements and use precise language....THEN we can have a productive conversation. This isn't that difficult. Why do Christians always pretend there's some mind exploding facts out there that we aren't capable of understanding?
@ because our minds can’t even comprehend the sheer size of the universe. Let alone the size of our sun compared to the planet we walk on. That’s not say we shouldn’t ask questions, and try to find answers to said questions, but the fact is, our brains are incapable of understanding the universe we live in. Saying God is outside of time, and space is not all that vague to understand.
you pretend those words have meaning. Are you saying God is a being capable of manifesting matter on a molecular scale in a space where no matter previously existed? Clarify your statements and use precise language....THEN we can have a productive conversation. This isn't that difficult. Why do you always pretend there's some mind exploding facts out there that we aren't capable of understanding?
My friends I know I can't get to everyone in the comment section but I am going to try my best! Ok so yes He (God) exists outside time we simply cannot comprehend because we don't go through time but it goes through us! And as we know time goes both ways forever so he existed forever before and he exists forever after. so simply our definition of time doesn't apply to God. Ok think of this, would you really like for God not to exist? Because I am trying to grasp exactly why atheists hate God so much. Because I think that those who deny him the most actually know he is real and just hate him for something that happened in your life in which case you yourself are denying yourself and are denying logic. you say you have so many facts as to why God isn't true, but all you guys say is stuff like, "their isn't logic or evidence to us proclaiming God" that isn't logical proof that God isn't real here give me one reason God isn't real!!!! I will pray for you guys thank you for reading!
Cliffe did a great job. He is a good preacher trying to save people from eternal damnation. I hope the atheist and other atheists out there change their ways because only through Jesus Christ, who is God, can they reach Heaven. If they don't reach out to Jesus Christ and repent and ask for forgiveness of their sins they will go to hell. Make your decision while you still have it.
We're still waiting on that proof.
@@etherealblacketernal2889 God don’t need to show you proof! But He has showed countless proof in 4000 years time for all the miracles and apparitions that have been done in His name. Also God came down to Earth to become flesh in Jesus to die for us arrogant and ignorant humans. But I know, in your atheist mind that isn’t proof right? If Jesus didn’t command us people of faith to pray for people like you and people of false religions I wouldn’t give a crap about you or any none believer I would say go to hell then, but I am a man of faith and care for all humanity. I highly doubt you can say the same.
@JohnFreemanfollowerofChrist I didn't insult you, so please, don't insult me. You don't know what I would do. You've essentially said you could give me the proof I ask for, but I would ignore it for some reason. I've ignored no evidence as I've been presented with none. I've been presented with assertions, arguments, and testimonials. None of that is sufficient evidence because none of it has anything to back it up.
You could ask me for evidence of something, and if I truly know the answer, I would give it to you and allow you yourself to ask questions or dismiss it. I wouldn't assert what you would do.
God himself won't come out and defend himself. Yet we're the crazy ones for not believing? Could you, at the least, humor me with supposed evidence?
@JohnFreemanfollowerofChrist I know you meant nothing by it lol, just give me a chance. As for the four gospels, there're still debates on if they were written by who they're supposed to be written by. Many debates about the language used and the style of writing. But even if we could credit them 110% that still only gets us to Jesus was a real person.
@JohnFreemanfollowerofChrist As for the dying for Jesus, thats meaningless. People die for their beliefs all the time. And just because they believed it, doesn't make it true. Islam has suicide bombers, Japan has/had people commit seppeku, a form of self destruction due to dishonor. Does that make their beliefs any more legitimate because they're willing to die for it? I personally don't think so.
The healed pastor, the healed leper, the 500 witnesses, there are zero references for any of them outside of their story anywhere else in history. None of them are named, none of them have any personal accounts that could even hint to who they are. And out of 500 witnesses, you would think atleast ONE would have recorded that they seen the resurrected Jesus.
New atheist's reasoning why we have morality scared me: SEROTONIN.
3:44 here cliff demonstrating that he has no knowledge of DNA outside a layman’s understanding.
Please explain it better then he did without putting anyone to sleep. Keep down to one paragraph if you could.
@@63grandsport11Nice comeback 😂 God bless you both ❤
@@blazeythedrummer "The only reason people who believe in Jesus and his miracles are not automatically classified as nuts is that we understand that they've heard these things described to them as being non-fiction since a very young age, and -- unlike the Santa Claus yarn -- their parents never disabused them of this, because those parents were similarly delusional. We also understand that the story dates from over 2000 years ago, perhaps even centuries before that, so the issue is not as obvious (I know, we're making excuses for ignorance here) as something like Scientology, which grew out of more recent fiction."
-Anonymous- from an Objectivist forum
Well it looks like Yu don't understand d.n.a. I'd Yu think it came about without intelligence.so you must be clueless and in need of some real schooling.l.o.l.
Well you just told me that you don’t understand DNA not that it’s a genetic code. But it would be impossible for 8 billion people on earth all have different DNA and even more importantly that every person that has ever lived all had there own DNA.
Is this a second half?
This is the full debate between each other for this event. They were asked a few questions by students after the debate.
Matt keeps trotting out the same tired wore out arguments for his senseless atheism.his arguments fall apart from close scrutiny. He doesn't believe in God but keeps fighting this God he doesn't think exists. Matt is a complete joke😅😅😅
Cliff is guilty of the same thing. The difference is Matt makes sense.
@@michaelgreenwell6355 Perhaps he believes that he was created from an image of a monkey!!!😀
Lol and Cliffe doesnt?! Hes using the same debunked bs people say 24/7 for ages. And yes he fights the idea of god because religious people wants to force the rest of us to live by their rules and in a way that they think is the correct one.
@@sulongenjop7436 "If there's any sensible question to answer, I believe that it is done via philosophy. Whatever it is that makes religion "religion" -- mystical claims to knowledge, a belief in the supernatural, etc. -- are mistaken. Whatever is left over that is good about religious institutions, including a sense of community, artistic inspiration, charitable organization, etc., is no less available to the secular and the rational."
-Anonymous- from an Objectivist forum
Actually that's false, Matt is wrong and always will be, because he uses personal experiences which some are good, but some are flawed, especially some from the very beginning. Kliff on the other hand uses not only personal, but historical, scientific, and biblical knowledge to back his statements and rationality. Rewatch the video, then get back to us.
whats the outro song?
Hello. I am an atheist. I define atheism as suspending any acknowledgment as to the reality of any particular god until sufficient credible evidence is presented. My position is that *_I currently have no good reason to acknowledge the reality of any god._*
And here is why I currently hold to such a position. Below are 11 facts I must consider when evaluating the claim made by certain theists that a particular god exists in reality. To be clear, these are not premises for any argument which _concludes_ there to be no gods. These are simply facts I must take into account when evaluating the verity of such a claim. If any of the following facts were to be contravened at a later time by evidence, experience, or sound argument, I would THEN have good reason to acknowledge such a reality.
1. I have never been presented with a functional definition of a god.
2. I personally have never observed a god.
3. I have never encountered any person who has claimed to have observed a god.
4. I know of no accounts of persons claiming to have observed a god that were willing or able to demonstrate or verify their observation for authenticity, accuracy, or validity.
5. I have never been presented with any _valid_ logical argument, which also introduced demonstrably true premises that lead deductively to an inevitable conclusion that a god(s) exists in reality.
6. Of the many logical syllogisms I have examined arguing for the reality of a god(s), I have found all to contain a formal or informal logical fallacy or a premise that can not be demonstrated to be true.
7. I have never observed a phenomenon in which the existence of a god was a necessary antecedent for the known or probable explanation for the causation of that phenomenon.
8. Several proposed (and generally accepted) explanations for observable phenomena that were previously based on the agency of a god(s), have subsequently been replaced with rational, natural explanations, each substantiated with evidence that excluded the agency of a god(s). I have never encountered _vice versa._
9. I have never knowingly experienced the presence of a god through intercession of angels, divine revelation, the miraculous act of divinity, or any occurrence of a supernatural event.
10. Every phenomenon that I have ever observed appears to have *_emerged_* from necessary and sufficient antecedents over time without exception. In other words, I have never observed a phenomenon (entity, process, object, event, process, substance, system, or being) that was created _ex nihilo_ - that is instantaneously came into existence by the solitary volition of a deity.
11. All claims of a supernatural or divine nature that I have been presented have either been refuted to my satisfaction or do not present as _falsifiable._
ALL of these facts lead me to the only rational conclusion that concurs with the realities I have been presented - and that is the fact that there is *_no good reason_* for me to acknowledge the reality of any particular god.
I have heard often that atheism is the denial of the Abrahamic god. But denial is the active rejection of a substantiated fact once credible evidence has been presented. Atheism is simply withholding such acknowledgment until sufficient credible evidence is introduced. *_It is natural, rational, and prudent to be skeptical of unsubstantiated claims, especially extraordinary ones._*
I welcome any cordial response. Peace.
You're not atheist then, you're agnostic
Well, do you want to believe? Most people aren't like Cliffe who go to many different places preaching, most often don't have as many opportunities to
share the word of God (or the evidence there of.)
If you want to, I recommend checking out a cloth called "The Shroud of Turin" and the hydrophobic sand at the bottom of the red sea. The sand is talked about when Moses parts the
Red Sea. There are also many prophecies that have been fulfilled from the bible. Look them up, dig deep. I cannot give you any as I am a baby christian and have not read that deep into the bible, and my understanding is little. I have my own routines, and I am not yet there to learning about and understanding the prophecies.
You also have to be willing to try, don't expect people to just come to you giving you evidence because most people will not.
Cliffe often uses the analogy of "something cannot be created from nothing, and order does not come from chaos" which is fair. As far as I know here on this world, everything comes from something, and often play into making another something. The world and nature are very intertwined with one another.
Romans 1:18-20 "For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who [a]suppress the truth in unrighteousness, 19 because what may be known of God is [b]manifest [c]in them, for God has shown it to them. 20 For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even His eternal power and [d]Godhead, so that they are without excuse"
what would you do if God Revealed Himself to you?
Seems like u dont know science well enough or haven't read the bible.
@@solidsaturn0327 I would have good reason to acknowledge its reality.
Greay debate by both the guys but cliffe just takes the w on this one
Only text in the Bible to prove God Exists is Malachi 3:10. Tithing. Giving 10% of what we currently earn and seeing the evidence that God will open the windows of Heaven and we will receive a blessing more than we can take in. It really works . Try jt and let me know if you get the same results! God Exists! Praise God from Whom all blessings flow! Give the Tithes and Offerings! God has blessed President Trump!
The only truth in the bible is the page numbers.
@@maylingng4107 The only truth in your godless worldview , is nothing. You can’t know anything to be true. Every thought or idea that you have is merely the results of some chemical reactions in your brain. Your brain is like can of coke. You open it and it fizzes from certain chemical reactions. The fizz is neither true or false, it just is. Your statement about truth in the Bible is nothing but a fizz in your brain. Apart from God you can’t know anything is true. You have no free will. You’re just spouting out a bunch of fizz.
Now, I’d urge you to stop hiding behind some non existing intellectual argument against God, and face the real reason you reject Him. You love your sin and don’t want to let go of it. Repent and believe in Christ. He died for sinners like you and me and stands ready to forgive.
Something is happening in iran many are leaving Islam for christianity facing possible imprisonment even death.
@@gospeljoy5713
Nobody wants to live in a totalitarian country under a religious tyranny.
There is no difference between Islamic and Christian theocracy. They both rule by force and terror.
@@yoursolutionforlife On the evening of Nov. 1st 2023 just under a month after Israel was attacked, The angel of the Lord came upon me. My arms stretched apart, then together in prayer. I then fell to my knees and the glory of the Lord shone round about me. Immediately I was in the spirit: and, behold four beast, which were full of eyes who's color was like unto the day sky. Like the beast of Ezekiel which were round about the Throne. Before the Throne was a sea of glass like unto crystal, and He that sat upon the Throne was a great light like unto the sun but vastly brighter, and a rainbow shown round about the Throne. That great light is God, for God is light in absence of darkness. I began to plea, please take me Lord, please take me. My fiancee Emily heard a thud from the bedroom above the kitchen which alarmed her. She came downstairs to the livingroom adjacent to the kitchen which had a blanket covering the door. She could her me speaking in a language that wasn't like any known to man. For he that speaketh in a unknown tounge speaketh not to men but unto God. She then moved the blanket to reveal me on my knees face down with my feet crossed. In that same moments my vision ended. She hid herself behind the blanket, I then approached her and embraced her and told her what I had just witnessed.
John 3:19-20
19And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.
20For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved.
I really tried to be open minded, and I listened to the christian guy make several points at the beginning, every one of which is easily toppled as evidence for God as he imagines it. I would love to just talk to him and see how he would discuss my objections. I've looked everywhere online and there just aren't any good arguments left. It's enough to persuade most people, but that's all.
His points were clear, and if you watched the whole video Cliff had to keep asking him the same question cause he couldn’t get a direct answer.
@littlefire6603 I can try again, but I have to estimate early on if there is anything to gain. The problem is every argument he laid out at the beginning is simply wrong or doesn't prove or give evidence to a God of the Christian sort. I can go through all of them, but I'll provide one example. He uses the standard watchmaker argument, and argues that complex beings must have been designed, contrasting that to a hurricane running though a pile of steel to generate a car. He must know that is not the scientific argument at all for evolution, and that there is a very specific logical process that results in natural selection, which (like intelligent design) can result in complex structures. Nobody is making the claim that we randomly assembled like this and he must know that if he does these debates a lot. It seems more like he's trying to get people to see the science as stupid and instead of arguing honestly against the theory, he argued against something nonsensical that no rational person could believe. It just doesn't seem from the beginning that he's going in with an honest discussion mindset.
@@Elitecataphract
Cliffe has zero education in science. That does not stop him to preach against evolution, which we know to be a FACT. There is not a single science organization on the face of the earth that rejects evolution. But Cliffe mouths his ignorance, and pretends to know more than a million+ PhD biologists.
@@Elitecataphract There is no good argument for God that I know, only my experience today which healed me. I do not believe people are punished for not experiencing the love of God, but I hope you will experience it.
@@littlefire6603 if you watch the majority if not all high level debating atheists they never provide a direct answer or any evidence expecially to something they make a absolute claim against. They either deflect, attack the belief, play like God owes then something, rabble or lean back to spewing hate to untrue claimed christian who they know did something wrong but never providing evidence to this person being a true christian or showing that this so called christian met the standard of a christian as set by Christ and his word. And for most there only argument is you the christian have to prove to me with the evidence that I want and am only willing to unbiasely except only if it meets my assumed method of demand lol as if they are judges, lawyers, or they are the form of justice who decides what is exceptible lol. Or they try to degrade the other. Facts are they are not willing to review any evidence unless it fits there presupossitions or bias. Facts are also that you can't claim something doesn't exist because you don't like the idea, or don't want it to. You also have to provide evidence to show it doesn't not your opinion but they evade by saying you must provide there desired proof when nothing for most of them would be sufficient based on what they can view, observe, or hear which is what most science they claim to support is predicated on.. science never said planets didn't exist because they had never seen one, they never denied galaxies in innumerable count because they hadn't physically seen it they never denied black holes or dark matter they reviewed the possible evidences and then waited to see for theirselves.. once and for all to decide the reality of it.. assumptions, equations and theories just were not enough.. theories and assumption don't equal evidence.. otherwise these things would be laws of fact... I've never seen a live space bacteria from let's say a astroid so based on this am I given grounds and authority to say they don't exist even though some claim there is evidence of course but this alone does not make my bias opinion true or accurate why because I've not seeked out or reviewed the evidence then I've because of presuppostion and bias simply said you saw it I didn't lol no.
When - evidence -- doesn't comport with Matt's atheistic worldview ( Jesus Christ ). He either needs MORE evidence, direct, substantiated, corroborated, verified, dated and
signed by the participants, and have Israelie songs, transcribed in the dead sea scrolls, sung at each rising of the sun. ..... To know God. He WAS a preacher ... once.
@@ivankastelic2075 agree what he says does not make sense
@@Lpa466 What didn’t make sense to you? I’d be happy to explain it to you.
"I have trouble with the whole concept of prayer, in which literally billions of people throughout history have begged God for mercy. But since God is supposed to be all-good and merciful, why would we have to beg him to be what he supposedly already is ?"
-Vincent Bugliosi-
@@BeefT-Sq Prayer is another form of meditation. The God of Mercy ?? Pain // suffering is a reality for all creatures. Human's imposing suffering on the
world, is a question unto itself. All creatures have beginnings // and ends. Atheists believe = NO god// No ultimate meaning. God = love + end to suffering.
When - evidence - doesn’t comport with Matt’s atheistic worldview (Allah)….
See the problem with this line of reasoning now?
7:15. I blow it constantly ask my son lmao.
" Have I not delivered myself by mine own brain? Have I not been too strong for mine adversaries? "
-Arthur Desmond- 1890
the Bible shouldn’t be considered the best evidence of Jesus. People who believe in Jesus and do the things he’s claimed to have done and better still would be the best evidence. Where’s those examples? Enough arguments which are just evidence of carnal minds.
There is evidence for Jesus christ outside the Bible, you should look into it
" Do not say that you’re afraid to trust your mind because you know so little. Are you safer in surrendering to mystics and discarding the little that you know? Live and act within the limit of your knowledge and keep expanding it to the limit of your life."
-Anonymous- from an Objectivist forum
But yet in school we read and studied in textbooks to make sure we get an "A" on our grade.
@@spooked7772 what does that mean
@gloriouspurpose_ The individual above stated, " The Bible shouldn't be considered the best evidence of Jesus." If that's the case according to him, then shouldn't all books; even the the ones in your native land be reconsidered?
Why did this debate open with Knechtle marching around the stage like a crazed evangelist? Of course, that is exactly who he is. Most of his opening remarks are evidence of 4.5 bn year earth and evolution.
@@jimster7277 How did this earth evolve without interference from an intelligent Being?
You obviously didn’t listen😂 if the universe is 13 billion years old who created this universe because nothing doesn’t just cause explosions of space and time,
as least I don’t think they do.
@@SirFergusTheGreat God is not just over 13B yrs old. His age is infinite....not 26B or 52B or 1O4B and so on. God is no beginning and ending.
@@sulongenjop7436 yeah that’s my point how could god create the universe if he was created at the same time ? I was replying to the original comment
@@SirFergusTheGreat If God was created then who created God?
When a believer says things are rational or irrational to assert his point then you leave hm alone becaus he is lying.
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Can I also do it? My life is facing lots of challenges lately.
- Be not DECEIVED, you're not born again if you walk in darkness. I.e willful sin.
- Titus 2-11-15
11 For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men,
12 Teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world;
13 Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ;
14 Who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify unto himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works.
15 These things speak, and exhort, and rebuke with all authority. Let no man despise thee.
- Ephesians 5:2-11 kjv
2 And walk in love, as Christ also hath loved us, and hath given himself for us an offering and a sacrifice to God for a sweetsmelling savour.
3 But fornication, and all uncleanness, or covetousness, let it not be once named among you, as becometh saints;
4 Neither filthiness, nor foolish talking, nor jesting, which are not convenient: but rather giving of thanks.
5 For this ye know, that no whoremonger, nor unclean person, nor covetous man, who is an idolater, hath any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God.
6 Let no man deceive you with vain words: for because of these things cometh the wrath of God upon the children of disobedience.
7 Be not ye therefore partakers with them.
8 For ye were sometimes darkness, but now are ye light in the Lord: walk as children of light:
9 (For the fruit of the Spirit is in all goodness and righteousness and truth;)
10 Proving what is acceptable unto the Lord.
11 And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them.
This is what it means to LOVE --1 John 5 King James Version.
5 Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: and every one that loveth him that begat loveth him also that is begotten of him.
2 By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments.
3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.
4 For whatsoever is born of God overcometh the world: and this is the victory that overcometh the world, even our faith.
5 Who is he that overcometh the world, but he that believeth that Jesus is the Son of God?
- John 3:16-21
16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.
18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
19 And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.
20 For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved.
21 But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God.
- Peter 2:17-22
17 These are wells without water, clouds that are carried with a tempest; to whom the mist of darkness is reserved for ever.
18 For when they speak great swelling words of vanity, they allure through the lusts of the flesh, through much wantonness, those that were clean escaped from them who live in error.
19 While they promise them liberty, they themselves are the servants of corruption: for of whom a man is overcome, of the same is he brought in bondage.
20 For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning.
21 For it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, after they have known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered unto them.
22 But it is happened unto them according to the true proverb, The dog is turned to his own vomit again; and the sow that was washed to her wallowing in the mire.
- 2 Thessalonians 2:10-13 KJV
And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.
13 But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth .
- Woe, woe, woe to the inhabiters of the EARTH DO NOT take any so called disease vVaAxX/ mRNA /mark of the BEAST.
- For it is the Abomination of Desolation giving seat to the antichrist in the temple of God.
- World Health Organization is that serpent whom was given power to make war with the saints.
And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven.
BEWARE-----Global Health and Peace Initiative treaty / Digital Health Vaccine Certification ID-------BEWARE
- BEWARE- UN "Pact for the Future" BEWARE-
- IT HAS ALREADY BEGUN
- 1 Corinthians 3:17-18 King James Version (KJV)
17 If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy, which temple ye are.
18 Let no man DECEIVE himself. If any man among you seemeth to be wise in this world, let him become a fool, that he may be wise.
19 For the wisdom of this world is foolishness with God. For it is written, He taketh the wise in their own craftiness.
- 1 Thessalonians 5
3 For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape.
- Can you be DECEIVED into taking the MARK of the beast ? = YES
- Revelation 19:20
20 And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he DECEIVED them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.
- Matthew 24:15
When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:)
- Revelation 13:14
- 14 And DECEIVETH them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live.
- Revelation 14:11
And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.
There is no pre-tribulation rapture.
Wow, Matt absolutely demolished Cliffe’s argument. Why would you post this? Matt’s literal job is to make fools of theists on his call in show.
Interesting post, how did Matt demolish Cliffe’s argument, considering how Matt could not clearly answer straight forwardly Cliffe’s question except dodging it?
Matt's literal job is to make fools of atheists on his call in show, because that's all his call in show accomplishes. It shows just how clueless atheists are.
@@robinrobyn1714 you sound salty
@@gloriouspurpose_ Grimknight does sound salty, his comments.
@@robinrobyn1714 *you*
Cliffe clearly is unaware that eye witness testimony is very unreliable and is the leading cause of wrongful convictions. Apart from intentionally lying for various reasons, it can also be unintentional due to how human memory works. Its not like a video playing back exactly the same each time you recall a memory, instead, each time you recall a memory it gets distorted. You can test this phenomena by playing the telephone game, with each person in a circle that has to recall what someone just told them and relay it to the next person, and by the time it gets to the last person, its completely different from the original story. So you can certainly see how in ancient times it was quite easy for myths to develop with oral tradition, and how anyone could put their faith in this stuff is mind blowing.
Based on this logic, we ought to just toss away any ancient documents about any individual because every historical figure had their own stories written down and in fact are less reliable due to the lack of documents compared to Jesus and the time span between when they were written. An example is that Alexander the Great's earliest written document comes hundreds of years after his death and with Jesus, the earliest document is about 30-ish years after His resurrection.
Eye witness testimony is like a double-edged sword, it can be equally reliable as it is unreliable and it depends on how consistent the testimonies are and if they ever alter. Interestingly enough, the eyewitnesses who SAW (keep that in mind) Jesus' resurrection, also died defending they saw Him and truly is God. The common consensus is that no one defends what they know is a lie, so an example is the Watergate Scandal where people were told to keep a secret and share inaccurate information, those people very soon spilt the beans and exposed the lies. With the disciples, if they manufactured this lie or even just saw a man who looked similar to Jesus and mistaken that man as Him, they wouldn't have kept that lie going for forty years while undergoing imprisonment, torture, and eventually a cruel death.
The telephone game is a good example of how a story can warp but we have thousands upon thousands of ancient manuscripts that talk about Jesus and analyzing these manuscripts, it maintains the consistency of the divinity of Jesus Christ, so applying the telephone game to the story of Jesus doesn't quite work because the documents would have notable differences which there are none.
The conclusion here is that Jesus is the most well documented historical figure, the Bible is the most well preserved and well written collection of books ever recorded, and the legitimacy of Jesus' divinity is trust worthy and dependable.
I'm no longer a Christian... Thank you Matt for leading me to the truth.
I hope one day the holy spirt might lead you back, but I hope you are doing good anyway 👍
Cliffe 😂❤ is wrong. Spontaneous particle decay by definition has no cause, creating a chain reaction going "boom". Causeless bang. Schroedenger 😂❤
isn't that a function of time?
@favorola5652 no because it's not predictable it's probabilistic. It's the basis of quantum mechanics because it defies X = X and linear causality
@favorola5652 hence the 1/2 life, technically the full life is eternity
False, i have seen the throne of God. God is real.
On the evening of Nov. 1st 2023 just under a month after Israel was attacked, The angel of the Lord came upon me. My arms stretched apart, then together in prayer. I then fell to my knees and the glory of the Lord shone round about me. Immediately I was in the spirit: and, behold four beast, which were full of eyes who's color was like unto the day sky. Like the beast of Ezekiel which were round about the Throne. Before the Throne was a sea of glass like unto crystal, and He that sat upon the Throne was a great light like unto the sun but vastly brighter, and a rainbow shown round about the Throne. That great light is God, for God is light in absence of darkness. I began to plea, please take me Lord, please take me. My fiancee Emily heard a thud from the bedroom above the kitchen which alarmed her. She came downstairs to the livingroom adjacent to the kitchen which had a blanket covering the door. She could her me speaking in a language that wasn't like any known to man. For he that speaketh in a unknown tounge speaketh not to men but unto God. She then moved the blanket to reveal me on my knees face down with my feet crossed. In that same moments my vision ended. She hid herself behind the blanket, I then approached her and embraced her and told her what I had just witnessed.
@@St.MichaeltheArchangel-MTM7655 oh ya? Was he in a secret place or a dark room, false prophet much?
Oh my there is no god
damn you're even worse than matt
There is a god
@Adventure_outdoors16 prove it
@Adventure_outdoors16prove it
@ELDIARIOBOXER you prove to me that we came from the big bang
I love how Matt reads off his laptop and cliff walks around and talks
Because he doesn't have to memorize arguments he knows them by heart 😂
Zero evidence for god presented here yet again.
Evidence, yes! You just need your eyes. Proof, no! We cant prove anything.
@@marccosta8806 And what evidence did he or you provide to show a god is real?
@@albaraka7519did you even watch the video?
@@marccosta8806 "To the question of whether I believe in God, if we were in court I'd object on the ground that the question assumes a fact not in evidence."
-Vincent Bugliosi-
@albaraka7519 I think its quite obvious. Creation itself is proof. Nothing comes from nothing.
400 years of slavery of the Africans were done by christians, the Holocaust against the jews, gays were done by christians, colonization of the east were done by christians, two world wars started by christians. Christinity spread by blood and sword. Forceful conversation of people of other faith were done by christians. This shows how peaceful christanity is.
Those who claim to be "Christians" and commit violence against others are not true followers of Jesus and you ought to be intellectually honest enough to recognize that just because some Muslims are terrorists does not discount Islam as a religion on its own or its potential truth. Also, pretty racist of you to suggest that Black people are too stupid to believe in Christ of their own free will and were just colonized into believing in it. The greatest acts of horror and murder have been committed by Atheists. Hitler, as you mentioned, was not a Christian but a self proclaimed atheist and he killed 6 million Jews. Mao Zedog, atheist, killed 80 million people. Joseph Stalin, atheist, 6.5 million, Vladimir Lenin, 61 million. Please do your research before spouting nonsense
Another thing, WWI and WWII were not started by any one person, each war was started by various hits and assassinations against other countries by differing people and governments, each with a different agenda so your argument there holds no weight.
they werent actually christians
@@lizewilcox9898 world War 1 and world War 2 was started by both Christian capitalist country.
There have been "Christians" who justified enslaving other races but it were Christians who sought to abolish slavery. It is historically known that the Bible was tampered with and edited as a way to promote to slaves that slavery is good. Christians are bad but they are no different from any other kind of person. Don't blame the Bible for something man had done.
With the holocaust, it wasn't Christians that promoted it to begin with. Hitler was not a Christian and in fact hated Christianity almost as much as jews and even said that Christians were just jews in disguise. It is more accurate to say that it was Darwinism that caused the holocaust because Hitler was inspired with the idea of superior races which he in fact promoted. The World Wars were not started because of religion like Christianity.
As for colonization, we can once again turn to the individuals who clearly didn't follow scriptural teachings, so you are repeating yourself by using the same generalizing argument that because people who claim to be Christians did bad things, Christianity must be evil. Clearly you lack the comprehension to understand the sinful natures of man do not equal to what the Bible teaches.
Matt dragged him!
In your dreams
@@blazeythedrummer "...watching the United States become increasingly influenced by Christ-centered politics troubles me. The dystopian future depicted in Atlas Shrugged becomes more easily imaginable. And it is for this reason that I dread the fact that so few people I've met have ever even heard of Ayn Rand, let alone have enough understanding of her work to make a judgement about it."
-Anonymous- from an Objectivist forum
You think so? I thought Matt was stuttering, lacked confidence, couldn't answer questions and relied on the crowds laughter. I think you're being dishonest
Nah i wouldnt say that, the fool was sitting down and cannot speak without looking at his little laptop. He would be stuttering.
According to cliff the way u understand the bible is to read it and discern for yourself .thats not what the bible teaches .proverbs 3:5 .this scripture is the reason why there are religious leaders leading the masses down a flawed interpretation and epistemology .
Cliffe is what happens when someone believes everything they read.
You, respectfully, are what happens when you believe a claim against someone without further information.
Ridiculous assertion. I have attempted to discredit the Bible for decades. I would never subject myself to belief in something as foolish as belief in a dead and vulnerable savior. He's not dead. That's the point. He's alive. Everyone who has actually read scripture and poured over the evidence knows it's true. Dumb atheists complain about things they haven't invested any time in investigating.
@@rmartin70 Nah he actually said He uses Ways to determine if a historical text is accurate, rmartin ur the result of not watching everything inside a video
Wow. There's the most intelligent statement in the comment section. Way to think deep bro. You ever consider getting into far left politics?
@ im only 16 lol
Many become irrational. In any beliefs
I rational in beliefs.. including you of course.yes you being irrational
@michaelgreenwell6355 it's a fact many religious people do become irrational. Yes we can become that way if we become obsessed for finding the ultimate truth.
@@michaelgreenwell6355 "Beware of fattened priestlings and tax-collecting statesmen! "
-Arthur Desmond- 1890
Yawn... same tired old nonsense from Cliffe. I really don't know why Matt bothers.
Then why watch the debate? Part of you knows that there is something out there besides us OR you are searching for an answer you can rationalize in your own head. Sometimes a leap of faith is what it takes to start and then begin finding the answers.
You should ask why Cliffe accepted to debate someone that the bible called a fool in Matt.
You love watching Cliffe
@@trommelbiel😂 exactly
@@mirandahotspring4019 where does Cliffe’s argument fall short?
I do not submit or capitulate to the broken theology of Abraham. The actual ONE TRUE CREATOR is a perfect CREATOR.
*There is no Sin, for there is no true seperation or disunity within CREATION.
*There is no Sin, For FREE WILL & KNOWLEDGE are a pre-requisite for supreme consciousness.
*There is NO SIN, for the actual ONE TRUE CREATOR is intrinsically interwoven into every quanta of CREATION.
* It is impossible for a CREATION to be seperate from the actual ONE TRUE CREATOR, for HE IS A PERFECT CREATOR, & produces perfect CREATIONS.
41:05 Matt should have said, "Why would a God who demands we believe in this boom come down to tell us _what to believe about this book_ ?"
The Buddhist Sutras are marked up with little indicators to help readers distinguish between when the text is intended to be read lieterally/commonly, metaphorically, or if the meaning was unclear-this marking up process gets very precise; down to telling the reader which individual words themselves are meant to be taken each way.
And there are multiple traditions of these interpretation markings-they conflict (as expected). But that's fine because Buddhism makes no claim that the sutras are inerrant-they are just provisional truths to help us understand the world outside of the sutras-nothing more.
MY THEOLOGY is a reflection of me delving into my inner connection with the ONE TRUE CREATOR. I FOLLOW THIS CONNECTION, not any prescribed religion... though there are parallels to existing religions.
I was raised as loosly Pagan. Claimed "spiritual " for a long time, for lack of a better term. I see all dogmas as containing truth, as I see every word ever spoken as GODS WORD. But dogmas are ment to be stepping stones to Divinity... not Chains for Divinity.
I've not liked the "Spiritual" label.... not accurate enough. I realized that I do believe in the CONSTRUCT of the ONE TRUE CREATOR.... I just don't agree with the limitations imposed on him through Abrahamic theology. Which is why I now claim, "Non-Abrahamic, TRUE MONOTHEIST "....
I emphasize "TRUE MONOTHEIST " BECAUSE I SEE MOST FOLLOWERS OF ABRAHAM AS NOT TRUE MONOTHEIST.
Most followers of Abraham believe in 2 diametrically opposed kingdoms within CREATION... each under diametrically opposed rulers.... this is not TRUE MONOTHEISM. I call it, DUALISTIC BI-THEISM.
Followers of Abraham emphasize Seperation & Division within CREATION... WHERE I EMPHASIZE THE UNITY OF CREATION.
If Seperation & Division are REAL...
THEN SO ARE SIN, DEVIL & HELL...
BUT, ALSO.... IF NON-UNITY (Seperation & Division) are real, then this invalidates the very assertion of the CONSTRUCT of the ONE TRUE CREATOR.
Which would u rather have? Unity or Non-Unity? If UNITY IS the underlying characteristic of CREATION (& THUS, GOD), then the Seperation which Abrahamic theology insists upon is impossible.... this is why I call Abrahamic theology "BROKEN".... SO close, but so far away.
If NON-UNITY is REAL, then there is no ONE TRUE CREATOR. if UNITY is REAL, then there is no HELL OR DEVIL.... FOR ALL THINGS ARE HIS.
the moment u try to name the ONE TRUE CREATOR, U THEN SEPERATE HIM FROM EVERY OTHER NAME, & limit HIM.
EVERY NAME IS HIS.... For a name is the delineation of an INDIVIDUAL.....
THE ONE TRUE CREATOR IS THE PRIMORDIAL, PENULTIMATE INDIVIDUAL FROM WHICH EVERY OTHER INDIVIDUAL FLOWS.
HE IS THE SOURCE OF INDIVIDUALITY.
WHICH ENABLES THE INFINITE PROLIFERATION OF INDIVIDUALITY WITHIN CREATION.
The one thing Matt isn't aware of due to his choice of not believing and having blind eyes, is that healing isn't something of the past. He said you need extra ordinary things to happen. They still happen. People still get healed. Cancer dissappears without treatment.
I think God healed me today. I don't even quite know what that means yet, but I do know that it has filled me with love -- including for Matt. I don't understand the negativity towards him. Seek to understand. It is not your place to judge him.
Amen
If Yahweh made man....
In his image, w his heart....
& Yahweh breaks his own commandments...
Then by virtue of perfect CREATION, not only should Yahweh NOT punish his creation for breaking his commandments, HE SHOULD EXPECT & rejoice in his CREATIONS breaking his commandments.... because what is good for the FATHER is good for the SON.
OTHERWISE, Yahweh proves himself to NOT BE the ONE TRUE CREATOR.
Yahweh can break his law all he wants... but at the moment he does, he proves that this law is not ABSOLUTE or objective.
Yahweh breaking his own law proves he is not the ONE TRUE CREATOR.
The ONE TRUE CREATOR has the power to enact his will w out breaking his own laws.
The ONE TRUE CREATOR is the primordial source of intellect & wisdom and would lead by example, not by hypocrisy.
The commandments break themselves. "Thou shall not kill"... yet the "punishment" for breaking the commandments is to be killed. 😂😂😂 tell me again how there is no contradiction in the Bible. ❤
The ONE TRUE CREATOR has no need to make commandments. I realize that you have relinquished your divine sovereignty unto the theology of Abraham... and you would like to see me do the same to justify your decision. But I retain my divine sovereignty as I declare that ALL creations have direct access to the ONE TRUE CREATOR.
ALL words are God's words. For there is no sound uttered without the empowerment of the breath of life from the CREATOR.
ANY sentient being which makes demands or commands proves themselves to NOT BE the ONE TRUE CREATOR. for the ONE TRUE CREATOR has the power of CREATION.... & with such, has no need of demands.
Creation is the expression of pure freedom. The ONE TRUE CREATOR would not place artifical limits, such as arbitrary demands externally... he would build those limits into the structure of CREATION ITSELF, such as the "speed of light".
Yahweh is not the ONE TRUE CREATOR. IT IS NOT HIS CREATION.
The Actual ONE TRUE CREATOR has nothing to be vengeful or jealous of, for ALL THINGS ARE HIS. That Yahweh is jealous & vengeful is more proof that he is NOT the ONE TRUE CREATOR.
JESUS spoke out against the broken Theology of Abraham, and his followers killed him for it. They could not eradicate his story, so they integrated it into their dogmas in order to manipulate the masses into relinquishing their DIVINE SOVEREIGNTY unto the church.
I do believe in the Christ Consciousness. But I do not capitulate to distortions of it imposed by Followers of Abraham. And my perception of Christ does not require the approval or validation of your perception... just as your perception does not require the validation of mine.
The actual ONE TRUE CREATOR requires NOTHING FROM YOU. Every CREATION that we as CREATORS extend is a testament to HIS GREATNESS. CREATORS CREATING IS HIS WORSHIP, accepted. 😂😂😂
Cliffe is a great preacher. His expressions, mimics and contact with the audience is overwhelming. If I needed to convince someone about true facts, I´d like to have his abilities. And that´s the case about (Christian) religion. There is no evidence about God, Christ or anything like that, but he can make arguments, that are very convincing. I can see how that kind of people have been able to brainwash people to become religious, especially if it has started from childhood. I hope if you are one of those, you can set yourself free and start to think independently.
Thank you for your concern, but I will stick to believing in Christ. If I am right like many other christians, then I gain eternal life in heaven. If I am wrong, well, then I have nothing to lose and I wont even know I lost. It's not out of fear but out of gratefulness that I believe. You have a blessed day!
8:43 cliffe did nothing to prove gods existence. This was basically another boring sermon.
Can you explain the universe’s beginnings then?
@@blazeythedrummer "Now some might argue at this point that there is no reason that any religion should exist because science and philosophy can provide an understanding of the world without faith."
-Anonymous- from an Objectivist forum
@blazeythedrummer Big Bang? Lord vishnu? amon-ra? A simulation? Why does it have to be the Abrahamic god?
@@Christophercurtis22 not that it has to be the abraham God, although I do believe it is. The simple idea that creation is a thing and that life exists is enough to prove that a God exists. Everything has a cause even the universe. But the first cause of everything must be eternal otherwise it's an infinite regression of finite things causing eeach other. Simple it makes no sense because then we wouldn't have a start to begin with, if all requires a cause. But if you have a first cause that is eternal then that cause can cause the rest to happen. But for something to be eternal and cause the universe to be made it most be immensely powerful and intellegent to create laws and systems. So now we have a cause that is the first, it's powerfull enough to create things like a universe (you could say all powerful), infinitly intellegent to create laws and systems. Ding ding ding ding we just described God. Now you would go into which God and for that I reccomend reading about different relgions and their past history, listen to experts inside and out the religions. I found Christ in my life many things pointed to him the historical evidence. The prophesies, locations, events thagt ahppen in the bible being real, logically speaking, etc. I read about the islam, christinatity, buddism, and looked at others too. I found truths and values that varied in many but in Christ I found The Truth. I wish the best for you and that you seek more info.
Wow the evidence that Cliffe presents far far outweighs anything that Matt presents.
God promised that anyone who sincerely and honestly seeks Him WILL find Him. He will not be found of them who are scorners and mockers...
WTF? Cliffe presented no evidence. He presented data and has a hypothesis to explain that data, but zero evidence supporting the hypothesis.
You might need to pay more attention mate, evidence is different to proof, Cliffe clearly stated the evidence for God, if you don’t like the evidence, fine, but I wouldn’t recommend lying that no evidence was presented.
@ Then you should have no trouble citing a single shred of evidence your imaginary friends are real…but you won’t. You’ll come up with a million and one excuses not to, but you won’t cite actual evidence any supposed invisible magicians exist.
scorners and mockers will never find God because they don’t want to, they only want to dump on it, no amount of evidence or proof would make any difference because the scorners and mockers don’t want the truth, move on mate
@@ATONED_4 Excuse #1: “You won’t accept my supposed evidence.”
What’s your next excuse?
I do not believe God exists(/=) i believe God does not exist....i have an Associates Degree(2)...somebody tell me the difference between these two statements
Matt Dillahunty is the greatest proof that God exists.
How so?
@@Maksie0 His pathological fixation on God. He spends more time talking about God than many theists do, actually.
God causes love. Are you sure?
Cliffe starts with all the debunked arguments. There is no proof or evidence for god, just admit that is what you want.
Prove to me your mother loves you
Cliff must now believe in UFOs and aliens because there are a lot more witnesses.
Matt wiped the floor with Cliffe.
Debunked arguments do not and will not prove any gods, let alone his favorite christain god.
Why do you want to believe in God? Why you don't want to believe in God?
Because I don’t want to believe falsities.
@AsixA6 Do you mean that people who believe in God are believing in false entity???🤣🤣🤣
@ A falsity.
@@AsixA6 It will take sometimes for you to realize and accept the fact how the divine world has interfered with your life all these while!
@ It will take sometime for you to realize and accept the fact that the divine world doesn’t exist and therefore, has never interfered with your life all the while!
The only thing I would add is that science the fact to observe something points to God. The fact that we are not burning up or freezing due to where we are placed orbiting the sun affirms your first point that there is a creator. Praise God thank you Jesus
No it doesnt. It only points to we're placed in a position to not burn or not freeze. There's no evidence or even any rational reason to link god to anything UNTIL you've given evidence for god.
@@etherealblacketernal2889the whole idea that our universe has very specific and accurate numbers points to design, for example even an extremely small shift in the gravity”s strength would cause all stars to die. No one can 100% prove god like they can’t disprove god, based on what our world is like I think it’s very plausible to assume someoen designed this rather that it all just randomly happened. It is very hard to rationally say that everything we have started as nothing and this nothing randomly caused everything rather then saying that the universe which is proven to have a beginning was created by someone thing with the capablilies to design order. An example of this is the primordial soup. The theory claims that the first cell was created by a super specific unique mixture of elements and than a cosmic lighting strike hit this “soup” and caused it to create the first proteins. This theory is repeatable by humans in a lab. But this is the point, it is only reproduced when humans, an intelligent mind, interacted and design it. There whatsoever isn’t any evidence to prove this could even remotely happen randomly, therefore this primordial soup could be rationally explained by being designed. This whole god arguement isn’t about proof and gatchas but it’s about actually h thinking rationally about what our universe really is, and it’s farly more rational that an intelligent mind created it all rather than it’s all random and accidents
Science does not point to a god
@@SirFergusTheGreatabiogenesis is a hypothesis not a scientific theory
"Imprinted on all our coins and all our currency are the words, 'In God we trust'. But why ? What has God done to earn this trust ? "
-Vincent Bugliosi-
China and Japan are a verrrrry atheistic places. Why deny that, Cliff?
"Japan is a very atheistic place"
Bro what are you smoking😭
Maybe a very non-Abrahamic religion country, but not Atheistic.
Also China is a communist state, ofc its an atheistic place. Like, no shit sherlock.
@
“You do not find atheism in (….) Asia.” So, yeah, he denies that…
I find it absurd that 80% of the world population doesn’t believe in Christ and therefore will be sent to hell… according to a lot of Christians. Do you believe that?
Matt wants to believe.
bro.... Yahweh is like.... totally NOT the ONE TRUE CREATOR.... & I can prove it using logic. 😂 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😘
The actual ONE TRUE CREATOR Created ALL THINGS, & is intrinsically interwoven into all things... Therefore, to say that there is a CREATION that is SEPERATE from the CREATOR (as in Sin, Evil, Devil, Demon & Hell) is to say there is an imperfect CREATION.... WHICH, IF REAL, WOULD INVALIDATE the construct of the ONE TRUE CREATOR. For it is impossible for any CREATION to be seperate from the ONE TRUE CREATOR.
I know.... this is where u will want to "Demonize 😂 " FREE WILL & KNOWLEDGE" in order to bolster your claims for SEPERATION within your perception of the ONE TRUE CREATOR.
But free will & knowledge are a prerequisite for the complete freedom inherent within CREATION. FREE WILL & KNOWLEDGE are intrinsic properties of Consciousness.... this is Demonized by followers of Abraham, because FREE WILL & KNOWLEDGE leads ONE to see beyond the deceptions baked into their dogmas.
And all this is more proof that Yahweh can't possibly be the actual ONE TRUE CREATOR.
cliff was like the college students he preach to. He ask a short question and give Matt time to responnd.
"Personally, I think the biggest damage religion inflicts is on how a person thinks. The notion that someone is watching over you at all times has vast implications on inner thought -- problem solving, value choices, assigned importance on different life events, perceived self-efficacy, etc. etc. etc."
-Anonymous- from an Objectivist forum
1:19 cliffe having no knowledge of the Big Bang theory demonstrated perfectly.
Why? Do you think that the universe has not a beginning by any chance?
Please explain the Big Bang it he’s incorrect
Einstein discovered that the universe had an age. Meaning it has to have a beginning. What was before the universe? The answer is nothing. without space you can have nothing, there would be nowhere to put it. There has to be a god outside of space and time to create it, you can’t get something from nothing.
Einstein became a theist after his discovery.
Well u have to be honest he does have a very great point
"I do not believe that God exists," and "I believe God does not exist," are different claims? Can somebody explain the difference between these two statements to me 🤔
They are the same claim
@blazeythedrummer that's kind of what I thought...
I had to go back and replay that section of the video to make sure I heard Matt correctly on that quote.
@ glad I could help! God bless you and keep you and your family safe and away from the devil ✝︎❤️
“I do not believe that God exists” ---> “There could be a good out there but I see no evidence to believe that.”
“I believe god does not exist” ---> “I think there is no god out there”
@@Penndreic there is loads of evidence out there, from design to personal testimony to philosophical dilemma,, etc.
Now whether you draw a conclusion of God's existence or not is a different story.
And besides, with the order of the words in the sentence you cannot conclude whether there is evidence considered or not. It can be there in both instances, or be absent.
Cliffe won
How so?
Of course GOD is real 👦🏻
Cliff makes the mistake by saying God and Jesus existed on the basis of evidence. However his evidence is from a Story Book called the Bible
@@Richard-b5r9v You clearly have not spent any time reading it. What a ridiculous assertion.
Cliffe appears a little unhinged.
"Nobody uses faith when crossing the street".
-Unknown-
Wdym, he was fine
Cliff has little more than hyperbolic style of speech that seems to say, "clearly, what I'm saying is the truth because I'm saying it in this grand manner."
None of that is remotely convincing. He talks in circles and makes these grand illogical leaps.
Believing in religion is like consuming garbage 🤢🤮
These comments show me everyday on top of my day to day experiences with you fellow “humans” I understand why god wiped us out your insufferable, close minded, ignorant ppl. And the way ppl are so angry at God for YOUR DECISIONS. AND PPL MAKING THEIR OWN DECISIONS is ridiculous. God doesn’t force love he doesn’t want ur fake love he wants genuine love just like we all do. Wonder why we have the desire? 🤷🏽♀️💯 crazy the way ppl talk.
why is it that matt doesnt stand up and speak clearly and confidently? why does he read off a laptop screen and still continues to stutter? i believe that the connection with god alone gives you the light to happily speak about him and his teachings without any mistakes, weather it be from the holy spirit himself or a gaurdian angel.. you CANNOT disprove god but yet it's something you defend and refuse to accept.. jesus once "
For it would have been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, after they had known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered unto them. "
in the spiritual world angles are said to have been given the knowledge from the said time of creation, as us humans NEED to go seek the word of the holy spirit right? but what we have in common is after gaining that knowledge we are given a choice.. do we choose to go against the word of god or do we endure it.. amen
Because he is bullshtting and he is not confident in what he believes. Which is just a bunch of word salad and circle run arounds.
Get em, Matt.
Of course its rational if it''s actually true! Follow the evidence. Arguments based on scientific evidence such as the kalam, fine tuning, design argument, etc... Look at the philosophical argument from morality. Look at the historical evidence for the life, death, and resurrection of Jesus Christ.
Are you willing to answer a few straightforward questions concerning your comment?
@@TheoSkeptomai I’m sure someone would be willing to chime in
@Bible_Alive Thank you for championing the faith. The OP has encouraged we atheists to follow the evidence demonstrating the life, death, and resurrection of this Jesus. I have search for more than 35+ years to find a single evidentiary fact that goes toward demonstrating his historicity.
Are you aware of any such fact? If so, can you please state this evidentiary fact in a complete sentence for my consideration.
If you aware of more than one, present the first one for my consideration.
@@TheoSkeptomai To address the obvious, is the Bible not primary source evidence for the life of Jesus?
@Bible_Alive No. It is not. Have you ever read the Bible?
Cliffe is just like his Bible full of lies and BS and no proof or evidence 😅
What did he lie about
There is a very simple way to convince anyone including me about a divine Jesus (crucifixion and resurrection). All you have to do is to name a single eyewitness (other than the lies in the bible), an eyewitness, a writer or a historian who mentions one word about Jesus.
It is alleged that thousands of people including writers and historians witnessed Jesus.
So name one eyewitness, and we will all believe you!
Mohamed
Also Roman historian tacitus
@@puma_king428
Are you brain dead? I asked for an eyewitness.
Tacitus was born in 55 CE, Mohammad was born in 570 CE. How could they be eyewitnesses?
@1:03 Cliff "what is the evidence that god exists, first piece of evidence the big bang"
@17:06 Cliff "Science doesn't prove god exists
Best not use science then Cliff!
Religion is mythology
Just because you believe something doesn't make it true either Cliffe. You're not even trying to get in touch with what is real Cliffe.
@JohnFreemanfollowerofChrist Since you are flawed like you say you are, how can you claim a God? Why are you trying to convince when you said only a God can convince? You are flawed in your reasoning. There's no God that convince me of its existence. Maybe it was a flaw in your thinking that a God convinced you of its existence. We are not flawed as men because we are men. No need to reply because you said only God can convince.
@JohnFreemanfollowerofChrist Matt didn't claim that there is no God. He said he doesn't believe in the existence of a God. Belief is not a thing to make a claim of that needs evidence. A claim and a belief are two different things. Cliffe made a claim for which he needs evidence.
@JohnFreemanfollowerofChrist So you think that a God needs you to say God bless for it right? You have convinced me what rationality isn't. I wish you all the best, but also the ability to think critically and not make claims that you have no rational evidence to show for. It's about the same thing as lying. I just hope any claim or action you may make isn't detrimental to the truth or well-being of others.
@JohnFreemanfollowerofChrist I can tell it defies your logic and reasoning
Are you willing to answer a few straightforward questions concerning your comment?@JohnFreemanfollowerofChrist
Cliffe , just ranbles , that 1st point was so underwhelming
The undeniable evidence is coming. I recommend going the faith route during the church age. If you find yourself seeing the plagues and the Antichrist, it’s going to be harder to surrender to Jesus because even though you can’t deny it at that point, you will have to most likely be be-headed for your faith and that time period that is coming will be worse than all of human history!
I dont care what others choose to believe, but I know for a fact Jesus is God. There have been miracles in my life that have no rational explanation. God has kept every promise that He states in the bible to me. All it took was for me to open my heart and truly want to know the truth. Seek and you will find, knock and He will answer. If you are prideful or self righteous in your quest, you will fail. God bless all of you, may you come to know Jesus, because his love is unlike anything I've ever felt.
They had no rational explanation, so you picked an irrational one?
bald bros arguments were “i dont want to believe this so its not true”
Cliff says DNA is proof then says science can’t prove god🤔
science is manmade bullshit