_What does self evidence mean in the legal system?_ Two men are involved in a legal dispute and present the case to you (Judge). Party A claims he gave money to B as a loan. B denies. Non of them submitted any evidence. You are the judge and you are required to issue the verdict. What will be your decision and on what basis? B wins the argument. الأصل براءة الذمة. Free liability is a priori assumption.
_Quran A Guidance for Proper Reasoning_ There are two types of evidence: intellectual evidence or what is self-evident, and empirical evidence or evidence accessible through the senses. Quran endorses the following proofs: Evidence collectively plays key role in eliminating doubt: We observe the laws and elements necessary for life come together on our survival. Its impossible for them to collectively come together on our survival by accident. There is intentionality. Intelligent design: The fly design stunned scientists. Scientists marveled at the fly’s light engines and maneuvering techniques: They said: "from where did it get this creative intelligent concept in the first place?!!" Life entry and exit: Creatures come out to life from a state of inanimate matter and from a state of life to a state of dead. Developing similar biological life requires advanced technology. In a court of law, this is sufficient (Quantity) appropriate (Quality) proof of a supernatural power. Theist should win a court of law on the grounds of self-evidence. Atheist claim is dismissed. Our expectation is that this power must identify himself, claim ownership of the universe and clarify the purpose of life. In line with our expectation, Abraham’s God made that claim.
The Early Creation and Quran 21.30-31 In the name of Allah, Most Merciful and The All Merciful: 30-Have those who disbelieved not considered that the heavens and the earth were a joined entity, and We separated them and made out of water every living thing? Then will they not believe? 31- And We have set on the earth mountains standing firm, lest it should shake with them, and We have made therein broad highways to facilitate transportation. The Cosmos Proof: Allah is arguing that the Big Bang explosion should create chaos. Instead of producing chaos, Quran says that the Big Bang explosion ended up producing living things, order, life, laws, variation, sophistication, habitable world (mountains and geological plains), therefore, the existence of a creator is self-evident. Somebody must have stepped in. The creator identified himself, claimed ownership of the universe and clarified the purpose of life. Since only Abraham’s God made that claim, the creation belongs to him until somebody else claims partnership. [1] Research field: Astrochemistry. Theory of origin of life from nonliving matter. How did we cross from chemistry to biology?.
Quran in simple terms is a book which makes the claim "i created". He added proofs as follows: In Quran 21.30, God said heavens and the earth were a joint entity and we separated them. Joint entity was recently discovered and is referred to as ‘model of singularity’ which basically means that the entire universe existed as a singularity. Then, the big bang (separated them). God ordered the sky and Earth to come into being from smoke. 11-Then He directed Himself to the heaven while it was smoke and said to it and to the earth, "Come [into being], willingly or by compulsion." They said, "We have come willingly”. Scientists discovered the cosmic dust. It is not the same as the dust you find in your house but more like smoke. It is the raw material from which planets like the Earth are formed. Jesus miracles of sight ended with his death. Mohamed miracles didn't.
Comparing the existence of God case to proving a Santa Clause exist is incorrect. Why the comparison is incorrect? There is intentionality. Quran says reflect upon how the following elements of life come together collectively on our survival: • Nature had to figure out how to make rain a recurrent process. scientific term is water cycle • Rain water could have been bitter, salty, sour, carbonated etc. (nature was biased in its selection). • Water was preserved in the form of lakes and ponds and underground water. • Water sewerage system comes in whereby the rivers will transport the water to the sea. • A barrier prevents salty water from mixing with the river water. • You throw the inside of dates but in grains you eat the inside and throw the outside. • Color diversity is a recurrent feature in mountains, fruits, plants, people, and animals. Uncolored outcome in a random selection was entirely skipped. Applying the theory of probability, it cannot be other than a biased selection. • Seed evolved into diversity and variety Milk and meat were necessary for human evolution. Quran wants us to reflect: • Out of thousands of species that live in the wild, cattle live with us and were made 4 pairs. • The law of reproduction ensures sufficient quantity. • Since cow eats only grass, our expectation is that cow's milk should come out mixed with blood and waste and other excretions. Instead it comes out pure white liquid. • Leveled earth stunned geologists and they gave it the term 'plains'. Why leveled? To facilitate transportation in land. • Archimedes’ buoyancy law facilitates marine transportation. • [Newtons law of attraction] prevents the skies from falling. • Out of thousands of species that live in the wild, cattle live with us and were made 8 mates. • The law of reproduction ensures sufficient quantity. • We need stars to determine directions. • The sun rises and sets but the moon does not. • The moon changes shape but the sun does not. • We need to calculate time and, surprisingly, moon is an illuminating disc (lunar) that changes shape. it divides our calendar into 4 weeks by giving 4 primary shapes. • We need daylight to make a living and darkness to rest and, surprisingly, we find variation in the day light in a cycle of 1 day and daylight dims then turns off to be able to sleep well. Lecture by Al-Azhar school of theology scholar late Mohamed Metwally Al-Sharawy.
Caller seems to be a decent fellow, makes his pints and listens. Around 22:00, caller then proceeds to infer that most of the atrocities by Islamic nations were from Sunni territories and these Islamic “theocracies” aren’t really true Islamic theocracies. This shows the bias and misses the whole point the hosts were talking about; religious doctrine can lead to bad actions, especially if they can support the motion of a god. It can blind critical thinking
Wow! What a lovely caller! He was respectful, he made his points and didn’t try to talk over ya’ll and any answers you had for his questions..it must be refreshing as the hosts when someone like this pops up
We are not sinners because we sin, we sin because we are sinners. If a man says he has never done wrong/sinned he is a liar, and the truth is not in him. Pride is the cause of unbelief. Unbelief is the only reason a soul/person goes to hell. Rejection of the truth (Jesus Christ). Jesus Christ is the Lamb of God who takes away the sins of the world. God/Jesus Christ offers to all who believe (have faith) the gift of God - eternal life to know him. No religion needed. Just faith, faith plus nothing. The ones who reject the truth are the ones being lied to by the enemy of our souls - the devil (Satan).
@@tylerdyson8410 Because in my nearly four decades of living on this Earth I have yet to come across (either by finding, or by someone presenting) one single shred of credible evidence for any kind of deity.
My biggest argument is why are there even arguments at all? We only argue about things we don’t agree on. If gods existed there would be no arguments at all, right?
Wrong. There's only the IRREFUTABLE FACTS and the rebellion against them. There are so many brilliant people in the world and none of them are atheists. Atheists are aggressively foolish. The stupidity is vast. Atheists desperately believe in things nobody has ever seen (e.g. big bang, abiogenesis, mistakes (mutations) gaining in complexity/new information, new anatomy differing from ancestry/evolution) and they also desperately believe that in “natural processes” when NOTHING of nature can produce the human being (e.g. star dust, moist rocks, mud puddles, hot rocks, moon dirt, warm ponds, gravity, oceans, primordial soup, nothing). NOTHING of the asinine, lost & clueless atheist cult is POSSIBLE & NONE OF IT can be EMPIRICALLY OBSERVED IN REAL TIME (e.g. multiverse, big bang, abiogenesis, mistakes (mutations) gaining in complexity/new information, evolution). NOTHING but TRUE NATURE can be EMPIRICALLY OBSERVED IN REAL TIME (e.g. flower bloom, reproduction, photosynthesis, digestion, respiration, top down production, gravity, sunshine). THAT is the litmus test for true reality regarding the truth (God, Creation, The Bible). When we follow the evidence there is no new anatomy/evolution. By that fact, I can predict that all human offspring on the entire earth from this moment on, will only have the same anatomy as the entirety of their ancestry. All these IRREFUTABLE FACTS totally destroy every facet of the asinine, lost & clueless atheist cult that's been debunked for centuries and remains totally debunked today in every detail that's tested, measured & observed in REAL TIME by the Scientific Method.
@@neverendingparty7741 You can observe gravity. There is a vacuum chamber in which a light feather and a heavy bowling ball are being dropped at exactly the same time and both fall down as if they weigh the same.
@@tonyclements1147 OH MAN! LOL! YOU COULDN'T BE MORE SPOT ON! LOL! A MUD PUDDLE DID IT! LOL! Clearly, it was a mud puddle (or star dust?) that came from nothing by nothing to do nothing and be nothing & produced the first cell with systems within to eat, digest food, eliminate waste, move, breathe & reproduce, NOT TO MENTION that FIRST CELL contained the DNA blueprints for 9 million DIFFERENT species of life, the human being and 300,000 DIFFERENT plants. NAH! It didn't take a God to do that :) MOON DIRT DID IT! LOL!! THAT is the bald face stupidity of atheism UNLESS of course, you have a better atheist explanation for reality. I'll be glad to hear it, but we both know you don't. And that means you're the very definition of being "lost & clueless" when it comes to reality. God is real and EVERYTHING we observe (e.g. life, intelligence, love, consciousness, morality) is only explained by an INFINITE CAUSE that has the intelligence, power, purpose, resources & means that are FAR BEYOND that of mankind. We call him “OUR INFINITE/ETERNAL/SUPERNATURAL GOD and there is no other option. That's why no atheist has a rational/possible, step-by-step atheist explanation for reality. That's because there isn't one. Try to learn what I'm teaching you before it's too late (when your temporary free will expires at your last gasp on earth and you go to an eternal hell - wishing you had never been born). For now, you and your asinine, lost & clueless cult of atheism is hereby debunked (e.g. multiverse, big bang, abiogenesis, mistakes (mutations) gaining in complexity/new information, transitional new anatomy/evolution).
When Forest said believing in “silly things “that reminded me of Monty Python and Graham Chapman when he would interrupt a skit dressed as a Officer saying “all right then, that’s enough, this has gotten too silly. “ it tickled me.
@@jjpopnfresh6822 Man, I'd love that, but these "Atheist" echo chambers have had the same script since like 1996. Not a single original argument since the dawn of the internet.
You've gotta love 'I don't believe in Santa Claus because there's no evidence', while fervently defending their silly old book as something revelatory. What horse hockey. 🇦🇺😀👍
@@blackfly56 I just saw the Tooth Fairy, and they told me to ask you for your bank account number so that they can direct deposit the money that they owe you. 🤑
Absolutely! The Tooth Fairy is the thin edge of depravity! One day it's selling a tooth for a dollar, next day its killing kids for their kidneys for the illegal market in body parts!
Unlike the myth ofJesus, the myth of Santa Clause is based on a person who actually existed (Saint Nicholas). So there is more physical evidence of Santa than Jesus.
@@aim3k249 Well I am not convinced. There is evidence of "messiah"s a hundred years BC or so. Nobody from 1~50CE wrote about an actual person that could have matched what the gospels claimed decades later, although there is evidence that Christians existed. The final story (and doctrine) about Jesus wasn't settled until centuries later. If someone does come up with some hard or convincing evidence that Jesus existed during that time frame it will be huge news and they will be celebrated world-wide.
Just wanna say that I appreciate you guys and the care that you take with these callers. People who are doubtful need to know that yes, there is life without religion, there's decency, there's an exchange of ideas, and the journey of letting go of the security blanket that many of us held on to for so long can be difficult and scary. It's important there's someone on the other side to welcome them. I didn't have that when I gave up my belief, and it was super hard. Keep up the good work.
Funny how the words liberal and liberty have the same root meaning and there is a statue in NY Harbour to attest to the principle that self professed patriots rail against.
It didn't take the Mormon church long to splinter, both under Joseph Smith and Brigham Young, and it's a new church. The Puritans were the same. You're wrong, because I'm right is standard christian fare. 🇦🇺
The evidence is abundant; it's only fools that can't see it or purposely ignore it. It's a scientific fact that the finite universe can't bring itself into existence, because it didn't exist beforehand THUS, the universe depends on not another finite cause, but an infinite cause to come into existence. Further evidence is that it's a scientific fact that finite nature had a beginning, according to not a few physicists. Once nature was created, the 2nd law caused it to decay, and that means the universe is finite, will eventually be destroyed, didn't exist and needs an infinite cause to exist. We also know the universe is finite, because it's also a scientific fact that the sun & all stars will eventually burn out, having exhausted all usable energy. If the universe were infinite, all the stars would have burned out 100+ trillion yrs ago, collapsed upon themselves and there would be nothing but dust today. Try to learn what I'm teaching you before it's too late (when your temporary free will expires at your last gasp on earth and you go to an eternal hell - wishing you had never been born). YOU CAN’T AFFORD TO GET THIS WRONG. Because 100+ trillion yrs from the moment you enter hell, it won’t even be the start of eternity! For now, you and every facet of your asinine, lost & clueless cult of atheism are hereby debunked (e.g. multiverse, big bang, abiogenesis, mistakes (mutations) gaining in complexity/new information, evolution, gain of complexity/gain of new information/new anatomy). FIN P.S. - There are so many brilliant people in the world and none of them are atheists. Atheists are aggressively foolish. The stupidity is vast. Atheists desperately believe in things nobody has ever seen (e.g. big bang, abiogenesis, mistakes (mutations) gaining in complexity/new information, new anatomy differing from ancestry/evolution) and they also desperately believe that in “natural processes” when NOTHING of nature can produce the human being (e.g. star dust, moist rocks, mud puddles, hot rocks, moon dirt, warm ponds, gravity, oceans, primordial soup, nothing). NOTHING of the asinine, lost & clueless atheist cult is POSSIBLE & NONE OF IT can be EMPIRICALLY OBSERVED IN REAL TIME (e.g. multiverse, big bang, abiogenesis, mistakes (mutations) gaining in complexity/new information, evolution). NOTHING but TRUE NATURE can be EMPIRICALLY OBSERVED IN REAL TIME (e.g. flower bloom, reproduction, photosynthesis, digestion, respiration, top down production, gravity, sunshine). THAT is the litmus test for true reality regarding the truth (God, Creation, The Bible). When we follow the evidence there is no new anatomy/evolution. By that fact, I can predict that all human offspring on the entire earth from this moment on, will only have the same anatomy as the entirety of their ancestry. All these IRREFUTABLE FACTS totally destroy every facet of the asinine, lost & clueless atheist cult that's been debunked for centuries and remains totally debunked today in every detail that's tested, measured & observed in REAL TIME by the Scientific Method.
@@holgerlubotzki3469 DO NOT judge knowledge by your almost total lack of it. Are you really this stupid? God wrote the Bible. The Bible proves to be the Word of God w/ it's 2500 fulfilled prophecies regarding Jesus and the next 500 that Jesus hasn't fulfilled yet, NOT TO MENTION that the Bible has plenty of science in it’s 66 books. It mentions the effect of a nuke on the human body, the 2nd law, the fact that God created time/space/matter/energy, that circumcision is done on the 8th day, just like doctors do today. The earth is round and the fact that the Universe is expanding: ”He alone STRETCHES OUT the heavens and treads on the waves of the sea.” Job 9:8. ” … who STRETCHES OUT the heavens like a curtain, and SPREADS THEM like a tent to live in.” - Isaiah 40:22 The Bible is all fact. However, hell is full of intelligent fools. Maybe you're just desperate to be the boss, instead of God; so you don't want God to exist. All atheists are liars (Romans 1:20), so I refuse to ask you any questions and hope for the truth. The "ignorant people" of 3,500 yrs ago didn't have the knowledge to write what's in the Bible. The Bible is a record of observation that's written by God himself. If you think the Bible wasn't observed and documented by God, then you are poorly educated as there is more evidence for the Bible then any other historical writings. God wrote the Bible & used mankind to pen it. You actually think God would depend on weak stupid humans to think up and print his Word? That we'd be judged on "Judgement Day" by what men wrote and not what God wrote? God promised that he'd preserve his Word and he did (Psalm 11:6-7). The Bible is proved by it's fulfillment or prophecy & the fact that no goat herder of 3,500 yrs ago could know the content we find in the Bible. You have a lot to learn and you’re basically starting from the point of abject atheist idiocy. There are so many brilliant people in the world and none of them are atheists. Atheists are aggressively foolish. The stupidity is vast. Atheists desperately believe in things nobody has ever seen (e.g. big bang, abiogenesis, mistakes (mutations) gaining in complexity/new information, new anatomy differing from ancestry/evolution) and they also desperately believe that in “natural processes” when NOTHING of nature can produce the human being (e.g. star dust, moist rocks, mud puddles, hot rocks, moon dirt, warm ponds, gravity, oceans, primordial soup, nothing). NOTHING of the asinine, lost & clueless atheist cult is POSSIBLE & NONE OF IT can be EMPIRICALLY OBSERVED IN REAL TIME (e.g. multiverse, big bang, abiogenesis, mistakes (mutations) gaining in complexity/new information, evolution). NOTHING but TRUE NATURE can be EMPIRICALLY OBSERVED IN REAL TIME (e.g. flower bloom, reproduction, photosynthesis, digestion, respiration, top down production, gravity, sunshine). THAT is the litmus test for true reality regarding the truth (God, Creation, The Bible). When we follow the evidence there is no new anatomy/evolution. By that fact, I can predict that all human offspring on the entire earth from this moment on, will only have the same anatomy as the entirety of their ancestry. All these IRREFUTABLE FACTS totally destroy every facet of the asinine, lost & clueless atheist cult that's been debunked for centuries and remains totally debunked today in every detail that's tested, measured & observed in REAL TIME by the Scientific Method.
@@Ghalaghor_McAllistor DO NOT use your brain, but show me the evidence. That's a clear perspective as to how stupid you are. The Bible is the proof, but when you're a person that ignores the truth, there's no convincing to be done. Don't waste my time again.
The fact no one religious can get any God to even bother to show up consistently is all the evidence needed to prove there's no God capable of that feat
@mrsatire9475 If a god appeared once it would be better than anything any religion has ever done. I'm not defending religion, I'm simply saying that asking for one to appear consistently isn't something you should ask for when one has never appeared at all.
@@sandersson2813 they always shriek that God only had to show up once as Jesus to get killed and that's all the "evidence" "proof" or whatever they think is good enough to blindly follow
As an agnostic I completely know there are possibilities in this universe that I can’t even begin to fathom. That being said, I find no divinity in the many of the so called “holy” texts I’ve given myself the time to examine.
Dear Theists Rather than arguments, bring bring the best/strongest evidence that you have that proves your deity exists tonight on QC's live livestream. I give you my word that if you engage with my honestly and with integrity i will do the same.
I didn't pay Carl to not come on to my live stream, since he thinks that his tremendous bigly arguments would be so devastating to the show. He also says that he doesn't go on live streams. So he wants to be paid to not do the thing that he wasn't going to do??? OK. Sure. Someone please pay me not to go to church. 😂😂😂 He's such an idiot. He doesn't even know what he's saying.
I'll add this: It's a scientific fact that the finite universe can't bring itself into existence, because it didn't exist beforehand THUS, the universe depends on not another finite cause, but an infinite cause to come into existence. Further evidence is that it's a scientific fact that finite nature had a beginning, according to not a few physicists. Once nature was created, the 2nd law caused it to decay, and that means the universe is finite, will eventually be destroyed, didn't exist and needs an infinite cause to exist. We also know the universe is finite, because it's also a scientific fact that the sun & all stars will eventually burn out, having exhausted all usable energy. If the universe were infinite, all the stars would have burned out 100+ trillion yrs ago, collapsed upon themselves and there would be nothing but dust today. Try to learn what I'm teaching you before it's too late (when your temporary free will expires at your last gasp on earth and you go to an eternal hell - wishing you had never been born). YOU CAN’T AFFORD TO GET THIS WRONG. Because 100+ trillion yrs from the moment you enter hell, it won’t even be the start of eternity! For now, you and every facet of your asinine, lost & clueless cult of atheism are hereby debunked (e.g. multiverse, big bang, abiogenesis, mistakes (mutations) gaining in complexity/new information, evolution, gain of complexity/gain of new information/new anatomy). FIN P.S. - There are so many brilliant people in the world and none of them are atheists. Atheists are aggressively foolish. The stupidity is vast. Atheists desperately believe in things nobody has ever seen (e.g. big bang, abiogenesis, mistakes (mutations) gaining in complexity/new information, new anatomy differing from ancestry/evolution) and they also desperately believe that in “natural processes” when NOTHING of nature can produce the human being (e.g. star dust, moist rocks, mud puddles, hot rocks, moon dirt, warm ponds, gravity, oceans, primordial soup, nothing). NOTHING of the asinine, lost & clueless atheist cult is POSSIBLE & NONE OF IT can be EMPIRICALLY OBSERVED IN REAL TIME (e.g. multiverse, big bang, abiogenesis, mistakes (mutations) gaining in complexity/new information, evolution). NOTHING but TRUE NATURE can be EMPIRICALLY OBSERVED IN REAL TIME (e.g. flower bloom, reproduction, photosynthesis, digestion, respiration, top down production, gravity, sunshine). THAT is the litmus test for true reality regarding the truth (God, Creation, The Bible). When we follow the evidence there is no new anatomy/evolution. By that fact, I can predict that all human offspring on the entire earth from this moment on, will only have the same anatomy as the entirety of their ancestry. All these IRREFUTABLE FACTS totally destroy every facet of the asinine, lost & clueless atheist cult that's been debunked for centuries and remains totally debunked today in every detail that's tested, measured & observed in REAL TIME by the Scientific Method.
@@neverendingparty7741 Why do you add ANYTHING? You are too afraid, maybe even more than Carl, to talk to real atheists. Your lack of scientific understanding and knowledge, allowing you to declare things as "irrefutable facts" doesn't count as evidence of anything. At best, it's an evidence of your stupidity and makes me wonder how there could be NO science requirements for chiropractice. Since you didn't lose your license because of your ignorance but rather your criminal dishonesty.
You lost on the arguments and evidence here. You couldn't even engage competently, much less defeat the evidence of Fine Tuning from Modern Cosmology, nor proof of a Contingent universe with a finite physical beginning. You were reduced to floundering, evasion and lies as you were demolished under the weight of facts. Do you suddenly get better in that perverted creep QC's squalid little channel of lies?
Apologists cannot accept that the idea of an omnipotent and omniscient and omnibenevolent God does not square with the fact that the world is full of evil, gratuitous or otherwise. At the same time, they would say that God should exist for morality to have a foundation, and then targue that evil comes from human free will. But if evil can spring independently of God from humans, why can't goodness or morality arise from human free will independently of God as well? This is a very revolting attitude. It debases us humans.
Common sense. Any ability to observe your surroundings. Not being an infant. There's 3 pretty good ones already. Feel free to tackle those and when you finish you can have more or just put your head down on your desk.
Exactly. The god concept is a relic from a past ignorant of the natural world. A sky daddy was the best placeholder. We’ve grown out of that. Well, some of us have at least. lol
"Ayn Rand's philosophy has changed thousands of lives, including my own, and has the power to change the course of history". -Leonard Peikoff- Objectivist
@@BeefT-Sq using Ayn Rand with the word philosophy in the same sentence is the funniest thing i've read today. Was Star Wars also philosophy? Is JK Rowling the next big philosopher in this great line of genius
We may have grown out of that but the hope that intellectually derived idealogies would solve our problems has been proven wrong in the 20th century. We can't imagine our way out with God fantasies and we can't think out way out with idealogies.
@@snowflakemelter1172 it seems silly to think a world full of nations who are majority theist has rejected "god". looking at human history all of our greatest advancements were made pre and post Christian domination of scholarship and research, gee i wonder why? You're making the mistake of thinking the 25% or so of people at the forefront of knowledge are who run things, they don't necessarily.
@marylandsteve5441 did you actually read what you wrote there ? What a claim. All our greatest advancement were made pre and post Alexander the great. See how that's just a valid statement ? Pre and post Christian...you just described all of humanity throughout time 😂 And think you've actually said something 😂
You're not being punished for thinking, you're being punished because your great great great (etc) grandmother ate the fruit of knowledge of good and evil. They gained the knowledge of the things they do that are wrong, and with it the consequences of "evil actions". You continue that long thread of "evil actions", in spite of your pure creation. I mean, reading the book explains the fucking book, I don't know why you idiots have such a hard fucking time with Christian Lore when it's been in print for fucking centuries. Seriously, actual centuries to study this shit, and you're all still screaming the theological equivalent of "If evolution is real then why are there still monkeys?" That's how dumb your fucking arguments are, they are literally explained away if you read the damn book.
It makes me sad that most of humanity seems to need religion.😢 Do they need God as a scapegoat for their actions? Do they need fear of damnation to treat others well? Do they need a church to have community, or satisfy some tribalistic instinct? I really don't understand people.
@@dragonhealer7588 me neither, but that’s literally it. Their mommies and daddies convinced them that they’ll never die like their goldfish and cats and dogs and grandparents etc. and if they’re good little boys and girls and believe in this cult doctrine they’ll have everlasting life floating in the clouds with Jesus. And i tell you what, that scar sticks FOREVER with some of them. And a lot of them grow up to be murderers because they think they’re doing god’s work and sending people to heaven or hell respectively depending on their subjective opinion. 99.6% of the prison population is Christian. I’d wager even higher in the military, especially since church attendance is mandatory in the US military. You can be an atheist, but you’re still gonna go to church. They got special punishments for those who refuse.
Hey, Cross Examiner ... thank you so much for using the Idaho faith-healing law as an example! It's a horrible thing ... all brought to us by theists misapplying our separation of church and state principles.
Nah, watching your kid burn their hand on a hot stove isn't forcing your kid to burn their hand on a hot stove. It's letting it happen in spite of knowing it's going to happen. Don't worry, though, your echo chamber will keep telling you that you're correct so you won't bother with critical thinking of your own.
@@erisdiscordia5429 Seriously? You are going to sit there and watch a kid burn their hands on a hot stove? What else do you sit by and watch let happen? You'll just sit by and watch a kid get "touched" by some adult? Wow!
@@erisdiscordia5429 How can he sit there and watch all that happen? Is it because it's predestined so he can't change it? Or is it because he doesn't exist so he can't anything about what happens in reality?
@@queuecee2 Man, why are you people so scared of free will? Why does it, so often, come down to you people thinking sky daddy isn't being nice enough? What a stupid fucking reason to abandon a religion. This is why you people didn't lose your faith. You just needed somewhere else to put it, so you found different books to believe and different prophets to quote. Praise Saint Dawkins, his dogma shall guide the worthy. See, I'm not a Xian because I ate a shit ton of LSD. Not because of some whining bullshit. If you want the answers, they're in the damn book. You don't want the answers, though, you just want to whine, cry, complain, and feel like you're a "better person" than those irresponsible Christians. Because Your own personal values are blocking your eyes to the truth. Letting a kid burn his hand has zero fucking impact on the cosmos. Humans have zero fucking impact on the cosmos. Heat Death will come. You will all be forgotten. Your version of "morality" is as arbitrary as God's.
8:50 it is in authentic hadith and even for more than ones Sahih Bukhari "The Prophet married me when I was six years old and consummated the marriage with me when I was nine years old." (Volume 7, Book 62, Hadith 64; Hadith 65) Sahih Muslim "I was six years old when the Prophet married me, and nine when the marriage was consummated." (Book 8, Hadith 3311) Sunan Abu Dawood "The Messenger of Allah married me when I was seven years old, and consummated the marriage with me when I was nine years old." (Book 41, Hadith 4915) Jami` at-Tirmidhi "The Messenger of Allah married me when I was six years old and consummated the marriage with me when I was nine years old." (Book 6, Hadith 1027) Musnad Ahmad ibn Hanbal "The Prophet married me when I was six years old, and consummated the marriage with me when I was nine years old." (Volume 6, Hadith 25182) Sunan an-Nasa'i
I'm an atheist, but I know some decent believers and some R-soul atheist's. In general though, I agree with you. To me, a believer is always going to be a bit weird, however pleasant they might be. 🇦🇺😀👍
@@A15degreeperhourdrift When you receive that invitation into your heart and mind by faith in Christ you will have certainty on that question. Until that time, everything contained in the Bible will remain an unsolved mystery to you. I hope you will begin to be curious enough to seek Him with all your heart, mind, strength and soul - as tho it is indeed the most valuable and important journey of discovery you can make.
The usual debunked arguments: Fine tuning - no constants or parameters have been demonstrated to be tuned or confirmed as independent of each other. Anthropic principle / puddle reasoning (distinct from FTA) - relies on assuming that things are noticeably existent because they were intended to be rather than because they exist and were noticed. KCA - relies on special pleading a particular something from nothing. Contingency - relies on special pleading that contingency _always_ exists for _everything_ except whatever is claimed to be the original contingency. Design - relies on comparing known human design with known lack of design then assuming everything unknown is designed. Irreducible Complexity - still not demonstrated to exist. Objective Moral Values - still not demonstrated ontologically. Nor that a god is required for them. Note that divine command morality is just divinely _subjective_ morality. NDEs - basically another claim that personal experiences are true by default. DNA as information - usually hampered by misrepresentation of the definition of information, often with the false claim of being wholly digital. Existence of Consciousness/Intelligence - often falsely claimed to require themselves already existing in order to exist. Usually presented as a false dichotomy ignoring that both vary throughout an organism's existence. Free Will - usually involves equivocation on what free will means and false dichotomies on determinism and randomness, sometimes with a composition fallacy. Scripture Prophecy - usually a mix of statements not verifiable as prophecy, appeal to probability, and appeal to authority. Pascal's Wager - an argument based on risks of afterlife reward/punishment in a false dichotomy between atheism and the arguer's religion (usually Christianity). Pascal's Roulette fits the actual pattern of people's beliefs. Improbability - the claim that the odds are too high for something to occur by chance. Often uses false numbers and false models of the event. Expect the sharpshooter fallacy, lottery winner fallacy, a false dichotomy of randomness vs agency, and all manner of incredulity and ignorance. Any rational discussions about these will be responded to in the comments.
"Objective Moral Values - still not demonstrated ontologically. Nor that a god is required for them. Note that divine command morality is just divinely subjective morality." This is the argument I find the most interesting and often get into long discussions with folks who maintain objective moral values exist but couldn't exist without God. What is your best rsp if you are defending the position that objective moral values exist without God. I usually get around to the position that IF objective moral values can't exist without God, then on what basis does anyone say, with conviction, that God is good?
@rizdekd3912 I tend to find most claiming such without a god are confusing epistemology, ie justification for moral actions, with ontology, ie where moral values come from. Those that are claiming a god responsible for moral values cannot answer the questions you pose. They'll usually make an excuse not to answer or will throw accusations at you about your morality or honesty.
@masego5217 Not only is a code not equivalent to information but DNA doesn't actually fully "code" given our traits depend on the environment. DNA acts more like a recipe than a program.
A Muslim might be okay with a woman being flogged or worse for not wearing a hijab. That would be completely in line with quran, no punishment is stated but suffering and torment be expected Sura Al Ahzab (33) verse 36). Another Muslim might hold that torturing a woman over head coverings is wrong. Which should I believe?
I agree with all the things you say but don't use fluoride in water as an example. Many countries do not put fluoride in water because of the risk of fluoride but rather just rely on fluoride in the toothpaste. Putting chlorine in water would be a better example
How can there be an accepted definition of any god? How many denominations, sects, splinter groups are there simply within the Christian faith? These people can't agree on anything. There's no standard in a myth. 🇦🇺👍😀
One thing that always bugged me was the whole “hell” situation. Why would it be torment? Doesn’t Satan supposedly rule hell? Why would it be torture if you both defy god? I would think he would be happy to see you and add you to his “army” no?
And if God just stands by as rape, murder, child abuse, etc. happens and watches it, and says "ah, human free will" without intervening, then he's an arsehole. Why on Earth worship something so uncaringly cruel and evil as that? "Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent. Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent. Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil? Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?" - Epicurus If he is able but not willing, then he is malevolent. And not worthy of praise nor worship. Also, I'd advise against getting your "absolute morality" from someone who is so clearly as psychopathic as this.
See the wisdom, if every time atrocities caused by human free will, God prevent it, is it free will then? Everyone live like robot? What the point of living? While in atheist believe system all happen because of chain of reaction from previous action happen without starting cause, so there is no evil nor good. Everything just chain of event caused by previous one.
@@holgerlubotzki3469 The LIVES, DIGNITIES, and EXISTENCE of HUMAN BEINGS are clearly of no worth, value, and importance to Atheists, Jehovah's Witnesses, SDAs, Mormons, Catholics, Baptists, Methodists, Born Again Christians, Muslims, Buddhists, Hindus, and fanatics of all kinds of Religions who are all obviously unbothered, remorseless, and just don't care even if their Satanic hatred, arrogance, treacheries, cruelties, hypocrisies, ungratefulness, unkindness, deceits, and - 1. Satanic LIE and false claim that GOD doesn't exist and 2. Satanic LIES and false teachings and doctrines about "hellfire", "Armageddon", "Trinity", "afterlife", "immortality of the souls", "rapture", and "reincarnation" bring them dishonor, disgrace, shame, and cause their own downfall and ETERNAL DEATHS and the humiliations, degradations, sufferings, pains, griefs, sickness, and DEATHS of their own families and neighbors. ATHEISM and ALL KINDS of RELIGIONS are clearly WORTHLESS and USELESS, NO VALUE WHATSOEVER because the loving, kind, and merciful Creator's favor and reward of ETERNAL LIFE and existence on earth without sufferings, pains, griefs, sickness, and death as written in Revelation 21: 3, 4 is ONLY for LOVING, KIND, RESPECTFUL, and SUBMISSIVE persons on earth who rejected Atheism, Christianity, Islam, Hinduism, Buddhism, and all kinds of Religions as worthless and useless, no value whatsoever and willingly submit instead to the authority of Jesus Christ in their obedience to what's written in Matthew 28: 18 and the teachings of Jesus Christ about the "Kingdom of God" and "Resurrection of the Dead" written in Luke 4: 43 and John 11: 25, 26 are NOT for Atheists, Christians, Muslims, Buddhists, Hindus, and fanatics of Religions too but ONLY for LOVING, KIND, RESPECTFUL, and SUBMISSIVE persons on earth who died recently and thousands of years ago like Abel, Noah, Abraham, Sarah, Isaac, Jacob, Moses, Job, Naomi, Ruth, King David, Jesus Christ's Followers and disciples, and many others who are all worthy and deserving of being RESURRECTED back to life in the right and proper time so they can happily and abundantly live and exist on earth forever and fully enjoy the eternal love, kindness, goodness, generosities, compassions, favors, and blessings of the Creator and his Christ for eternity as submissive and obedient subjects of the "KINGDOM of GOD" under the loving and kind rulership, guidance, and protection of Jesus Christ as the Creator's Chosen King and Ruler of the heavens and the earth as written in Revelation 11: 15.
"Militant"? When idiotic trolls don't know meaning of words, such as "militant". Thinks it's when people respond to their favorite Christian trolls. And don't know what "paternalistic" means. Or what "misogynistic" means, so pretends that their imaginary "wife" is the one who doesn't know it. An imaginary wife who calls someone queer for no reason, but is not homophobic, because the idiot troll claims that wives cannot be homophobic. 🤦♂ There's DEFINITELY something wrong here.
@@Beacon80 Did I “demonstrate your point” without slight awareness? 😂 wow Beacon you’re really good with those pointless words. Have you been practicing putting words together again?
There are zero, ZERO coherent definitions of a god that are worthy of the label god. All of the common god things bandied about are demonstrably fallacious and in that sense there are no gods.
DO NOT judge knowledge by your almost total lack of it. There are so many brilliant people in the world and none of them are atheists. Atheists are aggressively foolish. The stupidity is vast. Atheists desperately believe in things nobody has ever seen (e.g. big bang, abiogenesis, mistakes (mutations) gaining in complexity/new information, new anatomy differing from ancestry/evolution) and they also desperately believe that in “natural processes” when NOTHING of nature can produce the human being (e.g. star dust, moist rocks, mud puddles, hot rocks, moon dirt, warm ponds, gravity, oceans, primordial soup, nothing). NOTHING of the asinine, lost & clueless atheist cult is POSSIBLE & NONE OF IT can be EMPIRICALLY OBSERVED IN REAL TIME (e.g. multiverse, big bang, abiogenesis, mistakes (mutations) gaining in complexity/new information, evolution). NOTHING but TRUE NATURE can be EMPIRICALLY OBSERVED IN REAL TIME (e.g. flower bloom, reproduction, photosynthesis, digestion, respiration, top down production, gravity, sunshine). THAT is the litmus test for true reality regarding the truth (God, Creation, The Bible). When we follow the evidence there is no new anatomy/evolution. By that fact, I can predict that all human offspring on the entire earth from this moment on, will only have the same anatomy as the entirety of their ancestry. All these IRREFUTABLE FACTS totally destroy every facet of the asinine, lost & clueless atheist cult that's been debunked for centuries and remains totally debunked today in every detail that's tested, measured & observed in REAL TIME by the Scientific Method.
@@neverendingparty4832Still LOL at you, god-boi. How many times are you going to dig the same ridiculous christian supstitionist nonsense out of your colon? Does doing that turn you on?
@@neverendingparty4832 "DO NOT judge knowledge by your almost total lack of it." Projection... And look you SPAMMED the same stupid stuff yet again... you are a retread...
This (particularly the last half of the video) is exactly I've heard many friends say things like "i know i still follow the teachings of Jesus, but i don't think i can call myself christian anymore"
The only point I disagree with Forrest on is around the 5-minute mark when he said that the Abrahamic god drowned everybody in part because they didn't love it enough. It didn't demand love, not once during Genesis. Only worship, obedience and fear, to the point where the book says 'god-fearing' over and over but never 'god-loving'. The book (Koran and Torah as well) doesn't even try to portray it as demanding of love by its own words, only from the proselytizing of others. The adherents try to make their grotesque deity more appealing than the books that describe it. Great call guys, keep it up!
@@AtlasJotun I see I missed it, but it's rather easy to miss the minor details when he starts talking faster. However, at the end of the day, it doesn't matter. God flooding the world and killing nearly all life on it is not good, regardless of what his reason is. In other words, you're missing the point of him bringing up the flood.
@@magnatcleo2043 So I point out the specific statement I was referring to, you concede that I was referencing what I meant to (Forrest was certainly on a roll by then, easy enough to lose that remark among everything else he was saying!), but then switch to arguing that I missed the point. There's just no pleasing some people :D In all seriousness though, I was agreeing with the sentiment that he expressed just prior to the example I quoted, which was that it's an abhorrent monster. I was just nitpicking, partly for the mere sake of 'engagement'. And look at all this engagement you and I have now drummed up; all hail the algorithm! Have a great day!
Reason, observation of the natural world, psychology, evolutionary psychology, research, science, deduction, common sense, fact-based evidence in the origins of religion, religious texts, and the millions upon millions of failed attempts of theists to prove the existence of a god … et. al.
@@richardcooper9167 Is it? Which god is he asking about? "The current one" would at least refer to all gods that are currently actively being worshiped. Which, funny enough, includes old Norse gods due to resurfacing of paganism and wicca-beliefs.
I’m working on an argument against omniscience by virtue of experiential knowledge is unknowable to an omniscient being who has not had the experience contained in the propositional claim that describes the experience. If the experiential claim is unknowable, then an omniscient being may not know what knowable experiential claims are missing from the set of all knowable propositions. If God has not experienced what it’s like to be me, then what it’s like to be me is unknowable to that being. If what it’s like to be me is unknowable to that being, then I have no reason to believe God knows what it’s like to be me.
Not even a rational beginning do you have on the topic. With your FINITE mind, you're trying to say that you can describe an INFINITE mind. No can do, kid. You have a lot to learn.
@@neverendingparty7741 Luckily this is just a philosophical thought experiment since the concept of a "God" referenced is evidently nonexistent, aka "not REAL", same as the mythological "God" character in the book of historical fantasy fiction called the Buy-Bull.
@@Soylent1981 You're further parading your ignorance by your question. You're now asking me with my FINITE mind to describe an INFINITE mind. You need to start all over again & learn the basics, but I'm sure you'll find that foreign also, but that's the reality for the lost & clueless.
@@neverendingparty7741 Hey “expert theologian”, how many books of the Bible are there, and which faith and denomination within Christianity is the correct one? Hint: It’s not 66.
I have one for God as an atheist. Here, check it. If there is no God, then there is no Satan, and if there is no Satan there is no evil. Evil exists, therefore God exists. Thank God for atheism 🙏 Peace Love Empathy From Australia 🤠
Here's what you said in a _modus tollens_ syllogism: *P1:* If God does not exist, then Satan does not exist. *P2:* If Satan does not exist, then evil does not exist. *P3:* Evil exists. *Conclusion:* Therefore, God exists. So I guess all the evil things that the trolls here post is so that they can demonstrate that their creator of evil exists.🤷♂
"Evil exists" - Broken premise. Concepts like "good" and "evil" are relative and essentially opinions. The greatest good and highest evil all pass with the last human.
@@XMeK Even if concepts like good and evil are relative and subjective, they do exist. His point wasn't about some greatest good and highest evil. And Smochy's argument is really an internal critique of the Christian god belief.
With great power comes great responsibility. With ALL power comes ALL responsibility. Side note: Therefore, people who feel like everything is their fault, are narcissists. For you to think everything is your fault, you have to believe everything is in your power.
It seems that Damonkey boy is falling apart because I pointed out how he constantly white knights for the toddler bigot.😂😂😂 Look at his knee jerk response to anyone even mentioning me.🤣 My threads are full of these two helping each other cope.🤣
Are you pretty good at managing filler words? If you called in, would people complain that you use filler words? It can be annoying, but it is part of how some people communicate.
Pointless complaints in yt comments should be banned. Replies to pointless complaints should be banned. I should be banned like you know and so on. Ban me. Do it.
I'm an agnostic atheist myself and long time enjoyer of this show, but frankly I don't buy it when these hosts or anyone says that if the god of the bible existed they wouldn't obey him. Really? If the god of the bible was proven to be real and the consequence of defying him was proven to be eternal horrific punishment you'd stick to that? I don't believe that for a moment. I agree with them that the god of the bible is an asshole if he's real and hell is real, but I'd be lying if I said I wouldn't do just about anything to avoid eternal horrific torture. We're talking about ETERNITY here, people. It's easy to say you wouldn't worship him when you don't think he's real, but you're kidding yourself if you truly think your tune wouldn't change if you found out hell was real.
Thing is, if God was real then he would know how I would feel about his moral character whether or not I pretend to worship him or not. And I would go to hell either way. So I might just say what I sincerely believe because the outcome will be the same.
@@TheAlecPowers if the God of the Bible was proven to exist it would be so corrupt and self contradictory you couldn't trust it or even know how to obey if you wanted to
Given that the biblical god isn't presented as actually omniscient, omnipotent, or omnibenevolent, it's a difficult question to answer. If the biblical god can be deceived then, if real, pretending to worship them can work. If not then it's irrelevant.
My personal best argument to denigrate (not disprove) any god is that if there is a god, they created all of this on purpose. An omniscient, omnipowerful being could have created a literal heaven and just skipped the entire "life on earth" part. The part with disease, suffering, and death. The part where living beings have to feed off each other. Just skip straight to heaven. Living in complete harmony with each other in bliss. Now why wouldn't someone prefer to create that?
Remember to report the AXP troll QC for their abusive behaviour. They will not leave people like JEdith and Apot alone. Homophobic slurs and doxxing videos.
@@Atreyu-81 For QC this comment section is his life and mission, his hugbox with his friends, which his whole world hinges upon and documents and makes videos about, that he’d collapse without.
@@Atreyu-81 Yep he makes smear videos about me, tags me, and then deletes my comments if try to respond. And blocks me from them. And he deletes and reposts giant paragraphs about me, if I try to dispute what he says.
@@Atreyu-81 He can’t handle that accountability where the person he is smearing might try to defend themselves from his malicious lies. Censorship is his only weapon.
@@petrospetroupetrou9653 "Yes, you just proved my point lol" Not really. You see, a decently intelligent person would have noticed the flaw in that logic. You are not that person...
Correct. But, while absence of evidence is not evidence of absence, it also isn't proof of anything, so the most logical thing to do is to not believe in the claims made until evidence is presented.
350 days and still not a single convincing reason to believe in the existence of any god, gods, demigods, souls, spirits, magic or other divine or supernatural beings. Will nobody break this fail streak? Doesn’t look like it.
All gods ever proposed are mere mental concepts. Never has any gods been presented in a manner that distinguishes from a mere mental concept. Now, add all the reasons humans throughout history and cultures organize around religions and invent gods.
I have a very simple probability argument, Of course either god exists or doesn't exist, so the probability of god existing is either 1 or 0. However, we can use probability of past events that are unknown. The probability of a coin toss is based on the probability space, which maps the number of possibilities which always sum to 1. As we have two possibilities "heads" or "tails" which are roughly equally probable, the probability of each outcome is 1/ the number of possible outcomes, or 0.5. With a dice of six equal sides, the probability of each outcome is 1/6. So to work out the probability of god we have to work out the probability space and the reciprocal will be the actual probability that we live in a universe created by god. How many ways to do we know that a universe can be created with a god and how many ways do we know that universe can be created without a god. The answer is zero and zero, So we have to think of it another way. Based on our knowledge, how many ways should we assume a universe can be created with and without god. Our knowledge is limited, so we should assume the answer is infinite and infinite. So 1/2*infinity =0. I prefer to think not of gods, but of god-stories, since religions tend not to be basted on a non-specific god, but on a collection of stories about a specific god. How many possible god stories are there? I think there are an infinite number of god possibilities. Therefore even if we hold that a god actually exists, the chances of any particular god story being true tends to zero. Then we have no reason to doubt that the number of possible ways a universe can start without a god is also infinite. So, as far as I know, the chances of say the Chrisitian god as described in the bible is true is 1 divided by the addition of number of possible god stories and the number ways a universe can began without a god. That is a very small number.
Theists love for you to argue about God rather than challenging their beliefs directly. First present YOUR beliwf and why i should care about it. Now we've got a real thing to argue about.
Let's for one moment give these theists the benefit of the doubt that there is a higher power controlling this universe. How can they be absolutely certain that there is one controlling deity and not several?
He just agreed that the Abrahamic god (the God of the old testament) depicts a monster, but then goes on to somehow exempt HIS version of that same god from any such failings.
Taking fluoride out of the water will make kids loose their teeth? I suppose if you actively remove it perhaps thats not good, but most countries dont add fluoride to drinking water. Example: Scandinavia. And spoiler - our kids are not loosing their teeth.
While I respect and appreciate Ibrahim's honest and pleasant nature, his position begs the question. If you understand and agree with almost everything the hosts are saying and disagree with every negative aspect of your own scripture, then wtf DO you believe in and WHY?
My neighbor exclaimed that god was so great and worthy of praise. He knows I am a non-theist and so I exclaimed that no space ghost was more worthy of non-acknowledgement than the most high nothingness of non-existence and we laughed.
Let me first pose a question to you; Do you think that Atheism is unique in that they are the only group of people throughout history who have devoted significant time and energy advocating against a belief they believed was wrong/harmful? This is not even a difficult question. We don't believe God exists, but we are arguing against Christianity, an ideology that 100% of people would agree exists. Some non-believers genuinely enjoy talking and debating science and religion, and it can be a source of income , which is a perfectly legitimate reason by itself.
@ How did the Big Bang explode into consciousness. How isn’t that a miracle? Everything works plus we have this special ability to reason and choose what we desire. How does all that come from nothingness that exploded?
"How are you?" "Never had a bad day." Wait, what?! How?!?! Almost every day is bad for me! A good day is one where I DON'T think about taking my life, and that's rare!
@Earthling247 I don't see how. Being alive means pain. Life would be far easier if I didn't have to work to survive. My job pushes me closer to the edge. 😓
@ambriasaunders1869 I too unfortunately have many many problems and troubles. I just hope we all find some happiness and contentment in this life. I truly wish you well.
@ yes I feel that, please speak with someone qualified to provide assistance. I am definitely not qualified to help much, but I really hope things start going more to your liking. 🫶
Oh my goodness. You guys crack me up. "Should we pass laws because Santa Claus said to?" What if Santa's law would say don't steal or murder? Would you want Santa's law passed there? What if Santa's law says you're not allowed to lie maliciously? Is that a good law to make? What if I told you that there is a system of law in practice today that was based on Santa's law and you all already agree that Santa's law is good? Would that make you rethink your position?
@@queuecee2 Why are you assuming that to be my only reason to follow Santa's law? Moreover, you're making a false premise that secularists don't do things out of obedience. You also didn't answer any of the questions and you also have to answer why choosing to follow any type of law is objectively good. Don't try to disengage with villification and mockery. Either deal with the argument or step away and take the L
@@queuecee2 You also have to explain to me why we shouldn't follow Santa's law when these are the things that Santa's law teaches and you likely agree that these are good things. Even if Santa isn't real but his law teaches all of the things you agree are good why wouldn't you follow it? That seems silly to me
I'd like to have heard more from the caller - hosts should try to avoid repeating themselves so much. The caller's beliefs seem a better version of Islam than some but we didn't hear how he rejects things like the hadith & the holy status of Mohammad.
How is that hadith not authentic? It's sahih hadith. Sahih literally means authentic. Is he a Shia Muslim cuz most Shias reject hadiths and they're mostly Qur'anists. Otherwise, it's sahih according to their own source, al-Bukhari and Sahih Muslim where Aisha herself narrated that situation, especially how old she was and still playing with dolls
I don't see how anyone can say what, if anything, exists outside this physical existence. All the claims of a god making itself known in this physical existence are suspect and contradictory. I can't say no gods exist, but I haven't seen any evidence to say one does exists.
The LIE and claim that GOD doesn't exist and LIES and false teachings and doctrines about "hellfire", "Armageddon", "Trinity", "afterlife", "immortality of the souls", "rapture", and "reincarnation" are clearly the Satanic LIES, tricks, and deceits that definitely bring and cause the dishonor, disgrace, shame, downfall and ETERNAL DEATHS of Atheists, Jehovah's Witnesses, SDAs, Mormons, Catholics, Methodists, Baptists, Born Again Christians, Muslims, Buddhists, Hindus, and fanatics of all kinds of Religions who are all obviously lied to, tricked, deceived, and murdered by Satan the Devil, the Father of LIES and Murderer of Human beings as written in John 8: 44. The TRUTH is ATHEISM and ALL KINDS of RELIGIONS are WORTHLESS and USELESS, NO VALUES WHATSOEVER because the loving, kind, and merciful Creator's favor and reward of ETERNAL LIFE and existence on earth without sufferings, pains, griefs, sickness, and death as written in Revelation 21: 3, 4 is ONLY for LOVING, KIND, RESPECTFUL, and SUBMISSIVE persons on earth who rejected Atheism, Christianity, Islam, Hinduism, Buddhism, and all kinds of Religions as worthless and useless, no value whatsoever and willingly submit instead to the authority of Jesus Christ in their obedience to what's written in Matthew 28: 18 and the teachings of Jesus Christ about the "Kingdom of God" and "Resurrection of the Dead" written in Luke 4: 43 and John 11: 25, 26 are NOT for Atheists, Christians, Muslims, Buddhists, Hindus, and fanatics of Religions too but ONLY for LOVING, KIND, RESPECTFUL, and SUBMISSIVE persons on earth who died recently and thousands of years ago like Abel, Noah, Abraham, Sarah, Isaac, Jacob, Moses, Job, Naomi, Ruth, King David, Jesus Christ's Followers and disciples, and many others who are all worthy and deserving of being RESURRECTED back to life in the right and proper time so they can happily and abundantly live and exist on earth forever as submissive and obedient subjects of the "KINGDOM of GOD" and fully enjoy the eternal love, kindness, goodness, generosities, compassions, favors, and blessings of the Creator and his Christ for eternity under the loving and kind rulership, guidance, and protection of Jesus Christ as the Creator's Chosen King and Ruler of the heavens and the earth as written in Revelation 11: 15.
@@albaniahenry-franklin2829 LIES, DISHONOR and ETERNAL DEATHS versus TRUTHS, HONOR and ETERNAL LIFE and EXISTENCE on EARTH The LIE and false claim that GOD doesn't exist and LIES and false teachings about "hellfire", "Armageddon", "Trinity", "afterlife", "immortality of the souls", "rapture", and "reincarnation" are clearly the Satanic LIES, tricks, and deceits of Atheists and Pastors and Leaders of Religions that definitely bring and cause the dishonor, disgrace, shame, downfall and ETERNAL DEATHS of Atheists, Jehovah's Witnesses, SDAs, Mormons, Catholics, Methodists, Baptists, Born Again Christians, Muslims, Buddhists, Hindus, and fanatics of all kinds of Religions who are all obviously lied to, tricked, deceived, and murdered by Satan the Devil, the Father of LIES and Murderer of Human beings as written in John 8: 44. The TRUTH is ATHEISM and ALL KINDS of RELIGIONS are WORTHLESS and USELESS, NO VALUE WHATSOEVER because the loving, kind, and merciful Creator's favor and reward of ETERNAL LIFE and existence on earth without sufferings, pains, griefs, sickness, and death as written in Revelation 21: 3, 4 is ONLY for LOVING, KIND, RESPECTFUL, and SUBMISSIVE persons on earth who rejected Atheism, Christianity, Islam, Hinduism, Buddhism, and all kinds of Religions as worthless and useless, no value whatsoever and willingly submit instead to the authority of Jesus Christ in their obedience to what's written in Matthew 28: 18 and the teachings of Jesus Christ about the "Kingdom of God" and "Resurrection of the Dead" written in Luke 4: 43 and John 11: 25, 26 are NOT for Atheists, Christians, Muslims, Buddhists, Hindus, and fanatics of Religions too but ONLY for LOVING, KIND, RESPECTFUL, and SUBMISSIVE persons on earth who died recently and thousands of years ago like Abel, Noah, Abraham, Sarah, Isaac, Jacob, Moses, Job, Naomi, Ruth, King David, Jesus Christ's Followers and disciples, and many others who are all worthy and deserving of being RESURRECTED back to life in the right and proper time so they can happily and abundantly live and exist on earth forever as submissive and obedient subjects of the "KINGDOM of GOD" and fully enjoy the eternal love, kindness, goodness, generosities, compassions, favors, and blessings of the Creator and his Christ for eternity under the loving and kind rulership, guidance, and protection of Jesus Christ as the Creator's Chosen King and Ruler of the heavens and the earth as written in Revelation 11: 15.
@@holgerlubotzki3469 LIES, DISHONOR and ETERNAL DEATHS versus TRUTHS, HONOR and ETERNAL LIFE and EXISTENCE on EARTH The LIE and false claim that GOD doesn't exist and LIES and false teachings about "hellfire", "Armageddon", "Trinity", "afterlife", "immortality of the souls", "rapture", and "reincarnation" are clearly the Satanic LIES, tricks, and deceits of Atheists and Pastors and Leaders of Religions that definitely bring and cause the dishonor, disgrace, shame, downfall and ETERNAL DEATHS of Atheists, Jehovah's Witnesses, SDAs, Mormons, Catholics, Methodists, Baptists, Born Again Christians, Muslims, Buddhists, Hindus, and fanatics of all kinds of Religions who are all obviously lied to, tricked, deceived, and murdered by Satan the Devil, the Father of LIES and Murderer of Human beings as written in John 8: 44. The TRUTH is ATHEISM and ALL KINDS of RELIGIONS are WORTHLESS and USELESS, NO VALUE WHATSOEVER because the loving, kind, and merciful Creator's favor and reward of ETERNAL LIFE and existence on earth without sufferings, pains, griefs, sickness, and death as written in Revelation 21: 3, 4 is ONLY for LOVING, KIND, RESPECTFUL, and SUBMISSIVE persons on earth who rejected Atheism, Christianity, Islam, Hinduism, Buddhism, and all kinds of Religions as worthless and useless, no value whatsoever and willingly submit instead to the authority of Jesus Christ in their obedience to what's written in Matthew 28: 18 and the teachings of Jesus Christ about the "Kingdom of God" and "Resurrection of the Dead" written in Luke 4: 43 and John 11: 25, 26 are NOT for Atheists, Christians, Muslims, Buddhists, Hindus, and fanatics of Religions too but ONLY for LOVING, KIND, RESPECTFUL, and SUBMISSIVE persons on earth who died recently and thousands of years ago like Abel, Noah, Abraham, Sarah, Isaac, Jacob, Moses, Job, Naomi, Ruth, King David, Jesus Christ's Followers and disciples, and many others who are all worthy and deserving of being RESURRECTED back to life in the right and proper time so they can happily and abundantly live and exist on earth forever as submissive and obedient subjects of the "KINGDOM of GOD" and fully enjoy the eternal love, kindness, goodness, generosities, compassions, favors, and blessings of the Creator and his Christ for eternity under the loving and kind rulership, guidance, and protection of Jesus Christ as the Creator's Chosen King and Ruler of the heavens and the earth as written in Revelation 11: 15.
No one SHOULD follow God as tho you are forced to 'comply'.. Those who follow Christ follow because they WANT to. Just as the first disciples, they 'hear' a call through His Word or through the testimony of another and they drop what they are doing and go see and seek for themselves. John 3 16 invites you to know the love and promise Jesus offers you.
We have needs that must be satisfied or we suffer and that is a problem. Designers do not create problems, they solve problems. Ergo, there is no Intelligent Designer.
I doubt many atheist's 'convert'? Maybe those people who are open to believing anything they hear, but have no particular god. If there were ANY evidence for ANY god, we'd have heard it. As of November 17/11, 2024, weve heard SFA. Strange isn't it? 🇦🇺👍
Whilst I see your point 19:05 , the risk of this line of thinking seems flawed. Because the same could be said of any group, including the group of people that are atheists. This would be an argument of belonging to no groups whatsoever with a diversity of thought within them. So I don’t think this line of argument holds much water.
I think the best argument against gods is the diversity of belief systems and absolute failure to show any kind of evidence and even lie about others. Religion seems to be the devil, so to speak, don't take me literally.
soooo... if you don't agree with "those Christians" or "those Muslims", maybe call yourself something else. those people who believe those bad things that you dont believe are propped up by you "being part of their group" even though you're "really not"
That was one of the best callers I've heard. Responsive, listened, thoughtful, made his points clearly, etc.
_What does self evidence mean in the legal system?_
Two men are involved in a legal dispute and present the case to you (Judge). Party A claims he gave money to B as a loan. B denies. Non of them submitted any evidence. You are the judge and you are required to issue the verdict. What will be your decision and on what basis?
B wins the argument.
الأصل براءة الذمة.
Free liability is a priori assumption.
_Quran A Guidance for Proper Reasoning_
There are two types of evidence: intellectual evidence or what is self-evident, and empirical evidence or evidence accessible through the senses. Quran endorses the following proofs:
Evidence collectively plays key role in eliminating doubt: We observe the laws and elements necessary for life come together on our survival. Its impossible for them to collectively come together on our survival by accident. There is intentionality.
Intelligent design: The fly design stunned scientists. Scientists marveled at the fly’s light engines and maneuvering techniques: They said: "from where did it get this creative intelligent concept in the first place?!!"
Life entry and exit: Creatures come out to life from a state of inanimate matter and from a state of life to a state of dead. Developing similar biological life requires advanced technology.
In a court of law, this is sufficient (Quantity) appropriate (Quality) proof of a supernatural power. Theist should win a court of law on the grounds of self-evidence. Atheist claim is dismissed.
Our expectation is that this power must identify himself, claim ownership of the universe and clarify the purpose of life. In line with our expectation, Abraham’s God made that claim.
The Early Creation and Quran 21.30-31
In the name of Allah, Most Merciful and The All Merciful:
30-Have those who disbelieved not considered that the heavens and the earth were a joined entity, and We separated them and made out of water every living thing? Then will they not believe?
31- And We have set on the earth mountains standing firm, lest it should shake with them, and We have made therein broad highways to facilitate transportation.
The Cosmos Proof:
Allah is arguing that the Big Bang explosion should create chaos. Instead of producing chaos, Quran says that the Big Bang explosion ended up producing living things, order, life, laws, variation, sophistication, habitable world (mountains and geological plains), therefore, the existence of a creator is self-evident.
Somebody must have stepped in. The creator identified himself, claimed ownership of the universe and clarified the purpose of life. Since only Abraham’s God made that claim, the creation belongs to him until somebody else claims partnership.
[1] Research field: Astrochemistry. Theory of origin of life from nonliving matter. How did we cross from chemistry to biology?.
Quran in simple terms is a book which makes the claim "i created". He added proofs as follows:
In Quran 21.30, God said heavens and the earth were a joint entity and we separated them. Joint entity was recently discovered and is referred to as ‘model of singularity’ which basically means that the entire universe existed as a singularity. Then, the big bang (separated them).
God ordered the sky and Earth to come into being from smoke. 11-Then He directed Himself to the heaven while it was smoke and said to it and to the earth, "Come [into being], willingly or by compulsion." They said, "We have come willingly”. Scientists discovered the cosmic dust. It is not the same as the dust you find in your house but more like smoke. It is the raw material from which planets like the Earth are formed.
Jesus miracles of sight ended with his death. Mohamed miracles didn't.
Comparing the existence of God case to proving a Santa Clause exist is incorrect.
Why the comparison is incorrect?
There is intentionality. Quran says reflect upon how the following elements of life come together collectively on our survival:
• Nature had to figure out how to make rain a recurrent process. scientific term is water cycle
• Rain water could have been bitter, salty, sour, carbonated etc. (nature was biased in its selection).
• Water was preserved in the form of lakes and ponds and underground water.
• Water sewerage system comes in whereby the rivers will transport the water to the sea.
• A barrier prevents salty water from mixing with the river water.
• You throw the inside of dates but in grains you eat the inside and throw the outside.
• Color diversity is a recurrent feature in mountains, fruits, plants, people, and animals. Uncolored outcome in a random selection was entirely skipped. Applying the theory of probability, it cannot be other than a biased selection.
• Seed evolved into diversity and variety
Milk and meat were necessary for human evolution. Quran wants us to reflect:
• Out of thousands of species that live in the wild, cattle live with us and were made 4 pairs.
• The law of reproduction ensures sufficient quantity.
• Since cow eats only grass, our expectation is that cow's milk should come out mixed with blood and waste and other excretions. Instead it comes out pure white liquid.
• Leveled earth stunned geologists and they gave it the term 'plains'. Why leveled? To facilitate transportation in land.
• Archimedes’ buoyancy law facilitates marine transportation.
• [Newtons law of attraction] prevents the skies from falling.
• Out of thousands of species that live in the wild, cattle live with us and were made 8 mates.
• The law of reproduction ensures sufficient quantity.
• We need stars to determine directions.
• The sun rises and sets but the moon does not.
• The moon changes shape but the sun does not.
• We need to calculate time and, surprisingly, moon is an illuminating disc (lunar) that changes shape. it divides our calendar into 4 weeks by giving 4 primary shapes.
• We need daylight to make a living and darkness to rest and, surprisingly, we find variation in the day light in a cycle of 1 day and daylight dims then turns off to be able to sleep well.
Lecture by Al-Azhar school of theology scholar late Mohamed Metwally Al-Sharawy.
Caller seems to be a decent fellow, makes his pints and listens.
Around 22:00, caller then proceeds to infer that most of the atrocities by Islamic nations were from Sunni territories and these Islamic “theocracies” aren’t really true Islamic theocracies. This shows the bias and misses the whole point the hosts were talking about; religious doctrine can lead to bad actions, especially if they can support the motion of a god. It can blind critical thinking
Wow! What a lovely caller! He was respectful, he made his points and didn’t try to talk over ya’ll and any answers you had for his questions..it must be refreshing as the hosts when someone like this pops up
We are not sinners because we sin, we sin because we are sinners. If a man says he has never done wrong/sinned he is a liar, and the truth is not in him. Pride is the cause of unbelief. Unbelief is the only reason a soul/person goes to hell. Rejection of the truth (Jesus Christ). Jesus Christ is the Lamb of God who takes away the sins of the world. God/Jesus Christ offers to all who believe (have faith) the gift of God - eternal life to know him. No religion needed. Just faith, faith plus nothing. The ones who reject the truth are the ones being lied to by the enemy of our souls - the devil (Satan).
@@paulgemme6056 sin is a concept made by men.
The way Cross Examiner brought it back to the Loch Ness Monster was brilliant
Why are you an Atheist?
@@tylerdyson8410 Why do you ask questions where you don't care about the answer?
@@tylerdyson8410 Because in my nearly four decades of living on this Earth I have yet to come across (either by finding, or by someone presenting) one single shred of credible evidence for any kind of deity.
Considering there is more 'evidence' for the Loch Ness monster than there is for Jesus!
@@tylerdyson8410 He's intelligent, not credulous, and not so broken that he requires comfort in fairy tales. That was easy. Next question...?
It's high time that we as a species begin to grow up and get real with reality and take responsibility for our own actions and behaviors.
Why who cares? We supposedly have no value.
My biggest argument is why are there even arguments at all? We only argue about things we don’t agree on. If gods existed there would be no arguments at all, right?
Wrong. There's only the IRREFUTABLE FACTS and the rebellion against them. There are so many brilliant people in the world and none of them are atheists. Atheists are aggressively foolish. The stupidity is vast. Atheists desperately believe in things nobody has ever seen (e.g. big bang, abiogenesis, mistakes (mutations) gaining in complexity/new information, new anatomy differing from ancestry/evolution) and they also desperately believe that in “natural processes” when NOTHING of nature can produce the human being (e.g. star dust, moist rocks, mud puddles, hot rocks, moon dirt, warm ponds, gravity, oceans, primordial soup, nothing).
NOTHING of the asinine, lost & clueless atheist cult is POSSIBLE & NONE OF IT can be EMPIRICALLY OBSERVED IN REAL TIME (e.g. multiverse, big bang, abiogenesis, mistakes (mutations) gaining in complexity/new information, evolution).
NOTHING but TRUE NATURE can be EMPIRICALLY OBSERVED IN REAL TIME (e.g. flower bloom, reproduction, photosynthesis, digestion, respiration, top down production, gravity, sunshine). THAT is the litmus test for true reality regarding the truth (God, Creation, The Bible).
When we follow the evidence there is no new anatomy/evolution. By that fact, I can predict that all human offspring on the entire earth from this moment on, will only have the same anatomy as the entirety of their ancestry.
All these IRREFUTABLE FACTS totally destroy every facet of the asinine, lost & clueless atheist cult that's been debunked for centuries and remains totally debunked today in every detail that's tested, measured & observed in REAL TIME by the Scientific Method.
@@neverendingparty7741
Oh good, more “irrefutable facts” bullshite.
@@neverendingparty7741 You can observe gravity. There is a vacuum chamber in which a light feather and a heavy bowling ball are being dropped at exactly the same time and both fall down as if they weigh the same.
@@tonyclements1147 OH MAN! LOL! YOU COULDN'T BE MORE SPOT ON! LOL! A MUD PUDDLE DID IT! LOL! Clearly, it was a mud puddle (or star dust?) that came from nothing by nothing to do nothing and be nothing & produced the first cell with systems within to eat, digest food, eliminate waste, move, breathe & reproduce, NOT TO MENTION that FIRST CELL contained the DNA blueprints for 9 million DIFFERENT species of life, the human being and 300,000 DIFFERENT plants. NAH! It didn't take a God to do that :) MOON DIRT DID IT! LOL!!
THAT is the bald face stupidity of atheism UNLESS of course, you have a better atheist explanation for reality. I'll be glad to hear it, but we both know you don't. And that means you're the very definition of being "lost & clueless" when it comes to reality. God is real and EVERYTHING we observe (e.g. life, intelligence, love, consciousness, morality) is only explained by an INFINITE CAUSE that has the intelligence, power, purpose, resources & means that are FAR BEYOND that of mankind. We call him “OUR INFINITE/ETERNAL/SUPERNATURAL GOD and there is no other option. That's why no atheist has a rational/possible, step-by-step atheist explanation for reality. That's because there isn't one.
Try to learn what I'm teaching you before it's too late (when your temporary free will expires at your last gasp on earth and you go to an eternal hell - wishing you had never been born). For now, you and your asinine, lost & clueless cult of atheism is hereby debunked (e.g. multiverse, big bang, abiogenesis, mistakes (mutations) gaining in complexity/new information, transitional new anatomy/evolution).
Flat earthers exist and it is moronically obvious the earth is a globe
One of the best episodes ever broadcast. Great discussion.
When Forest said believing in “silly things “that reminded me of Monty Python and Graham Chapman when he would interrupt a skit dressed as a Officer saying “all right then, that’s enough, this has gotten too silly. “ it tickled me.
@@robertdavis942 Jesus turned me into a newt!
.....I got better....
@@CheesyChez421 Jesus is a witch!!! A witch, I tells you!
And now for something completely different
@@jjpopnfresh6822 Man, I'd love that, but these "Atheist" echo chambers have had the same script since like 1996. Not a single original argument since the dawn of the internet.
@@erisdiscordia5429have any answers to these arguments?
Thank God for atheism 🙏
And a good Monday morning AXP fans and theists ❤❤❤
Peace Love Empathy From Australia 🤠
You guys r not only arguing against god but fighting for humanity this way... well done... keep it up 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
@@Sóumit-q6z how antisemetic
You are stuck in a dimension
I like to use the Tooth Fairy in place of Santa Clause, and escalate the level of horrible acts in her name to see how much they'd be ok with.
Hey if you see the tooth fairy please tell them that they owe me money !!
You've gotta love 'I don't believe in Santa Claus because there's no evidence', while fervently defending their silly old book as something revelatory. What horse hockey. 🇦🇺😀👍
@@blackfly56me too. Gummy, Australia. 🤣🇦🇺
@@blackfly56 I just saw the Tooth Fairy, and they told me to ask you for your bank account number so that they can direct deposit the money that they owe you. 🤑
Absolutely! The Tooth Fairy is the thin edge of depravity! One day it's selling a tooth for a dollar, next day its killing kids for their kidneys for the illegal market in body parts!
Unlike the myth ofJesus, the myth of Santa Clause is based on a person who actually existed (Saint Nicholas). So there is more physical evidence of Santa than Jesus.
There is historical evidence for Jesus' existence, so Jesus that we know was also inspired by a real person.
@@aim3k249 Well I am not convinced. There is evidence of "messiah"s a hundred years BC or so. Nobody from 1~50CE wrote about an actual person that could have matched what the gospels claimed decades later, although there is evidence that Christians existed. The final story (and doctrine) about Jesus wasn't settled until centuries later. If someone does come up with some hard or convincing evidence that Jesus existed during that time frame it will be huge news and they will be celebrated world-wide.
@@aim3k249false. Show evidence for your claim.
@@aim3k249
What “evidence”?
@@aim3k249 "There is historical evidence for Jesus' existence" - Post some... I'll wait.
Just wanna say that I appreciate you guys and the care that you take with these callers. People who are doubtful need to know that yes, there is life without religion, there's decency, there's an exchange of ideas, and the journey of letting go of the security blanket that many of us held on to for so long can be difficult and scary. It's important there's someone on the other side to welcome them. I didn't have that when I gave up my belief, and it was super hard. Keep up the good work.
Funny how the words liberal and liberty have the same root meaning and there is a statue in NY Harbour to attest to the principle that self professed patriots rail against.
fuck me the autofelatio in these lame ass echo chambers.
@22:10 if a god's message were absolute and consistent, there would be no "branches" or denominations. That, in itself should be a hint.
It didn't take the Mormon church long to splinter, both under Joseph Smith and Brigham Young, and it's a new church. The Puritans were the same. You're wrong, because I'm right is standard christian fare. 🇦🇺
Why are you an Atheist?
@@tylerdyson8410 Why do you ask questions where you don't care about the answer?
@@tylerdyson8410
No original thoughts, just copy paste?
@@tylerdyson8410 Why do you love and worship a deity that condoned father and daughter incest?
No evidence. Next?
The evidence is abundant; it's only fools that can't see it or purposely ignore it. It's a scientific fact that the finite universe can't bring itself into existence, because it didn't exist beforehand THUS, the universe depends on not another finite cause, but an infinite cause to come into existence. Further evidence is that it's a scientific fact that finite nature had a beginning, according to not a few physicists. Once nature was created, the 2nd law caused it to decay, and that means the universe is finite, will eventually be destroyed, didn't exist and needs an infinite cause to exist. We also know the universe is finite, because it's also a scientific fact that the sun & all stars will eventually burn out, having exhausted all usable energy. If the universe were infinite, all the stars would have burned out 100+ trillion yrs ago, collapsed upon themselves and there would be nothing but dust today.
Try to learn what I'm teaching you before it's too late (when your temporary free will expires at your last gasp on earth and you go to an eternal hell - wishing you had never been born). YOU CAN’T AFFORD TO GET THIS WRONG. Because 100+ trillion yrs from the moment you enter hell, it won’t even be the start of eternity! For now, you and every facet of your asinine, lost & clueless cult of atheism are hereby debunked (e.g. multiverse, big bang, abiogenesis, mistakes (mutations) gaining in complexity/new information, evolution, gain of complexity/gain of new information/new anatomy).
FIN
P.S. - There are so many brilliant people in the world and none of them are atheists. Atheists are aggressively foolish. The stupidity is vast. Atheists desperately believe in things nobody has ever seen (e.g. big bang, abiogenesis, mistakes (mutations) gaining in complexity/new information, new anatomy differing from ancestry/evolution) and they also desperately believe that in “natural processes” when NOTHING of nature can produce the human being (e.g. star dust, moist rocks, mud puddles, hot rocks, moon dirt, warm ponds, gravity, oceans, primordial soup, nothing).
NOTHING of the asinine, lost & clueless atheist cult is POSSIBLE & NONE OF IT can be EMPIRICALLY OBSERVED IN REAL TIME (e.g. multiverse, big bang, abiogenesis, mistakes (mutations) gaining in complexity/new information, evolution).
NOTHING but TRUE NATURE can be EMPIRICALLY OBSERVED IN REAL TIME (e.g. flower bloom, reproduction, photosynthesis, digestion, respiration, top down production, gravity, sunshine). THAT is the litmus test for true reality regarding the truth (God, Creation, The Bible).
When we follow the evidence there is no new anatomy/evolution. By that fact, I can predict that all human offspring on the entire earth from this moment on, will only have the same anatomy as the entirety of their ancestry.
All these IRREFUTABLE FACTS totally destroy every facet of the asinine, lost & clueless atheist cult that's been debunked for centuries and remains totally debunked today in every detail that's tested, measured & observed in REAL TIME by the Scientific Method.
@@neverendingparty7741 Show us the evidence that your god exists WITHOUT using the bible. *The bible is the claim, NOT evidence.*
@@neverendingparty7741 👈👈👈 absolute proof that the bible g0d cannot possibly exist.
@@holgerlubotzki3469 DO NOT judge knowledge by your almost total lack of it. Are you really this stupid? God wrote the Bible. The Bible proves to be the Word of God w/ it's 2500 fulfilled prophecies regarding Jesus and the next 500 that Jesus hasn't fulfilled yet, NOT TO MENTION that the Bible has plenty of science in it’s 66 books. It mentions the effect of a nuke on the human body, the 2nd law, the fact that God created time/space/matter/energy, that circumcision is done on the 8th day, just like doctors do today. The earth is round and the fact that the Universe is expanding:
”He alone STRETCHES OUT the heavens and treads on the waves of the sea.” Job 9:8.
” … who STRETCHES OUT the heavens like a curtain, and SPREADS THEM like a tent to live in.” - Isaiah 40:22
The Bible is all fact. However, hell is full of intelligent fools. Maybe you're just desperate to be the boss, instead of God; so you don't want God to exist. All atheists are liars (Romans 1:20), so I refuse to ask you any questions and hope for the truth.
The "ignorant people" of 3,500 yrs ago didn't have the knowledge to write what's in the Bible. The Bible is a record of observation that's written by God himself. If you think the Bible wasn't observed and documented by God, then you are poorly educated as there is more evidence for the Bible then any other historical writings. God wrote the Bible & used mankind to pen it. You actually think God would depend on weak stupid humans to think up and print his Word? That we'd be judged on "Judgement Day" by what men wrote and not what God wrote?
God promised that he'd preserve his Word and he did (Psalm 11:6-7). The Bible is proved by it's fulfillment or prophecy & the fact that no goat herder of 3,500 yrs ago could know the content we find in the Bible. You have a lot to learn and you’re basically starting from the point of abject atheist idiocy.
There are so many brilliant people in the world and none of them are atheists. Atheists are aggressively foolish. The stupidity is vast. Atheists desperately believe in things nobody has ever seen (e.g. big bang, abiogenesis, mistakes (mutations) gaining in complexity/new information, new anatomy differing from ancestry/evolution) and they also desperately believe that in “natural processes” when NOTHING of nature can produce the human being (e.g. star dust, moist rocks, mud puddles, hot rocks, moon dirt, warm ponds, gravity, oceans, primordial soup, nothing).
NOTHING of the asinine, lost & clueless atheist cult is POSSIBLE & NONE OF IT can be EMPIRICALLY OBSERVED IN REAL TIME (e.g. multiverse, big bang, abiogenesis, mistakes (mutations) gaining in complexity/new information, evolution).
NOTHING but TRUE NATURE can be EMPIRICALLY OBSERVED IN REAL TIME (e.g. flower bloom, reproduction, photosynthesis, digestion, respiration, top down production, gravity, sunshine). THAT is the litmus test for true reality regarding the truth (God, Creation, The Bible).
When we follow the evidence there is no new anatomy/evolution. By that fact, I can predict that all human offspring on the entire earth from this moment on, will only have the same anatomy as the entirety of their ancestry.
All these IRREFUTABLE FACTS totally destroy every facet of the asinine, lost & clueless atheist cult that's been debunked for centuries and remains totally debunked today in every detail that's tested, measured & observed in REAL TIME by the Scientific Method.
@@Ghalaghor_McAllistor DO NOT use your brain, but show me the evidence. That's a clear perspective as to how stupid you are. The Bible is the proof, but when you're a person that ignores the truth, there's no convincing to be done. Don't waste my time again.
The fact no one religious can get any God to even bother to show up consistently is all the evidence needed to prove there's no God capable of that feat
What do you mean "consistently"?
Wouldn't once be more than any religion has ever done?
Yes "consistently", once would not be enough
@mrsatire9475 If a god appeared once it would be better than anything any religion has ever done.
I'm not defending religion, I'm simply saying that asking for one to appear consistently isn't something you should ask for when one has never appeared at all.
@@sandersson2813 once would not be enough
@@sandersson2813 they always shriek that God only had to show up once as Jesus to get killed and that's all the "evidence" "proof" or whatever they think is good enough to blindly follow
As an agnostic I completely know there are possibilities in this universe that I can’t even begin to fathom.
That being said, I find no divinity in the many of the so called “holy” texts I’ve given myself the time to examine.
Why are you not an atheist?
Dear Theists
Rather than arguments, bring bring the best/strongest evidence that you have that proves your deity exists tonight on QC's live livestream.
I give you my word that if you engage with my honestly and with integrity i will do the same.
I didn't pay Carl to not come on to my live stream, since he thinks that his tremendous bigly arguments would be so devastating to the show.
He also says that he doesn't go on live streams.
So he wants to be paid to not do the thing that he wasn't going to do??? OK. Sure. Someone please pay me not to go to church. 😂😂😂
He's such an idiot. He doesn't even know what he's saying.
I'll add this: It's a scientific fact that the finite universe can't bring itself into existence, because it didn't exist beforehand THUS, the universe depends on not another finite cause, but an infinite cause to come into existence. Further evidence is that it's a scientific fact that finite nature had a beginning, according to not a few physicists. Once nature was created, the 2nd law caused it to decay, and that means the universe is finite, will eventually be destroyed, didn't exist and needs an infinite cause to exist. We also know the universe is finite, because it's also a scientific fact that the sun & all stars will eventually burn out, having exhausted all usable energy. If the universe were infinite, all the stars would have burned out 100+ trillion yrs ago, collapsed upon themselves and there would be nothing but dust today.
Try to learn what I'm teaching you before it's too late (when your temporary free will expires at your last gasp on earth and you go to an eternal hell - wishing you had never been born). YOU CAN’T AFFORD TO GET THIS WRONG. Because 100+ trillion yrs from the moment you enter hell, it won’t even be the start of eternity! For now, you and every facet of your asinine, lost & clueless cult of atheism are hereby debunked (e.g. multiverse, big bang, abiogenesis, mistakes (mutations) gaining in complexity/new information, evolution, gain of complexity/gain of new information/new anatomy).
FIN
P.S. - There are so many brilliant people in the world and none of them are atheists. Atheists are aggressively foolish. The stupidity is vast. Atheists desperately believe in things nobody has ever seen (e.g. big bang, abiogenesis, mistakes (mutations) gaining in complexity/new information, new anatomy differing from ancestry/evolution) and they also desperately believe that in “natural processes” when NOTHING of nature can produce the human being (e.g. star dust, moist rocks, mud puddles, hot rocks, moon dirt, warm ponds, gravity, oceans, primordial soup, nothing).
NOTHING of the asinine, lost & clueless atheist cult is POSSIBLE & NONE OF IT can be EMPIRICALLY OBSERVED IN REAL TIME (e.g. multiverse, big bang, abiogenesis, mistakes (mutations) gaining in complexity/new information, evolution).
NOTHING but TRUE NATURE can be EMPIRICALLY OBSERVED IN REAL TIME (e.g. flower bloom, reproduction, photosynthesis, digestion, respiration, top down production, gravity, sunshine). THAT is the litmus test for true reality regarding the truth (God, Creation, The Bible).
When we follow the evidence there is no new anatomy/evolution. By that fact, I can predict that all human offspring on the entire earth from this moment on, will only have the same anatomy as the entirety of their ancestry.
All these IRREFUTABLE FACTS totally destroy every facet of the asinine, lost & clueless atheist cult that's been debunked for centuries and remains totally debunked today in every detail that's tested, measured & observed in REAL TIME by the Scientific Method.
@@neverendingparty7741
Do you have an original thought or are they all just copy pasted bullshite we’ve all refuted and debunked ad nauseam?
@@neverendingparty7741 Why do you add ANYTHING? You are too afraid, maybe even more than Carl, to talk to real atheists.
Your lack of scientific understanding and knowledge, allowing you to declare things as "irrefutable facts" doesn't count as evidence of anything. At best, it's an evidence of your stupidity and makes me wonder how there could be NO science requirements for chiropractice. Since you didn't lose your license because of your ignorance but rather your criminal dishonesty.
You lost on the arguments and evidence here. You couldn't even engage competently, much less defeat the evidence of Fine Tuning from Modern Cosmology, nor proof of a Contingent universe with a finite physical beginning.
You were reduced to floundering, evasion and lies as you were demolished under the weight of facts. Do you suddenly get better in that perverted creep QC's squalid little channel of lies?
Matthew 21:22 "If you believe, you will receive whatever you ask for in prayer.”
It only takes a few seconds of your time to test this claim.
Still wasted time. 😂🤣😂
Apologists cannot accept that the idea of an omnipotent and omniscient and omnibenevolent God does not square with the fact that the world is full of evil, gratuitous or otherwise. At the same time, they would say that God should exist for morality to have a foundation, and then targue that evil comes from human free will. But if evil can spring independently of God from humans, why can't goodness or morality arise from human free will independently of God as well? This is a very revolting attitude. It debases us humans.
Common sense.
Any ability to observe your surroundings.
Not being an infant.
There's 3 pretty good ones already. Feel free to tackle those and when you finish you can have more or just put your head down on your desk.
Exactly. The god concept is a relic from a past ignorant of the natural world. A sky daddy was the best placeholder. We’ve grown out of that. Well, some of us have at least. lol
"Ayn Rand's philosophy has changed thousands of lives, including my own, and has the power to change the course of history".
-Leonard Peikoff- Objectivist
@@BeefT-Sq using Ayn Rand with the word philosophy in the same sentence is the funniest thing i've read today. Was Star Wars also philosophy? Is JK Rowling the next big philosopher in this great line of genius
We may have grown out of that but the hope that intellectually derived idealogies would solve our problems has been proven wrong in the 20th century. We can't imagine our way out with God fantasies and we can't think out way out with idealogies.
@@snowflakemelter1172 it seems silly to think a world full of nations who are majority theist has rejected "god". looking at human history all of our greatest advancements were made pre and post Christian domination of scholarship and research, gee i wonder why?
You're making the mistake of thinking the 25% or so of people at the forefront of knowledge are who run things, they don't necessarily.
@marylandsteve5441 did you actually read what you wrote there ?
What a claim.
All our greatest advancement were made pre and post Alexander the great.
See how that's just a valid statement ?
Pre and post Christian...you just described all of humanity throughout time 😂
And think you've actually said something 😂
Arguments against a deity:
1. Being punished for using one's mind, supposedly created by said deity, to ask questions
2. Read number one again.
You're not being punished for thinking, you're being punished because your great great great (etc) grandmother ate the fruit of knowledge of good and evil. They gained the knowledge of the things they do that are wrong, and with it the consequences of "evil actions". You continue that long thread of "evil actions", in spite of your pure creation. I mean, reading the book explains the fucking book, I don't know why you idiots have such a hard fucking time with Christian Lore when it's been in print for fucking centuries. Seriously, actual centuries to study this shit, and you're all still screaming the theological equivalent of "If evolution is real then why are there still monkeys?"
That's how dumb your fucking arguments are, they are literally explained away if you read the damn book.
@@erisdiscordia5429 Yes. "Christian lore".
Thanks for confirming that it's fictional.
@@queuecee2 I did no such thing, but feel free to "believe" what you want. /yawn
@@erisdiscordia5429 OK. Thanks.
@@erisdiscordia5429
So you're not a Greek Pagan as you've implied elsewhere?
Great discussion all around. Very reasonable caller.
It makes me sad that most of humanity seems to need religion.😢
Do they need God as a scapegoat for their actions? Do they need fear of damnation to treat others well? Do they need a church to have community, or satisfy some tribalistic instinct?
I really don't understand people.
All of those things, but mostly they’re afraid to die so they simply don’t believe in death.
@kennybachman35
Not to disagree, but I can't fathom that at all🤷
@@dragonhealer7588 me neither, but that’s literally it. Their mommies and daddies convinced them that they’ll never die like their goldfish and cats and dogs and grandparents etc. and if they’re good little boys and girls and believe in this cult doctrine they’ll have everlasting life floating in the clouds with Jesus. And i tell you what, that scar sticks FOREVER with some of them. And a lot of them grow up to be murderers because they think they’re doing god’s work and sending people to heaven or hell respectively depending on their subjective opinion. 99.6% of the prison population is Christian. I’d wager even higher in the military, especially since church attendance is mandatory in the US military. You can be an atheist, but you’re still gonna go to church. They got special punishments for those who refuse.
@@dragonhealer7588 they’re indoctrinated as children. You can convince a child of anything. Some never grow out of it.
Why are you an Atheist?
Hey, Cross Examiner ... thank you so much for using the Idaho faith-healing law as an example! It's a horrible thing ... all brought to us by theists misapplying our separation of church and state principles.
Proof is for math and whiskey.
Show preponderance of evidence.
As a lover of both, I totally agree!
Why are you an Atheist?
"It's not predestined but god knew that it would happen." So it was predestined then.
Nah, watching your kid burn their hand on a hot stove isn't forcing your kid to burn their hand on a hot stove. It's letting it happen in spite of knowing it's going to happen.
Don't worry, though, your echo chamber will keep telling you that you're correct so you won't bother with critical thinking of your own.
@@erisdiscordia5429 Seriously? You are going to sit there and watch a kid burn their hands on a hot stove?
What else do you sit by and watch let happen? You'll just sit by and watch a kid get "touched" by some adult?
Wow!
@@queuecee2 Me? No.
God? Yes.
You? Assumptive, it's a good look..
@@erisdiscordia5429 How can he sit there and watch all that happen? Is it because it's predestined so he can't change it?
Or is it because he doesn't exist so he can't anything about what happens in reality?
@@queuecee2 Man, why are you people so scared of free will? Why does it, so often, come down to you people thinking sky daddy isn't being nice enough? What a stupid fucking reason to abandon a religion.
This is why you people didn't lose your faith. You just needed somewhere else to put it, so you found different books to believe and different prophets to quote. Praise Saint Dawkins, his dogma shall guide the worthy.
See, I'm not a Xian because I ate a shit ton of LSD. Not because of some whining bullshit. If you want the answers, they're in the damn book. You don't want the answers, though, you just want to whine, cry, complain, and feel like you're a "better person" than those irresponsible Christians. Because Your own personal values are blocking your eyes to the truth. Letting a kid burn his hand has zero fucking impact on the cosmos.
Humans have zero fucking impact on the cosmos. Heat Death will come. You will all be forgotten.
Your version of "morality" is as arbitrary as God's.
Hey Forest, I loved the rainbow wig. You should wear it more often. It looks good on you.
8:50
it is in authentic hadith and even for more than ones
Sahih Bukhari
"The Prophet married me when I was six years old and consummated the marriage with me when I was nine years old."
(Volume 7, Book 62, Hadith 64; Hadith 65)
Sahih Muslim
"I was six years old when the Prophet married me, and nine when the marriage was consummated."
(Book 8, Hadith 3311)
Sunan Abu Dawood
"The Messenger of Allah married me when I was seven years old, and consummated the marriage with me when I was nine years old."
(Book 41, Hadith 4915)
Jami` at-Tirmidhi
"The Messenger of Allah married me when I was six years old and consummated the marriage with me when I was nine years old."
(Book 6, Hadith 1027)
Musnad Ahmad ibn Hanbal
"The Prophet married me when I was six years old, and consummated the marriage with me when I was nine years old."
(Volume 6, Hadith 25182)
Sunan an-Nasa'i
Atheists are the best people in the world and better than some believers.
Change my mind.
I'm an atheist, but I know some decent believers and some R-soul atheist's. In general though, I agree with you. To me, a believer is always going to be a bit weird, however pleasant they might be. 🇦🇺😀👍
Believers that just keep it to themselves, I have no problem with, it’s when they start insisting I “need” their imaginary friend.
Thinking like that will only lead somewhere bad. Replace atheist and theist by any other group, and it should be clear why.
@@wwlib5390Who made that invitation?
Was it a god, or was it a man claiming it was from a god?
@@A15degreeperhourdrift When you receive that invitation into your heart and mind by faith in Christ you will have certainty on that question. Until that time, everything contained in the Bible will remain an unsolved mystery to you. I hope you will begin to be curious enough to seek Him with all your heart, mind, strength and soul - as tho it is indeed the most valuable and important journey of discovery you can make.
The usual debunked arguments:
Fine tuning - no constants or parameters have been demonstrated to be tuned or confirmed as independent of each other.
Anthropic principle / puddle reasoning (distinct from FTA) - relies on assuming that things are noticeably existent because they were intended to be rather than because they exist and were noticed.
KCA - relies on special pleading a particular something from nothing.
Contingency - relies on special pleading that contingency _always_ exists for _everything_ except whatever is claimed to be the original contingency.
Design - relies on comparing known human design with known lack of design then assuming everything unknown is designed.
Irreducible Complexity - still not demonstrated to exist.
Objective Moral Values - still not demonstrated ontologically. Nor that a god is required for them. Note that divine command morality is just divinely _subjective_ morality.
NDEs - basically another claim that personal experiences are true by default.
DNA as information - usually hampered by misrepresentation of the definition of information, often with the false claim of being wholly digital.
Existence of Consciousness/Intelligence - often falsely claimed to require themselves already existing in order to exist. Usually presented as a false dichotomy ignoring that both vary throughout an organism's existence.
Free Will - usually involves equivocation on what free will means and false dichotomies on determinism and randomness, sometimes with a composition fallacy.
Scripture Prophecy - usually a mix of statements not verifiable as prophecy, appeal to probability, and appeal to authority.
Pascal's Wager - an argument based on risks of afterlife reward/punishment in a false dichotomy between atheism and the arguer's religion (usually Christianity). Pascal's Roulette fits the actual pattern of people's beliefs.
Improbability - the claim that the odds are too high for something to occur by chance. Often uses false numbers and false models of the event. Expect the sharpshooter fallacy, lottery winner fallacy, a false dichotomy of randomness vs agency, and all manner of incredulity and ignorance.
Any rational discussions about these will be responded to in the comments.
You have fallacious incredulity so you will say all arguments for God are flawed. Denialism. Demented gay nerd.
"Objective Moral Values - still not demonstrated ontologically. Nor that a god is required for them. Note that divine command morality is just divinely subjective morality."
This is the argument I find the most interesting and often get into long discussions with folks who maintain objective moral values exist but couldn't exist without God. What is your best rsp if you are defending the position that objective moral values exist without God.
I usually get around to the position that IF objective moral values can't exist without God, then on what basis does anyone say, with conviction, that God is good?
@rizdekd3912
I tend to find most claiming such without a god are confusing epistemology, ie justification for moral actions, with ontology, ie where moral values come from.
Those that are claiming a god responsible for moral values cannot answer the questions you pose. They'll usually make an excuse not to answer or will throw accusations at you about your morality or honesty.
What do you mean DNA is not information? It codes for all our traits
@masego5217
Not only is a code not equivalent to information but DNA doesn't actually fully "code" given our traits depend on the environment.
DNA acts more like a recipe than a program.
A Muslim might be okay with a woman being flogged or worse for not wearing a hijab. That would be completely in line with quran, no punishment is stated but suffering and torment be expected Sura Al Ahzab (33) verse 36).
Another Muslim might hold that torturing a woman over head coverings is wrong.
Which should I believe?
The one not holding the scimitar.
Ignore them both and just respect the rights of women.
I agree with all the things you say but don't use fluoride in water as an example. Many countries do not put fluoride in water because of the risk of fluoride but rather just rely on fluoride in the toothpaste.
Putting chlorine in water would be a better example
Torn between "He's a good person, he should stay in that community and do some good there" and "He's a good person, why is he still in that community"
Chris Hansen: Mohammed,have a seat!
Best argument? There is no accepted definition of God. God believers are all over the place.
How can there be an accepted definition of any god? How many denominations, sects, splinter groups are there simply within the Christian faith? These people can't agree on anything. There's no standard in a myth. 🇦🇺👍😀
Why are you an Atheist?
@@tylerdyson8410 Why do you ask questions where you don't care about the answer?
@@tylerdyson8410
Why don’t you have any original questions that aren’t copy paste?
@@tylerdyson8410 Why do you love and worship a deity that slaughtered babies to punish their parents?
it’s called Santaism. Hail Santa!
Did you hear about the dyslexic devil worshipper?
He sold his soul to Santa.
One thing that always bugged me was the whole “hell” situation. Why would it be torment? Doesn’t Satan supposedly rule hell? Why would it be torture if you both defy god? I would think he would be happy to see you and add you to his “army” no?
Caller seems like a nice dude and pretty reasonable. If this was how everyone in religion behaved the world would be so much better
And if God just stands by as rape, murder, child abuse, etc. happens and watches it, and says "ah, human free will" without intervening, then he's an arsehole.
Why on Earth worship something so uncaringly cruel and evil as that?
"Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent.
Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent.
Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil?
Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?"
- Epicurus
If he is able but not willing, then he is malevolent. And not worthy of praise nor worship.
Also, I'd advise against getting your "absolute morality" from someone who is so clearly as psychopathic as this.
@@jaflenbond7854 Bejoording
See the wisdom, if every time atrocities caused by human free will, God prevent it, is it free will then?
Everyone live like robot? What the point of living?
While in atheist believe system all happen because of chain of reaction from previous action happen without starting cause, so there is no evil nor good. Everything just chain of event caused by previous one.
@@bonggasyawali1182 I'm pleased to see that you do not subscribe to the concept of original sin. Very moral of you.
@@holgerlubotzki3469 The LIVES, DIGNITIES, and EXISTENCE of HUMAN BEINGS are clearly of no worth, value, and importance
to
Atheists, Jehovah's Witnesses, SDAs, Mormons, Catholics, Baptists, Methodists, Born Again Christians, Muslims, Buddhists, Hindus, and fanatics of all kinds of Religions
who
are all obviously unbothered, remorseless, and just don't care even if their Satanic hatred, arrogance, treacheries, cruelties, hypocrisies, ungratefulness, unkindness, deceits, and -
1. Satanic LIE and false claim that GOD doesn't exist
and
2. Satanic LIES and false teachings and doctrines about "hellfire", "Armageddon", "Trinity", "afterlife", "immortality of the souls", "rapture", and "reincarnation"
bring
them dishonor, disgrace, shame, and cause their own downfall and ETERNAL DEATHS and the humiliations, degradations, sufferings, pains, griefs, sickness, and DEATHS of their own families and neighbors.
ATHEISM and ALL KINDS of RELIGIONS are clearly WORTHLESS and USELESS, NO VALUE WHATSOEVER
because
the loving, kind, and merciful Creator's favor and reward of ETERNAL LIFE and existence on earth without sufferings, pains, griefs, sickness, and death as written in Revelation 21: 3, 4
is
ONLY for LOVING, KIND, RESPECTFUL, and SUBMISSIVE persons on earth
who
rejected Atheism, Christianity, Islam, Hinduism, Buddhism, and all kinds of Religions as worthless and useless, no value whatsoever
and
willingly submit instead to the authority of Jesus Christ in their obedience to what's written in Matthew 28: 18
and
the teachings of Jesus Christ about the "Kingdom of God" and "Resurrection of the Dead" written in Luke 4: 43 and John 11: 25, 26
are
NOT for Atheists, Christians, Muslims, Buddhists, Hindus, and fanatics of Religions too
but
ONLY for LOVING, KIND, RESPECTFUL, and SUBMISSIVE persons on earth
who
died recently and thousands of years ago like Abel, Noah, Abraham, Sarah, Isaac, Jacob, Moses, Job, Naomi, Ruth, King David, Jesus Christ's Followers and disciples, and many others
who
are all worthy and deserving of being RESURRECTED back to life in the right and proper time so they can happily and abundantly live and exist on earth forever and fully enjoy the eternal love, kindness, goodness, generosities, compassions, favors, and blessings of the Creator and his Christ for eternity
as
submissive and obedient subjects of the "KINGDOM of GOD"
under
the loving and kind rulership, guidance, and protection of Jesus Christ as the Creator's Chosen King and Ruler of the heavens and the earth as written in Revelation 11: 15.
@@jaflenbond7854 Parachilna
"Militant"?
When idiotic trolls don't know meaning of words, such as "militant". Thinks it's when people respond to their favorite Christian trolls.
And don't know what "paternalistic" means. Or what "misogynistic" means, so pretends that their imaginary "wife" is the one who doesn't know it. An imaginary wife who calls someone queer for no reason, but is not homophobic, because the idiot troll claims that wives cannot be homophobic. 🤦♂
There's DEFINITELY something wrong here.
He also clearly doesn't know what "homophobic slur" means.
@@Beacon80That’s why you get pegged by your gay partner QC with those XL ribbed toys.
A radicalised tactical-militant atheist Nationalist propagandist. QC the demented coomer.
@queuecee I don't think he's even slightly aware of how he just demonstrated my point.
@@Beacon80 Did I “demonstrate your point” without slight awareness? 😂 wow Beacon you’re really good with those pointless words. Have you been practicing putting words together again?
There are zero, ZERO coherent definitions of a god that are worthy of the label god. All of the common god things bandied about are demonstrably fallacious and in that sense there are no gods.
DO NOT judge knowledge by your almost total lack of it. There are so many brilliant people in the world and none of them are atheists. Atheists are aggressively foolish. The stupidity is vast. Atheists desperately believe in things nobody has ever seen (e.g. big bang, abiogenesis, mistakes (mutations) gaining in complexity/new information, new anatomy differing from ancestry/evolution) and they also desperately believe that in “natural processes” when NOTHING of nature can produce the human being (e.g. star dust, moist rocks, mud puddles, hot rocks, moon dirt, warm ponds, gravity, oceans, primordial soup, nothing).
NOTHING of the asinine, lost & clueless atheist cult is POSSIBLE & NONE OF IT can be EMPIRICALLY OBSERVED IN REAL TIME (e.g. multiverse, big bang, abiogenesis, mistakes (mutations) gaining in complexity/new information, evolution).
NOTHING but TRUE NATURE can be EMPIRICALLY OBSERVED IN REAL TIME (e.g. flower bloom, reproduction, photosynthesis, digestion, respiration, top down production, gravity, sunshine). THAT is the litmus test for true reality regarding the truth (God, Creation, The Bible).
When we follow the evidence there is no new anatomy/evolution. By that fact, I can predict that all human offspring on the entire earth from this moment on, will only have the same anatomy as the entirety of their ancestry.
All these IRREFUTABLE FACTS totally destroy every facet of the asinine, lost & clueless atheist cult that's been debunked for centuries and remains totally debunked today in every detail that's tested, measured & observed in REAL TIME by the Scientific Method.
@@neverendingparty4832Still LOL at you, god-boi. How many times are you going to dig the same ridiculous christian supstitionist nonsense out of your colon? Does doing that turn you on?
@@exceptionallyaverage3075 He's back to entertain all the atheists, an even theists, with his pigeon chessmaster schtick. 😂😂
@@neverendingparty4832 "DO NOT judge knowledge by your almost total lack of it."
Projection...
And look you SPAMMED the same stupid stuff yet again...
you are a retread...
@@ChallengeYourBeliefs 🤣
Im curious, what jurisprudence is it regrding the medical neglect and using religion as an excuse?
This (particularly the last half of the video) is exactly I've heard many friends say things like "i know i still follow the teachings of Jesus, but i don't think i can call myself christian anymore"
The only point I disagree with Forrest on is around the 5-minute mark when he said that the Abrahamic god drowned everybody in part because they didn't love it enough. It didn't demand love, not once during Genesis. Only worship, obedience and fear, to the point where the book says 'god-fearing' over and over but never 'god-loving'. The book (Koran and Torah as well) doesn't even try to portray it as demanding of love by its own words, only from the proselytizing of others. The adherents try to make their grotesque deity more appealing than the books that describe it.
Great call guys, keep it up!
Actually, that's not the right part. That's the point he made in regards to god making hell, not for the flood.
@@magnatcleo2043 4:57 "Drowning the whole world in a flood because some people misbehaved and didn't love him enough..."
@@AtlasJotun I see I missed it, but it's rather easy to miss the minor details when he starts talking faster. However, at the end of the day, it doesn't matter. God flooding the world and killing nearly all life on it is not good, regardless of what his reason is.
In other words, you're missing the point of him bringing up the flood.
@@magnatcleo2043 So I point out the specific statement I was referring to, you concede that I was referencing what I meant to (Forrest was certainly on a roll by then, easy enough to lose that remark among everything else he was saying!), but then switch to arguing that I missed the point. There's just no pleasing some people :D
In all seriousness though, I was agreeing with the sentiment that he expressed just prior to the example I quoted, which was that it's an abhorrent monster. I was just nitpicking, partly for the mere sake of 'engagement'. And look at all this engagement you and I have now drummed up; all hail the algorithm!
Have a great day!
@@AtlasJotun Wow, that was a reaction and a half. I was going to say more, but reading all of that has deflated any desire to talk with you further.
Reason, observation of the natural world, psychology, evolutionary psychology, research, science, deduction, common sense, fact-based evidence in the origins of religion, religious texts, and the millions upon millions of failed attempts of theists to prove the existence of a god … et. al.
Why are you an Atheist?
@@tylerdyson8410 Why do you ask questions where you don't care about the answer?
@@tylerdyson8410 Why do you love and worship a g0d that slaughtered infants to punish their parent?
If god were an elected position, would you re-elect the current one?
That's a good question!
@@richardcooper9167 Is it? Which god is he asking about? "The current one" would at least refer to all gods that are currently actively being worshiped. Which, funny enough, includes old Norse gods due to resurfacing of paganism and wicca-beliefs.
@@cy-one yes it is
@@cy-one any of them???
God is God because he is the creator
No arguement needed. If you have never proven somethings existence there is no need to disprove it.
When one accepts a 'belief' which defies logic and is irrational, one learns to accept irrationality and illogical thinking as the norm.
Easy. Lack of evidence.
Why are you an Atheist?
@@tylerdyson8410
Why do you copy paste the same handful of questions when it’s obvious you don’t actually care about the answer?
I’m working on an argument against omniscience by virtue of experiential knowledge is unknowable to an omniscient being who has not had the experience contained in the propositional claim that describes the experience. If the experiential claim is unknowable, then an omniscient being may not know what knowable experiential claims are missing from the set of all knowable propositions. If God has not experienced what it’s like to be me, then what it’s like to be me is unknowable to that being. If what it’s like to be me is unknowable to that being, then I have no reason to believe God knows what it’s like to be me.
Not even a rational beginning do you have on the topic. With your FINITE mind, you're trying to say that you can describe an INFINITE mind. No can do, kid. You have a lot to learn.
@ that’s such a convincing rebuttal. What exactly is an INFINITE mind? I hope it’s not a meaningless statement that has no descriptive power.
@@neverendingparty7741
Luckily this is just a philosophical thought experiment since the concept of a "God" referenced is evidently nonexistent, aka "not REAL", same as the mythological "God" character in the book of historical fantasy fiction called the Buy-Bull.
@@Soylent1981 You're further parading your ignorance by your question. You're now asking me with my FINITE mind to describe an INFINITE mind. You need to start all over again & learn the basics, but I'm sure you'll find that foreign also, but that's the reality for the lost & clueless.
@@neverendingparty7741
Hey “expert theologian”, how many books of the Bible are there, and which faith and denomination within Christianity is the correct one?
Hint: It’s not 66.
I have one for God as an atheist.
Here, check it.
If there is no God, then there is no Satan, and if there is no Satan there is no evil.
Evil exists, therefore God exists.
Thank God for atheism 🙏
Peace Love Empathy From Australia 🤠
Here's what you said in a _modus tollens_ syllogism:
*P1:* If God does not exist, then Satan does not exist.
*P2:* If Satan does not exist, then evil does not exist.
*P3:* Evil exists.
*Conclusion:* Therefore, God exists.
So I guess all the evil things that the trolls here post is so that they can demonstrate that their creator of evil exists.🤷♂
Great. I can't figure out if you just proved that man is God, or Satan.🎉
"Evil exists" - Broken premise. Concepts like "good" and "evil" are relative and essentially opinions. The greatest good and highest evil all pass with the last human.
@@XMeK Even if concepts like good and evil are relative and subjective, they do exist. His point wasn't about some greatest good and highest evil.
And Smochy's argument is really an internal critique of the Christian god belief.
@XMeK
Impeccable.👍
With great power comes great responsibility.
With ALL power comes ALL responsibility.
Side note:
Therefore, people who feel like everything is their fault, are narcissists. For you to think everything is your fault, you have to believe everything is in your power.
Who is the host and who’s the cohost Mr. examiner?
It seems that Damonkey boy is falling apart because I pointed out how he constantly white knights for the toddler bigot.😂😂😂 Look at his knee jerk response to anyone even mentioning me.🤣
My threads are full of these two helping each other cope.🤣
I'm glad Damon stands up for toddlers. All degenerate reprobates like you need to keep your hands off the children.
@@EdithBromfeld
Projecting I see.
@@EdithBromfeldYou don't have the guts to say your filthy lies to my face. Coward. Keep flapping your gum from the safety of your keyboard.
Speech fillers that should be banned: I mean, like, ya know, right, blah blah blah.
Are you pretty good at managing filler words? If you called in, would people complain that you use filler words?
It can be annoying, but it is part of how some people communicate.
Pointless complaints in yt comments should be banned.
Replies to pointless complaints should be banned. I should be banned like you know and so on. Ban me. Do it.
I'm an agnostic atheist myself and long time enjoyer of this show, but frankly I don't buy it when these hosts or anyone says that if the god of the bible existed they wouldn't obey him.
Really? If the god of the bible was proven to be real and the consequence of defying him was proven to be eternal horrific punishment you'd stick to that? I don't believe that for a moment.
I agree with them that the god of the bible is an asshole if he's real and hell is real, but I'd be lying if I said I wouldn't do just about anything to avoid eternal horrific torture. We're talking about ETERNITY here, people.
It's easy to say you wouldn't worship him when you don't think he's real, but you're kidding yourself if you truly think your tune wouldn't change if you found out hell was real.
Thing is, if God was real then he would know how I would feel about his moral character whether or not I pretend to worship him or not. And I would go to hell either way. So I might just say what I sincerely believe because the outcome will be the same.
@@TheAlecPowers if the God of the Bible was proven to exist it would be so corrupt and self contradictory you couldn't trust it or even know how to obey if you wanted to
Well, we would pretend to worship him and if he was all knowing, he would know.
If your parent(s) acted in the same manner as the deity described, would you continue to associate with your parent(s) and give them eternal praise?
Given that the biblical god isn't presented as actually omniscient, omnipotent, or omnibenevolent, it's a difficult question to answer.
If the biblical god can be deceived then, if real, pretending to worship them can work. If not then it's irrelevant.
My personal best argument to denigrate (not disprove) any god is that if there is a god, they created all of this on purpose. An omniscient, omnipowerful being could have created a literal heaven and just skipped the entire "life on earth" part. The part with disease, suffering, and death. The part where living beings have to feed off each other. Just skip straight to heaven. Living in complete harmony with each other in bliss. Now why wouldn't someone prefer to create that?
Great call, especially for one that started with, "this could be a troll."
Remember to report the AXP troll QC for their abusive behaviour. They will not leave people like JEdith and Apot alone. Homophobic slurs and doxxing videos.
He's a weird one alright. Who makes videos and spends hours talking about someone every day like that?
@@Atreyu-81 For QC this comment section is his life and mission, his hugbox with his friends, which his whole world hinges upon and documents and makes videos about, that he’d collapse without.
@@damonkenny3444 He's the poster atheist for The Autistic Experience. 😂
@@Atreyu-81 Yep he makes smear videos about me, tags me, and then deletes my comments if try to respond. And blocks me from them. And he deletes and reposts giant paragraphs about me, if I try to dispute what he says.
@@Atreyu-81 He can’t handle that accountability where the person he is smearing might try to defend themselves from his malicious lies. Censorship is his only weapon.
Can't sense god in any way (5 senses).... but that is not proof of non-existence.
You can't sense the evidence that you own me money, in any way.
But that is no proof, that you don't own me money.
Do you see the problem here?
@@vertigo4236 Yes, you just proved my point lol
@@petrospetroupetrou9653 he proved your point made no difference one way or the other
@@petrospetroupetrou9653
"Yes, you just proved my point lol"
Not really.
You see, a decently intelligent person would have noticed the flaw in that logic.
You are not that person...
Correct. But, while absence of evidence is not evidence of absence, it also isn't proof of anything, so the most logical thing to do is to not believe in the claims made until evidence is presented.
350 days and still not a single convincing reason to believe in the existence of any god, gods, demigods, souls, spirits, magic or other divine or supernatural beings.
Will nobody break this fail streak?
Doesn’t look like it.
The only good thing about religion is one can look at human mentality, manifest as "God", from ancient times. Whatever man IS, is pawned off as God.
The stuff that happens to animals happens to humans, so do animals pray to a god(s) or is there no gods?
It is nice to hear a moderate thiest have the skills to be able to advance the discussion.
All gods ever proposed are mere mental concepts. Never has any gods been presented in a manner that distinguishes from a mere mental concept.
Now, add all the reasons humans throughout history and cultures organize around religions and invent gods.
I have a very simple probability argument, Of course either god exists or doesn't exist, so the probability of god existing is either 1 or 0.
However, we can use probability of past events that are unknown.
The probability of a coin toss is based on the probability space, which maps the number of possibilities which always sum to 1. As we have two possibilities "heads" or "tails" which are roughly equally probable, the probability of each outcome is 1/ the number of possible outcomes, or 0.5.
With a dice of six equal sides, the probability of each outcome is 1/6.
So to work out the probability of god we have to work out the probability space and the reciprocal will be the actual probability that we live in a universe created by god.
How many ways to do we know that a universe can be created with a god and how many ways do we know that universe can be created without a god.
The answer is zero and zero, So we have to think of it another way. Based on our knowledge, how many ways should we assume a universe can be created with and without god. Our knowledge is limited, so we should assume the answer is infinite and infinite. So 1/2*infinity =0.
I prefer to think not of gods, but of god-stories, since religions tend not to be basted on a non-specific god, but on a collection of stories about a specific god.
How many possible god stories are there? I think there are an infinite number of god possibilities. Therefore even if we hold that a god actually exists, the chances of any particular god story being true tends to zero.
Then we have no reason to doubt that the number of possible ways a universe can start without a god is also infinite.
So, as far as I know, the chances of say the Chrisitian god as described in the bible is true is 1 divided by the addition of number of possible god stories and the number ways a universe can began without a god. That is a very small number.
Theists love for you to argue about God rather than challenging their beliefs directly. First present YOUR beliwf and why i should care about it. Now we've got a real thing to argue about.
Let's for one moment give these theists the benefit of the doubt that there is a higher power controlling this universe. How can they be absolutely certain that there is one controlling deity and not several?
He just agreed that the Abrahamic god (the God of the old testament) depicts a monster, but then goes on to somehow exempt HIS version of that same god from any such failings.
How do you believe in the God of the Bible if you don't believe in the Bible?
Taking fluoride out of the water will make kids loose their teeth? I suppose if you actively remove it perhaps thats not good, but most countries dont add fluoride to drinking water. Example: Scandinavia. And spoiler - our kids are not loosing their teeth.
Could God create a God more powerful than himself?
If yes, he’s not as powerful as he could be. If not, his power is limited.
While I respect and appreciate Ibrahim's honest and pleasant nature, his position begs the question. If you understand and agree with almost everything the hosts are saying and disagree with every negative aspect of your own scripture, then wtf DO you believe in and WHY?
My neighbor exclaimed that god was so great and worthy of praise. He knows I am a non-theist and so I exclaimed that no space ghost was more worthy of non-acknowledgement than the most high nothingness of non-existence and we laughed.
Could someone please explain to me why anyone would devote their lives arguing against something they don’t believe in
Let me first pose a question to you; Do you think that Atheism is unique in that they are the only group of people throughout history who have devoted significant time and energy advocating against a belief they believed was wrong/harmful?
This is not even a difficult question. We don't believe God exists, but we are arguing against Christianity, an ideology that 100% of people would agree exists. Some non-believers genuinely enjoy talking and debating science and religion, and it can be a source of income , which is a perfectly legitimate reason by itself.
@ Why do atheists care tho if we all came from random meaningless processes and we are all gonna just cease to exist. Make it make sense..
@ How did the Big Bang explode into consciousness. How isn’t that a miracle? Everything works plus we have this special ability to reason and choose what we desire. How does all that come from nothingness that exploded?
@@PureLuck719 Christianity teaches to love people and teaches forgiveness, how is it wrong/harmful?
@@BJtheMountaineerguy They hate God that’s why
"How are you?" "Never had a bad day." Wait, what?! How?!?! Almost every day is bad for me! A good day is one where I DON'T think about taking my life, and that's rare!
Please try to get some help with your thoughts. I believe you have value and can bring goodness into this world.
@Earthling247 I don't see how. Being alive means pain. Life would be far easier if I didn't have to work to survive. My job pushes me closer to the edge. 😓
@ambriasaunders1869 I too unfortunately have many many problems and troubles. I just hope we all find some happiness and contentment in this life. I truly wish you well.
@Earthling247 In my experience, optimism and hope only lead to pain and disappointment. 😓
@ yes I feel that, please speak with someone qualified to provide assistance. I am definitely not qualified to help much, but I really hope things start going more to your liking. 🫶
Dude created his own version of Islam.
Like every believer did for every religion ever.
It's interesting that he agrees with everything.
Oh my goodness. You guys crack me up. "Should we pass laws because Santa Claus said to?" What if Santa's law would say don't steal or murder? Would you want Santa's law passed there? What if Santa's law says you're not allowed to lie maliciously? Is that a good law to make? What if I told you that there is a system of law in practice today that was based on Santa's law and you all already agree that Santa's law is good? Would that make you rethink your position?
We would pass laws not to steal or murder not BECAUSE Santa said it.
You don't seem to understand this point.
If the only reason you didn't kill someone was because you wanted Santa to not put you on the naughty list, please, PLEASE keep believing in Santa.
@@queuecee2 Why are you assuming that to be my only reason to follow Santa's law? Moreover, you're making a false premise that secularists don't do things out of obedience. You also didn't answer any of the questions and you also have to answer why choosing to follow any type of law is objectively good. Don't try to disengage with villification and mockery. Either deal with the argument or step away and take the L
@@queuecee2 You also have to explain to me why we shouldn't follow Santa's law when these are the things that Santa's law teaches and you likely agree that these are good things. Even if Santa isn't real but his law teaches all of the things you agree are good why wouldn't you follow it? That seems silly to me
Master-class.
I'd like to have heard more from the caller - hosts should try to avoid repeating themselves so much. The caller's beliefs seem a better version of Islam than some but we didn't hear how he rejects things like the hadith & the holy status of Mohammad.
Santa’s rules are more fair… if we had to listen to a magical being..
How is that hadith not authentic? It's sahih hadith. Sahih literally means authentic. Is he a Shia Muslim cuz most Shias reject hadiths and they're mostly Qur'anists.
Otherwise, it's sahih according to their own source, al-Bukhari and Sahih Muslim where Aisha herself narrated that situation, especially how old she was and still playing with dolls
Settle down folks. Atheism isn't about disproving God, or proving something else either.
I don't see how anyone can say what, if anything, exists outside this physical existence. All the claims of a god making itself known in this physical existence are suspect and contradictory. I can't say no gods exist, but I haven't seen any evidence to say one does exists.
The LIE
and
claim that GOD doesn't exist and LIES and false teachings and doctrines about "hellfire", "Armageddon", "Trinity", "afterlife", "immortality of the souls", "rapture", and "reincarnation"
are
clearly the Satanic LIES, tricks, and deceits
that
definitely bring and cause the dishonor, disgrace, shame, downfall and ETERNAL DEATHS
of
Atheists, Jehovah's Witnesses, SDAs, Mormons, Catholics, Methodists, Baptists, Born Again Christians, Muslims, Buddhists, Hindus, and fanatics of all kinds of Religions
who
are all obviously lied to, tricked, deceived, and murdered by Satan the Devil, the Father of LIES and Murderer of Human beings as written in John 8: 44.
The TRUTH
is
ATHEISM and ALL KINDS of RELIGIONS are WORTHLESS and USELESS, NO VALUES WHATSOEVER
because
the loving, kind, and merciful Creator's favor and reward of ETERNAL LIFE and existence on earth without sufferings, pains, griefs, sickness, and death as written in Revelation 21: 3, 4
is
ONLY for LOVING, KIND, RESPECTFUL, and SUBMISSIVE persons on earth
who
rejected Atheism, Christianity, Islam, Hinduism, Buddhism, and all kinds of Religions as worthless and useless, no value whatsoever
and
willingly submit instead to the authority of Jesus Christ in their obedience to what's written in Matthew 28: 18
and
the teachings of Jesus Christ about the "Kingdom of God" and "Resurrection of the Dead" written in Luke 4: 43 and John 11: 25, 26
are
NOT for Atheists, Christians, Muslims, Buddhists, Hindus, and fanatics of Religions too
but
ONLY for LOVING, KIND, RESPECTFUL, and SUBMISSIVE persons on earth
who
died recently and thousands of years ago like Abel, Noah, Abraham, Sarah, Isaac, Jacob, Moses, Job, Naomi, Ruth, King David, Jesus Christ's Followers and disciples, and many others
who
are all worthy and deserving of being RESURRECTED back to life in the right and proper time so they can happily and abundantly live and exist on earth forever as submissive and obedient subjects of the "KINGDOM of GOD"
and
fully enjoy the eternal love, kindness, goodness, generosities, compassions, favors, and blessings of the Creator and his Christ for eternity under the loving and kind rulership, guidance, and protection of Jesus Christ as the Creator's Chosen King and Ruler of the heavens and the earth as written in Revelation 11: 15.
@@jaflenbond7854 Ewlyamartup
@@jaflenbond7854
🤣🤣🤣 ما قلته هو براز الثور.
@@albaniahenry-franklin2829 LIES, DISHONOR and ETERNAL DEATHS versus TRUTHS, HONOR and ETERNAL LIFE and EXISTENCE on EARTH
The LIE
and
false claim that GOD doesn't exist and LIES and false teachings about "hellfire", "Armageddon", "Trinity", "afterlife", "immortality of the souls", "rapture", and "reincarnation"
are
clearly the Satanic LIES, tricks, and deceits of Atheists and Pastors and Leaders of Religions
that
definitely bring and cause the dishonor, disgrace, shame, downfall and ETERNAL DEATHS
of
Atheists, Jehovah's Witnesses, SDAs, Mormons, Catholics, Methodists, Baptists, Born Again Christians, Muslims, Buddhists, Hindus, and fanatics of all kinds of Religions
who
are all obviously lied to, tricked, deceived, and murdered by Satan the Devil, the Father of LIES and Murderer of Human beings as written in John 8: 44.
The TRUTH
is
ATHEISM and ALL KINDS of RELIGIONS are WORTHLESS and USELESS, NO VALUE WHATSOEVER
because
the loving, kind, and merciful Creator's favor and reward of ETERNAL LIFE and existence on earth without sufferings, pains, griefs, sickness, and death as written in Revelation 21: 3, 4
is
ONLY for LOVING, KIND, RESPECTFUL, and SUBMISSIVE persons on earth
who
rejected Atheism, Christianity, Islam, Hinduism, Buddhism, and all kinds of Religions as worthless and useless, no value whatsoever
and
willingly submit instead to the authority of Jesus Christ in their obedience to what's written in Matthew 28: 18
and
the teachings of Jesus Christ about the "Kingdom of God" and "Resurrection of the Dead" written in Luke 4: 43 and John 11: 25, 26
are
NOT for Atheists, Christians, Muslims, Buddhists, Hindus, and fanatics of Religions too
but
ONLY for LOVING, KIND, RESPECTFUL, and SUBMISSIVE persons on earth
who
died recently and thousands of years ago like Abel, Noah, Abraham, Sarah, Isaac, Jacob, Moses, Job, Naomi, Ruth, King David, Jesus Christ's Followers and disciples, and many others
who
are all worthy and deserving of being RESURRECTED back to life in the right and proper time so they can happily and abundantly live and exist on earth forever as submissive and obedient subjects of the "KINGDOM of GOD"
and
fully enjoy the eternal love, kindness, goodness, generosities, compassions, favors, and blessings of the Creator and his Christ for eternity under the loving and kind rulership, guidance, and protection of Jesus Christ as the Creator's Chosen King and Ruler of the heavens and the earth as written in Revelation 11: 15.
@@holgerlubotzki3469 LIES, DISHONOR and ETERNAL DEATHS versus TRUTHS, HONOR and ETERNAL LIFE and EXISTENCE on EARTH
The LIE
and
false claim that GOD doesn't exist and LIES and false teachings about "hellfire", "Armageddon", "Trinity", "afterlife", "immortality of the souls", "rapture", and "reincarnation"
are
clearly the Satanic LIES, tricks, and deceits of Atheists and Pastors and Leaders of Religions
that
definitely bring and cause the dishonor, disgrace, shame, downfall and ETERNAL DEATHS
of
Atheists, Jehovah's Witnesses, SDAs, Mormons, Catholics, Methodists, Baptists, Born Again Christians, Muslims, Buddhists, Hindus, and fanatics of all kinds of Religions
who
are all obviously lied to, tricked, deceived, and murdered by Satan the Devil, the Father of LIES and Murderer of Human beings as written in John 8: 44.
The TRUTH
is
ATHEISM and ALL KINDS of RELIGIONS are WORTHLESS and USELESS, NO VALUE WHATSOEVER
because
the loving, kind, and merciful Creator's favor and reward of ETERNAL LIFE and existence on earth without sufferings, pains, griefs, sickness, and death as written in Revelation 21: 3, 4
is
ONLY for LOVING, KIND, RESPECTFUL, and SUBMISSIVE persons on earth
who
rejected Atheism, Christianity, Islam, Hinduism, Buddhism, and all kinds of Religions as worthless and useless, no value whatsoever
and
willingly submit instead to the authority of Jesus Christ in their obedience to what's written in Matthew 28: 18
and
the teachings of Jesus Christ about the "Kingdom of God" and "Resurrection of the Dead" written in Luke 4: 43 and John 11: 25, 26
are
NOT for Atheists, Christians, Muslims, Buddhists, Hindus, and fanatics of Religions too
but
ONLY for LOVING, KIND, RESPECTFUL, and SUBMISSIVE persons on earth
who
died recently and thousands of years ago like Abel, Noah, Abraham, Sarah, Isaac, Jacob, Moses, Job, Naomi, Ruth, King David, Jesus Christ's Followers and disciples, and many others
who
are all worthy and deserving of being RESURRECTED back to life in the right and proper time so they can happily and abundantly live and exist on earth forever as submissive and obedient subjects of the "KINGDOM of GOD"
and
fully enjoy the eternal love, kindness, goodness, generosities, compassions, favors, and blessings of the Creator and his Christ for eternity under the loving and kind rulership, guidance, and protection of Jesus Christ as the Creator's Chosen King and Ruler of the heavens and the earth as written in Revelation 11: 15.
No one SHOULD follow God as tho you are forced to 'comply'.. Those who follow Christ follow because they WANT to. Just as the first disciples, they 'hear' a call through His Word or through the testimony of another and they drop what they are doing and go see and seek for themselves. John 3 16 invites you to know the love and promise Jesus offers you.
Free will removes God/Allah, any Creator, as a worthwhile consideration.
Exactly. Lucifer's one an only crime was rejecting the egomaniac who commits genocide all willy nilly and thirsts for worship 24/7.
Best argument against God is, that there is no good argument for his existence.
Photosynthesis.
@@SynthApprentice You think photosynthesis is a good argument for Gods existence? How so?
@@ingobordewick6480 How does photosynthesis work?
@@SynthApprentice It's a natural process, how do natural processes prove a supernatural being?
@@ingobordewick6480 My god isn't a supernatural being, though.
We have needs that must be satisfied or we suffer and that is a problem. Designers do not create problems, they solve problems. Ergo, there is no Intelligent Designer.
I doubt many atheist's 'convert'? Maybe those people who are open to believing anything they hear, but have no particular god. If there were ANY evidence for ANY god, we'd have heard it. As of November 17/11, 2024, weve heard SFA. Strange isn't it? 🇦🇺👍
@@jaflenbond7854
🤣🤣🤣 ما قلته هو براز الثور.
@@jaflenbond7854 Nunjikompita
@@albaniahenry-franklin2829 أنا أتفوه في اتجاهه العام
@@jaflenbond7854 Tambellup
@@jaflenbond7854 Malyalling
Whilst I see your point 19:05 , the risk of this line of thinking seems flawed. Because the same could be said of any group, including the group of people that are atheists. This would be an argument of belonging to no groups whatsoever with a diversity of thought within them. So I don’t think this line of argument holds much water.
The voice, almost thought it was Jackie, but if it was the meds are finally working, ha.
I think the best argument against gods is the diversity of belief systems and absolute failure to show any kind of evidence and even lie about others. Religion seems to be the devil, so to speak, don't take me literally.
If god is all knowing, all good and all powerful...why did he command that virgins who dont bleed on their wedding night should be stoned ?
Eeeek! Did he do that?
Why is this guy calling himself a muslim when he rejects the teachings in the doctrine? It's meaningless.
soooo... if you don't agree with "those Christians" or "those Muslims", maybe call yourself something else. those people who believe those bad things that you dont believe are propped up by you "being part of their group" even though you're "really not"
Depends on the god. If it's a tri-omni god? Loa loa worms.
11:00 making an argument for a developmental neurotoxin instead of for more conscious and better food consumption.