"You think you're entitled to everything because you suffered, but suffering isn't enough." Holy shit this man needs to preach to literally every anime villain alive
@@Khrn-lk4mf what I wish is he got to stay around after this, so he could actually be the fucking hardcore strategist for salem and show MIND can beat her matter
Cuts to RoosterTeeth HQ: RoosterTeeth employee: “Uh. Boss? I think you’ll want to see this.” *Watt’s voice actor going off script and ranting about the current state of Cinder’s character RoosterTeeth Employee: “Should we stop him?” RoosterTeeth Boss: *With look of both shock and amazement “No. Keep recording. This man be spitting straight facts.”
@@bonniefazman9065 Power passed from generation to generation to roast the living hell out of every living being. My name is Arthur Watts and this is how i became the most badass person in history of remnant
@@Iridescent_Astraea Roman - You got spirit, Red. But this is the real world! The real world is COLD! The real world doesn't care about spirit! You want to be a hero? Then play the part and die like every other Huntsman in history! As for me, I'll do what I do best: lie, steal, cheat and survive!
The thing that gets me is this little tirade he goes on.This is usually something you hear a hero say to a villain try to like and make them see the error of their ways but in this is it's a villain telling another villain to grow up.
The fandom respects this man because instead of begging for his life or flattering Cinder when she’s dangling him off a hundred-foot drop, he roasts her with cold, hard facts. Balls of steel, indeed.
Watts literally just went: “You know what? If I’m gonna get thrown off a building by this tantruming child I’m gonna go out telling the brat what she needs to hear!“ He even lets go of her hand that he was holding on to for safety.
I really love Watts’ mood stages during this entire thing! - When she first grabs him he’s nervous and in shock but he calms down and talks casually since she’s only holding him above the ground - When she pushes him over the edge his voice is shaking but his ego takes over “you can’t treat me like everyone else” - He tries dealing with her ”Salem told you to get me back”, but when Cinder says “Salem isn’t here right now” he starts being scared. His eyes dart around looking for a way to escape - He is freaking out since she might actually kill him, but then he starts laughing. “You know what? If I’m gonna get thrown off a building by this tantruming child I’m gonna go out telling the brat what she needs to hear!“ He even lets go of Cinder’s arm, the only thing holding him to life. This was a suicide run, she might let go at any second so he gave her a verbal smackdown she needed. It’s like the 4 stages of getting threatened: shock, bluff, bargaining, panic, acceptance
"You think you're entitled to everything because you suffered, but suffering isn't enough!" Gotta remember this line next time the D&D party gets another edgelord who uses their backstory to excuse their crimes.
Lawful Evil char working with the LG group explaining why the CE edgelord sucks: "It's not enough to be strong, you have to be SMART! It's not enough to be deserving, you NEED to be WORTHY!!"
Bro, I'm using Arthur as a backstory connector for one of my pcs, and a hyper intelligent gunslinger fighter with a dash of technomancer is a delicious combo. And yeah, he got beat the hell up, but I busted out the watts lines when I could
Watts: "And now, as further evidence of your inability to think things through to even the slightest extent, you're threatening to drop me off a roof! Ozpin launches almost completely untrained *children* into a forest full of Grimm as the *entrance exam* for his little clown college and you threaten to drop one of Salem's lieutenants, a man who just went toe to tin with *James Bloody Ironwood,* off of a *roof* ! I've thought of six different landing strategies that I can use even without any Aura in the course of this diatribe! Eight, now!"
To be fair, those kids were training to be huntsmen at the time. They were taught how to fight, either from combat school or other methods, and most likely learned how to unlock their auras and semblances. Watts never did. He never trained as a huntsman he was a scientist and doctor. True, he unlocked his Aura, but that can only do so much protection. Not to mention he never unlocked his semblance either. That's why he was trying to takedown Iron from a distance and with technology. Because he was outclassed in every other category. Considering that, I think it's safe to say If Cinder dropped him, he still would have died.
Everyone but Tyrian: why do you antagonize her like that? You know she can kill you right? Watts: At this point, it's a game. If she gives in, I win and she KNOWS that.
Cinder: I’ll find a level beyond a maiden! Watts: So what, like a mega maiden? Ultra maiden? Cinder: ...you’re mocking me aren’t you? Watts: Maximum-Over Maiden? Cinder: F**k off Knob Head!!! (Flies away)
Even after cinder left him to die, He still won. Cinder killing him only solidify that she's only prioritizes momentary gain than plan out and go for a bigger picture. Her actions in season 8 caused emerald and hazel to defect, one of them killing themselves. She squandered a possible ally that would have been as loyal to her like emerald was and killed another cause she was called out and her feelings got hurt. Sure she gotten the staff of creation, but the cost of getting it was way too big for the bad guys. 2 Useful baddies dead, 1 is in the void with RWBY, One other has defected. Mercury will probably defect as well since Emerald will be going to Vacuo too, abd Salem already knows what happened when cinder went to get the relic from the grimm arm. So yes, Wattson indeed saw her for what she was, trash.
And based on what happened in V9, Team RWBY and Jaune are going to come back, more resolved and very likely even more powerful than ever before, at least Ruby and Jaun. Not to mention that Cinder has effectively prevented Salem from ever getting the answer out of Jinn by using the last question, meaning that now the Relic of Knowledge is useless. Salem was probably planning to use that in order to learn the location of the Vale Relic. And now that's gone. Cinder may have won the battle, but she might very well have cost Salem the war.
@@0axis771 i really hope the finale has a jaune and rwby look a little different then what their previous appearance is, and because this is a magical place, rwby prob gonna have her awakening based on the silver eyes
@@christianthrasher8677 exactly, this was the biggest blow for Salem. Team RWBY had a great plan that only didn't work because Cinder used a super valuable resource on a whim, and I think people forget that. Salem will kill Cinder if she finds this out
You're right. Salem lost her heaviest hitter, her strategist, and a valuable saboteur thanks to Cinder. The lamp is also useless for the next 100 years, and Ozpin got away with both the lamp's password and the location of the Beacon Vault. The staff now just feels like a consolation prize.
By the way, WATTS NEVER CUSSED...... NOT EVEN ONCE AT ALL OF THIS THAT ALONE JUST SHOWED THE MEANING AND TRUE POWER BEHIND HIS WORDS! AND HE MADE HER CRY! THATS A FREAKING LEGEND HERE THIS MAN!
Very fitting that Watts mentions that she doesn't only need to be strong, but also smart. That was exactly the case at Beacon and why she succeeded, because she executed her role very well and made all the right decisions. But now her addiction to power was her downfall. I like this narrative. It's like double character development through character regression.
@@taddad2641 If Cinder didn't kill Pyrrha, Ruby would have never unlocked the true power of her Silver Eyes. So yeah, Cinder really shot herself in the foot there.
Bro, ENDLESS props to Christopher Sabat for his performance in this rant. I love how he sounds like he's SNARLING the word "worthy" 2023 Edit: I GET IT Y'ALL HE VOICED VEGETA YOU CAN STOP NOW
Arthur Watts, of all of Salem’s Pawns, he’s the ONLY ONE who never got side-tracked with petty revenge. Cinder becoming overconfident, arrogant of her own abilities ever since she killed Pyrrha in Vol 3, has been losing again and again when she tries to do thing her way instead of the proper way. Tyrian, the most devoted to Salem, allowed his bloodlust and madness to ‘play with his food’ so to speak during Vol 4 when he was simply told to retrieve Ruby. And yet he failed because of this. Hazel, during Vol 5, lost his shit when he IDed Oscar to be the next Ozpin, trying to focus him down explicitly the whole fight through until it was clear it wasn’t going in their favor. This brilliant scientist of a man kept to his job from the start, no BSing around, even when he had his chance at revenge against Penny’s father. And here he is, at his absolute finest, tearing down the veil of delusion and exposing Cinder for what she has become. A bloody migraine. Props to this madman for sticking it to her, even with nothing left to lose for saying it.
"You think you are entitled to everything just because you suffered, but suffering isn't enough, you can't just be strong you have to be smart, you can't just be deserving you have to be worthy." Quote of the year.
The voice acting is so good, you can tell Watts has been holding this in for the longest time watching Cinder constantly fail in her plans. His laughing just shows that no matter how intimidating and imposing she presents herself, all Watts sees is a pathetic, broken child who takes away from others what she can’t have. He knew he was on death’s door, but he didn’t give in to begging for his life because he knows that’s what Cinder wants: power and control. If he was going to die by a random girl with a bad childhood and personal vendetta, he was going to go down making it crystal clear how much of an entitled brat she is, and how she constantly believes she “deserves” everything like she’s the only one who’s ever suffered and getting mad when she can’t have everything. I feel bad for Cinder’s childhood but holy shit, she really needed this lecture and if she was going to cry so be it.
I love the bit before this where Cinder's like "you said you could control her!" and watts is just like "I said I have her *under control* not that I could telepathically make her do whatever I want, you dimwit!"
Given his actions here and how he faced James the season before, I think Arthur has a legitimate death wish. Not to say he WANTS to die; he's a narcissist, and wanting to die just isn't in him. But rather I think that he's WILLING to die at any moment so long as he's the smartest man in the moment. He's fine if James kills him, because he's happy to see his old friend crack under the pressure and give up everything he ever was as he succumbs to fear. He's fine being killed by Cinder if it means he can finally let her know what an abject failure she's been. Even hacking Penny and having her self-destruct isn't about anything other than winning---proving Pietro wasn't nearly as smart as him.
The fact she didn't even find the strength in her to actually kill him after that roast shows that it cut deeper into her skin that any blade could ever.
Of course. Killing him would only prove even further that what he was saying was right. Cinder is an incredibly flawed character and Watts rant just put that into perspective for her. She's still a child deep down.
Dude no joke Cinder is actually just pathetic, when it comes to fighting against a random opponent, she doesn’t realize how powerless she is. being strong doesn’t mean your smart, taking powers just makes you less worthy, and just because she suffered doesn’t mean she deserves everything.
Cinder: I lost an arm, I lost an eye, anyone I could call family is dead and most of my bodily functions got replaced by evil goo. But this... this stings.
Gotta love how Watts points out that suffering and being miserable isn't special, unique, or defining in any way which hammered home the sting. It's what someone makes use of that which defines if it's worth anything, and Cinder didn't make use of any of it.
@@joshuakim5240 I'm sorry to ask this, but would you please extend your statement a bit? I think it might be the language barrier or just me being oblivious, but I don't fully understand what you meant by "It's what someone makes use of that which defines if it's worth anything." And I'd very much like to!
@@adri_144 What i mean is that using pain and suffering as an inspiration to do something great is very different from expecting great things to happen from experiencing pain and suffering. People who suffered but don't do anything aren't special in this regard, because it doesn't matter since that doesn't motivate them to do anything special. It's the difference between a rich man who lost his family and sits alone doing nothing, and Batman who lost his family and used that as inspiration to protect a city. The only difference is that one of them did something with the pain being experienced, but that one difference matters a lot.
Ok, Watt's delivered a roast worthy of being immortalized in the history books, but let's also appreciate Neo further dunking on Cinder by stealing the Lamp and taunting her via a text message
He probably was did cinder even have a win between beacon and the fall to the ever after? Shes been getting her ass kicked constantly for like a year straight
Can we please appreciate the fact that Watts lets go of the arm from the bloodthirsty woman holding him from a skyscraper just to point at her and calling her out on her bull? That's just awesome!
This mad man actually stopped holding Cinder’s arm while he was dangling off the edge of a building. He was willing to die just as long as he got to tell Cinder what a failure she was. Good frickin lord Watts.
@@creedjeremy Well, his options in that moment were basically who his executioner was, so he decided to unload on the person who had been a constant source of frustration for the Legion of Doom. As they say, if you're gonna go out, might as well go out with your boots on.
Still refuse to believe he died. What he deserves is a reveal where he got of that last of his scene, crawling on his hands and knees, creating new parts for his possibly mangled body, and showing up at Cinder and Salem's front door, saying, "Bad news, Cinder. You failed to kill me."
Watts for a while was such a back ground character and a pretty typical evil scientist bad guy but this here sells him. he understands what it means and what it takes to work all the way up to the top and he expresses it here so damn well that it actually gives his character more depth than it is shown.
Typical evil scientist? He was the only one in the whole Salem group that did what was required of him. Even after immobolizing Ironwood he gets right back in to hacking Tower and not actually fucks with him like Hazel ( if Ironwood was Ozpin ) or Tyrion would do. Even Salem is not as compitent as him.
I honestly believe he didn't give a sh*t at that point. He needed to drop truth bombs on Cinder about her obsession with power and the screw ups that followed. During the events of Volumes 2-3 Cinder was smart. But ever since Cinder became obsessed with power and desire for revenge at the cost of logical thinking and ignoring the advice of her comrades. Boy, did Watts deliver. He gained respect from me. Also, I don't feel sorry for Cinder because at this point she either becomes a Human-Grimm hybrid due to that shadow arm or dies by Salem or Ruby's hand. Cinder got burned, no pun intended.
@@ethancassels210 I understood the joke. Just threw in my two cents because I was waiting for someone to deliver cold, hard facts to Cinder. Raven did in her own way but Watts knocked it out of the park.
@@ethancassels210 Nono I'm pretty sure he got the joke, but there _are_ people who throw in "for real, though" moments after one of those. And honestly: he's not wrong XD
Watts tells Cinder how her “pain” isn’t special everyone has pain some just deal with it better. Instead of using her pain to make her better she became a spoiled brat who thinks just because she can use parlor tricks she’s strong. Look at what Ozpin (fraction of his power) & Salem can do, now THATS power if I’ve ever seen one Edit: Thank you for liking my comment!
Holy shit man, did he just make her CRY!? Cinder Fall, fall maiden, destroyer of Beacon and a bunch of other shit walking off to go sit down and pout like a child with tears in her eyes after getting told off? That most definitely has to be some kind of super power.
Honestly Watts just destroyed cinders entire character with facts and logic he really shows how the rest of Salems inner circle were way more competent then she was. He's honestly my favourite villain so far.
Cinder was pretty competent in Volume 1 - 3. The moment she became the fall maiden, she became overconfident in her newfound powers, thinking raw strength alone was enough. Barging in and going toe to toe with another maiden with similar power level is 50/50 chance of victory/defeat, not a very wise strategy and odds. Then on top of that, her obsession with revenge made her make irrational decisions. Raven was able to manipulate Cinder this way, knowing her desire for vengeance can be used against her, and it worked.
well i wouldn’t say he “destroyed her character” he just pointed out all of her mistakes while saying how narcissistic she is. and i’m pretty sure that’s the point. she’s so power hungry she doesn’t care what she has to do to get what she wants, and that’s her downfall, as we’ve seen multiple times. and he calls her out on the fact that she thinks this way because she’s suffered her entire life, which is also bad, but understandable and realistic
@@bangscutter comparing her successes in volume 1-3 to what came after highlights why she has been failing to me. Early on she was following Salem's plans with an occasional adlib but once she got the maiden powers she thought that it made her a big deal. In reality it did nothing of the sort and her attempts to defy Salem since prove it.
@@tenofprime Actually I think the difference is in volume 3 she was given more freedom to handle things her way. In this case the Salem’s objective just aligned with hers. Cinder can’t follow orders she hates being told what to do she just isn’t someone who can be a follower since she loves being above others. Even in volume 7 she came pretty close the accomplishing her goal while in volume 5 she didn’t accomplish a thing.
My favorite part of this scene is how completely unintimidated Watts is by Cinder. The girl is holding him off the edge of a building and he laughs in her face.
I thought Raven deep freezing her while she was falling 100+ feet was vengeance for Pyrrha but Watts telling her how much of a failure she is while straight let her throw him off the building and Neo just taunting her over text is just so much better
can i just say that Watts is now my favorite villain of all time? i literally have no words. he just said what we've WANTED to say to Cinder for 8 long years.
It's a good thing he did not know about her going to Amity, against Salem's orders, and getting her ass kicked again. He would have gone Chernobyl on her.
“You think your entitled to everything just because you’ve suffered but suffering isn’t enough...” Thinking back on this Watts words at the end should have been given to Salem at one point in her life. Wether Salem admits or not her and Cinder are very much the same only difference is Salem has experience that she flaunts. But in the the end all Salem has been to the Brothers of Light and Dark “is a BLODDY MIGRAINE.”
The fact that watts has always been courteous, calm and collected makes this even better. He prides himself on just staying above everything and maintaining his suave, but in this moment he is DONE with Cinders shit and he just lays into her. After seeing watts being his brilliant calm and snarky self for so long this moment was perfect character work. Great job from the voice actor and animation team
It's almost like the show's crew suddenly became self-aware Being honest, this scene almost reignited my interest in the series When you think about it, Watts' speech can also apply to RL people There are many persons who suffer one way or another, either due to internal or external factors. Many truly privileged individuals try to sell the idea that suffering makes people entitled to everything; but, the truth is it doesn't If you want something, you have to earn it, become worthy of it. Instead of blaming others for your shortcomings, follow a path of self-improvement without forgetting your choices not only affect you, but also affect the people around you
I mostly agree, except that telling everyone they shouldn't blame others, while somewhat logical, puts an emphasis on any problem you face is yours to deal with. That's great on an individual level but easily leads to apathy and people feeling "I had problems and I dealt with it so I have no capacity to help you with yours." We see that quite often whenever someone boasts about how their life is great because they worked for it, and anybody in their vicinity who didn't get the same just didn't work hard enough when obviously that isn't always true. And I have to ask, why didn't this ignite your interest in the series. Volume 8 is the best the series has ever been I think, from a narrative standpoint. It's the Season 2 Walking Dead, Season 3 Lost, or Season 4 Breaking Bad - a lot of setup is done, character relationships have changed or been irreversibly altered, allegiances are shifting and our heroes' original goals are challenged stronger than ever.
@@crichton397 That's why I finished with the reminder that our choices not only affect us at an individual level, but also the people around us That's the opposite of apathy. And while self-improvement is mostly an individual's own effort, developing maturity brings humility, which makes a person aware of their own limits and acknowledge that there are things they're not capable of doing on their own and there will be times they'll need the help of others to keep moving forward Hence the importance of friendship, companionship, and family And as someone who experienced a severe loss, I can tell the best way to overcome pain and anguish is seeking to help others in any way you can Volume 6 was my limit. Chapter 3 got me hyped for a series, hype that was immediately destroyed by the next chapter, and despite the improvement on action scenes everything went downhill story-wise from that point onwards, and yes I know volume 5 was a disaster in that regard but I still had hope. I decided to drop the show back then, and all I heard from my fellow friends who kept watching the show is how much potential it wastes. Watts' speech is the first glimmer of hope I've heard of since those days
Volume 8 was a pretty big step up. I would hesitate to call the show good, it's still incredibly corny and melodramatic at points, and characters aren't executed perfectly but it's a pretty big step up from past volumes.
They really did a superb job with this scene. The choice and timing of the music was perfect, the flashbacks to Cinder's past, the doomsday landscaping in the background, the voice actor of Watts nailing the rhythm to his part and hitting every beat along with great tone and timbre, and how much what he says just hits you in the chest. I legit thought I was watching a high-budget film at this point in the show. Everything about it was just phenomenal and makes it one of my favorite scenes in the entire show.
That is what I love about the moment, for a brief moment she actually comes to her senses and you see the human underneath the mask. At the end of the day she a part of her mind never grew past the girl with the shock collar.
Watts has no combat semblance as far as we've seen. He wields possibly one of the weakest weapons we've seen in the series. Literally the ONLY REASON he's a threat is because he comes at you sideways, he dances around combat and avoids head to head fights. Full frontal attacks only work if your opponent is weaker AND stupider than you: intelligence trumphs brawn every time, and that's Watt's weapon. Notice he doesn't once bring up beacon because, despite her eventual failure, Cinder did EVERYTHING RIGHT. She successfully 'killed' Ozpin, took the maiden powers, destroyed the whole of beacon and killed the strongest of the next generation of Huntresses, and she did it because in that season she exemplified every trait Watts claims you need in his speech. She literally lost because of chance, nothing more and nothing less. If Ruby didn't have silver eyes, if she hadn't arrived the exact moment when she did... well, it would have quite literally been end of story. Cinder hasn't grown stronger... she's gotten weaker. Her loss to Ruby has shaken her to the core, pushed her into believing that strength is the only thing that matters. Leave it to Watts and Neo, two 'warriors' who predominantly fight with their heads to show her the flaws in that egotistical mindset. Watts KNOWS he's on the losing side in a straight fight... that's why he rarely loses.
I still can't believe what they decided for him at the end of volume. Such amazing character,my favorite villain and really fun to watch,just... shame.
Yes, but Watts's death also highlights one of Cinder's biggest character flaws. Watts was Salem's smartest lieutenant and of great strategic value to Cinder as well, but Cinder killed him simply because he called her out on her bull@#$%. She now only cares for power, sees herself above reproach (aside from Salem), and will kill anyone who suggests she is wrong, even if they are trying to help. Cinder is slowly collapsing under her own ego. I will point out that I haven't seen the newest season yet, so I don't know what happens there.
@@alexdillahunt6908 Agreed. Though I would argue that she'd backstab Salem in a big way if she could get away with it, considering her blatant disobedience. Pretty sure the only reason Salem didn't just yeet her into the sun after Altas was because she came back with the relics. Cinder is petty and vindictive and her discarding of Watts right off the bat was just reinforcing this. SHE thinks she's clever but is done in more often than not by her own viciousness. She hasn't made an appearance in volume 9 given that RWBYJ are in the Ever After for this one. But something tells me she hasn't learned her lesson.
@@dynamorphic I typed it as it's supposed to be in the italian dub, that's how I've always known his name "Crilin" / "Crili", I'm sorry for any confusion
The last time someone spat this much fire in the show, he was immediately swallowed by a Grimm. I miss Roman. Just imagine the dynamic he could have had with Watts. That much backhanded sarcasm in one room would have been LETHAL.
Words can't express how disappointed I was with the outcome of this. This whole speech is easily one of my favorite scenes in the show and when we see Cinder falling into tears at the end I truly believed that this was going to be her wake-up call and could now become an antagonist that's more than just unga bunga give me power, given how she seemed to lighten up a bit around Arthur after.. but nope, she reversed back to her usual trash character soon there after.
Same here, I was very disappointed in what became of Watts at the end of the volume in being betrayed by Cinder yet again. He was nothing more than another lacky she threw away. I guess that goes to show that we can't buy into Cinder's crap and all of it is an act to manipulate people to work for her-- which is really disappointing for a villain.
I remember practically growing up with the original rwby and so when this show came out I automatically knew it wasn’t gonna do any better, sure the animation is more on point but it just doesn’t feel like “rwby” from clips I’ve seen especially since I’ve legit never seen a clip with actual ruby and way more with whoever the dust family daughter was
@@rirururu4697 that said its a good thing we dont like her. She really isnt a complicated villain she is just a terrible person. His speech summarized cinder perfectly and she didnt change because she really does think she deserves it all. Some people truly just have THAT much ego.
Also, let's not forget that Cinder, unlike the rest of Salem's inner circle, has never been able to accomplish any of her goals on her own. She had to ambush the Fall Maiden with an assassin and illusory Semblance just to suck out her power, and only finished Amber off when she was comatose and couldn't defend herself. Watts was the one who hatched the plan that escalated the Fall of Beacon, and Emerald and Mercury did their parts to get the cogs spinning. Cinder did nothing there. She nearly got bested by a mentally unstable 17 year old girl, even after that girl lost half of her weapon, then she gets blasted so badly by a 15 year old girl that she loses her arm. Her grudge with a child caused Salem's plan to get derailed, then later cost them the Relic of Knowledge, not to mention Tyrian losing his tail. Then when Cinder thinks she can steal the Winter maiden's powers and recover the lamp, she gets her ass kicked again and fails to secure the lamp. It's only because of another one of her collectable assets that she gets in back. Afterward, she holds yet another petty grudge that nearly gets her killed, going against Salem's orders in the process, and the second Salem is out of the picture for even a second, Cinder threatens to kill one of Salem's best henchmen. She's not just a migrane, she's a major liability.
Not only that, but don’t forget, the only reason Cinder got the rest of the fall maidens power from Amber, was because Jaune didn’t stand his watch, so it was his blunder, that Cinder succeeded in to getting all of the power.
Cinder organized the fall of Beacon. She got right people in right places and had them do right things. This shows that she can be an amazing leader if she applies herself. I, for one, am grateful for Watts telling Cinder this, because now maybe she will do something about it.
Watts speaks the truth: the world doesn’t owe anyone anything. Not happiness, not wealth, not power and not a good childhood. We all have to make good with what we get, and if we want it to be better then we have to work for it. It makes me wonder what would have happened if Cinder had held out just a little longer and been able to emancipate herself from her abusive owner (I refuse to consider them her foster family as they made it clear she was only ever an asset to them) Would she have become a good person? A huntress fighting on Ozpin’s side? A rogue like Raven? A criminal like Roman Torchwick? Or would she still have ended up with Salem anyways?
I wonder what happens, though, when one has the inverse: they think they've had life too good, that they don't deserve what they have because they've failed at things despite being given everything they need to succeed...
@@derpedarp9041 Something more straightforward in that line of thinking is the "survivor's guild", specially mixed with your sentence, Shirou comes to mind. A survivor of a massacre just by luck only and gets a loving father, good friends and fairly a good life apart from that instance. That made him attain her foster father dream of becoming a hero, to a point of not caring for his life.
THE best part of the episode. Like they acknowledge CInder's decline in effectiveness and throw it in her face. Maybe she'll return to being an effective villain again.
@@thatonetemplar The scene was written a year+ ago, as we know from twitter. Also it's very silly to think that they change the story on the whims of the fans.
@@HighPriestFuneral Fans have been saying this stuff about Cinder for much longer than a year, bro. It is silly, you're right. But the way Rooster Teeth is so intertwined with its fanbase is what causes this to happen.
Honestly I think they will try and redeem her I hope they do not. I want Cinder to die I want a satisfying death for her. In many shows the villains get off lightly or there deaths are quick and painless. I hope when she dies, its satisfying.
This volume is more like Rooster Teeth trying to fix things that the fans have been going on about for a while Examples: This scene, Ren and Yang's argument
You can't just be smart, you need to be wise. Even the most well laid out plan amounts to nothing if you don't have the wisdom to retreat if your objectives are no longer tenable. Secondly suffering does not a powerful being make. If it were that easy, EVERYONE would be powerful.
This will forever be one of my favourite scenes seeing Cinder getting absolutely roasted and called out on all her BS is glorious! Also respect to Dr Watts twice in a couple days laughing at someone who could drop him to his death.
Watts literally showing us how to deal with a difficult trouble child...put Cinder (young adult with a teens mind imo) in her place! That wasn't a roast, it was a damn lecture, like scolding a disobedient teen who got on your last nerve, and clearly it was something Cinder needed...
and with that Watts just became one of my favorite characters. he didn't care that he could die at any second, he didn't care that he was face to face with a psycho with ancient magic powers, he just straight up gave her the talk she deserved. this was probably one of the best scenes of this volume
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This was such a satisfying moment! And roasting Cinder like this while she has your life in her hands is honestly such a power move.
If it's looking like your dead anyway, might as well go out blazing.
@@daltonhall5888 true i woulda kept pleading but he just roasted her
I’m surprised she could hold him up with the sheer weight of his balls
He cemented himself as best villain with this
in her hand you mean?
"You think you're entitled to everything because you suffered, but suffering isn't enough." Holy shit this man needs to preach to literally every anime villain alive
Meanwhile, he was an anime villain... temporarily... christopher sabat, the voice of watts, also voiced the english version of vejeta from dragon ball
@@Khrn-lk4mf what I wish is he got to stay around after this, so he could actually be the fucking hardcore strategist for salem and show MIND can beat her matter
And black ppl
@@hawksage5272 I found the edge lord.
Kirei: jokes on you I get off to that
Watts’ semblance, being so smart he transcends the script and says what the audience is thinking
You just earned my respect
XD!
So Deadpool?
Cuts to RoosterTeeth HQ:
RoosterTeeth employee: “Uh. Boss? I think you’ll want to see this.”
*Watt’s voice actor going off script and ranting about the current state of Cinder’s character
RoosterTeeth Employee: “Should we stop him?”
RoosterTeeth Boss: *With look of both shock and amazement “No. Keep recording. This man be spitting straight facts.”
@@stevenmattrell3448 why....did this make me laugh so damn hard?
CRWBY: Watts never unlocked his Semblance.
Watts: ARE YOU SURE ABOUT THAT!?
Wouldn't be the first time someone without a semblance started spitting facts from way up high
Watts: I never used my Semblance? Who decided that? R O A S T - F O R - A L L
@@bonniefazman9065 Power passed from generation to generation to roast the living hell out of every living being. My name is Arthur Watts and this is how i became the most badass person in history of remnant
@@Iridescent_Astraea Roman - You got spirit, Red. But this is the real world! The real world is COLD! The real world doesn't care about spirit!
You want to be a hero? Then play the part and die like every other Huntsman in history! As for me, I'll do what I do best: lie, steal, cheat and survive!
@@ahtalmachanation3831 nevermore: Buenos Dias fuckboy
Watts be like "My life may be temporary, but you will feel this burn forever"
My man Watts is a GigaChad
Like Pyrrha, right?
OOF!!!!
With my like you now have 1k likes.
I like his death involved being buried alive in the last episode lol
“You can’t just be strong you have to be smart! You can’t just be deserving you have to be worthy!” One of the best delivered lines of the show
Am I the only one getting bookshop flashbacks from this
Throughout the whole thing, Watts was letting his inner Vegeta out. That burn was beyond savage!
Don’t forget “All you’ve ever been, is a bloody migraine!” 😂
I don’t like that guy, but he makes a point.
“But all you’ve ever been, IS A BLOODY MIGRAINE”
The thing that gets me is this little tirade he goes on.This is usually something you hear a hero say to a villain try to like and make them see the error of their ways but in this is it's a villain telling another villain to grow up.
"you cant just be deserving you have to be worthy" damm thats deep
But sadly all she's ever been. Was a bloody migraine
You just know Chris was channeling Vegeta there
This is the lesson the current generation needs. They think they have things on lock because cancle culture is a thing right now.
RIGHT!?
@@DD8842 you cant just be woke you need to be aware
The angrier Watts gets, the more he unleashes his inner Vegeta!
When I heard this, I actually got the feeling too
By ironically saying exactly the kind of thing that needed to be said to Vegeta.
@@RaphaelRavenwing I just realized how similar Cinder and Vegeta (early days) are.
@@RaphaelRavenwing holy shit that’s actually true 🤣
I hear it
Cinder: fierce, angry, literally killed humans
Also Cinder: *cries cause Waluigi is mean*
WALUIGI 💀💀 IM SCREAMING
"You can't just be deserving, you have to be WAH-thy!"
0:01
His laugh will be *"WAH HEAH HEAH HEAHH"*
She legit looked like a kicked puppy. I’m dying 💀💀💀😂😂
WALUIGIIIII WHYYY
The fandom respects this man because instead of begging for his life or flattering Cinder when she’s dangling him off a hundred-foot drop, he roasts her with cold, hard facts. Balls of steel, indeed.
Imagine how strong that grimm arm must be, to be able to hold Watts without breaking in half like a twig.
And then she kills him
Even let go calmly. Like "well fuck it. If I'm gonna die might as well stop holding my tongue"
@@reapordeath The big question is, how was she able to pick him up, when he had balls that heavy?
Vegeta can never be held back. Much less by a woman.
Watts literally just went: “You know what? If I’m gonna get thrown off a building by this tantruming child I’m gonna go out telling the brat what she needs to hear!“
He even lets go of her hand that he was holding on to for safety.
You could even see how shocked he is after she lets him go and walks away, dude really thought he was gonna die
I really love Watts’ mood stages during this entire thing!
- When she first grabs him he’s nervous and in shock but he calms down and talks casually since she’s only holding him above the ground
- When she pushes him over the edge his voice is shaking but his ego takes over “you can’t treat me like everyone else”
- He tries dealing with her ”Salem told you to get me back”, but when Cinder says “Salem isn’t here right now” he starts being scared. His eyes dart around looking for a way to escape
- He is freaking out since she might actually kill him, but then he starts laughing. “You know what? If I’m gonna get thrown off a building by this tantruming child I’m gonna go out telling the brat what she needs to hear!“
He even lets go of Cinder’s arm, the only thing holding him to life. This was a suicide run, she might let go at any second so he gave her a verbal smackdown she needed.
It’s like the 4 stages of getting threatened: shock, bluff, bargaining, panic, acceptance
@Fiona the sheep
Well, for once Cinder listen to someone
@Fiona the sheep 🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮
@Fiona the sheep I mean anyone could make whatever ship they want. So its whatever
But he didnt care or feel bad about hurting her feelings
Watt's Semblance: Spitting straight FACTS
More like not holding back pure salt.
Watts has turned into Watts Shapiro
NERD PRIDE! ✊🤓
Neptune: Neh neh neh neh! _Intellectual,_ okay?
They hated the fax machine because it spitted facts
He delivered burns to Cinder that even she couldn't possibly make; Christopher Sabat's was a perfect voice to use for Watts!
I...dislike Sabat as a person, but he's a good voice actor, I can't deny it.
@@brennanhearn6342 A man work is not ever the same as a the man itself
@@Mrsarioc This is true, sadly.
@@brennanhearn6342 Damn, why? Did he do something?
@@minticore1942 Oh to be blissfully unaware of what was DONE to Vic Mignogna...
"You think you're entitled to everything because you suffered, but suffering isn't enough!"
Gotta remember this line next time the D&D party gets another edgelord who uses their backstory to excuse their crimes.
Can you invite me? I want to have first hand experience with D&D.
"All you've ever been, is a bloody Migraine." Would be the cherry on top.
Lawful Evil char working with the LG group explaining why the CE edgelord sucks: "It's not enough to be strong, you have to be SMART! It's not enough to be deserving, you NEED to be WORTHY!!"
that would make for a good sideplot or character development like image the villian saying that to one of the charaters
Bro, I'm using Arthur as a backstory connector for one of my pcs, and a hyper intelligent gunslinger fighter with a dash of technomancer is a delicious combo. And yeah, he got beat the hell up, but I busted out the watts lines when I could
Watts: "And now, as further evidence of your inability to think things through to even the slightest extent, you're threatening to drop me off a roof! Ozpin launches almost completely untrained *children* into a forest full of Grimm as the *entrance exam* for his little clown college and you threaten to drop one of Salem's lieutenants, a man who just went toe to tin with *James Bloody Ironwood,* off of a *roof* ! I've thought of six different landing strategies that I can use even without any Aura in the course of this diatribe! Eight, now!"
Yes
Love this comment
To be fair, those kids were training to be huntsmen at the time. They were taught how to fight, either from combat school or other methods, and most likely learned how to unlock their auras and semblances.
Watts never did. He never trained as a huntsman he was a scientist and doctor. True, he unlocked his Aura, but that can only do so much protection. Not to mention he never unlocked his semblance either. That's why he was trying to takedown Iron from a distance and with technology. Because he was outclassed in every other category.
Considering that, I think it's safe to say If Cinder dropped him, he still would have died.
@@thenebulaxyz8849 , or he would have lived considering that Miles and Kerry are both shitty writers.
"Toe to tin"
Ngl, that sounds painful
Arthur Watts has joined Roman Torchwick on the list of S tier villains with that roast.
No cap lmao
10/10 roast
A passing of the torch
@@ejelbertson9974 if that's an intended pun you're getting bonked
GOD DAMMIT BARB!!
Everyone but Tyrian: why do you antagonize her like that? You know she can kill you right?
Watts: At this point, it's a game. If she gives in, I win and she KNOWS that.
TFS reference
Lol
Cinder: *internal screaming intensifies*
Cinder: I’ll find a level beyond a maiden!
Watts: So what, like a mega maiden? Ultra maiden?
Cinder: ...you’re mocking me aren’t you?
Watts: Maximum-Over Maiden?
Cinder: F**k off Knob Head!!! (Flies away)
I honestly thought this was a line the joker said to Batman. It fits.
Honestly, seeing villains getting shut down like that with nothing but words and facts while being rare it's so damn satisfying when it does happen
You ever watch Batman Beyond:Return Of The Joker? One of the best roasts in my opinion
@@jamesvanitas oh the "you are not funny" one? Man I remember that
@@grayfulbester
It has memeable capabilities. Preferably the”OH,I DON’T NEED A DEGREE TO FIGURE YOU OUT”
@@jamesvanitas Terry is one of the best Batmans in my opinion.
@@tobiasskorupa1649
Dude’s pretty SCHWAY
Even after cinder left him to die, He still won.
Cinder killing him only solidify that she's only prioritizes momentary gain than plan out and go for a bigger picture. Her actions in season 8 caused emerald and hazel to defect, one of them killing themselves. She squandered a possible ally that would have been as loyal to her like emerald was and killed another cause she was called out and her feelings got hurt. Sure she gotten the staff of creation, but the cost of getting it was way too big for the bad guys. 2 Useful baddies dead, 1 is in the void with RWBY, One other has defected. Mercury will probably defect as well since Emerald will be going to Vacuo too, abd Salem already knows what happened when cinder went to get the relic from the grimm arm.
So yes, Wattson indeed saw her for what she was, trash.
And based on what happened in V9, Team RWBY and Jaune are going to come back, more resolved and very likely even more powerful than ever before, at least Ruby and Jaun.
Not to mention that Cinder has effectively prevented Salem from ever getting the answer out of Jinn by using the last question, meaning that now the Relic of Knowledge is useless. Salem was probably planning to use that in order to learn the location of the Vale Relic. And now that's gone.
Cinder may have won the battle, but she might very well have cost Salem the war.
@@0axis771 i really hope the finale has a jaune and rwby look a little different then what their previous appearance is, and because this is a magical place, rwby prob gonna have her awakening based on the silver eyes
Not only that Salem can't use the lamp anymore because cinder used the last question
@@christianthrasher8677 exactly, this was the biggest blow for Salem. Team RWBY had a great plan that only didn't work because Cinder used a super valuable resource on a whim, and I think people forget that. Salem will kill Cinder if she finds this out
You're right. Salem lost her heaviest hitter, her strategist, and a valuable saboteur thanks to Cinder. The lamp is also useless for the next 100 years, and Ozpin got away with both the lamp's password and the location of the Beacon Vault. The staff now just feels like a consolation prize.
By the way, WATTS NEVER CUSSED......
NOT EVEN ONCE AT ALL OF THIS THAT ALONE JUST SHOWED THE MEANING AND TRUE POWER BEHIND HIS WORDS!
AND HE MADE HER CRY! THATS A FREAKING LEGEND HERE THIS MAN!
That is bellow this genius
Make this man a Chinese manhwa character. Or Korean
He made cinder cry, the most emotionally distant person and he didnt even say damn
He cussed, pretty sure "bloody" is a insult given how the brittish normally use that word mid sentenc.
I’m not sure if “bloody” counts or not, actually.
Very fitting that Watts mentions that she doesn't only need to be strong, but also smart. That was exactly the case at Beacon and why she succeeded, because she executed her role very well and made all the right decisions. But now her addiction to power was her downfall. I like this narrative. It's like double character development through character regression.
including needlessly executing pyrrah. if pyrrah was alive, ruby would have focused on saving pyrrah and likely left cinder alone.
@@taddad2641 and not have lost an arm and eye.
@@taddad2641 If Cinder didn't kill Pyrrha, Ruby would have never unlocked the true power of her Silver Eyes. So yeah, Cinder really shot herself in the foot there.
@@taddad2641 yeah, Cinder needlessly killed Pyrrha. Just like how Salem and all of team WTCH needlessly killed everyone they did in the story.
@@useraccount333 true, but how the hell was she supposed to know that?
This homie didn't hold back
Edit: His voice actor is awesome
also did vegeta
Christopher Sabat absolutely nailed his performance here!
Christopher Sabat channeled Vegeta into Watt's roast of Cinder.
Chris is an absolute god amongst gods in the voice acting relam, he's also the anime version of Mondo Owada from Danganronpa
Yeah. Christopher Sabat nailed Watts here.
The fact that Cinder just sits down and cries while everyone cheers makes it so much better.
Bro, ENDLESS props to Christopher Sabat for his performance in this rant. I love how he sounds like he's SNARLING the word "worthy"
2023 Edit: I GET IT Y'ALL HE VOICED VEGETA YOU CAN STOP NOW
Oh shit I didn't realise that was the Prince lmao
@@NickDaGamer1998 Yeah, he sounds like vegeta in this scene.
Christopher also voices All Might in My Hero Academia.
0:58 Chris brings out his Vegeta, can you hear it?
@@silentbutdeadly4889 Yes, I can hear it.
Watts semblance is broken. He’s so OP he literally made Cinder cry.
He's to dangerous to be left alive
has has the evolved form of talk no jutsu
@@Drawngalaxy Spit facts no jutsu
@@hexobyte6251 Roast no jutsu
Not like it's that hard to make a child cry to be honest
Arthur Watts, of all of Salem’s Pawns, he’s the ONLY ONE who never got side-tracked with petty revenge.
Cinder becoming overconfident, arrogant of her own abilities ever since she killed Pyrrha in Vol 3, has been losing again and again when she tries to do thing her way instead of the proper way.
Tyrian, the most devoted to Salem, allowed his bloodlust and madness to ‘play with his food’ so to speak during Vol 4 when he was simply told to retrieve Ruby. And yet he failed because of this.
Hazel, during Vol 5, lost his shit when he IDed Oscar to be the next Ozpin, trying to focus him down explicitly the whole fight through until it was clear it wasn’t going in their favor.
This brilliant scientist of a man kept to his job from the start, no BSing around, even when he had his chance at revenge against Penny’s father. And here he is, at his absolute finest, tearing down the veil of delusion and exposing Cinder for what she has become. A bloody migraine.
Props to this madman for sticking it to her, even with nothing left to lose for saying it.
Nah, Tyrian failed b/c Qrow came in. Tyrian is actually pretty damn competent despite being verifiably batshit insane.
@@bigbadbob7070 Tyrian failed because he fooled around long enough for Qrow to arrive.
@@Espartanica But it WASN'T petty revenge.
@@jackmist But he still failed because he chose to fuck around and as a result, tragically, he found out.
@@Espartanica yes, but it still means Watts wasn't the only one who didn't get side-tracked by revenge.
"You think you are entitled to everything just because you suffered, but suffering isn't enough, you can't just be strong you have to be smart, you can't just be deserving you have to be worthy."
Quote of the year.
Props to Watts! Cinder can burn him all she wants, but he savagely roasted her!
BUT ALL YOU HAVE EVER BEEN IS *A BLOODY MIGRAINE!!!!!*
It's not just a roast; It's actually really good life advice. Specifically, the "You can't just be deserving; you have to be worthy" part.
@@Motoboo_Marine couldn’t agree more.
But all you have ever been, _is a bloody migraine!_
The voice acting is so good, you can tell Watts has been holding this in for the longest time watching Cinder constantly fail in her plans. His laughing just shows that no matter how intimidating and imposing she presents herself, all Watts sees is a pathetic, broken child who takes away from others what she can’t have. He knew he was on death’s door, but he didn’t give in to begging for his life because he knows that’s what Cinder wants: power and control. If he was going to die by a random girl with a bad childhood and personal vendetta, he was going to go down making it crystal clear how much of an entitled brat she is, and how she constantly believes she “deserves” everything like she’s the only one who’s ever suffered and getting mad when she can’t have everything. I feel bad for Cinder’s childhood but holy shit, she really needed this lecture and if she was going to cry so be it.
I agree with everything you said
I like your comment 👍👍👍
I love the bit before this where Cinder's like "you said you could control her!" and watts is just like "I said I have her *under control* not that I could telepathically make her do whatever I want, you dimwit!"
Given his actions here and how he faced James the season before, I think Arthur has a legitimate death wish. Not to say he WANTS to die; he's a narcissist, and wanting to die just isn't in him. But rather I think that he's WILLING to die at any moment so long as he's the smartest man in the moment. He's fine if James kills him, because he's happy to see his old friend crack under the pressure and give up everything he ever was as he succumbs to fear. He's fine being killed by Cinder if it means he can finally let her know what an abject failure she's been. Even hacking Penny and having her self-destruct isn't about anything other than winning---proving Pietro wasn't nearly as smart as him.
Much like Kreia (and I am not completely comparing him and her, just this one line) he doesn't care for either side- he just wants to be right.
This is actually the most perfect description of Watts I’ve ever read. This is 100% who he is.
dang, that's an amazing character analysis
Id die happy if i burnt someone like this goin out
Honestly, that sounds about right. Arthur Watts would be the type to happily accept death as long as he proved himself the better man
Let's be real here: Cinder let him live because he was right
Oh yes, yes she did.
69th like, nice
He was.
And because killing him would have only proved it.
Or that lecture had so much dad energy that cinder's inner child made her stop
The fact she didn't even find the strength in her to actually kill him after that roast shows that it cut deeper into her skin that any blade could ever.
Of course. Killing him would only prove even further that what he was saying was right. Cinder is an incredibly flawed character and Watts rant just put that into perspective for her. She's still a child deep down.
this was a reference to Zabuza of Naruto, right ?
Dude no joke Cinder is actually just pathetic, when it comes to fighting against a random opponent, she doesn’t realize how powerless she is. being strong doesn’t mean your smart, taking powers just makes you less worthy, and just because she suffered doesn’t mean she deserves everything.
All that potential, and it's wasted on her incompetence.
Cinder: I lost an arm, I lost an eye, anyone I could call family is dead and most of my bodily functions got replaced by evil goo. But this... this stings.
Gotta love how Watts points out that suffering and being miserable isn't special, unique, or defining in any way which hammered home the sting. It's what someone makes use of that which defines if it's worth anything, and Cinder didn't make use of any of it.
"It's a deep burn"
- Ron Burgundy
@@joshuakim5240 I'm sorry to ask this, but would you please extend your statement a bit? I think it might be the language barrier or just me being oblivious, but I don't fully understand what you meant by "It's what someone makes use of that which defines if it's worth anything." And I'd very much like to!
@@adri_144
What i mean is that using pain and suffering as an inspiration to do something great is very different from expecting great things to happen from experiencing pain and suffering. People who suffered but don't do anything aren't special in this regard, because it doesn't matter since that doesn't motivate them to do anything special.
It's the difference between a rich man who lost his family and sits alone doing nothing, and Batman who lost his family and used that as inspiration to protect a city. The only difference is that one of them did something with the pain being experienced, but that one difference matters a lot.
@@joshuakim5240 well worded. Bravo
Ok, Watt's delivered a roast worthy of being immortalized in the history books, but let's also appreciate Neo further dunking on Cinder by stealing the Lamp and taunting her via a text message
Yeah it was just not cinder's day.
With a cute little pose too!
B**** Slap 2× Combo
@@rasheedqe It's not been Cinder's day since 2016.
@@percussionfellow6168 It has not been RWBY'S day since volume 5
Cinder: "I'm gonna roast you alive."
Watts: *Reverse Uno Card*
Super Effective!!!! Critical Hit!!!!
Cinder: "Ju-
Watts: "OBJECTION!!!"
Watts: "Oh look, Cinder. You've just activated my Trap Card. Reverse Roast!"
Underrated comment.
So Watts had an updated autopsy report this whole time and saved it just to humiliate Cinder when she thought she was winning.
You know, I don't think Watts is just throwing words at her to make her upset this time. I think he's genuinely tired of her not listening to him
He probably was did cinder even have a win between beacon and the fall to the ever after? Shes been getting her ass kicked constantly for like a year straight
I can relate to that
Watts: Let me ask you a very fair question: What do you do successfully? Quickly.
Punch things
Fail
She can cook up a mean barbecue
Roasting someone who's threatening you so hard that they let you go and cry in a corner is just another level of power
Can we please appreciate the fact that Watts lets go of the arm from the bloodthirsty woman holding him from a skyscraper just to point at her and calling her out on her bull? That's just awesome!
Well he probably thought was going to die anyway so he had nothing to lose in criticizing Cinder one last time.
This mad man actually stopped holding Cinder’s arm while he was dangling off the edge of a building. He was willing to die just as long as he got to tell Cinder what a failure she was.
Good frickin lord Watts.
Watts definitely had that "Go ahead and kill me, I f***ing dare you. It won't make me any less right." going on!
What an absolute flex. He really didn't care that he was going to die so long as he got the last word.
What a Chad
For that my not so good sir, I tip my hat to you.
@@creedjeremy Well, his options in that moment were basically who his executioner was, so he decided to unload on the person who had been a constant source of frustration for the Legion of Doom.
As they say, if you're gonna go out, might as well go out with your boots on.
His last and greatest speech. He will be missed.
Still refuse to believe he died. What he deserves is a reveal where he got of that last of his scene, crawling on his hands and knees, creating new parts for his possibly mangled body, and showing up at Cinder and Salem's front door, saying, "Bad news, Cinder. You failed to kill me."
@@Mike_Dubo or that he made a recording providing proof of the betrayal or Salem figures out how to make him into a Grimm
Watts for a while was such a back ground character and a pretty typical evil scientist bad guy but this here sells him. he understands what it means and what it takes to work all the way up to the top and he expresses it here so damn well that it actually gives his character more depth than it is shown.
Typical evil scientist? He was the only one in the whole Salem group that did what was required of him. Even after immobolizing Ironwood he gets right back in to hacking Tower and not actually fucks with him like Hazel ( if Ironwood was Ozpin ) or Tyrion would do. Even Salem is not as compitent as him.
@@goldensp3038 good point. The only reason IronWood beat him in the end of that fight is because of his sheer iron willpower.
"Careful Watts, your Vegeta is showing."
I honestly believe he didn't give a sh*t at that point. He needed to drop truth bombs on Cinder about her obsession with power and the screw ups that followed. During the events of Volumes 2-3 Cinder was smart. But ever since Cinder became obsessed with power and desire for revenge at the cost of logical thinking and ignoring the advice of her comrades. Boy, did Watts deliver. He gained respect from me. Also, I don't feel sorry for Cinder because at this point she either becomes a Human-Grimm hybrid due to that shadow arm or dies by Salem or Ruby's hand. Cinder got burned, no pun intended.
@@rainer250
You missed the entire joke, but aight
@@ethancassels210 I understood the joke. Just threw in my two cents because I was waiting for someone to deliver cold, hard facts to Cinder. Raven did in her own way but Watts knocked it out of the park.
You know...Your not wrong....- Cell
@@ethancassels210 Nono I'm pretty sure he got the joke, but there _are_ people who throw in "for real, though" moments after one of those. And honestly: he's not wrong XD
Watts tells Cinder how her “pain” isn’t special everyone has pain some just deal with it better. Instead of using her pain to make her better she became a spoiled brat who thinks just because she can use parlor tricks she’s strong. Look at what Ozpin (fraction of his power) & Salem can do, now THATS power if I’ve ever seen one
Edit: Thank you for liking my comment!
Can I get an amen?
@@bonniefazman9065 AMEN
Amen
Amen
Ironic considering directly behind Watts from Cinder's view here is the spawn of Salem's power and Ozpin's effect on it disintegrating.
I liked Watts before, but after this I just love the character more.
Ditto
Alternate Title:
Watts says exactly what the RWBY fandom is thinking
Yeah, but he got roasted himself in the end.
@@midnightcarnivalmember and in the end Cinder proved Arthur point.
Holy shit man, did he just make her CRY!? Cinder Fall, fall maiden, destroyer of Beacon and a bunch of other shit walking off to go sit down and pout like a child with tears in her eyes after getting told off? That most definitely has to be some kind of super power.
it's called hard cold truth, it start off cold but burns like your skin lost pride of being a skin on you
Bruh Watts has unlocked his semblance: Cold Truth. When agitated, he speaks the truth to anyone to the point they break down in tears.
Honestly Watts just destroyed cinders entire character with facts and logic he really shows how the rest of Salems inner circle were way more competent then she was. He's honestly my favourite villain so far.
Cinder was pretty competent in Volume 1 - 3. The moment she became the fall maiden, she became overconfident in her newfound powers, thinking raw strength alone was enough. Barging in and going toe to toe with another maiden with similar power level is 50/50 chance of victory/defeat, not a very wise strategy and odds. Then on top of that, her obsession with revenge made her make irrational decisions. Raven was able to manipulate Cinder this way, knowing her desire for vengeance can be used against her, and it worked.
well i wouldn’t say he “destroyed her character” he just pointed out all of her mistakes while saying how narcissistic she is. and i’m pretty sure that’s the point. she’s so power hungry she doesn’t care what she has to do to get what she wants, and that’s her downfall, as we’ve seen multiple times. and he calls her out on the fact that she thinks this way because she’s suffered her entire life, which is also bad, but understandable and realistic
Yeah him and Tyrian are by far my favorite villains
@@bangscutter comparing her successes in volume 1-3 to what came after highlights why she has been failing to me. Early on she was following Salem's plans with an occasional adlib but once she got the maiden powers she thought that it made her a big deal. In reality it did nothing of the sort and her attempts to defy Salem since prove it.
@@tenofprime
Actually I think the difference is in volume 3 she was given more freedom to handle things her way. In this case the Salem’s objective just aligned with hers. Cinder can’t follow orders she hates being told what to do she just isn’t someone who can be a follower since she loves being above others. Even in volume 7 she came pretty close the accomplishing her goal while in volume 5 she didn’t accomplish a thing.
My favorite part of this scene is how completely unintimidated Watts is by Cinder. The girl is holding him off the edge of a building and he laughs in her face.
Once you've accepted death you have no reason to fear it.
It's a miracle Cinder even managed to hold him up for that long. You know, since he has adamantine balls...
Truly her best strength feat to date.
I thought Raven deep freezing her while she was falling 100+ feet was vengeance for Pyrrha but Watts telling her how much of a failure she is while straight let her throw him off the building and Neo just taunting her over text is just so much better
can i just say that Watts is now my favorite villain of all time? i literally have no words. he just said what we've WANTED to say to Cinder for 8 long years.
Agreed expect in my case i stopped getting interested in cinder after volume 6
Cinder: Vegeta no...!
Watts: *VEGETA YES!*
And now Cinder needs ice cream. Oh wait, the ice cream hates her too...
The collective hatred was just too much for her
Lmao well played
It doesn't hate her as long as it's not Neopolitan.
It's a good thing he did not know about her going to Amity, against Salem's orders, and getting her ass kicked again. He would have gone Chernobyl on her.
Would have loved to hear that extra piece.
The roast then would have been hot enough to see from space at that point. Lol
0:10 Watts taking his hands off her Grimm arm is such a power move.
CINDER GOT ROASTED SO HARD SHE STARTED CRYING LMFAOOO
Dude literally made her take a seat.
She acted like a child that just got disciplined.
“Power flows to the one who knows how, desire alone is not enough.”- Megatron
Starscream: *cries*
Yeeeeeeees
Watts: *Talk no Jutsu*
Should’ve added a sad flute playing
*Roast no Jutsu
Talk no Jutsu? Hell I was sure he just took Cinders semblance and made it hurt 20x more
@@simplyplague5465 like fr😂😭
Pretty sure that's reverse talk no justu.
“You think your entitled to everything just because you’ve suffered but suffering isn’t enough...”
Thinking back on this Watts words at the end should have been given to Salem at one point in her life. Wether Salem admits or not her and Cinder are very much the same only difference is Salem has experience that she flaunts. But in the the end all Salem has been to the Brothers of Light and Dark “is a BLODDY MIGRAINE.”
Never predicted Watts to be the hero who utterly vanquishes Cinder
Watts basically just told off Cinder exactly what the fandom have been thinking all those years about Cinder.
Damn right!!!
Very much so
The fact that watts has always been courteous, calm and collected makes this even better. He prides himself on just staying above everything and maintaining his suave, but in this moment he is DONE with Cinders shit and he just lays into her. After seeing watts being his brilliant calm and snarky self for so long this moment was perfect character work. Great job from the voice actor and animation team
Those weren't Cinder's maiden powers, that was the sheer devastation of Watts' words taking physical form.
It's almost like the show's crew suddenly became self-aware
Being honest, this scene almost reignited my interest in the series
When you think about it, Watts' speech can also apply to RL people
There are many persons who suffer one way or another, either due to internal or external factors. Many truly privileged individuals try to sell the idea that suffering makes people entitled to everything; but, the truth is it doesn't
If you want something, you have to earn it, become worthy of it. Instead of blaming others for your shortcomings, follow a path of self-improvement without forgetting your choices not only affect you, but also affect the people around you
I mostly agree, except that telling everyone they shouldn't blame others, while somewhat logical, puts an emphasis on any problem you face is yours to deal with. That's great on an individual level but easily leads to apathy and people feeling "I had problems and I dealt with it so I have no capacity to help you with yours."
We see that quite often whenever someone boasts about how their life is great because they worked for it, and anybody in their vicinity who didn't get the same just didn't work hard enough when obviously that isn't always true.
And I have to ask, why didn't this ignite your interest in the series. Volume 8 is the best the series has ever been I think, from a narrative standpoint. It's the Season 2 Walking Dead, Season 3 Lost, or Season 4 Breaking Bad - a lot of setup is done, character relationships have changed or been irreversibly altered, allegiances are shifting and our heroes' original goals are challenged stronger than ever.
@@crichton397 That's why I finished with the reminder that our choices not only affect us at an individual level, but also the people around us
That's the opposite of apathy. And while self-improvement is mostly an individual's own effort, developing maturity brings humility, which makes a person aware of their own limits and acknowledge that there are things they're not capable of doing on their own and there will be times they'll need the help of others to keep moving forward
Hence the importance of friendship, companionship, and family
And as someone who experienced a severe loss, I can tell the best way to overcome pain and anguish is seeking to help others in any way you can
Volume 6 was my limit. Chapter 3 got me hyped for a series, hype that was immediately destroyed by the next chapter, and despite the improvement on action scenes everything went downhill story-wise from that point onwards, and yes I know volume 5 was a disaster in that regard but I still had hope. I decided to drop the show back then, and all I heard from my fellow friends who kept watching the show is how much potential it wastes. Watts' speech is the first glimmer of hope I've heard of since those days
Volume 8 was a pretty big step up. I would hesitate to call the show good, it's still incredibly corny and melodramatic at points, and characters aren't executed perfectly but it's a pretty big step up from past volumes.
Yeah, it's kinda weird seeing this stroke of genius writing and presentation in the same show that the last four(five?) seasons were in.
@@crichton397 you wanna elaborate on what Ironwood's been up to and ask that question again?
They really did a superb job with this scene. The choice and timing of the music was perfect, the flashbacks to Cinder's past, the doomsday landscaping in the background, the voice actor of Watts nailing the rhythm to his part and hitting every beat along with great tone and timbre, and how much what he says just hits you in the chest. I legit thought I was watching a high-budget film at this point in the show. Everything about it was just phenomenal and makes it one of my favorite scenes in the entire show.
Can we just applaud Chis Sabat here for the amazing delivery.
Wait Watts is played by Chris??
@@python1972 yep
She needed to hear this. Kind of glad it was Watts, he’s probably the only one who could get the message through.
Good point. Can't imagine any other character being able to tell her all of that in simple and concise way, and also survive afterwards.
I seen this already he gave her a reality check
I think we can all agree this is already one of those moments in RWBY we just can't help but rewatch!
@@Dann_Palkarr yea cinder always felt as if she was so strong until smb puts her in place
I think most of us have seen it already
That is what I love about the moment, for a brief moment she actually comes to her senses and you see the human underneath the mask. At the end of the day she a part of her mind never grew past the girl with the shock collar.
In the form of a nuclear blast to the face
Watts: "Hacking and installing a virus into Beacon was a smart move while you were in disguise. Oh wait...that was my hacking operating system."
Her killing him just kinda proves his points about her lol, she literally takes everything or destroy what she doesn't have from anyone
Watts has no combat semblance as far as we've seen. He wields possibly one of the weakest weapons we've seen in the series.
Literally the ONLY REASON he's a threat is because he comes at you sideways, he dances around combat and avoids head to head fights.
Full frontal attacks only work if your opponent is weaker AND stupider than you: intelligence trumphs brawn every time, and that's Watt's weapon. Notice he doesn't once bring up beacon because, despite her eventual failure, Cinder did EVERYTHING RIGHT.
She successfully 'killed' Ozpin, took the maiden powers, destroyed the whole of beacon and killed the strongest of the next generation of Huntresses, and she did it because in that season she exemplified every trait Watts claims you need in his speech. She literally lost because of chance, nothing more and nothing less. If Ruby didn't have silver eyes, if she hadn't arrived the exact moment when she did... well, it would have quite literally been end of story.
Cinder hasn't grown stronger... she's gotten weaker. Her loss to Ruby has shaken her to the core, pushed her into believing that strength is the only thing that matters. Leave it to Watts and Neo, two 'warriors' who predominantly fight with their heads to show her the flaws in that egotistical mindset.
Watts KNOWS he's on the losing side in a straight fight... that's why he rarely loses.
I still can't believe what they decided for him at the end of volume. Such amazing character,my favorite villain and really fun to watch,just... shame.
Yes, but Watts's death also highlights one of Cinder's biggest character flaws. Watts was Salem's smartest lieutenant and of great strategic value to Cinder as well, but Cinder killed him simply because he called her out on her bull@#$%. She now only cares for power, sees herself above reproach (aside from Salem), and will kill anyone who suggests she is wrong, even if they are trying to help. Cinder is slowly collapsing under her own ego.
I will point out that I haven't seen the newest season yet, so I don't know what happens there.
@@alexdillahunt6908 Agreed. Though I would argue that she'd backstab Salem in a big way if she could get away with it, considering her blatant disobedience. Pretty sure the only reason Salem didn't just yeet her into the sun after Altas was because she came back with the relics.
Cinder is petty and vindictive and her discarding of Watts right off the bat was just reinforcing this. SHE thinks she's clever but is done in more often than not by her own viciousness. She hasn't made an appearance in volume 9 given that RWBYJ are in the Ever After for this one. But something tells me she hasn't learned her lesson.
"If you get into a fair fight, your tactics suck."
So true
Watts: *Burns Cinder so hard she starts crying*
Crillin, somewhere: "Gonna need a senzu bean for that one"
Agreed, but please spell Krillin's name correctly...
@@dynamorphic I typed it as it's supposed to be in the italian dub, that's how I've always known his name "Crilin" / "Crili", I'm sorry for any confusion
That was Roshi
@@Joulourde Ohh right it was. Oh well
@@ArrowVI Yeah Krillin just tells "SENZU BEAN" And throws it at you lol
Whoever made those quote for the character. Give them a raise for a S rank SAVAGE! Like holy moly that was unexpectedly speechless
S? Nah
SSS? Yep
@@cameronjackson6124 agree
The last time someone spat this much fire in the show, he was immediately swallowed by a Grimm.
I miss Roman. Just imagine the dynamic he could have had with Watts. That much backhanded sarcasm in one room would have been LETHAL.
That's probably why he was killed, Salem realized they would have been too powerful together even for her.
Imagine the comments between roman and adam
You get alike for having a Stellaris PFP
I mean he was eaten by a grim, but like we never found a body so....
@@ricecola9609
Salem: *is sweating bullets*
Words can't express how disappointed I was with the outcome of this. This whole speech is easily one of my favorite scenes in the show and when we see Cinder falling into tears at the end I truly believed that this was going to be her wake-up call and could now become an antagonist that's more than just unga bunga give me power, given how she seemed to lighten up a bit around Arthur after.. but nope, she reversed back to her usual trash character soon there after.
Same here, I was very disappointed in what became of Watts at the end of the volume in being betrayed by Cinder yet again. He was nothing more than another lacky she threw away. I guess that goes to show that we can't buy into Cinder's crap and all of it is an act to manipulate people to work for her-- which is really disappointing for a villain.
Just because you talk shit about your bad writing doesn't mean that you now know how to change your bad writing into good writing.
Yeah both Cinder and Ironwood seem to have their moment of learning something and then have it be taken away from them.
I remember practically growing up with the original rwby and so when this show came out I automatically knew it wasn’t gonna do any better, sure the animation is more on point but it just doesn’t feel like “rwby” from clips I’ve seen especially since I’ve legit never seen a clip with actual ruby and way more with whoever the dust family daughter was
@@rirururu4697 that said its a good thing we dont like her. She really isnt a complicated villain she is just a terrible person. His speech summarized cinder perfectly and she didnt change because she really does think she deserves it all. Some people truly just have THAT much ego.
Also, let's not forget that Cinder, unlike the rest of Salem's inner circle, has never been able to accomplish any of her goals on her own. She had to ambush the Fall Maiden with an assassin and illusory Semblance just to suck out her power, and only finished Amber off when she was comatose and couldn't defend herself. Watts was the one who hatched the plan that escalated the Fall of Beacon, and Emerald and Mercury did their parts to get the cogs spinning. Cinder did nothing there. She nearly got bested by a mentally unstable 17 year old girl, even after that girl lost half of her weapon, then she gets blasted so badly by a 15 year old girl that she loses her arm. Her grudge with a child caused Salem's plan to get derailed, then later cost them the Relic of Knowledge, not to mention Tyrian losing his tail. Then when Cinder thinks she can steal the Winter maiden's powers and recover the lamp, she gets her ass kicked again and fails to secure the lamp. It's only because of another one of her collectable assets that she gets in back. Afterward, she holds yet another petty grudge that nearly gets her killed, going against Salem's orders in the process, and the second Salem is out of the picture for even a second, Cinder threatens to kill one of Salem's best henchmen. She's not just a migrane, she's a major liability.
V E R Y true
Not only that, but don’t forget, the only reason Cinder got the rest of the fall maidens power from Amber, was because Jaune didn’t stand his watch, so it was his blunder, that Cinder succeeded in to getting all of the power.
Cinder organized the fall of Beacon. She got right people in right places and had them do right things. This shows that she can be an amazing leader if she applies herself. I, for one, am grateful for Watts telling Cinder this, because now maybe she will do something about it.
and she's basically still just a child
@@msk-qp6fn yeah, I mean she's like 22ish? 25 at most? That's still very young even in normal circumstances
oh man the chills, Watts burned her so hard the temperature went negative.
Literally the most savage shit in this show in a while. Beautiful voice acting and animation.
This shows that deep down inside cinder(a power hungry sociopath/killer) is a broken girl that just wanted to someone to care for her
Watts speaks the truth: the world doesn’t owe anyone anything. Not happiness, not wealth, not power and not a good childhood. We all have to make good with what we get, and if we want it to be better then we have to work for it.
It makes me wonder what would have happened if Cinder had held out just a little longer and been able to emancipate herself from her abusive owner (I refuse to consider them her foster family as they made it clear she was only ever an asset to them) Would she have become a good person? A huntress fighting on Ozpin’s side? A rogue like Raven? A criminal like Roman Torchwick? Or would she still have ended up with Salem anyways?
I wonder what happens, though, when one has the inverse: they think they've had life too good, that they don't deserve what they have because they've failed at things despite being given everything they need to succeed...
@@derpedarp9041 Something more straightforward in that line of thinking is the "survivor's guild", specially mixed with your sentence, Shirou comes to mind. A survivor of a massacre just by luck only and gets a loving father, good friends and fairly a good life apart from that instance.
That made him attain her foster father dream of becoming a hero, to a point of not caring for his life.
Risking his life to give Cinder a reality check. Props to Watts.
THE best part of the episode. Like they acknowledge CInder's decline in effectiveness and throw it in her face. Maybe she'll return to being an effective villain again.
If the fandom hadn't brought it up first, this scene wouldn't have happened tbh
@@thatonetemplar The scene was written a year+ ago, as we know from twitter. Also it's very silly to think that they change the story on the whims of the fans.
@@HighPriestFuneral Fans have been saying this stuff about Cinder for much longer than a year, bro.
It is silly, you're right. But the way Rooster Teeth is so intertwined with its fanbase is what causes this to happen.
Honestly I think they will try and redeem her
I hope they do not.
I want Cinder to die
I want a satisfying death for her.
In many shows the villains get off lightly or there deaths are quick and painless.
I hope when she dies, its satisfying.
This volume is more like Rooster Teeth trying to fix things that the fans have been going on about for a while
Examples: This scene, Ren and Yang's argument
Basically this was a more emotional and dramatic "snap back to reality" meme
Watts just straight up fixed Cinder's character with one angry monologue while dangling off a cliff. What a power move
You can't just be smart, you need to be wise. Even the most well laid out plan amounts to nothing if you don't have the wisdom to retreat if your objectives are no longer tenable.
Secondly suffering does not a powerful being make. If it were that easy, EVERYONE would be powerful.
she fr just had to sit down and reevaluate her life and cry
Clover you still alive?
@@farzad6294 I remember when clover got killed.
The entire audience: We wanted qrows ither sword to penetrate clover!
SHE REALLY DID THOUGH
This will forever be one of my favourite scenes seeing Cinder getting absolutely roasted and called out on all her BS is glorious!
Also respect to Dr Watts twice in a couple days laughing at someone who could drop him to his death.
I'm convinced that if she did drop him he would of been flipping her the bird the entire way down.
So much Vegeta energy in this scene and I love it, Sabat. Killed that speech. 11/10
Watts' semblance is called Cliffhanger. Whenever someone dangles him over a cliff threatening to kill him he is able to convince them otherwise.
Surprised cinder managed to hold him up there for that long with the weight of his titanium balls
As much as I love titanium as a metal it is way too light for this man's got that osmium anatomy
He started sounding like vegeta for a second there
Whenever it's a talk about pride, it pops off.
@@Juju2927 So, this speech is what he was training for as Vegeta all along? :P
If only watts could have bought his inner vegeta out when he wasn’t ironwood. IT would have been a WRAP
“Well I’m about to die...
BUT I AM SLAYING YOU FIRST!”
Watts literally showing us how to deal with a difficult trouble child...put Cinder (young adult with a teens mind imo) in her place! That wasn't a roast, it was a damn lecture, like scolding a disobedient teen who got on your last nerve, and clearly it was something Cinder needed...
and with that Watts just became one of my favorite characters. he didn't care that he could die at any second, he didn't care that he was face to face with a psycho with ancient magic powers, he just straight up gave her the talk she deserved. this was probably one of the best scenes of this volume
He is at the edge of death,
*Also Arthur Watts:*
This. Scene. Was. Amazing. Watts was like, “if I’m going die, imma die while spitting facts.”