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  • Taken From Russell Brand's Under The Skin Podcast #46 With Jordan Peterson: • Russell Brand & Jordan...
    Here, Jordan and Russell discuss the societal role of compassion and their divergent political views.
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  • @JMMJ94
    @JMMJ94 5 ปีที่แล้ว +8835

    It was refreshing to finally see a conversation. Not a debate, not a battle, but a genuine conversation.

    • @dudefromkansas
      @dudefromkansas 5 ปีที่แล้ว +30

      I'm picking up what you're putting down. Even if scientific does not, and I agree with you.

    • @JelloFluoride
      @JelloFluoride 5 ปีที่แล้ว +28

      Written and spoken language is different. But I digress, this is the TH-cam comments section! Don't waste your time explaining yourself lol. Have a face to face dialogue like these two gentlemen are. Otherwise you're just going to frustrate yourself. And neither of us wants that.

    • @danilonden3782
      @danilonden3782 5 ปีที่แล้ว +42

      @@Protocol15 I don't agree, a debate is when 2 people defend (mainly) a opposite side of a coin. Even sometimes playing the devils advocate.
      This is just 2 people exchaning thoughts.

    • @JelloFluoride
      @JelloFluoride 5 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      Dude, you're wrong, just accept it.

    • @azhurdeenbacchus772
      @azhurdeenbacchus772 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Agreed

  • @nikolasweischner3560
    @nikolasweischner3560 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2505

    Peterson is at his best when his ideas are being challenged and not his character. Really great and refreshing to watch. I'll need to watch the whole thing.

    • @sMASHsound
      @sMASHsound 4 ปีที่แล้ว +72

      and also, challenged by some one intelligent, russel is a smart guy.

    • @vc8424
      @vc8424 4 ปีที่แล้ว +44

      Yes, and he always knows when either is happening and responds accordingly. Props to the Russel for getting the best out of Peterson in this video.

    • @eudoxia915
      @eudoxia915 4 ปีที่แล้ว +39

      Great commment! Launching character attacks on others because they disagree with you is unacceptable under any circumstances and mainly only used by very disordered people. It takes emotional maturity to remain emotionally connected to another without judgement in the face of disagreement & Jordon Peterson has it in spades. Two people should be able to disagree totally without anger but how often does that happen?

    • @nikolasweischner3560
      @nikolasweischner3560 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@eudoxia915 Well said mate.

    • @jtoole07
      @jtoole07 4 ปีที่แล้ว +20

      I.S. Swinburne I think this conversation is beyond your intelligence capabilities

  • @gregoryjohnson003
    @gregoryjohnson003 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2507

    Why is Russell Brand the only interviewer capable of having a civil conversation with Jordan Paterson?

    • @joshthomas1706
      @joshthomas1706 4 ปีที่แล้ว +145

      And Joe Rogan. Better yet, all those classified as belonging to the intellectual dark web.

    • @MrJasonmay69
      @MrJasonmay69 4 ปีที่แล้ว +171

      I offer this as a possible answer. Russell has had some extreme highs and lows in his life, but being the intelligent and self-aware person that he is he has taken responsibilty for his own journey. I think anyone who has ever been through a process of honest self-reflection would understand Jordan's perspective.
      From a 'willingness' to understand comes a constructive conversation.

    • @halynnoquendo9732
      @halynnoquendo9732 4 ปีที่แล้ว +19

      go look at theo vons interview w him, its so genuine

    • @sigep145
      @sigep145 4 ปีที่แล้ว +29

      Bill Maher, another comedian, is usually still good for actual debate. While I probably disagree with Maher on the vast majority of issues, I don't mind watching a person I disagree with who actually discusses the issues with reason and facts without just accusing anyone who disagrees of only doing so because they're an evil, uncaring monster. I think comedians are accustomed to not taking themselves so deadly serious all of the time like a lot of political pundits, especially the left leaning pundits.
      Seth Mcfarlane waa talking about having Rush Limbaugh on an episode of Family Guy and said that it's usually much easier to have conservatives on the show because they're willing to go along with self deprecating humor where liberals are much more reluctant to laugh at themselves. Producers on Saturday Night Live also made the same observation about having presidential candidates on the show. They said Obama was clear that he would only be in scenes that cast him as the coolest, greatest leader ever. Hillary was the same way. They said it was their experience that Republican candidates were usually far more willing to go along with whatever scenes the writers pitched to them as long as it was funny.

    • @thetalonsofwaynechiang
      @thetalonsofwaynechiang 4 ปีที่แล้ว +35

      John Deegan:
      Of course Conservatives have a sense of humour and can admit their mistakes.
      You can’t tar one section of society with the same brush - we’re all individuals with individual experiences and insights.
      Unless of course you’re one of these identity politics types who think that all black peoples should vote for left-leaning parties or only white people can be racist.

  • @carfish
    @carfish 3 ปีที่แล้ว +804

    Jordan: ah yes, that's a good phrase
    Russell: yeah, good shit innit?
    They're great together haha

    • @words007
      @words007 3 ปีที่แล้ว +21

      Exactly. It was actually one of the best scene of this video where each and every one of us and i mean each. Right wing or left wing , could learn that even though both are completely different in their upbringing their whole life. One kinda lived a playboyish life with being in Hollywood lifestyle etc etc but other one being interested in higher studies his whole life being teacher psychologist etc. Both being so different due to their culture but due to their pursuit of Truth i think they can do these conversation even 'tolerating' the difference they do have and might even dont like . They both value TRUTH more then themselves. People who have hidden agendas can never have conversation like this. Hope one gets the point. They know labeling each other other with "name tags" just wouldn't give out any truth. I know JP but didn't know Russell was interested in such pursuit of ideas so deeply.

    • @obscurum6
      @obscurum6 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Right wing doesn't always mean benign views! Jordan Peterson supports sexual harassment and he is anti gay and anti trans rights.
      Russell would talk nice to Hitler given half the chance!

    • @pupton5525
      @pupton5525 3 ปีที่แล้ว +17

      @@obscurum6 no he isn't. I'm left leaning and you're talking boll#cks.

    • @_Gaby_950
      @_Gaby_950 3 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      @@obscurum6
      How does Jordan Peterson support sexual harassment?

    • @obscurum6
      @obscurum6 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@pupton5525
      Wtf? Are you drunk?

  • @MaxouleGeek
    @MaxouleGeek 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3174

    2 guys who disagree but still are polite to each other
    sci fi movie ?

    • @c.cannon1102
      @c.cannon1102 5 ปีที่แล้ว +20

      Fantasy

    • @UnknownHumanoid
      @UnknownHumanoid 5 ปีที่แล้ว +55

      no. None of them is a moron.

    • @Ludifant
      @Ludifant 5 ปีที่แล้ว +40

      Let´s hope it´s the future, we´ve tried the left-right way for so long, it´s time for something new.

    • @lizardas
      @lizardas 5 ปีที่แล้ว +30

      They disagree on some things and agree on others, just like everyone else.

    • @amberlance3221
      @amberlance3221 5 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @@UnknownHumanoid Neither of them *

  • @erregibi2060
    @erregibi2060 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1521

    Jordan: That's a good phrase.
    Russel: Good shit!
    😂😂😂

    • @Missjunebugfreak
      @Missjunebugfreak 5 ปีที่แล้ว +14

      That part made me smile.

    • @natathillman6695
      @natathillman6695 4 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      @@TH-camr-km1qo how is swearing something that needs to be "helped"? I'm not much of a swearer myself, but I've never really gotten this idea that it's necessarily bad. It can be a steam valve, which is good. Peterson's crying is another, which points to a much deeper problem. So that is bad. But the fact that some words are labeled "bad" or "forbidden" arbitrarily shouldn't signify much about a person's enlightenment. Always be wary of prescriptionists.

    • @cwickwitted
      @cwickwitted 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      I really enjoyed and made a comment to my friend over that one, as well... Good shit, inn’it?

    • @daveerwin6981
      @daveerwin6981 4 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      The amount of drugs these two have consumed over their lives! JP got his from a doc though. Guy's got privilege

    • @pedroochoaolivas
      @pedroochoaolivas 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      I literally read your comment and then heard them say it 5sec later! 😂

  • @fionahughes2499
    @fionahughes2499 3 ปีที่แล้ว +448

    Russell I owe you a major apology . This is one of the best interviews I've ever seen and I was wrong about you completely , you are genuinely a decent person , please accept my sincerest apologies

    • @DukeH78
      @DukeH78 3 ปีที่แล้ว +23

      He's very misunderstood I think. I love both of these guys so much!

    • @evolu9660
      @evolu9660 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      All is forgiven

    • @OdditiesandRarities
      @OdditiesandRarities 3 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      don't get fooled he's still a bit of a prat he's just older now

    • @Silverback0302
      @Silverback0302 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      what if we required deeper well thought out solutions from all our leaders right, left, and middle?

    • @MetricButtload
      @MetricButtload 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      He's not reading your comment

  • @TeamBringIt8
    @TeamBringIt8 3 ปีที่แล้ว +91

    Seeing Peterson just talk and actually laugh is so refreshing and wholesome.

  • @savage_the_wild
    @savage_the_wild 4 ปีที่แล้ว +870

    These guys get it. I love the old quote "listen to understand, not to respond."

    • @christianjardin3110
      @christianjardin3110 4 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      I think Peterson does a better job of listening. Regardless people that listen have higher IQ's

    • @punctuationman334
      @punctuationman334 4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Christian Jardin generally, not always the rule. I’m far from being exceptionally intelligent and I still enjoy to listen to many people, even people who disagree with me, though I believe being too open minded is toxic.

    • @joelsjimenez3256
      @joelsjimenez3256 4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      @@christianjardin3110 I actually think Jordan Peterson is a little more set in his ways and unwilling to budge. I think a big part of that is because he's smart and usually correct, but I think that's a trap very intelligent people fall into. I think Russell Brand was a lot more willing to learn here, and maybe rightfully so. Either way, it's clear that Peterson did more of the talking here, and I think that very occasionally comes back to bite him.

    • @bruceyako3993
      @bruceyako3993 4 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      Indigenous australians wait a minimum of 10 seconds after someone has finished talking before responding.

    • @savage_the_wild
      @savage_the_wild 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@bruceyako3993 no shit? I've never heard that before.

  • @requiem4ameme929
    @requiem4ameme929 4 ปีที่แล้ว +952

    Peterson: That's a good phrase
    Brand: That's good shit isnt it.
    Me:🤣🤣🤣

    • @mosca1922
      @mosca1922 4 ปีที่แล้ว +11

      Came to the comments just to find someone else who caught that and like me laughed their ass off jajajajajaja

    • @sherrymag833
      @sherrymag833 4 ปีที่แล้ว +15

      Requiem 4a Meme: I think russel brands sense of humor helps people understand and stay interested in his various topics. When other dipshits want to point the finger at him and discredit his points for that very reason. It’s just his personality and it’s sad people can’t look over that...

    • @requiem4ameme929
      @requiem4ameme929 4 ปีที่แล้ว +11

      @@sherrymag833 Yea I like Brand. Dont always agree with his opinions but I always respect the fact that he seems like a genuine person who believes in his views instead of pushing a narrative bc of tribalism.

    • @MrUnpredicatable21
      @MrUnpredicatable21 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Time stamp ?

    • @perryrush6563
      @perryrush6563 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      The quote is a good one though also! Ha ha

  • @llsspp
    @llsspp 3 ปีที่แล้ว +239

    You know something weird is going on when the real, genuine interviews with JP come from comedians and non-journalists

    • @pumpkinpie2002
      @pumpkinpie2002 3 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      A great observation LP.

    • @alondite215
      @alondite215 3 ปีที่แล้ว +12

      Comedians tend to be a lot more open-minded than most and have a more realistic view of the world. It's not all that strange when you consider it that way.

    • @Pandaramawow
      @Pandaramawow 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Haha I was about to comment the exact same thing 🤣

    • @aqm5239
      @aqm5239 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      That, in itself, is funny.

    • @foxyglad6578
      @foxyglad6578 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Many people don't get how well educated and how well up to date comedians have to be, to be able to continue being relevant and successful. George Carlin is the best example of this.

  • @litpk4580
    @litpk4580 3 ปีที่แล้ว +124

    Can’t believe these kinda of conversations are so rare that we get excited when we see them. When it should be normal.

    • @adambeck427
      @adambeck427 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      if they were normal then the world would probably be a lot better and we wouldnt have to have these conversations, but yes i agree

    • @morandalec3869
      @morandalec3869 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@adambeck427 Correct, but that means wed be having even deeper different conversations in their place.

    • @adambeck427
      @adambeck427 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@morandalec3869 if only.

    • @hellodarkness5644
      @hellodarkness5644 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@adambeck427 shut up Seuss.

    • @bluesakura2092
      @bluesakura2092 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      I completely agree… ): I want to have conversations like this every day.

  • @oneeyedfatman5491
    @oneeyedfatman5491 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1419

    What I liked about this it seems Russell Brand wants to understand his point of view not just counter attack/argue!!!!

    • @theungodlytroll
      @theungodlytroll 4 ปีที่แล้ว +32

      That's called conversation 😂

    • @enochschildren5337
      @enochschildren5337 4 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      One Eyed Fatman he’s a prick

    • @boethius9173
      @boethius9173 4 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      One Eyed Fatman, Unlike Cathy Newman.

    • @jackdaniels9179
      @jackdaniels9179 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @Jarvy Mcmunn maybe they understand them...they just disagree with their politics because they are more often demonstrably detrimental.

    • @gerrywhelan5761
      @gerrywhelan5761 4 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      @@enochschildren5337 He has some history surely, but also lots of goodness, and he is involved in a lots charity movements and does his own work in helping the less well off.

  • @JellyFinch
    @JellyFinch 4 ปีที่แล้ว +667

    I come back to this video every now and then to remind myself that these types of conversations are still possible, because it really doesn't feel like it lately.

    • @danielu.4957
      @danielu.4957 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Yes. British people are known for beign elocuent and calm while talking and one is pleased to hear them. Russell Brand is not one of them.
      I can't understand much when he talks :V

    • @Jerry_Bean
      @Jerry_Bean 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@CrazyDaisy6971 its a conversation lol

    • @zeitscar1486
      @zeitscar1486 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@danielu.4957 I thought he was an Aussie?

    • @IronMan-qi3yg
      @IronMan-qi3yg 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      @@danielu.4957 the fact that you spelt eloquent incorrectly makes your comment so much better

    • @broseppicarnalizmo315
      @broseppicarnalizmo315 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@danielu.4957 maybe use autocorrect to help with your spelling??🤣🤣😂

  • @michaelleskauskas3645
    @michaelleskauskas3645 3 ปีที่แล้ว +74

    I gained a huge amount of respect for Brand just due to this video.

  • @gianninabriceno9354
    @gianninabriceno9354 3 ปีที่แล้ว +223

    I don’t agree with Russell but I really appreciate his open mindedness

    • @borisjo13
      @borisjo13 3 ปีที่แล้ว +41

      I don't agree with Peterson but I really appreciate his open mindedness

    • @Katiekay.
      @Katiekay. 3 ปีที่แล้ว +14

      And I appreciate you and your open mindedness.... your comment speaks volumes about your intellect and character

    • @777SFINN777
      @777SFINN777 3 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      @@borisjo13 Someone seems triggered.

    • @borisjo13
      @borisjo13 3 ปีที่แล้ว +36

      @@777SFINN777 It's literally the same comment as the guy I replied to, but concerning Peterson instead of Brand.

    • @777SFINN777
      @777SFINN777 3 ปีที่แล้ว +15

      @@borisjo13 I know but one could find that patronizing since you felt the need to express your opposition to Giannina's view in a repetitive/mocking manner.

  • @nothajzl
    @nothajzl 4 ปีที่แล้ว +550

    Seeing Jordan laugh.. so refreshing

    • @jasonbarnes6568
      @jasonbarnes6568 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      from 2 yrs ago tho...feels bad man

    • @RolandRED
      @RolandRED 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@jasonbarnes6568 why? Is Jordan in bad shape?

    • @jasonbarnes6568
      @jasonbarnes6568 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@RolandRED yup. checkout his YT page

    • @karinannamaria2514
      @karinannamaria2514 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Yeah he has a great laughter

    • @dana102083
      @dana102083 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@jasonbarnes6568 he is on the mend, has an interview on his dtr mikhaila's yt page.

  • @zh1992
    @zh1992 5 ปีที่แล้ว +695

    This is what we need more of. Two people with opposing political views sat together in a room talking, sharing ideas, gaining an understanding of one an other in a respectable way.

    • @BreatheDeepSeekPeace
      @BreatheDeepSeekPeace  5 ปีที่แล้ว +20

      That's exactly it, my friend. Thanks for watching.

    • @MongaLloido
      @MongaLloido 5 ปีที่แล้ว +49

      These men are far from being political opposites.
      Both are essentially liberals in the original sense of the word

    • @iamnotevenanumber3312
      @iamnotevenanumber3312 5 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      @@MongaLloido ...which is?
      I have yet to meet someone pinpoint the "original sense" of that specific word. It is used in so many contexts and with to different meanings that it has practically lost its meaning.

    • @doomincarnate
      @doomincarnate 5 ปีที่แล้ว +21

      @@iamnotevenanumber3312 classic liberal is more 'I may not agree with what you are saying but I'll die for your right to say it' as opposed to today's severe castration of what people are allowed to say and this modern puritanical movement which the far left is becoming more guilty of by the day.

    • @HNIN1973
      @HNIN1973 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      The only one responsible for our financial, emotional, or mental health is ourselves. In todays society our only roadblocks are ourselves so get out of your own way.

  • @jonlee4540
    @jonlee4540 3 ปีที่แล้ว +82

    Great constructive conversation between two very deep, intelligent men. We need more of this!

  • @JacobC479
    @JacobC479 3 ปีที่แล้ว +30

    Man, how crazy that Russell Brand ended up being one of the most philosophical, reasonable and civil interviewers/voices during this time.. this was great. No insults, no yelling, no accusing of lying... just a well mannered, civil, and productive conversation.

    • @aspjake123
      @aspjake123 ปีที่แล้ว

      Agree with you 100 percent

    • @jonjohnson9061
      @jonjohnson9061 ปีที่แล้ว

      ​@@aspjake123 makes more sense now, two incredible minds.

  • @EBChurchlady
    @EBChurchlady 4 ปีที่แล้ว +581

    "Tyranny is the deliberate removal of nuance." Deep

    • @Hockeycelly
      @Hockeycelly 4 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      Could you explain this for me?

    • @smotpoker86
      @smotpoker86 4 ปีที่แล้ว +43

      The complete annihilation of the abstract? Everything is either right(in favor of the tyrant) or wrong. I could be wrong. I'm pretty high lol

    • @Hockeycelly
      @Hockeycelly 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@smotpoker86 thanks!

    • @matthewmeyer49
      @matthewmeyer49 4 ปีที่แล้ว +11

      EBChurchlady it’s pseudo-profound bullshit.

    • @KyleMacSkill
      @KyleMacSkill 4 ปีที่แล้ว +34

      @@matthewmeyer49 Lol I don't think you know what pseudo means

  • @oldstoffire
    @oldstoffire 4 ปีที่แล้ว +684

    I love how Russel uses the "So you're saying..." starter to actually attempt to understand Jordan, rather than using it as a soundbyte for an attack piece.

    • @punctuationman334
      @punctuationman334 4 ปีที่แล้ว +61

      Toastoffire I still have ptsd from that fuckfest of an interview.

    • @wzpu3283
      @wzpu3283 4 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      Lol Baby Blue, I know the interview you are referring to, without a link to it, nor a further description!

    • @Soldier4USA2005
      @Soldier4USA2005 4 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      @@wzpu3283 Same. Absolute disaster and a blatant attempt to discredit someone in such an obvious manner that it self destructed and destroyed the interviewers reputation overnight.

    • @missv9460
      @missv9460 4 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      Just like Kathy Newman kept saying "so what you're saying is...."

    • @frednil8304
      @frednil8304 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@wzpu3283 Same here. I hope she reflected on what it did to her professional reputation.

  • @jratt1279
    @jratt1279 3 ปีที่แล้ว +47

    The best line of this segment was the last one by JP.
    “I think the best approach to ameliorating inequality is to strengthen the individual.”

    • @commentjudger5009
      @commentjudger5009 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Well he essentially paraphrased Russells last statement about making the individual more selfless. Strong willed enough to sacrifice superfluous gains for the good of others.
      To have enough mental fortitude to suffer a little so that others doing it harder may catch a break.

    • @commentjudger5009
      @commentjudger5009 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      The problem conventional solutions such as legislation, created based on statistical analysis of the issue and such, appears to be in corruption. Presuming it is willing or able to find the impetus of the issue at all, which it appears unable to do.
      On the flip side, the kind of exerstencial methods they seem to agree upon at the end though potentially effective, I fear are unlikely to work. Essentially due to a mix of corruption at the corporate/govenment level and to the nature of human greed, inability to work effectively as one in such large masses and differences of opinions on the civilian level.
      They say 2 things are guaranteed in life, death and taxes. I'd add a 3rd to that list, inequality.

    • @farzindoroudian4013
      @farzindoroudian4013 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@commentjudger5009 The impression I get from the statement you quoted from Russel is to give people fish, but the impression I get from JP statement is to teach people how to fish, but then again I might be wrong.

    • @AGD_27
      @AGD_27 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@farzindoroudian4013 more than that Russell is saying we should incentivise being the hero. So in your analogy of Russell saying we should have a system the gives people fish and Jordan saying we should have a system that teaches people to fish. Russell is actually saying we should have a culture where people WANT to give away their fish in that instead of the poor being helped by a enforced tax you have a more spiritual idea of fulfillment through charity rather than material success.
      That's my interpretation of it anyway.

  • @jldude84
    @jldude84 3 ปีที่แล้ว +31

    I never gave Russell a 2nd thought when I first saw him, but I will gladly admit the more I see and learn of him the more I respect him. He absolutely seems like a super decent guy.

    • @theoteddy9665
      @theoteddy9665 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      hmmmm...still to me weirdo with weird opinions.. he is genuine and nice human, so what.. that was my 2nd thought and last one.. JP is just couple lvls above everyone

    • @tomtom21194
      @tomtom21194 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      He is flawed but he has matured in the last few years after becoming a father and thats a good thing

    • @obsiPog
      @obsiPog 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@tomtom21194 what is being "flawed" lol

    • @tomtom21194
      @tomtom21194 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@obsiPog Flawed: adjective
      Definition: Having or characterised by a fundamental weakness or imperfection.
      Google is a thing bro.

  • @jonathanjenson5000
    @jonathanjenson5000 4 ปีที่แล้ว +396

    This back and forth is how civilized people should interact.
    I love it.

    • @timsplanet2
      @timsplanet2 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Cathy Newman did a good job. She put him on the spot. Did you know that Jordan Peterson wants us to live in the sea, like lobsters? He’s ridiculous.
      Check out the interview. She really exposes him

    • @jonathanjenson5000
      @jonathanjenson5000 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      No.
      If you won't do the work, please stop. You have the secret video where the professor from U of T tells everyone that he wants us to live with lobsters?
      I really need to block comments...
      This is a brain cell killer.

    • @alaalfa8839
      @alaalfa8839 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Except for men under Jordan´s videos... they are kind of civilized or maybe just some of them.

    • @aqm5239
      @aqm5239 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@alaalfa8839 I agree. A lot of the comments are civil, but it depends on where you go. There's still seems to be some trolling in his name.

    • @subversivelysurreal3645
      @subversivelysurreal3645 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Jordan Peterson is a charlatan, ‘don’t just love yourself, have contempt for others’! 🙄 it’s NOT an historical accident that he’s ‘saved’ people from a *very dark place* see Chapo Trap House on utube, talking about his books and articles.

  • @dustingray321
    @dustingray321 4 ปีที่แล้ว +328

    This is what discourse, disagreement, and intellectual honesty looks like.

    • @kenburns4547
      @kenburns4547 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      To a noob.

    • @uk9383
      @uk9383 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Yes because they dont have agendas. They are talking about ideas. In politics of coorse people are not going to be like this because in politics people have agendas. So there you see the display of power and trying to get your agenda a reality. 2 different worlds

    • @anthonybrogan390
      @anthonybrogan390 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Yes a shame we don't see this on FOX CNN NBC and all the other agenda driven news programs. Sean(Let me Kiss Trumps ass) Hannity did not take Brand seriously but obviously Peterson does.

    • @kenburns4547
      @kenburns4547 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Dustin Gray: too bad it doesn't SOUND anywhere near.

    • @masescranton9630
      @masescranton9630 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      I agree Dustin.

  • @user-do7li4cb1w
    @user-do7li4cb1w 4 ปีที่แล้ว +54

    Russell Brand is a genuine human being. I’ve been making my peace with God so to speak today... pretty much at the end of my race. And in that moment, I still feel a genuine love that comes from him.

    • @christianjoseph7367
      @christianjoseph7367 4 ปีที่แล้ว +15

      Hope your race continues my friend. Know that you matter.

    • @thumbnailgreen9773
      @thumbnailgreen9773 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Russell Brand is honest and courageous with himself as you are and this seems to bring him closer to love

    • @dawntsamantanis143
      @dawntsamantanis143 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I did not know. I assumed and have not given Russel Brandt any value. I was wrong. Wow I've been missing out.. My Bad

    • @d3w222
      @d3w222 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      I don't know how old you are or if you are dying of natural causes, or thinking of suicide. This comment is also 6 months old. But if you are still alive and thinking of suicide, please get help. Your comment was written with such eloquency and yet also simplicity that it would be such a shame for you to end your "race" now. If you are sick or something similar and are still alive then again judging from the peace you've made, you have lived a good life making peace with your God. Go meet Him now :)
      And if you are already dead whilst I type this, I hope you can see this smiley face ---> :)

  • @darcewirralgan1379
    @darcewirralgan1379 3 ปีที่แล้ว +40

    These two men represent the different extremes of my mind. Love this conversation. Need more!

  • @colls891
    @colls891 5 ปีที่แล้ว +935

    This is what happens when somebody stops trying to put words in Jordan Petersons mouth and instead listens to what he actually says instead. Refreshing

    • @cameltube-vk7el
      @cameltube-vk7el 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      more than half way and RB continues to disappoint in many ways like interjecting babel...but will hold full comment till end lol

    • @LosRockson
      @LosRockson 5 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      You should watch Joe Rogan’s podcasts where he is a guest in, those are pure art.

    • @prodesu8607
      @prodesu8607 4 ปีที่แล้ว +30

      Man Jordan Peterson is so full of fluff. I'll listen to what he says but it's mostly shit. And no, it's not because I don't understand him, he uses alot of academic phrases and is probably a smart guy, but he really speaks such an unbelievable amount of bullshit.

    • @tomasreznicek
      @tomasreznicek 4 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      Yeah? In your view, what actually happened? I think only thing that happened is peterson talking unlimited nonsense

    • @TractionPhoto
      @TractionPhoto 4 ปีที่แล้ว +21

      Prodesu I am curious what you think is fluff and shit? I do not know anyone who thinks more deeply and clearly on what he believes, but maybe I am missing something. Can you give 3 or 4 examples? I don’t agree with everything he says, but I certainly do not see any of it as being bullshit. Who would you say articulates his point of view in a more coherent fashion?

  • @Eversca
    @Eversca 4 ปีที่แล้ว +454

    Brand is actually surprisingly good when he is talking to someone who is capable of keeping him from shooting himself off into space

    • @worthlesscoala
      @worthlesscoala 4 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      I like this comment!

    • @OleensEmbroidery
      @OleensEmbroidery 4 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      HaHa, True dat. Same can be said for JP.

    • @mopar340dave
      @mopar340dave 4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Yeah...but he's kind of an intelligent sounding idiot.

    • @mopar340dave
      @mopar340dave 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@OleensEmbroidery JP is always good.

    • @OleensEmbroidery
      @OleensEmbroidery 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@mopar340dave love him

  • @virgilxavier1
    @virgilxavier1 3 ปีที่แล้ว +33

    Also occured to me that Russel Brand may be sympathetic to JP's experience of being misrepresented and pilloried in the press for things taken out context and exaggerated.

  • @seamus9305
    @seamus9305 3 ปีที่แล้ว +113

    Until I saw this I didn't realize how slow my mind is.

    • @issamirza9019
      @issamirza9019 3 ปีที่แล้ว +13

      "I think the best approach to ameliorating inequalities is to strengthen the individual." -Jordan Peterson

    • @janet3782
      @janet3782 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      😂😂😂

    • @travisclark8431
      @travisclark8431 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Uhhhh....huhhhhh? Wha???

    • @phoenix.maximus
      @phoenix.maximus 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      just keep practicing, it'll catch up with practice

    • @gordonbennett23
      @gordonbennett23 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Stay away from JP's convo with Stephen Fry then. ;)

  • @jameshightower8875
    @jameshightower8875 6 ปีที่แล้ว +752

    Those last words were pretty powerful. “The best approach to eliminating inequality is to strengthen the individual.” This.

    • @andrewfrank7222
      @andrewfrank7222 5 ปีที่แล้ว +63

      More powerful would be the obvious answer as to how best do that....... Collectively. As Russel pointed out. Those who are strong enabling/leading the weak.
      Not a single human has made it entirely on their own merits. Tarzan even had an adopted parent.

    • @j_freed
      @j_freed 5 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      James Hightower - the Scand counties strengthened male and female individuality when they removed societal hurdles and make it easier for them to choose the job they wanted - and then the job choices of men and women were not the same BUT became equal in terms of being a matter of choice.

    • @blackbird7048
      @blackbird7048 5 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      @Andrew Frank.
      That's a farirytale opinion.
      Neither Hitler nor Stalin enabled the weak.
      Churchill certaily despised the weak.
      The strong like to lead to keep themselves stronger.

    • @LyteGamingLG
      @LyteGamingLG 5 ปีที่แล้ว +11

      I dont believe the strong lead to keep themselves stronger, the strong lead to protect/care for the weak, ones that are considered strong and abuse the leading role by trying to make the considered weak puppets are hiding the fact that they're weak themselves.

    • @andrewfrank7222
      @andrewfrank7222 5 ปีที่แล้ว +11

      ​@@blackbird7048 Funny but not surprising that your idea of strong rushes straight to Hitler and Stalin... You must be a Christian.
      My idea of strong is the educated teacher leading students in becoming critical thinking adults...
      Its okay. We know what you are.

  • @gchov
    @gchov 5 ปีที่แล้ว +668

    I’m a person of predominantly left views and I’ve only just gotten into Jordan Peterson; I think he speaks a lot of sense. I’ve watched a few of his videos now and I’ve seen no evidence of his views being negative or destructive. It’s purely intellectual, dissection of society to establish what is true. I’m glad I watched this. It looks like they had a meaningful discussion with very little disagreement

    • @BreatheDeepSeekPeace
      @BreatheDeepSeekPeace  5 ปีที่แล้ว +13

      I appreciate that. My experience has been similar. Thanks for watching, the full interview is linked up in the description above.

    • @RobinDivine777
      @RobinDivine777 5 ปีที่แล้ว +55

      Jordan has helped me shift from being far left wing to more centre in the last 2 years. I'm tired of this left v right bickering, we need balance and grounding, yin yang.

    • @watkinsrory
      @watkinsrory 5 ปีที่แล้ว +11

      afx777 I agree but its the voter that is to blame for this. We have created two camps that dominate our governments and our loyalty to these parties is just way over the top. Their dominance in politics needs to be challenged and only the voter can change this.

    • @mattoniy2840
      @mattoniy2840 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      I'm the same

    • @milleraquatics4586
      @milleraquatics4586 5 ปีที่แล้ว +12

      He's not a damn sheep, and neither is Russell. That's what you are watching. They can both admit that there's things that need addressed without division. Every damn political issue and narrative for how long now, is meant to keep us divided and fighting. The guys are ahead of their time but are speaking for those who are seeking the truth and real solutions. I would LOVE to see them run for president and vice president as independents I would vote for them without hesitation. They could expertly hand pick all the right people by collaborating to solve for who can address what issue. I see two guys who the sheep are wanting to be in total disagreement for entertainment.. who defy the odds because they know better. Look how easily they hear each other out with the goal being "getting to the root of the issue". Seeing the problem and putting bias aside to find the middle ground to solve the issue. I love this conversation. This is not a debate, it's problem solvers making sure to not leave anyone out.

  • @peterstromboli8979
    @peterstromboli8979 3 ปีที่แล้ว +16

    Watching two people engage in diplomatic relations while still remaining friendly is actualy quite nice

  • @47thking92
    @47thking92 3 ปีที่แล้ว +18

    Two of my favourite public speakers having a genuine, intellectual conversation. Brilliant 👏

    • @timsplanet2
      @timsplanet2 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Cathy Newman did a good job. She put him on the spot. Did you know that Jordan Peterson wants us to live in the sea, like lobsters? He’s ridiculous.
      Check out the interview. She really exposes him

  • @Skarimir
    @Skarimir 5 ปีที่แล้ว +257

    This isn't even a debate. It's a discussion. Which, don't get me wrong, is really refreshing to finally see :)

    • @kendrasspongeasmr210
      @kendrasspongeasmr210 5 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      Its a debate, not a fight

    • @NWLee
      @NWLee 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      It may be a debate, but Dr. P is not trying to "win", the exchange is for the purpose of development of ideas.

    • @tomasreznicek
      @tomasreznicek 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Its waste of time. They talk nonsense

    • @ZIbroweed
      @ZIbroweed 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@kendrasspongeasmr210 It's not a debate. It's an interview. Russel is asking Jordan clarifying questions. Some of them are challenges, but he's clearly not trying to disprove what Jordan says so much as require him to clarify his position where it might sound unreasonable to some. The line of questioning was pretty typical of friendly a interview from a at least partially opposing party.

  • @andysmith6124
    @andysmith6124 4 ปีที่แล้ว +535

    This was like watching the two halves of my personality in person talking excitedly to each other in the way my wife hates.

    • @Soul-driven
      @Soul-driven 4 ปีที่แล้ว +11

      Andy Smith thank you for this comment. I laughed my ass off. Ditto.

    • @sjk_vv5869
      @sjk_vv5869 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      I feel exactly the same about myself and I came looking for this comment. 💖

    • @pizzasmithdude
      @pizzasmithdude 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Why is this so relatable 😂

    • @kerrystephens8985
      @kerrystephens8985 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Andy Smith everything I love in a convo so interesting

    • @ronaldbronson1285
      @ronaldbronson1285 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Andy Smith I don’t have a wife but i agree wholeheartedly

  • @torbjornwiken
    @torbjornwiken 3 ปีที่แล้ว +24

    Wow, Russel Brand are the first interviewer that actually talk with JP! Great debate!

    • @timsplanet2
      @timsplanet2 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Cathy Newman did a good job. She put him on the spot. Did you know that Jordan Peterson wants us to live in the sea, like lobsters? He’s ridiculous.
      Check out the interview. She really exposes him

    • @lotusmoon8156
      @lotusmoon8156 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@timsplanet2 LOL attempt at sarcasim? she got smoked and exposed for the idiot that she is

  • @ishmaelsiddy2546
    @ishmaelsiddy2546 3 ปีที่แล้ว +66

    This was a more a discussion than an interview. Loved every minute of it.

    • @Murasame13
      @Murasame13 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Hence the title? Debate/discuss? lol

  • @JohnSmith-qg7me
    @JohnSmith-qg7me 4 ปีที่แล้ว +379

    "The solution to the problem of inequality is not sociological, its psychological". We must therefore "strengthen the individual". This could be a discussion upon which both political parties might agree to explore.

    • @Tufarock
      @Tufarock 4 ปีที่แล้ว +11

      Unfortunately, there is no realistic solution to the problem of inequality.

    • @fshn4x4
      @fshn4x4 4 ปีที่แล้ว +20

      It's a perception vs reality problem where many people prefer a bigger piece of a smaller pie rather than a smaller piece of a bigger pie, yet nobody spends any time talking about how much boysenberry you're pocketing at the end of the day.
      It's a question everyone seems to be skirting. Isn't it obvious that the division is basically "it doesn't matter how much people have if they feel cheated" vs "it doesn't matter how cheated people feel if they have this much"?
      And a spiritual system is how society has always bridged the gap between the engine of self-interest and the societal necessity for selfless compassion.

    • @cajun1253
      @cajun1253 4 ปีที่แล้ว +17

      @Lee 1227 so we are left with the options of having a system that’s not perfect but with enough hard work and understanding you can become comfortable or a system where people are told - your a victim , it’s ok , it’s not your fault. The victim mentality is a disaster waiting to happen but know that your responsible for your success and failures does give you the incentive to work harder because you find out that it does pay off. Hard work alone doesn’t achieve a level of comfort all by itself , we must learn the rules and work the rules to our favor. Teaching our kids how money and interest work are a must. Learning how real estate deals work is great too. We can’t just break our backs working and expect gold , we’ve got to learn how to pull ourselves up from the ground level and up to the managerial level or even ownership level and then pass that knowledge onto our kids. Then after passing that info on to them we must allow them to fail while instilling into them the determination of not giving up , to fighting for better and to not catch them every single time they fall. This comes from someone who had a victim mentality at a time and lost it and I became a better person for it. It’s also coming from a parent that struggles not to catch their kid on every mistake especially when I know how mean the world can be. No I don’t throw them to the wolves but instead show them a better way and just be there when they need help. I raised fighters , not physically but mentally so I have faith in them.

    • @ChakFan69
      @ChakFan69 4 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      @@cajun1253 One can have the responsibility to be the best of himself or herself AND at the same realize the society with its capitalist system is far from perfect and doesn't promote equal chance of opportunity (not outcome). Therefore, for example, many marginalized people have to work so much harder to reach the same level of success of another privileged person in a Western society. When you see a marginalized person succeed, that's inspiring of course and all people should follow such examples and take responsibility regardless of the hand we are dealt with BUT that doesn't mean people should be blind to social injustices. That's not good imo. Sociological approaches aren't all useless. How black people got their rights? Didn't they fight for it through social movements? Current women's rights as well was a result of many years of social feminist movements in the past. Here, Peterson implies that black people or women should have just sucked it up and take responsibility for their shortcomings in a white-dominant societies. I certainly don't agree that sociological thinking is totally useless like Peterson suggests and I'm a psych major btw. I agree however, that strengthening the individual is a psychological matter and is the bigger contributor for real change which can hopefully lead to more social change that promotes more equality.
      This is why Brand doesn't completely agree with Peterson here imo and I can see why. Key word is "completely" because Brand does see the logic of Peterson's view point and I also agree with Jordan on most of what he said. Just not completely.

    • @clarkkent3730
      @clarkkent3730 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      its neither sociological nor psychological.....it is spiritual

  • @compagniaelvira
    @compagniaelvira 5 ปีที่แล้ว +702

    There's one thing wrong with this video.
    It ends.

    • @lisadixon6617
      @lisadixon6617 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Rolando G I think the full interview is somewhere. And I think this interview is from a while ago 🤔

    • @marcolini1972
      @marcolini1972 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Yes. Too short. Too good.

    • @insanebmxthomas
      @insanebmxthomas 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      life is suffering

    • @rainbowtoesocks
      @rainbowtoesocks 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      It's from 'under the skin' a longform podcast by Russell brand

    • @boahnation9932
      @boahnation9932 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      The full version is on Russell's TH-cam channel :)

  • @johnnygierak9274
    @johnnygierak9274 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    “Tyranny is the deliberate removal of nuance”
    “That’s a good phrase”
    “Good shit, isn’t it?”
    Beautiful interaction 😂

  • @shakyleg5929
    @shakyleg5929 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Thanks to these two, this channel, and whoever was involved in broadcasting this. It can at the least be an example of how to discuss issues and maybe finding good solutions.

  • @billsmith3042
    @billsmith3042 5 ปีที่แล้ว +249

    Russell is very much a socratic thinker and questioner, its just that his eccentric personality kind of masks it. I find his approach to people and issues to be very incisive and honest, and I love his insertions of humor. He clearly operates comfortably in the realm of principle, which is why he is now at odds with liberal politicians; he calls them out in principle and they cannot deal with it.

    • @imouttagum
      @imouttagum 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      subscribed, i hope you have some good shit in your playlists

    • @keithhinchcliffe4377
      @keithhinchcliffe4377 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      and conservative politicians can? why the discrimination?

    • @mojopin70
      @mojopin70 5 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      It's really quite simple, beyond Socrates and politics lies the truth , once you become fully self aware it is very easy to see that all is bullshit.

    • @theSPECIALbrew74
      @theSPECIALbrew74 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Keith Hinchcliffe the right can at least seem the more an honest asshole while lefties/labour/social groups claim to be for the majority yet make laws that don’t change anything just reinforce what’s there. The left left the middle and working class and have got into the same beds as the right. Billionaires bankers and brothels.

    • @lizardas
      @lizardas 5 ปีที่แล้ว +11

      @@keithhinchcliffe4377 Russell has always been at odds with conservative politicians, and is very well known for it. People assume that he's a liberal himself, when actually he has transcended the right-left dichotomy and is searching for answers, solutions, enlightenment.

  • @archie4497
    @archie4497 4 ปีที่แล้ว +640

    It’s like listening to a dictionary debate a thesaurus

    • @analisesmith1378
      @analisesmith1378 4 ปีที่แล้ว +12

      Dictionary = Brand
      Thesaurus = Peterson ?

    • @samuelmorse784
      @samuelmorse784 4 ปีที่แล้ว +54

      Jordan =encyclopedia. RUSSELL is the third grade spelling book.

    • @jaysilverstone7221
      @jaysilverstone7221 4 ปีที่แล้ว +132

      It's like listening to a comedian speaking with a clinical psychologist.

    • @archie4497
      @archie4497 4 ปีที่แล้ว +15

      Bet you’re real proud of that one

    • @analisesmith1378
      @analisesmith1378 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      SW lol

  • @allyson0livia
    @allyson0livia 3 ปีที่แล้ว +16

    Russell Brand deserves an award for making Jordan Peterson laugh! 🏆 I’ve never even hardly seen a smile out of him. Russell is so open, he actually inspired Jordan to let his guard down because he wasn’t being attacked throughout the entire interview...then a belly laugh trickled through. 😉 Lovely to watch two highly intelligent people enjoy each other’s conversation and company!

  • @kevinhaughey454
    @kevinhaughey454 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Thank you for modeling conversation civilly considering different perspectives. We must have much more of this!

  • @1stSonOfJames
    @1stSonOfJames 4 ปีที่แล้ว +235

    It’s rare that someone can make Jorden Peterson genuinely burst into laughter. Intelligence is at work here folks... pay attention.

    • @klugevil
      @klugevil 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      You misunderstand inteligence and wisdom

    • @cspace1234nz
      @cspace1234nz 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@klugevil ....exactly.

    • @SirPhilMcCrackinVonBeggington
      @SirPhilMcCrackinVonBeggington 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      I don't see Brand's intelligence on display here. He regurgitates memes like "fuck capitalism" without actually providing any thoughts of his own.

    • @KingNeptune151
      @KingNeptune151 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      No, they’re both Gemini’s

    • @skat0rzZzz
      @skat0rzZzz 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Watch him appear on Theo Von.

  • @Jackdelroy1
    @Jackdelroy1 5 ปีที่แล้ว +380

    These two should have a weekly T.V. show. That would be sweet.

    • @TheAllBlue139
      @TheAllBlue139 5 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      I'd 100% watch that!

    • @carrieoff
      @carrieoff 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      It would be 100 percent progressive

    • @DWinegarden2
      @DWinegarden2 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      Well then, you should just watch this clip over and over again, because they both just say the same thing over and over again.

    • @AWSOMEPOSSUM16
      @AWSOMEPOSSUM16 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      *Intellectual Crossfire, with your hosts Guru Brand and Dr. Peterson coming next summer to NBC*

    • @tomasreznicek
      @tomasreznicek 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      What’d be sweet about it? Wasted time?

  • @joemyers83
    @joemyers83 4 ปีที่แล้ว +20

    I could watch this all day. I wish our government could get their act together and have discussions like this.

    • @jldude84
      @jldude84 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Our government isn't interested in such things, they're interested in doing the bidding of those behind the curtain pulling their strings.

    • @misterm1336
      @misterm1336 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Because of the way the mind of a politician works.
      A politician will never be a sincere person as first of all, they have to lie.

  • @jaregg
    @jaregg 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    This is how discussions should be! Both respectful, both bringing brilliant points, and even a bit of humor!

  • @EdiChiArt
    @EdiChiArt 5 ปีที่แล้ว +139

    I have never seen Peterson so personable in an interview before. This is what a true conversation looks like. If only politicians applied it....imagine the possibilities =)

    • @davidchoate4533
      @davidchoate4533 5 ปีที่แล้ว +17

      ^^^ THIS! I think this is where you have to give Brand credit. Peterson sees through pretense and will hammer it. But, it seems like Peterson recognizes the honesty of Brand's questions and responds accordingly.

    • @jesswoodland
      @jesswoodland 5 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      Brand is always a very warm and gracious interviewer

    • @jamesstewart7625
      @jamesstewart7625 5 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Yes but re-watch it and notice the number of time he interrupts Russell.... Dozens of times. He continually insinuates meanings, focuses on partial points, stops Russell from developing full concepts......He is so eager to take over. Russell shows his higher level of enlightenment by letting him thrash about.

    • @zephodx
      @zephodx 5 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      @@jamesstewart7625
      I see the converse.
      We all have our subjective "truth,"
      And therein lies the rub.

    • @oldsjunkie1
      @oldsjunkie1 5 ปีที่แล้ว +12

      @@jamesstewart7625 HUH. Seems that they were both finishing most thoughts pretty regularly. Interrupting nearly equal and only lightly at the end of thoughts in order to transition. Perspective is key I reckon.

  • @Fyrecide
    @Fyrecide 4 ปีที่แล้ว +154

    Take notes, humans:
    *This* is how 2 people have a discussion about ideas. Not by insults, not by screaming, and not by trying to diminish each other: by listening, acknowledging and actively trying to understand the other person's perspective, and most of all by being informed/educated & thoughtful.

    • @joerioux6983
      @joerioux6983 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      You should edit this to say
      Take note Liberals and Progressives:

    • @Fyrecide
      @Fyrecide 4 ปีที่แล้ว +12

      @@joerioux6983 Wow... you read that and STILL missed the point.

    • @joerioux6983
      @joerioux6983 4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      @@Fyrecide Didn't miss it at all... Let me point out that the only people screaming and calling names are radical lefties.The rest of us have common sense which is why we are not radical

    • @Fyrecide
      @Fyrecide 4 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      @@joerioux6983 Yes... you definitely did.

    • @joerioux6983
      @joerioux6983 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@Fyrecide I don't think someone who lives in a video game should be giving advise....

  • @nobigtechcensorship2605
    @nobigtechcensorship2605 3 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    2 people this intelligent and educated having such a wonderful conversation is rare. And we need more of this. Especially on big platforms. 2 men very different, like them or not being rational.

    • @backroomsspecialist6079
      @backroomsspecialist6079 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      The irony.

    • @rebrock67
      @rebrock67 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Brand has another video with Candace Owens that is really good! They do not agree but there is not screaming, name calling or belittling by them. If you haven't seen it, you might look it up.

  • @WayneLynch69
    @WayneLynch69 3 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    Peterson proves he's serious intellect by having no difficulty asking "who's he" regarding quote by Maysles.
    Most of us woud be afraid of displaying ignorance.

  • @mogznwaz
    @mogznwaz 4 ปีที่แล้ว +91

    I have really grown to respect Russell Brand and his fairness to guests who are considered 'controversial' like Jordan Peterson and Candace Owens and the way he treats them with respect, like human beings.

    • @datanautastv3188
      @datanautastv3188 4 ปีที่แล้ว +12

      That's because Brand has manners. Jordan was very respectful too but if you watch Brand under attack, youll see that he navigates through it masterfully.

    • @sabin97
      @sabin97 4 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      i have genuinely mixed feelings about peterson.
      he handles the sjw beautifully. and i say this as a brown non-christian who speaks a language the average monoglot of usa cant understand. the sjw and their soft racism of lowered expectations are quite annoying.....and a plethora of other things.
      however when he starts spewing bullshit about a "metaphysical substrate" and defending christianity(and confusing it with judaism, even thought they are mutually exclusive), he stops sounding like an intellectual, and starts sounding like the white deepak chopra.....all that's missing from his word salad is "subjective experience"

    • @sabin97
      @sabin97 4 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      @@fealdorf
      "christianity and judaism are NOT different religions"
      actually they are not just different, but they are 100% mutually exclusive, at their very core.
      the jew version of yahweh sabaoth(originally the canaanite god of war) is a single god. no divine jesus. no magic pigeon.
      it also includes no "heaven" and no "hell".
      the christian version of yahweh sabaoth necessarily includes a divine jesus, a magic pigeon, a heaven and a hell.
      but peterson keeps confusing both religions using terms like "judeochristian". he'd be better off using "muslim-christian" as islam is significantly more compatible with christianity than judaism(which should really be called jewism, as it's the jews worshiping themselves through their puppet god).
      the muslim version of yahweh sabaoth is a single god like the jew version, it includes no divine jesus and no magic pigeon.
      but it does have a "heaven" and a "hell". so it's 50% compatible with the christian version.
      so in short, he's awesome when dealing with the sjw and their bullshit....but he's awful when spewing christian bullshit. he's the christian deepak chopra. meaningless word salads that are worse than a metaphysical substrate.

    • @ExistBetter
      @ExistBetter 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@sabin97 So... we can't talk about subjective experiences having any learning value? lol jesus.

    • @sabin97
      @sabin97 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@ExistBetter could you copy-paste what i said that led you to conclude that?
      once you do i can gently explain why your conclusion is incorrect.

  • @ralphholiman7401
    @ralphholiman7401 4 ปีที่แล้ว +193

    "They're not going to steal their own money, now are they?" Brand is quick.

    • @masescranton9630
      @masescranton9630 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Shows were comic levity can really and to a serious conversation without degrading it. I caught that also Ralph.

    • @masescranton9630
      @masescranton9630 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Add to conversation. I meant to write.

    • @charitysChannels
      @charitysChannels 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      That one made me laugh. Totally took me by surprise. 😂

    • @nigelnyoni8265
      @nigelnyoni8265 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      "have sex with their own sleeping bodies" 😂🤣

  • @alastairdrummond5441
    @alastairdrummond5441 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    I love this, so nice to see 2 intelligent people with different ideals and opinions just willing to learn from one another, and not just put down any ideals that don't fit their own agendas

  • @fkillah
    @fkillah 3 ปีที่แล้ว +15

    Inequality is not the problem, it’s the pursuit to make everyone equal the problem. Equal opportunity is what should be strived for and not equal outcome. Everyone is an individual and should not be grouped into a homogenous box.

  • @londongoddamnit
    @londongoddamnit 5 ปีที่แล้ว +299

    Russell did a really good job with this. It's great to see someone ask Jordan some new and thoughtful questions.

    • @TS-mo6pn
      @TS-mo6pn 5 ปีที่แล้ว +19

      I think Russell is too impatient. Dr. Peterson was not able to fully articulate many of his responses without being interrupted.

    • @RyanDownes000
      @RyanDownes000 5 ปีที่แล้ว +27

      TS I thought the same but in fairness I don’t think it’s impatience, I think Russell’s just a very excitable chap.

    • @lightfire3447
      @lightfire3447 5 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      ...shame Russell wouldn't let him answer...

    • @drewhaffner3484
      @drewhaffner3484 5 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Idk man I think Russel had some good stuff to say. They were almost getting to some kind of conclusion before the video ended.

    • @borisjo13
      @borisjo13 5 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      @@TS-mo6pn This is a conversation, not a debate. You can't have long undisrupted answers in a conversation.

  • @marcolini1972
    @marcolini1972 5 ปีที่แล้ว +119

    I wish conversations on ideals were always conducted in such a respectful banter. They both made beautiful points and the ideas were actually being refined to a middle ground.

    • @kennyfernandez2866
      @kennyfernandez2866 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Yeah. To me that's the definition of a conversation, where truth is the highest value. Not ego, not power plays against each other. The subtlety and gentleness of both is beautiful and sadly unsual.

    • @augustsawzak5401
      @augustsawzak5401 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Can you imagine if presidential debates worked like this? It would be incredible.

    • @snowfalleon7629
      @snowfalleon7629 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      It makes me wonder how original the thoughts of other comedians are besides Brand and joe rogan

    • @kennyfernandez2866
      @kennyfernandez2866 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@snowfalleon7629 What do you mean? There are a lot of original comedians out there. I wouldn't say Rogan is one of them. Although I saw a clip today and it made me laugh.

    • @snowfalleon7629
      @snowfalleon7629 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      . in the 90s comedians like louis black and dan carlin questioned a lot of commonly held assumptions to a large audience am3d i just wonder if comedians wouldn't tend to think of a lot of concepts, that are seen as axiomatic, in novel ways, that's largely what they do. Joe rogan comes across to me as an abstract thinker in some areas, why else would he have guests who are anti imperialists and a former cop who's speaking out.

  • @McrueProductions
    @McrueProductions 4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Could watch for hours these two. What a great conversation

  • @daveisoverproduced
    @daveisoverproduced 6 ปีที่แล้ว +800

    Nice to see an intelligent, non-ideological discussion (one with nuance!) for a change.

    • @egoomega
      @egoomega 6 ปีที่แล้ว +12

      that's what i love about both these guys, and people in general who are capable of doing such. being like that is the 'true' way of being progressive and caring about folks and being open minded and truth seeking and on the side of 'good' .... in my opinion....

    • @lowellfultz1990
      @lowellfultz1990 6 ปีที่แล้ว +14

      Exactly ! You'd be hard pressed to find two people with more diametrically opposing political ideologies then these two. Yet they were able to carry on an intelligent & congenial conversation ABOUT their differences. The kind of discourse we need A LOT more of.

    • @thelaughingman4791
      @thelaughingman4791 6 ปีที่แล้ว +26

      It is, but at the same time I'm sad to see there isn't more of that in the comments. So many people watching Jordan's videos in particular just want to insist that he is 'destroying' whoever he talks to even when the video is Jordan trying his best to have a respectful and productive conversation. I hate that so many people watching don't seem to really be paying attention to the conversation, just waiting for their champion to land a sick burn so they can feel their side 'won'.

    • @michaelemohagen9771
      @michaelemohagen9771 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Loving it!

    • @bobsmithers1924
      @bobsmithers1924 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@lowellfultz1990
      No we don't.

  • @BreatheDeepSeekPeace
    @BreatheDeepSeekPeace  6 ปีที่แล้ว +504

    Although I don't always feel that Brand is especially precise, I'm still mildly surprised at the general reaction to him in this particular conversation. I thought he held his own, as did Peterson, which made for a more expansive dialogue than we typically see.

    • @bobsmithers1924
      @bobsmithers1924 5 ปีที่แล้ว +11

      What you're really saying is they had a conversation that you're incapable of carrying on. I find brand rather exact in almost everything he says, and I say almost everything he says because he does speak rather quickly his mind is sharp as a tack so I can't always perceive what he had just said because he's already on to something else. One has to be quick like a bunny to keep up with him. And he gave Jordan much respect in the idea of not cutting him off not interrupting rudely but just actually adding to the conversation of the moment. And vice versa for Jordan towards brand. A question that I have would be how would they get along regarding a much more sensitive but absolutely vital subject as in trans gay pedophilia, you know people that are genitalia oriented as an obsession. It affects children in the most selfish of ways. Because they need to be understood so badly that they're willing to trample upon the innocence of children, so as to be heard which is absolute pathetic narcissism. I wonder how they, Peterson Brand, would get along in such a volatile subject matter discussion...?

    • @cassandrafrancais5358
      @cassandrafrancais5358 5 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Breathe Deep, Seek Peace odd comment for channel title - just my opinion :)

    • @EvilKris
      @EvilKris 5 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      He does fall over himself sometimes but here he was spot-on. I specifically agree that ‘spiritual strengthening’ is an underlooked element of what makes certain societies/nationalities do better than others.

    • @bobsmithers1924
      @bobsmithers1924 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@EvilKris I would bitch slap brand... then buy him a beer.

    • @BreatheDeepSeekPeace
      @BreatheDeepSeekPeace  5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@bobsmithers1924 Is your name actually Bob Smithers?

  • @mr.melonheaddd
    @mr.melonheaddd 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Always an honor to see these two in a conversation together ❤

  • @evilistjoe
    @evilistjoe 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    This is great because it’s here is no ulterior motive beyond understanding. There is also such humility between the participants that allows for such a great conversation. Good points all around.

  • @bryanmcguire3747
    @bryanmcguire3747 5 ปีที่แล้ว +785

    The problem with inequality is that people are unequally created. I can't play the guitar like Hendrix or paint like Monet. People need equality of opportunity, not outcomes. Remove any barriers and let people flourish on their own abilities and limitations.

    • @tjti2631
      @tjti2631 5 ปีที่แล้ว +28

      Bryan McGuire the problem is what to do with the people who can’t flourish or what to do with people who flourish too well . So well that they become tyrannical.

    • @ThePeaceableKingdom
      @ThePeaceableKingdom 5 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      "People need equality of opportunity, not outcomes."
      How do you propose that people who are born tone-deaf be given an equal opportunity to play the guitar like Jimi Hendrix with people who are born with a preternatural talent for playing the guitar?

    • @jakobthomasson1567
      @jakobthomasson1567 5 ปีที่แล้ว +65

      ​@@ThePeaceableKingdom That would fall under "not outcome".
      Let's say:
      1. We both want to become scientist in the field of physics.
      2.You're good at math and logical thinking and I'm really bad at it.
      Equality of opportunity, would in this case be:
      - We both have the possibility to go to school (see 1) .
      And based on our performance and our individual traits you will get selected to continue studying and eventually become a professor at a school.
      And I won't because I didn't perform at the required level, see 1.
      We both got the same opportunity, but the outcome varied because Darwin basically.
      Equality of outcome would be that we toss a coin about it because we both wanted it.

    • @ohd00bley
      @ohd00bley 5 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      Bryan McGuire - I agree we all should be provided equal opportunity and agree the outcomes will not be equal. What most people don't factor into equation is wealth. We can look at our current President, he was fairly elected President using current laws. Look at his administration his daughter and son in law currently hold positions that I see no demonstrable qualifications for them to hold those position. This is true in everyday life, people are clannish in behavior and tend overwhelming to behave favorably to someone they perceive in their clan. How subjective we are in are selection process for any opportunity is a critical factor in success. That has been proven many times. The same is true in criminal justice. You cannot honestly use people with obviously superior traits or talents to average people.
      for example: www.nber.org/digest/sep03/w9873.html
      www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/our-emotional-footprint/201607/us-and-themtwo-solitudes

    • @ThePeaceableKingdom
      @ThePeaceableKingdom 5 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      @@jakobthomasson1567 To me that sounds like "the outcome determines the opportunity" - we just get to say it's _not our fault!;_ blame God, or Nature, or chance, or something else. If everybody can apply for the job but I've already decided that Sally gets it, does everybody really have an equal opportunity? Seems to me we either say, "Screw the losers, the Devil take the hindmost" or we can create a society where everyone prospers together. That's tough to do though. I'm not saying it's easy or obvious...

  • @Balthazar2242
    @Balthazar2242 5 ปีที่แล้ว +67

    "Listen to people, assuming they know something that you don't." This might be what this looks like.

  • @powderedground78
    @powderedground78 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Jordan's appreciation for the Albert Maysles quote was special. "That's very nice, who said that?". Appreciation for language and words. As well as some intelligent debate. Really enjoyable.

  • @frusia123
    @frusia123 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    So refreshing to hear this kind of conversation, we so desperately need more of that in today's world.

  • @karmicmessenger
    @karmicmessenger 5 ปีที่แล้ว +179

    Seems to me that mr. Peterson is focused on a clear understanding of what is whereas mr. Brand focuses more on what could be. They are of the same heart, and this respectful discussion is proof. They are both masters at articulating the core concepts of their respective points of view.

    • @Missjunebugfreak
      @Missjunebugfreak 5 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      I think that's why I find this discussion so refreshing. They're both able to eloquently put forth their own take on the topic without dismissing the other's perspective. It's rather refreshing.

    • @dazskadi612
      @dazskadi612 4 ปีที่แล้ว +15

      Russell focuses on an idealistic future, Peterson, seems to focus on hard evidence and data, he never seems to review data with an opinion on what he wants the date to read, but more rather read the data and have it tell you what is happening.
      To me, this is it right here, you need this level of logic, and this level of spirituality and compassion as a unified force in order to create great outcomes. These are the kinda people who should be running the world

    • @noblethumos8031
      @noblethumos8031 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Yes, good astute observation. Brand is concerned with what 'ought' to be from a liberal idealistic perspective, whilst Peterson is concerned with what 'is' from a more pragmatic, realistic and rational perspective. It's the philosopher David Hume's 'Is/Ought problem' in a nutshell.

    • @joshuadelaunay2980
      @joshuadelaunay2980 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Karmicmessenger excellent analysis

    • @kennyfernandez2866
      @kennyfernandez2866 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@dazskadi612 I rarely see such deep truths expressed in words. You, my friend are a respectable person.

  • @129jaystreet
    @129jaystreet 4 ปีที่แล้ว +227

    "Don't confuse compassion for solutions."

    • @kennethalbert4653
      @kennethalbert4653 4 ปีที่แล้ว +26

      @ufarley chuck: the quote stands on it's own!

    • @ingsoc9066
      @ingsoc9066 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      in it's broadest sense we all understand what he means so it furthers the argument, but one aspect was overlooked: greater compassion would manifest in lower levels of inequality, so working towards a more compassionate society is in fact 'a solution' of sorts

    • @kennethalbert4653
      @kennethalbert4653 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @@ingsoc9066: could you explain how more compassion leads to less inequality? I'm not seeing any mechanism there.

    • @xxghastlytonerxx
      @xxghastlytonerxx 4 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      ufarley chuck I gave you a 👎 because you didn’t specify why it even matters and because ig you need someone to explain to you why 2+2=4 thanks anyway

    • @kenburns4547
      @kenburns4547 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      And don't confuse psychopathy for intelligence.

  • @Randomdudepklr
    @Randomdudepklr 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Two of my favorite intellectuals having a fantastic and inspiring conversation, respectfully from differing views with similar grand ideals. This was an amazing interaction.

  • @louiseah7662
    @louiseah7662 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    This really is the epitome example of a conversation, and the fact that a conversation can still occur in today’s society, where ideas and opinions can be discussed and shared and provide insight to both parties.

  • @liamlabelle8653
    @liamlabelle8653 4 ปีที่แล้ว +83

    This is what a healthy disagreement looks like.

  • @ZagrasNixillis
    @ZagrasNixillis 5 ปีที่แล้ว +591

    My respect for Russell Brand has been on the rise as of late.

    • @SolidSiren
      @SolidSiren 5 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      @jimboslice613 Do you know him personally? Do you have any flaws? A person is more than the sum of their choices. At least they can be.

    • @evenwoldsund323
      @evenwoldsund323 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      what your tendency to impersonate him as well?

    • @crypticgnome4698
      @crypticgnome4698 5 ปีที่แล้ว +26

      @jimboslice613 Where or when has anyone ever claimed he's a pedo?

    • @stephenfletcher5391
      @stephenfletcher5391 5 ปีที่แล้ว +19

      @jimboslice613 What evidence do you or anyone have of your claim that he's a paedo? That is a very hard psychopathic accusation to make without evidence on a very good discussion.

    • @ZagrasNixillis
      @ZagrasNixillis 5 ปีที่แล้ว +12

      Jimbo ad hominem does not in any way bring validity to your already fractured argument. You have no empirical evidence to justify your claim. Move on and stop poisoning the internet with conspiracy theories.

  • @Plons0Nard
    @Plons0Nard 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I so much enjoyed watching these two men discuss AND have joy, having this conversation. Other video's I have watched of Jordan, he is so mis-understood, and now he even laughs, having a different view on things. Love it 💪👍🤝🇳🇱

  • @davvidcamachoromero3057
    @davvidcamachoromero3057 3 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    It’s so wholesome watching Jordan and Russell laughing

  • @Jam5zW
    @Jam5zW 5 ปีที่แล้ว +95

    Though I disagree with a lot of what Russel Brand says I respect his willingness to be open to honestly listen to ideas and learn. I believe he’s intellectually honest and genuine.

    • @watkinsrory
      @watkinsrory 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      In this instance yes he has shown a willingness to listen but that is as far as it goes.

    • @bennyjones1502
      @bennyjones1502 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@watkinsrory From what I've seen and experienced, the people that fit your definition of "that is as far as it goes" is a very small percentage of people, especially those with such a public platform as his. Oftentimes, it is as important to recognize how you think someone is wrong as how they handle themselves while they are arguing from that place.

    • @Vikkadinho
      @Vikkadinho 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      I don't know if it's just my perception but I've always found Russell Brand to come across like he's trying too hard with his language and some of the words and terms he comes out with!
      To his credit he asked some fair questions in this conversation but it seemed like Jordan was just educating him in the end!

    • @brianbaur8459
      @brianbaur8459 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@Vikkadinho to be fair tho not many people can hold a full conversation with Peterson without being educated lmfao

    • @Vikkadinho
      @Vikkadinho 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@brianbaur8459 Haha very true! But it's really funny when people look like they're going out of their way to seem like they're on a level playing field....just stay in your lanes people! 😅

  • @FarSeeker8
    @FarSeeker8 4 ปีที่แล้ว +173

    "I think the best approach to ameliorating inequalities is to strengthen the individual." -Jordan Peterson

    • @5T3V3NB
      @5T3V3NB 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Whoomp... there it is!
      👍🏻👍🏻

    • @smartquotes6838
      @smartquotes6838 4 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      Quazi Roberts not really

    • @fuzzball297
      @fuzzball297 4 ปีที่แล้ว +19

      Yeah, but that’s naïve. Not everyone can pave their own way or become their own boss under capitalism. It simply doesn’t allow for it.

    • @stevenfalls2297
      @stevenfalls2297 4 ปีที่แล้ว +11

      @@fuzzball297 Capitalism allows you the opportunity more so than any other system.

    • @martinpfyl8798
      @martinpfyl8798 4 ปีที่แล้ว +16

      Not in the united states it doesnt. We have ruthless unfettered capitalism which lead to the greatest wealth disparity in over one hundred years. We didn't even have a middle class until the vast majority of the population demanded that fdr stop the industrialists from stealing all the fruits of our collective labor. That lead to unemployment insurance, social security ect. Since 1980 all of those reforms have been systematically destroyed by those same robber barons under the guise of the right left pardigm. Not to mention Russell brand as well as jordan Peterson both come from more compassionate countries than the united states. At least they know the citizens who live in the UK and Canada won't go bankrupt if they get sick unlike the USA. The USA is more backwards than most civilized countries around the world and that is attributed to the competitive structure of capitalism. Competition leads to conflict. Which then inevitably leads to violence. This explains why the USA spends 3 quarters of a trillion dollars per year on the military more than the next 7 countries combined and are the world aggressors, attacking countries that didn't attack us while stealing their resources and using their people for slave labour. To say that unfettered capitalism isn't to blame seems a little naive and defies logic.

  • @DjNoNameNL
    @DjNoNameNL 4 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    One of the rare interviews with Peterson with someone with a different opinion i truly enjoyed watching.

  • @offshoretomorrow3346
    @offshoretomorrow3346 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Way more constructive than I expected. Good stuff, Russell.

  • @IntiArtDesigns
    @IntiArtDesigns 4 ปีที่แล้ว +285

    The JBP in me: This was a highly intellectually stimulating conversation to survey and assimilate.
    The Brand in me: This was some good shit!

    • @karolrvn
      @karolrvn 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      :). I get Your point.
      But I could imagine Brand also uttering something like "This was a highly intellectually stimulating conversation to survey and assimilate" :)

    • @SpitfireAce
      @SpitfireAce 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@derekboyt3383 Very interesting comment. Am I understanding you correctly if I say you mean that any one-way approach to go about ending inequality is doomed to failure because of these methods growing exponentially out of control? So for instance, going Brand's route of spirituality, we could potentially grow far too spiritual, and perhaps this would manifest itself in oppressive religious institutions?
      I'm certainly a proponent of having a mixed bag of left- and rightwing policies. It does seem to me like we have to allow for some inequality lest we run the risk of destroying incentives for people to excel and do something with their lives. Similarly providing economic benefits to people who are down on their luck in one way or another also seems to be a good thing to do.
      I think however that we should be very cautious about removing too many obstacles for people. I think people are actually extremely durable and can endure a lot of hardship, and grow and develop greater character and experience and knowledge as a result. Perhaps this bickering between the left and right is a result of too much comfort. Perhaps people need some perspective in order to notice "hey, this situation really isn't that bad after all".
      Historically I believe this risk of growing too complacent was managed by wars and famines. Crises do seem to bring people together. Perhaps this is why, ultimately, all great empires and kingdoms fall? What can be done to prevent this decline? We certainly don't want to start any wars...

    • @SpitfireAce
      @SpitfireAce 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      ​@@derekboyt3383 I agree with everything you've said.
      My question wasn't meant to imply that either Brand nor Peterson were fanatical or extreme in any way. I certainly don't believe they are. It was more alluding to the propensity of ideas to spiral out of control in societies, as opposed to a more balanced and sensible approach.
      I really like Peterson's idea of balancing Order and Chaos, though it is an ancient idea. I think the idea is wise beyond comprehension. It may be considered, if one were a pragmatist, to be true. It seems to apply on any level of analysis; societal, individual, global.
      Walking the line of order and chaos seems to bring stability and creativity to a harmonious symbiosis. It is where the state of flow is achieved, and what beautiful state of being it is.

    • @IntiArtDesigns
      @IntiArtDesigns 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@derekboyt3383 I agree. All people are born equal in rights and freedoms under natural law, though. This is true equality, and a type of equality you don't see being talked about often by governments or authoritarians, or even the left.
      Sure, not everybody has the same opportunity to exercise them, someone might be so unfortunate as to be born into the underground sex trade and live their whole lives as a slave. Having said that however, pretty much every human born alive today (who is registered at birth into state citizenship) is born into bondage. But, those inherent inalienable natural birth rights still always exist, nobody can ever take them away. An individual can waiver them, knowingly or unknowingly, or an external entity can unlawfully force and impose their will upon you in blatant disregard of those rights and freedoms, AKA fascism.
      The state of global slavery today is a mixture of the two, partly an overbearing, overreaching, tyrannical control system... but one that operates technically "by the books" in a legal fashion, that's it's actually more down to our own ignorance than anything. Tyranny by the books, and slavery by consent. People need to wake up and rediscover their inherent self worth before 1984 becomes a reality.

    • @sabin97
      @sabin97 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@IntiArtDesigns
      sadly i live in a capitalist regime.
      so if i refuse to participate in it, i will be left destitute. and i will still be participating in it, just in a significantly worse position than i am now. the super rich are definitely not slaves. they dont even work for a living. their wealth is created by others....take for example steve jobs. he had a ridiculous amount of wealth....built by chinese children....
      also rights are not natural. they are literally a social construct. not in the way sjws claim everything is a social construct. but in the literal sense of it. rights only apply in the context of a society(meaning more than one human).
      you can do this thought experiment.
      go to the jungle on your own, with no other humans. what rights do you have there? none.
      so right now the super rich have us all grabbed by the balls....until we can figure out a way of freeing ourselves, our best move is to stay still.....

  • @Eric_Smith2662
    @Eric_Smith2662 4 ปีที่แล้ว +157

    I thought he said Bob Ross taught him about meditation

    • @jennj9026
      @jennj9026 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      omg me too! ha ha! That's a good visual!

    • @markmalinowski4196
      @markmalinowski4196 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Eric Smith .... haha! Solid!

    • @riverpsalmdarksteel5194
      @riverpsalmdarksteel5194 3 ปีที่แล้ว +15

      Now, just focus on your happy little breaths ..

    • @dcooperpromanager
      @dcooperpromanager 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      No he taught him 'happy places' such as a trappers cottage to meditate.

    • @D0NCH33T0
      @D0NCH33T0 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Yeah the names are spelled almost exactly alike lol

  • @danielbrown8156
    @danielbrown8156 4 ปีที่แล้ว +13

    Jordan Peterson is a genius. I wish I could spend a year with this man learning for him.

    • @nikl.9500
      @nikl.9500 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      You can in a way. All his lectures are up :)

    • @christianhennessey1191
      @christianhennessey1191 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Hi Daniel
      Read the gospels and spend a year with Jesus.

    • @msbramble176
      @msbramble176 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Jordan Peterson's rhetorical strategy involves saying something that is uncontroversially true while at the same time as implying something that is controversial. He is an excellent psychologist and manipulator. Either you fall into the trap of arguing against these obviously true statements or you have to guess at what he is implying which he can accuse you of misrepresenting. He offers no more in the way of useful truisms than many other self help gurus. He makes a lot of money out of pitching his talks to fear and confusion while cleverly avoiding specifics and accountability.

  • @masescranton9630
    @masescranton9630 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Two great guys. I appreciated both their approaches to this conversation, and they both elevated the quality of ideas and served the listeners well.

  • @jkbdk6723
    @jkbdk6723 5 ปีที่แล้ว +124

    Makes me happy to see Jordan laugh. This was a deep conversation.
    Good shit 😅

    • @thelaurels13
      @thelaurels13 5 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      JKB DK he was laughing because he was, for a change, engaging in dialogue with somebody who has a brain and knows how to use it without attempting to engage in one upmanship.

  • @furrycrusader1293
    @furrycrusader1293 4 ปีที่แล้ว +301

    I noticed that Russel uses the phrase “I feel” while Jordan uses “I think” and then when noticing that you can tell where their points of view stem from

    • @LegateSprinkles
      @LegateSprinkles 4 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      When their uses of the terms are the same.

    • @matt8um
      @matt8um 4 ปีที่แล้ว +20

      Emotion vs pragmatic thinking, which “I think” is the same difference between the dems & republicans

    • @matt8um
      @matt8um 4 ปีที่แล้ว +18

      I like both of these guys and appreciate their mutual respect

    • @lion-foxtactical6357
      @lion-foxtactical6357 4 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      You are in intelligent individual. Great observation.

    • @joshdelaughder3158
      @joshdelaughder3158 4 ปีที่แล้ว +18

      I am a republican. This is a false dichotomy.

  • @siraltitude2
    @siraltitude2 3 ปีที่แล้ว +21

    Peterson's last line, "strengthen the individual" YES. That is it. I've always believed this, this is why I work as an advocate

    • @ricardo950535
      @ricardo950535 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Yes but I guess Socrates would say define "strengthen". What qualities are you looking to instill? What's the end game? A great citizen? Individual? Educated with opptys to do so or not? That there is the meat of it all maybe.

    • @hman2912
      @hman2912 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      The individual is all we truely have control of.
      We maybe able to strongly influence others, but not control.

  • @crockich44
    @crockich44 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I appreciate Russel's candor in that he clearly disagrees with Jordan on many things but never attacks him and listens to what he is saying. These are the types of conversations we need to ever have any meaningful change.

  • @martinharris5017
    @martinharris5017 5 ปีที่แล้ว +49

    A productive, quality discussion. Two persons of intellect debating with respect. Peterson must find this so refreshing after all the mainstreamTV interviews he must endure with clueless opponents.

  • @danstvguy
    @danstvguy 5 ปีที่แล้ว +32

    Wow. Paraphrasing ... "As you become more successful opportunities increase exponentially" ... brilliant. Love this debate. Kudos to Russell too ... Good points all.

    • @maxlethe3973
      @maxlethe3973 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Brilliant? Try obvious

  • @PacificNWGrl
    @PacificNWGrl 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I appreciate how they both have such intelligent takes on each subject. Fantastic interaction. 👏

  • @reilific
    @reilific 4 ปีที่แล้ว +30

    Compare this conversation to the GQ interview, miles apart in vibe and productive argument.

    • @andrewboadi1895
      @andrewboadi1895 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Like on different planets.

    • @Star-uk1kh
      @Star-uk1kh 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Quite the contrary , the GQ interviewer did an excellent job of drawing out Jordans true colours . His contempt for her was visible as is his contempt for feminism and women in general .
      Jordan has admitted to having fantasies about stabbing a colleague in the neck ! he displays a lot of dark triad characteristics and seems to lack genuine empathy .

    • @alanbrown4451
      @alanbrown4451 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@Star-uk1kh but your perfect

    • @Star-uk1kh
      @Star-uk1kh 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@alanbrown4451 no one is perfect .

  • @steaktastebetterpill
    @steaktastebetterpill 4 ปีที่แล้ว +140

    That was my first time seeing Peterson laugh, that was precious.

    • @Pinko_Band
      @Pinko_Band 4 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      steaktastebetterpill
      U should watch him on the Theo Von podcast!

    • @woweezowie5826
      @woweezowie5826 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@Pinko_Band was thinking the same, great exchange between those two!

    • @dickfitswell3437
      @dickfitswell3437 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@Pinko_Band Theo was on Road Rules. That dude is funny and sincere and pulls off that Mullet

    • @Pinko_Band
      @Pinko_Band 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Dick Fitswell
      Yep. That’s why I recommended him...

    • @nigelyorkshiremanwadeley6263
      @nigelyorkshiremanwadeley6263 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      I was starting to wonder if he was capable of smiling.

  • @elfboy29
    @elfboy29 4 ปีที่แล้ว +15

    I like that Russell interupts his answers that seem like set answers and then you get a more real dialogue and the whole thing has more value. We all need to talk more and discuss and debate. It only seems to happen here on the internet now.

  • @paulgilson2347
    @paulgilson2347 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Brilliant conversation, both singing from the same hymn sheet but coming at it from different angles and trying to find something that could work.

  • @Invertedworldx
    @Invertedworldx 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    God i still love Russell to this day and how awesome putting him and Jordan in the same room is just amazing the rhythm of their dialogue is what i love about both.

  • @jen_wren_x
    @jen_wren_x 5 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    Soon as I saw this I was like "ooh ooh,have to see this" in an excited way,and I knew I was right!! As there's nothing more refreshing than watching/listening to 2 equally intelligent men having a bloody good chat..