Eureka Stockade - Function Test and #1 Update
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- This video shows the brand new Eureka Stockade prototype and its function test and the leaning we took from the testing. It also provides an overview of the latest information and timeline estimates when it comes to production. We also address common FAQs and concerns.
To pre-order the rifle, go to: eurekaguns.au
If you have any questions or comments, please place it in the comment section and we will get back to you.
Please check out Ed's channel here: / @fhckoutdoors
Thank you
Bastian Green
Australian Sporting Agencies
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Thanks for the shoutout mate. I'm glad my video and the surveys helped!
Any time! Talk soon
It's cool to get comms like this from the designers/manufacturers.
I hope your venture is a success.
Keep in mind that Tall Poppy syndrome is alive and well in this country and a majority of vocal firearms enthusiasts don't know their arse from a hole in the ground.
lol gold!! thanks chief!
An Australian firearms designer that actually takes the consumer’s advice and applies it to make a better product, whaaaat? (In all seriousness, very excited and proud of the development that’s being done boys, think you guys might be the trailblazers for the next technological leap in the Oz market)
Thanks heaps for the feedback mate! Let me tell you I get why most manufacturers don't do it, it is really hard to deal with criticism and then to pause and turn around and admitting you might be on the wrong path. Most people will dig their heels in and dismiss the feedback and then wonder later why it didn't go so well. I rather have to deal with the "discomfort" upfront and make a successful product straight of the bat. Time will tell if that was a good idea, but your feedback is certainly encouraging us to continue.
So much work that goes into creating a a reliable tool like this, it's great watching the process. Thanks for sharing.
Do you have a price estimate for a base model in 223?
Thanks for the comment mate! Eureka Gun Company and ASA are doing our very best to keep it below $2500 for the base model. Upgrades can go up a fair bit based on what you would like.
Great to see this level of transparency mate
Thanks Tom, much appreciated
Ill admit that my reluctance to pre-order would has mostly come from seeing people who got burnt by the Taipan but in saying that and seeing how transparent you guys seem to be aiming for, I think ill be pre-ordering. Honesty is key, like you said, if you let people know (even with delays) they can stomach that, being kept in the dark as the alternative can hurt companies. With my online business even with supply issues I've always let customers know what's going on and even with delays I've always received positive feedback. People will be happy to pay a bit extra for something that works, is reliable, built here and is accurate for purpose. Can't wait for the Stockade.
Thanks mate. Yes we see a lot of people having the same concerns as you do. That is for a good reason though! We appreciate the honest words and feedback mate! Hope that our journey will make customers more confident to trust us with their money and most importantly enjoy a well rounded rifle that works. But then again, time will tell, we will all be the wiser next year around this time :)
Thanks for an honest update on the Eureka, i wish you success.
Thanks Craig, appreciated!
Really good to see you guys guys being transparent with the development which gives me hope this wont be another taipan lite release. Also please test the rifle with 30 round pmags (capped to 10 roubds) because people in SA who can use 30rnd mags and people in qld with 30rnd mags capped had issues with feeding from the taipan
And exactly why they would be doing this video is because of then taipan
No comment
@@AustralianSportingAgencies 😂
I definitely don’t speak for most but while 55 grain is available and relatively cheap, I personally prefer to shoot heavier 60 grain projects when going after pigs ect so I’d like to see 1:8 over a 1:12 but it’s nice to see you responding positively to feedback
Thanks mate, I am super intrigued to finding out by how they perform, we will find out soon!
Love the transparency, thanks fellas
Great video nice to see some transparency. Excited for thr future of this project!
Appreciate it! Thanks mate
Love the transparency and honesty, refreshing after being an owner of 1 of the first taipan lites and dramas that came along with it.
Thanks mate, really appreciate it!
Thank you for clear communication.
You're most welcome, thanks for the feedback
Thanks for update.
Thank you for watching :)
Thank you for the update . And it was really great for your explanation of what the deposit is for and has helped me make pull the trigger to do a pre order. It’s really great the transparency on development and possible time line. Hopefully you will do conversion kits as well for the other calibres that come later on.
Glad it was helpful! Big thanks for the support!
Looks good so far mate, very interested to see how it progresses 👍
Also thanks again for your advice with my verney carron, all working perfectly with the second piston 👌
Fantastic to hear....like I said, best kept secrete :)
My mate showed me your website and I preordered almost instantly. We’ve been waiting for something like this for a long time since the taipan has some issues, and I’ve heard some bad things about Warwick. We heard rumours that an Australian company was bringing something to market even a year or two ago, so it was a no brainer for me 👍 I look forward to the next updates and as other commenters have said, the transparency is awesome. Thanks
Thanks mate, much appreciated, will keep you posted!
You can definitely see the AR18 DNA in this, Im liking the look of this rifle 👍
Yes indeed, it was a great gun and we get the feeling that it was forgotten for a long time even tho it was superior in a lot of ways. We are trying hard to bring her back in today's restricted environment.
Well done brother
Thank you Sir!
Just wow! This comunication and transperancy has to be a world first.
I had no interest other than the name got my attention, now i am tempted to pre order just to see you succeed.
Big thanks for the comment!! Much appreciated! Bastian
Very interesting video, thanks for sharing the manufacturing insights 🙂
My pleasure. I really like this sort of stuff and imagined that someone like yourself also could get into it :) There will be more soon. Once we set up the production line, I hope to make a video showing the whole process.
@@AustralianSportingAgencies sounds great mate :-)
Great video mate? Looking forward to the next update.
Thanks mate, hope to get the accuracy testing done on Thursday!
Very interesting mate, very keen to get my hands on one of these rifles. Lets hope it holds up to the rigorous testing you guys will do. Also in regards to pushing back the release date, honestly would rather it be 6 months late than it being released broken and early. Take your time
Thanks mate for the support. In the end we will push the timeline until the product is fully functional and tested, however, we do our best to minimise any delays as much as possible, but sometimes even the best planning won't allow for some delays (did you say weapons licensing??)
@@AustralianSportingAgenciesWLB civ employee tried telling me (in summary) that a 150gr SP 308Win projectile from a Cat B was inferior to the same proj from a Cat D.............I was gobsmacked that that's how their mind worked! Said my goodbyes, rang back and got someone who passed grade 8 maths and physics.
lol @@nunyabeeswax2575
I'm very interested in this. I preferred the angled cut at the end of the barrel shroud and the large muzzle brake of the concept design. I thought those elements provided a unique, kind of sci-fi aesthetic.
I will be holding off on purchase to let other people field test it, but overall I'm on board because I like what Eureka stand for as a company. I don't think I'm alone on that. They should have the flag visible on the weapon.
Thanks mate, there will be a logo cut or lasered into the receiver with flag/eagle. I also think there might be other forends available in the future. Stay tuned
I want one! Just waiting for my licence. This will be my first gun.
Great to hear mate! Put a pre-order in to save yourself a spot in the line. You don't want to get your license in a month or so and then wait another 6 months for the gun if you can help it!. If you sign up now you are likely to get the gun in september/october
"to many people got burned" Totally not the taipan being referenced here.
No comment??
Excellent up to dates Bastion , have pre-ordered , my preference will be 1:12 to suit 55gn Game Kings that I use with 20 inch bbl length with threading ...looking forward to the future ...hoping .308win is in the future mix. CHEERS.
Thanks Glenn, yes 9mm first as it is easy to design of the .223 then the .308 hopefully early next year. But I will keep you posted on the progress! .308 is also my choice, really great to get into the pigs.
@@AustralianSportingAgencies If you could make a version with a traditional style carbine stock, not a pistol grip like an AR it would be able to be sold in the states that ban firearms with AR type grips, or firearms that look like Military weapons. 9mm is a great idea. Something like a Ruger PC carbine with the forend button bolt release would be excellent!
@@hugotyson308 Hi mate, we are still playing around with the design of a full length stock, but it requires either custom timber stocks made in turkey or a plastic mold, and a mold this size would require the sale of thousands of units in order to bring the price down to something reasonable. We are still looking into it, but gut feel tells me that the financials might not add up if we can get the Stockade accepted in NSW and Vic. Tassy alone wouldn't support the numbers. Stay tuned, we may know more in the next 2-3 weeks.
Great video. Hopefully you guys incorporate basic features like a case deflector and slightly flared mag well into the next prototype revision. I know you are trying to avoid it looking like an AR15, but please don't ignore the refined ergonomics and functionality perfected in the AR15 design. Also I'm guessing most people want 1:8 twist because it can stabilise both heavy and light projectiles, whereas 1:12 might struggle with heavier rounds. Better to over-stabilise a 55gr round with 1:8, than under-stabilise a 77gr round with 1:12, I guess? But still, testing will tell the truth. Cheers.
Great comment! We are investigating to internally flare the magazine well as we are limited by the maximum outside diametre. Meaning that if we were to fully flare the mag well, we would require a larger piece of aluminum as the receiver is made from a solid billet, this in turn would increase the overall tool time and material cost by a fair bit. What might be more likely is to allow for an after market mag well to be added. I will discuss with the team, so thanks for the feedback!
Keeping the machining simple for cheaper cost makes sense. If someone really wants to pay extra for e.g. m-lok or lightening cuts everywhere, theyre still better off buying a cheap unmilled gun and then paying that extra for the exact aftermarket customisation they want.
That's exactly it mate, right on the money. Otherwise we exclude all the guys that just want a functional firearm because it is a tool to do a certain job and not a piece of art for the wall.
Flat dark earth is the best colour for a gun hands down
We are are super likely to offer the gun in gun black, green, FDE and maybe in gun grey as it is now in the video (tbd)
As a Left-Handed shooter, is it possible to set up some sort of "Expression of Interest" for a LH version? I appreciate that at this time you guys are focused on getting the weapon ready for market, and the market usually wants RH firearms. But eventually, once everything's underway, it'd be nice to let you guys know what sort of interest there is in an LH version, and if it's worth bringing production closer.
Thanks mate for the comment. Yes it is on the roadmap. Basically you will be able to change everything but the mag release over already, but the ejection opening will remain on the right. If you want a true LH version, we are also planning to do that, but there is a bit more to that.
I see an ar180, i immediately have an interest. That said, there are certainly some things that make them work. The 2 part drive rod in the brn180 allows for a softer set of springs, which, reduces counter pressure against the drive rod. Hence the bend. Canadian ar180s having a single piece drive rod have innumerable failures. Even when using a 10mm rod. Which is massive, and heavy. As for drive rod return springs, ive got nothin. I have had piston AR-15s and ar10s that didn't bind. But the have a cupped bushing, it's possible that helps.
spot on
Hmmm maybe work on a dual ejector BCG. Great video very interesting stuff SUB! 👍
Thanks mate, we actually found a secondary issue which we will resolve in the pre production model. Will explain in a video.
The problem with 1:12 twist rates is we don't have a good availability of M193 here for some reason. It's easier to get ADI 5.56 in the USA than it is in Australia which is ridiculous.
I know right?! While at shot show I learned that the dealers in the US only make 0.3-0.5 cents per round, so basically nothing, which explains also why the ammo is so "cheap" over there. However, the accessories are super expensive due to the fact that the dealers need to make money on something. Go figure.
The whole issue with twist rates is twofold.
1.Specific rates are for specific projo weights/styles so most manufacturers go with a generic average thats 'ok' for the broadest range of projos.
2. Most shooters arent ballistics experts, so they just go with 'what they know' or what theyve seen before. Now that may upset the ballistic purists, but for commercial sales, giving the 'average shooter' what he thinks is 'right' is the correct answer by the online-poll to maximise sales, even if it isnt actually the scientific optimum.
Its like manual-v-auto in performance cars, every revhead thinks he can instinctively change gears 'better' than a slush-box, wheras for at least 99% of drivers its not, but manual boxes still sell.
The penetrator would be why.
Penetrator
Transparent by deleting the answer to a question that is correct.
How many preorders have you got so far and when do we find out where we sit on the list?
Hey mate, we have 300-400 pre-orders at this point, meaning we should be able to turn those around within 2 months after going into full production. I hope we can have a checker feature on the website within the next 6-8 weeks. In the meantime, I will provide updates on the timeline in the upcoming videos.
Would you guys host range days for your rifles at certain ranges in Aus it could serve as a method of marketing to new customers and provide feed back.
Great idea!! We will definitely do one in Brisbane as we are here, will try to organise more around the country.
@@AustralianSportingAgencies If you do Victoria Little river would probably be the best range as it’s out to 500m and rated for full-autos, 50 BMG and Handguns while also being the closest center-fire range to Melbourne. Would also be happy to bring my Gen 1 SP-15 for comparison.
The handguard, full Mlok or pic? I would prefer the feel of Mlok in the hand vs pic. Pic or Arca can added as and when needed by user. Really keen on putting a long MDT Arca or Arcalock rail for use with a tripod.
You have m-lok along the bottom and sides. We do still consider to bring out a handguard with arca integrated and m-lok in between so you can still add a pic rail if required, but wont require a MDT rail. But that is only a future project and wont be available at launch.
@@AustralianSportingAgencies cheers ASA
Given the cnc limitations, is a lefty version for is cacky handers out the question?
Not necessarily, the ejection will be always on the right for now. But the parts that matter can be changed over like lever and safety. Currently the mag release is on the right but we could produce a limited run of lefty mag release. Stay tuned, we will get into that soon.
The only thing holding me back from a preorder is more info on how ambidextrous it will be
Hi mate, the lever and the safety can be switched over. The charging handle and ejection port will stay on the right. You should be able to reach the magazine release with an under-grip. If the cases fly too close to the face, we will add a case deflector. I will make sure to show it in the next video. Thanks for the feedback, I am certain you are not alone on that front.
Will uppers be able to be quick changed for calibers?
Hi mate, thanks for the question. The main issue is the magwell, so as long as we have the same action length (short vs long action) and the magazines are the same size (standard-P mag design) then it should be possible. We are certainly looking into it.
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223, 300blk, 350L, also big bore cals also. along as they fit into a standard 223 Pmag would be good for future roadmap development
Will these be Available in NSW??
We are working with the authorities to offer the Eureka to all shooters across Australia. We have made a video to address this which we should have out over the weekend or next week. Stay tuned
Just advice on the barrels. If using high grade match projectiles going to an 8 twist will not effect accuracy in any meaningfull way. We build a lot of target rifles. Most IPSC shooters will likley want to run 69gr projectiles not 55s. An 8 twist will shoot up to 77gr projectiles well. A 12 twist won't stabilise a 69gr projectile.
As for caliber conversions eg complete uppers. With 9mm you can potentially get 9mm inserts for P Mags that way the 9mm could run in the 223 lower. Other calibers need to be based on the 223 Maxwell eg 223, 300 BO, 350 Legend and also look at 300 Hamr. 350 Legend and 300 Hamr both can make IPSC Major Power factor with factory ammo in a 16" barrel. Going to a 308 based firearm is a good idea however I would think it would be a fait way down the line as you need to completely engineer everything except the trigger mechanism. Also as this is based on an AR180 I don't believe anyone has scaled one up to 308 based cartriges so you will have a lot of R and D and I'm not sure that the end product would be appealing as the weight would be excessive.
Also what brand of barrels are you using?
Great comment and certainly a fair few of good facts in there. The redesign on the 308 shouldn't be too bad. We have always designed it from the beginning with the .308 etc in mind. So it should be ok and I hope to release it before end of year. In terms of barrels, all I can say for now is that they are US barrels. For obvious reasons we don't give up our suppliers at this point.
Also yes, we are looking into 9mm mags that feed into a 223 P mag design.
Is there going to be a .308 version?
If so i reckon jack out the back would buy one ha.
Yes and Yes. I am sure he would :) (need to make him a 50 round mag tho) we are working on it once the 9mm has been designed. Hopefully towards the end of the year.
@@AustralianSportingAgencies alright good to know hopefully it gets approved in all states and territories especially here in WA.
Is it ture these wont be allowed in NSW? Just starting to hear things from LGS
No it is not true. We have not engaged with NSW registry at this point as the firearm has not been completed, hence LGS can not make an assessment on the firearm. Once we complete the design, we will submit it for registration and then we will find out what they will say. We will keep all that discussion public so everyone can be part of how this works. Stay tuned.
@@AustralianSportingAgencies yer I wondered how they knew but obviously they don't know thanks for the update!
@@anth1839 The only assumption I can make is that they follow what we see here and that people start talking based on that. In the end it comes down to legislation and how well the firearm fits into the act. We will certainly discuss the firearm with the authorities if required and address any concerns they may have. In the end it comes down to the law and they will hold us responsible to it and so will we. Time will tell.
Any chance on a 2000rnd fuction test?
Yh full auto.
Yes this is what I am most looking forward to! We will do one and release the findings. Hopefully it will be successful straight away, but if not then we will have to make adjustments accordingly and redo it. Stay tuned!
I wish :), maybe even belt-fed
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do it do it, as I dont think states have a belt restriction, im not joking
Hi Bastian, how am i going ,re in line of my order? Cheers Glenn.
Hi Glenn, I expect that you would be served in August or around there. I know more when we have final clarification on when receivers go into full production.
@AustralianSportingAgencies Thanks mate , looking forward to it and I'm in the market for a .308 when it's available .Cheers .
@@glennkester6231 me too mate. I love my .308 Very Carron speedline because it is light and easy to carry, but the eureka .308 will be my culling gun and hopefully she will have great accuracy, which means I can go long from the vehicle at night. Stay tuned, more info on the Eureka coming tomorrow or Thursday.
Any updates on “upgrade kits” 😉
HI mate, customisation will be available shortly, just need QLD approval.
Can u do a left handed version
Have a look at this, should answer all lefty questions: th-cam.com/video/fHIqkEZAeiE/w-d-xo.html
Has NSW come to the party yet?
No, we have not yet engaged with them, so there is no progress at this point as the firearm has not been completed, hence LGS can not make an assessment on the firearm. Once we complete the design, we will submit it for registration and then we will find out what they will say. We will keep all that discussion public so everyone can be part of how this works. Stay tuned.
How much are you asking for this rifle?
We are just finalising the costing and pricing. Hope to have them in the next week or so.
Appreciate the email and update mate, looking forward to barrel testing vid.
We’re not use to manufactures engaging customers, bare with us……😊
lol this made me laugh, thanks mate!
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Thanks Chief
Getting any firearm into anyone’s hands in Australia is such a chore…. exactly as the government wants.
yup mate, it certainly is. Rules are an issue if they are subjective which they shouldn't be or when they are not applied equally. Fingers crossed we get through it.
It’s very blocky
You a block block or more like the girly type?
@@AustralianSportingAgencies am I a block block? I am your market, I am a customer and who you’re trying to sell to. Not off to a good start mate haha
@@JD-nf3rd sorry I had to, was in a funny mood when I saw your comment. I know what you mean tho. We are working on making the design slicker, it is just a fine line between sweet looks and price. The price needs to stay as low as possible so that a lot of people can afford it which is our primary concern. If we can make it look amazing and not increase costs we will. We are also considering a lux version that looks apart. Stay tuned!