I appreciate the effort you went to in creating this video, which I consulted before my CrossClimate2 purchase. I replaced the Bridgestone Dueler Ecopia tires that came on my Highlander Hybrid with CrossClimate2 tires 1100 miles ago and am actually getting marginally better milage (about 1/2 MPG).
You know that's good to hear. I had some transmission engineer or gearing with me for 30 or 40 posts about how these things do not lose mileage. And that's hard to debate when you know they do LOL especially with an engineer. So I'm happy that they didn't lose too much
Working in a tire shop, and selling these tires regularly, they are very Heavy (compared to similar sized counterparts), and the tread design promotes rolling resistance. BUT, that's a small sacrifice for safety, and a lot of (if not most tire designs) sacrifice grip and comfort for combatting rolling resistance. I can't wait to get a set of these on my little highway warrior.
So it costs you another $300 a year for fuel but as you say safety comes first. If you wreck your car there goes any savings with cheaper tires and that does not include if you have an injury causing loss of work As for traction you are right about rolling resistance I had my window down a little and I can hear these things on the road it sounds like a paint roller on a wall you can hear it sticking to the pavement they are GOATs. As for fuel economy I can't tell yet if my Hybrid is losing efficiency as this time of year in colder weather hybrids always get worse mileage.
I'm loosing around 5 miles per gallon on cross climate 2 compared to original tires from car manufacturer. I have 2021 Toyota Rav4 hybrid and Im getting an average o 44.4 mpg city driving and using original tires from manufacturer which is Firestone Destination. After I replaced it with Cross Climate 2 I'm getting an average of 39.2 mpg. There is a difference of 4 KM/hour on my speedometer compared to aftermarket GPS which is quite accurate.
You know that's one thing that I haven't covered at all. I've done about 10 or 15 videos on these tires, but I haven't covered the fact that they might be changing the odometer. I wonder how that plays into the And man, I've talked to a bunch of people who have hybrids and electric vehicles. I don't know why, but some people have lost up to a third of their efficiency.
Sorry it is not .4km/hour but it is 4km/hour so it might look like I travelled more than it should that affected the odometer. I might have to calculate the errors but it is winter here right now and the roads are slippery and some roads are covered with snow. I have to wait till summer to get better accuracy. @@jakeofreshly
So it's about that time! Need to shoot me some reviews on the odometer when the snow clears!! By the way, I just did $85,000 mile review with a tire tread depth gauge and I have over half the tire life left
2018 MKZh here , no mpg loss ( 40-42) , I cannot say how much I like this tire in all weather conditions , also they hold the tire pressure really well .
Bridgestone weather peak, fairly new tire compared to cc2, have excelllent performance and no mileage issue. I was stuck between these two choices, after lots of research, I am getting weather peak.
So funny story about longevity. I actually just did a video where I measured the tread depth of my tires after $85,000 miles driven. And I have over half the life on the tires left. They come at 10 mm tread depth. And I still have 6.5 mm tread depth. Legal limit is 2
Jake, it would be interesting if you have started doing the things we spoke about tire pressure checked regularly, alignments and rotation. All help with MPG. Maybe mention that in your video’s so others are informed about good tire care and good maintenance of their vehicle.
You know it's interesting. Ever since we spoke, I have actually been testing a little bit of stuff out. I was scared to change everything, because I just wanted to stick to factory, factory, factory, and more factory settings. But recently I have changed just a few things and I must say the ride quality has not changed one bit. You can put the tires up a little bit higher, and nothing changes. And I really haven't noticed a change in fuel efficiency. So I'm not sure if it's how these tires are built, or the way the tread pattern is, or the actual overall shape of the tread, but it seems like they're pretty forgiving and just about any condition you do. I was expecting to negate the loss in miles per gallon by changing the air pressure parameters, but I haven't noticed it gotten any better. That being said, the trade-off is fantastic. If I noticed I started getting better fuel efficiency but lost any of the benefits I have mentioned, I would just put everything back to stock. I'm so dang happy with these tires, I'm about to have a cow. And I don't want to mess that up lol But you have definitely given me a little bit of confidence, that is for sure
Yes 1-2 mpg loss is what I’m finding as well. I’m sure it’s dependent on the specific car and what tires you had on there prior like if your vehicle was specked with a low rolling resistance tire you would probably notice a big difference then if it had some what of a all-terrain tire on it. My theory is that it’s close to a 10% loss so for instance my car typically gets about 23 miles per gallon in the city and 27 to 30 on the highway a 10% loss puts me in about 1 to 2 miles per gallon. Now I do feel as though it is worth it for the security I feel when driving in the rain and snow it’s unmatched especially in the rain I am never fearful of hydroplaning when driving normal on the highway like I was when I had my Bridgestone dulers, I never did hydroplane but I felt like I could’ve but with the Michelin‘s I feel firmly planted to the road, honestly I wish I could see what the tires look like from the back when driving in heavy rain I would like to see how far the water is thrown away from the tire.
I pretty much can't agree more. I never have hydroplaned and crashed, but I can't tell you how many times I would be driving on the interstate on long trips through the rain and then my traction control would take control and my tires would be slipping and sliding. If I didn't have traction control and a new vehicle, I'm most definitely sure I would have crashed by now. But I've definitely had it happen a lot of times where I lose control and traction control has to take over for me I haven't had that one time since I purchased these tires last year. Not one single time.
And I have actually thought about the same thing as well lol. When you hit really big water, it reminds me of when I was a child and I used to ride my bicycle through water puddles. The tires cut through the water and send a rooster tail splashing out to each side. When I do this as well, I noticed it happens and I can hear the water splashing against the underside of my vehicle. I always thought it would be really interesting to see what it looks like from a third person perspective. However, the tires move too fast for you to be able to see that on the interstate and identify if you looking at the cross climate twos
Can you isolate mpg for the last 10,000 miles vs the first 10,000 miles? All NEW tires get about 10-15% lower mpg until they get broken in. I learned this when researching why a brand new set of the same tires I removed got less mpg.
For me - I have noticed a 10% mpg hit with my 2019 Camry Hybrid LE vs OE - Firestone FT140 (summer gas, similar outside temperature, driving patterns). The higher rolling resistance is obvious on light down slopes where ... I don't have to break and on light up slopes which I can no longer do at 35mph in electric mode. The battery charge level seems more often to be not high enough for 100% EV mode.
The fuel mileage penalty is a small price to pay to have a tire that performs very well in the rain. This tire is designed so that water is pushed away to the side when the rolls through a puddle. All the reviews on this tire to prevent hydroplanning have been excellent.
The wet & dry performance on the Defender 2s has also been very impressive. We drove through approximately 160 miles of rain this past weekend . At times there would be considerable amounts of water standing on the interstate and a few times there were numerous cars pulling to the side of the road waiting for the rain to letup. My wife was driving & she is usually a bit cautious driving when there is standing water on the road, but the RAV never once felt like it was trying to hydroplane even @ 70 mph which is the slowest that I noticed we were going. I know that the Defenders won't be as good in the snow as the CrossClimates, but we have a '21 Passport set up for Iowa winter driving if the snow gets that bad. I may switch the Passport over to CC2s when it needs tire. We'll see.
@@jonhansen4745 Man I'm sure there's a lot of other good options out there. I haven't tried them all. I'm not sponsored or anything like that, so it's not even like I have a really rigorous test. Just wanted to give you an honest opinion like you were asking a friend. Let me know if you ever get them
@@jakeofreshly Will do Jake. I've really enjoyed your reviews of them. How soon before you wear them out & do a final review, and how many miles on them at this time?
Spot on, Jake. I don't think people realize the true cost of these tires. 10% reduction over 50k miles on a car that average 35 mpg...That ends up being a 158 gallon difference over the lifetime of these tires! 158 x $3.50 gas = $553 Extra to own these for 50k miles!
Fantastic video my friend. I have these tires on my Benz GLK250 4MATIC Bluetec and also noticed a slight mpg difference driving. Usually, I’ll get around 27-30MPG Highway and now it’s slightly less. City driving, my MPG took a hit by 2-3MPG but it’s nothing crazy since I drive a diesel.
Man I know this is going to sound like I'm a sucker, but I really can't tell you how much I appreciate it. I mean first, I'm thankful that you're watching my videos. When I started this, I never thought I was going to get anybody to watch my videos. Much less appreciate them. But you just reaching out to me and telling me this... Makes it all worth it. I really really appreciate you watching my videos and caring enough to comment. Sorry for the suck up Yes lol But thank you. And yeah that's the biggest problem I noticed with them, but it's never been enough for me to really care. I have about 10 videos on these tires, and the mileage was something that kept coming up that I felt like I needed to do a video about. If you're like me, then you pretty much know the average miles per gallon at every speed level. At 60, 65, 70, etc. So I definitely noticed it when it happened. I had to wait for about 5,000 mi to see what I had over a significant distance, but there's no denying it now lol
That's one thing that's kind of interesting though, because I haven't really got to test the city mileage. I don't trust city mileage, specifically because the way I drive and the driving situations in our particular city. It's to stop and start and to erratic. But I'm sure it's got to be a little bit worse than on the highway. The highway is definitely at least a mile or two loss
@@boukm3n Hell yeah they do. I'm just about to run them over 50,000 mi and I actually have a tread depth measurement tool so we should be good to go. See what they're doing. Basically brand new for me still though. So you should get some lights out of them
I think the mpg loss is due to 2 factors. 1. I noticed in my application on my 2019 Jetta, these tires are around 1-2 pounds heavier than the stock OEM tires. That’s due to a thicker sidewall to achieve the 3PMSF rating for winter driving.2. The aggressive v tread and knobby characteristics of these tires also contribute to a minor downgrade in fuel mileage, look at any true winter tires and the same results bear fruit. Loss of mpg.
I put them on my 2010 Jetta TDI and they did at first drop my mileage for the break in period. Now I’m getting within 1 MPG or less now they are broken in. My car is designed to be heavier with the Diesel engine and the size, amount of steel around etc. I’m gonna guess EV need very low resistance in order to drive properly as an increase weight in say a Prius would cause problems. Most car manufacturers these days recommend certain ratings on the tires they recommend Might even go thru charges too fast. 🤷🏼♀️
I have a 2021 Highlander and the best thing about these tires is a lot more important than a couple of miles per gallon. The best thing about these tires is you don't have to spend another $1500 on summer tires not including the cost of switching them twice a year. My Highlander gets 24.8 miles per US gallon and to me that is pretty good for a vehicle this size. Great tires winter or summer.
Man it is funny how you guys have to change tires. I just run these year round, like you said, and they are the best. Especially during the summer rainy seasons
After 9 months, 9k and trips to intense snow and the hot desert, my cross climates are not showing wear! I put them on my Mazda CX 5 Turbo Carbon edition. After my recent tire rotation, Mazda said my tires have 90% tread-ware left. As for MPG, I have roof rack and cargo basket on top so , I am at 22 mpg in the city and 26 on the freeway .
I have about 12K on my CC2's, that are on an Outback. I'm 66 years old and these are the best tires by far that I've ever owned. They are awesome in rain and snow, and probably even rival some dedicated snow tires. As these tires have been run some, the gas mileage has gotten a little better as is the case with any new tire.
That is what I said. I had these shitty toyo tires that came on standard. I started seeing this RED band in the tires around 30k miles. For better or worse, I still rode them until 38k miles. After that, they were so slick, and that RED line was so pronounced, that I had to get a new set or tires. Now, reason I got them was bc My Dad, Grandpa, and Uncle all ride Michelin. My uncle redd swears by them, so I gave them a test.
Actually the CC2 has one of the best mpg among all weather tyres. Normally the people here in North Germany use them as winter tyres as we see maybe 5 days of snow in the season. They are much better in wet and dry than winter tyres and have much better mpg. But Yes, summer tyres in summer are better in any field than all weather tyres.
Yeah that's another thing for me too. I'm actually in Alabama, which is a really hot state. I've seen snow like twice in my life. So I'm actually not the perfect customer for these all weather snow tires. We just run summer tires year around. So I think that has to take a little bit of consideration into it. Now if you were comparing these to actual snow tires, there's no comparison. These have way better miles per gallon.
Also there is a difference in the fuel economy ratings on several sizes between the standard CC2 (c rating) & the CC2 XL (b rating), here in the UK anyway. Fuel economy might also vary depending on the actual size of the tyre profilr as well I would have thought.
Yeah, without a doubt. I’ve actually just did a review after 85,000 miles to test the durability and measure the tire depth, and I’ll probably be done about 16 or 18 changes. It’s definitely not a myth about the Loss in mileage.
I saw a long term review of the hybrid Toyota Sienna and they were the only testers that got significantly lower fuel economy than manufacturer claims of 35-36 mpg. They were riding CC2 tires, so that was probably the culprit.
Oh man… it definitely was. IDC what the TH-cam warriors say, I have it charted and spreadsheeted over tens of thousands of miles. I knew it the first gas tank I ran on them though. But the dat backs it up easily.
I have these on my Tesla and noticed the same thing. Efficiency is measured in Watt Hours per Mile. I used to get about 230-240 Wh/mi on the highway and now it’s about 250-260 Wh/mi. I do not notice any difference in efficiency when city driving though. They are also super loud at speeds over 45.
You know I said they were louder, and a lot of people fought with me. But I am happy to hear you say that because if anybody would know about quietness, it would be somebody without a gas engine. When you say super loud, are they annoying to you?
@@jakeofreshly it’s interesting you mention this because I actually got them replaced with brand new ones yesterday (they only lasted 30K miles but I tend to drive with a heavy foot and EV’s chew through tires more quickly than ICE cars) and the difference in noise is quite significant. I can actually hear the car’s cooling system and valves operating while I’m driving now which used to be drowned out before by the drone of the tires. So they got louder over time which is a given with any tires, not just these ones. However, these seem to make more noise more quickly than other tires. I also would like to note that the factory tires that the car came with were significantly quieter, even when worn out. I specifically remember the first time I got the CC2’s installed, I was shocked at the road noise as I drove away from the service center. So, there is no denying that these are louder and less efficient.
@@j.r.f8381 I'm kind of happy you said that. I've had a lot of people fighting with me over that. Now to be honest, I put them on a brand new car. So you already know all the door seals and window seals and sound isolation was brand new and working at its peak. Also, it's not like it was a 93 turbo diesel. It's going to be naturally quiet. But I could tell a slight difference I imagine difference would be a lot more for vehicle like yours that is naturally silent except for road noise. So I'm actually happy you said that. I've had a lot of people giving me some hate for saying they were louder. And I thought it might have just been my imagination. But it's good to hear that they definitely are louder. I 100% agree with you
@@j.r.f8381 Now bear in mind, I still wouldn't switch them because I love them to death. And I've got over 40,000 mi of mine would not really any significant wear. But I drive like a grandpa as you can tell in a lot of my videos lol lol
I have 55k on my 2021 VW Golf 1.4T manual, and I'm at 5/32nds left. I don't drive aggressively except on the very rare occasion where I may be late to an important appointment or something. I have really liked these tires, I have driven them through all types of conditions except ice and they are very confidence-inspiring. However, I recently purchased a 4WD pickup which has 3PMS tires on it, so after my CC2s wear out I am considering switching to Michelin Defender2 instead for the longer tread life and still pretty good wet/winter performance. I think the D2s get slightly improved fuel economy over the CC2s also, as well as being a little bit cheaper to purchase. I strongly recommend the CC2 tire for virtually everyone, except if you are going to be driving on gravel a lot -- my tires have chips in some of the tread blocks from that kind type of terrain. If you will be doing much gravel or if you want solid off-road traction, the BFG Trail Terrain is kind of like the AT version of this tire in certain respects.
You know it's funny that you said that. I had a lot of people when I started making these videos asking me if they'd be good on the Subaru or if they good for off-road. And honestly, there's no way a set of miniature tractor tires is going to be any worse than some regular radial tires. However, I never mentioned the fact that it will pick up rocks and sling the hell out of them. Sounds like a slingshot up under the fender Wells Have you ever noticed that?
That's good. That was one of my biggest complaints was the loss and mileage. And mine has been very consistent. So yours hasn't lost at all? And also, how are they performing in the winter? In the snow?
@@jakeofreshly Extremely good in the snow. I live in NE Ohio and we had a heavy snow winter starting in Jasnuary. I never got stuck or had any problems, even in over 6 inches of snow. My car is rated (EPA on the sticker) at 22 city, 32 highway. I'm averaging 25 city and 34 highway with the CC2 TIRES.
@@jamessephar9458 dude fantastic to hear brother. I wish mine was that way, but the lose in mileage is minimal. Honestly, I am only losing about a mile per gallon or so . Not too big of a deal. How is the wear going? That was one of the strongpoints of the tires to me, the durability
I have the Accord 2.0T 6SPD. The stock tires Goodyear Eagle wore out in 21,000 miles. I'm extremely excited to get these tires on Friday... (2 days) I'm paying $1,400 including tires mounted, balanced, and the $40 per tire 3 year warranty. I see so many people saying they paid under $200 per tire? Am I over paying big time?
For a range of the CrossClimat 2 there are 2 versions available. The normal one ist the SUV version. But some have vol at the ending. Those are special designed for Volvo. And they have better roll resistance giving you better fuel efficiency.
@@jakeofreshly Because Volvo ships out their C40 SUV on all season tires. And those are Michelin CorossClimate 2 vol. They asked Micheline to design a special EV SUV Version. So Michelin is selling them also to the open market.
@@ufdring You know that's kind of cool. Because I've heard some people with electric vehicles talk about how they're getting a lot less efficiency. And I don't understand how that would actually change on a petroleum car versus an electric vehicle. Like I don't think rolling resistance or anything like that would change. So it's kind of interesting to hear that they did actually make something new Because I've heard a lot of people complain about their Chevy volt getting worse efficiency
10% loss seems to be fairly accurate. I have 2.0T TDI and my mileage has gone down from 40mpg to 35mpg. A little more than 10% for me. Also road noise is an issue, especially when taking turns on the highway. It’s a little disappointing but their handling is amazing.
There's one thing I noticed too, but I tried not to make too big of a deal out of it. I actually have a video if you click on my cross climate playlist where I go through and I actually have a decibel reader and measure it at how loud it gets. It's kind of a nitpicky concern, as it really doesn't affect anything. And you never have to raise your voice when you're in the vehicle. But I would have to say it's a little bit louder than the stock Toyo tires that came on my vehicle. Biggest thing for me is probably the fuel mileage efficiency loss, but I think it's well worth it. And I know if you drive fast it's a hell of a lot of difference you know.
Going from my worn out Toyo Avid GT's to CC'2s on my 21 Outback I have lost 3MPG. It might even be more than that. I had squeezed out 28.5 MPG before I took my old tires off, by being careful of my driving. the first tank of gas with the CC2's I got 24 mpg, and I was being careful with my driving. Some of that can be contributed to just having new tires on. Regardless of brand you put on, if you are going from old worn tires to new tires you are going to lose some gas mileage.
Yeah 100%. However, I'm a fiend for tracking this statistics of my vehicle. I've been tracking these suckers since the day I bought it with brand new tires. And it's funny, because I had the almost exact same situation as you. I got 28.5 miles per gallon over average. Now if I wanted to babyfoot it, I could even get it up to 36 miles per gallon if I just went 60 miles per hour everywhere I went. But there is no doubt at all that they drop several miles per gallon I still wouldn't trade them for the world, but it's just the truth
@@jakeofreshly Yeah, I don't get it that people are saying no loss of Gas mileage with these tires. I call BS. Even the fact of putting any new tire on you lose a bit of gas mileage.
The way I look at it is that if I didn’t choose to use the CC2s year round and went to winter tires for half the year I’d burn a lot more gas with the winters on so worth a small loss of mpg for the quality and versatility of the CC2s
I have a 2019 VW Passat and I lost at least 5 mpg and I drive 55 miles a day! It was enough for me to sell the Crossclimate and buy a mpg all season tires and I got all of that back
That's been the main argument against him. I would buy mine again and again, as I'm about to do an 85,000 me review. But I definitely lost 2 to 3 Mi per gallon. If, for example, I didn't buy them. I bet I would enjoy the hell out of having 30 Mi per gallon again
What most people that say they loose fuel efficiency on these tires don't realize is the fact that these tires including treads are bigger than other tires. Inother words the diameter of these tires is bigger. If you buy these tires recalibrate your speedometer. A 245/40/18 from one tire is not the exact same size as another. Especially they are a different type of tire ie summer to all season. Tire pressure also matter. Your car calculates mpg and speed for factory tires so if you change your tires recalibrate your speedometer. It won't make that drastic of a difference but over hundreds of miles it might be one of the reasons for "lose" in fuel economy
Yeah I agree. And honestly, it's not even that big of a deal. I mean if you are buying these tires, then you are probably more worried about performance and safety and snow and rain traction. You're probably not buying these for fuel efficiency. There's a lot more fuel efficient tires on the market that are specifically built for that, so it's kind of like judging a tool out of its element. Kind of like judging a hatchet or axe And wondering why it's not good at filleting fish. What overall, if you watch a couple of my videos, you can tell I'm absolutely in love with these tires. So it's not a big enough deal for me to worry about
wouldn't it depend on the tires you are replacing? If you are replacing MUD and TRAIL tires with huge tractor treads, I doubt the CC2s would be a loss. If you are replacing a slick summer tire then I would expect a loss.
Yeah when I'm talking about that, I'm really just talking about regular street tires. I replaced a pair of Toyo stock tires online, so there's no comparison. But it is kind of unrealistic for me cuz I've never even noticed that I would put tractor tires on the Mazda CX-5 two-wheel drive
I have a 2022 Camry XLE hybrid and I switched to the CC2s and so far I went from 5.8L/100 (40.55mpg) in the city to 6.9-7.0 L/100 (34.08-33.60 mpg). On the highway it's 38-39 mpg. Coming from a 4runner limited that averaged 12 mpg in the city is a big difference. Went 3 weeks and my gas was between full and 3/4 in my hybrid with the cc2s.
@@jakeofreshly over the winter months until now I'm averaging 31.78 mpg's. In the wet snow here on the west coast they are OK still better than all seasons for sure but I had to really pick my spots driving plus we have a lot of hills as well. Have a great day Jake!
Hi. I have the Cross Climate + on my Wife's Opel Astra 1.6. The fronts are done at less than 12k miles. She is 59, and with a whopping 105bhp on tap, is not inclined to doing burnouts. Very disappointed. Will not buy again. They are an expensive tyre and should last longer. Trying the Goodyear Vector 3 next, or even the Bridgestone WeatherControl.
WOWWWWWWW That is absolutely NUTS!!! So I just did a 40K video, and it was the first time I was actually seeing any wear from my measurements. I did a bunch of reviews on these tires so far, and even the in 25K mile review I couldn't find any wear to speak of. So that is strange that your would wear down so quickly. What conditions are you driving in? mostly interstate or around town? dirt roads or city? what type of mileage did you get on the previous tires for this car? maybe it is because I drive slow, but I have never gotten less than 60,000 on a set of tires until I bought my Mazda CX5 brand new. it came with a set of Toyos and they were mostly wore out by the time I hit 40K. I road them to 48K, but they were BURNT!
@@jakeofreshly Just take note that if someone mentions CrossClimate 1 or CrossClimate+, they are NOT the same as the CrossClimate2. They only share similar names and similar tread pattern.
Appears the US CC2's are not the same as the European CC2's. They have a different compound. The EU versions have a much lower rolling resistance due to EU legal requirements. I have less then 5% lower mileage compared to stock tyres (for Rav4 hybrid plugin).
Yea man. Over there, who is more expensive and driving distances are a lot shorter, they have a preference for efficiency and comfort. In the us, where the driving distances can be cross country, and fuel is cheap, the rubber compound is built more for durability
This is the information I was looking for! Next year I am planning to get new tires for my Acura RL and since I drive mostly in the city, the car is getting ~15MPG. I do highway driving when there is no traffic however it is a short few mile drive. I was considering two tires: the one that your video is about and also a Pirelli P7 AS3. I really wouldn't want to decrease MPG any further and to have less road noise, I am leaning towards Pirelli P7. Anyone has experience with aforementioned Pirelli tires?
Super happy to give you the information that you were looking for! Some people hate the way I make these videos, because I talk too much. But I just try to make them like an honest Fernwood if you asked him how he liked his tires. If you like them, like I do, he would probably ramble a little bit until you exactly how cool they are. So I’m happy that still works with you. Thanks for the comment.
Man… for some reason, there has been hell on the EVs. Not sure why. Do you have a theory why it kills the EVs and Hybrids? I figure because they are heavy, and electric motors don’t like torque imbalance
On a heavy landrover LR4 I lost no miles over the previous stock perelli tires. But they are heavier duty CC2s vs the ones for cars. XL rated maybe the stiffer side walls helps with mileage yours don't have that.
Man, also I have a little sissy ass 4 cylinder. Like 2.5 l. You have to imagine this sucker has no torque, which is probably why they lose MPG. the EV community loses like 25% losses…
I've got a new RAV4 Limited Hybrid that's supposed to show up at the dealership sometime in the next 2 weeks. Depending on what tires it comes with will depend on if I keep them or trade them off immediately. After quite a bit of research, the CC2s are my first choice. I would rather have the Defender LTX M/S, but they're not made in a 225/60R18. This video & a couple of others have helped me determine I'm making the right choice. I need to find your other videos & watch them also. How many miles do you have on your Yota now & what is the current tread depth? Are they still wearing straight & how often do you rotate them? Perhaps I'll find these answers in your other vids, but you've got me fired up to find more info. Thanks for the detailed info! I thought I was the only OCD character who keeps all this info!
Buddy I am about to do a 75k mile review. THey have full life. I love them, and would get them again. Sorry for the late response. What did you end up doing?? Did you ever end up getting them/>? They are a nice investment
@@jakeofreshly Our RAV4 came with Dunlops & after a 25-30 mile test drive, I knew they had to go. We drove the RAV to Discount tire while we were still on our test drive & figured out what it would cost to trade for new Michelins. We ended up trading for the Defender 2 instead of CrossClimate 2. We've had the vehicle a bit over a month now & have just under 3,000 miles on it. Love the Defenders. The rolling resistance is supposedly much less than the CrossClimates. They basically transformed the car. The handling and noise reduction was amazing compared to the OE Dunlops. I realize the snow traction won't be as good as the CC2s, but we've got a Passport which is like a tank in the snow, so we're good. Thanks for the reply!
I haven't looked at our lifetime fuel economy (I have it set on the per trip meter), but we got just over 41 mpg on our first fillup & we've been running upper 30s to lower 40s so far with over half of our miles on the interstate with CC @ 77 most of the time. Driving around Madison Wi. a few weeks ago the trip average was running between 45 & 51 mpg. Call me amazed...
@@jonhansen4745 Your last response stated CC. Did you switch from the Defender2 or what do you mean by CC? I have a new Rav 4 hybrid with the dunlops and need to change them.
I'm not 100% sure where you saw the CC. What I did write was that the Defender2, which is what I put on has a lower rolling resistance than the CC2. I did exactly what you want to do in that I traded my OE Dunlop Grand Teks for the Michelin Defender 2s instead of the CrossClimate2s. We are very happy with the Defender2s, Which carry an 80,000 mile warranty over the CC2s which carry a 60,000 mile warranty. Hope that answers your question.@@jimmeehan3693
How are you with maintenance of your car do you use any fuel additive or engine cleaners synthetic oil? Also where did you get your tires from these are 250$ + per tire from what ive seen
I can tell my maintenance in one word: religious. Our religiously maintained my vehicle. And our religiously take care of it. Constantly on cruise control to get the best mileage. I treat my car like a baby. But when it comes to payments, I do everything. I do exactly what the factory recommended when I bought the car. I use synthetic oil and I get it changed at the dealership. I don't do any fuel additive or engine cleaners, because I brought the car brand new and it's not recommended from the factory. I religiously follow factory guidance I got it from this place called "tire engineers" in Birmingham. I ended up paying close to $1300 total for them to be put on the vehicle. So I paid a little bit more than that per tire. They were extremely expensive, in my opinion
@@dustintaylor9932 yeah one thing I started to realize after making these videos and talking to so many people like you: I really think that my people over charged me. Now I've had a lot of people who are getting charged the same exact amount as me, so I know I'm not the only one. However, it seems like people are going to Costco or Sam's club or Walmart or something like that and it seems like these big discount retailers offer better prices than actual tire shops in my area
Hello, for a Tiguan 4x4 R16, H type, i can confirm a strange wear of the rubber on the sides, front wheels only ( i think these are the safety zones or how they are called ). The middle part of the tire looks very good and the rear wheels also no problem. I must emphasize that i'm talking about CC 1( not plus ) DOT is 2019 and the car does less than 8k km per year, driven in the city by may dad so low speeds, no off-road, burnouts or aggressive driving . With all these observation i must say he is quite happy with the grip, handling and noise, on all weather types. Will be buying CC2 215/65 r17 103V for a Hyundai Tucson 2022 soon and watch it carefully. Honestly I'm more concerned on the wear when talking about the hot climate ( 38+ degrees that we are seeing now in Europe nowadays ) @Jake, can you please tell me what size are your tires and type ( V or H ), i think i missed these parts. Thank for your videos and detailed review, appreciate it !
I'm glad to hear he's happy with it. Maybe it is because of the fact that these tires are maturing and not as new, but I've been getting a lot of comments recently about wear patterns. It seems like you're not the only one. But I have noticed a pattern of people talking about wear patterns up in the north in the snow. I'm not exactly sure why, but I think maybe the temperature difference in between me and the South and other people up in the north could change the texture or firmness of the tire and maybe people are wearing them out more. I also thought maybe it's because people are slipping in the snow and grind on the tire is doing that. I just checked, and they are a v rating.
And I will walk out until you exactly what they are. But I have a Mazda CX-5 Gran touring limited edition and it comes with a 19-in rims. I can't remember exactly, because I'm sitting at my work desk. But I think they were 245 with 19-in rims. And v speed rating
@@alexpascu1985 hey man. Is comments like this to keep me doing it. So I appreciate you watching it and I appreciate you reaching out to me. Never thought my videos would reach as many people, so I can't tell you how thankful I am of people like you
I ended up buying and owning the falken trail tires on my mazda cx5 21. The road noise is actually amazing compared to the OEM. Il check your video out regardless. @@jakeofreshly
Hi Jake, It's a great review on Crossclimate2. I am planning to buy new tires for my Infiniti QX60 and am almost ready to buy this model but after looking at your review, it made me think to buy these tires or not. I live in New England area and I am looking for recommendations for new tires for my car. Can you please suggest a few tires models?
Hey buddy. So I would say trust me, but there are several people in the comments who have recommended dozens of tires in the comments of my "25000 review" video. You can find it in the playlist for these Michelin's on my page. there are a lot of people who mention other tires, but most ALL of them agree the CC2s are far superior to the tires they changed them for and the tires they have tried. I have had people from Sweden who have driven in -40 in snow drifts to people in lake tahoe in the slush that love these tires. So most of them say the CC2s are the best (and I agree hahahahaha). I have heard that the Nokian WRG4 SUVs are better, but that is one of the few ones that others recommend over the CC2 ( and who have owned the cc2)
But yea. go check my other videos that seem interesting in this playlist. I think I have 7-6 videos on these tires. the "5 problems with CC2" and the "25,000 mile review" are pretty good if you are looking to evaluate them a little more. THANKS FOR WATCHING
What if , just what if your rolling resistance of your new crossclimate 2 is more than your existing summer tyre ? That would say to me that I'd be expecting my fuel costs to rise and I'd take all that into consideration when buying . Now on the other hand like in my case the rolling resistance of the crossclimate 2 is actually better than my summer tyre and quieter so hopefully when i fit them i will benefit from quieter road noise and better fuel economy and combined with the snow and ice handling I'm a lot better off. You shouldnt really expect a all season or winter tyre to be as fuel efficient anyway its just how they are . If mine ends up costing a little more then its worth the trade off for the safety aspect in winter conditions. What if you dont make it to work in your summer tyred car ? You dont get paid when you're off? That there is a days pay .
So bro to bro, my cousin works in a tire shop. And he says these are some heavy ass tires. By far 20lbs heavier than a cooper or something like that. I think the weight messes it up.
I think the very fact that an all season/winter tyre has a much more open tread pattern it is almost expected that this will affect the drag hence slightly less mpg , it's the trade off for having safety in bad conditions which I'm willing to take .
Dude, really? That got you better mileage? I always follow the inside of the door, because it takkes the weight of the vehicle into place. SO if it says 36 psi, and you do 44. Psi, it will me more rounded and not apply the entire contact patch to the road. That can result in unusual wear down the centerline of the tire. But I have to know. Did it help the mileage? Bc the mileage is -2 for me
Nice spread sheet work. Speed really does kill mpg. With all the driving around, when do you find time to work? I ordered a 2022 Rav4 AWD (due any wk now) to replace my 10pmg around town Tundra..lol I want to get a good set of "all weather" tires for it and don't really want to give up any or very little mpg with the new tires. My choice is down to Cooper Discoverer AT-34s, Nokian WRG4, Toyo Celcius , or the Michelin CC2. I have to deal with some winter snow, so it will be a yr round tire.
You're exactly right. And the funny thing is you can actually look before I bought these tires and it was always so. I would get upper 20s or middle 30s for fuel efficiency all the time in the 70 mph range. But as soon as I jump up to the 80s, it would pretty drastically lose efficiency. So honestly, The tire is just accentuated that. It was a little bit worse, for sure. But I think the tires just made it more noticeable. It's definitely nothing that would stop me from getting another pair Actually, I have been an accountant and I switched over to sales. And now I'm an engineer but I'm an engineering manager. So I do not drive for work. My work is rather boring honestly. I just drive a lot to and from work as well as drive a lot to see family and friends around the country. So it's really more for fun
And if fuel efficiency is your thing, I do not think these are bad enough to throw them out of the running. But in snow, there's no debate. I test them more in water and floods and things like that. Hurricanes and tropical storms. But my tests in the snow have been absolutely amazing, and I've had people from all over the world talk about how great the snow traction is. If you scroll through the comments, there's a lot of people who have gotten stuck with these tires because they're basically treating your car like a snow plow lol
@@jakeofreshly I understand working from home you get cabin fever and need to hit the road. I used to live/work in Pasadena TX so I know all about floods and driving in deep water. Could not make it to work in a new Camaro. All trks and SUVs after that as the floods aren't going away anytime soon or ever....lol
@@Gary65437 You know it's actually funny. My actual passion is real estate, and I have about eight houses for rent. I know I'm young, but I'm a little dumb too and I wanted to start building some generational wealth. Well my most recent house I bought was in Houston, and I made sure to buy it in the North part of Houston. In Tomball. AND THE WHOLE REASON WAS BECAUSE OF THE FLOODING AND ALL OF THE PROBLEMS WITH THE RAINWATER DOWN SOUTH LOL. But I actually drive about 30 miles to work one way and 30 miles back. So that put a lot of miles on there too. But also last year I went down to Mobile Alabama to see my parents probably 15 weekends or so and every single time is a solid 400 mi one way. So I definitely drive them a lot lol
@@Gary65437 But probably the biggest issue is like what you said, cabin fever. We just love to get out and drive places. And I feel like driving to the destination is about half the battle. Once we get to a city, for example Austin, we probably burn 100 mi driving all over Austin and Criss crossing the entire city a day. Not that we spend the whole time in the car, but we just vacation differently Some people vacation and stay at the destination. Like people who go to luxury resorts and stay at the pool. We like to drive to places and enjoy the city. For example we stayed in a luxury resort in Cancun, and we barely spent any time there because we like to travel and see the whole area
You know, I wouldn't think so. The only ones I really noticed I have a bad hit are the electric vehicles. If you can deal with one or two miles per gallon, it shouldn't be a big feal
i dont agree ... i drive mountainous potholed twisty country lanes and find tyre pressures are absolutely critical and set mine 1,5 psi higher than that recommended for one person occupancy, by the car manufacturer., this is the sweet spot neither too soft or too harsh and steering becomes very precise ..... after a hard journey my tyres are barely warm and the pressure has barely risen... at this setting i now get 520 miles per tank fill instead of 465 on summer tyres ...............42 litre fill... my tyres will roughly pay for themselves over their lifetime, i suggest you pay attention to tyre pressure you set as your type of road use wont highlight how critical it is
And what I meant to say is thank you for watching my videos. I cannot tell you how much I appreciate you watching this videos and then caring enough to comment. I started making videos and I didn't think anybody would watch anything I made. But now I have conversations and it's gone to comments from people all over the world who are watching where I say. And I can't tell you how much I appreciate people like you spending your time on my videos. So thank you so much
But I must admit. The numbers do not lie. I measure miles per gallon instantaneously, and per fuel tank, and per oil change (which is about 5,000 mi) All eight oil changes have been significantly lower by a mile or two and every fuel tank is lower. So without a doubt, the numbers don't lie. And is not because of tire pressure
But yeah we are definitely driving totally different conditions. I'm driving 100% interstate driving, and I'm very very aware of tire pressure and other factors. I think what we could both agree is that these are the best tires on the planet. However, indisputably over 40,000 miles these things have taken more gas than they do. Like I said though, thank you for reaching out and talking to me about it. I bet it just has something to do with the different conditions. Because these tires get fantastic mileage at lower speeds like 60 mph on interstate. They still get 40 something miles per gallon for me
@@jakeofreshly interstate at 75 mph i get an increase to 660 miles out of the same 42 litre fill up.... the crossclimate 2 lasts twice as long , eliminates aqua plaining,, drives in 8 inch of snow ?ice and is good in summer and as for noise, i barely hear my engine never mind tyres as the european honda civic is so well soundproofed.....
@@harryharry8384 well that's one good thing I think we can agree on. I think we both love these tires. Because I really can't say much differently than what you're saying. These things are fantastic. And the traction and unsafe conditions such as water in snow or out of this world.
I wonder how much if a difference it will create on a 2022 Chevrolet Blazer with the 21" wheels. The stock Continental tires are complete junk and there's not much of a choice of tires with the 21" wheel size. Personally Its either new wheels with tires, cc2 or the Yokohamas for me.
Let me know what you end up getting. I think you end up going with michelin's, because 30 bucks of tire isn't that big of a deal. Especially not for the value you get. I wouldn't imagine it would be more than a couple miles per gallon. Bear in mind, I have a 2 and 1/2 L 4 cylinder. If you had anything with more torque, it probably wouldn't be a big deal
@@thegreatempire3882 good to hear. My damn tires won't wear out. Like I said, just did that tread depth review at 85,000 miles. The damn things I've ever happened to life in them. I wish they were out a little bit so I could do another review LOL
Is compared to a summer tire. Down here, when you buy a brand new car they only give you summer tires. We don't really have enough winter weather for them to warrant giving out winter tires on the vehicles. I'm comparing it to a Toyo stock tire from the dealership, of which I drove 48,000 mi on in about a year
@@jakeofreshly Okay thanks for the info because I need winter tires for about 4 months a year I wonder if that comes out to less or more than with the cc2 all year round.
@@dabj9546 well that is the cool thing about these tires. They are triple peak snow rated, so I'm pretty sure they will do for you You're around. I know I drive these year around, and I've had them for a little while now. I drove them through the entire winter and I drove them through slush and lake Tahoe and blizzards in North Carolina and a bunch of other bad conditions. And they always worked fantastic. So I couldn't imagine how buying two sets of tires would be any cheaper than buy one set
⚠️ You over inflate your tyres you shorten the tyres life as they will wear the centre tread out a lot lot faster than the outer plus poorly affect handling.
Well. All Asian, Korean, and Japanese (TOYO and others) are bad tires. Continental, Michelin, and Pirelli are top of the line, Goodyear are okay, Bridgestones are terrible. I have CrossClimate 2s (All-Weather, not to be confused with All-Season). My brand new 2023 Toyota Camry XSE 3.5L V6 came with OEM Bridgestone Turanza EL440's which were removed with only 3 miles driven on them per delivery from Factory to Dealership. I drove ASAP to the nearby Tire and Service Store about a half-mile from the Toyota Dealership and got my CC2 installed. I've been keeping mileage and fuel fillups and cost, etc. The 2023 Camry XSE V6 window sticker 22 City/ 26 Average/32 Highway. Month after month and with my 6 month/12 month/ and recently 18 month Toyota Care Maintenance Service I keep on telling them/complained about my very poor MPG. My average is 16.99 MPG nowhere close to 26MPG. City is 14MPG and Highway is 25MPG. So where is 22 City /26 average/ and 32 HW??? The Toyota Dealership has told me that must be the Michelin CrossClimate2 tires for the cause of my poor MPG. They always are at the proper Inflation at 35/36 PSI. My Camry odometer is at 7,310 miles in 18 months of driving. I use the Camry computer from the Instrument Panel displaying Tire Pressure and the Toyota App on my phone. The Fuel Nozzle symbol display on the Instrument Cluster has 16.4 MPG next to it, so when I say getting 16.99 MPG somewhat close. It is hard to accept that Michelin CC2 is causing a 9 MPG drop. Just "Passing the Buck" blaming something other than the Camry 2GR-FKS V6 engine. My 2023 Camry XSE V6 drives very well and handles the roads with ease, the Camry with CC2s went through 2 winter seasons as where I live the annual snowfall average is 126 inches. The last several winters have been milder so with climate change appears we are getting about 90 inches of snowfall or below average. I love the Michelin CC2s. But to say they are likely the cause of 9 MPG less than the Camry average is Bogus. Winter Tires or at times other tires can decrease your nominal MPG from 1 to possibly 5, but no way in hell lose 9 MPG.
Do you know I’ve had a lot of people fight me on it. I’ve had some technical people fight me on it, but specifically a bunch of engineers fight me on it talking about how it would either be aerodynamics or changes tire pressure. But at the end of the day, if you get these tires are going to lose some miles per gallon. Now shockingly, it seems kind of strange that you’re losing nine. But I have heard a lot of of people in my comments over the years talk about losing a lot of mileage, electric vehicles and hybrid vehicles. I’ve had people talk about losing 30% efficiency on electric vehicles. And one thing I know from my nephew that is an tire shop is that he says these things are extremely heavy. When he gets one of these off the truck and has to install it, he always knows he’s going to have a sore back because the damn things are just heavy. So I’m not surprised at all. Although it seems like a lot 9 miles per gallon. Pretty ridiculous.
You know it's kind of funny because it sounds like you track your fuel efficiency like I track mine. I know exactly how much mine is, and I know mine went from 28.7 down to 27 to 27 and 1/2. So you sound like a detailed, technically oriented person lol Yeah that's what they did for me.
I appreciate the effort you went to in creating this video, which I consulted before my CrossClimate2 purchase. I replaced the Bridgestone Dueler Ecopia tires that came on my Highlander Hybrid with CrossClimate2 tires 1100 miles ago and am actually getting marginally better milage (about 1/2 MPG).
Whoa!!! That is great, and unexpected! How are they holding up so far!
Four months later it's a dead-heat milage-wise.
You know that's good to hear. I had some transmission engineer or gearing with me for 30 or 40 posts about how these things do not lose mileage. And that's hard to debate when you know they do LOL especially with an engineer. So I'm happy that they didn't lose too much
Working in a tire shop, and selling these tires regularly, they are very Heavy (compared to similar sized counterparts), and the tread design promotes rolling resistance. BUT, that's a small sacrifice for safety, and a lot of (if not most tire designs) sacrifice grip and comfort for combatting rolling resistance. I can't wait to get a set of these on my little highway warrior.
So it costs you another $300 a year for fuel but as you say safety comes first. If you wreck your car there goes any savings with cheaper tires and that does not include if you have an injury causing loss of work As for traction you are right about rolling resistance I had my window down a little and I can hear these things on the road it sounds like a paint roller on a wall you can hear it sticking to the pavement they are GOATs. As for fuel economy I can't tell yet if my Hybrid is losing efficiency as this time of year in colder weather hybrids always get worse mileage.
I have a cousin that works in the tire shop too, and he says these are the heaviest bastards on the floor
I'm loosing around 5 miles per gallon on cross climate 2 compared to original tires from car manufacturer. I have 2021 Toyota Rav4 hybrid and Im getting an average o 44.4 mpg city driving and using original tires from manufacturer which is Firestone Destination. After I replaced it with Cross Climate 2 I'm getting an average of 39.2 mpg. There is a difference of 4 KM/hour on my speedometer compared to aftermarket GPS which is quite accurate.
You know that's one thing that I haven't covered at all. I've done about 10 or 15 videos on these tires, but I haven't covered the fact that they might be changing the odometer. I wonder how that plays into the
And man, I've talked to a bunch of people who have hybrids and electric vehicles. I don't know why, but some people have lost up to a third of their efficiency.
Sorry it is not .4km/hour but it is 4km/hour so it might look like I travelled more than it should that affected the odometer. I might have to calculate the errors but it is winter here right now and the roads are slippery and some roads are covered with snow. I have to wait till summer to get better accuracy. @@jakeofreshly
So it's about that time! Need to shoot me some reviews on the odometer when the snow clears!!
By the way, I just did $85,000 mile review with a tire tread depth gauge and I have over half the tire life left
2018 MKZh here , no mpg loss ( 40-42) , I cannot say how much I like this tire in all weather conditions , also they hold the tire pressure really well .
How has it been so far?
Bridgestone weather peak, fairly new tire compared to cc2, have excelllent performance and no mileage issue. I was stuck between these two choices, after lots of research, I am getting weather peak.
What do you like about them that you think is better? Just curious?
@jakemarchand8627 fuel efficiency is better, stopping distance in snow and less noisy plus longevity if you compare warranty.
So funny story about longevity. I actually just did a video where I measured the tread depth of my tires after $85,000 miles driven. And I have over half the life on the tires left. They come at 10 mm tread depth. And I still have 6.5 mm tread depth. Legal limit is 2
Jake, it would be interesting if you have started doing the things we spoke about tire pressure checked regularly, alignments and rotation. All help with MPG. Maybe mention that in your video’s so others are informed about good tire care and good maintenance of their vehicle.
You know it's interesting. Ever since we spoke, I have actually been testing a little bit of stuff out. I was scared to change everything, because I just wanted to stick to factory, factory, factory, and more factory settings. But recently I have changed just a few things and I must say the ride quality has not changed one bit. You can put the tires up a little bit higher, and nothing changes. And I really haven't noticed a change in fuel efficiency. So I'm not sure if it's how these tires are built, or the way the tread pattern is, or the actual overall shape of the tread, but it seems like they're pretty forgiving and just about any condition you do.
I was expecting to negate the loss in miles per gallon by changing the air pressure parameters, but I haven't noticed it gotten any better.
That being said, the trade-off is fantastic. If I noticed I started getting better fuel efficiency but lost any of the benefits I have mentioned, I would just put everything back to stock. I'm so dang happy with these tires, I'm about to have a cow. And I don't want to mess that up lol
But you have definitely given me a little bit of confidence, that is for sure
Brother this is crazy. What type of car do you drive? That does seem high (44), but then again, it is what is recommended from the factory
Yes 1-2 mpg loss is what I’m finding as well. I’m sure it’s dependent on the specific car and what tires you had on there prior like if your vehicle was specked with a low rolling resistance tire you would probably notice a big difference then if it had some what of a all-terrain tire on it. My theory is that it’s close to a 10% loss so for instance my car typically gets about 23 miles per gallon in the city and 27 to 30 on the highway a 10% loss puts me in about 1 to 2 miles per gallon. Now I do feel as though it is worth it for the security I feel when driving in the rain and snow it’s unmatched especially in the rain I am never fearful of hydroplaning when driving normal on the highway like I was when I had my Bridgestone dulers, I never did hydroplane but I felt like I could’ve but with the Michelin‘s I feel firmly planted to the road, honestly I wish I could see what the tires look like from the back when driving in heavy rain I would like to see how far the water is thrown away from the tire.
I pretty much can't agree more. I never have hydroplaned and crashed, but I can't tell you how many times I would be driving on the interstate on long trips through the rain and then my traction control would take control and my tires would be slipping and sliding. If I didn't have traction control and a new vehicle, I'm most definitely sure I would have crashed by now. But I've definitely had it happen a lot of times where I lose control and traction control has to take over for me
I haven't had that one time since I purchased these tires last year. Not one single time.
And I have actually thought about the same thing as well lol. When you hit really big water, it reminds me of when I was a child and I used to ride my bicycle through water puddles. The tires cut through the water and send a rooster tail splashing out to each side.
When I do this as well, I noticed it happens and I can hear the water splashing against the underside of my vehicle. I always thought it would be really interesting to see what it looks like from a third person perspective. However, the tires move too fast for you to be able to see that on the interstate and identify if you looking at the cross climate twos
Can you isolate mpg for the last 10,000 miles vs the first 10,000 miles? All NEW tires get about 10-15% lower mpg until they get broken in. I learned this when researching why a brand new set of the same tires I removed got less mpg.
@@jedi_mapperp4073after about 10k I would say I’m within 1 to 2 mpg range of my old Bridgestone tires so not to bad.
For me - I have noticed a 10% mpg hit with my 2019 Camry Hybrid LE vs OE - Firestone FT140 (summer gas, similar outside temperature, driving patterns). The higher rolling resistance is obvious on light down slopes where ... I don't have to break and on light up slopes which I can no longer do at 35mph in electric mode. The battery charge level seems more often to be not high enough for 100% EV mode.
The fuel mileage penalty is a small price to pay to have a tire that performs very well in the rain. This tire is designed so that water is pushed away to the side when the rolls through a puddle. All the reviews on this tire to prevent hydroplanning have been excellent.
That is the number one reason I love them. The snow is great, but year round I have to have these.
The wet & dry performance on the Defender 2s has also been very impressive. We drove through approximately 160 miles of rain this past weekend . At times there would be considerable amounts of water standing on the interstate and a few times there were numerous cars pulling to the side of the road waiting for the rain to letup. My wife was driving & she is usually a bit cautious driving when there is standing water on the road, but the RAV never once felt like it was trying to hydroplane even @ 70 mph which is the slowest that I noticed we were going. I know that the Defenders won't be as good in the snow as the CrossClimates, but we have a '21 Passport set up for Iowa winter driving if the snow gets that bad. I may switch the Passport over to CC2s when it needs tire. We'll see.
@@jonhansen4745 Man I'm sure there's a lot of other good options out there. I haven't tried them all. I'm not sponsored or anything like that, so it's not even like I have a really rigorous test. Just wanted to give you an honest opinion like you were asking a friend. Let me know if you ever get them
@@jakeofreshly Will do Jake. I've really enjoyed your reviews of them. How soon before you wear them out & do a final review, and how many miles on them at this time?
@jonhansen4745 brother, curious! How did things end up going? Did you end up getting them?
Spot on, Jake. I don't think people realize the true cost of these tires. 10% reduction over 50k miles on a car that average 35 mpg...That ends up being a 158 gallon difference over the lifetime of these tires! 158 x $3.50 gas = $553 Extra to own these for 50k miles!
And man, that is if you drive the speed limit… when you go fast, it is much worse
Fantastic video my friend. I have these tires on my Benz GLK250 4MATIC Bluetec and also noticed a slight mpg difference driving. Usually, I’ll get around 27-30MPG Highway and now it’s slightly less.
City driving, my MPG took a hit by 2-3MPG but it’s nothing crazy since I drive a diesel.
Man I know this is going to sound like I'm a sucker, but I really can't tell you how much I appreciate it. I mean first, I'm thankful that you're watching my videos. When I started this, I never thought I was going to get anybody to watch my videos. Much less appreciate them. But you just reaching out to me and telling me this... Makes it all worth it. I really really appreciate you watching my videos and caring enough to comment.
Sorry for the suck up Yes lol But thank you. And yeah that's the biggest problem I noticed with them, but it's never been enough for me to really care. I have about 10 videos on these tires, and the mileage was something that kept coming up that I felt like I needed to do a video about.
If you're like me, then you pretty much know the average miles per gallon at every speed level. At 60, 65, 70, etc. So I definitely noticed it when it happened. I had to wait for about 5,000 mi to see what I had over a significant distance, but there's no denying it now lol
That's one thing that's kind of interesting though, because I haven't really got to test the city mileage. I don't trust city mileage, specifically because the way I drive and the driving situations in our particular city. It's to stop and start and to erratic. But I'm sure it's got to be a little bit worse than on the highway. The highway is definitely at least a mile or two loss
@@jakeofreshly these tires make me feel like *Batman* bro, I get it 😂😂 totally worth it to me. Performance is fantastic
@@boukm3n Hell yeah they do. I'm just about to run them over 50,000 mi and I actually have a tread depth measurement tool so we should be good to go. See what they're doing.
Basically brand new for me still though. So you should get some lights out of them
I think the mpg loss is due to 2 factors. 1. I noticed in my application on my 2019 Jetta, these tires are around 1-2 pounds heavier than the stock OEM tires. That’s due to a thicker sidewall to achieve the 3PMSF rating for winter driving.2. The aggressive v tread and knobby characteristics of these tires also contribute to a minor downgrade in fuel mileage, look at any true winter tires and the same results bear fruit. Loss of mpg.
I put them on my 2010 Jetta TDI and they did at first drop my mileage for the break in period. Now I’m getting within 1 MPG or less now they are broken in. My car is designed to be heavier with the Diesel engine and the size, amount of steel around etc. I’m gonna guess EV need very low resistance in order to drive properly as an increase weight in say a Prius would cause problems. Most car manufacturers these days recommend certain ratings on the tires they recommend Might even go thru charges too fast. 🤷🏼♀️
I have a 2021 Highlander and the best thing about these tires is a lot more important than a couple of miles per gallon. The best thing about these tires is you don't have to spend another $1500 on summer tires not including the cost of switching them twice a year. My Highlander gets 24.8 miles per US gallon and to me that is pretty good for a vehicle this size. Great tires winter or summer.
Man it is funny how you guys have to change tires. I just run these year round, like you said, and they are the best. Especially during the summer rainy seasons
After 9 months, 9k and trips to intense snow and the hot desert, my cross climates are not showing wear! I put them on my Mazda CX 5 Turbo Carbon edition. After my recent tire rotation, Mazda said my tires have 90% tread-ware left.
As for MPG, I have roof rack and cargo basket on top so , I am at 22 mpg in the city and 26 on the freeway .
How are they a year later?
@@jakeofreshly
Just had a service and after 28 k and 2 years my tires are 8 tread in front
and 7 in the rear
not bad!!
Man, mine are killing it after 85k miles. just did another video actually, with durability measurments
I have about 12K on my CC2's, that are on an Outback. I'm 66 years old and these are the best tires by far that I've ever owned. They are awesome in rain and snow, and probably even rival some dedicated snow tires. As these tires have been run some, the gas mileage has gotten a little better as is the case with any new tire.
Brother, you should see how they last... I just did a video and measured the tread depth at 85,000 miles
@@jakeofreshly I saw that video. I'll be happy to get half that mileage on mine. I'm so used to getting 25K out of most tires.
That is what I said. I had these shitty toyo tires that came on standard. I started seeing this RED band in the tires around 30k miles. For better or worse, I still rode them until 38k miles. After that, they were so slick, and that RED line was so pronounced, that I had to get a new set or tires.
Now, reason I got them was bc My Dad, Grandpa, and Uncle all ride Michelin. My uncle redd swears by them, so I gave them a test.
@@5777alan Man, you are going to get a lot more than that
Actually the CC2 has one of the best mpg among all weather tyres. Normally the people here in North Germany use them as winter tyres as we see maybe 5 days of snow in the season. They are much better in wet and dry than winter tyres and have much better mpg. But Yes, summer tyres in summer are better in any field than all weather tyres.
Yeah that's another thing for me too. I'm actually in Alabama, which is a really hot state. I've seen snow like twice in my life. So I'm actually not the perfect customer for these all weather snow tires. We just run summer tires year around. So I think that has to take a little bit of consideration into it.
Now if you were comparing these to actual snow tires, there's no comparison. These have way better miles per gallon.
Also there is a difference in the fuel economy ratings on several sizes between the standard CC2 (c rating) & the CC2 XL (b rating), here in the UK anyway. Fuel economy might also vary depending on the actual size of the tyre profilr as well I would have thought.
Yeah, without a doubt. I’ve actually just did a review after 85,000 miles to test the durability and measure the tire depth, and I’ll probably be done about 16 or 18 changes. It’s definitely not a myth about the Loss in mileage.
I saw a long term review of the hybrid Toyota Sienna and they were the only testers that got significantly lower fuel economy than manufacturer claims of 35-36 mpg. They were riding CC2 tires, so that was probably the culprit.
Oh man… it definitely was. IDC what the TH-cam warriors say, I have it charted and spreadsheeted over tens of thousands of miles. I knew it the first gas tank I ran on them though. But the dat backs it up easily.
I have these on my Tesla and noticed the same thing. Efficiency is measured in Watt Hours per Mile. I used to get about 230-240 Wh/mi on the highway and now it’s about 250-260 Wh/mi. I do not notice any difference in efficiency when city driving though. They are also super loud at speeds over 45.
You know I said they were louder, and a lot of people fought with me. But I am happy to hear you say that because if anybody would know about quietness, it would be somebody without a gas engine. When you say super loud, are they annoying to you?
@@jakeofreshly it’s interesting you mention this because I actually got them replaced with brand new ones yesterday (they only lasted 30K miles but I tend to drive with a heavy foot and EV’s chew through tires more quickly than ICE cars) and the difference in noise is quite significant. I can actually hear the car’s cooling system and valves operating while I’m driving now which used to be drowned out before by the drone of the tires. So they got louder over time which is a given with any tires, not just these ones. However, these seem to make more noise more quickly than other tires. I also would like to note that the factory tires that the car came with were significantly quieter, even when worn out. I specifically remember the first time I got the CC2’s installed, I was shocked at the road noise as I drove away from the service center. So, there is no denying that these are louder and less efficient.
@@j.r.f8381 I'm kind of happy you said that. I've had a lot of people fighting with me over that. Now to be honest, I put them on a brand new car. So you already know all the door seals and window seals and sound isolation was brand new and working at its peak. Also, it's not like it was a 93 turbo diesel. It's going to be naturally quiet. But I could tell a slight difference
I imagine difference would be a lot more for vehicle like yours that is naturally silent except for road noise.
So I'm actually happy you said that. I've had a lot of people giving me some hate for saying they were louder. And I thought it might have just been my imagination. But it's good to hear that they definitely are louder. I 100% agree with you
@@j.r.f8381 Now bear in mind, I still wouldn't switch them because I love them to death. And I've got over 40,000 mi of mine would not really any significant wear. But I drive like a grandpa as you can tell in a lot of my videos lol lol
I have 55k on my 2021 VW Golf 1.4T manual, and I'm at 5/32nds left. I don't drive aggressively except on the very rare occasion where I may be late to an important appointment or something. I have really liked these tires, I have driven them through all types of conditions except ice and they are very confidence-inspiring. However, I recently purchased a 4WD pickup which has 3PMS tires on it, so after my CC2s wear out I am considering switching to Michelin Defender2 instead for the longer tread life and still pretty good wet/winter performance. I think the D2s get slightly improved fuel economy over the CC2s also, as well as being a little bit cheaper to purchase. I strongly recommend the CC2 tire for virtually everyone, except if you are going to be driving on gravel a lot -- my tires have chips in some of the tread blocks from that kind type of terrain. If you will be doing much gravel or if you want solid off-road traction, the BFG Trail Terrain is kind of like the AT version of this tire in certain respects.
You know it's funny that you said that. I had a lot of people when I started making these videos asking me if they'd be good on the Subaru or if they good for off-road. And honestly, there's no way a set of miniature tractor tires is going to be any worse than some regular radial tires. However, I never mentioned the fact that it will pick up rocks and sling the hell out of them. Sounds like a slingshot up under the fender Wells
Have you ever noticed that?
I have lost hardly any MPG (2021 Honda Accord 2.0T). And it is well worth it in the winter.
That's good. That was one of my biggest complaints was the loss and mileage. And mine has been very consistent. So yours hasn't lost at all? And also, how are they performing in the winter? In the snow?
@@jakeofreshly Extremely good in the snow. I live in NE Ohio and we had a heavy snow winter starting in Jasnuary. I never got stuck or had any problems, even in over 6 inches of snow. My car is rated (EPA on the sticker) at 22 city, 32 highway. I'm averaging 25 city and 34 highway with the CC2 TIRES.
@@jamessephar9458 dude fantastic to hear brother. I wish mine was that way, but the lose in mileage is minimal. Honestly, I am only losing about a mile per gallon or so . Not too big of a deal. How is the wear going? That was one of the strongpoints of the tires to me, the durability
I have the Accord 2.0T 6SPD. The stock tires Goodyear Eagle wore out in 21,000 miles. I'm extremely excited to get these tires on Friday... (2 days) I'm paying $1,400 including tires mounted, balanced, and the $40 per tire 3 year warranty. I see so many people saying they paid under $200 per tire? Am I over paying big time?
@@N3wbMa5t3r I got mine at Discount Tire Mart for under 1000 for all four including warranty. Remember cost depends on size of tire.
For a range of the CrossClimat 2 there are 2 versions available. The normal one ist the SUV version. But some have vol at the ending. Those are special designed for Volvo. And they have better roll resistance giving you better fuel efficiency.
Wonder why they have tire specifically designed for a Volvo..
@@jakeofreshly Because Volvo ships out their C40 SUV on all season tires. And those are Michelin CorossClimate 2 vol. They asked Micheline to design a special EV SUV Version. So Michelin is selling them also to the open market.
@@ufdring You know that's kind of cool. Because I've heard some people with electric vehicles talk about how they're getting a lot less efficiency. And I don't understand how that would actually change on a petroleum car versus an electric vehicle. Like I don't think rolling resistance or anything like that would change. So it's kind of interesting to hear that they did actually make something new
Because I've heard a lot of people complain about their Chevy volt getting worse efficiency
10% loss seems to be fairly accurate. I have 2.0T TDI and my mileage has gone down from 40mpg to 35mpg. A little more than 10% for me. Also road noise is an issue, especially when taking turns on the highway. It’s a little disappointing but their handling is amazing.
There's one thing I noticed too, but I tried not to make too big of a deal out of it. I actually have a video if you click on my cross climate playlist where I go through and I actually have a decibel reader and measure it at how loud it gets. It's kind of a nitpicky concern, as it really doesn't affect anything. And you never have to raise your voice when you're in the vehicle. But I would have to say it's a little bit louder than the stock Toyo tires that came on my vehicle.
Biggest thing for me is probably the fuel mileage efficiency loss, but I think it's well worth it. And I know if you drive fast it's a hell of a lot of difference you know.
Going from my worn out Toyo Avid GT's to CC'2s on my 21 Outback I have lost 3MPG. It might even be more than that. I had squeezed out 28.5 MPG before I took my old tires off, by being careful of my driving. the first tank of gas with the CC2's I got 24 mpg, and I was being careful with my driving. Some of that can be contributed to just having new tires on. Regardless of brand you put on, if you are going from old worn tires to new tires you are going to lose some gas mileage.
Yeah 100%. However, I'm a fiend for tracking this statistics of my vehicle. I've been tracking these suckers since the day I bought it with brand new tires. And it's funny, because I had the almost exact same situation as you. I got 28.5 miles per gallon over average. Now if I wanted to babyfoot it, I could even get it up to 36 miles per gallon if I just went 60 miles per hour everywhere I went. But there is no doubt at all that they drop several miles per gallon
I still wouldn't trade them for the world, but it's just the truth
Just dumped the avid gt yoko’s today for cc2’s. Did you also get an alignment done?
@@jakeofreshly Yeah, I don't get it that people are saying no loss of Gas mileage with these tires. I call BS. Even the fact of putting any new tire on you lose a bit of gas mileage.
@@dwaaziwaazi Yes I did have the alignment checked, by a business that alignment is the only thing they do.
@@5777alan you got the big 2.4 or 2.5?
The way I look at it is that if I didn’t choose to use the CC2s year round and went to winter tires for half the year I’d burn a lot more gas with the winters on so worth a small loss of mpg for the quality and versatility of the CC2s
Brother, I agree. Also, I just love the grip. Man, it would be like trying to find the value of mud tires on a truck, if you are gong through mud…
I have a 2019 VW Passat and I lost at least 5 mpg and I drive 55 miles a day! It was enough for me to sell the Crossclimate and buy a mpg all season tires and I got all of that back
That's been the main argument against him. I would buy mine again and again, as I'm about to do an 85,000 me review. But I definitely lost 2 to 3 Mi per gallon. If, for example, I didn't buy them. I bet I would enjoy the hell out of having 30 Mi per gallon again
What most people that say they loose fuel efficiency on these tires don't realize is the fact that these tires including treads are bigger than other tires. Inother words the diameter of these tires is bigger. If you buy these tires recalibrate your speedometer. A 245/40/18 from one tire is not the exact same size as another. Especially they are a different type of tire ie summer to all season. Tire pressure also matter. Your car calculates mpg and speed for factory tires so if you change your tires recalibrate your speedometer. It won't make that drastic of a difference but over hundreds of miles it might be one of the reasons for "lose" in fuel economy
Yeah I agree. And honestly, it's not even that big of a deal. I mean if you are buying these tires, then you are probably more worried about performance and safety and snow and rain traction. You're probably not buying these for fuel efficiency. There's a lot more fuel efficient tires on the market that are specifically built for that, so it's kind of like judging a tool out of its element.
Kind of like judging a hatchet or axe And wondering why it's not good at filleting fish.
What overall, if you watch a couple of my videos, you can tell I'm absolutely in love with these tires. So it's not a big enough deal for me to worry about
2021 Toyota Venza hybrid, my average mpg per tank dropped from 43 to 35 mpg after I got these CrossClimate2!
Dude do you know why hybrids and ev’s are getting hammered with these tires?
wouldn't it depend on the tires you are replacing? If you are replacing MUD and TRAIL tires with huge tractor treads, I doubt the CC2s would be a loss. If you are replacing a slick summer tire then I would expect a loss.
Yeah when I'm talking about that, I'm really just talking about regular street tires. I replaced a pair of Toyo stock tires online, so there's no comparison. But it is kind of unrealistic for me cuz I've never even noticed that I would put tractor tires on the Mazda CX-5 two-wheel drive
I have a 2022 Camry XLE hybrid and I switched to the CC2s and so far I went from 5.8L/100 (40.55mpg) in the city to 6.9-7.0 L/100 (34.08-33.60 mpg). On the highway it's 38-39 mpg. Coming from a 4runner limited that averaged 12 mpg in the city is a big difference. Went 3 weeks and my gas was between full and 3/4 in my hybrid with the cc2s.
Whoaaaaa… really??? It was that bad?? I have heard mixed results from my EV people, but I don’t understand.
Yep averaging 5.9L-6.0L/100km since then and I'm used to it now. A lot of hills where I live so that makes a difference as well.@@jakeofreshly
Yes it is that bad. My 2021 toyota rav4 hybrid went from 44.38 to 39.2 mpg after replacing the original tires with CC2.@@jakeofreshly
I'm not surprised. I hear that a lot on those. Good news though, the tires last $85,000 miles at least
@@jakeofreshly over the winter months until now I'm averaging 31.78 mpg's. In the wet snow here on the west coast they are OK still better than all seasons for sure but I had to really pick my spots driving plus we have a lot of hills as well. Have a great day Jake!
Who cares about losing a mile or two when you feel safer without hydroplaning in the rain .
That was my point exactly
Hi. I have the Cross Climate + on my Wife's Opel Astra 1.6. The fronts are done at less than 12k miles. She is 59, and with a whopping 105bhp on tap, is not inclined to doing burnouts. Very disappointed. Will not buy again. They are an expensive tyre and should last longer. Trying the Goodyear Vector 3 next, or even the Bridgestone WeatherControl.
WOWWWWWWW That is absolutely NUTS!!!
So I just did a 40K video, and it was the first time I was actually seeing any wear from my measurements. I did a bunch of reviews on these tires so far, and even the in 25K mile review I couldn't find any wear to speak of. So that is strange that your would wear down so quickly.
What conditions are you driving in? mostly interstate or around town? dirt roads or city?
what type of mileage did you get on the previous tires for this car?
maybe it is because I drive slow, but I have never gotten less than 60,000 on a set of tires until I bought my Mazda CX5 brand new. it came with a set of Toyos and they were mostly wore out by the time I hit 40K. I road them to 48K, but they were BURNT!
@@jakeofreshly Just take note that if someone mentions CrossClimate 1 or CrossClimate+, they are NOT the same as the CrossClimate2. They only share similar names and similar tread pattern.
100%
Appears the US CC2's are not the same as the European CC2's. They have a different compound. The EU versions have a much lower rolling resistance due to EU legal requirements. I have less then 5% lower mileage compared to stock tyres (for Rav4 hybrid plugin).
Yea man. Over there, who is more expensive and driving distances are a lot shorter, they have a preference for efficiency and comfort. In the us, where the driving distances can be cross country, and fuel is cheap, the rubber compound is built more for durability
This is the information I was looking for! Next year I am planning to get new tires for my Acura RL and since I drive mostly in the city, the car is getting ~15MPG. I do highway driving when there is no traffic however it is a short few mile drive. I was considering two tires: the one that your video is about and also a Pirelli P7 AS3. I really wouldn't want to decrease MPG any further and to have less road noise, I am leaning towards Pirelli P7. Anyone has experience with aforementioned Pirelli tires?
Super happy to give you the information that you were looking for! Some people hate the way I make these videos, because I talk too much. But I just try to make them like an honest Fernwood if you asked him how he liked his tires. If you like them, like I do, he would probably ramble a little bit until you exactly how cool they are. So I’m happy that still works with you. Thanks for the comment.
I drive a lot on the highway just like this guy. So i decided to get a CVT transmission vehicle
Haha how has it turned out?
Haha how has it turned out?
These tires were chosen by Volvo for their hybrid cars.
I am finding a lot of mixed messages about the MPG of these tires.
Dude, there are crazy problems with them on the electric vehicles. I’m not sure why, but it’s killing the fuel efficiency pretty bad.
Physics would dictate that tires that “stick” might cause more resistance.
That is wha I would think. They aren’t that bad so far. They really mess up the EV people though.
I put them on my EV and I lose around 15% of range with CC2. In fact I even installed aero wheels and they didnt help.
Man… for some reason, there has been hell on the EVs. Not sure why. Do you have a theory why it kills the EVs and Hybrids? I figure because they are heavy, and electric motors don’t like torque imbalance
On a heavy landrover LR4 I lost no miles over the previous stock perelli tires.
But they are heavier duty CC2s vs the ones for cars. XL rated maybe the stiffer side walls helps with mileage yours don't have that.
Man, also I have a little sissy ass 4 cylinder. Like 2.5 l. You have to imagine this sucker has no torque, which is probably why they lose MPG. the EV community loses like 25% losses…
I've got a new RAV4 Limited Hybrid that's supposed to show up at the dealership sometime in the next 2 weeks. Depending on what tires it comes with will depend on if I keep them or trade them off immediately. After quite a bit of research, the CC2s are my first choice. I would rather have the Defender LTX M/S, but they're not made in a 225/60R18. This video & a couple of others have helped me determine I'm making the right choice. I need to find your other videos & watch them also. How many miles do you have on your Yota now & what is the current tread depth? Are they still wearing straight & how often do you rotate them? Perhaps I'll find these answers in your other vids, but you've got me fired up to find more info. Thanks for the detailed info! I thought I was the only OCD character who keeps all this info!
Buddy I am about to do a 75k mile review. THey have full life. I love them, and would get them again.
Sorry for the late response.
What did you end up doing?? Did you ever end up getting them/>? They are a nice investment
@@jakeofreshly Our RAV4 came with Dunlops & after a 25-30 mile test drive, I knew they had to go. We drove the RAV to Discount tire while we were still on our test drive & figured out what it would cost to trade for new Michelins. We ended up trading for the Defender 2 instead of CrossClimate 2. We've had the vehicle a bit over a month now & have just under 3,000 miles on it. Love the Defenders. The rolling resistance is supposedly much less than the CrossClimates. They basically transformed the car. The handling and noise reduction was amazing compared to the OE Dunlops. I realize the snow traction won't be as good as the CC2s, but we've got a Passport which is like a tank in the snow, so we're good. Thanks for the reply!
I haven't looked at our lifetime fuel economy (I have it set on the per trip meter), but we got just over 41 mpg on our first fillup & we've been running upper 30s to lower 40s so far with over half of our miles on the interstate with CC @ 77 most of the time. Driving around Madison Wi. a few weeks ago the trip average was running between 45 & 51 mpg. Call me amazed...
@@jonhansen4745 Your last response stated CC. Did you switch from the Defender2 or what do you mean by CC? I have a new Rav 4 hybrid with the dunlops and need to change them.
I'm not 100% sure where you saw the CC. What I did write was that the Defender2, which is what I put on has a lower rolling resistance than the CC2. I did exactly what you want to do in that I traded my OE Dunlop Grand Teks for the Michelin Defender 2s instead of the CrossClimate2s. We are very happy with the Defender2s, Which carry an 80,000 mile warranty over the CC2s which carry a 60,000 mile warranty. Hope that answers your question.@@jimmeehan3693
How are you with maintenance of your car do you use any fuel additive or engine cleaners synthetic oil? Also where did you get your tires from these are 250$ + per tire from what ive seen
I can tell my maintenance in one word: religious. Our religiously maintained my vehicle. And our religiously take care of it. Constantly on cruise control to get the best mileage. I treat my car like a baby. But when it comes to payments, I do everything.
I do exactly what the factory recommended when I bought the car. I use synthetic oil and I get it changed at the dealership. I don't do any fuel additive or engine cleaners, because I brought the car brand new and it's not recommended from the factory. I religiously follow factory guidance
I got it from this place called "tire engineers" in Birmingham. I ended up paying close to $1300 total for them to be put on the vehicle. So I paid a little bit more than that per tire. They were extremely expensive, in my opinion
2013 taurus interceptor price was $311 per installed $1244 so went to Walmart and got a 10% discount and total it was about $300 less.
@@dustintaylor9932 yeah one thing I started to realize after making these videos and talking to so many people like you: I really think that my people over charged me. Now I've had a lot of people who are getting charged the same exact amount as me, so I know I'm not the only one.
However, it seems like people are going to Costco or Sam's club or Walmart or something like that and it seems like these big discount retailers offer better prices than actual tire shops in my area
Hello, for a Tiguan 4x4 R16, H type, i can confirm a strange wear of the rubber on the sides, front wheels only ( i think these are the safety zones or how they are called ). The middle part of the tire looks very good and the rear wheels also no problem.
I must emphasize that i'm talking about CC 1( not plus )
DOT is 2019 and the car does less than 8k km per year, driven in the city by may dad so low speeds, no off-road, burnouts or aggressive driving .
With all these observation i must say he is quite happy with the grip, handling and noise, on all weather types.
Will be buying CC2 215/65 r17 103V for a Hyundai Tucson 2022 soon and watch it carefully.
Honestly I'm more concerned on the wear when talking about the hot climate ( 38+ degrees that we are seeing now in Europe nowadays )
@Jake, can you please tell me what size are your tires and type ( V or H ), i think i missed these parts.
Thank for your videos and detailed review, appreciate it !
I'm glad to hear he's happy with it. Maybe it is because of the fact that these tires are maturing and not as new, but I've been getting a lot of comments recently about wear patterns. It seems like you're not the only one. But I have noticed a pattern of people talking about wear patterns up in the north in the snow. I'm not exactly sure why, but I think maybe the temperature difference in between me and the South and other people up in the north could change the texture or firmness of the tire and maybe people are wearing them out more. I also thought maybe it's because people are slipping in the snow and grind on the tire is doing that. I just checked, and they are a v rating.
And I will walk out until you exactly what they are. But I have a Mazda CX-5 Gran touring limited edition and it comes with a 19-in rims. I can't remember exactly, because I'm sitting at my work desk. But I think they were 245 with 19-in rims. And v speed rating
@@jakeofreshly thanks for the clarification! Will watch your videos carefully. Also liked the MPG detailed observations.
Take care !
@@alexpascu1985 hey man. Is comments like this to keep me doing it. So I appreciate you watching it and I appreciate you reaching out to me. Never thought my videos would reach as many people, so I can't tell you how thankful I am of people like you
I am split between these and Falken AT trail road noise is an issue for me.
What have you heard about the fallen at road noise?
By the way, I have a video on the road noise, by decibel. Shameless plug, but check it out.
I ended up buying and owning the falken trail tires on my mazda cx5 21. The road noise is actually amazing compared to the OEM. Il check your video out regardless.
@@jakeofreshly
Dude you are the king. Are they still going well so far?
Hi Jake, It's a great review on Crossclimate2. I am planning to buy new tires for my Infiniti QX60 and am almost ready to buy this model but after looking at your review, it made me think to buy these tires or not. I live in New England area and I am looking for recommendations for new tires for my car. Can you please suggest a few tires models?
Hey buddy. So I would say trust me, but there are several people in the comments who have recommended dozens of tires in the comments of my "25000 review" video. You can find it in the playlist for these Michelin's on my page.
there are a lot of people who mention other tires, but most ALL of them agree the CC2s are far superior to the tires they changed them for and the tires they have tried. I have had people from Sweden who have driven in -40 in snow drifts to people in lake tahoe in the slush that love these tires. So most of them say the CC2s are the best (and I agree hahahahaha).
I have heard that the Nokian WRG4 SUVs are better, but that is one of the few ones that others recommend over the CC2 ( and who have owned the cc2)
But yea. go check my other videos that seem interesting in this playlist. I think I have 7-6 videos on these tires. the "5 problems with CC2" and the "25,000 mile review" are pretty good if you are looking to evaluate them a little more.
THANKS FOR WATCHING
@@jakeofreshly Thank you!
@@eswar16 You got it brother. Let me know if you have any other questions
What if , just what if your rolling resistance of your new crossclimate 2 is more than your existing summer tyre ? That would say to me that I'd be expecting my fuel costs to rise and I'd take all that into consideration when buying . Now on the other hand like in my case the rolling resistance of the crossclimate 2 is actually better than my summer tyre and quieter so hopefully when i fit them i will benefit from quieter road noise and better fuel economy and combined with the snow and ice handling I'm a lot better off. You shouldnt really expect a all season or winter tyre to be as fuel efficient anyway its just how they are . If mine ends up costing a little more then its worth the trade off for the safety aspect in winter conditions. What if you dont make it to work in your summer tyred car ? You dont get paid when you're off? That there is a days pay .
So bro to bro, my cousin works in a tire shop. And he says these are some heavy ass tires. By far 20lbs heavier than a cooper or something like that. I think the weight messes it up.
I think the very fact that an all season/winter tyre has a much more open tread pattern it is almost expected that this will affect the drag hence slightly less mpg , it's the trade off for having safety in bad conditions which I'm willing to take .
So fun story. I actually did a tread depth gauge review at $85,000 mi. I posted a couple weeks ago. And currently, we have 6.5 mm depth left
Increase PSI a few pounds to compensate?
Dude, really? That got you better mileage? I always follow the inside of the door, because it takkes the weight of the vehicle into place. SO if it says 36 psi, and you do 44. Psi, it will me more rounded and not apply the entire contact patch to the road. That can result in unusual wear down the centerline of the tire.
But I have to know. Did it help the mileage? Bc the mileage is -2 for me
Nice spread sheet work. Speed really does kill mpg. With all the driving around, when do you find time to work?
I ordered a 2022 Rav4 AWD (due any wk now) to replace my 10pmg around town Tundra..lol
I want to get a good set of "all weather" tires for it and don't really want to give up any or very little mpg with the new tires. My choice is down to Cooper Discoverer AT-34s, Nokian WRG4, Toyo Celcius , or the Michelin CC2. I have to deal with some winter snow, so it will be a yr round tire.
You're exactly right. And the funny thing is you can actually look before I bought these tires and it was always so. I would get upper 20s or middle 30s for fuel efficiency all the time in the 70 mph range. But as soon as I jump up to the 80s, it would pretty drastically lose efficiency. So honestly, The tire is just accentuated that. It was a little bit worse, for sure. But I think the tires just made it more noticeable. It's definitely nothing that would stop me from getting another pair
Actually, I have been an accountant and I switched over to sales. And now I'm an engineer but I'm an engineering manager. So I do not drive for work. My work is rather boring honestly. I just drive a lot to and from work as well as drive a lot to see family and friends around the country. So it's really more for fun
And if fuel efficiency is your thing, I do not think these are bad enough to throw them out of the running. But in snow, there's no debate. I test them more in water and floods and things like that. Hurricanes and tropical storms. But my tests in the snow have been absolutely amazing, and I've had people from all over the world talk about how great the snow traction is. If you scroll through the comments, there's a lot of people who have gotten stuck with these tires because they're basically treating your car like a snow plow lol
@@jakeofreshly I understand working from home you get cabin fever and need to hit the road. I used to live/work in Pasadena TX so I know all about floods and driving in deep water. Could not make it to work in a new Camaro. All trks and SUVs after that as the floods aren't going away anytime soon or ever....lol
@@Gary65437 You know it's actually funny. My actual passion is real estate, and I have about eight houses for rent. I know I'm young, but I'm a little dumb too and I wanted to start building some generational wealth.
Well my most recent house I bought was in Houston, and I made sure to buy it in the North part of Houston. In Tomball. AND THE WHOLE REASON WAS BECAUSE OF THE FLOODING AND ALL OF THE PROBLEMS WITH THE RAINWATER DOWN SOUTH LOL.
But I actually drive about 30 miles to work one way and 30 miles back. So that put a lot of miles on there too. But also last year I went down to Mobile Alabama to see my parents probably 15 weekends or so and every single time is a solid 400 mi one way. So I definitely drive them a lot lol
@@Gary65437 But probably the biggest issue is like what you said, cabin fever. We just love to get out and drive places. And I feel like driving to the destination is about half the battle. Once we get to a city, for example Austin, we probably burn 100 mi driving all over Austin and Criss crossing the entire city a day. Not that we spend the whole time in the car, but we just vacation differently
Some people vacation and stay at the destination. Like people who go to luxury resorts and stay at the pool. We like to drive to places and enjoy the city. For example we stayed in a luxury resort in Cancun, and we barely spent any time there because we like to travel and see the whole area
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For a toyota corolla or camry do you think it will hurt the mpg with these?
You know, I wouldn't think so. The only ones I really noticed I have a bad hit are the electric vehicles. If you can deal with one or two miles per gallon, it shouldn't be a big feal
Thanks, that's helpful.
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i dont agree ...
i drive mountainous potholed twisty country lanes and find tyre pressures are absolutely critical and set mine 1,5 psi higher than that recommended for one person occupancy, by the car manufacturer., this is the sweet spot neither too soft or too harsh and steering becomes very precise .....
after a hard journey my tyres are barely warm and the pressure has barely risen...
at this setting i now get 520 miles per tank fill instead of 465 on summer tyres ...............42 litre fill...
my tyres will roughly pay for themselves over their lifetime,
i suggest you pay attention to tyre pressure you set as your type of road use wont highlight how critical it is
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But I must admit. The numbers do not lie. I measure miles per gallon instantaneously, and per fuel tank, and per oil change (which is about 5,000 mi)
All eight oil changes have been significantly lower by a mile or two and every fuel tank is lower. So without a doubt, the numbers don't lie. And is not because of tire pressure
But yeah we are definitely driving totally different conditions. I'm driving 100% interstate driving, and I'm very very aware of tire pressure and other factors. I think what we could both agree is that these are the best tires on the planet. However, indisputably over 40,000 miles these things have taken more gas than they do.
Like I said though, thank you for reaching out and talking to me about it. I bet it just has something to do with the different conditions. Because these tires get fantastic mileage at lower speeds like 60 mph on interstate. They still get 40 something miles per gallon for me
@@jakeofreshly interstate at 75 mph i get an increase to 660 miles out of the same 42 litre fill up....
the crossclimate 2 lasts twice as long , eliminates aqua plaining,, drives in 8 inch of snow ?ice and is good in summer and as for noise, i barely hear my engine never mind tyres as the european honda civic is so well soundproofed.....
@@harryharry8384 well that's one good thing I think we can agree on. I think we both love these tires. Because I really can't say much differently than what you're saying. These things are fantastic. And the traction and unsafe conditions such as water in snow or out of this world.
I wonder how much if a difference it will create on a 2022 Chevrolet Blazer with the 21" wheels. The stock Continental tires are complete junk and there's not much of a choice of tires with the 21" wheel size.
Personally Its either new wheels with tires, cc2 or the Yokohamas for me.
Let me know what you end up getting. I think you end up going with michelin's, because 30 bucks of tire isn't that big of a deal. Especially not for the value you get.
I wouldn't imagine it would be more than a couple miles per gallon. Bear in mind, I have a 2 and 1/2 L 4 cylinder. If you had anything with more torque, it probably wouldn't be a big deal
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So yeah... I ended up with the Michelins. With what the special that discount tire is running, it was hard to pass up the Michelins.
Sorry for chiming in a year ago, but how are they treating you? Are you happy with your purchase?
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When I had the Blazer, it was great. Now I own a 21 Ford MME GT and have Continental DW4S tires on it and love them
@@thegreatempire3882 good to hear. My damn tires won't wear out. Like I said, just did that tread depth review at 85,000 miles. The damn things I've ever happened to life in them. I wish they were out a little bit so I could do another review LOL
Do you compare to a summer or a winter tire?
Is compared to a summer tire. Down here, when you buy a brand new car they only give you summer tires. We don't really have enough winter weather for them to warrant giving out winter tires on the vehicles. I'm comparing it to a Toyo stock tire from the dealership, of which I drove 48,000 mi on in about a year
@@jakeofreshly Okay thanks for the info because I need winter tires for about 4 months a year I wonder if that comes out to less or more than with the cc2 all year round.
@@dabj9546 well that is the cool thing about these tires. They are triple peak snow rated, so I'm pretty sure they will do for you You're around. I know I drive these year around, and I've had them for a little while now. I drove them through the entire winter and I drove them through slush and lake Tahoe and blizzards in North Carolina and a bunch of other bad conditions. And they always worked fantastic.
So I couldn't imagine how buying two sets of tires would be any cheaper than buy one set
⚠️ You over inflate your tyres you shorten the tyres life as they will wear the centre tread out a lot lot faster than the outer plus poorly affect handling.
Totally agree. I had a guy tell me he inflated his to 46… on a CX5…
Well. All Asian, Korean, and Japanese (TOYO and others) are bad tires. Continental, Michelin, and Pirelli are top of the line, Goodyear are okay, Bridgestones are terrible.
I have CrossClimate 2s (All-Weather, not to be confused with All-Season).
My brand new 2023 Toyota Camry XSE 3.5L V6 came with OEM Bridgestone Turanza EL440's which were removed with only 3 miles driven on them per delivery from Factory to Dealership.
I drove ASAP to the nearby Tire and Service Store about a half-mile from the Toyota Dealership and got my CC2 installed.
I've been keeping mileage and fuel fillups and cost, etc. The 2023 Camry XSE V6 window sticker 22 City/ 26 Average/32 Highway. Month after month and with my 6 month/12 month/ and recently 18 month Toyota Care Maintenance Service I keep on telling them/complained about my very poor MPG. My average is 16.99 MPG nowhere close to 26MPG. City is 14MPG and Highway is 25MPG. So where is 22 City /26 average/ and 32 HW???
The Toyota Dealership has told me that must be the Michelin CrossClimate2 tires for the cause of my poor MPG.
They always are at the proper Inflation at 35/36 PSI. My Camry odometer is at 7,310 miles in 18 months of driving. I use the Camry computer from the Instrument Panel displaying Tire Pressure and the Toyota App on my phone. The Fuel Nozzle symbol display on the Instrument Cluster has 16.4 MPG next to it, so when I say getting 16.99 MPG somewhat close.
It is hard to accept that Michelin CC2 is causing a 9 MPG drop. Just "Passing the Buck" blaming something other than the Camry 2GR-FKS V6 engine.
My 2023 Camry XSE V6 drives very well and handles the roads with ease, the Camry with CC2s went through 2 winter seasons as where I live the annual snowfall average is 126 inches. The last several winters have been milder so with climate change appears we are getting about 90 inches of snowfall or below average. I love the Michelin CC2s. But to say they are likely the cause of 9 MPG less than the Camry average is Bogus. Winter Tires or at times other tires can decrease your nominal MPG from 1 to possibly 5, but no way in hell lose 9 MPG.
Do you know I’ve had a lot of people fight me on it. I’ve had some technical people fight me on it, but specifically a bunch of engineers fight me on it talking about how it would either be aerodynamics or changes tire pressure. But at the end of the day, if you get these tires are going to lose some miles per gallon.
Now shockingly, it seems kind of strange that you’re losing nine. But I have heard a lot of of people in my comments over the years talk about losing a lot of mileage, electric vehicles and hybrid vehicles. I’ve had people talk about losing 30% efficiency on electric vehicles. And one thing I know from my nephew that is an tire shop is that he says these things are extremely heavy. When he gets one of these off the truck and has to install it, he always knows he’s going to have a sore back because the damn things are just heavy.
So I’m not surprised at all. Although it seems like a lot 9 miles per gallon. Pretty ridiculous.
2013 taurus awd went from 17.8 to 16.
You know it's kind of funny because it sounds like you track your fuel efficiency like I track mine. I know exactly how much mine is, and I know mine went from 28.7 down to 27 to 27 and 1/2. So you sound like a detailed, technically oriented person lol
Yeah that's what they did for me.
Ouch😔
I’ve been charting it across 17 periods of 5000 miles so far and it’s really really consistent. 1-2 miles lost per gallon. More on EV’s
My mileage in my 21 mazda cx9 dropped from 13l/100km to 19l/100km..big drop sorry Im canadian and dont understand miles.
lol I don’t understand liters. lol. But that is probably about what most people were seeing
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he got tired of it
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