The BIGGEST Reason Obese People CAN'T Lose Weight... | Johann Hari
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There are many people in the Carnivore sphere that is losing so much weight in a healthy way. People who weight more than 700 pounds. Thinking of Lindie, Todd, Michael, Bill etc.
Here is a link for one site that specifically focus on people that have started their weight loss journey above 700 pounds.
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All addiction is about comfort and the need to stop the pain we feel as humans.
Yep
Bingo - so true, so true.
I disagree. If that were true every holocaust survivor would have weighed 300 lbs within a year after their release. Its not an existential crisis its bad habits.
@marzymarrz5172 what a crock. The industrial food complex hadn't developed the same ultra palatable, extremely caloricaly dense foods that make up the majority of readily available foods today. So it would have been a physical impossibility for that to happen in the late 40's.
@@marzymarrz5172 mm, not sure that’s what they meant… this person is saying at the root of addiction is the need for comfort. Not that the need for comfort necessarily leads to addiction.
You have to start thinking differently about food and your lifestyle. It's not a diet - it's a forever life change.
Exactly.
You don’t quit smoking and then tell yourself I am quitting for six months so I can smoke again.
a diet is misused because your diet is what you consume. It more a change of diet, regardless your correct in thinking different, so many view food as pleasure and not fuel. For me exercise changed my view on food, run/jog/walk on a treadmill for 30 mins and look at the amount of calories burned, say 200 calories, is that effort worth a donut or a candy bar?
Exactly, I was at 296 three years ago. I am down to 200lbs of mainly muscle. I changed everything and it was a complete overhaul. My final target is 185 of shredded muscle.
I lost 50 lbs. Need to lose 20 more. It's not about willpower or discipline. It's about eliminating bad habits and picking up good ones. It's a mental exercise to change the way you think. That can be accomplished through repetition of actions and phrases in your mental dialogue.
Started as 300 lbs. Over the years I dropped to 250 ... Then I woke up to me lying to myself. 6 months later 230 and working on getting to the next goal of 200! 😊
What changes did you make
300lbs is my weight now. I got down to 200lb but I've put it back on I'm afraid. We'll done on your weight loss keep it up.
@@jasonalberto5925 hey you did it though and you’ve done it before and you will do it again.
I hear you bud I’ve lost 270 twice and both times I hit 221. I’m now back up to 266.
But I found my Sweet Spot was 235 range. Felt great looked great. I now know when I get bk down there that’s where I will stay .
I wanted to aim for 200 lbs and I haven’t been down at that weight since 2004.👍
Good start! I started at 235 three years ago and now am at 187. The key to my success, a supporting wife and I weigh myself first thing every morning.
Do keto and the weight will fall off very quickly and very easily.
I was sedentary for 6 years after retirement, bought some weights and started exercising 3 times a week, no diet changes at all, lost about 13kg, belt size down to last hole and still loose so I bought a new belt, strength up, feeling good at 69 years old.
I'm retired and lost 100 pounds in 6 months on a Carnivore Diet just Laying in my Recliner without any Exercise 335 to 235 and still going down 6'2"
I have seen a lot of men who lost weight just by exercising. I don't know any women that happened to.
@@kaakrepwhatever LMFAO NOBODY HAS EVER LOST WEIGHT JUST BY EXERCISE
THAT'S 100% BULL SHIT
@@paulhailey2537 If they continued to eat the same food they did before, but used more calories because they were getting more exercise, they would slowly lose weight. It's not unusual for a guy to suddenly start getting a lot of vigorous exercise when he suddenly gets motivated. They may also change their diet to one they perceive as more healthy, without intentionally reducing calories.
@@kaakrepwhatever same. Men have a lot higher metabolism than women, even if they weighed the same.
Don't use the word DIET. It's lifestyle change period. It will take dedication and hard work. Started in Jan and I am doing just fine with IMF. I simply do not eat crap anymore.
The process takes patience, too. When ppl start shedding weight, it can be very exciting and induce a sense of real control over your body. But you're battling hundreds of thousands of years of evolution like what Johann alludes to at around the 4-5 minute mark. A person needs to be patient and reduce gradually, while building more muscle, eating right, especially getting enough protein, etc. Then you won't trigger your body's 'famine alert' bells. And the muscle you're building can help keep your resting metabolism steady. The idea is to think of the process stuck to as the win, not how many pounds are lost. Keep your eyes on the process and pat yourself on the back for your progress in living/eating better. The weight shed will take care of itself.
(Speaking from experience. Finally gave up sugar in hot beverages. Lost the taste for other added sugars in the process, and have been steadily losing without ravenous hunger since.)
The word "diet" just means it's "the food you eat." If you get influenced by a word used to mean what you are putting in your mouth, you've got more problems than what can be solved.
A diet is what you consume, everyday. Always. What you eat regularly is Your diet. As soon as people understand that you always have a diet and ‘going on a diet’ is the wrong way to look at food and their bodies, the sooner people will be healthier.
Well said 👏 I've always had a 'good diet' my whole adult life- I eat good foods, low sugar, I don't overdo complex carbs, no alcohol etc. I feel good, my health is good, I have energy. A friend who has been overweight for as long as I can remember said to me once that my way of eating was her being ON a diet, day in day out. This is where the problem is. She thought eating healthily 90% of the time was considered some type of punishment, an extreme way of eating. We have gone wrong in society when we think sugar breakfast lunch and dinner, most of our food made from corn product, and massive servings of food made in factories is 'normal', and me eating whole foods, fresh, and in smaller portions is the abnormal way to be eating. We need to normalise the 'standard American' diet as not normal at all.
Diet is what you eat...duh
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@@ideaWorld403 I have always cooked my own food from basic ingredients. Yet most of my life I have been overweight. I was never a skinny kid. I grew up in a household where the kids were fat and the adults were always on a diet.
I am one of those people who has lost 60+kgs over 4-5 years and to this day have kept it off even now after 8 years!
I have cracked the code to losing weight for myself and keeping it off! No diet as such but dedication to the cause helped long term as everything needs to be sustainable!!!!!
Love your work.
Have to say, the general information out there does not help and only adds to the confusion to something so simple as eating simple, seasonal and cooking for yourself!!!!
So what worked for you?
In the early 2000's I lost around 90 pounds but after about 10 years it started piling back on
Yes what?
"One of those people" 😀
Well done, but you are one of the very few people.
@@psychologicalprojectionist I'm in the process of writing a book about my journey, it's life changing!
I've lost 150lbs with keto/low carb and walking. This is my 5th year of maintaining that loss. I still walk and watch carbs. Discipline, an active lifestyle, and consistency are key. Most diets will work if you stick with them and excercise.
Most diets will work if you stick with them. Exercise is good for you in general, but it is the calorie reduction from intake reduction that results in lost weight. The issue is that in the long run, diets are not sustainable. Losing the weight is the easy part. After losing a lot of weight on a strict diet, you are probably sufficiently malnourished that you will start to crave food. This is the natural response to surviving a famine.
@kaakrepwhatever Have you lost 150 pounds and kept it off for five years? I have. I eat an average of 2500 calories a day, usually less than 50 carbohydrates, and walk 20-30 miles a week. Furthermore, to say something like this isn't sustainable is ridiculous. I work two jobs and still find time to walk and manage my food intake. Also, anyone eating 2000 calories or more is nowhere near starving or famine as your comment suggests.
@@kaakrepwhateverprotein has a thermogenic effect, fat requires bile to process and excess fat is excreted, this means that on a LCHF diet you can consume more yet still lose weight, this really helps with satiety and psychological issues of "dieting". I tried every diet recommended by doctors, Mediterranean, dash, calorie control, vegetarian, nothing worked long term because I hated the food and constantly felt "hungry". LCHF has been a complete game changer. I can now exercise but I lost the vast majority of my weight without exercising.
Arthritis, hypertension, GERD, prediabetes, all resolved by going low carb.
There's an argument for "whatever works" but clearly the standard guidelines are not working for most people, yet everyone I know that's done low carb has found it much easier to stick to than all these other "calorie restriction" based diets.
If the set point theory really were valid, then we should have always had pervasive obesity problems. Yet, until processed foods laden with sugars, refined sugars, and seed oils became a bulk of our diet, obesity was a rarity - even a rarity among the very rich who could afford an abundance of calories. Just look at old photos of the public prior to the mid 70s or the data concerning obesity rates during that time. This points to the quality of foods subverting our natural appetite, thus inciting us to eat more calories than we would if the food wasn't as highly refined and hyperpalatable.
What largely prevents development of obesity - whole foods and movement - won't solve already developed obesity as a standalone tactics. And since about 40-45% people in developed countries already reached obesity and 70% reached overweight...
@@ondrej1893. Good point.
My family on both sides were overweight in the 40s and 50s. They were so harshly treated and ashamed that they didn't get in front of cameras or go many places. Obesity definitely happened then.
Also then they started spraying the crops.......
Don't neglect the fact a huge proportion of the population were doing physical jobs and not sat at an office desk 40 hours per week. The changing work environment is a huge contributing factor to the degradation of both physical and mental health.
Wut? The obesity epidemic started when food companies started to aggressively market sugar and putting it into everything we eat and drink. We were turned into sugar addicts with that first bowl of Frosted Flakes.
If sugar was the addictive component...box of sugar cubes would be irresistible snack. It's not.
@@ondrej1893The logic doesn't quite work here, for similar reasons as salt. Sensory overload can have a pretty serious impact on perception/pleasure, and will not trigger the same responses as having more balanced things. Individual tolerance levels also play a role.
The first ingredient in infamil is sugar.
*Enfamil
@@ondrej1893. Candy is though for many.
Wow, very powerful. I've recently lost 40% of my weight (without any support from anyone or any medication, just pure will power), working towards shrinking myself in half. Losing those last 10% is quite hard, as I reach plateaus a lot, but I keep going. I still hate sports and gyms and things like that, but I love walking. If I don't do my 10.000 steps a day, something is missing in my life. I honestly enjoy the food I eat now, mainly salads. I had been on diets and struggled with ED all my life since the age of ten, often losing masses of weight, only to gain even more. What has changed and has lead to a complete lifestyle change: 1. Menopause - my life really began with menopause and the hormonal changes that came with it. Before I was unable to control my urges for sweets - this is now controllable with willpower. 2. I have removed all abusive people from my life, both in my private as well as in my professional life. So no need for comfort eating for what other people do to me. I am completely alone, but it seems that's what I need.
Don’t focus on calories, focus on what’s healthy. I adopted this approach 11 months ago and have been losing weight since.
I was given antibiotics I didn't need (long story) and put on 13kg despite making no changes to my diet. Not obese yet, but who the heck knows what can happen when your gut microbiome has been devastated
I always find it strange when people say we're living more stressful lives. Or is it that we've lost a lot of coping skills? Was it really less stressful in the olden days (before the "magical" 1950's) before medical breakthroughs, multiple births, higher infant mortality, The depression, 2 world wars, etc. etc. My grandma lived in the days before disposable tissues and washing machines and had to wash grandpa's handkerchiefs by hand! She said it was really disgusting, lol!
Thank you I have never thought about it like that. That really explains a lot.
I'm sure it was a lot more stressful. My parents have talked to us about how they worried about lack of rain and how disease ruined crops and killed livestock. There were days they went to bed hungry. Watching loved ones suffer because the home remedies weren't working and the doctors were unaffordable and a days travel away. People love to talk about the simplicity of the homestead life by ignoring the daily tasks that started before sunrise and ended well after sunset
@@ezzylopez7286 IT was not that long ago that people, especially women had to do everything manually. I am almost 64 but remember having to wash clothes by hand in Europe and Africa. There were no washing machines, vacuums,dishwashers, dryers, (even stoves when living in Africa, no disposable diapers! Yes women have to wash cloth diapers by hand...imagine how gross that must have felt but did it anyway for their children, only for some of the children to ignore their mothers because of some small issue. People growing up in the USA of the last few generations have no idea about the hard work people had to do through out the day.
Handkerchiefs disgusting? Try nappies/diapers. Now that is disgusting.
@@phillipbampton911 She didn't talk about those! Lol!
I've tried every diet and never lost weight on any except Keto and Fasting, neither of which lasted longer than a couple of months. This month, I tried Carnivore with Keto as my backup if I fall off the wagon. It's great. I've lost 18 lbs in the first month and don't feel as though it's in any way restrictive. I'm just never hungry and rather than thinking I should want to exercise.. I FEEL I NEED TO EXERCISE!
Put yourself in a calorie deficit and you will lose weight. Eat healthy while in that calorie deficit and you will feel pretty good while doing it. Continue to eat healthy, just at maintenance calories, and you will keep it off for as long as you want.
It’s that easy, you just have to want it bad enough. It isn’t about will power,
but want power. You have to want all the benefits of being healthy and lean more than any perceived benefit you think you get from eating junk.
It’s a choice.
The first month is the hardest as you detox off all the sugar and junk. Get past that and it gets a lot easier.
The diet doesnt end when you reach your goal weight. It just changes. You need to eat no more than what maintains your weight. If you want to lose weight and keep it off, you have to watch what you eat for the rest of your life.
That's why diets are inevitably a failure. Because staying on a strict diet for the rest of your life is not a normal way for a human to eat. Constantly monitoring and analyzing your intake while denying yourself calories you are craving is more like an eating disorder.
I agree, and people need to plan for that life long maintenance. Once the goal is reached, it is so easy to slip back into that old lifestyle. All it takes is telling yourself that it’s okay to grab a bag of chips for a snack, or fast food for lunch or dinner. Then you are right back into that old lifestyle, and gaining it all back. I have to consistently eat the same kinds of food everyday in order to maintain. I’m not going to lie and say I never slip back, but when I do I have to really make a conscious effort to correct course and get back on a regular routine.
If the drugs lowered the "set point" wouldn't you expect people to maintain their weight after they stop with the injections? Imho ozempic only forces the body into starvation and that's it. It's a bit like a real famine, once the body can eat again it will return to the "set point"
Perhaps if they maintained their metabolically active muscle mass. Yet they lose that and slow their metabolism. This guest was my least favorite. He seemed like an Ozempic rep selling to a doc
The meds change the equation while you take them. But it also seems that even after stopping many people don't go fully back to the original weight...or they can now use some cheaper old-gen meds to great maintenance effect.
Actually research is showing that people are much more likely to maintain their weight loss after GLP-1 treatments are used.
Semiglutides force your pancreas to crank out insulin. Over time your beta cells will burn out and you’ll be insulin dependent.
@@amylaw3416 yet more drugs. BAD PLAN. These people just need to clean up their act and stop overeating.
This is incredibly informational. I am on ozempic for type II diabetes but before that I’ve struggled my entire reproductive life with PCOS which in most cases also causes insulin resistance. This goes beyond dieting and comfort eating etc. it’s about it being a hormonal and metabolic illness. Each person is an individual with individual healthcare needs. What we need to do is have a great deal more empathy for anyone struggling with visible and invisible health concerns. Stopping our judgement and start / continue having good helpful informational discussions like this one.
Yes, I have PCOS, endo, and adrenal failure. I am only a size 14 and ex athlete however the weight that I gained from meds and insulin resistance I struggle losing. Luckily I carry the weight well. Not a big eater especially with bad food so I don’t gain weight but it’s terribly hard to lose weight. So took ozempic didn’t change a thing remember and lost 20 pounds right away. So clearly it was not what I was eating because I already have a healthy intake and same amount of activity. So clearly ozempic changes something or gives me something I did not have. It’s wrong for them to look at weight always as a personal problem. I promise you I changed nothing.
@@omahabodymagic I understand. I went from skinny to overweight when I developed an autoimmune disease. No change in diet.
PCOS is a symptom of insulin resistance, not the cause of it.
I went to a countryside health retreat about 12 years ago. We were NOT allowed any tech (mobiles, laptops etc were taken off us) and no TVs, newspapers were present or allowed - all we were told to do was walk (if we chose to) in nature; drink as much herbal tea and water as we wanted all day, read books, chat to other guests, eat our ONE healthy meal around 5pm and go to bed at 9pm. Doing this, I lost 9lbs in 5 days!!! Clearly demonstrates how the media, tech, stress, social media and eating when we aren’t actually hungry builds up our weight. Changed my life.
Wow!!! Love this!!
One meal a day? That is why u lost weight! I could not do that nor do I want to.
Were you working? 😅
From my own experience I fully concur with this. I have found that there are weight plateaus. You get to a certain level where weight will fluctuate by 5-10lb but to get thru the new floor is incredibly difficult. As weight rises above the ceiling a new plateau forms. I have been dieting most of my lifetime and constantly since my late 20s, and will probably continue for my lifetime
Recently lost around 25kg over 6/7 months through macro and calorie tracking and regular gym routine. Part of the reason i was able to do it was i got a new job where the gym and health was incentivised by the wider culture and had a local gym with a free membership. There was no secret sauce to doing it, just consistency and having a better understanding of what i was putting into my system
Can attest to this. I have high functioning anxiety, and comfort eating is my way of self soothing.
When I'm cutting weight my mental health is brutal to cope with.
We made huge changes as a family a few years ago when my husband dealt with health issues stemming from obesity. I never liked sweets or fast food, so it was easy for me, but he used food as comfort, especially sweets. I'm not American, so I didn't grow up eating processed foods and desserts were only a thing in my family on special occasions. He grew up in Texas, where everything, everywhere is designed to make you crave fatty, sweet and processed food.
He switched to eating like I am, which is only whole foods, lots of vegetables and grains, meat sparingly, fruits when the sweet taste bites, etc. He also worked hard to make excersize his new stress coping mechanism. 2 years later, he lost 100lbs and has about 20% body fat, which is a wonderful improvement and a healthy weight for a man in his 40s.
I think the whole of Western culture needs to reject processed foods and embrace the low impact, regular exercise I grew up with. I grew up in rural France, BTW, so it's not like we don't love sweets and desserts, but we don't eat processed foods so much.
Talking about comforting foods, that is why losing weight is not only physical but psychological. I don’t care how many drugs you take or surgeries you get, until the reason why is addressed and relearned behavior is implemented sustainable weight loss is not possible. Our comfort from food cannot be replaced with a drug or surgery.
Thank you doctor
"Comfort eating" is just a lame excuse gluttons use to justify their constant overeating.
@@crystallineblue4344 You sound like a lovely person. I hope you let everyone know your thoughts on over eating 😉
Something I noticed said here multiple times but I never hear these people actually touch on is the psychology of the terminology we use. To go "on a diet" is an inherently temporary thing. If you want long term change you have to make long term changes. Instead of going on a diet you change your diet. When someone says they are "on a diet" they are essentially saying "I'm going to do this for a short time until I get the results I want and then I can stop" and this is exactly where yoyo dieting comes from. I cut my calories, lose 20lb, feel better, start eating more and put on 30lb. And then I blame ti diet and "diet culture". But if I instead change my diet (ie change how AND what I am going to eat for the rest of my life) then this can be sustaining. We have to stop lying to ourselves and trying to fool ourselves with buzz words and tricky language and just be blunt and honest. "If I keep eating this it's going to kill me"
Soooo riveting and eye-opening this conversation, reasoning and deduction. Instant save and one I'll remember in my journey of getting my holistic health back. Thank you!
Our lives are NOT more stressful in the first world. Those of us fortunate enough to be in the first world have access to comforts in terms of food abundance, shelter, clean water, and freedom from threats of constant war that were unimagined by our forebearers. Our forebearers lived lives that were brutal and short. We need to keep this in mind.
So true!
Disagree
True but they were surrounded by a small group of people who they knew and trusted and supported each other.
To say we are not stressed bc we have modern conveniences is simply not true. Plus what’s the rate of food or housing security in the US? So I’d say there’s a fair amount of stress in our modern day, first world, richest country on the planet society.
Skeletal remains show that people were healthiest when they were hunter gatherers living in small tribes.
Your guest is complicating things and justifying weight gain. The Bottom line is that we eat a lot of processed food, carbohydrates and sugar. Reduce that and eat lots whole food as nature intended as a lifestyle you'll see the difference
I was wondering if you could agree that for some there are lifelong hormonal factors/chronic illnesses/mental illnesses that are counterproductive to weight maintenance or weight loss?
The weight issue is complicated! And different for each human.
@@kamanama3671for almost all people it is mental, very few have actual metabolic issues to a point that a calorie deficit doesn’t work, that is extremely rare, but if you don’t do anything to address your mental issues, which is a choice, you will never get better.
Studies have shown that Ozempic works as long as you continue to take injections. He is still taking those injections. Most regain weight if they stop. He is not the only one I see in denial about possible side effects and the likely future outcome. The cost of the drug makes it something few people who are not rich can afford.
@@kamanama3671 If you lower your caloric intake when you have a thyroid condition like Hashimotos, you will initially lose a few pounds but after as little as 5 weeks your thyroid may drop to 50% normal levels. You end up worse than when you started because now you are exhausted, feel worse, and gain weight and may take months to restabilize thyroid. Metabolic health is everything.
My grandfather lived to 98 and had no dementia. He was obese.
I have a morbidly obese friend who is 83. She has dementia but it's from medication she is on. She was about 80 when she started taking it, and had no dementia. The doctor who prescribed it said it would have this effect but would prevent any recurrence of cancer.
Now these are anecdotal, and I don't think being obese is good. But it isn’t always a death sentence, or cause dementia.
Yes and micro biome also plays a huge role in mood and mental health
(7:25) I think dieting held to together with willpower, unstainable goals and unrealistic routines has been the main problem. Setting achievable goals in eating, systematically cutting out highly processed foods . Moderate daily exercise routines, 15 to 30 minutes of moderate exercise over 6 days a week. Probably the most important mindset is that you are going to fail plenty of times in pursuing these goals but accepting this as part of the process and getting back on track as many times as it takes to achieve want you wanted.
I lost 60 pounds and felt so lost. I didn't know how to "be" anymore, didn't know what to wear, how to live because eating was such a big part of everything. I knew how to be fat, I didn't know how to be not fat.
The another reason for the increase of suicides after bariatric gastric surgery is because most of our serotonin is made in the gut so when you mess with that people get depressed.
Really interesting points of view.
Re the gastric band thing - I know of 2 people who had it and what they found depressing is the amount of loose skin they are left with if they r not able to access surgery to have it removed - not the loss of comfort eating
It’s interesting how people spend decades getting morbidly obese, destroying their body, and the one thing they all worry about is loose skin.
It's profoundly disturbing that doctors and scientists are pushing this without asking why is obesity increasing when fifty years ago almost no one was fat! It's what people eat and how much people eat!!
Why do people assume it needs to be on a diet. It’s food, healthy food. It’s not a diet, it’s what you eat. You don’t need a diet if you eat well. Why go on a diet for 3 months, then go back to the junk you eat before. Makes no sense. Eat well, that’s it. 😂 Not rocket science.
And exercise is not exercise, it called life. You move and do things. There is no special exercise routine to do. Just get out and walk, run and be active in your daily life.
Dieting and exercise plans are just marketing by companies to sell you shit.
Diet just describes the food and drink you take - it’s the correct word. People should be prefixing it with ‘low carb’ or ‘calorie controlled’ etc to signify a non-everyday diet.
Renaming your diet to lifestyle won't switch off feedback mechanisms of the body. No rocket science.
Exactly! I just call it CLEAN eating and lifestyle. I'm opposed to almost any kind of drug you buy in the store as a remedy ... I treat a cold with lemon water and chicken broth, NOT a decongestant tablet Also, I see my food as preventative medicine.
Exactly, if you learn to enjoy healthy food you won’t be able to stomach junk any more, you would rather go hungry. If you get into the habit of going on a bike ride instead of shopping that’s just your lifestyle, going to the shops would bore you.
You can still eat too much if you eat clean and exercise. A diet also needs to take into account a caloric deficit or eating for maintenance
Brilliant part of the interview - by both parties.
I just had an epiphany. In my 30s, I was hanging out with a group of athletes... so I ran and cycled regularly. Since I was also racing, I ate healthy food that would help weigh loss and muscle gain. But I wasn't feeling Comfort. I thought about where I got that comfort because the eating and workouts did not bring comfort, I was competing. I realized that I replaced food comfort with shopping, because I had a shopping addiction back then. I wouldn't always buy stuff but I went to the mall and big box stores regularly. I wasn't happy unless I bought something. I live a minimalist life now, and I am fatter, but now I am trying to get comfort from growing my own food (which is labor intensive when you don't buy big bags of soil and emoluments). I also still workout but while doing aerobics, weight training, and walking, I try to incorporate a relaxing comfort time into the Workouts. Now my weight is dropping slowly but it's because I replaced processed foods with fresh and minimal sugar.😊 But having a magic pull would be nice for a few months.
My neighbor had the gastric band.
She was so lazy and let everyone do everything for her.
Told the doctor what he wanted to hear.
Got the band a week later went out on the lash and was found dead in her bed the next morning.
She thought it was an instant cure, didn't think she had to put in any effort, ate cream buns etc and had a skin full of vodka while her body probably had the anaesthetic still rolling around her 30+ stone of tissue.
I knew when she went into hospital for the procedure she wouldn't stick to any diet and probably burst the band.
Didn't think about the possibility of alcohol on her stressed body killing her.
Very sad for her. There are often deeper underlying reasons why someone may make less than healthy eating decisions.
you’re absolutely right about that dullness factor. Mounjaro kills your appetite. Suppresses it to a point where you have to make yourself eat and remind yourself to do so. And that was only at 7.5. It was ramping up from five so eating becomes a chore. Ozempic on the other hand, you feel so terrible that your brain has to consciously think of what and how much and how to prepare your food so that you don’t feel bad after eating it. It’s on these drugs. I can no longer freely. Enjoy without thinking of the consequences now that I’m on Ozempic. but before I literally had to just make myself eat. I’m an ex chef. I cook my own meals. I enjoy the hell out of food. Now it’s work.
I think you said you used Ozempic. I would feel dull too. I was obsessed and I am now keto carnivore and lost weight naturally. I finally have control over what I eat and all my meds are gone as well as my feeling of dullness. Finally food does not rule my life and think this is the difference between a drug induced weight loss and a weight loss caused by eating the right healthy whole foods.
Johan's stories on rogan about people's addiction are incredible
So learning alternate comforting methods is key,
Gastric bands aren’t available anymore on nhs are they?
Until a massive connection is made and addressed between your mental health and overeating, obesity will never be cured
No, don't think so.
Exactly, in almost all people it is a mental issue and these surgeries and drugs don’t address it.
I have had so many friends that had Bariatric Surgery and many lost their personality, some became absolutely grumpy, others broke their marriages and families up, some actually reverted to their old weight as they found lollies that dissolved in their stomach and didn't need to be broken up with stomach acids quickly added sugar into their system and the weight returned, but it was the personality changes that were so noticeable and dramatic
People get anxiety and the cortisol goes up and it drives up the appetite 😢. Society needs to change and they need to stop adding sugar to meat and make vegetables cheaper.
food companies are cheap. High fructose corn syrup is what's used, a lot more than sugar and it's WORSE than sugar, too
He had some good points , but whether you try the drug or try a diet doesn't matter. You have to change the way you think and feel about food. If your on the drug are you going to take it for Life ??? How long do you continue to lose muscle if your a woman? I really dont know the answer, but i will work on getting my mind right to change for Life. I wish us all the best on this journey ❤
That is exactly what the doctors are now saying, people will just be on the drug for life.
I was in so much trauma that I was in constant fight or flight mode although it was more like fight or freeze but anyway i had small improvements when I was away from the abusive environment and eating exactly the same foods and portions I was losing weight as my body was reducing cortisol and not telling me to store all my calories as fat. I ended up with a form of cushings syndrome not caused by a pituitary tumour but caused by metabolic hormone imbalances which then went off the rails even when I was away from the stressors. But I was and still am living in those environments and have been for the last 20-25 years since high school and don’t think my body will ever recover from the damage. I ended up with other hormonal issues stemming from it and a severe autoimmune disease leaving me unable to walk for a few years about 12 years ago and then again last year. Now I can walk but barely and with huge permanent damage to my feet. All the while my weight was going up eating the same foods or even eating very little because I couldn’t even move and my cortisol was so high. So yeah I’ve found out the hard way that it’s not calories in vs calories out. It’s hormones and metabolic issues and other things too.
In my opinion, the biggest reasons diets fail is because the very notion of a diet is something that will come to an end. If you then go back to how things were before the diet then you will go back to where you were, it's not rocket science. If you want to lose weight permanently, then you need to make changes to your lifestyle/diet that last forever and this is the first and most important thing that needs to happen. When you are ready to commit to living differently then you can begin. You are not on a diet, you have changed your lifestyle to a better one. Understanding the need to control blood sugar levels and how to do that through learning how different types of food is digested is critical. Ultra processed food, added sugar, high GI carbohydrates have to go. Instead eating the right mix of fat, protein, low GI carbs combined with increased activity and an intermittent fasting period is what works. Nothing to eat after 6pm and breakfast at 8am gives a 14 hour period during the latter part of which the body will burn fat for its energy needs. Around 3 am your body increases this burning to raise your blood sugar to give you energy to get you ready for the day ahead. Who knew it was so easy to lose weight while you sleep!
It's not about conscious knowledge of diet ending, but subconscious drive of the body ("lizard" brain) to return to homeostasis of a fatty body. It wrongly assumes that's the goal, as normally another period of famine would be just around the corner, so the fat would be uselful to survive.
All eating is a diet.
I recon we can comfort eat without overeating. Mindfully chew the food, experience the flavours and textures. I always feel more comforted after doing that, rather than stuffing my face (something I used to do a lot).
Good point. My grandparents would also put their knives and forks* down between mouthfuls (*yes - before it became normal to use a fork like a shovel!). Smaller plates are shown to work, too.
Usually overlooked - there are medications and such that cause weight gain. I gained 40 lbs in one year (at age 39) and have never been able to lose more than 25 lbs of that (which takes a year and a half to do, I've done it 4 times, it comes back in 6 months). If I subtracted the 40 from my current weight I would weigh the same as I did 25 years ago.
I fasted for nearly a month worth of days last year, 30 days over 13 months, and I kept on returning to my prior body weight. I wasn't trying to lose weight either; I was experimenting with the experience, hoping to realize the other benefits. I'm at a healthy body weight already. No one claims that Ozempic doesn't work, but lots of people experience negative side effects, and going back off it is a problem for many. I don't necessarily have a better answer to share. Fasting could work, but it's not easy for most people, and taking a very informed and careful approach would be necessary. Your body won't reset to a lower normal weight without unusual inputs being a cause for that.
When I start feeling hungry outside of a regular meal time window, I drink some water, get up and go for a quick walk, and then reassess. If I’m still hungry, I’ll go eat an apple and peanut butter or a banana. This keeps me from eating just because I’m bored or actually just thirsty.
The real epidemic isn't obesity, it's the lack of attention and affection. Much of our attention is centered around material aspects and loveless social media and there is no lack of food but a lack of connecting with others while eating. I, for one, am far less 'hungry' when l am eating a meal with my family or friends. A real sit down meal is far more satiating than a frantic bite on the go. No drug is as powerful as the presence of a loving soul sharing a meal with me. !!
I never took anything to loose weight (im already on medication for my JIA) and i honestly thought loosing weight will be this amazing thing and i actually went through this wierd faze of hating myself more. Im not sure if its because i was trying to come to grips of being this new version of myself. I finally came through it and felt amazing. I put weight back on due to steroids and currently am on my weightloss journey. And atleast know what to expect. I dont do diets its pointless but i realised sugar triggered my inflammation so thats mostly gone. A perfect excuse haha.
i lost nearly 60 pounds doing high fat low carb keto. kept it off for nearly 6 years, then the shut down happened. never went back to a sad diet ..but gained back 20 pounds. went back on keto in january and can't move a pound. i don't eat a lot, i don't really comfort eat. my (new) doc at both of my visits has wanted to put me on ozempic. i'm very hesitant to use it.
So what's the solution?
We’re eating less protein - specifically less beef! Increase protein and stop addictive processed foods and you’ll lose the fat
How does sugar addiction compare to other addictions?
Well you don't really get drug withdrawal symptoms from sugar...not the nasty ones anyway where you sweat and lose your shit, searching for the drug aggressively...
Is there even a comparison? Sugar gives the same rush of dopamine as hard drugs...at this point everyone struggle with some form of addiction, acknowledging it is what drives the desire to change
It’s sneaky! It a part of alcoholism and other drugs play with mechanisms that sugar affects. For example getting the munchies after marajuana. Dopamine receptors etc are strummed by various drugs for addiction.
Because it’s not as much about “calories in, calories out” as it is what kind of calories you put in your mouth. But doesn’t help that we’ve been generally lied to about the food pyramid and what is healthy for decades now.
Of course that's true. It doesn't change the fact that someone grossly overweight, consuming 5,000+ calories a day, can and will lose weight if they lower their caloric intake.
Are there exceptions? Yes, always. But most people can lose weight by lowering their caloric intake. The ISSUE is that MOST people don't ACCURATELY track calories.
Diets are also fucking horrible for people, because they make people falsely believe that they can cut calories for a few months, lose weight until they're happy, and then they proceed to eat EXACTLY as they did prior to the diet. People need to be doing full on lifestyle changes.
Telling people to do a hundred different things to lose a pound is what causes a lot of people to quit before they even start. It's much easier to say that step one is reducing calories and getting your body used to that fuel intake level, and then feeding your body better fuel, than it is to put people on programs thar are no different than diets that sees them quit before they get started just the same.
Unfortunately in person with stage 2 or 3 obesity, even if they change to optimal diet (putting your conspiratory take on what that is aside), this will not be nearly enough to bring their elevated calorie goal down to normal long term, especially as for every kilogram lost the body drives up hunger by 85-100 kcal according to latest research. It only drives up hunger by half of that on drugs like Ozempic.
Its all about calories in vs calories out. Thats what fat loss comes down to
Its a proven scientific fact!
@@oscarduke7946I'm a 105lb female (mom of 6) .... if I eliminate sugar (carbs) I can literally eat as much as I want as often as I'm hungry. If I introduce sugars (carbs) I need to limit my calories to 1500 per day. I've been tracking my macros for 15+ years and the type of calories DO matter. I include my role as a mom because I have repeatedly gained & lost weight during my 6 pregnancies and you'd never be able to tell I had any kids from my outward appearance. I was a gestational diabetic so low sugar throughout all those years. Sugar is the enemy - not the energy.
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If you eliminate carbs from your diet your automatically lower your calories
Carbs contain calories. Therefore if you eliminate carbs u lower your calories
And if all you are allowed to eat is protein and fat then you will find it very hard to eat too many calories cos those foods are notoriously hard to over eat
For example try overeating some almonds (fat) - very difficult. Try overeating meat - again very difficult
Wereas carbs are easy to overeat. For example eat a bowl of pasta. You can easily go back for more
Plus carbs hold water. The clue is in the name - carboHYDRATE. So if you eliminate carbs then all the water goes with it
The reason you lost weight by eliminating carbs was nothing to do with the carbs . Truth is by 1) eliminating carbs 2) limiting your food intake to just fat and protein you put yourself into a calorie defecit. And a large proportion of the weight u lost was just water weight as opposed to actuall fat
There's 3500 calories in 1lb of fat therefore for you to lose 1lb of fat you must create a 3500 calorie defecit. Theres simply no way of getting round that fact
Its all about energy at the end of the day. Nothing to do with carbs at all
So what is the solution..teach ourselves to consider the salad or lower calorie meal as our comfort food?
No diet! Lost 20kg in 5 months. I only changed what and when I eat. No starving, no deprivation.
Yes, the reality is that food choices are what makes or breaks any effort to loose weight.
Thanks for the helpful information. I'll eat that, then.
Technically, changing what you eat IS a diet.
fun fact: Ozempic has killed my sweet tooth. I’ve had a sweet tooth since I was born. I am 60 this year. And for the last 2 1/2 months haven’t craved sweets. Am I still eating carbs? Yes . Am I enjoying them? No.
I lost 40 lbs on keto diet over about 8 months and kept up a kind of atkins after that for about a year. The thing is the more weight I lost the more I could move and be more active again and since I had missed feeling like I could move easily I took full advantage of that and started moving and biking and gardening and doing things that had me eating less frequently and able to burn off a lot of it when I did occasionally overeat
10:41 here is what I think would be an effective experiment on overeating: the control group is subjected to a series of anxiety creating situations, and then is allowed to eat anything they want. The experimental group is subjected to the same stresses, but they are only allowed to eat protein, fat, and fiber. I'm going to go out on a limb and suppose that the experimental group will not eat as much as the control group.
I could not lose weight not matter how much I exercised. I did IMF and I still could not lose weight. I craved carbs too much. Then I simplified things and just started eating two meals a day. I eat at about 9 and then again at 7 or 8. No snacks. He is the catcher. I can eat anything I want and eat big meals BUT I had to eat lots of healthy food. I could eat fries or ice cream or whatever, but I had to also eat healthy food. I started to lose 1.5 kg a week like clockwork. So easy to do. I now cannot imagine eating three meals a day. I think the key plan is different for everyone. Good luck to all those out there struggling. I hope you find your key to a healthy diet.
Makes sense!!❤
Another thing nobody talks about are underlying health issues, Financial reasons depression side effects of drugs,could not lose weight, when contracted gum disease, early twenties,take care of your teeth!
It took a life time to get the body you have, it takes a long time to undo. The term “go on a diet” creates the impression that it is a temporary change, when what is required is a lifestyle change.
It's the period after dinner. If you don't go to bed early, you stay up watching processed food commercials.
In walks menopause....Buggers everything .
There is definitely a set point. Mine now won't let me go below a much lower number than years ago. I can get within 1 1/2 pounds of a landmark goal and I can't get there. It's crazy. No matter what I do, I'm stuck.
There is a set point and I will trick it and win. I've done it before.
No there's not, you just don't know how to calculate your BMR properly and are likely not tracking your food. Metabolism slows over time but it's still easily trackable
You either increase activity or decrease calories, either way you need a caloric deficit, eat nutrient rich foods and exercise.
People cannot keep the weight off becuase of anxiety. Anxiety switches off the hunger and fullness cues that health people do feel....nobody talks about this. The rest is gaining weight, mainly women as over 35 they usually get Insuline resistance and thyroid problems, but these two are not the same problems. Willpower only works short term vs reduction of anxiety which will keep the weight off.
An ozempic expert!!!!!!!!
Of course there is a choice but that choice is extremely difficult given the advertising propaganda.
The solution to that is to control the advertising and /or balancing it with anti carb advertising similar to anti smoking.
The solution is to take personal responsibility and control yourself, changing your lifestyle and habits for the long-term.
Ultimately... boiling it down... It's still will power though isn't it... Own your emotions don't be led by them... Setpoint just makes it harder. Tv and digital and our modern lives just makes it harder. Still will power.
Hormones > Diet > Exercise. Diet is the starter motor for the first one. Good luck to all.
If you think diet is all about willpower, therein lies the issue.
Will power to eat the right foods. But those darn yummy carbs keep getting in the way.
Will power got me 3 college degrees. Will power is easy if there's measurable progress. With dieting, stalling for MONTHS on end destroy will power. Why keep trying so hard? It's NOT working. These stalls even happen to people on 5 different diet meds who are exercising for an hour plus a day and eating 1200 calories every day. It's not a Will power problem. It's a "THIS ISNT WORKING" problem.
Your body is a temple. Factory food, lots of it, every day, is not good. Us humans managed to eat fine without crappy sugary milled and coloured muck.
It isn’t about will power, but want power. Until you want all the benefits of being healthy and lean more than any perceived benefit you think you get from eating massive amounts of junk, you wont change.
It seems like every episode is about Ozempic.
Not all tacos are shitty food Mr. Matthew Perry look alike. Of course, if you know how to properly make them
I was prescribed Rybelus for my diabetes. I didn't know it helps you lose weight till now. I'm 5ft 2, 136lbs I don't think I need to lose weight. My doctor did not tell me anything about this pill. i am having problems with my pancreas. I am missing enzymes, vitamin deficiency, blood in stool, and colon inflammation. Pancreatic exocrine insufficiency, tissue transglutaminase iga deficiency
It's also worth exploring what constitutes dieting in these studies. So often these diets are way too extreme /restrictive for most people. The vast majority of people cannot and should not be dieting below 2000 calories and expecting that it could be sustainable.
Lots of women would get fat with 2000 calories . The woman of average height needs at most 1800 . I'm old and eat about 1500 calories a day , I'm in very good health , zero medication, I walk 30 minutes a day . When I was younger I ate a little more but nothing like 2000 calories .
It's very sustainable, I've been consuming under 2000 calories for about 8 months and am down almost 100 pounds in that time. It's about making better choices. A thing I love to eat is chicken wraps. The ones I used to make myself were around 400 calories each, but now the ones I make are half of that because I use low carb tortillas, low fat cheese and ranch, and grilled chicken. Same thing with tacos, I switched to lean beef. I still eat the things I like just healthier and lower calorie versions. And I eat way less, usually one meal a day, and if I do snack it's popcorn or if I want something sweet I'll eat some strawberries
I'm post 50, and was just into the obese range. I had already cut out chocolate, candy, cakes, biscuits, deep fried, food takeaways, ice cream, soft drinks, all the food that they say you shouldn't eat and I lost ZERO. Then I changed not what I ate but how I ate. I reduced the amount I ate. I cut my portion size, and learned to eat slower. I cut out coffee and only drink water. I also walk my small dog every day usually about 20 mins a day but sometimes more. The weight started to slowly drop weight. I have now lost 2 full clothes sizes and am no longer in the obesity range. It is now just how I eat. I don't crave food, and if anything I have an anti reaction to foods.
You get what you repeat! Quote from “Atomic Habits”
There was always stress in life. The chance of living more than 60 years was low. What has changed is the quantity of non natural food in our diets, our contrived stressful living environment and poor social interaction quality.
I may be one of the few around here that sees in this guy a valid point he is making.
We recommend diet and exercise unrelenteslly to these people but it's just not working, as he said, we have tried that for 40 years.
On the other hand, he is wrong about something, I think he is wrong in thinking that the main problem is a weight set by biology, I think this is true at some level, maybe 30-40% percent, and that may be different from individual to individual. But this kind of falls apart if you think about who is obese.
You look at the countries with most processed foods and there you have it. Of course that in America you have like 40% of the population obese, this is extreme compares to most other countries.
Diet is way too complex and that's why is hell to follow. You cannot overestimate the importance of food, socially, psychologically...changing what, how and when to eat is so much more than it sounds.
In extreme situations like this, with an epidemic of obesity I don't think a new drug out of the ordinary.
The greatest restriction is your mindset.
Also to add I think lifestyle has made a huge impact way more than set point theory.
Calories in vs calories out is irrefutable
Stress is higher as Steven quite rightly said impacts relationship with food and physiology
Calories are more abundant than ever
Our activity has dropped hugely
So calories are still key but 2024 life is more of an uphill battle than any point in history.
I’m not anti ozempic but if we go for this without considering lifestyle strategies we are missing out on a huge impact for health
I was 235 pounds. I’m a PCOS and thyroid issue sufferer. I stayed at 235 for many years. That was my set point. My silly doctor decided to put me on a weight loss drug. It was a appetite suppressant. At night when it would wear off at 8 o’clock I was famished and ate everything in the world, my brain was telling me to eat eat eat. And I gained 30 pounds. My setpoint then became 255 pounds. I haven’t been able to get back to 235 without the use of weight loss injections. setpoint is a very very real thing. We all have it. That’s where our bodies want to be when we start with it. It’s usually a bad outcome more than good.
I found dr Jamnadas whos a cardiologist on utube and his video " the fat lies"ive lost 40 lbs 2 years ago and in the process of getting the other 25 off.i haven't been ths thin since the 80s.
Exactly.
What is 3 stone?
21 kg
I hired a 45 year old woman recently to do cleaning work for me. She brought her breakfast with her; a litre of root beer and a container of CoolWhip.
I agree about bariatric surgery. Two guys I knew seemed to just stop smiling after that surgery.
Because they are being forced against their will to stop their drug. You have to genuinely want to be healthy and lean to be happy about it.
The fact that there is a large failure rate to diets, in the long term, doesn't mean diets don't work. It just means diets are difficult to adhere to, and those who are able to adhere to them in the long run have much to be proud of. We shouldn't just concede and then rely on a pharmaceutical savior because something is difficult. It would be like saying that most people who try to get into elite medical schools and law schools fail, so don't bother studying hard, and just cheat. If the dubious history of the pharmaceutical industry is any guide, this pharmaceutical savior is more than likely a demon in disguise with dangerous side effects - side effects that are not fully going to be realized until years later.
It took me 10 years to gain 70 pounds.. then 10 years to lose it.. at every level I had to change when and what i ate. Then I found out I didn’t have to eat all day to be healthy.. and I steadily lost about 2-3 pounds a month until I hit 160 and it weirdly just leveled off and I’ve been there for years.. OMAD levels me out at 155.. the worse I ever feel now is the 3-4 hours after I eat..
so it’s the last thing I do..
Homeostasis is both the best thing and the worst thing. People worry about the side effects of weight lot medication, but the dangers of morbid obesity as we get older, are huge. Yes, I'm on Mounjaro.