@@rowkingsbury945 because of the wording on the card, "You control the opponent" it means you can do anything the opponent can do while they are searching which includes looking at their hand. Also if played in legacy, you can look at their sideboard
7:25 You can't Flash in Opposition Agent during the resolution of Collective Voyage. You can still get huge value out of it, but you have to pay all of the mana into it yourself to pull off that combo.
Keeper of the Accord is pretty dope. Not powerful in the traditional sense but against a green deck you basically rampant growth at least once a turn cycle
@@VinceTheCoyote Keeper of the Accord is garbage catchup ramp that dies before you get anything. WOTC hates White, just accept it. Even the new Mangara did nothing.
@@fireicelightarrows I mean you’re wrong but regardless you need to chill lol. If you wanna talk about garbage, the hot take you have on new Mangara is pretty garbage. An actual hot take would’ve been calling the new seraphic greatsword garbage
Black has always been able to do a bit of everything at a cost so this isn't out of the ordinary. It may be better than aven but white is still the king of hate bears
@@X111ESILENTX111 there’s no cost here. You don’t have to pay life to play their cards. I think the worst thing about this card is how badly it shames white.
@@jasonholmes5714 Who cares about a card being better than another one? That's going to happen all the time. There's plenty of things White does better than Black, and white is one of the better support colors in the game. People whining about white not having a good color identity only play mono color and you know what? That's the cost you get for having streamlined mana bases and a cohesive strategy. Checks and balances to every thing.
Unpopular opinion: anti-tutor is exactly what the competitive scene needs more of. I know there's some already, but I definitely don't mind seeing even more. Tutors and 2 Mana Mana Rocks have sped up the format to ungodly speeds, so anything that disrupts wincons from literally just being fetched from your deck is welcome at my table
Are you familiar at all with what actual competitive EDH is like? cEDH doesn't need less tutoring. Tutoring in general is fine. It needs less Demonic Consultation -> Thoracle. UBx dominates the meta because of it. No other wincon is as compact or easy to pull off at the moment, not even close. Opposition Agent just makes it easier for someone running Consult Thoracle to prevent their opponents from searching for ways to stop them.
There's already anti-tutor tech like Leonin Arbiter and Aven Mindcensor which are actually reasonable. This is just a better version of Mindcensor colorshifted to a competitive color. On top of that, this messes with lands and breaks the social contract, if you have fetches. In legacy, if you turbo this out Turn 1 in BW DnT, you can stop the opponent from doing anything and steal only the stuff out of their deck that you want. This will be banned if it's as powerful as I think. It not being banned is an impossibility, because if it isn't I'm unironically quitting magic. Never said that before, so you know I'm serious.
@@dyciefisk2535 I mean mindcensor dies to shock, this this is 4 toughness and I don't know anyone who plays Lava Coil in his/her deck.... I suppose it's going to push people into decks and playstyles with more big mana/big draw spells but then you run into Notion Thief cuz why not I guess? I'm hoping they print some decent white flying hate birds... my Isperia "you are not allowed to have play or have fun" deck needs some more and I don't wanna resort to being the guy who plays Archon of Emeria + Teferi Time Raveler... cuz that's a bridge too far imho.
If I am correct: "You may play those cards for as long as they remain exiled [...]", it doesn't matter if you lose the Agent, you can still play them right? It isn't written "[...] as long as Opposition Agent is in play."
A normal Magic player:"Oh no! All my fetchlands and tutors are ruined!!" Me who can't afford fetchlands and rarely runs tutors:"Nice bad ambush viper you got there."
Chiky Scares You FLASH is the reason why. Generally players don't hold open removal or counter spells when tutoring. People don't counter the tutor often due to the scary thing being what is TUTORED which they can counter that. For 3 mana in mono black you gain a counter spell to a tutor + remove the best card they have available. If this creature resolves and the tutor resolves removing it only HELPS the next tutor. The text gives you an emblem for what you exiled and is no longer under this card.
@@xChikyx LMAO. A lot of things die to any removal. It's not a reason to underestimate them. So you don't play anything without hexproof, shroud or indestructible because "it dies to any removal"? This card is BONKERS good.
@@orsettomorbido It’s not that much better than Mindcensor in EDH. It’s good, but not worth freaking out about. It’ll likely be a bigger issue in Legacy and Vintage.
@@lozdbzmario What? You realize, that every land ramp spell and fetch land any opponent plays is automatically yours, for starters? What's "not missing land drops" in this?
@@qwormuli77 he's saying it can't ramp you, which it can't. It (hypothetically) helps you hit land drops, although after the first use, no one will play into it. And it shuts down opponents ability to land ramp. But it doesn't actually ramp you ahead, just slows everyone else down Which is why is should have been white
Combos disgustingly with Ghost Quarter/Field of Ruin and Crucible of Worlds/Ancient Greenwarden/Ramunap Excavator. Throw in Azusa, Lost but Seeking, Summer Bloom, or Exploration to accelerate your land destruction. Synergizes very well with Lord Windgrace as your Commander since he can get lands into and out of your graveyard with ease, and because he gives you access to red for even more land destruction shenanigans.
@@highclassgoblin - It will get flashed in, grab some value, get removed and life moves on. That is, if it even resolves in cEDH. This is not broken. It will hardly see play 9 months from now or less.
@@PaulGaither wtf are you smoking this is a hate bear that gran u value. u know hate bear the thing thay edh already run a ton of. This card is stupid good with just the first half, fizzle put tutor, pod ,fetchs is no jk, plus it cheap and flash
@@huyvuminh1048 - You sound like a broken record of every time a new hype card comes out. Do you really want to get into the weeds of this? I know that it is not 100% comparable to Aven Mindcensor. However, they are quite similar. Both have flash with anti-tutor hate at 3cmc with only a single colored pip. I know that Mindcensor has 1 toughness and dies to anything while this has 4 and takes more work to remove and can even block things without fear of trading. However, outside of Tragic Slip for -1/-1, the normal removal package for Mindcensor (and the other hate bears) is the same removal that kills this. Aven Mindcensor sees 9% play in Commander. It is very small and niche. Do you have the courage to predict how much play this will see nine months from now? A year? I bet sub 9%. I bet the ceiling is 5%. Next, you mentioned hate bears. Do YOU realize what color hate bear decks are? Mono white - 224 Selesnya - 153 Azorius - 84 Bant - 53 Abzan and Orzhov get buried. Black is not really a hate bear deck or color. Sure, there are some, but there will NOT be some.massive meta shift. This is not a card that will suddenly make Hate Bears some format warping meta deck. A niche deck got a niche card that helps it do its thing. So, I will ask you wtf YOU are smoking to think this will be anything but some niche tech within nine months, especially once the "new" hot hype wears off and it has to stand on its own.
I dont think it will, it kinda slows down cedh and makes you less likely to play tutors, unless a card brings down cedh to a complete crawl it wont be banned since its already very very fast
@@seandouglass9824 CEDH also has enough ways to deal with it that I dont see it actually becoming a problem. And for normal EDH it just doesnt seem to do enough tbh, especially with how fetches are generally kinda rare in non 5 or 4 color decks and tutors are pricey
Banning this card is a bad move. You maybe steal 1 tutor ( you never tutor for the win without protection) and after that is obvious. For sure a staple but not ban worthy
@@aidanquiett668 true, though I would like to see someone play this with that card that lets you and an opponent tutor for one black or that artifact where you tutor and hand it to someone and they can tutor also if they want
Big thing you didn’t mention is you can see the player’s whole deck when searching, and as the rules currently are, the player’s hands, as current rules state that when you control a player you can see anything hidden that he has access to sans sideboards which changed in 2016. It’s incredibly strong.
@@bejammin2000 that would not be correct, just like how you can’t respond to a coin flip card after the flip once a card is in the middle of resolving, you can’t touch it or respond to it
@@bejammin2000 No, you can't do anything during a spell's resolution. You can flash it out in response to collective voyage, but before people pay mana. or you can flash it out after they already have their lands
Yeah, but still... if you have the Opposition Agent in play, and then play Collective Voyage paying, let's say, 3 more mana, then you get 3 lands straight to your battlefield and 9 lands exiled from your opponents and can play them later, for 4 total mana. Still pretty good!
Field of ruin seems like a sweet interaction. I think without that last section of text I would like this card. I do prefer their to be cards to punish stronger abilities like tutoring and land ramp. Someone stealing the cards though probably makes it feel a lot worse.
Biggest issue to me is how it takes a normally white affect, limiting tutors, and puts it in black, the color primarily about tutoring. So now, the color all about tutoring has a way to make sure they are thr ONLY player able to tutor. More than that, with flash it also guarantees that you will steal one player's tutor for yourself. Just annoys me that someone saw Aven Mindscensor and said "not nearly good enough. Let's make a better one and give it to black"
What you are describing with Collective Voyage doesn't work. Once the spell starts resolving you can no longer flash the agent in. And if you flash it in before it resolves, or just have it sitting on the battlefield, nobody is going to pitch in mana. The card is still insane though, as it is one of only 8 search effects that force your opponents to search - even at X=1 you get a rampant growth and one basic from each player into exile for later use.
2:53 This card literally hard counters me. It needs to be banned. As of this posting, my lowest TCGPlayer market price is $3.18 for my Commander 2014 printing. I was cheaper a few hours ago. Please reprint me until I'm a budget card again!
To be honest, WotC has already broken Commander with Ikoria. The main offender is the cycle of spells than can be cast for free with basically no downside. That, combined with the instaban of lutri, the spellchaser and the companion mechanic overhaul. I have been slowly selling my expensive EDH staples to free up budget. So far, thanks to this channel, i have build more decks than ever before. And, because the powerlevel has dropped a bit, the games have actually been fun. Thanks Mitch!
@@qua-z5357 The Rules Committee needs to start banning cards from commander sets, if not straight banning these sets. This is just going to continue in the future.
@@danielcassell4527 I mean stuff like this yes, I mean I Kno they're trying to put this more towards the cedh whales which is understandable but at the same they need to know the difference between overpowered and game breaking. Overpowered is ok because it still takes time and can be stopped. For example I have a zur doomsday oracle cedh deck and yes it's overpowered but the combos won't necessarily go off and u have to plan around it. But decks like this and good essentially say Mana rocks u win because it's game breaking which shouldn't be allowed
Vinecio Gentile to me this interaction feels a lot like winning with Felidar sovereign, it might be cool to win like this once or twice, but it gets boring pretty fast. And Agent+Maralen is A LOT easier to pull off than Felidar. But hey, Maralen's price already spiked, so...boring games are coming
this card is so dumb. It breaks everything. And fucking flash + Static?!? not just an ETB trigger or something. This is complete aids. Right up there with Oko, The Broko
my first impression when I saw this was "dang that's busted" but then again, so is searching a 90+ card library for a combo piece. If it makes it multiple turn cycles you need to play more interaction
Searching a 90 plus card library for a combo piece is fair in a format where you need to find a single card in a stack of 90 plus cards. Not to mention most decks only run a max of 6-7 tutors.
My decks run 5-8 pieces of interaction. My friend's deck runs 13 pieces. Our 3rd friend routinely gets consecrated sphynx or other nasties to stick for 4+ turns. Unless you're saying 15 cards minimum for interaction then this idea is so oversimplified its wrong. Secondly, if i don't draw interaction but did draw a tutor....oh wait. In essence, this card forces people to top deck an answer while building its own board state. As if black weren't strong enough already. This card is very powerful, but honestly I'm more annoyed that WOTC is just amplifying the imbalance of power between the colors.
@@mleet3125 I'd argue you need 10 pieces of interaction minimum via kill spells, board wipes, counterspells, etc. Bonus if you get the effect on the body of a creature or artifact. And its no simplification to say you need to pack interaction. How else do you plan to deal with threats? hopefully outrace the opponent every time? You wont be able to deal with every type of threat sure, but any halfway decent removal spell kills this thing. Even bouncing it works because then the black player has to hold up mana to recast it with no surprise And if you can't tutor? That's why you have draw spells too
do you remember that time when EDH was about begin creativie in making niche cards printed in regular sets work? Surely that was not as much fun and excitement as getting the new staples and auto-include for the colour(s) that get printed any new set!
Sure, they'll kill the only healthy format left... But think of all the extra cardboard they'll move compared to printing a set that *isn't* full of format-destroying cards!
If you have Maralen and Opposition Agent on the board at the same time, you can tap out all of your opponents' lands on their Draw Step. Look at Planglacial Wurms rulings: tapping mana while searching a library can be done and since you are controlling the player while they are searching, you can just tap them out every single turn. Have fun playing alone.
Collective voyage payments are made as the spell resolves, so you can’t cast this after payments are made but before the search is made because you don’t priority in the middle of a spells ability.
This card is getting a lot of hate, but I really like this design space that's being explored through this card. I wouldnt mind seeing more cards that play around with library shenanigans, but perhaps move it more towards colors that need a buff such as red or white.
Just to clear up a rules issue: Collective voyage pays the mana as part of the spell's effect. You can flash in the agent in the middle of the effect. You can still do it before it resolves, so only you get the benefit.
I don't get why everyone is calling this card broken. Effectively turning off ramp and (powerful) tutor effects just makes everyone play fair, more or less.
@@jinxed7915 It doesnt turn them off it steals them. Your friend plays his third land, its a fetch land. They crack, you respond and flash this in. You now choose what they search for and exile it. On your turn you now can play the land. And your friend is stuck on 2 lands. And it isnt symmetrical. Whoever has it can tutor to their hearts content.
@@C00kiesAplenty semantics. You're right, you can flash it in as a surprise... Once. Then it just effectively turns everything off because then there is no reason to cast those spells/activate those abilities. And yes, Opposition's owner can still tutor which usually enables more broken combos, but really that is the fault of the rest of that deck. On its own, this card just turns off the things players love to bitch about, like land ramp and tutoring up powerful cards for quick and oppressive combos
With a dark ritual you can snipe the first player to use land ramp and then “shut down” land ramp going forward. Turn one cheese, excellent for dimir stax and such
I think the card is actually pretty healthy for higher level EDH. It helps stopping the race for tutoring wincon. And it's counterable, I mean, it's just a creature.
The problem is it has flash. As soon as someone tutors, this gets flashed in and you lose your wincon at flash speed from your deck. That isn't healthy for the format at all.
I think one can't flash agent after paying for collectice voyage. The paying part is part of the resolution and the spell needs to resolve before priority is given to next player. Sorry if I'm mistaken.
It could have stayed a fun gimmicky card if it only allowed you to control their searches... You could just force them to get the wrong basic, or transfigure/transmute targets at the right time. But allowing you to just play that card as a search punish? Way, way too much.
Why do people say it'll see CEDH play? That's the reaction on the RC Discord too. This card SHOULD go in EVERY black deck (budget permitting) the same way that Dockside Extortionist goes in EVERY red deck and Smothering Tithe goes in EVERY white deck. There is no scenario in which this card shouldn't go in a deck. Shivam used creature-type to say it doesn't go in his zombie or ninja decks...but from a strict usability litmus test, this card goes in every black deck of every power level.
Anyone who thinks this won't see cEDH play doesn't understand cEDH on the most basic level...so yeah I totally see why Sivam and a good chunk of the RC wouldn't understand it.
@@muffinoffun1843 Sorry, but I feel you may have misinterpreted my point. People are dismissing it as a card that'll mostly ONLY see CEDH play. Think like 'Flash.' When it was legal you could say something like 'it sees CEDH play, but that's it.' They seem to be dismissive of banning this card because it'd ONLY see play in CEDH and not warp casual play. I disagree, and feel that this card can go in any black deck at any power level and be a pain in the ass.
For the same reasson you will not see Mana Crypt too often in non-cEDH decks. It is simply too powerful to allow for a fun casual 7ish power lvl of EDH.
I think the main argument behind the mana crypt is likely it's price. If it was reprinted every year in decks like Sol Ring, it wouldn't be such a big deal.
I like these pushed hard counters to what I feel like many playgroups take for granted (unopposed ramp/sanctity of lands) while also spanking the power of tutors beyond mill and counter spells. What isn't mentioned is how this is an indirect buff for spells that dig vs search, another nuance added to commander deck building decisions.
This card just ruins fun. Shut down search like Aven Mindsensor, cool, but being able to have access to people's decks is just icing on the toxic cake.
@@pokeliciousnchill2932 I guess it could be toxic, but that seems like its a matter of who runs it. I can see it being a strong political card, but also a must kill card
I don’t think collective voyage would work that way because once the spell starts to resolve nothing can interact with it how I u understand the rules so before people pay into voyage opposition agent would have to be on the field before the spell resolves
Hrmm, how fast can I get this out with Maralen as my commander? Also, dig the Maralen buyouts! It jumped from $3 to $40 awful quick. Maralen and this thing are as abrasive as Leovold. Sure, neither have shroud or indestructible, but if you don't have removal in hand when it hits, you never will. Turning off Farseek, Cultivate, and Bauble was also not in demand by anyone. Not sure if this gets banned or Maralen does. If Flash Hulk had to leave the meta, if Leovold had to leave the meta, if Braids, Cabal Minion had to leave the meta, Maralen/Opposition Agent has to leave the meta.
So many things you are just extremely wrong on first you’re forgetting maralen is a terrible commander on her own. Second Leovold and braids got banned because they are oppressive creatures that you can have in your command zone. Flash got banned because it was the only deck in cedh this card will not be the only deck it will just be another notion thief aven mindsensor card
This is only broken of people are play powerful decks eg tutors, fetchlands etc. Yeah it effects ramp but imo that's a good thing since it nerfs green. And colours like white and black can ramp via artifacts or enchantments. I think it'll be healthy and curb combo and I have answers for anything with tutors decks
I do which it were white or maybe orzhov because this is just so much better than the option white has for this similar thing, plus it could be a cool way to give white more card advantage.
This card would only affect 1/3 of my decks. The other 2/3 just draws a lot of cards to the point this card wont be effectove against or just beats the daylight out of it and the opponent.
Agreed. Great against decks that use tutoring/fetches/deck manipulation as part of their strategy, not so great against a horde of goblins, dinosaurs, angry trees, snakes, etc. That being said decks that autoinclude this are probably already up to no good and have answers in plenty for straight up aggro/card advantage.
I could be wrong but I think with collective voyage you don't pay Mana until it resolves so you would have to flash in the agent before anyone pays Mana but if you have enough to put in yourself you could still run people out of basics
This card is not busted at all. why would you not want to slow down fast land ramp or expensive tutors? This card is amazing! Just pack removal if you don't like it, it's not that difficult to interact with.
FYI the join forces mechanic doesn’t work that way. When you play a join forces card you play the extra mana when the spell is resolving kinda like the the vote cards from conspiracy. You don’t know how much people are going to pay until the card is resolving.
Hold it. If you have Opposition Agent and Aven Mindsensor on the battlefield, you're screwing yourself over because you can control their searches, but because of Aven Mindsensor, you can only touch their top 4.
I understand that this channel is about budget decks, but god I can't wait for this in my high powered tables. I play Vannifar, and even I understand tutoring is the most powerful effect in EDH, and having more ways to turn it off is good. The only thing I wish is that it was white, not black
Honestly with this effect it should really be Dimir, flavor-wise... Plus being 1UB would at least stop it from being a turn 2 play if the player started Sol Ring/Mana Crypt.
@@lorekeeper685 Actually you’re totally right. My mind totally glazed over Dark Ritual because I’m not a big player... But yeah, technically this could be a turn one drop for someone opening it + black mana source + Dark Ritual. Which are things I think most people would run in a black deck. (jussayin all the more reason to include blue in the casting cost...)
You can play it as early as turn one with dark ritual and when you are mid game you can give your opponents the sense of safety with ritual effects just to still flash it in.
Love this kind of cards. It's the first card I see this year that is going to be a black staple instead of other cards on the previous standard sets that in it's mayority were green staples.
This card is an amazing equalizer. Green decks are terrorizing the format more and more (the Chulane effect), and decks that are basically tutor-combo-suites are also quite oppressive: this card deals with both. It's an amazingly fair card IMHO.
"After careful study and consultation with WotC, the Rules Committee have decided that any new bannings would be counter-productive at this time." You all know it'll be something like that. Commander is THE most popular format in the game, and WotC seems determined to wreck it. The RC seems to be fine with WotC's actions.
Jfc. They're shameless. This will be good in vintage and legacy. Gonna be $$$, wotc moves product and commander players have to pay the bill. Crappy. Edit: people always say "this'll be good in X format" which they don't play. I play a ton of legacy and it could be banned out, its that good in a format where fetchlands are most of the lands and many decks rely in tutors to win especially storm which is a big portion of meta. It may actually be good for the format bc those mana bases slow tournaments but either way, $$$. Heck I've been playing DnT with the white bird version and its wayyy worse.
I'm honestly kinda happy for it. There aren't many effects short of MLD to hamper turbo ramp, punishes people for greedy manabases and punishes people tuning their deck for hyper-consistency. Maybe not quite as powerful, but I would love to see 7-10 of these effects in a few colours
This card is fine. With the exception of the Maralen combo it's basically three mana to steal someone's tutor and lock opponents out of tutoring until someone can get rid of it. At best it's a hard stop to combo decks trying to go off and at worst it just slows the game down. Doesn't seem all that broken to me.
We will need clarification of timing rules for this. Like, players get priority after you cast something like collective voyage but before the decisions happen. I don't think you get priority after people make the choice but before the searching has happened. I believe it should be... play collective voyage, everyone gets priority to respond, once everyone has passed, then the effects of the spell occur with no priority happening until all the searching is done and the lands are on the battlefield.
This should be banned. I think this is clearly too powerful effect for commander. Its stops players from doing basic functions of the game. No I don't think the format needs time to adjust.
Basic functions is drawing and playing lands. Tutoring isn't at all that crucial. Its especially broken if you think consistent turn 2's in 99 singleton is okay. I have a 4.5k yidris deck that I don't mind trimming fetches and tutors for more cantrips and snow/basics and rainbow lands or unfetchable lands in order to promote more interactive game play. But also interaction itself is also a good answer like including more counterspells or kill spells like trophy.
spotted the triggered one that just wants to play fetches and expensive tutors.... how about you.....adapt and play around it. save your single target removal ;)
This makes me want to do a Black/ Green deck including this and the Ob Nixilis that punishes opponents whenever they search their library with life damage as well, and pair with stuff like Fertilid, which lets me make target player search their library for a land. Returb Fertilid from graveyard after its died, rinse and repeat
Citing rule 616.1: "If two or more replacement and/or prevention effects are attempting to modify the way an event affects an object or player ... the affected player chooses one to apply ..." meaning that whoever is trying to search their library picks which (single) opponent gets to search for them.
imagine considering a 3cmc creature without protection as "broken" are you kidding me? calm down, yall just complain because your moneyplays can be dealt with now and you actually have to adapt your deck...eventually. this card evens the playfield against tryhard and combos (or stormdecks like i have one). do i get triggered when you cast it in response to my kodamas reach? certainly yes. but i will adapt for it and run removal in my deck (as every deck should).
Collective voyage doesn’t work how you think it does. Each player paying mana is part of the spell resolving. Before the spell resolves you have to cast agent, therefore your opponents will know what you’re doing and not pay any mana into it
Depends. If you know your opponents' decks and they have what you need sure. If you don't know your opponents' then it's usually better to target yourself.
@@tonysmith9905, when I pull it off, I can guarantee I will target two of my opponents. I will gladly take the couple of minutes to search their deck for them to take out their biggest threat, combo piece, or whatever will help me the most. Its literally a two-for-one (black mana).
It will be a strong contender in legacy, definitely giving black fair strategies a powerful weapon to hate on someone's parade. Being a 3 drop will keep it from being overbearing, however.
I like this card a lot. There are so many tutors that makes decks WAY more consistent to find their combo pieces. This will make people think before just insta-tutoring.
the collective voyage doesn't work like you think, you have to flash the opposition agent before they put mana onto it, but, if you put opposition agent, then collective voyage x=3, you are still getting 3 lands and 9 on exile, voyage is not a may
Gogo gadget whatever the mass Path to Exile was. I don't think the Voyage works. You don't pay the mana until it resolves at which point it's too late to cast the agent. Still could flash it in EOT and put a bunch of mana into it yourself though.
I believe Collective Voyage would not work with this. Because at the time where people started paying manager, it started resolving and then it would resolve completely before anybody gets priority. Nonetheless: Play a 'group ramp' spell (which are typically cheaper because they benefit everyone) and have played or flash in the opposition agent and only you benefit (and even get lands 'to your hand' extra).
I don't know if this has already been answered but what happens if two players both have an opposition agent out and the third person tutors who controls the player
They printed a card specifically to counter the format warping power of Bauble. WOTC has gone too far this time
Who knows maybe it'll cause the price to crash back down to budget price rating. :D
It is a race to Opposition Agent now
Beware the power of the Bauble!
mitch: bauble is getting too expensive
wizards: we gotchu
This man can’t go one video without reading the text of Wayfarer’s Bauble. And I am here for it.
"Sphinx of the Second Sun...YOU CAN UNTAP THE LAND YOU GET WITH THE BAUBLE."
The fact that it also lets you look at your opponent’s hands while you control them is insane
Uhoh.... I missed that part.
Did you mean to say library??
@@rowkingsbury945 Nope. While you’re searching through your opponents library you control them, and can view their hand because of it.
@@rowkingsbury945 because of the wording on the card, "You control the opponent" it means you can do anything the opponent can do while they are searching which includes looking at their hand. Also if played in legacy, you can look at their sideboard
@@odysseuslost - That rule changed a while ago. You can no longer look at an opponent's sideboard while controlling them.
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You can't Flash in Opposition Agent during the resolution of Collective Voyage.
You can still get huge value out of it, but you have to pay all of the mana into it yourself to pull off that combo.
Unless your opponents want to give you more lands. Lol. They can still pay mana.
I was just gonna say this lol.
Also, they can decide not to search their library
@@DisregardedHappiness they cannot, Collective Voyage is not a may ability
@@FlashPlayerGames it most definitely is a may ability.
I’m still waiting for those alleged “powerful new White cards” lol
Yeah! Why couldnt this card be white? I feel like blacks and greens power creep rises and rises :(
They'll make some one white Mana drop that gives you 6 life.
Keeper of the Accord is pretty dope. Not powerful in the traditional sense but against a green deck you basically rampant growth at least once a turn cycle
@@VinceTheCoyote Keeper of the Accord is garbage catchup ramp that dies before you get anything. WOTC hates White, just accept it. Even the new Mangara did nothing.
@@fireicelightarrows I mean you’re wrong but regardless you need to chill lol.
If you wanna talk about garbage, the hot take you have on new Mangara is pretty garbage. An actual hot take would’ve been calling the new seraphic greatsword garbage
There goes the neighborhood.
This card can break friendships.
It's gonna be hell to manage at tournaments
Do look forward to Desolar REEEEEing though
I can actually see people crying when this card is played
WHAT IN THE WORLD IS THIS CARD?
Not boros so 0/10
My worst nightmare!
Imo this card should have been a white hate bear
It is what Aven Mindcensor should've been.
I want to put this in muldrotha...but this card is too evil, even for sultai.
the worst part is it negating Aven Mindcensor's positive affect to white, just another reason you'd rather be in black now
Black has always been able to do a bit of everything at a cost so this isn't out of the ordinary. It may be better than aven but white is still the king of hate bears
@@X111ESILENTX111 there’s no cost here. You don’t have to pay life to play their cards. I think the worst thing about this card is how badly it shames white.
@@X111ESILENTX111 the cost: being broken as fuck
@@X111ESILENTX111 What's the cost here though?
@@jasonholmes5714 Who cares about a card being better than another one? That's going to happen all the time. There's plenty of things White does better than Black, and white is one of the better support colors in the game. People whining about white not having a good color identity only play mono color and you know what? That's the cost you get for having streamlined mana bases and a cohesive strategy. Checks and balances to every thing.
Unpopular opinion: anti-tutor is exactly what the competitive scene needs more of. I know there's some already, but I definitely don't mind seeing even more. Tutors and 2 Mana Mana Rocks have sped up the format to ungodly speeds, so anything that disrupts wincons from literally just being fetched from your deck is welcome at my table
This card can win games like turn two
@@theofftaskforce6546 turn 2 ? Put this on a maralen and you can win t1 with 4 cards
Are you familiar at all with what actual competitive EDH is like? cEDH doesn't need less tutoring. Tutoring in general is fine. It needs less Demonic Consultation -> Thoracle. UBx dominates the meta because of it. No other wincon is as compact or easy to pull off at the moment, not even close. Opposition Agent just makes it easier for someone running Consult Thoracle to prevent their opponents from searching for ways to stop them.
There's already anti-tutor tech like Leonin Arbiter and Aven Mindcensor which are actually reasonable. This is just a better version of Mindcensor colorshifted to a competitive color. On top of that, this messes with lands and breaks the social contract, if you have fetches. In legacy, if you turbo this out Turn 1 in BW DnT, you can stop the opponent from doing anything and steal only the stuff out of their deck that you want. This will be banned if it's as powerful as I think. It not being banned is an impossibility, because if it isn't I'm unironically quitting magic. Never said that before, so you know I'm serious.
@@kevinwalsh2922 Turbos it out t1 in legacy > gets bolted and 2/3 for 1d lol
It's like Notion Thief, but more obnoxious.
Obnotion thief
@@JujuInFlames lol nice
MaRo is at it again with his power creeping garbage. I guess they want me to play Ravages of War/Armageddon turn 4 via hard mulligan instead....
More like a less merciful Aven Mindcensor
@@dyciefisk2535 I mean mindcensor dies to shock, this this is 4 toughness and I don't know anyone who plays Lava Coil in his/her deck.... I suppose it's going to push people into decks and playstyles with more big mana/big draw spells but then you run into Notion Thief cuz why not I guess? I'm hoping they print some decent white flying hate birds... my Isperia "you are not allowed to have play or have fun" deck needs some more and I don't wanna resort to being the guy who plays Archon of Emeria + Teferi Time Raveler... cuz that's a bridge too far imho.
If I am correct: "You may play those cards for as long as they remain exiled [...]", it doesn't matter if you lose the Agent, you can still play them right? It isn't written "[...] as long as Opposition Agent is in play."
That's the way I read it, yeah
Correct
A normal Magic player:"Oh no! All my fetchlands and tutors are ruined!!"
Me who can't afford fetchlands and rarely runs tutors:"Nice bad ambush viper you got there."
dies with any removal tbh, people are just over reacting...
Chiky Scares You FLASH is the reason why. Generally players don't hold open removal or counter spells when tutoring. People don't counter the tutor often due to the scary thing being what is TUTORED which they can counter that. For 3 mana in mono black you gain a counter spell to a tutor + remove the best card they have available. If this creature resolves and the tutor resolves removing it only HELPS the next tutor. The text gives you an emblem for what you exiled and is no longer under this card.
@@xChikyx LMAO. A lot of things die to any removal. It's not a reason to underestimate them. So you don't play anything without hexproof, shroud or indestructible because "it dies to any removal"?
This card is BONKERS good.
@@xChikyx now imagine playing edh with an opponent having maralen of the mornsong as their commander...
@@orsettomorbido It’s not that much better than Mindcensor in EDH. It’s good, but not worth freaking out about. It’ll likely be a bigger issue in Legacy and Vintage.
I knew Commander Legends would have some good cards but wow
Does this solve Mardu’s land issue?
My queen marchesa deck is going to love this card!
probably not, its just one card :/
not missing land drops isnt ramp :/
@@lozdbzmario What? You realize, that every land ramp spell and fetch land any opponent plays is automatically yours, for starters? What's "not missing land drops" in this?
@@qwormuli77 he's saying it can't ramp you, which it can't. It (hypothetically) helps you hit land drops, although after the first use, no one will play into it. And it shuts down opponents ability to land ramp. But it doesn't actually ramp you ahead, just slows everyone else down
Which is why is should have been white
Combos disgustingly with Ghost Quarter/Field of Ruin and Crucible of Worlds/Ancient Greenwarden/Ramunap Excavator. Throw in Azusa, Lost but Seeking, Summer Bloom, or Exploration to accelerate your land destruction. Synergizes very well with Lord Windgrace as your Commander since he can get lands into and out of your graveyard with ease, and because he gives you access to red for even more land destruction shenanigans.
you either love them or you hate them they are drumroll, please..... BROKEN CARDS!!!
Broken? More like almost unplayable. Outside of until hype, this will vanish from deck lists over time.
@@PaulGaither this is easily going to be a cedh card. without a doubt.
@@highclassgoblin - It will get flashed in, grab some value, get removed and life moves on.
That is, if it even resolves in cEDH.
This is not broken. It will hardly see play 9 months from now or less.
@@PaulGaither wtf are you smoking this is a hate bear that gran u value. u know hate bear the thing thay edh already run a ton of. This card is stupid good with just the first half, fizzle put tutor, pod ,fetchs is no jk, plus it cheap and flash
@@huyvuminh1048 - You sound like a broken record of every time a new hype card comes out. Do you really want to get into the weeds of this?
I know that it is not 100% comparable to Aven Mindcensor. However, they are quite similar. Both have flash with anti-tutor hate at 3cmc with only a single colored pip.
I know that Mindcensor has 1 toughness and dies to anything while this has 4 and takes more work to remove and can even block things without fear of trading. However, outside of Tragic Slip for -1/-1, the normal removal package for Mindcensor (and the other hate bears) is the same removal that kills this.
Aven Mindcensor sees 9% play in Commander. It is very small and niche. Do you have the courage to predict how much play this will see nine months from now? A year? I bet sub 9%. I bet the ceiling is 5%.
Next, you mentioned hate bears. Do YOU realize what color hate bear decks are?
Mono white - 224
Selesnya - 153
Azorius - 84
Bant - 53
Abzan and Orzhov get buried. Black is not really a hate bear deck or color. Sure, there are some, but there will NOT be some.massive meta shift. This is not a card that will suddenly make Hate Bears some format warping meta deck. A niche deck got a niche card that helps it do its thing.
So, I will ask you wtf YOU are smoking to think this will be anything but some niche tech within nine months, especially once the "new" hot hype wears off and it has to stand on its own.
This is easily going to be a cEDH staple if it doesn’t get banned
I dont think it will, it kinda slows down cedh and makes you less likely to play tutors, unless a card brings down cedh to a complete crawl it wont be banned since its already very very fast
@@seandouglass9824 CEDH also has enough ways to deal with it that I dont see it actually becoming a problem. And for normal EDH it just doesnt seem to do enough tbh, especially with how fetches are generally kinda rare in non 5 or 4 color decks and tutors are pricey
Banning this card is a bad move. You maybe steal 1 tutor ( you never tutor for the win without protection) and after that is obvious. For sure a staple but not ban worthy
@@aidanquiett668 true, though I would like to see someone play this with that card that lets you and an opponent tutor for one black or that artifact where you tutor and hand it to someone and they can tutor also if they want
I just think it’s a better aven mindcensor and that isn’t banned
Big thing you didn’t mention is you can see the player’s whole deck when searching, and as the rules currently are, the player’s hands, as current rules state that when you control a player you can see anything hidden that he has access to sans sideboards which changed in 2016. It’s incredibly strong.
You can't flash in Opposition Agent in the middle of the resolution of Collective Voyage. You have to have the agent on the table before it resolves.
I think you can flash it after mana is paid, but before searching.
@@bejammin2000 Nope, the mana is paid as the spell is resolving. You don't get the chance to flash before the spell finishes resolving.
@@bejammin2000 that would not be correct, just like how you can’t respond to a coin flip card after the flip once a card is in the middle of resolving, you can’t touch it or respond to it
@@bejammin2000 No, you can't do anything during a spell's resolution. You can flash it out in response to collective voyage, but before people pay mana. or you can flash it out after they already have their lands
Yeah, but still... if you have the Opposition Agent in play, and then play Collective Voyage paying, let's say, 3 more mana, then you get 3 lands straight to your battlefield and 9 lands exiled from your opponents and can play them later, for 4 total mana. Still pretty good!
Field of ruin seems like a sweet interaction. I think without that last section of text I would like this card. I do prefer their to be cards to punish stronger abilities like tutoring and land ramp. Someone stealing the cards though probably makes it feel a lot worse.
Dang didn’t think of that interaction crazy!
Biggest issue to me is how it takes a normally white affect, limiting tutors, and puts it in black, the color primarily about tutoring. So now, the color all about tutoring has a way to make sure they are thr ONLY player able to tutor. More than that, with flash it also guarantees that you will steal one player's tutor for yourself.
Just annoys me that someone saw Aven Mindscensor and said "not nearly good enough. Let's make a better one and give it to black"
Oh cool, you have fetchlands? they're dead draws
Myriad Landscape in your Boros Deck? Nah fam, no ramp for you!
What you are describing with Collective Voyage doesn't work. Once the spell starts resolving you can no longer flash the agent in. And if you flash it in before it resolves, or just have it sitting on the battlefield, nobody is going to pitch in mana.
The card is still insane though, as it is one of only 8 search effects that force your opponents to search - even at X=1 you get a rampant growth and one basic from each player into exile for later use.
2:53 This card literally hard counters me. It needs to be banned.
As of this posting, my lowest TCGPlayer market price is $3.18 for my Commander 2014 printing. I was cheaper a few hours ago. Please reprint me until I'm a budget card again!
Man, the Rules committee is gonna have a hard time when this set comes out.
I don't envy the upcoming tasks that they will have due to this set.
Doing nothing isn't particularly hard
@@FixerFour Gottem
@@FixerFour omg xD
I dunno. I think this card is probably fine at least.
Yeah. It looks like WotC is out to break Commander just like they broke Standard.
Commander has answers to this unlike standard
@@keisukebajipup4072 Are you on the WotC Damage Control Street Team?
To be honest, WotC has already broken Commander with Ikoria.
The main offender is the cycle of spells than can be cast for free with basically no downside.
That, combined with the instaban of lutri, the spellchaser and the companion mechanic overhaul.
I have been slowly selling my expensive EDH staples to free up budget.
So far, thanks to this channel, i have build more decks than ever before.
And, because the powerlevel has dropped a bit, the games have actually been fun.
Thanks Mitch!
WOTC: Hey breaking one more format won’t hurt 😞.....
@@wildebeestcommander1464 As long as people buy packs, why would Hasbro care?
That's gonna break Maralen of the Mornsong
U win turn 4 essentially or sooner
@@qua-z5357 The Rules Committee needs to start banning cards from commander sets, if not straight banning these sets. This is just going to continue in the future.
@@danielcassell4527 I mean stuff like this yes, I mean I Kno they're trying to put this more towards the cedh whales which is understandable but at the same they need to know the difference between overpowered and game breaking. Overpowered is ok because it still takes time and can be stopped. For example I have a zur doomsday oracle cedh deck and yes it's overpowered but the combos won't necessarily go off and u have to plan around it. But decks like this and good essentially say Mana rocks u win because it's game breaking which shouldn't be allowed
*godo
Vinecio Gentile to me this interaction feels a lot like winning with Felidar sovereign, it might be cool to win like this once or twice, but it gets boring pretty fast. And Agent+Maralen is A LOT easier to pull off than Felidar. But hey, Maralen's price already spiked, so...boring games are coming
Might be one of the earliest here, but I love your content Mitch! You got me started in EDH and I now have 2 of my own decks that I built myself!
Same story for me
OMG I now have an answer to my friends Zur deck.
and i've got to upgrade my zur to have more removals :/ ty wotc
this card is so dumb. It breaks everything. And fucking flash + Static?!? not just an ETB trigger or something. This is complete aids. Right up there with Oko, The Broko
@@kint_sugi whoa, whoa, no it isn't. It's powerful for sure, but I would honestly be VERY surprised if this EVER gets banned.
This guy you are talking about. He is no longer your friend
my first impression when I saw this was "dang that's busted" but then again, so is searching a 90+ card library for a combo piece. If it makes it multiple turn cycles you need to play more interaction
Searching a 90 plus card library for a combo piece is fair in a format where you need to find a single card in a stack of 90 plus cards. Not to mention most decks only run a max of 6-7 tutors.
@@BMazeing 6 or 7 tutors just means 6 or 7 copies of the same card in your deck. Tutors are very powerful no matter what
My decks run 5-8 pieces of interaction. My friend's deck runs 13 pieces. Our 3rd friend routinely gets consecrated sphynx or other nasties to stick for 4+ turns. Unless you're saying 15 cards minimum for interaction then this idea is so oversimplified its wrong.
Secondly, if i don't draw interaction but did draw a tutor....oh wait.
In essence, this card forces people to top deck an answer while building its own board state. As if black weren't strong enough already.
This card is very powerful, but honestly I'm more annoyed that WOTC is just amplifying the imbalance of power between the colors.
@@BetterCallKahl yup, that evens the odds a bit in a 100 card deck
@@mleet3125
I'd argue you need 10 pieces of interaction minimum via kill spells, board wipes, counterspells, etc. Bonus if you get the effect on the body of a creature or artifact. And its no simplification to say you need to pack interaction. How else do you plan to deal with threats? hopefully outrace the opponent every time? You wont be able to deal with every type of threat sure, but any halfway decent removal spell kills this thing. Even bouncing it works because then the black player has to hold up mana to recast it with no surprise
And if you can't tutor? That's why you have draw spells too
Fantastic, a commander staple. Thanks, Wizards, for homogenizing the format further.
do you remember that time when EDH was about begin creativie in making niche cards printed in regular sets work? Surely that was not as much fun and excitement as getting the new staples and auto-include for the colour(s) that get printed any new set!
Sure, they'll kill the only healthy format left... But think of all the extra cardboard they'll move compared to printing a set that *isn't* full of format-destroying cards!
It's a good check on combo. And fetch lands. This is what we get instead of meaningful fetch land reprints.🤪
They are coming in the next Modern set and at regular rarity in draft packs. Or so they say... :)
what if 2 seperate players control one? who chooses what they search for, who gets what they exiled?
Reason number 282918 that at least half of wizards R&D needs to be fired
If you have Maralen and Opposition Agent on the board at the same time, you can tap out all of your opponents' lands on their Draw Step. Look at Planglacial Wurms rulings: tapping mana while searching a library can be done and since you are controlling the player while they are searching, you can just tap them out every single turn. Have fun playing alone.
It's a cool card, but it slows down things so much when you have to look at every card in your opponents library figurering out what to pick
Collective voyage payments are made as the spell resolves, so you can’t cast this after payments are made but before the search is made because you don’t priority in the middle of a spells ability.
This card is getting a lot of hate, but I really like this design space that's being explored through this card. I wouldnt mind seeing more cards that play around with library shenanigans, but perhaps move it more towards colors that need a buff such as red or white.
Just to clear up a rules issue: Collective voyage pays the mana as part of the spell's effect. You can flash in the agent in the middle of the effect. You can still do it before it resolves, so only you get the benefit.
honestly seems like a good way to stop power creep and faster and faster infinite combos.
I want to put it into my low power decks if I'm playing against powerful decks. Make them play "fair" magic
I don't get why everyone is calling this card broken. Effectively turning off ramp and (powerful) tutor effects just makes everyone play fair, more or less.
@@jinxed7915
It doesnt turn them off it steals them.
Your friend plays his third land, its a fetch land. They crack, you respond and flash this in. You now choose what they search for and exile it. On your turn you now can play the land. And your friend is stuck on 2 lands.
And it isnt symmetrical. Whoever has it can tutor to their hearts content.
@@C00kiesAplenty it's still going in my White/black decks...
"Your ramp Mr Green? No no no, my ramp"
@@C00kiesAplenty semantics. You're right, you can flash it in as a surprise... Once. Then it just effectively turns everything off because then there is no reason to cast those spells/activate those abilities.
And yes, Opposition's owner can still tutor which usually enables more broken combos, but really that is the fault of the rest of that deck. On its own, this card just turns off the things players love to bitch about, like land ramp and tutoring up powerful cards for quick and oppressive combos
With a dark ritual you can snipe the first player to use land ramp and then “shut down” land ramp going forward. Turn one cheese, excellent for dimir stax and such
Finally, an enabler for Boldwyr Heavyweights!!! - The 8/8 for 4 always died to a Necrataal or a Shriekmaw, - No more!
Leave it to wotc to take one of the few white staples and make a better version of it in black
I think the card is actually pretty healthy for higher level EDH. It helps stopping the race for tutoring wincon. And it's counterable, I mean, it's just a creature.
Big agree there. I don't think this card is that bad. It's easy enough to play around, and all it does is slow down the game.
The problem is it has flash. As soon as someone tutors, this gets flashed in and you lose your wincon at flash speed from your deck. That isn't healthy for the format at all.
This is super busted not only it does it disrupt the searches but you can also look at their deck and hand.
@@jesseengmusic57 but... It's still counterable. Or killable
@@MidoriTheAwesome the "dies to removal" argument is not a very good one, just saying.
I think one can't flash agent after paying for collectice voyage. The paying part is part of the resolution and the spell needs to resolve before priority is given to next player. Sorry if I'm mistaken.
Me: Oh, that card is gonna be useful in my black decks.
Also me, looking at my tutor cards:
THIS CARD IS F***ING HORRIBLE!!!
Imagine coming to a Vintage tournament with these doing pillarmen poses
The future is now old man
It could have stayed a fun gimmicky card if it only allowed you to control their searches... You could just force them to get the wrong basic, or transfigure/transmute targets at the right time. But allowing you to just play that card as a search punish? Way, way too much.
Why do people say it'll see CEDH play? That's the reaction on the RC Discord too.
This card SHOULD go in EVERY black deck (budget permitting) the same way that Dockside Extortionist goes in EVERY red deck and Smothering Tithe goes in EVERY white deck. There is no scenario in which this card shouldn't go in a deck. Shivam used creature-type to say it doesn't go in his zombie or ninja decks...but from a strict usability litmus test, this card goes in every black deck of every power level.
Anyone who thinks this won't see cEDH play doesn't understand cEDH on the most basic level...so yeah I totally see why Sivam and a good chunk of the RC wouldn't understand it.
@@muffinoffun1843 Sorry, but I feel you may have misinterpreted my point. People are dismissing it as a card that'll mostly ONLY see CEDH play.
Think like 'Flash.' When it was legal you could say something like 'it sees CEDH play, but that's it.' They seem to be dismissive of banning this card because it'd ONLY see play in CEDH and not warp casual play. I disagree, and feel that this card can go in any black deck at any power level and be a pain in the ass.
@@orgazmo686971 oh im fucking dumb lol yeah you're right
For the same reasson you will not see Mana Crypt too often in non-cEDH decks. It is simply too powerful to allow for a fun casual 7ish power lvl of EDH.
I think the main argument behind the mana crypt is likely it's price. If it was reprinted every year in decks like Sol Ring, it wouldn't be such a big deal.
This is also a great removal magnet. it'll use up your opponents counter/kill early on so you can play something better later.
RIP Wayfarers Bauble
I like these pushed hard counters to what I feel like many playgroups take for granted (unopposed ramp/sanctity of lands) while also spanking the power of tutors beyond mill and counter spells. What isn't mentioned is how this is an indirect buff for spells that dig vs search, another nuance added to commander deck building decisions.
This is gonna be one of those cards where you have to tell your playgroup ahead of time if you want to put it in your deck.
This is a counter to CEDH cards mostly, and decks that stack enough tutors for this to matter are probably strong enough to answer it anyways.
This card just ruins fun. Shut down search like Aven Mindsensor, cool, but being able to have access to people's decks is just icing on the toxic cake.
@@pokeliciousnchill2932 I guess it could be toxic, but that seems like its a matter of who runs it. I can see it being a strong political card, but also a must kill card
I don’t think collective voyage would work that way because once the spell starts to resolve nothing can interact with it how I u understand the rules so before people pay into voyage opposition agent would have to be on the field before the spell resolves
Hrmm, how fast can I get this out with Maralen as my commander?
Also, dig the Maralen buyouts! It jumped from $3 to $40 awful quick.
Maralen and this thing are as abrasive as Leovold. Sure, neither have shroud or indestructible, but if you don't have removal in hand when it hits, you never will.
Turning off Farseek, Cultivate, and Bauble was also not in demand by anyone.
Not sure if this gets banned or Maralen does. If Flash Hulk had to leave the meta, if Leovold had to leave the meta, if Braids, Cabal Minion had to leave the meta, Maralen/Opposition Agent has to leave the meta.
So many things you are just extremely wrong on first you’re forgetting maralen is a terrible commander on her own. Second Leovold and braids got banned because they are oppressive creatures that you can have in your command zone. Flash got banned because it was the only deck in cedh this card will not be the only deck it will just be another notion thief aven mindsensor card
On a maralen ? Assuming you got agent on hand, you can do the lock with on t1 with 4 cards including agent
Scheming Symmetry can be used to search two different opponents decks if you don’t want to search your own
That card is disgusting
This is only broken of people are play powerful decks eg tutors, fetchlands etc. Yeah it effects ramp but imo that's a good thing since it nerfs green. And colours like white and black can ramp via artifacts or enchantments.
I think it'll be healthy and curb combo and I have answers for anything with tutors decks
Me who plays Yugioh: First time?
I do which it were white or maybe orzhov because this is just so much better than the option white has for this similar thing, plus it could be a cool way to give white more card advantage.
This card would only affect 1/3 of my decks. The other 2/3 just draws a lot of cards to the point this card wont be effectove against or just beats the daylight out of it and the opponent.
Agreed. Great against decks that use tutoring/fetches/deck manipulation as part of their strategy, not so great against a horde of goblins, dinosaurs, angry trees, snakes, etc. That being said decks that autoinclude this are probably already up to no good and have answers in plenty for straight up aggro/card advantage.
@@The13thclam you named a lot of green decks. you dont run cultivate,kodama's reach etc etc in them?
I could be wrong but I think with collective voyage you don't pay Mana until it resolves so you would have to flash in the agent before anyone pays Mana but if you have enough to put in yourself you could still run people out of basics
This card is not busted at all. why would you not want to slow down fast land ramp or expensive tutors? This card is amazing! Just pack removal if you don't like it, it's not that difficult to interact with.
FYI the join forces mechanic doesn’t work that way. When you play a join forces card you play the extra mana when the spell is resolving kinda like the the vote cards from conspiracy. You don’t know how much people are going to pay until the card is resolving.
It’d be nice if wizards would ever print a card so powerful in red or white...
Dockside extortionist is easily as strong, argueably better.
Smothing tithe and teferi's protection are both stronger
Only problem w/ these replies are that the best boros cards (which are the ones being suggested) aren't exactly cheap.
@@Frostgiantbutsmall Who said opposition agent will be cheap.
@@piggles1019 lol true though, definitely $10 at least.
What happens if two players have this in play at the same time?
This card shuts down my scion of the ur dragon deck. Pay 2 give your opponent a dragon to cast.
Nice
Sounds legit. On the positive side, dragons tend to be good at killing creatures, right?
How does this work when there are multiples in a 3+ player game?
Man I really hope no one knows about Aven Mindsensor
Hold it. If you have Opposition Agent and Aven Mindsensor on the battlefield, you're screwing yourself over because you can control their searches, but because of Aven Mindsensor, you can only touch their top 4.
Opposition agent is a better aven Mindscensor in black. White can't have anything nice
@@LazerpawX7 except board wipes and single target
I understand that this channel is about budget decks, but god I can't wait for this in my high powered tables. I play Vannifar, and even I understand tutoring is the most powerful effect in EDH, and having more ways to turn it off is good. The only thing I wish is that it was white, not black
Honestly with this effect it should really be Dimir, flavor-wise... Plus being 1UB would at least stop it from being a turn 2 play if the player started Sol Ring/Mana Crypt.
it can be played first 1
@@lorekeeper685 Actually you’re totally right. My mind totally glazed over Dark Ritual because I’m not a big player... But yeah, technically this could be a turn one drop for someone opening it + black mana source + Dark Ritual. Which are things I think most people would run in a black deck.
(jussayin all the more reason to include blue in the casting cost...)
You can play it as early as turn one with dark ritual and when you are mid game you can give your opponents the sense of safety with ritual effects just to still flash it in.
Love this kind of cards. It's the first card I see this year that is going to be a black staple instead of other cards on the previous standard sets that in it's mayority were green staples.
first black staple? what about Feed the swarm?
7:35 I don't believe you can respond after everybody chose a number because we're already resolving Collective Voyage at that point.
I hate this card already, this new kind of cards make Rofellos the banned look reasonable.
This card is an amazing equalizer. Green decks are terrorizing the format more and more (the Chulane effect), and decks that are basically tutor-combo-suites are also quite oppressive: this card deals with both. It's an amazingly fair card IMHO.
"After careful study and consultation with WotC, the Rules Committee have decided that any new bannings would be counter-productive at this time." You all know it'll be something like that. Commander is THE most popular format in the game, and WotC seems determined to wreck it. The RC seems to be fine with WotC's actions.
I'm with you here. The RC will do nothing, too scared to disrupt Wizards' sales.
this works really well with field of ruin. 1 land on the battlefield for you and 3 basic lands in exile and an opponent with 1 less land.
Jfc. They're shameless. This will be good in vintage and legacy. Gonna be $$$, wotc moves product and commander players have to pay the bill. Crappy.
Edit: people always say "this'll be good in X format" which they don't play. I play a ton of legacy and it could be banned out, its that good in a format where fetchlands are most of the lands and many decks rely in tutors to win especially storm which is a big portion of meta. It may actually be good for the format bc those mana bases slow tournaments but either way, $$$. Heck I've been playing DnT with the white bird version and its wayyy worse.
I'm honestly kinda happy for it. There aren't many effects short of MLD to hamper turbo ramp, punishes people for greedy manabases and punishes people tuning their deck for hyper-consistency. Maybe not quite as powerful, but I would love to see 7-10 of these effects in a few colours
This card is fine. With the exception of the Maralen combo it's basically three mana to steal someone's tutor and lock opponents out of tutoring until someone can get rid of it. At best it's a hard stop to combo decks trying to go off and at worst it just slows the game down. Doesn't seem all that broken to me.
We will need clarification of timing rules for this. Like, players get priority after you cast something like collective voyage but before the decisions happen. I don't think you get priority after people make the choice but before the searching has happened. I believe it should be... play collective voyage, everyone gets priority to respond, once everyone has passed, then the effects of the spell occur with no priority happening until all the searching is done and the lands are on the battlefield.
This should be banned. I think this is clearly too powerful effect for commander. Its stops players from doing basic functions of the game. No I don't think the format needs time to adjust.
Basic functions is drawing and playing lands. Tutoring isn't at all that crucial. Its especially broken if you think consistent turn 2's in 99 singleton is okay. I have a 4.5k yidris deck that I don't mind trimming fetches and tutors for more cantrips and snow/basics and rainbow lands or unfetchable lands in order to promote more interactive game play. But also interaction itself is also a good answer like including more counterspells or kill spells like trophy.
spotted the triggered one that just wants to play fetches and expensive tutors....
how about you.....adapt and play around it. save your single target removal ;)
Turn 1 dark ritual into Opposition Agent kills someone's turn 1 fetch.
Mitch, I see you reading the name of this card, but you have a really odd way of pronouncing "Design Mistake". Please revise
This makes me want to do a Black/ Green deck including this and the Ob Nixilis that punishes opponents whenever they search their library with life damage as well, and pair with stuff like Fertilid, which lets me make target player search their library for a land. Returb Fertilid from graveyard after its died, rinse and repeat
cEDH bound
So if there are 4 of these out on the battlefield with each person having one, the person after you goes next? Unless someone played one on the turn?
Citing rule 616.1: "If two or more replacement and/or prevention effects are attempting to modify the way an event affects an object or player ... the affected player chooses one to apply ..." meaning that whoever is trying to search their library picks which (single) opponent gets to search for them.
imagine considering a 3cmc creature without protection as "broken"
are you kidding me? calm down, yall just complain because your moneyplays can be dealt with now and you actually have to adapt your deck...eventually.
this card evens the playfield against tryhard and combos (or stormdecks like i have one). do i get triggered when you cast it in response to my kodamas reach? certainly yes. but i will adapt for it and run removal in my deck (as every deck should).
Collective voyage doesn’t work how you think it does. Each player paying mana is part of the spell resolving. Before the spell resolves you have to cast agent, therefore your opponents will know what you’re doing and not pay any mana into it
I swear WOTC is trying to kill there own games.
Mitch, if youre going to play Scheming Symmetry with this on the field, you dont target yourself. Target two of your opponents.
Depends. If you know your opponents' decks and they have what you need sure. If you don't know your opponents' then it's usually better to target yourself.
@@tonysmith9905, when I pull it off, I can guarantee I will target two of my opponents. I will gladly take the couple of minutes to search their deck for them to take out their biggest threat, combo piece, or whatever will help me the most. Its literally a two-for-one (black mana).
this card is broken even in legacy lol.
It will be a strong contender in legacy, definitely giving black fair strategies a powerful weapon to hate on someone's parade. Being a 3 drop will keep it from being overbearing, however.
I like this card a lot. There are so many tutors that makes decks WAY more consistent to find their combo pieces. This will make people think before just insta-tutoring.
First?
Great video Mitch had no Idea keep the videos conning
The collective voyage example is wrong. You cannot flash in a spell during the resolution of a spell on the stack.
How does it work if 2 players have this out in a game and a 3rd player tries to search their library?
3rd player chooses which of the 2 players with it out gets to search.
Affected player chooses how to stack replacement effects.
the collective voyage doesn't work like you think, you have to flash the opposition agent before they put mana onto it, but, if you put opposition agent, then collective voyage x=3, you are still getting 3 lands and 9 on exile, voyage is not a may
Gogo gadget whatever the mass Path to Exile was.
I don't think the Voyage works. You don't pay the mana until it resolves at which point it's too late to cast the agent. Still could flash it in EOT and put a bunch of mana into it yourself though.
I believe Collective Voyage would not work with this. Because at the time where people started paying manager, it started resolving and then it would resolve completely before anybody gets priority. Nonetheless: Play a 'group ramp' spell (which are typically cheaper because they benefit everyone) and have played or flash in the opposition agent and only you benefit (and even get lands 'to your hand' extra).
I don't know if this has already been answered but what happens if two players both have an opposition agent out and the third person tutors who controls the player