Why Aren't Japanese Men Interested in Sex? | Japan's Herbivore Men Epidemic
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Trust me I haven't lost any interest in sex, it's just my interest in peace and quiet increased over the sexual desire
Do you think plastic (which is an endocrine disruptor) is causing men to have lower testosterone levels though?
I would not be surprised if endocrine disrupters are available in all the processed foods in America. This is why I prefer Japanese snacks when I can find them. @@whatrtheodds
Most likely, but the point remains. Honestly, if I could eliminate my desire for sexual intercourse and physical affection I probably would. It just seems to be more trouble than it's worth, personally.@@whatrtheodds
@@whatrtheoddsWho cares what one *thinks* about that. Only robust studies & peer-reviewed results matter. Not random internet narrative-crafting.
@@whatrtheoddsor maybe it's the horrible laws and it's just not worth it anymore?
The guy who said that men nowadays are also free to pursue other stuff to make them happy and put less priority in getting into relationships with women has a point
He described the free agent lifstyle by coach greg adams
The same goes for women. I myself am tired with dating because the very same free agent guys will make dating a priority but not invest. Now, the women is left feeling like she has to carry the load of attraction. In my case, I walk away because I also consider myself this free agent but I don’t squander romantic opportunities. I treat my partners with dignity and respect. It seems these so called free-agent-males makes brings into question a women’s integrity. This is in America. The herbivore man is everywhere.
@@BlackPanther203 free agent men don’t make dating a priority thats false. We gave up on dating because women are insasiable and always asking for more and more anything you do is always not enough. So we decide to stay single and be herbivore and be happy by ourselves doing ours hobbies, living ours dreams. If you want to do the same good for you.
I'm perfectly capable of ruining my own life...I don''t need a woman to do it for me!
@@BlackPanther203 No, I meant guys who don't have dating as priority at all, like why risk being told you are a good for nothing man and get rejected while you can instead write your own novels, learn to play musical instruments, or go on outdoor adventures with your friends and travel to different places. There are a lot of fun things to do to create good memories without the stress of being in a romantic relationship.
These women were quick to say the man is a coward or isn't manly if he doesn't pursue, but then asked if they would pursue him instead it's embarrassing, difficult and they don't have the confidence...are men not allowed to have these same feelings?
Salute to the one lady who isn't afraid to approach, but would prefer the other way around.
We’re all living with the social programming we were given. It’s sad how homogenous flawed-thinking can to be, even with consideration, as seen in this video.
They never seem to ask themselves.....are they worth the effort to pursue ?
@@blow0me Exactly. Although, no man should "chase" women. Time is our ally and a woman's worst enemy.
EQUALITY works conveniently for women, NOT MEN. Women don't need to be held accountable for investing energy into the initial first meet and date. A woman's main strategy is to wear make up and cute clothes to try to invite men to notice her. That's it. WOMEN WILL WAIT FOREVER WITH SUCH PASSIVE STRATEGIES. economists have already forcasted that 70% of women in Japan will be single and childless living alone in the 30-60 yr old category
Women and men are equal, except for anything that benefits men or effects women negatively. For these cases it's oh you should be more traditional. Can't have it both ways.
I remember watching a National Geographic documentary about animals and recall hearing “when an organism is stressed, sex is not a priority”… not sure if that’s relevant but just sharing some perspective
That's the most important and insightful observation I've come across in a long, long time. Thank you for posting it.
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Well yeah, when conditions aren't optimal the individual will prioritise their own survival first. How can you carry on the next generation when you can't even survive yourself?@@steve85710
Can you please write down the name of the documentary
And what does Japan have? Long work hours, exhausted workers and not enough time and or energy to date and raise a family...
This is not Japan only… this is going globally
Usa especially
Yes it is. Lack of money and homes. You cant support a family if you dont have the cash. Your familiy cant live on the street. And prices on homes are rising globaly
Whatever happens in Japan... occurs in the states a few years later.
Im never date girl cuz i know its not worth
@@rafapawlak4888 No, my brother has a lot of GF and a lot of sex and he is broke.
Men don’t want to be accused of sexual harassment, rape, or blackmailed etc.
Also, want to keep their hard earned money.
HOW DARE THEY ?
best comment
Men are falling behind fast. Women are outearning men in the west. Building their portfolios. Men in the west make babies with multiple women and can't afford their child support. Young women are chasing their bag and not wanting marriage or kids. They secretly do but the odds of divorce is so high its not worth it.
There is a difference between an approach and sexual harasment. And well, yes, if you have a family, money will be less and fewer. But statistically, married men have more sex...
@@yvonnehorde1097 you're clearly not smart. There is no difference, start using your brain for once.
As an Asian male growing up, my parents would discourage me from dating, socializing, and getting in trouble with girls. My mother goes so far as to tell me that I am ugly and that no girl ever would talk to or marry me. Now in my 40s with degree, job, and house, she has been asking when I will marry and give her grand kids. I tell her I am just too ugly and no woman wants to be with me. Sometimes, I see tears...
why did your mom even say that to you when you were growing up
What an awful parent.
amazing answer ahahahhaa
Be happy by yourself, about that your mother was right.. And if the girls come at you give them a chance, but don't pursue them..
If you chase they will hardly love you. Women only love the men THEY chase and care about.
Type shit
I'm so sorry for you bro. That cruel talk really damaged you at a young age. If you want to get into a relationship, please pursue it.
“We want the guy to do the pursuing”
“He looked at me inappropriately and I am reporting to the police”
This is so appropriate ❤️❤️
@@laptopstudy3279 90% of men don't qualify for these boss bae hoes . They rather get D from Chad and Pookie.
😂😂
keep telling yourself that cope lonely man
@@42smash36 ok crazy cat lady
To name a few:
1. Decreased necessity, easy access to porn/toys.
2. Less social pressure to get married.
3. Too much effort for the reward.
4. Disappearance of matchmakers, arranged marriages, parental selection of partners, friends setting each other up, etc.
5. Dating apps give women too much choice, they choose the top tier men, who only use apps to play around and don’t actually need to settle down.
6. Increased cost of living, no one wants to give up their life to become a salaryman to support a family.
7. Bossbabe culture, more aggressive masculine women.
8. Fear of being called a creep or getting #metoo-ed.
9. Decreased faith in the institution of marriage as divorce rates go up.
10. Media gives us unrealistic expectations about sex/romance/marriage.
4. I think 4 is the key. In history in most societies even in oh lala special weeb love Japan, they're human too and very imperfect ones, the parents match made. Now they are atomised. They are in their own private worlds. This happens in all well "developed" nations.
@@peterc4082 Yeah, it's a huge one for sure.
Most people who watch porn are people who will never get laid anyways and women will never find these men attractive so the first one is a moot point. Do men who have no trouble getting women watch porn sure, but it’s mostly men who can’t anyways who watch the porn
Excellent summation!
@@peterc4082 yeah i also think it's one of main problems, 99% of human history matching people was done with help of other people, now it's some kind of free for all, and you can see how succesfull it is, we basically goind through learning why are ancestors decided people need assistance with this stuff. Was it perfect? No. But it was working.
The elderly say the most thought-provoking stuff. Hats off the the interviewer, you're vocab and word usage is on point!
Idk if it's the same in Japan, but in the west women give men mixed messages. We're expected to take on the risk and pressure of approaching a woman, exposing ourselves to rejection. This rejection is often constant, either due to dating being a learning process, or just pure incompatibility. At the same time, our efforts are not valued. When we express our difficulties we're not really extended human kindness. As I said, we're expected to take on a lot of pressure and risk, but the toll that can take on our minds is not understood, or empathized with.
Men get shamed for trying and shamed for not trying. It's easier for these herbivore men, I'd gather, to simply opt out of dating altogether and focus on themselves. I've read in some of the comments that Japan has been westernized in recent years, so I believe Japanese men will be able to relate to this comment.
There are no mixed messages. Men just don't know how to read women's signals.
@@36handyAs they make it more vague. As if men are born psychic that can read minds.
@@36handyLesbian relationships in America have the highest cases of domestic violence, women cannot even stand or understand each other.
@@36handyThis is not a good faith comment 😂
@@newempire158 - I didnt say anything about 'understanding'. I said 'know the signals'
Herein lies the problem, nobody wants to be rejected so to save yourself from that pain, the men don’t pursue. In an evolving world of sexual harassment finally starting to become an actually unacceptable form of behaviour then men don’t want to be accused of “sex hara” so they stay away.
Japan has a very strong population decline and an aging population so young people need to work more and more taxes can keep the retirement system up(more and more old people) because they work so much they will not have much time for ladies and children which causes population decline.
The EU tried to solve this by allowing in illegals many of them have vastly different cultural values and have no issues pooping out children left and right common in Islam.
So within a few decades or maybe a century can outbirth European people.
Heads up for Women out there. Sharia law is ahem"slightly" more restrictive for women than Western values.
And yes playing videogames or just becoming a Simp for some E-lady or soon having an AI girlfriend is much easier so that will also result in a population decline.
We will have a rise of simps and incels.......which likely was extremely rare just 20 years ago.........
And of course, 80% of the men in online dating are invisible so the rest of the 20% get almost everything so many slightly ABOVE average and especially below average men gave up dating altogether.
I had a male friend who approached 300 women in real life all 300 of them had a "boyfriend".....he was only 170 cm tough so severe disadvantage.
He resigned from dating altogether......at least he overcame his fear of rejection......with a 0% success rate.....
And yes a random girl can sleep with you and have second thoughts the next day, or month and call sexual harassment your career is likely F-ed for life EVEN if it turns out you have been innocent.
Or you look at women the"wrong" way if you are a creep(unattractive guy)and get scolded by HR.
If you look at it the same way and you are attractive that is good.....I have actually seen this in my workplace.....
So basically Social media Messes up many things and likely will result in population decline, unless AI solves problems, the Retirement system will collapse or today's young ones will work forever likely before 2050.
There is a chance Islam will gain traction in the EU within a few decades and likely many internal culture conflicts will get worse than now.
So Paris burning can get so much worse....A less safe environment means fewer women want children.
And of course climate is getting F-ed so many couples do NOT want children even if they are mentally, physically, money ready.
So there are people who think it is morally wrong to make children into "this world".
So population decline and retirement system collapse or extreme decline are likely the outcome of the above......
I HOPE I am wrong though just my theories based on my life in the EU.
Good luck to everyone:)
It's a messed up woke world.
@@jl909-nr5vxyou can thank that to corporations dnd their ESG-like score that ruined society for some profits.
You do know that you can go on dates without sexually harassing a woman….right?
@@andrebaxter4023 Approaching a woman is considered sexual harassment.
The girls say they want the guys to approach them. Then, when approached, they run away. Often.
wouldn't make sense if the woman approached a guy and then run away. Being approached gives the woman options.
they run away screaming "RAAAAAPE"
just don't approach them from behind with a knife in your hand
It's natural. If women Ok on first trial, (Her instinct say) men think she's cheap.
@@hantuah-z5w More and more men find that they are cheap even before the first attempt.....
When you think about how horny young men are, there must be something seriously wrong with a society where problems are severe enough to overcome and suppress THAT powerful instinct. The need of young men for sex has been one of the most powerful forces in the world for as long as there have been people.
They didn't say that the men weren't having sex, but that they no longer felt the need to involcw women in it. Japan has a huge porn industry and a lot of prostitution. They even have rooms about the size of a closet that men can rent to watch porn and shake hands with their little friend. They have love hotels and sex toy shops three stories high, so obviously there is some sex going on. However, I have a lot of male friends and a lot of male cousins and they all say that self love gets tiring after awhile, so that can't be the only thing they are doing. Perhaps these men engage in prostitution when that happens, who knows? Or maybe they get whatever sexual needs that they may have met in other ways. I've even seen reports of where Japanese men are not even having sex with their wives (particularly after she has a baby). So there's something going on, but I agree with you. The sex drive is a powerful instinct for most men. They just can't be simply ignoring it.
A lot of these guys don't suppress anything, they just replaced normal sex with porn and prostitutes. And not all young men are horny, a low sex drive is a problem for many herbivores even if they are in a relationship
Young women are even more horny than young men - but only under the right circumstances. While men are more or less constantly horny women are much more complicated and need to be pursuit only in certain way by certain men to actually crave for sex.
They do lolicon.
I can’t speak for all “herbivore” men. But I am an extremely private and antisocial person - qualities that will always discourage pursuing women.
Well, I discovered today I was an herbivore... It's honestly just too much of a hassle nowadays and there's a high chance of her being all fucked up by social media telling her she's a queen, she slays, and so on... I don't want to be rude by asking what she brings to the table so I just avoid the whole thing.
As a Japanese man, I have some thoughts.
I have dated multiple women, but I feel like they are not talking about the core issues in this interview.
First of all, any man will be uncomfortable being approached if he doesn't like the way the other person speaks.
This is difficult to hear in an interview and cannot be judged superficially.
This ambiguity is not conveyed to the opposite sex, so I think it is one of the reasons why people who are said to be herbivores decide that they don't want to be in a relationship because they can't get along with them even if they try hard to approach them.
The second point is that Japan's sex education is failing.
Until World War II, there was a complete matchmaking system that ensured the presence of parents, neighborhood associations, and matchmakers, and the concept existed throughout Japan that women should take three steps back and follow in order to protect the home.
However, this means that no matter what kind of man a woman becomes a wife to, she must be prepared to understand that her marriage was decided by her parents, so it can't be helped.
China, Japan, and India, all of which have large populations in Asia, all valued the family system, albeit in different forms, and ultimately hoped for national prosperity.
In a sense, this was a success since the Meiji period as a way to enrich the country and strengthen the military.
However, after the defeat in World War II, American ideology became pervasive, and at the same time, the idea that happiness lies in choosing a free way of life for both men and women began, and at the same time, free love was forced to compete with those of the same sex.
In other words, if there is someone of the same sex who is more attractive than you, you become your enemy, and you have to work hard to be more attractive than that person.
This is the reason why they hide their true feelings as mentioned in the previous paragraph.
In other words, unless they are someone they think is good, their chances are zero.
I've done this for at least 20 people, and it's getting more and more tedious.
In that case, there are two types of popular men. He's either a person who truly cares about his partner, or he's like a beast, only thinking about whether he can have sex with his partner or not.
I think the fact that these things are rampant, including on matching apps, is similar to the reality that we can no longer feel the distance between ourselves and women in real society.
In other words, there are some shitty men and shitty women, but I think these are the factors that hinder proper love.
Man this is spot on! I've been seeing this but could not explain why. You just nailed it!
correct. Also another thing is this: today japan women want to develop career, so no marry no kids, no need to marry to be successfull.
your theory is called "red pill" in Europe, we think the same.
Unfortunately there is no solution for this, we are in Neo Medieval.
Domo arigato
All that to say nothing. 😐
@@rockon8174 enough for your mom poothy
Chad and Tyrone are always the women’s first choice. Women like the bad boys. And then complain later. Ladies, you can’t have it both ways.
As a herbivore man, there are a lot of reasons why we're being like this. Most woman think we are creep even we are asking them to moved a bit in a Walmart
Now imagine being Islamic and trying abide with it in non Islamic nation, women will out you behind bars for not giving them attention
Women want hunters not passive men. Women get dumped for younger girls all the time. They know how men are always searching for pretty faces. It's so unattractive to see men not living up to their full potential. They are in feminine/soft energy. Be proactive, go after things and what you want. Be consistent. Women had to become their own providers and take on a man's role because THEY HAD TO. Men don't lead anymore. Women don't respect men to take care of her because of his actions.
@@boygonewhoopdataZZ Or more likely, you will come behind bars because you give the wrong attention as you do not know how to approach a non-muslim woman in a free society properly.
@@boygonewhoopdataZZ That's scary bro. My God
@@boygonewhoopdataZZ Why are you islamic in a non islamic nation? That's the real question here. There are plenty of islamic nations, why don't you go there?
The title " Why Aren't Japanese Men Interested in Sex" yet he interviewed 16 women but only 3 men! 🤔
Clickbait. Don't take this kind of "interview channels" seriously. They put the most clickbait title in the thumbnail and then the video hasn't anything to do with that title. They do this just to attract views.
Don't take this interviews as an objective information about Japanese society because it's just biased content.
that answers your question doesn't.
@@protekjv82 yesn't sir
lol there lies the problem in a nutshell.
Might be illegal to ask minors for something like that. 😮
"Every man is happy until happiness is suddenly a goal"
Tame impala song
Ooo nice one
truth is they don't want any men approaching them, only the good lookin ones.
If they dont approach you first and you gotta chase them is because they dont want you
@@ludacorleone8563 women want to be chased. It has been like this since the beginning of time
@@lucadesanctis563 i dont chase no one thats how you get rejected,i only make a move if she show interest
@@ludacorleone8563 u said it urself: she shows interest in some way and then u start the entire process. Thanks for proving my point
If you're thirsty would you be as picky? Women are susceptible to charm and rizz while men are not. Honestly, no one really approaches women so everyone has better chances.
I love how Japanese reply to such questions. instead of just saying men are jerks or immature, they give careful, thoughtful responses based more on psychology than criticism.
Maybe because they know it is not that simple and also because women are responsible for that matter.
106 average IQ...
@@XAUCADTrader isn't that kinda low?
@@onsenguy That's the highest in the world ... 100 is average American/UK/Canada/Aus/NZ. Six points makes a huge difference, they score among the top for the OECD PISA international standardized tests for students and their crime rate is among the lowest in the world. This is what causes them to clean up stadiums when they visit other countries. Things are more orderly and civilized.
@@XAUCADTrader and you think that has to do with IQ?
"Why are you a 'herbivore' when your friend is a 'carnivore'?", he asked the guy who was a full eight inches shorter than his friend...
Handsome tall guy: "I'm a carnivore"
Very average looking small guy: "I'm a herbivore"
no s**t!.
He had braces at some point too, probably comes from money.
so what? you think that is all that matters? he caught my eye , and was more interesting than the carnivorous one, in my opinion ,,, ;) and he had very nice teeth
If a guy asks a girl out and they are rejected or vice versa. They should reject them politely, it takes alot of courage to ask someone out. I mean if someone asked me out I would appreciate them for making the first step, that shows that I’m a desirable person and a huge compliment.
Would you like to go have lunch with me someday? 😳
@@dark9oni 😆 You haven’t even seen me?? How am I desirable to you or likewise? 😆
@@campos3452
I mean, what you just wrote already sounds more promising than any pretty face
@@dark9oniyou just made my day with this comment 😂
Don't play games with men's
"Back in my day... there were men and there were women." Right on.
Nowadays, you gotta ask everyone their pronouns. One more obstacle in the way of approaching women.
that wasn't the full sentence. he used a word to carry on with the idea
the older man was the wisest in this interview
Yeha leftism killed it
It's not that we aren't interested in sex. It's the complications and hurdles that we have to deal with which results giving us lots of mental health issues.
I dont approach them because in todays time its rly useless in my eyes, they have dating apps lots of guys writing them on social media and also people approaching them on streets. I did it in the past which sometimes worked sometimes not, but in generell i wouldnt do it anymore and just live for myself. Also i builded such a pride in myself the older i got, that i really dont want to be the one whos asking because shes always on the end of deciding which i dislike in a way, because they take that stuff for granted.
Because of the equality of men and women, laws or regulations are strictly about protecting women, so men feel a lot of trouble when they want to approach women.
In the west almost any approach can be considered harassment.
In Japan today, if a male boss asks a female employee, "How’s your weekend?" it's considered sexual harassment. Naturally, men will quit relating to or even talking to women unnecessarily. Many women say they want men to be more aggressive, but only if they're good-looking or rich. If an average man or an old man did that, he could even be reported.
Great answer, and so true.
i heard some insane scenarios and laws in various western countries so i can see that as a turnoff. But what i think people underestimate is that nowadays its the norm to engage with complete strangers. Thats also a very strong contributing risk factor, for short and longterm effects. Thats like a multiplicator for all the new weird, kinky stuff thats established with the era of cheap, easy communication, and dophamine rush you can easily access via the internet.
Women have ruined things for themselves...feminism.
I LOVE the elders' POV on this topic!
Stay single guys.. A woman's happiness is not our responsibility ❤
Facts.. just go monk mode
Lol spoken like a virgin incel.
Monk mode *Activated*
@@fla5237 choose a lifestyle where 3-4 or 4-5 friends live together.. work in daytime and party in the night time like crazy party.. look after your friends and they will look after you..save up some money for old age life.. stay together and that's life .. ❤️
@@jungleking9 can't imagine 5 middle aged guys that are heterosexual living together men are to stubborn and independent for that
"Be more aggressive"
The #MeToo movement killed that XD
keep telling yourself that cope lonely man
@@42smash36 infertile catlady.
@@42smash36 keep telling yourself that cope, cat lady.
@42smash36 he's not wrong not even close
Fuck MeToo. That shit doesn't exist. I flirt almost everyday at work with customers and get dates almost once every 2 weeks at least
You need to be sexual, and you need to be a man. The woman must feel this or she won't really be attracted.
For the scardy pussy cats.. it's obvious when a girl is giving you "get away from me" energy, just say have a nice day and walk away.
Most important tips:
1) PRACTICE PRACTICE PRACTICE! Go out to the mall, and just talk to people.. girls and boys.
2) You need muscles, or a manly confident look to you. These days most guys have zero muscles.. so working out puts you above them physically already
imagine ur a short man who is less than handsome… and u approach a girl u like… u KNOW their first thought it “omg hes so short…” and thats already an uphill battle no matter how great your personality is. And its not just about being short… women can be shallow about so many things… and if guys are too persistent they come off as CREEPY and annoying. Its a fucked situation if u arent blessed with looks.
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I feel that this is something that is happening everywhere else in the world.. I think i can safely say that I am myself a "Herbivore". For me it's the ease to communicate using smart phones, and social media that puts me off nowadays meeting people in real life. During the pandemic i enjoyed social distancing very much! it made me realise that i really don't enjoy dating and meeting other people at all. Only with my closest friends. I have completely lost interest in others and i find myself to be very happy this way.
I'm similar, but I also disagree. I'd love to meet like-minded people, but I feel like they're not really out there. I feel estranged from society -- like everyone else values goals outside of my own.
@@groovy7896 yes, i know what you mean. It is very rare indeed.
Whats happening in Japan is happening also in other countries. Dating nowadays is risky and unsatisfying. Plus woman are more less humbly especially in the west.
Marriage and children is no longer a priority to women. No woman wants to be divorced raising 2/3 kids. It's impossible to get a man after that. Men want hot young things and older women are sick of competing with younger women for men's attention. So they stay single and focus on their money.
It's called feminism. Dating has been degraded, the institution of marriage has become a circus and people are lonelier than ever. Good job western civilization. You've done it once again.
Japan has too many people. Maybe in evolutionary sense it must decline tremendously.
Japan leads the world. If this is what Japan looks like now, western countries will look the same in 20 years.
@@willythemailboy2 Japan leads the world? I'm sorry but Intel, Arm, AMD and Apple are not Japanese. Japanese glory days have passed in the 80s-90s. Now Koreans are making cheaper and better and Japanese prefer Chinese assembled iPhones to their own keitai.
I have become somewhat familiar with Japanese culture through traveling. I get the feeling that the Japanese have just stacked responsibilities upon young people. And in addition to carrying the weight of those responsibilities, they have to be well-behaved and fit into the mold of their school or corporate setting. This pressure and short leash creates timidity, compliance, and even people who just entirely opt out. These " herbivore men" aren't young people who decided this is the life they want to live. They were created.
Finally someone who can see past the shallow front. Greedy politicians created certain environment and now they crying for more consumers to be bred and spawned. The irony in all this bullshit is just astonishing.
They were created by modern women who just like in the west only want the top 10% of men in terms of looks, height and income. Every man wants women and I would encourage them to approach and try their best anyway but I know that the majority of men will just face thousands of rejections without any results. An average looking man could literally approach thousands of women and would get rejected every single time.
The Elephant in the room here - Many guys like me (half carnivore/half herbivore) are careful not to offend or scare women. No sexual assault. Thats why we hold back. When we do make an approach, and we do, a single approach, if the woman shows any fear or annoyance, we will be respectful and never consider again. The woman must be aware of the moment we do and know what is right for her. We have honour, and can be assertive/aggressive without fear of rejection, but only once.
You don't need to "approach" women. Women will come to you if you show valuable masculine traits, not your worthless plastic anime figurines and worthless anime video collection. These are loser qualities.
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'half carnivore/half herbivore' that's just an omnivore
There’s no such thing as herbivore or carnivore you’re just beta male. And it’s okay. Most are beta males and they survive reproduce sometimes somehow.
But only once….you Hit the twelve…..and yes, Most men are Gentlemans, who wants make women happy….but only if the she‘s want it…..
This all ties back to social media and dating apps. In the US, swipe statistics show that women are attempting to match with only 5-10% of men. The top-tier men in looks, status, and wealth have access to nearly unlimited amounts of women, while the remaining 80-90% are left fighting over scraps. When women are with top-tier men, even it’s just situationships/hookups, they shift their expectations to that level and become “Alpha-widowed”. An average guy will never measure up to the excitement of being with a top-tier, desirable guy.
In summary, the herbivore man is factually and statistically unwanted. Average women don’t desire average men. They prefer a series of situationships over a relationship with an herbivore man.
So women are just slaves nowadays😂
It kinda goes both ways. I have found ladies playing hard to get alot and when you leave for someone else or do other things they get upset. The ones that I actually dated well.....ちょうとめんとうくさい。Porn isn't the reason for low birth rate. It's over work and over taxation.
also women are becoming too picky with men, they all chase the 9's 10's and reject and "friend zone" everyone else so guys become frustrated and tired and don't even bother. Sex games and virtual girlfriends are just an scape from the hard reality, no one would prefer a fake digital woman over a real one.
I would add way too expensive housing to low birth rate. How you would be able to raise children in rental apartment or paying mortgage for a house which would take half of our income after taxes for at least 20 years?
@@morisnakus6108 Ya right? I interviewed with a J-company months ago. Everything was good but the pay. I understand J- company just like a US company does pay much less than certain types of overseas contracting jobs. A brand new 2nd LT in the Army fresh from college/military academy makes much more than what they were offering. Talking about low-balling in the Japanese economy. If I took that job and was cute enough with better linguistic skills I would have to work as a host to make ends meet.
Slaves had babies, and they worked more and were taxed more (100%).
Every healthy man has a strong urge to sleep with a woman. Every healthy man.
Always remember it's a trap.. they don't want you.. they just want your money and a chance to abuse you and get away with it coz they are women.. all this honey calling is a trap.. let them approach Men and Men will decide from now on..
Nowadays, the difficulty and risk of pursuing a woman greatly outweigh the reward - sex.
Society always complains against men in this affair, but nobody says anything about feminine hypergamy and hibristophilia vortex. That's the Real cause why men prefer to move on.
That's basically women liking the bad boys.
Its funny how instead of treating men better to make them approach, they simply start shaming and bullying.
As a guy from the UK, this video has shown me that the Japanese people are very astute. They all took the time to pause and think about the questions. Then reply with a calm and rational answer. I love this.
Over here, such questions would have impulsive and contradictory replies.
I wish people here were more like Japan and have pause, a thought process with a sensible answer.
Great video 👍
Lol not at all. One even said she likes to be approached so she can she say she doesn't like them. That comes across as astute?
Introversion is seen as positive in Japan, I'm also from the Uk and you're seen as weird if you're not constantly babbling away.
Another problem with dating is a lot of women are more intrested in "how many pension plans do you have?"". How much do you make?". Do you own a house? What? You don't own a house! Do you at least own a condo? If you don't the date/interveiw is over!!!!
True, japanese women arent good, they better go to other asian countries to find wife
Amen to that. From a woman
01:03 that explains everything. Above average guy in looks is pursuing and below average is not. That's all you have to know: 95% is looks. The smaller, sub 5 guy has no chance whatever he does.
Yup, how has anyone not mentioned this? Maybe they aren't familiar with looks in Asia. The taller guy is a solid 7, maybe better, has a more masculine face and broader frame. The shorter guy is a 4, maybe a bit less, looks feminine and delicate. I bet if they did a survey herbivores would be statistically shorter and lighter than carnivores (few young Japanese men are fat, so lighter because they'd be small framed and without muscles). I'd suspect the same in America, although we'd have a lot more fat herbivores.
I can only speak as a american...I am a handsome physician, divorced. I meet so many girls but I am reluctant to engage. I feel there is no longer a commitment for long term with women today. In the US over 80% of divorces are filed by women, this shows that the vows taken for a life long commitment only mean until I find someone else. My parents were ww2 generation they were married for 50 yrs happily. Seems women just jump off the train when times get hard....so I dont have faith in them to stay in a committed relationship for life so I dont even want to start.
Stay single, brotha.. the juice ain't worth the squeeze
There must, however, be a history behind your divorce. Have you worked on YOUR part of it? It usually takes two to tango...
@@yvonnehorde1097 The wife met a different guy while she was with me and tried to hide it.........
@@yvonnehorde1097just look at dojocho1894‘s post…..there it Tool three to tango……
They only want you coz of handsome
If you are a guy that isn't physically attractive, you learn that even your best efforts will result in rejection because you know women are only going to respond to those who are "pretty" boys so to speak. I am elderly now and I am not afraid to speak about it. When I grew up in the 1960s, I started getting acne that never went away 100 percent. I have struggled my entire life with it. Other than that, I am physically strong and in good shape, but when I was young, I exercised in the extreme. I kept myself fit and strong at all times. Because of acne, not only did I not have many friends, I wasn't a part of any activity that involved other people, especially girls. Girls naturally are attracted to good looking boys of which I was not. So, my case is extreme compared to what these Japanese ladies are speaking of, but I suspect it is the same issue is involved but just not like me. These average guys most likely learned early on that they would be rejected by girls who are holding out for the bigger better deal so to speak. Their only chance is to obtain wealth before they ever get to first base with a woman. So, there is no sense in wasting time and effort on any woman that will not even say hello to you. If a woman will not even look you in the eye, you have already been rejected.
And men using logic know, if i have to have money to bang? Why not so go to a hooker?
It is all about self confidence
And if you obtain wealth, stay the hell away from women who’ll just drain you of it.
@@peppersanches412 No it isn't. Research proves that good looking people earn more, have happier lives, and so on.
I hope you didn't have the same standards as these women rejecting you supposedly just for your looks. Did you approach less attractive women on your level and below(in your eyes)? I think a lot of these lonely guys could date less attractive women, but don't bother.
So the problem is both sides prefer to be herbivores now, because being a carnivore is too much trouble.
And it's true, pursuing a person who you don't even know or trust, is complicated, unrewarding and humiliating.
People are not stupid and there is a reason that they stopped trying.
It's better for people to focus on themselves and try to find their own happiness, and not focus on other people who just stress them out.
True
With prostitution being legal and somewhat culturally appropriate, I guess MGTOW is working in Japan.
I think the older gentleman has is right. Women like being the final decision maker. They want men to put themselves out there, but the men have the burden of rejection. If women felt more rejection, that might be more understanding to the men. Porn is an interesting aspect, since there’s no rejection from porn. So I can see why it would contribute.
Women got dumped all the time for younger women FOR CENTURIES 😂 usually after marriage and kids. Women are constantly rejected NOW for their looks.
@@1Skorpia Key point: "After marriage and kids."
if it was like that where I live too, sigh @@1Skorpia
@@1Skorpiafor their looks?….ok, and what‘s the problem?……being rejected, sorry mentoo, but we don‘t complain……
My Chinese wife and I - I am Caucasian American male - celebrated our 50th wedding anniversary, Sept. 2023. But obviously we are a different generation. All info I have heard these past ten years, too many Asian women now are under the fem___ spell. Used to be many Asian women made wonderful wives. Now, it seems, materialism and promiscuity have them as bad as Western women. But, I still hear many Philippine women are worth the risk.
I loved the way the interviewees try to be honest. wish there were videos like this when I was young - it would have speeded up my development by years. Thank god for the Internet now.
Seeing how confidently most of the girls answer they want to be pursued because they can't be bothered, don't have the confidence or feel it would be embarassing for them is plain sad. They don't think of it as "I should better myself to gather courage and build my confidence" like boys often have to, just "what a shame they don't give me what I want". But they get still engagement nevertheless, so it's just how things are.
Men and women are wired differently. That’s why they wait on us to make the first move. It’s just how things are.
@@andrebaxter4023 Nah that's bullshit, it's just cultural. Depending on where you're from women will be more or less active, more or less aggressive. The famous Parisian girl is not afraid of asking men out or just flirting. Scandinavian women are famous for that as well. The more equal a culture is, the more active women will be. Since Japan still has tremendous gender inequalities, and a culture that is still very macho - while not being able to provide the means for men to be men thanks to an economy in crisis - then of course women will be more inclined to do nothing. So if men stop asking out, nothing happens...
Also, it seems Japanese people (men in particular) don't know how to flirt and seduce. The culture can be so rigid, even in the way people move with their body, that the "fluidity" of seduction is very hard, which for herbivores probably means it's a bother they don't really need to do anymore thanks to technological progress.
@@andrebaxter4023 I've had a girl make the first move and date me, it was my first love in fact. Pretty sure it is not brain structure, just a social trait getting exploited.
@@andrebaxter4023No. These are socialized traits. Men & women have the same variety of personalities - no differences. It is social conditioning that imbues us with which roles to play. This isn’t innate, but learned. Modern society has been changing faster than adaptations to these old constructs.
@@johnnyc.31 Men and women literally have different bodies, brains, hormones and motivations. Their personalities are NOT the same lol.
I love the old guys response, basically, we didin't think about stupid shit like this back in my day and we had men and women only, not all this other stupid shit we have now
he also didnt have to fear getting arrested and losing absolutely everything. He could just go and say - hello how are you?
|try it these days and you wont even make it back to your house before, you already been charged for SA, fired from your job and so on.
Simple reality. Unless Stephen is gunn follow me with a camera and also be witness in court, every time I do get accused of SA, for simply existing
It's just easier to not go out there and let yourself be judged. For many decades, if not centuries, your parents married you off and you really had no decision in the matter because the lineage had to be carried by someone. This worked well enough, but now that we don't have this anymore, you have a bunch of men than come from a long line of men that were married off and never had to struggle to find a wife because it was forced upon them.
So we have a large swath of men that don't have "flirting" in their genes and those men, even if they don't admit it, have feelings - and one of those feelings is being hurt when being rejected or just fear about being hurt. And that fear is so strong and basically makes them think that not pursuing a woman is better than being rejected - because being rejected basically means "I do not think what you have is nearly enough to bring value to my life" which is a judge of character and wealth, and nobody can really hear that once or even more than once and not be depressed.
Couple this with the chance that even if you are successful, you could be cheated on or later divorced and lose everything, makes pursuing women a lose/lose situation. And when there is so much entertainment to basically sedate you, from video games to corn, why should you ever put yourself out thre to get yourself hurt in a lose/lose situation?
I met a Japanese woman when I was studying in Taiwan. She was the most open direct person I’ve ever met, she would scare away a lot of Japanese men though, stemming from her aggressive nature.
She was great to hang out with.
Can I have her number 😂
@@maffbuckley600 you're outta her league brotha. she meant to stay single till her late 30s or early 40s. until then she's gonna use and dump you maybe even get pregnant with a child for that sweet sweet child support. Lotsa women prefer being a single mother for some weird reason. More government benefits i guess.
@@BxBxProductions You usually do not get married to earn child support. You can make more money even as a woman in Japan without having children or getting married. Often, divorce comes in Japan when women get older. The lives of Japanese couples often are extremely separated. Japanese men work a lot. Japanese women mostly stay at home with the kids. Not many have a job, and if they do, they often work part time. The women take care of the house and the kids, while the men work. When the men retire, women and men find out that they have nothing i. common any more. Men are only in the way and do not really know what to do with themselves, now that their work has ended. Women still have the grandchildren they often take care of and do social work. The men do not contribute much any more. They do not work, they do not help, they just sit in front of their computer or their tv, and that is not very attractive to the women. That is why they often separate once the kids are out of the house.
@@yvonnehorde1097 blah blah men bad blah blah blah men still bad blah blah...
women make more money when theyre single and on child support/alimony. top that off with a solid career, a woman could be making crazy amounts in a year.
@@BxBxProductions There's no way you read what he said and said "blah blah" , you must be a kid, probably 16 years old or younger. In that case, you have no real opinion on this matter, go live life then maybe you can have a say.
The older Japanese man 'there were men, and there were women. We never through of these things."
Aa a herbivore I am just bored of running after self cenrered child like women. From now on I am happy with my dog!
Old & 36 years married now, but I do recall feeling that way. I felt (& still feel) that a mature woman should not dismiss a man that simply states interest and asks if there is a way to meet (with respect for her safety, by public space or her friend along). In my time, there was no enabling(?) internet, and no 'dating apps', though perhaps the nonsense on the internet makes for little present tech advantage.
A shame, but in my age it seemed the 'successful' men were either v.good looking or v.glib. These don't help much in the actual relationship. What I did see was a change in gender selection value by age; by mid-late 20's most women look to marry, though they deny it. Most know their looks, fertility and time-in-the-sun (roughly 16-to-25, generally) is growing short. A guy who looked to his career, avoided substance abuse, was stable & decent, and NOT a player was sought. But no need to then take on a female mess, an over-used basket case, just because she's pretty and interested. Better be selective (which is not the same as just 'picky').
Perhaps as a seeming younger version of self, I offer good luck.
@@edhuber3557 Dating apps do not provide benefits, on the contrary, they kill us even more. Because Women receive a ton of attention with the illusion of choice. Their crown reaches the sky.
And let's be honest, in real relationships, appearance plays a secondary role, I give way to sympathy in communication. Oh, it would be better if these applications did not exist at all, in the form in which they are now.
I’m not at all interested in looking at her tattooed butt and reading that her hobby is traveling and “developing.” After thousands of similar cards, any guy will plunge into despair. It's like diving into a barrel of feces looking for a diamond that isn't there.
Its global, not just japan. The juice is not worth the squeeze thats all.
Women in the old days were, not the modern ones.
You should put a comma after "were not" because otherwise you're not making a statement at all by saying modern ones aren't from the old days.
@@bushy9780 ok corrected thanks...
Back in my day we didn't think about stuffing that. Men were men and women were women, quote of the decade right there.
Of course they want sex, but this is not happening just in japan. It is also happening everywhere including the U.S. They say 1 in 3 men in the U.S are virgins or haven't had sex in the past year and it is slowly and steadily rising. I blame social media, technology, video games, etc. This younger generation are lost, distracted, etc., a lot of them can't even communicate properly because they are so consumed with their phones. The cultural pressure in Japan probably makes this even more problematic with the work culture, pressure to perform, etc. They probably don't have any hope or see any reason to pursue marriage.
Go to latin america. 👍
@@Ogassodisagree. That's changing there too. Religion is terrible there. No divorce or contraception. Women forced to be miserable in marriages pumping out kids they don't want. That's changing rapidly. Girls are pursuing career and no marriage OR getting married with 1 or 2 kids. Even then it's a huge risk since many men cheat or don't pull their weight. Latin men are notorious for not doing enough in relationships but demanding to be treated like kings. They don't help around the house, help with kids nor treat their wives with respect. Many are abusive. So women are no longer interested in marriage or kids.
I find it really weird how predictable women's preferences are. I mean we say women like all sorts of men, but... honestly it seems like they like the exact same personality archetypes, tall, dominant, etc. Same answers every single time, it's boring. If men didn't pursue them, we'd essentially go extinct. That's how low their desire is by default. It's weird.
Women are already saying no to marriage and kids . We already there😂
Need to go back to old ways of Japan. Parents to decide who kids marry. End of story.
@@1Skorpiagood, that means less women like you in the next generation. Never seen a woman so proud of being a genetic dead end. Wouldn't date a women with a metality like you.
globalization and feminism.
@@QWERTY-gp8fd Japanese are too complexed and obscessed with bullsh-t to marry. It's greed at heart. They want to be 3rd best economy, so let them be. Regardless they will fall from that place as Indians and others take over. They like this. Let them have it. People are free to choose.
come on too strong it gets labeled as sexual harrassment or being a creep. in a world of evergrowing feminism and wokeness the rejection and the trouble ain't even worth the shot anymore. why bother when u know her answer gonna be "i have a bf"😂😂😂
You're lucky if all she says is I have a boyfriend. Whether she's telling the truth or not, its a polite way of saying she's not interested.
The elders in these types of interviews always have some of the best answers.
They mostly dont' get it. Men don't care more and more about women because of modern female behaviors. Yes some are like timid or shy or scared by them, but a lot of guys who do not approach I believe just don't care much about them and prefer concentrate on themselves.
Yep women are just wasting our time
Such a difficult question, since most of the relationships don't depend on men, men can't just force through it, u know? Most of guys don't go after women because it's a wast of time and money, since they know how it's going to end they are just taking a shortcut.
Im in my mid 50s now and couldnt say how many times ive been rejected in my courting years....and in those days it was face to face....no texting....
Having been married 3 times , i understand how they feel ... relationships are hard on a person , woman are careless now ...
The reasons is mostly stress combined with social anxiety / shyness .... People that is not shy or do not have social anxiety have absolutely no idea how it is.
truth❤
The problem with pursuing Japanese women who show no interest is that when things go bad, they'll always come back with, "YOU were the one interested in ME. Leave me alone. I never asked to be with you. YOU pursued ME." Plus, of course, if a woman doesn't like you, she could say you're harrassing her. You just have to go with the flow.
Men no longer interested in women - arguably Japan's most successful export to date.
It has become all the craze around the world.
Worrying John Calhoun's mouse utopia experiments come to mind where a mouse society nurtured under ideal conditions at a certain point simply stopped breeding and went extinct.
Однако в модели мышиного общества изобилия не было государства и корпораций, которые постоянно что-то от вас требуют. Хе-хе...
"I believe we're basically here to get married and continue our lineage" Thanks old guy. Not me...
When we all break that lineage we implode as a species.
@@FHIPrincePeter there is no such thing as an infinite growth model.
@@strifelife4003…and there is no Need for an unfinite growth model too…..
@@rainermuller.. had we kept going at the same rate we were we would have been too much of a burden on the earth sooner than later
Surprised no one has given this answer yet... women have entered the workforce.
Men in Japan definitely wants girlfriends or sexual partners but they are tired of being accused for some harassment or "average" men standards from women. They also have a plenty of other options to deal with their desires like anime, idols, porns or some other contents.
What other contents, please?
@@maryg5982 Non-sexual contents, hobbies for example.
And brothels/escorts
In addition to some of the other comments here which are fairly on point, I feel another reason is there are more nerd/geek/otaku men these days globally. Many of us in this category lack confidence, and experience. We more often get bullied which kills our confidence. We get a lot of rejections, which also kills our confidence. When we think of pursuing, we get extremely anxious, and over think. We then assume the person would never be interested in us, label us a creep, or claim harassment. Thus we tend to give up early and easily. Thus we end up doing other things, rather than pursuing women.
Anime tends to get it fairly right in a lot of ways, with the exception that it is overly exaggerated, and they end up with the girl in the end anyway.
People haven't lost interest in sex, they are just socially insecure. I think it is also related to low fertility as children with siblings naturally learn dealing with others easier than an only child.
Because I am not actively persue girls just for looks, I may be counted as herbivore,too. I want to find compatibility first as friends and then go more if it is there. But I also always had problems approaching new people socially. In university classes, I have zero problems talking confident about topics that interest me but in social situations, I have no idea what to start with and what to say
Japan has too many complexes. They're still fine and a protected, rich society. First world problems.
I agree. Also the standards for relationships probably increased. E.G. I do not want a relationship where I would constantly fight with my partner, because we would have so many different views.
@@GiGaSzS indeed. It is kinda hard to find people you share many things with especially in real life if one isn't great in socialising and has a big pool of friends already.
In regard to arguing in general, I think people (not just young ones) are too ready to leave their partners and are too unwilling to compromise or to seriously talk about about the problems honestly and what the origin is. People often assume something about their partners feelings. But of course, it's something different when it already happens in the beginning and there is nothing you share. I never understood why people get into such relationships to begin with anyways?
Relationship is work... work with a lot of overtime.
When women say they want the man to be more aggressive, what they really mean is: Why don't the "CUTE" guys be more aggressive....because they don't have to. Because women will chase the "CUTE" guys.
I think humans generally have overestimated our importance. No one thought a time would come when men would not think it was worth the effort to engage with women for companionship, family or sex. Talk about social constructs. Really scary times. I shudder at the impact such changes would have on society as a whole.
Yeah. I feel like it's either the beginning of some kind of evolutionary change or the beginning of our downfall, maybe both.
Homo Sapiens will eventually be replaced. By machine , evolution, and made biological humanoids. Homo Sapiens are only here to be replaced.
honestly its quite simple, its too much hassle women need to lower stands and stop being so much hard work. no one wants to come home from work and have to deal with problems at home too. until women change men will focus on finding things to them content.
Just because you're socially risky doesn't mean you're shy
I think the major issues here are that men are so tired from work they lack energy to make friends and they work so many hours for so little pay that they can't make relationships. However, they also want relationships so this causes the problem at hand
good luck to make friends at tokyo after a day of work office as japanese man lol
This is not just a japanese phenomenon.
What I will write applies across the world, not just Japan. and this is; in our human species, some young men are simply born adept at chasing the opposite sex, and some are NOT. They might be introverted, wrongly raised or focused on their profession. But, in the past marriage was considered essential for practical reasons, so in all societies there were social mechanisms which could be used to find partners for the men which were not good at it themselves. Here, the community played a role of a mediator and filter of suitable partners.
In the past, you could say there was a pragmatic distribution of sex and partnerships. point wasnt necessarily to be happy, but in the process everyone got something, more of less.
This clearly worked and guaranteed sturdy demograpic even with wars deseases and famine.
But with the changes in culture, this social mechanism for matching introverts disappeared and now its only up to one's private initiative - something we as a species have not been adapted to for a long time.
So now, some are getting a boatload of it, but a lot are also left out to dry.
and if you add to this legal social and economic costs of failed relationships (which can easily fail, unlike in the past) you get why so many men are simply giving up.
In the past the parents match made and the men had to work or fight, women were either home makers or sex workers, even some starting sex work as kids ("kamuro" and "maiko"). Now they have money, they need to work because who doesn't and they are not yet Western in mindset but feudal with an imposition of consumerism.
Да нет смысла даже начинать.
One thing that I've noticed since moving to Japan is that guys are definitely WAY more shy. No school boys ever talk to school girls, despite all of them saying they want a girlfriend. In general, Japanese guys are really quiet and kind of effeminite. They'd mostly rather be seen as cute than masculine. A lot of it has to do with the rise of K-Pop culture here in Japan. Very different from the West, where men are idealized in media as very masculine, strong heroes.
Should お見合い結婚 make a comeback?
Men WERE idealized in the West. It's not the case anymore. In popular movies men are usually portrayed as Mega Chads or loosers. There are almost no cases of "in between". This gives the impression that men should either be Hot or Wealthy. I think it was Tinder's data that showed Women rate 80% of males as "below average" which proves that being "average" is disadvantegous if You're a man.
I'm kinda worried that rapid AI development will cause even bigger decline in birth rates in western society. Giving women access to a partner that is always avaible. Always tries his best. Understands / knows You better than even You do. Who looks and sounds like George Clooney on Your phone. Women are often sapiosexual therefore it's gonna be very hard to compete with "near perfect partners" that will be avaible at the push of a button (and a subscription fee + microtransaction store for better looks, voices, outfits and even extra virtual date scenarios. Business is gonna be booming)
They jerk off to little anime girls in anime and manga. That promotes pedophilia. So maybe many of these guys are closet pedos, I don't know.
I don't think this will solve the problem@@hananokuni2580
white men are shown as fembois here in america
At the same way Girls are afraid of being rejected the Boys fill the same, stop playing games... if you like the person you must make the first movement
or at least be receptive. Being coy is ok for about 3 minutes, then say "yeah, I'll meet you there".
Most women arent programmed to court or go after the man.
I think there needs to be some kind of middleman that helps shy people get together. They could let the girl know the guy is interested and she could say yes or no. In the old days parents would set their kids up with someone so there needs to be a replacement to fill that void.
Modern day dating apps are middlemen. Women just mostly refuse to match with their equivalent because of better available choices or inflated ego, so they mostly don't work.
@@maximumjongs I should have been more specific. I mean an actual person providing a service. Apps either hide guy's interest or women get flooded with messages most of which are weird and creepy. Plus many more reasons why an app is a terrible way to meet people.
@@clinton4161 It wouldn't change anything because women don't want a shy man, not even the shy women. I don't blame you for thinking this way but it's a failure of understanding the situation.
It's along the same vein of saying that the economy is difficult nowadays so why not create a middle man that gets men and women of poor economic situations together since it will benefit them both to live under a dual income household? This fails to understand that women simply don't want men of poor economic situations. Women don't want men of poor anything whether it's money or confidence or anything else. Women want men that are better than themselves so trying to pair men and women based of any similarity is generally not going to work, the man always has to be better
@@maximumjongssame goes for old men going after young women half their age. That's been a thing for CENTURIES 😂
@@sleeper9638disagree. Women love a shy man if he's ATTRACTIVE. It brings out the nurse/mothering aspect in her. Does he "look weak" tho. Or is he sickly looking or skinny. Women want men with muscles that can take care of them and take charge. She wants to respect him.
They are all so common sense and thoughtful in their answers.
yh comparing this to american college kids answering these questions with their nonsense its refreshing to see such common sense takes on reality.
It sucks that there's such a double standard that "the man must do the pursuing". And when asked why not they say "it's too embarrassing, and I dont have the confidence" Don't you think the men probably feel the same way? lol
Stop believing that bs when they say women are more intelligent or more empathetic. They don't give a fck about anyone else.
How are men supposed to make a first move in a world of #MeToo where they are unsure how they should even approach it.
Me too started with commies in the US, but they are poisoning Asia.
Translation, why don't the %1 of top men want me.
People would probably call me a Herbivore man. The problem, at least for me, isn't about being timid, rather, that conversations with women just lead to no where. You have to put in all of the effort and then will very often just ultimately be ignored. After a while it just gets boring and you just go and see what else life has going on. I can have more stimulating conversations with non-romantic relationships and can still get physical needs met without all the hassle so.
In ths US, men run the risk of being called a Creeper, Stalker, or can be accused of sexual harrasment. Just the accusation can ruin a career.
Why risk it?
I have been single for 10 years now after a divorce. I have no intentions of getting involved in another relationship... As i said above, it's just not worth the risk of making the first move.
Take the risk. You will be surprised they are not all bad.
@@FHIPrincePeter baseless claim
As the Senior gentleman expressed, when the society is peaceful, advanced, opportunities for personal growth are many then the thoughts/desires around an intimate relationship can be substituted to some degree. This is especially true when the costs of those relationships are high.
Today, a man has to be very very careful with women. To many stories where women reported men of sexual harassment and in the end - the women just lied about it. On the other hand, our kids did learned from our mistakes. Especially my son. He tells right away his girl that he won’t get married. He watched how my relationships got sour because my ladies couldn’t get enough: bigger house, greater vacation, new car every year. I just had enough from being just the work horse for my wife. So I left. So my son said a couple years ago: “Dad. You don’t drink. You worked always hard. And still it wasn’t enough for my mom. I won’t waste my years to experience the same.” Another aspect for young men today? In our days, a couple flowers or a box of chocolate did the trick. Today the girls like to get the newest cellphones as presents or designer clothes. That’s by far too expensive. So if you blame the young men - please put the bigger blame on the women who can’t get enough. And I am not starting with all the trouble a woman is bringing to a man. I am again in a relationship for 4 years. But my son likes what he sees now. I just tell my woman at the beginning and every couple weeks when she is demanding something: If you don’t like it. There is the door. I will not accept any more demanding women in my life! So I do understand young men who like to live their lives without a shouting woman on their side. We have only 1 life to live. I did learn that the hard way. But I learned. 😊
Hi there. I want to share my own thoughts on this. I can currently consider myself an "herbivore" since I don't even want to think about it anymore. BUT I have not always been like that- I became tired of putting a lot of effort and not having any good outcoming, so I just "quitted" going after women and then I decided it was better for me to not even think about them at all, cause when you desire something that you can't achieve, you will suffer a lot, will get crazy and eventually will end up doing some crazy stuff.
Here's my story: I'm already in my 50's and never got married. By the time I was 40 I already got tired of "trying" and never have any success. I had been going after every girl that I was crazy for - BUT ONLY those few ones I was really crazy for. No success. No love, no "lived happy ever after". I just got one girlfriend who at the end happened to be a psychopath who just wanted to play some crazy sh¡t on her ex-boyfriend -who I discovered was a friend of mine- while having a good time and lots of sex out of me while also literally living on me. And apart from that crazy thing, no girlfriend at all. A total desert.
I tried and tried, did some sports and Gym to improve my looks, had a college degree and an average job as junior accountant/advisor (which also went finally bad) , and even spent 1000$ on a marriage agency and had probably spent another 1000$ in different dating websites by the time I was 38 with no good result. So in fact I did what girls tell us to do: to be the ones who "pursue" them... so what happened? What was wrong? Am I a monster or what?
I believe my lack of success in that matter may probably come from the fact that I might well be Asperger's, although I have no official diagnose on it (but I do have one on Social Anxiety). The point is: its is NOT MY FAULT that I might be Asperger's, and I can't do anything about it. I have tried to be the best kind of person possible with the limitations that I have, but it didn't bring any profit. I suspect women are not attracted by people like me, just as they are not attracted to shy guys, even when we do our best and put a lot of effort from our side to do what men are supposed to do according to girls.
So first of all stop putting the blame on us guys. We do our best. I can assure you. But not all of us are so "assertive" or self-secure. I wish I was!
Second: If I have been "pursuing" girls (only those I REALLY was crazy for) then it's something else that fails here, because I did my "job" as a "carnivore".
Third and final: What else am I supposed to do? The only thing left for me to do is to just get women and sex out of mi mind, or else I'll end up going crazy and shooting myself in the head. You tell me!
They want the bad bald tatooed guy for fun and the rich to settle down
Peace of mind is more valuable than loneliness or sex. Not that I don’t want sex. That’s why we pay them. It’s not for the sex or time. It’s so they will leave peacefully.
No one should be under any illusions when it comes to Japanese and relationships. Not just parents who interfere in any possible unions BUT make demands that are in many instances impossible to meet, those demands made deliberately by the parents who don't want the relationship etc.. Many instances where the guys (or girls) will agree to dates (date, time, place etc) BUT one or both will NOT turn up etc. FACT. They feel absolutely NO guilt etc at 'standing up' the other person involved who could be optimistically waiting for HOURS ... Demands in relationships can border on obsession. One or both demanding the other person tells them where they are, who they are meeting, talking to, AND that can be constantly ie tweeting the other person to the point of madness... Guys who are caught up in the workplace scenario have to answer to the female to the extent it becomes humiliating OR damaging to their work life etc.. Japanese guys have reached the point where relationships are NO longer worth the constant hassle, the strain on whatever little time they have apart from working... especially when they are working EXTREME hours leaving them a few to rest up etc! FACT. It should be noted that S Korea has the same problems. Until their societies change, that the old men in the diet AND Japanese big businesses don't continue to abuse and exploit their workers especially the males.. this is only going to get worse.
I can confidently say that S Korea is not the same issue as Japan. In S Korea, it is the women who have turned herbivorous and not the men. It is the opposite of Japan.
so it's like anywhere in the first world country
While we are asking questions, I think some questions aren't being asked. I think the rise of technology, birth control, and the rise in gyno-centric thought in society are also factors. I'm not saying that women need to be second class citizens. I'm concerned that we've over-compensated for women.
The extreme work culture also does not help young people find dates since they are exhausted whenever they don't work.
А культура свиданий превратилась в изнурительные собеседования при приеме на работу или в женщин, пытающихся просто получить еду и подарки бесплатно.
В поколении моей матери считалось бы недостойным принять что-то, чтобы не быть обязанным, но у современных женщин нет совести, а есть только желание потреблять. Наличие времени и денег сегодня уже не поможет.
@@FADNaR spend a day of work just to spend it on a few hrs with a woman over and over again. Dating is useless and outdated in todays age if you ask me.
Men more than women became options because of the dating apps and I think men grow tired of running after women who enjoy them pursuing them, especially on this times of low self esteem. So I think men grow tired of being used to give that boost. I think the more honest way is to get to know each other, manifest interest and see if it’s reciprocated. If yes continue the danse together. It take one to chase, it take two to dance
Nothing wrong being Herbo. Thing is its up to both to show signals that they are interested not only up to the man .
Women CLEARLY show signals when they're into a guy. They smile alot, giggle, fix their hair continue conversation staring at him facing him..if a women doesn't do a few of these things shes not into him. Especially if she won't look at him.
Skopia, you described a child, not a woman.
@PhucDat8964 They can't speak the truth. What I mean, is that they can't speak out their real feelings and thoughts, and that radiates into everything they do. All they do is SIGNAL and think the universe will work for them.
@@rolandmarkland6844 Look she blinked at him while he was looking at the other way. She wants him so much😂
Relationships are exhausting when you have a serious career. I don’t have energy to have the wild dates some people might be expecting.
As Gen X who has experienced more than my fair share of relationships and sex and being currently married I would just say the following; it's a lot of work and like a box of chocolates you never know what you're going to get. I can go online with minimal effort and find EXACTLY what I want. So I mean cost benefit analysis. It's rather rational from a time and cost management standpoint to be a Herbivore. Plus the internet won't divorce you and take half of everything you worked for.
Pretty simple: Japanese women rather not date for while or knowingly share a man with other women than dating the below 20%. So for those 80% men, what's the point?
It would be interesting to show the statistics of how many women some men date at the same time: I doubt the women won't change their behaviour and start to initiate a relationship if they had limited prospects of having a date