If I recall, didn't Churchill make the decision that no information decoded from enigma could be used unless a cover story for how they obtained it was prepared in advance? The Idea being that the Germans would never have any doubt Enigma was unbreakable and that other means of secrecy were at fault.
My next door neighbour kept her secret for years but by the time I met her had told her friends and family what she did , as a young WREN she contacted the Royal Navy to inform them when a U boats location was known, I believe the U boat often expected a friendly supply vessel, and would find instead a Royal Navy destroyer. They were very young and absolutely tight lipped , desperate times. What a responsibility.
From what I understand, the Official Secrets Act was absolutely no joke, and anyone whose work fell under its purview were committed to taking that knowledge to their graves. The Silent Generation mostly just buried their war experiences and went on with their lives. Talk about patriotism.
If I recall correctly Monti used it to plan Operation Market Garden. But fail to do real on the ground intelligence gathering, like actual German units in Holland.
Great movie that further committed a great crime of omitting an important person from history. Their leaving out Gordon Welchman was just a repeat of history...by finally telling everyone about Alan Touring to give him the credit he deserved, they just left Welchman out to dry. Not only was he the head of Bletchley Park's most important team, HE was the one that invented the Diagonal Board that made tourings machine fast enough to actually break the code AND it was his team that figured out the key words to look for to crack Enigma. This movie made it out like it was Touring that did it all.
There is also the issue of foundation work. And, it's necessary to avoid propaganda, especially about something of that importance, as Enigma. The true question is, how long would it take, and how many lives would be lost, if the Allies had to do the foundation work for the decryption machine itself, on their own. It took seven years, to create a functioning basis for Bletchley Park to carry on. Many would-be "historians" avoid one, specific fact about Bletchley Park's success. The groundwork, made by three Polish mathematicians from 1932 to June 1939 - Marian Rejewski, the author of a cryptologic bomb, Jerzy Rozycki - author of the "clock method", that allowed the "bomb" to find a precise "copy" of "Enigma" settings, and last but not least, Henryk Zygalski, the one who made decryption possible, repeatable and predictable. Without those three, it would take much longer to break Enigma - it would be necessary to find another method, check it, make corrections, and make it work. Bletchley Park did its job. But, the widely unknown, unsung heroes of this success, are three young Poles, who made it possible.
I think I disagree with you guys. You both clearly know a lot about the subject, perhaps even learned about these things before the movie came out, but I would hope you guys could acknowledge that they can not put everyone who played a pivotal role in breaking Enigma into the movie; they had to draw the line SOMEWHERE . But the point I think you guys are missing is that the movie inspired an entire legion of students, like myself, who wanted to learn more about this story, and it is solely due to this movie that I read Welchman’s book and learned about the groundbreaking work the Poles did prior to Bletchley, work that was undeniably indispensable in enabling the allies to break Enigma in the truncated time frame they did. But I also think the screenwriters were cognizant of the fact that many historians would be disappointed at some of the heroes that were left out, which I believe is why thy attempted to market more as a Turing biography than a historiography of breaking Enigma. So although I can definitely understand why you’re piqued at who was left out of the film, I’m certain that the majority of them are MUCH more well known today simply because the film was made in the first place.
That was taken out of their hands pretty quickly. Churchill was the one who ultimately bears that burden of the millions he had to let die to keep this secret. But Churchill was unafraid of throwing bodies at a battle to win so I doubt he really suffered any concern.
It's gravely ironic, yet typically German, that they developed one of the most sophisticated RNG machines... and they ruined it by their idiosyncrasy of ending ALL of their messages with HEIL HITLER! German genius ruined by German habit.
( 2:43 ) "All these Code Breakers" ( 2:52 ) "Code Breaking factory". ( 3:30 ) "Code Breakers" ( 3:34 ) "We're going to break an unbreakable Nazi code and win the war". I love this highlights video ! ! ! ! ! !
The idea that the recruited chess champions people who solved crossword puzzles is a but romantised. Yes there was an intance where they looked for potential recruits through a crossword puzzle but they soon found out that people who are good at crosswords arent necessairly good at code cracking. All that being said the work as Bletchley Park is some of the most groundbraking and unknown aspects of the second world war and what the English government did to Alan Turing is so criminally underrecognised
Французы ничего не могли думать потому что долго не сопротивлялись немцам, французская армия перестала существовать, а политическое и военное руководство капитулировало.
By my estimation, based on the number of people who died after they cracked the enigma code. Approximately 10 million people were likely sacrificed to keep this secret.
"We won the war" should be revised to We helped win the war. The Russians took on a lot more Germans than the western allies. They did the heavy lifting. By the way, terrible ending with AT feeling sorry for himself.
Russia would have lost if not for America entering the war and destroying the western front. Imagine what would have happened to Russia if they could have just sent their troops from the west into the east...lol...that is not saying Russia did nothing, but to say that they did all the heavy lifting is asinine. They did what they had to do because they were being massacred.
R13h D I know makes me laugh when they make out communism Soviet Union is the best.. and yet the Soviet Union had USA tanks guns even clothing and food.. because communism is useless that's why! (And I'm not American either)
No one has ever claimed Russia wasn't vital to winning the war so stop making shit up. The reason we don't make films about the Russian war effort is because this isn't Russia.
@@snowflakemelter1172 Do you think Russian movies or books bother to mention how America gave them millions of dollars and tons of materials they needed to make the tanks and other equipment to hold off the Germans and...win? Doubt it.
when i watched this film at school i got so sad and i cried like i loved the film so good:)
Remember... Anything human made can be beat with time.
If I recall, didn't Churchill make the decision that no information decoded from enigma could be used unless a cover story for how they obtained it was prepared in advance? The Idea being that the Germans would never have any doubt Enigma was unbreakable and that other means of secrecy were at fault.
the thing to remember is what happened to turing in the end.....
being destroyed by the country/people that he saved.
Bletchley Park- in history spelling becomes even more important.
My next door neighbour kept her secret for years but by the time I met her had told her friends and family what she did , as a young WREN she contacted the Royal Navy to inform them when a U boats location was known, I believe the U boat often expected a friendly supply vessel, and would find instead a Royal Navy destroyer. They were very young and absolutely tight lipped , desperate times. What a responsibility.
From what I understand, the Official Secrets Act was absolutely no joke, and anyone whose work fell under its purview were committed to taking that knowledge to their graves. The Silent Generation mostly just buried their war experiences and went on with their lives. Talk about patriotism.
If I recall correctly Monti used it to plan Operation Market Garden. But fail to do real on the ground intelligence gathering, like actual German units in Holland.
Great movie that further committed a great crime of omitting an important person from history. Their leaving out Gordon Welchman was just a repeat of history...by finally telling everyone about Alan Touring to give him the credit he deserved, they just left Welchman out to dry. Not only was he the head of Bletchley Park's most important team, HE was the one that invented the Diagonal Board that made tourings machine fast enough to actually break the code AND it was his team that figured out the key words to look for to crack Enigma. This movie made it out like it was Touring that did it all.
There is also the issue of foundation work. And, it's necessary to avoid propaganda, especially about something of that importance, as Enigma. The true question is, how long would it take, and how many lives would be lost, if the Allies had to do the foundation work for the decryption machine itself, on their own. It took seven years, to create a functioning basis for Bletchley Park to carry on.
Many would-be "historians" avoid one, specific fact about Bletchley Park's success.
The groundwork, made by three Polish mathematicians from 1932 to June 1939 - Marian Rejewski, the author of a cryptologic bomb, Jerzy Rozycki - author of the "clock method", that allowed the "bomb" to find a precise "copy" of "Enigma" settings, and last but not least, Henryk Zygalski, the one who made decryption possible, repeatable and predictable. Without those three, it would take much longer to break Enigma - it would be necessary to find another method, check it, make corrections, and make it work.
Bletchley Park did its job. But, the widely unknown, unsung heroes of this success, are three young Poles, who made it possible.
I think I disagree with you guys. You both clearly know a lot about the subject, perhaps even learned about these things before the movie came out, but I would hope you guys could acknowledge that they can not put everyone who played a pivotal role in breaking Enigma into the movie; they had to draw the line SOMEWHERE . But the point I think you guys are missing is that the movie inspired an entire legion of students, like myself, who wanted to learn more about this story, and it is solely due to this movie that I read Welchman’s book and learned about the groundbreaking work the Poles did prior to Bletchley, work that was undeniably indispensable in enabling the allies to break Enigma in the truncated time frame they did. But I also think the screenwriters were cognizant of the fact that many historians would be disappointed at some of the heroes that were left out, which I believe is why thy attempted to market more as a Turing biography than a historiography of breaking Enigma. So although I can definitely understand why you’re piqued at who was left out of the film, I’m certain that the majority of them are MUCH more well known today simply because the film was made in the first place.
Shame it wasn't filmed at Bletchley
i dont think ive ever seen mark strong with hairs before :O
How hard it must have been to choose who lived and who died. Could you do it
No it would be the hardest thing ever risking human lives that man is very strong minded
That was taken out of their hands pretty quickly. Churchill was the one who ultimately bears that burden of the millions he had to let die to keep this secret. But Churchill was unafraid of throwing bodies at a battle to win so I doubt he really suffered any concern.
It's gravely ironic, yet typically German, that they developed one of the most sophisticated RNG machines... and they ruined it by their idiosyncrasy of ending ALL of their messages with HEIL HITLER! German genius ruined by German habit.
My Mother only allows me to say "Heil Hitler!!"
( 2:43 ) "All these Code Breakers"
( 2:52 ) "Code Breaking factory".
( 3:30 ) "Code Breakers"
( 3:34 ) "We're going to break an unbreakable Nazi code and win the war".
I love this highlights video ! ! ! ! ! !
* Bletchley... (facepalm emoji)
The idea that the recruited chess champions people who solved crossword puzzles is a but romantised.
Yes there was an intance where they looked for potential recruits through a crossword puzzle but they soon found out that people who are good at crosswords arent necessairly good at code cracking.
All that being said the work as Bletchley Park is some of the most groundbraking and unknown aspects of the second world war and what the English government did to Alan Turing is so criminally underrecognised
Французы ничего не могли думать потому что долго не сопротивлялись немцам, французская армия перестала существовать, а политическое и военное руководство капитулировало.
By my estimation, based on the number of people who died after they cracked the enigma code. Approximately 10 million people were likely sacrificed to keep this secret.
And saved 14 million more, cause if they saved those ones, they would have changed enigma, and more would've died
And most of them died because Stalin was so paranoid that he wouldn't believe the stuff that was freely given to him.
Weinstein wasn't all bad.
"We won the war" should be revised to We helped win the war. The Russians
took on a lot more Germans than the western allies. They did the heavy lifting.
By the way, terrible ending with AT feeling sorry for himself.
It's not over ! Essentially a Truse will be called , World Peace ! It's just a dream !
Russia would have lost if not for America entering the war and destroying the western front. Imagine what would have happened to Russia if they could have just sent their troops from the west into the east...lol...that is not saying Russia did nothing, but to say that they did all the heavy lifting is asinine. They did what they had to do because they were being massacred.
R13h D I know makes me laugh when they make out communism Soviet Union is the best.. and yet the Soviet Union had USA tanks guns even clothing and food.. because communism is useless that's why! (And I'm not American either)
No one has ever claimed Russia wasn't vital to winning the war so stop making shit up. The reason we don't make films about the Russian war effort is because this isn't Russia.
@@snowflakemelter1172 Do you think Russian movies or books bother to mention how America gave them millions of dollars and tons of materials they needed to make the tanks and other equipment to hold off the Germans and...win? Doubt it.