Flaw in the Enigma Code - Numberphile

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  • @chaslington
    @chaslington 8 ปีที่แล้ว +5473

    The fact that the messages were in German was top level encryption in itself.

    • @jfloresmac
      @jfloresmac 5 ปีที่แล้ว +172

      German is an easy language to learn. It is very regular. You should try it.

    • @Leon_der_Luftige
      @Leon_der_Luftige 4 ปีที่แล้ว +130

      Edigy Maybe on paper. In reality, it really isnt't.

    • @ali-azizimayer-peters6686
      @ali-azizimayer-peters6686 4 ปีที่แล้ว +102

      Ja lern Deutsch ! Das ist echt eine wundervolle Sprache, du musst dich nur an die tollen Endlos-Koffer-Wörter gewöhnen. :D Viel Spaß dabei !

    • @elonmush4793
      @elonmush4793 4 ปีที่แล้ว +151

      English and German are fairly close relatives. It's not like learning Japanese or something like that.

    • @TotalImmort7l
      @TotalImmort7l 4 ปีที่แล้ว +16

      @@jfloresmac i prefer google translate and russian over Deutsch without an `o`.

  • @xXFluffers
    @xXFluffers 8 ปีที่แล้ว +9378

    I love how the germans and british built these complex encryption machines, but the US just plopped two Navajo indians on two ends of a radio line and no one could figure out what they were saying because no one could speak Navajo, and the only way to get someone who could speak Navajo would be to kidnap a Navajo indian, lol

    • @Geographus666
      @Geographus666 8 ปีที่แล้ว +1508

      That is "security by obscurity", which is something you do not want in cryptography.

    • @daniellbondad6670
      @daniellbondad6670 8 ปีที่แล้ว +384

      But Navajo is an extremely difficult to learn language once you learned another one(definitely English and/or Japanese).

    • @daniellbondad6670
      @daniellbondad6670 8 ปีที่แล้ว +243

      Different grammar system and phonology system.

    • @valante7
      @valante7 8 ปีที่แล้ว +460

      Furball: That is so true. I think that in the movie called "Windtalkers" they showed how this was done, but the US armed forces also had a big job of protecting the Navajo Indians from being kidnapped.

    • @dumbcowgomoo8923
      @dumbcowgomoo8923 8 ปีที่แล้ว +265

      I've read a book based on this and yea, they did use a code on top of the language. If I remember correctly they used many words to describe stuff. For example, frog would be for an amphibious vehicle since tadpoles turn into frogs.

  • @yungee3921
    @yungee3921 5 ปีที่แล้ว +585

    I've invented an improvement on the Type X machine where a letter ALWAYS becomes itself! ;-)

    • @pinkponyofprey1965
      @pinkponyofprey1965 4 ปีที่แล้ว +95

      It existed even before the WW I and was known as a typewriter.

    • @arkivelikesmilk6046
      @arkivelikesmilk6046 4 ปีที่แล้ว +68

      This why using 100% of your brain is dangerous

    • @pholzman2918
      @pholzman2918 4 ปีที่แล้ว +19

      :-} There must be a political Enigma machine, politicians never say exactly what they are thinking!

    • @nukehunterlp1371
      @nukehunterlp1371 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Pathetic!

    • @aniruddhalimaye2616
      @aniruddhalimaye2616 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      Ha ha ha great idea !

  • @Kredroth
    @Kredroth 4 ปีที่แล้ว +167

    This has to be one of the simplest ways I’ve seen something so complex being explained. Great video.

  • @Xehemoth
    @Xehemoth 9 ปีที่แล้ว +798

    Even considering the flaw of the Enigma, it is an incredible machine even to this day. It was probably one of the most innovative machines of that time.

    • @KipIngram
      @KipIngram 4 ปีที่แล้ว +29

      It really is absolutely brilliant.

    • @IchWillNichtMehr853
      @IchWillNichtMehr853 4 ปีที่แล้ว +29

      German quality

    • @thebanjo7023
      @thebanjo7023 4 ปีที่แล้ว +19

      Right up until the point a better machine cracked it

    • @LS-Moto
      @LS-Moto 2 ปีที่แล้ว +38

      @@thebanjo7023 There will always be better machines as time goes on. You could crack the type x machine today as well with brute force computer software. It would take about the time of making a cup of coffee to the duration of a comfortable shower. What makes the cracking of Enigme so unique is the fact, that it was done by hands and a manual machine. At that time, this was a huge breakthrough.

    • @legendgames128
      @legendgames128 2 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      And to think that now we could write code (as in C++ or Python) to mimic that same machine or better.

  • @skeetersorenson4909
    @skeetersorenson4909 10 ปีที่แล้ว +3126

    It's so sad what happened to Alan Turing after the war.

    • @frozenfeet4534
      @frozenfeet4534 9 ปีที่แล้ว +21

      ?

    • @skeetersorenson4909
      @skeetersorenson4909 9 ปีที่แล้ว +742

      Garen Crownguard He was found to be homosexual, and was forced to take hormonal medications or something. He committed suicide.

    • @MadMargaretGaming
      @MadMargaretGaming 9 ปีที่แล้ว +334

      Skeeter Sorenson
      It's not known whether it was suicide or accidental poisoning, but he did die from cyanide poisoning.

    • @Audiack
      @Audiack 9 ปีที่แล้ว +127

      Imitation Game = Dramatized Version. It is said that Alan was quite happy with his life.

    • @MadMargaretGaming
      @MadMargaretGaming 9 ปีที่แล้ว +520

      Audiack Alan was probably quite happy before he was forced to ruin his own life.

  • @Quasihamster
    @Quasihamster 7 ปีที่แล้ว +3314

    "The Germans sent a weather report. It was the same every day."
    -An Englishman.

    • @appleslover
      @appleslover 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      ?

    • @Jajdjejwi28
      @Jajdjejwi28 4 ปีที่แล้ว +41

      @@appleslover reference to the blitz

    • @moomoomachines7193
      @moomoomachines7193 4 ปีที่แล้ว +266

      @@appleslover England has the same weather every day.

    • @ShonHarito2
      @ShonHarito2 4 ปีที่แล้ว +15

      I've seen what u did there! AHAHAHA
      Nice one, nice one.

    • @birdy_
      @birdy_ 4 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      Gutes Wetter, ab in den Kampf!

  • @mghyy2846
    @mghyy2846 4 ปีที่แล้ว +168

    As used in practice, the Enigma encryption was broken from 1932 by cryptanalytic attacks from the Polish Cipher Bureau, which passed its techniques to their French and British allies in 1939. Subsequently, a dedicated decryption centre was established by the United Kingdom at Bletchley Park as part of the Ultra program for the rest of the war.

    • @m19710310
      @m19710310 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

      Yeah, for some reason Hollywood doesn't like your addition

    • @PC_Simo
      @PC_Simo 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      Well; at least, for the Army and Air Force. But, apparently, the Polish Cipher Bureau never cracked the Naval Enigma code; which has to make you wonder; why the Germans didn’t adapt the Naval procedure, for the Army and Air Force; after the Poles cracked their original code; since the Naval code was still secure 🤔.

  • @therealzilch
    @therealzilch 9 ปีที่แล้ว +2013

    It's still a bit surprising that the engineers who developed the Enigma, a very sophisticated bit of cryptology, didn't see the flaw of not allowing a letter to represent itself, which seems pretty obvious in hindsight. But I guess people do make mistakes.
    Thanks, James, for this very clear explanation. Lunch is on me if you're ever in Vienna, Hitler's favorite city.

    • @therealzilch
      @therealzilch 8 ปีที่แล้ว +24

      jonesgerard
      While I agree with you, and the Bible, about the dangers of declaring oneself wise, I doubt that Social Darwinism was the cause of this blunder.

    • @therealzilch
      @therealzilch 8 ปีที่แล้ว +60

      jonesgerard
      Yeah, I basically agree, but it's still a puzzling mistake when the Germans were probably the best engineers in the world at that time. Their bad military decisions- invading Russia in winter was another one- are a different sort of error, caused by pride and conceit. Pride and conceit don't necessarily make you susceptible to mistakes in formal systems of logic like math (including cryptography), though.

    • @therealzilch
      @therealzilch 8 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      jonesgerard
      Can you give me an example?

    • @MultiAlxndr
      @MultiAlxndr 8 ปีที่แล้ว

      +Scott Wallace aka the titanic

    • @therealzilch
      @therealzilch 8 ปีที่แล้ว +21

      MultiAlxndr
      But the problem with the Titanic was not a simple mistake in logic, as with the Enigma, but rather a very general underestimation of what an iceberg could do. To correct the problem with the Enigma would have merely required a very minor change in one tiny part of the machine, very easy to define and accomplish.
      In contrast- the Titanic would need to have been redesigned in very complex ways, and it still would have required a captain who would at least sometimes avoid icebergs- or is it possible to make a ship that can never be sunk?
      cheers from rainy Vienna, Scott

  • @danielharrington8691
    @danielharrington8691 10 ปีที่แล้ว +3487

    How dare you make me enjoy Maths.

    • @chachnaq7337
      @chachnaq7337 7 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      ‍ ‍ so true

    • @JorgetePanete
      @JorgetePanete 7 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Daniel Harrington you forgot the question mark

    • @davenn7597
      @davenn7597 6 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      ‍ ‍ Numberphile is fun
      Not math itself

    • @jrk1666
      @jrk1666 5 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      Better enjoy math than meth

    • @jfloresmac
      @jfloresmac 5 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Math can be your friend. Teachers are the enemy (the great majority of them)
      Just remember, find the little x at the end of the rainbow using the given formulas.

  • @manueltrinidad9970
    @manueltrinidad9970 8 ปีที่แล้ว +3668

    Welp, the Enigma had a little flaw, but the worst flaw was made by te german by ending each message with the word Hitler...

    • @EngineersAnon
      @EngineersAnon 8 ปีที่แล้ว +219

      Also, just don't bother trying any secure message via Enigma on Hitler's birthday. Since sending him birthday wishes was essentially non-discretionary, there were plenty of known-plaintext messages that day.

    • @acousticviking7499
      @acousticviking7499 7 ปีที่แล้ว +441

      No. It wasn't quite that simple. That you got from "The Imitation Game". As James mentioned they used weather reports, and other Crib Words. The German Navy used even 4 Letter Codes to encode 150 or so phrases, eg. AABB = "I attack convoy" etc.. you shouldn't take movies too serously ;)

    • @Doriandotslash
      @Doriandotslash 7 ปีที่แล้ว +99

      Agreed @fjordweingeist . I found that comment funny as well. Movies are not history lol

    • @ianmoseley9910
      @ianmoseley9910 7 ปีที่แล้ว +206

      According to a booklet I got from the Station X museum, one remote German post usually sent the message "nothing to report" which helped crib one of the daily code settings.

    • @51WCDodge
      @51WCDodge 7 ปีที่แล้ว +156

      The British also used Frequency analysis. Which station sent a message and who jumped at the other end. That allows you to surmise that Station A reports to Station C that reports to Station B. Then when Station B transmits A & C jump ie B is the lead. The reason for Meterology reports being important, is the information cannot be changed, it has to be taken from certain points at a set time to be any use. As the only source of such information was either U Boats or Long range aircraft by Enigma, and through HF/DF the Allies knew the area from which the report was made. So Allied vessels and aircraft were recording the same information, wind ,cloud , humidity and barometric pressure. So The Allies already knew what should be in the report. Then when the message reached a German station it was retransmitted to the end user, mostly the Luftwaffe, by Enigma. So you had the same info being transmitted by two stations, at roughly the same time on a regular basis, otherwise the Met info was useless. Add to that long range telegraphy was carrier wave, better known as Morse. Every Morse operator develops a rythum, know as the Fist, it is very distinctive. The British Y Service operators who did the actual . interception of the transmisions became familiar with the operator's fist and also the habits that each operator developed. The Enigma require an intial random setting of the rotas. Think of modern day passwords, how many people actually use a random password for very site? If all else failed then the British would provoke a message. A bombing raid would be carried out, or the guns at Dover would lob a few shells over the Channel. The local garrison would then be likley to report, air attack at certain hour or shells falling in an area in their routine reports.

  • @Bri_bees
    @Bri_bees 4 ปีที่แล้ว +209

    My mom worked in the Weather office at bletchley park. One of the keys to successful code braking was nothing to to with codes or math but hard work and filing. The ladies endlessly filled out card's , cross-referencing every operator . This allowed them to get a feel for operators who would say use there mom's name each day as a test message and give them a starting point.

    • @eugenio5774
      @eugenio5774 ปีที่แล้ว +29

      ohh, this sounds like typing "signature" with the morse code! morse operators have a typing style, and you can actually recognise individual operators by their rythm and speed. I remember reading somewhere that the english could pinpoint where Rommel was because they knew the style of his morse typist, so once they pinpointed where he was, bam, by extension they knew where rommel was.

    • @lozoft9
      @lozoft9 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

      This is something that the movie The Imitation Game (terrible name) depicted. Women were crucial to cryptanalysis b/c they could more readily pick up on social and speech patterns. In other words, they were the first social engineers.

    • @pauls3075
      @pauls3075 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I think your mum should be sent to prison for divulging state secrets. However you are a liar because you are American and your 'mom' wouldnt be working at Bletchley Park! Also your prom was in 2020 so your 'mom' would have been at least 75 when you were born! I believe you call this 'Stolen valour' you are a nasty person.

    • @johnbennett757
      @johnbennett757 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      @@lozoft9 Not the first time that women's contribution went unappreciated.

  • @davidbaird1090
    @davidbaird1090 9 ปีที่แล้ว +98

    I absolutely love this guy, he seems so genuinely excited to tell us about this machine! His other videos are all the same way, excellent content!

  • @konstanty8094
    @konstanty8094 8 ปีที่แล้ว +866

    Additional weakness is the Germans have very long words, which makes it easier to guess if the word fits.

    • @Droggelbecherbot
      @Droggelbecherbot 8 ปีที่แล้ว +89

      not if you leave out the spaces between the words, which would be a no brainer. would be surprised if they didnt do that.

    • @ricarleite
      @ricarleite 8 ปีที่แล้ว +147

      +1234bliblablau No space bar in enygma. Thewordswerekepttigether, like this.

    • @16dedikodu34
      @16dedikodu34 8 ปีที่แล้ว +307

      Aspecially spelling errors like tigether would make it extra difficult to break

    • @l3p3
      @l3p3 8 ปีที่แล้ว +84

      +16dedi kodu Git point.

    • @rub800
      @rub800 8 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Let'sGeilo Lp kik

  • @joeblow8593
    @joeblow8593 4 ปีที่แล้ว +28

    His explanation of the Enigma code machine is the best I've heard yet from anyone. Kudos

  • @bernardpower5876
    @bernardpower5876 7 ปีที่แล้ว +138

    The enigma code was cracked by the polish mathematician Marian Rejewski. He showed this technique to the British and was then sidelined. The computer to achieve the breaking of the code was designed and built (almost single handedly) by Tommy Flowers. The breaking of enigma is largely due to these two who are rarely credited.

    • @MomMom4Cubs
      @MomMom4Cubs ปีที่แล้ว +21

      Seeing what happened to the man widely credited (Alan Turing), perhaps that's best.

    • @IroAppe
      @IroAppe ปีที่แล้ว +17

      What did Alan Turing then do? Was he involved at all?
      Edit: Now I really wanted to know who was responsible for what, and as always, it's a team effort of many people, working at it at different times and locations, until it becomes the one being used. As far as I can see, the mathematician Rejewski indeed figured it out, also there was first the Polish machine Bomba (with an 'a'), that, as numberphile said, was not able to decrypt Navi codes. Then the British came in with the Bombe (with an 'e'), and so far as I have read, Alan Turing designed and produced the prototype, the initial design (whatever they mean by 'produced', I thought that also means to build it, not just design it).
      Tommy Flowers as far as I can see on his page, did not actually work at all with the Bombe. As far as the information is provided there, Turing wanted him to build a counter for the Bombe (which even on Tommy Flowers page states, that Turing created), but that project was abandoned, and so Tommy Flowers continued to make "Colossus", a machine for decrypting the German Lorenz SZ-40/42 cipher machine, which, and I quote: "was a much more complex system than Enigma". So yes, Tommy Flowers has a significant role, but not quite with the Bombe itself. For the "Colossus", he should be remembered for doing something even more complicated, somehow the world only focuses on the Enigma. So perhaps you confused those two machines?

    • @pdwmr
      @pdwmr 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      some facts: On 5 August 2014 the Institute of Electrical and Electronics Engineers (IEEE) honored Rejewski, Różycki, and Zygalski with its prestigious Milestone Award, which recognizes achievements that have changed the world. The uniqueness of the device lay in both the concept of mechanical cipher-breaking and the exceptional mathematical ideas that Polish cryptanalysts employed to crack the supposedly unbreakable encryption mechanism.
      July 2005 Rejewski's daughter, Janina Sylwestrzak, received on his behalf the War Medal 1939-1945 from the British Chief of the Defence Staff. On 1 August 2012 Marian Rejewski posthumously received the Knowlton Award of the U.S. Military Intelligence Corps Association; his daughter Janina accepted the award at his home town, Bydgoszcz, on 4 September 2012. Rejewski had been nominated for the Award by NATO Allied Command

    • @TomBruns-by3vn
      @TomBruns-by3vn หลายเดือนก่อน

      Polish uses capital P

  • @brianmurray8199
    @brianmurray8199 10 ปีที่แล้ว +125

    For anybody wondering, "But wouldn't the plug board allow you to cause a letter to encrypt as itself? Imagine K after the rotors maps to U. Why not just route U to K via the plug board so that pressing K results in K (in this particular button push)?"
    Here's why not: The plug board is used both directions. So that U->K mapping on the output would also be a K->U mapping on the input. So that K you entered and hoped to get back out (to avoid this flaw) would become a U before entering the rotors. Now, to get K back as the final answer you still need to get U out of the rotors because of that U->K in the plug board. So, you're left with needing U->U coming from the rotors, which is no different than needing K->K coming from the rotors. The plug board doesn't add the ability for a letter to map to itself, and given that it won't happen in the rotors it won't happen via Enigma.

    • @KipIngram
      @KipIngram 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Yep.

    • @espadrine
      @espadrine 3 ปีที่แล้ว +11

      I don’t understand why they added a reflector though.
      It single-handedly weakens the whole cipher.
      If the circuit was just “plug board, rotors, then directly light up the output letter”, you couldn’t rely on those simplifying deduction shenanigans, and you’d be back on pure brute-forcing the key.

    • @AyCe
      @AyCe 3 ปีที่แล้ว +11

      @@espadrine And counterintuitive stuff like doing it twice actually making it worse is why people keep warning against trying to be clever with inventing your own crypto method in programming. Just use existing algorithms, properly configured, on your plain data. You trying to "improve" them probably just makes them weaker.

    • @greeny-dev
      @greeny-dev 3 ปีที่แล้ว +12

      @@espadrine I think the point of the reflector is to allow for single machine to be used both as encryption and decryption. The current that goes from e.g. K to T needs to also go from T to K (given the same configuration of rotors and plugboard).

    • @theaccordian9377
      @theaccordian9377 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Why can't the rotors route a letter to itself then?

  • @quietman482
    @quietman482 4 ปีที่แล้ว +16

    Been to Bletchley, did the tour, read a couple of books on Alan Turing but never could get my head around the Enigma Code being a non-mathematician. Watched both the videos and now, thanks to you, I have some grasp on the complexity of the problem and how it was solved. Great videos! Many thanks.

    • @elainegmorrison
      @elainegmorrison 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      It's a mechanical program. They decoded it with a mechanical program which was a loop which iterated until there was no contradiction. That was the solution. The blokes merely input that setting into Enigma to confirm it came out intelligible. Comp-sci to me makes more sense than math in this case.

  • @jaredstearns970
    @jaredstearns970 2 ปีที่แล้ว +94

    It seems to me that the more messages you send encrypted, the more chances you give your opponents to crack them. Regional weather is generally not a mystery, I would think that it could be sent with much lower level of encryption, or even unencrypted. Not to mention that the forecasts were probably reasonably accurate, so you could compare the actual observed weather conditions to the encrypted message fro additional hints.

    • @thewackychaps
      @thewackychaps 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      It wasn't the number of messages, all they needed was one to break it with the machine

    • @acm8559
      @acm8559 2 ปีที่แล้ว +28

      @@thewackychaps Incorrect, the amount of messages were able to give it a pattern that gave them the key to cracking the machine in the first place, repeated phrases and standard formats like the video said. If they didn't have multiple messages to find consistent words, they wouldn't be able to have this so called "key" that reduced the possibilities by considerable powers which allowed the machine to crack the code.

    • @thewackychaps
      @thewackychaps 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@acm8559 you only need one key is what I'm saying, heil Hitler was on every one and Turing's machine only had to check every single combination until they matched

    • @Dave5843-d9m
      @Dave5843-d9m ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Germany used Enigma for every message (repeated or otherwise) because they believed it was 100% unbreakable. The belief was so solid that Soviet Russia used the machines until the 1960s. The British kept their code breaking systems totally, secret because they were reading Russian communications. The fact they could conceal the truth for so long is even more amazing than breaking the code itself.

    • @sorio99
      @sorio99 ปีที่แล้ว

      The thing about the Nazis is, for every intelligent idea they had, they had about three absolutely idiotic ones. Including the weather messages, and as thewackychaps mentioned, including something like “Heil Hitler” on every possible message.

  • @theturtlepwn
    @theturtlepwn 7 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    this guy is so positive and articulate and excited about math!! i've watched this video a few times now because i'm writing a paper on alan turing and it's so difficult for me to understand how he cracked enigma, but this vid is really helpful

  • @blipco5
    @blipco5 5 ปีที่แล้ว +919

    The British should have called it the X-Box instead of the X-Machine, they would have made a fortune.

    • @PADARM
      @PADARM 5 ปีที่แล้ว +14

      X-Bomb

    • @jfloresmac
      @jfloresmac 5 ปีที่แล้ว +34

      Used exclusively by the X-Men. They would have won the war in months and not years...

    • @Pulsonar
      @Pulsonar 5 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      blipco5 Then perhaps Microsoft would have used X-machine for their game console name.

    • @btnt5209
      @btnt5209 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Not necessarily since they are in 2 separate industries

    • @ISO-Certified-pimp
      @ISO-Certified-pimp 4 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      And whenever a kid wanted a xbox their parents accidently bought them an enigma decoder

  • @lylaley
    @lylaley 8 ปีที่แล้ว +428

    Why sending a weather report encrypted in the first place.
    Fun fact: After the War the Britons sold Enigma machines to other countries, without telling them that they could decrypt it

    • @grayscribe2125
      @grayscribe2125 7 ปีที่แล้ว +65

      Just a guess, but I think they sent the weather reports on different frequencies for different parts of the military and different regions. Sending the weather report in the clear would make it easier to know which frequency was used for which region and which part of the military. Given, they could figure that out sooner or later, so on to reason number two.
      Weather reports give you a time and a place. A weather report about a certain part of the atlantic would indicate that they had ships there or planned to have them there. Just as a weather report for a specific part of england could indicate a bomber raid there. A weather report for Gibraltar could indicate a ship going to try to get through. And so on. The weather report would also indicate the time frame for something going to happen there.
      Given, you could simply read out the complete weather reports for all of Europe and the Atlantic Ocean, but that might take some time. And some, like submarines, were not always able to wait that long.

    • @skalty9868
      @skalty9868 6 ปีที่แล้ว +16

      Thorsten Lucht having accurate information about the weather patterns of a location, before satellites, would be super valuable.

    • @yuxin7440
      @yuxin7440 5 ปีที่แล้ว +74

      The purpose of cryptography are not only for the security of transmission but also guarantee the authenticity of the message because the fact you can decrypt it shows that the sender of the encrypted message are someone who have the password (or settings of the machine in this case). If the weather report is not encrypted, anyone will be able to produce it and thus you cannot verify the sender and the authenticity of the message.

    • @doogleticker5183
      @doogleticker5183 5 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      A few weather reports allow meteorologists to build an isobar chart...invaluable in predicting wind speed, storms, precipitation, temperature...all useful for being prepared for combat.

    • @andrewemery4272
      @andrewemery4272 5 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      The weather over German locations would be very useful information for the RAF when planning raids.

  • @johnbones261
    @johnbones261 5 ปีที่แล้ว +615

    The poor Polish guys who really broke the code are completely forgotten. Sad.

    • @lhaviland8602
      @lhaviland8602 4 ปีที่แล้ว +34

      Muh standing alone.
      Muh imperialism.
      Muh abandoning Poland to Stalin to save Greek RAF bases.

    • @shazzo3667
      @shazzo3667 4 ปีที่แล้ว +80

      the polish broke it but didnt keep it a secret so the germans made it harder to break and we broke that

    • @stevenzhao3414
      @stevenzhao3414 4 ปีที่แล้ว +71

      Ok to be fair though, the Polish dude who broke it also didn't go on to basically single-handedly start computer science...

    • @johnbones261
      @johnbones261 4 ปีที่แล้ว +32

      @@stevenzhao3414 you've missed the point. Someone got the credit due to some one else.

    • @1313tennisman
      @1313tennisman 4 ปีที่แล้ว +38

      @@johnbones261 no the poles broke it and the germas figured it out and made it more complicated and then the british broke the more complicated version turing and co get respect that they deserve

  • @walterbrown8694
    @walterbrown8694 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Almost 30 years ago, I retired from a major Defense contractor and had a lot of time to fool around with software in those days. I wrote a software version of the ENIGMA encode/decode system which does not have the "same character exclusion" flaw of the actual ENIGMA machine. This is not a problem with software, but would require a wiring design modification to correct in the ENIGMA machine itself.

    • @rustycherkas8229
      @rustycherkas8229 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Imagine each rotor had holes drilled into the steel ring of letters, one hole per letter (or number) (ie: 26 holes around the rotor's circumference.) Imagine a small supply of magnetic pegs (or pins), each sized to snuggly fit into a hole, and long enough to be a few mm 'proud' of the hole. Imagine a single conveniently located "leaf switch" that would close when the rightmost rotor was in a position such that a peg's length pressed on that switch. Imagine the operator's daily ritual to configure the machine was to insert a peg or two as per the day's configuration of rotor selection, sequence, plugboard, etc. Imagine a 27th bulb that would light-up when the leaf switch is closed (in addition to the standard Enigma encrypted output bulb)... Imagine the operators were instructed to notice this 27th bulb, and, when it was lit, to copy the next letter of the message from input to output, bypassing the device (effectively, 1 or 2 of every 26 letters of the message would be 'unencrypted', so 'A' -> 'A' would be possible. (For decryption, the operator does the same thing, and 'A' -> 'A' again...)
      For the "cost" of a switch, a bulb and a few magnetic pegs for each device, this flaw would have been remedied and the code more difficult to 'crack'...
      "Management", eh?

  • @alanthomas8836
    @alanthomas8836 9 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Alan Turin's Bombe machine albeit a substantial help, was really only an extension and development from a device that had been first designed in 1938 in Poland at the Biuro Szyfrów (Cipher Bureau) by cryptologist Marian Rejewski, and known as the "cryptologic bomb" (Polish: bomba kryptologiczna).

  • @foreverkurome
    @foreverkurome 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    I remember my teacher showing me this in high school as a sort of motivation for why one might study mathematics, I think only now I appreciate things like this outside of "that's pretty cool bro"

  • @johncgibson4720
    @johncgibson4720 9 ปีที่แล้ว +56

    This episode is the most important episode of the numberphile series. And they almost omitted it. They made this episode by accident due to popular comments for another video!

  • @evilpandakillabzonattkoccu4879
    @evilpandakillabzonattkoccu4879 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Just something: I don't really care for math usually but the excitement and fascination that Dr Grimes delivers the information with is contagious. I find myself engaged in a manner that doesnt usually happen when math is involved and thats something special. I try to remember that when I'm teaching my own children....that excitement, curiosity and fascination can be inspired in others.
    A sincere thank you from me to all of you! Very well done!
    I'm not new to Brady's work or numberphile but it still amazes me how effective these videos are at teaching concepts. I went too long without saying thanks, imho.

  • @gregfaris6959
    @gregfaris6959 4 ปีที่แล้ว +89

    I think the most interesting part of the story is the least often told, which is how the Polish managed to crack all but one enhanced variant of Enigma code with a small, desktop machine, while it took Turing and his team years of work, and a machine the size of a Panzer tank do do them one click better!

    • @thenerdguy9985
      @thenerdguy9985 2 ปีที่แล้ว +13

      Also, the fact that poles gave all their findings they had in cracking.

    • @dindin3655
      @dindin3655 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      can i learn more about these polish, what's their name?

    • @kashmir99scor
      @kashmir99scor 2 ปีที่แล้ว +13

      Marian Rejewski, Jerzy Różycki and Henryk Zygalski,

    • @E1craZ4life
      @E1craZ4life 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      8:08

    • @88porpoise
      @88porpoise ปีที่แล้ว +14

      The Polish machines required one machine for every possible rotor order. That was fine when there were three rotors (so six machines required), but became impractical when the Germans went to five rotors requiring 60 bomby (and the Navy soon went to eight, requiring 336 bomby). The Bombes were much larger and more complex than the Bomby, but they were also much more capable.
      It is also important to note that the biggest accomplishment of Bletchley Park wasn't breaking the codes, it was breaking them fast enough to provide useful information about ongoing operations.
      The Polish efforts provided the foundation that the British would use, but comparing a bomba to a bombe like that is just silly.

  • @matihari79
    @matihari79 7 ปีที่แล้ว +306

    Marian Rejewski, Jerzy Różycki i Henryk Zygalski, thank you guys for breaking the enigma code in 1932

    • @robertgoss4842
      @robertgoss4842 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Zowie. That is some serious spelling. My compliments!

    • @GunMeat
      @GunMeat 3 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      And that smiling Englishitman is lyng worse than Goebbels.

    • @vincentfreddoyle7555
      @vincentfreddoyle7555 3 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      @@GunMeat ?

    • @kurumi394
      @kurumi394 3 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      I'll have a stab at pronouncing these names
      Ma-ree-an Re-yev-skee
      Ye-zhi Roo-zhits-kee
      and Hen-rik Zi-gal-skee
      Are these acceptable Poles?

    • @Knukszt
      @Knukszt 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@kurumi394 well, hard to tell from writting. English Y means Polish J, and Polish Y doesnt have an English counterpart as far as im aware, so its deffinitely not spoken as "i". If i had to describe it, it sounds like a drunkard would make a caveman sound when he gets mad at you. But from what i see, id say its like, how a typical englishman would pronounce polish words with "broken polish". But thats acceptable especialy if you dont live in poland heh id say.

  • @OKMX5
    @OKMX5 11 ปีที่แล้ว +52

    Wow, man would think that some German mathematician would have seen that flaw. Letter never becoming the same letter might see clever to common people but not to someone who knows how ciphers work...

  • @KokkiePiet
    @KokkiePiet 5 ปีที่แล้ว +342

    Polish military intelligence broke the enigma initially, Turing automated it, he and others broke the updated versions

    • @jaybpl666
      @jaybpl666 5 ปีที่แล้ว +11

      True

    • @marekkoacinski500
      @marekkoacinski500 4 ปีที่แล้ว +62

      Różycki, Rejewski, Zygalski, that was the names of mathematicians, who has broke the code.

    • @staliniumprojectile
      @staliniumprojectile 4 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      8:28

    • @aleksanderwierzejski1346
      @aleksanderwierzejski1346 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@marekkoacinski500 did the author mentioned that?

    • @tubemein2007
      @tubemein2007 4 ปีที่แล้ว +16

      @Tweaky Robin If you hate the truth just because it was the poles - polish mathematicians - who did the hard work and NOT Turing himself, well then, there is little anyone can do about it. Just like flat earth and creationists alike they have their own lies built up inside of them and they seem to be willing to get away with it.

  • @57thorns
    @57thorns 7 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    One important factor to remember here is what the actual numbers needed to break the enigma was:
    The huge factor from the reciprocal partial substitution cipher in the switchboard added zero security. Yes, zero. The whole factor is irrelevant.
    One Bombe had 12 sets of 3 rotors each. You would basically use one set for each letter in the crib. Let's call this a group.
    You would then need one group for each possible rotor combination (wheel order). This would be 60 for the standard 3 out of 6 wheel machine and 336 for the navy machine. These numbers were met by building more and more of the machines. Expensive (the whole project was about the size of the Apollo or Manhattan projects).
    The Bombe then would find candidates among the 17567 possible rotor starting positions in about 20 minutes. Those drums really spun fast.
    And in my opinion, this is one of the main reasons why it was possible to break the Enigma, the people at Bletchley Park figured out a way to solve the three main settings (wheel order, wheel starting position and stecker board setting) independently of each other.
    That, and the way the Germans kept giving them presents in the form of daily cribs. Any cipher is harder to break if you have no idea about the content.

  • @grahammartin9494
    @grahammartin9494 4 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    Not being a mathematician I have been struggling with following the Alan Turing story. This has made things much clearer. Thank you so much... will look out for more of your lectures!

  • @jbyeats
    @jbyeats 10 ปีที่แล้ว +153

    Dear Dr Turing ,
    WE want to thank you for your enormous contribution & for your work relating to breaking the
    German Military codes & to acknowledge your unique input into developing the very first computer.
    Now -- this won't hurt at all -- Dr Turing. - We just want to CHEMICALLY CASTRATE you.
    You won't feel a thing.

    • @heatherbluelove
      @heatherbluelove 10 ปีที่แล้ว +29

      Mentality of 1950's that seems to be stuck to homophobic idiots these days

    • @jbyeats
      @jbyeats 10 ปีที่แล้ว +23

      Unfortunately very much alive today --
      just as you say.

    • @heatherbluelove
      @heatherbluelove 10 ปีที่แล้ว +20

      I live in the middle east
      Folks are very radical to say the least

    • @jbyeats
      @jbyeats 9 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      For goodness sake -- this was nothing to do with COMMON LAW or ANY LAW.
      This was the British Establishment deciding that it HAD TO ACT to PROTECT ITSELF because its NO 1 -- COMPUTER SCIENTIST
      was consorting with young boys for sexual
      gratification.
      Turing was followed 24 hrs a day.
      His phone was tapped.
      His mail opened.
      He was a marked man.
      The British Establishment is ruthless in dealing with any of its KEY PERSONNEL
      -- " WHO STEP OUT OF LINE "
      ( They murdered Dr David Kelly -- so that
      themselves & the Yanks could invade IRAQ .)
      Turing's problem was that his social behaviour left him open to BLACKMAIL .
      The Brits were in the middle of a cold war with the Soviets. They knew at that time that their
      Intelligence Agencies were full of Russian Spies. They could NOT -- UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES -- HAVE TURING BEING USED as a SPY by the SOVIETS.
      By the way -- your English is Superb.
      Just look at some of these morons on TH-cam -- who know absolutely nothing about GRAMMAR or SYNTAX. -- and ENGLISH is their MOTHER TONGUE.

    • @heatherbluelove
      @heatherbluelove 9 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      jbyeats hahaha English isn't my mother language yet I am not only decent at the language but I also write poetry in English
      In any case has anyone seen what is happening in Ukraine?

  • @willo7734
    @willo7734 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I think this was the first Numberphile episode I ever watched probably a decade ago. Still one of the best ones!

  • @justintheoreo
    @justintheoreo 8 ปีที่แล้ว +1818

    Praise Benedict Cumb- ... Uh I mean Alan Turing

    • @aeriumsoft
      @aeriumsoft 8 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      ich liebe kartoffelein

    • @parthiancapitalist2733
      @parthiancapitalist2733 8 ปีที่แล้ว

      Awsomiihill the ch is pronounced /x/ not /k/

    • @ChickenGeorgeClooney
      @ChickenGeorgeClooney 7 ปีที่แล้ว +34

      It's funny because Cumberbatch looks NOTHING like Turing

    • @xandercoulton8541
      @xandercoulton8541 7 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      Jackson DeStefano he played Alan Turing in the imitation game....

    • @MrDaiseymay
      @MrDaiseymay 7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      or his brain

  • @novat9731
    @novat9731 9 ปีที่แล้ว +15

    The navy sent the rotation position in a different code because the navy would regularly be at sea for months at a time, and it would not be safe to produce codes months in advance. In addition, if a single submarine was captures, all the others could not communicate with the outside world. But since the code position was not predetermined, and was sent in a different code, a single captured submarine was not an issue to communications for the entire fleet.

    • @b-chroniumproductions3177
      @b-chroniumproductions3177 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Admittedly it's somewhat difficult to capture a submarine, especially with an intact codebook (they'd probably throw it into the water before surrendering)

    • @norbertfleck812
      @norbertfleck812 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@b-chroniumproductions3177 Actually a codebook was captured in the 1940ies ...

  • @xoites877
    @xoites877 4 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Thank you so much for this. The Imitation Game is one of my favorite movies, but understanding the process was beyond its scope. I understand a little bit more now.

    • @simonpersonaltrainer5624
      @simonpersonaltrainer5624 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Do some research on the Polish scientists. They managed to crack all but one enhanced variant of Enigma code with a small, desktop machine, while it took Turing and his team years of work, and a machine the size of a Panzer tank do do them one click better!

  • @tombowen9861
    @tombowen9861 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I do love these videos. Even 11 long years later! Great work Brady

  • @futhamucka
    @futhamucka 9 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    What a phenomenal piece of engineering, and a phenomenal team it took to crack it.

  • @YtubeUserr
    @YtubeUserr 9 ปีที่แล้ว +484

    Sorry for my bad England, I'm from English

  • @mephostopheles3752
    @mephostopheles3752 8 ปีที่แล้ว +61

    I want to know how fast our computers can decode Enigma now. Is it faster? Is it instant these days? How far have we come?

    • @EbonyWolf.
      @EbonyWolf. 8 ปีที่แล้ว +36

      By brute force they cannot, not even super computers. By exploiting the flaws they can do it instantly though(also called breaking with cryptanalysis).

    • @mhdawod8350
      @mhdawod8350 8 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      i think like a 1024 bit

    • @EbonyWolf.
      @EbonyWolf. 8 ปีที่แล้ว +42

      Alkenrinnstet navy enigma has 158,962,555,217,826,360,000 combinations(about 2^67). Our 3ghz computers can at best compute 3*2^30 combinations per second. So it will take 3*2^37 seconds or 13074 years to solve it by brute force. A super computer might break it in several months

    • @alkenrinnstet
      @alkenrinnstet 8 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Ebony Wolf Putting aside the obvious errors in your arithmetic, you were the one to claim "not even super computers". Also you are using exactly the wrong tool for the job.

    • @EbonyWolf.
      @EbonyWolf. 8 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Alkenrinnstet Id love to know my arithmetic errors. Also they had one day to break the enigma code. So several months to break a analog coding machine is far far from trivially solvable.

  • @MaTTTaX
    @MaTTTaX 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    to fix the flaw, the enigma should have had 27 Letters. The reflector could pair 26 Letters and have one loose End. the loose End could be wired to each key and could close an additional lightbulb circuit when the key is pressed. thus by a chance of 1/27 a key could light up as itself.

  • @mikosoft
    @mikosoft 9 ปีที่แล้ว +603

    "Mein Deutsch ist sehr schlecht, Entschuldigung." That was the German bit but with heavy accent. It means "My German is very bad, I apologise".

    • @mikosoft
      @mikosoft 9 ปีที่แล้ว +67

      I scrolled through a couple of comments and didn't see it, so sorry for repeating without knowing.

    • @aktan4ik
      @aktan4ik 9 ปีที่แล้ว +60

      +mikosoft Hi (sorry for my bad english)

    • @turboapples1233
      @turboapples1233 7 ปีที่แล้ว

      mikosoft the accent was confusing couldn't tell if he was apologising or not

    • @MrRainierSalu
      @MrRainierSalu 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      when did he say that again?

    • @texannationalist5887
      @texannationalist5887 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      right at the beginning

  • @OtakusRUs2
    @OtakusRUs2 10 ปีที่แล้ว +184

    Such a coincidence that I find these two videos right after I get back from watching The Imitation Game.
    Wonderful movie, and a wonderful story. I highly recommend it.

    • @wagnerrrrr
      @wagnerrrrr 9 ปีที่แล้ว +38

      「S」 Coincidence, or TH-cam spying on you? :)

    • @geekymonkey
      @geekymonkey 9 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      +「S」 I came here for Rock Paper Scissors and stumbled upon this not long after watching The Imitation Game. Crazy!

    • @AtaraxiaArg
      @AtaraxiaArg 9 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      +「S」 Not a coincidence, you will notice Facebook does this too, talk about a brand on say Reddit, and surprisingly you'll see an ad for it on Facebook the next day or within the week, it's actually scary and sad

    • @obelix_gaul
      @obelix_gaul 7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      thanks for the recommendation

    • @oldcowbb
      @oldcowbb 6 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      the movie make it way to dramatic, and they make turing a stereotypical nerd

  • @waheisel
    @waheisel 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Fascinating! Great stuff-thank you. The "extra footage" is no longer available as of Jan 2022.

  • @linkdeminsk
    @linkdeminsk 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    I am amazed at the piece of editing mastery at 4:13, how the still image comes from and to the video before and after as though it was a still image from a single video, expect DocG keeps talking and his sentence carries over to the end of the still image back into the video... You've done it guys, you broke time.

  • @jamesarthurreed
    @jamesarthurreed 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    10:08 The third video with the "extras" that you mentioned was changed to "private", and from reading the comments, I see that I'm not the first one to notice this. If you could put it back to "unlisted", I would greatly appreciate it! Thanks in advance.

  • @Honeythief_
    @Honeythief_ 7 ปีที่แล้ว +15

    I as a german really enjoyed you speaking german :D

  • @FifiRX
    @FifiRX 5 ปีที่แล้ว +55

    please remember that three Polish gus broke enigma code before the WW2 has started, and later during the war they give codes to brithish etc

    • @krowa1010
      @krowa1010 4 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      first the Poles broke it, then the work was handled to be under Alan's Turing's supervision, thats the way it was, shouldnt it therefore be mentioned?

    • @LiquidFluorine
      @LiquidFluorine 4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      ​@Tweaky Robin Being factually correct isn't salty, so stop replying to every thread mentioning the truth as 'being salty'. If somebody's broke the code and then somebody else is basing on that work, you don't say that the later guy broke the code. Turing improved on the ideas brought by Rejewski, Zygalski and Różycki. He did not reinvent the ideas by himself or independently developed the mathematical theory behind it. He had direct access to all the mathematical concepts and created devices and also met and talked to the people who invented them. And that is very important to answering the question who broke the Enigma code. The first Enigma devices were broken as early as in 1932, and that is 6 years before Turing's involvement with Government Code and Cypher School.
      Turing's work is immensely important in improving the way the Enigma could be decoded as the complexity of the ciphers increased with time but the idea of how it worked did not change much. So no, Turing was not the first to break the code which is what is implied by asking 'who broke the enigma code'.

  • @54johnpaul
    @54johnpaul 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    You guys are great......I've read widely about Enigma but this is the first time I've seen such a graphic explanation. I understand much more now. Thank you so much.

  • @moeaftab
    @moeaftab 6 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    The fact that math helped take down one of the most misguided and evil regimes in history is truly amazing. I now officially love math... these are words I thought I would never utter before today. Thanks, Numberphile.

  • @xkcdstickfigure
    @xkcdstickfigure 5 ปีที่แล้ว +43

    "What could you put in to make it more secure?" An ssl certificate.

    • @stargazer7644
      @stargazer7644 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      That laughing sound is coming from the NSA

    • @alzeNL
      @alzeNL 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      signed by a chinese CA somewhere in the authentication path :D

  • @TheEloheim
    @TheEloheim 8 ปีที่แล้ว +16

    @Numberphile: I love the channel!
    Also, maybe a more overt tribute would not fit the lean format of these episodes, but I think we should be sure to not forget the absolutely reprehensible treatment of Turing by the British government after the war. It may well be different across the pond, but as an American around the age of 30, I've been well aware of Turning's incredible achievements and contributions to the Allied victory in WW2. Alternatively, I had zero clue untill recently that in 1952(!) he was charged and convicted for the crime of homosexuality, and resultingly fired and banned from any future national security work, and forced to undergo chemical castration to leave him impotent. The sum total of this unbelievable public humiliation led him to commit suicide in 1954, at the age of 41, less than 10 years after the end of the war he'd helped win!
    Speaking personally, as an observer in the 21st century, learning those awful facts of Turing's fate, for me, felt like a punch to the stomach. I know the values of the time may have been different (also Turing was recently pardoned by the Queen), and the point of this post isn't to direct hated toward any persons or institutions, but hopefully to inform some who were not aware, and remind any others, not to forget the human struggles that can lie closer to home than one might rather imagine.
    So here's to Alan Turing and all those like him, whose stories may not be known.

    • @lhaviland8602
      @lhaviland8602 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Some people think he may have been murdered to stop him from spilling what he knew to the Soviet. The 50s were wild and yes the UK fight the war for nothing.

    • @MJC1124
      @MJC1124 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Aleph One: I agree with you about the treatment of Turing. However, what happened at Bletchley Park was kept secret until about the 1980s. Those responsible for his trial and criminal conviction would have been totally unaware of the vital role he had in the war effort. As we go though life, some things that were once unacceptable become acceptable and vice versa. I can think of several such examples.

    • @nukclear2741
      @nukclear2741 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Lets not forget the polish here…

  • @jeffreywickens3379
    @jeffreywickens3379 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Dr. James Grime has such a pleasant, gentle and humble personality.

  • @NGCgalaxy
    @NGCgalaxy 10 ปีที่แล้ว +300

    arguably ... war develops us as much as it destroys us

    • @DarkPaladinDE1
      @DarkPaladinDE1 10 ปีที่แล้ว +22

      Yeah, but it's technically not *needed*. If we'd all work as hard as if we were in war and push technology as hard the progress would be even bigger, because nothing gets destroyed.

    • @josephcope2737
      @josephcope2737 7 ปีที่แล้ว +15

      The reason why war is such a stimulus for progress is that the necessity of victory to preserve a nations way of life concentrates its citizens' efforts. Someone once said that "nothing concentrates a man's thinking like the knowledge he's going to be hanged in the morning." Maybe it was Oscar Wilde. Unfortunately, during times of peace nations tend to get lazy and frivolous.

    • @amojak
      @amojak 6 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      suffering is a requirement of human nature to evolve. Without it people invent causes to fight for as we have a lot of now

    • @DakotaGraftt
      @DakotaGraftt 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      DakrPaladinDE1
      That's called capitalism.

    • @terryhigson434
      @terryhigson434 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      War is why we have the technology we have... FULL STOP.

  • @bardokgokusfather
    @bardokgokusfather 9 ปีที่แล้ว +83

    I bet one of these views is Benedict Cumberbatch's. To research his role on Alan Turing.

  • @oggyoggy1299
    @oggyoggy1299 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I’ve been told how it works.
    I’ve been told about its flaw.
    I’ve been told how it was cracked.
    And I wouldn’t be able to decrypt a 3 letter word to save my life.

  • @codyvivian6347
    @codyvivian6347 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I never in my life thought I would be watching video after video about math, bro yall are awesome!

  • @jerobarraco
    @jerobarraco 9 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    the 2nd optimization of using physical electrical connections is really smart (y)

  • @samarvora6355
    @samarvora6355 5 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Absolutely brilliant! Love content like this!
    Amazing videos, mate! The way he is presenting it, it's pretty clear that he loves the stuff and loves presenting it as well. His energy make sit even better...

  • @ZeroRyoko
    @ZeroRyoko 9 ปีที่แล้ว +17

    Why has no one mentioned Thomas "Tommy" Harold Flowers, MBE (22 December 1905 - 28 October 1998) The Inventor and creator of the First Digital computer 'Colossus'? This was the machine that allowed the Allies break the Enigma almost instantly and the Lorenz Cypher. Without this man, the D-day landings would have been a Spectacular Failure, We could have lost the War in a very real way without him. With no help from the government, and simply because he was convinced he could help, He bankrupted himself to prove his "Programmable Computer" was viable. This man Is the farther of Modern Computing, he deserves the recognition, thanks to this man we live in the Digital Information Age. Yet most 'Computer Nerds' have never heard of him, its almost criminal in my opinion!

    • @dafoex
      @dafoex 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Because Colossus never cracked enigma codes, they were used solely for tunny codes.

  • @enquiryplay
    @enquiryplay 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Still TH-cam's best explanation of the Enigma machine.

  • @TimwiTerby
    @TimwiTerby 10 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    6:33 “I have to go through all 26 options [...] If all the 26 options are wrong....” - 25, surely! :)

    • @atomcrusader
      @atomcrusader 10 ปีที่แล้ว +24

      No connection is also an option.

    • @TimwiTerby
      @TimwiTerby 10 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      Aha! I suspected I overlooked something! Thanks for the clarification :)

    • @darsonidomar3186
      @darsonidomar3186 9 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Milioo93 It would of course create one.The connection in the beginning is not to activate certain letters but to switch them with another one.

  • @ianwhite4821
    @ianwhite4821 4 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    Not only was the public apology for how they treated this man well overdue. He deserves a posthumous knighthood. A hero. A hero who saved millions of lives

    • @KasSo89
      @KasSo89 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      I think you should educate yourself who really broke the enigma code. This video is a lie.

    • @ianwhite4821
      @ianwhite4821 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@KasSo89 the polish started and helped a lot. However he and his team completed it.
      I think you need to educate yourself. It is accepted that Poland made huge inroads but did not crack the code

    • @nukclear2741
      @nukclear2741 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@ianwhite4821 not entirely true. The polish flat out BUILT an entire enigma machine from scratch, and had cracked enigma first, then the Germans decided, not knowing the polish had already broken the codes, to add a new cylinder, to which the polish reacted accordingly, and the polish mathematicians who were involved gave the information to the French mathematicians, who in turn brought it with them to Britain.
      Turing was absolutely brilliant, no doubt about that, and he absolutely helped with the German naval enigma, but the German army enigma, which used one less cylinder than the German navy, had essentially already been cracked.

    • @ianwhite4821
      @ianwhite4821 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@nukclear2741 agreed the work from the poles was also brilliant. But the building of colossus etc and the breaking of lorenz etc was done afterwards.

    • @nukclear2741
      @nukclear2741 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@ianwhite4821 that is fair.

  • @NaderR
    @NaderR 10 ปีที่แล้ว +141

    Credits should go to the person who created that machine not only to the one who broke the code...

    • @ZER0--
      @ZER0-- 9 ปีที่แล้ว

      ***** Are you talking to me ?

    • @jasonnung2645
      @jasonnung2645 9 ปีที่แล้ว +36

      Credits would go to German engineer Arthur Scherbius

    • @ZER0--
      @ZER0-- 9 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Jason Nung Lol. But why should some one be credited for making a code machine that was broken almost immediately.

    • @jasonnung2645
      @jasonnung2645 9 ปีที่แล้ว +71

      It wasn't. It was created near the end of the First World War, and was originally for commercial purposes. During WWII it was adapted for military use, and extra rotors and a plug board was added to increase the number of code combinations by several thousand times.
      It took until just before Poland was occupied by Germany before Polish cryptographers were able to solve the 3-rotor version of the Enigma. But it was not until the early 1940s for the 5-rotor version to be solved by Turing. 1941-1918= 29 years of it being the most perplexing code in the Western World, the apex of science and technology at the time. I think that's quite impressive.

    • @ZER0--
      @ZER0-- 9 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Jason Nung It was cracked !! So it is a failure. Churchill said it shortened the war by a couple of years. The war lasted 5 years and we cracked every single machine so wtf are you talking about 29 years. Remember you believe he deserves credit. I repeat we broke every single enigma machine even Hitler's personal machine with 10 rotors.
      Twist the words all you like but Alan Turing was 6 in 1918 so I doubt he started work on it then. Unless you know some thing I don't.

  • @scientificconsideration8294
    @scientificconsideration8294 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Interesting as always! The only way I could think of to avoid this issue without changing anything about the Enigma itself is to make some spelling mistakes and "informal" phrasing like "Wettehrberihct" or something that would still be intelligible, but reduce the risk of "knowing what it should say".

    • @scientificconsideration8294
      @scientificconsideration8294 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Jo nvm just add another rotor after the 3 rotors that lies between them and the plug board, that way the output letter can be the same as its input, iirc they were issued with 5 rotors anyways, of which 3 would be in use every day.
      So, just to clarify: Say the rotors encrypt 1->2->3->4->5->6->7->8 , then if our additional rotor has coincidentally 8->1, that flaw would have been easily fixed.
      I really don't blame the original designers for not noticing that problem though, I probably would have been one of those who were convinved it was uncrackable until the very end had it not been for this video.

  • @Jeff-rq4jv
    @Jeff-rq4jv 10 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    6:11 T&A are definitely connected.

  • @vlogconvos5429
    @vlogconvos5429 8 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    I don't understand how you knew how the rotors are wired. How do they change the letters?

    • @plasmachicken
      @plasmachicken 8 ปีที่แล้ว

      VlogConvos With Wires

    • @Mrloulouof44
      @Mrloulouof44 8 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      You make supposition, and check if your position works.

    • @aakksshhaayy
      @aakksshhaayy 8 ปีที่แล้ว

      you fool break open the rotors and you will see all the wires and how they are connected

    • @Krzysztof_Kania
      @Krzysztof_Kania 8 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @VlogConvos: Polish mathematicians knew how the rotors are wired because they had several copies of the civilian version and also one copy of the military version.

    • @simonwatts8338
      @simonwatts8338 7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      VlogConvos They captured several Enigma machines off of surrendered and sinking U boats.

  • @aasekristoffer
    @aasekristoffer 10 ปีที่แล้ว +36

    It's possible I didn't understand right, but if one letter never is the same letter in the code. Can you not just press the same letter 26 times and write down the letter it never was? And then do the next letter, and next and so on?

    • @missc2742
      @missc2742 9 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      That would work only if you had the same exact setting as the machine that had created the code. The key to cracking enigma was finding this setting.

    • @IsuAsenjo
      @IsuAsenjo 9 ปีที่แล้ว +12

      Dude, you already know what it is, A is never A, B is never B, and so on, you don't need to press the letter 26 times man!

    • @richard_pine
      @richard_pine 9 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I think what you mean is that the letter of the coded message isn't the letter of the actual message. This isn't true, what he meant was that if you pressed K on the machine, the letter K would never light up.

    • @thatguywhohatesnoobs
      @thatguywhohatesnoobs 9 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      It's not "possible" you didn't understand it right, it's absolutely certain you didn't understand it right. If it was as simple as you stated, this video would only be 5 seconds long....

    • @bananian
      @bananian 7 ปีที่แล้ว

      That would be the configuration from just one setting of the rotors.

  • @wade727nelson
    @wade727nelson 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I've read all the books. Your quick video explained it better than I ever understood before. Thank you.

  • @jacquesj.j.soudan4670
    @jacquesj.j.soudan4670 9 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    How did the Allies find out/know about this flaw (no letter was ever represented as itself)? From captured machines? Or trial and error as well?
    Also, how many machines were in use (distributed) at one time? Because it might have been worth the effort to try to intercept those monthly code-sheets?
    PS
    A few weeks back I found these sites - very insightful!
    - www.ellsbury.com/enigmabombe.htm
    - enigma.louisedade.co.uk/enigma.html

    • @TheTck90
      @TheTck90 9 ปีที่แล้ว +15

      Jacques J.J. Soudan In the first video they mentioned that Allies had captured a Enigma machine, and after pressing for example ''k'' 10 000 times and all the other letters have lighten up few times but never ''k'' itself they could assume that the letter is never itself.
      They were trying to intercept those code-sheets, but they could be destroyed by any contact with liquid (water) and only high officers had them. So if any of the officers knew they would get caught they simply had to apply some water in the sheet or eat it, making it very hard to get one. Even when they got one, they could only use it until the end of the month.
      Don't know how many machines were in use, but I would guess that every base of operations and ships had one.

    • @jacquesj.j.soudan4670
      @jacquesj.j.soudan4670 9 ปีที่แล้ว

      Hi TheTck90 - thanks!
      I missed having them an Enigma machine itself - I figure they would have needed at least one, as how would you start cracking it in the first place?
      I also realized after posting that they could have obtained a commercial version - although they had no plugboard in the front - but you would have a starting point.
      The water-destroyable ones were Navy (only) - he mentions it, in case a ship would sink. But those Navy-machines and codes were high on their wishlist for fighting the U-boats - later in the war, with the cracked codes they could hunt them, reducing losses considerably - and making U-boat service a suicide-mission, as 75% of the sailors got killed.

    • @TheTck90
      @TheTck90 9 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Jacques J.J. Soudan It's amazing how much more power information gives you compared to guns!

    • @jacquesj.j.soudan4670
      @jacquesj.j.soudan4670 9 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      But guns and bombs sank the U-boats, TheTck90 - it's best to have both, so you have more options.

    • @TheTck90
      @TheTck90 9 ปีที่แล้ว

      Jacques J.J. Soudan True that!

  • @NoneN1nordy123
    @NoneN1nordy123 7 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    It took one Swedish guy two weeks to break the T52 (Enigmas big brother, used by the German embassies and navy) using a pen and paper. He never explained exactly how he’d figured it out. But this has been overshadowed by well-known Enigma Machine story.

    • @wade727nelson
      @wade727nelson 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Tell us more! Where can we read about this!

    • @NoneN1nordy123
      @NoneN1nordy123 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@wade727nelson try to Google Arne Beurling

    • @NoneN1nordy123
      @NoneN1nordy123 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@wade727nelson look up Arne Beurling

  • @vhaalgorn
    @vhaalgorn 7 ปีที่แล้ว +1175

    I changed this coment so all the replays below make no sense. I'm evil.

    • @danilomarvel5657
      @danilomarvel5657 5 ปีที่แล้ว +12

      BRAZIL 5 world cups : GERMANY has 4 but nobody knows how...

    • @xXAlmdudlerXx
      @xXAlmdudlerXx 5 ปีที่แล้ว +32

      @@danilomarvel5657 Still 7:1 is alot worse

    • @danilomarvel5657
      @danilomarvel5657 5 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @@xXAlmdudlerXx at least for the next 4 years brazil 5 : 4 will keep being the reality for the germans... just a single game does not worth these world cup titles you need to reach the greatest soccer team

    • @pasarebird02
      @pasarebird02 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      Rafael Viana ll

    • @thanhvinhnguyen8731
      @thanhvinhnguyen8731 5 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      Wait wth does this have to do with enigma?

  • @sachadavid8410
    @sachadavid8410 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    If think there is a mistake. 4:57
    We assume (TA) and deduce (PE) - ok. we "know" T->E
    Then we deduce (KQ) (XB) (TG) . How do we know that if the Rotors output K, the Panel would link to G ?
    The first time we knew P linked with E because T->E.

  • @RadicalCaveman
    @RadicalCaveman 5 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Grime's head: red on the outside, abstract on the inside

  • @ElectricPyroclast
    @ElectricPyroclast 10 ปีที่แล้ว +67

    "Mein Deutsch ist sehr schlecht, enschuldigung." No, James, your German is better than most Americans'.

    • @cesaros11
      @cesaros11 9 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      He's not American though. His German is probably better than most Japanese or Brazilians as well.

    • @ElectricPyroclast
      @ElectricPyroclast 9 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      cesaros11 I know he's British. The stereotype for typical Americans is that they are unable to speak anything but American English, and despite that, they make a LOT of spelling, grammar, and pronunciation mistakes.

    • @ralusek
      @ralusek 9 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      ElectricPyroclast White Americans as opposed to what, Black Americans?

    • @ElectricPyroclast
      @ElectricPyroclast 9 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      ralusek I guess my statement wasn't very correct. I guess it's just basically American Americans. Been there, ancestors have also been there, don't care about the rest of the world Americans.

    • @ralusek17
      @ralusek17 9 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      ElectricPyroclast There are a lot of Americans like that, but it's not exactly fair to compare an American only speaking English to a European speaking numerous languages. For one, the United States is pretty expansive, with the majority of Canada and therefore the majority of the entire continent speaking only English. With the much smaller European countries, you're bordering with 2-4 entirely different cultures a few cities away. They have older histories that likely come with their own languages. So on top of the mere size and proximity to different cultures, you have the fact that English is the universal common language of the majority of our media, technology, etc. So from a practical standpoint, there is very little incentive to learn a different language, nor is there any real existing culture in place to be inherited from outside of our relatively young, English speaking colony.
      It's not an apples to oranges comparison. Even in our education system, learning another language is considered primarily a hobby.

  • @kira.b
    @kira.b 9 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Its kinda endearing how excited he is/seems about the machine and the mathematics behind it

  • @Albrecht8000
    @Albrecht8000 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    You are an ABSOLUTE BRILLIANT teacher!!! :-)
    Perfect explained.
    Greetings from germany

  • @GordonHugenay
    @GordonHugenay 10 ปีที่แล้ว +74

    It would have been very easy to avoid the flaw of the enigma machine: Just code your message twice, and the same letter could reappear again

    • @bananian
      @bananian 7 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      But you would need two different settings

    • @lucifer4263
      @lucifer4263 7 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      just put the second setting on the monthly settings paper too and there you go.

    • @justinlewtp
      @justinlewtp 7 ปีที่แล้ว +28

      "General! The Russians are coming, what do we do?"
      "Yeah hold on, I just got started on the second code"

    • @iwansays
      @iwansays 6 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      With better circuitries, it might be possible to just input both of the settings at the start and let the machine do the encryption twice on its own..

    • @aleksandersuur9475
      @aleksandersuur9475 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      That would be twice as secure! Just as ROT26 is twice as secure as ROT13

  • @JoelCarli
    @JoelCarli 9 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Wetterbericht is the world's greatest German jazz fusion band.
    (before anyone asks, this is a joke -- props to anyone who gets it)

    • @EmielBlom
      @EmielBlom 8 ปีที่แล้ว

      +Joel Carli Jaco Pastorius on tha bass w00t

    • @JoelCarli
      @JoelCarli 8 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Emiel Blom *air horns going off*

    • @PYSO89
      @PYSO89 7 ปีที่แล้ว

      Joe Zawinul at the keyboard...enigma coded obviously

  • @Catastropheshe
    @Catastropheshe 7 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Pls remember bout Rejewski, Zygalski and Różycki and not only praised Turing, its not "some Poles", they found out method to break it long before English , also Turing didnt had to runaway through whole Europe for his life so obviously could find out better methods to break it

  • @keninswed
    @keninswed 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    So well done and will most definitely withstand the test of time. This was so exciting to watch, top grade content

  • @iss9875
    @iss9875 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Yet again whoever talks about Enigma conveniently omits 3 polish cryptographers: Rejewski, Zygalski and Różycki. Without them Alan Touring, whom I admire very much, would probably not know where to begin.

  • @ronaldderooij1774
    @ronaldderooij1774 10 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    I am not sure I understood what mathematics contributed in breaking the code. It seems to me from this vid it was an engineers job (and a lot of work by others as well).

    • @bronzenrule
      @bronzenrule 10 ปีที่แล้ว

      Watch this computerphile video: /watch?v=kj_7Jc1mS9k
      It may tell you what you want to know.

    • @ronaldderooij1774
      @ronaldderooij1774 10 ปีที่แล้ว

      ***** I sense a topic for numberphile! Thanks.

    • @HowlingWolves98
      @HowlingWolves98 10 ปีที่แล้ว

      After the war, the Allies estimated that the war would have ended 2 years later, effectively killing million more lives if not for the creation of bombe.

    • @jeniamtl6950
      @jeniamtl6950 10 ปีที่แล้ว

      Nightmare wolf
      lol. Germany was beaten without the bomb. Japan was wayyy the weaker enemy. Plus Japan was totally destroyed: the Americans bombed their, wood constructed, cities at will with incendiary ammunition, mined their harbors and totally destroyed all their armies. Also, why the totally gratis second bomb...

    • @jeniamtl6950
      @jeniamtl6950 10 ปีที่แล้ว

      Nightmare wolf
      lol. sorry. i didnt know what you were talking about at first.

  • @Ania-vf2bw
    @Ania-vf2bw 5 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Men who first discovered this were from Poland, and no one remembers this...

    • @numberphile
      @numberphile  5 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      I think everyone in Poland does and they spend plenty of time online telling us about it. 🇵🇱 👍🏻

    • @Ania-vf2bw
      @Ania-vf2bw 5 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @@numberphile you're right! I just think it's kinda sad how other nations don't remember hundreds of great things that polish people did for entire world.

    • @Ania-vf2bw
      @Ania-vf2bw 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Today I was reading a lot about enigma and nowhere I saw these men mentioned

    • @theghostofspookwagen4715
      @theghostofspookwagen4715 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I actually read the murderous maths book on codes as a kid. I don't remember the Pole who was mentioned, but I do know to give them credit.

  • @JohnSmith-eo5sp
    @JohnSmith-eo5sp 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    The Achilles Heal of the Enigma Cipher was the Umkerwalze itself. The reciprocal letter arrangement was a starting point for a process of elimination in a mass analysis

  • @SomeRandomFellow
    @SomeRandomFellow 10 ปีที่แล้ว +68

    For those of you wondering, James said "Mein Deutsch ist sehr schlecht. Entschuldigung!" That literally means "My german is very bad. Excuse me!"

    • @SomeRandomFellow
      @SomeRandomFellow 10 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      biscuitdave lol. I'm taking German in high school (Im a Freshman btw)

    • @kargelr
      @kargelr 10 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Keep it up. I wish I'd taken more languages back then. Four years of Spanish, but it was pretty basic even at that. I still want to learn some French and Arabic because they are so beautiful.

    • @SomeRandomFellow
      @SomeRandomFellow 10 ปีที่แล้ว

      biscuitdave Most of the people are taking spanish at my school solely because they had it shoved down their throats for the past 8 years (it was pretty much forced upon us for some strange reason)

    • @kargelr
      @kargelr 10 ปีที่แล้ว

      Paul Kelly Well, it is usable in the U.S. Helps later with employment applications, trust me. But I do want to do something different. Maybe I'll use Rosetta Stone or an app.

    • @SomeRandomFellow
      @SomeRandomFellow 10 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      biscuitdave Spanish never interested me, and the teacher was extremely easy, so she quizzed us on like 5 words, so I always aced it without studying. After that, we never brought up those words again. THe day after the test I forgot all the words because we never used them again and I didnt really want to remember them. German really interested me, and I'm glad I took it. In my high school, you are only required to take 2 years of a foreign language, but I am going to take all 4 and get in the German Honors Soceity in my Sophomore year because I love German so much.

  • @silvereq
    @silvereq 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    How typical of the British to ommit the contribution of the actual codebreakers of the enigma code and the 3-rotor version of it. Touring was an absolute genious dont get me wrong, but the Bombe algorythm was not his - it was created by Marjan Rajewski and his team at Cypher Bureau of occupied Poland. Touring brilliance was he then built a machine to execute this algo in an extreme fast, mechanical way to decrypt the 5-rotor version of the Enigma machine.

    • @ruebendelvecchio811
      @ruebendelvecchio811 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Show me evidence of the 5 rotor enigma machine.

  • @spr30
    @spr30 4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    should've gone with "don't mention the war" instead of "weather report"

  • @WimDOo
    @WimDOo 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Great presentatie and a complex issue explained easy. Thx !

  • @EvelynnEleonore
    @EvelynnEleonore 10 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    ohnohnoOHNO HIS GERMAN IS SO ADORABLE AS IN HE'S ACTUALLY SO PRECIOUS Brady can you please market plush toys modelled after him PLEASE

  • @christopherpeery7436
    @christopherpeery7436 3 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    "The inner machinations of my mind are an enigma"
    ~ alan turing

  • @kemp10
    @kemp10 10 ปีที่แล้ว +22

    What about the letter ß (Esszett)?

  • @kevinskipp2762
    @kevinskipp2762 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    The flaws were primarily in human usage rather than the machine. Using it to send messages whose contents could be predicted as you said and also apparently I read somewhere that laziness meant that when they changed the settings they often only changed them marginally...so once you cracked today's settings the next day's would be quicker as you checked the closest ones first.
    Even with the flaw in the machine itself if it had been used in a more disciplined way, it could have been unbreakable with the technology at the time.

  • @Pfsif
    @Pfsif 7 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    It helps that the "code breakers" had an Enigma machine to work with.

    • @ali-azizimayer-peters6686
      @ali-azizimayer-peters6686 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @glyn hodges Yes an Hitler lived on the Moon with his Alien-Friends. I visit him every year.

  • @arturaskarbocius6091
    @arturaskarbocius6091 8 ปีที่แล้ว +16

    Polish mathematician found other flaw alphabet on rotors sequenced alphabetically, Germans strict ORDNUNG backfires.

  • @aaron9828
    @aaron9828 8 ปีที่แล้ว +78

    I was so happy when you spoke German 😂

    • @klobiforpresident2254
      @klobiforpresident2254 8 ปีที่แล้ว +13

      The "ch" not.

    • @rik4351
      @rik4351 7 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Kali Southpaw
      I'd rather not

    • @rik4351
      @rik4351 7 ปีที่แล้ว

      "Spoke German"

  • @maindepth8830
    @maindepth8830 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    all of the guests that u btring are always so bright with energy