I am a penholder and i know the disadventage of being a penhold but I choose to be a penhold cause it makes me do a lot of footwork ,that way i stay fit and lean.
I don't think shakehand is superior to penhold. If you have a good react skill penhold can be very deadly for shakehand. I just see more fun playing penhold.
Thanks. I agree. I think PH is nicer aesthetically and the strokes are more interesting in my opinion. Plus, PH is what I learned first so it's more comfortable for me.
Like Xu Xin said (Translated): "Despite that there are disadvantages of being a Penhold, there are more positive points from it. And in playing table tennis, we all need to diversify."
Chris Choi well i used to play table tennis long ago was good at it...I was a penhold player, if you master it is very powerful..I had a china coach who also held penhold ,his serves were unstoppable. Don't think you can create the same spin with shakehand..
GecaPhoenix I remember watching your vids a few years back and actually requested you to make this vid. Stumbled upon it once again. Ah, such good memories. Been a while since i picked up my bat. In the mood right now.
Excelent as always Geca... The advantage of a penholder is for sure the capability of using their forehand in almost every point of the table... by the way my favorite penhold player is indeed Wang Hao, cuz his topspin game and his great reverse backhand that complements his forehand...
Even though this video was created 14 years ago, there was Ma Long and in 2024 ,in Paris , ML is still there. How long was he the world top level ! So surprised. The GOAT, Ma Long !!
@GecaPhoenix no - thank you for the vids. And mine is Xu Xin as well, can't think of more powerfull forehand. Love his match agains Ma Long, awesome rallies.
I love penholders. I'm shakehand but I want to turn into penholder. The only weakness is the backhand,in penhold technique I find natural to do the backhand like japanease penholders grip does, but I admit that penhold reverse backand of chinese penhold grips is so much powerful and effective. I'd like to try a chinese penhold blade to try the reverse backhand,but I have just little portion of blade to do this,from the middle to the border,is easy to miss the hit. Long life to penholders!
Valter Bastianelli my penhold backhand is very powerful on neutral balls more powerful than shake hands playrs but my top spin on chop balls is not effective.
The penhold grip, in my opinion, is harder to perfect than shakehand, especially the reverse penhold. I have gone from a regular penhold(japanese & chinese) to a reverse penhold, & now to shakehand. I feel that the shakehand is quicker on the backhand side & easily blocks heavy loopers on both sides. Penhold has better control & touch on serves but shakehand has better returns. Ultimately, it lies in the hands of the player as to how good he wants to be w/ any style. As Ma Lin w/ penhold.
since 1988, 4 times olympic champions by penholder!!! Love more the style of jp-pen -so grace- like Kim taek soo and ryu seung min then chinese-pen. but wang hao, xu xin and in 80s jiang jialing (many forget about this very beautiful played style) are also good... thanks....
@BollForte94 Hehe,you're right bro,amazing point!;D But I already put that point in many videos,so I choose to put new points(for example Ma Lin vs Ma Long or Ma Lin vs Tang Peng ecc...). Thanks for your comment. :)
@GecaPhoenix Xu Xin´s matches are pure ecstasy, he has one of the fittest bodies, most aggressive styles and both the technique and determination to be #1 !!!
Hey Geca, I like so much of your videos and I was waiting for someone like this one because I'm a Penholder player... Great Video! Congratulations! Oh, and I would like to see you make a video like a tribute or something like that for JO Waldner... I think he's the best of all times!
PENHOLD ROCKS \m/ OH BY THE WAY IM A PENHOLDER! :D AND I AGREE THAT PENHOLD HAVE THE MOST POWERFUL TOPSPIN! THATS WHY I LOVE BEING A PENHOLDER! I SALUTE ALL THE PENHOLDERS! :D
@ttmaster10 Actually my first coach was my dad who taught me with the penhold grip but when i trained with a new coach i learned shakehand... actually both are pretty fun to play.. but the only thing i got stuck with was i got used to getting many shots by my forehand.
Think of this: Current World Champion: Penholder: Wang Hao The last two olympic champions: Penholder: Ryu Seung Min and Ma Lin No Shakehander :D If you mastered the chinese penholder you are unbeatable
look at that footwork at 2:00 clip by Ma Lin. Thats ungodly. There is no other player than him who can position himself so perfectly for every shot. Its only a shame he was playing Ma Long at the time who was the only player at the time who couldve won that point.
It is the penholders that add the much needed personality and unpredictability to the sport, similar to what single-handed topspin backhands are to tennis. They are both dying arts in their sports dominated by robots.
Anyone else have no idea how they learned to do penhold? The first time I played ping pong I had no idea what shakehold or penhold was and never watched ping pong in my life, yet I somehow used the penhold without anyone teaching me or showing me what it looked like. It's really strange.. maybe it's because I'm Chinese.
I am a penholder and i know the disadventage of being a penhold but I choose to be a penhold cause it makes me do a lot of footwork ,that way i stay fit and lean.
Just curious - do you think shakehand is better? Why?
I don't think shakehand is superior to penhold. If you have a good react skill penhold can be very deadly for shakehand. I just see more fun playing penhold.
Thanks. I agree. I think PH is nicer aesthetically and the strokes are more interesting in my opinion. Plus, PH is what I learned first so it's more comfortable for me.
Like Xu Xin said (Translated): "Despite that there are disadvantages of being a Penhold, there are more positive points from it. And in playing table tennis, we all need to diversify."
Chris Choi well i used to play table tennis long ago was good at it...I was a penhold player, if you master it is very powerful..I had a china coach who also held penhold ,his serves were unstoppable. Don't think you can create the same spin with shakehand..
The perfect Penhold player is someone who has the RPB of Wang Hao, Killer FH and amazing Footwork of RYU SEUNG MIN and the mental toughness of MA LIN.
Xu xin?
Man, those penholders have incredible footworks.
Thanks for the vid. Once more great job.
YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS. At last, ive waited so long for this. Thanks Geca. Much appreciated man. Well done once again.
fantastic man!!!! your are the best! inspirational!! P.S thanks for putting my new channel in the description :))
GecaPhoenix I remember watching your vids a few years back and actually requested you to make this vid. Stumbled upon it once again. Ah, such good memories. Been a while since i picked up my bat. In the mood right now.
Excelent as always Geca... The advantage of a penholder is for sure the capability of using their forehand in almost every point of the table... by the way my favorite penhold player is indeed Wang Hao, cuz his topspin game and his great reverse backhand that complements his forehand...
Geca thank you very much for one penhold vid. Waiting so long :)
Great points and nice cuts ! :)
Pen is the best.
Even though this video was created 14 years ago, there was Ma Long and in 2024 ,in Paris , ML is still there. How long was he the world top level !
So surprised. The GOAT, Ma Long !!
@tyoungos Yeah,Wang Hao is amazing man.Incredible BH!
Thanks for your comment:)
a.k.a., the Ma Lin and Xu Xin show. Thanks for putting this together.
@kevinfzkevinfz The song is Love and Loss(by Two Steps from Hell).
@BollForte94 :-)
No problem,I'm glad you liked it bro.Thanks again for post:)
Great vid and great quality bro :) awesome last point too !
@kenneth97913 The song is Synaesthetic(by blue man group).
I wanna see Waldner playing penhold... After seeing this vid haha. So for Waldner, just record a video with you playing penhold style.
Great video. Im a pen-hold player too. Thanks for sharing!
Hey guys,
it's very interesting to read your opinions about the best Penhold player!
Many thanks!Have a good weekend everyone.
GREAT JOB MAN
another great table tennis video
I am a penholder so i loved this video
keep this great job man
@Isaac231LGB Thanks a lot for your post friend,I'm glad you liked this trailer:)
I'll try to make also a tribute to the Mozart of TT in the future;)
@TTSchnibra Thanks a lot Schnibra;)
The song is Love & Loss(by Two Steps From Hell).Love this music man:)
@Irfan87 I'm glad you liked this video Irfan!Thanks for your comment and rate:)
Great point man!But I didn't put it because of the low quality.
Quality better than ITTF videos nowadays
@GecaPhoenix no - thank you for the vids.
And mine is Xu Xin as well, can't think of more powerfull forehand.
Love his match agains Ma Long, awesome rallies.
@tanguydu222 penhold is the style of the players how they hold the racket. for example: Timo Boll plays shakehand and Ma Lin plays Penhold
Thanks to everyone for all comments and rate,guys!
Have a good weekend.
I love penholders. I'm shakehand but I want to turn into penholder. The only weakness is the backhand,in penhold technique I find natural to do the backhand like japanease penholders grip does, but I admit that penhold reverse backand of chinese penhold grips is so much powerful and effective. I'd like to try a chinese penhold blade to try the reverse backhand,but I have just little portion of blade to do this,from the middle to the border,is easy to miss the hit. Long life to penholders!
Valter Bastianelli my penhold backhand is very powerful on neutral balls more powerful than shake hands playrs but my top spin on chop balls is not effective.
@007StevenS :D
Thanks Steven!:)
4:45 is he zhi wen. He plays short pips and has a wonderful directional blocking game.
Thank you so much for comments guys! :)
Who is your favourite Penhold player?
I like so much Xu Xin's style and Kim Taek Soo.
Awesome video! Great graphic!
Great as always.
Ma Lin is awesome.
The penhold grip, in my opinion, is harder to perfect than shakehand, especially the reverse penhold. I have gone from a regular penhold(japanese & chinese) to a reverse penhold, & now to shakehand. I feel that the shakehand is quicker on the backhand side & easily blocks heavy loopers on both sides. Penhold has better control & touch on serves but shakehand has better returns. Ultimately, it lies in the hands of the player as to how good he wants to be w/ any style. As Ma Lin w/ penhold.
@BarnabasG No problem bro,thanks too! :)
I'm glad you enjoyed it! :)
Thanks a lot also for sub to my channel,you're welcome.
Penholder never dies 💪💪 💪
@GecaPhoenix Awesome thanks! Really like your song choices for you videos!
Thanks for upload! love it :)
@waynebenn45 I'm glad you liked this quality,thanks a lot for post man:)
@WazzaScooba Thanks for your comment man!;)
since 1988, 4 times olympic champions by penholder!!!
Love more the style of jp-pen -so grace- like Kim taek soo and ryu seung min then chinese-pen. but wang hao, xu xin and in 80s jiang jialing (many forget about this very beautiful played style) are also good...
thanks....
@oryxfreeride Yeah bro,this point is amazing!But the quality is too low for a video HD:(
@BollForte94 Hehe,you're right bro,amazing point!;D
But I already put that point in many videos,so I choose to put new points(for example Ma Lin vs Ma Long or Ma Lin vs Tang Peng ecc...).
Thanks for your comment. :)
@GecaPhoenix Xu Xin´s matches are pure ecstasy, he has one of the fittest bodies, most aggressive styles and both the technique and determination to be #1 !!!
Hey Geca, I like so much of your videos and I was waiting for someone like this one because I'm a Penholder player... Great Video! Congratulations!
Oh, and I would like to see you make a video like a tribute or something like that for JO Waldner... I think he's the best of all times!
I like see Penholder play.
@GecaPhoenix thanks =D i love your videos keep making em!!
DAMM IT, 0:17 WHAT A FCKIN PENHOLD BACKHAND SIMPLY GODLIKE!!!
4:14 is just amazing!
great clips!
@ixxbazxxi Good idea man,thanks!
In the future I'll try to make also a Tribute to Germany and China Team!:)
What an amazing video,thank you so much.
Camera man at 4:40 going "Aha, table tennis i see."
Ma Lin my idol
Xu Xin is so amazing and Wang Hao too and Ma Lin
increible el video es uno d lso mejroes que he visto
@GecaPhoenix What's the song at 3:02? It sounds really nice
@GecaPhoenix xu xin,ma lin and wang hao
só não entendi pq vc botou o ponto no 1:44, pois é o Ma Long que pontua (ele é classista)
@ttmaster10 i was a former penholder and now i use shakehand... actually for me both are good and both have strengths and weaknesses...
PENHOLD ROCKS \m/ OH BY THE WAY IM A PENHOLDER! :D AND I AGREE THAT PENHOLD HAVE THE MOST POWERFUL TOPSPIN! THATS WHY I LOVE BEING A PENHOLDER! I SALUTE ALL THE PENHOLDERS! :D
awesome video!
@GecaPhoenix what's the song at 0:38?? it's awesome
@ttCrawsaive Yeah bro,4:55!;D
Thanks for your post,I'm glad you liked this little trailer:)
@ytchiening Yeah,thanks for your post and thanks for remembering jiang jialiang!
Amazing player!:)
@SunnieSue70 Grazie sunnie!!!;)Gentilissima!;)
@GecaPhoenix at 1:51 How old was Ma long there?
Geca, what's the title of the song that starts at 0:38?
@ttmaster10 Actually my first coach was my dad who taught me with the penhold grip but when i trained with a new coach i learned shakehand... actually both are pretty fun to play.. but the only thing i got stuck with was i got used to getting many shots by my forehand.
nice quality!
I love playing penhold ! Faster thanks normal
Xu Xin is so amazing and Wang Hao too and Ma Lin
liu guoliang...a true legend
Great vid,
When and where was that first game?
Great video.
Think of this:
Current World Champion: Penholder: Wang Hao
The last two olympic champions: Penholder: Ryu Seung Min and Ma Lin
No Shakehander :D
If you mastered the chinese penholder you are unbeatable
@IxchoO21 Hey bro,check out: 4:55 ;)
Wang Jian Jun vs Ma Lin! :)
Good match;)
look at that footwork at 2:00 clip by Ma Lin. Thats ungodly. There is no other player than him who can position himself so perfectly for every shot. Its only a shame he was playing Ma Long at the time who was the only player at the time who couldve won that point.
pas assez longue lol! super video
What the heck is that ball in 4:45, that looks so amazing
And who's the guy served that ball
He zhi Wen
It is the penholders that add the much needed personality and unpredictability to the sport, similar to what single-handed topspin backhands are to tennis. They are both dying arts in their sports dominated by robots.
Awesome Vid, Geca, as always! ;-)
What is the name of yours intro song? It's awesome too :)
Greetz Schnibra
ofcourse penholder, what else... ;-)
Anyone else have no idea how they learned to do penhold? The first time I played ping pong I had no idea what shakehold or penhold was and never watched ping pong in my life, yet I somehow used the penhold without anyone teaching me or showing me what it looked like. It's really strange.. maybe it's because I'm Chinese.
I think best penholder is wang forehand2 strong xD
double bounce in 5:17 ??
Looked like it just hit the net the first time.
where i find a single video of this serve 4:45 ?
Ma Lin is a lion and I luv Ryu Seong Min
4:45 was also insane
are you dutch? i hear dutch commentary
perfect.
sei un mostroo geca!
@yordancho LGL vs. Ma Lin.
(NEW) - 12 years ago
That was almost "kneework". Lol.
4:46 superb...
What's penhold ?
whoah who was that at 4:20?
@FIBONACCIVEGA Wow,thanks a lot man!:)