Mine took 45 days to come. I saw your videos and posts in the forum and even though I was hesitant, I decided to get it. It is indeed a nice multi-tool. The quality is impressive for what it is. And at that price, it is even better. Excellent gift, loaner, or beater tool. Thanks again. I thought I was subscribed, but I was not. I am now. Cheers.
@@maxlvledc It looks fine, and is decent quality. The small tools lock solidly, as does the file. The serrated blade and saw have a little play. The plain edge blade has a lot of play, so I am just a tiny bit disappointed. I do not know what to do. I am not going to return it. it took a long time to get here, and if I send this back it might get lost in the way, and even if they receive it, who knows how long it will take for a replacement to get here, if they agree to replace it. Maybe a partial refund?
I have a Gerber multiplyer I gave to my son it was expensive back when I bought. i got a multi force and i love it. It's the best for the price so far. Love the outside open and the driver set. The price man just can't beat it. ALSO many players can pinch you including my multiplyer.
No my brother no ranting lots of useful stuff in your on goings I just recently lost a Leatherman super tool 300 or it possibly was narrowed if you know what I mean But I to have come across these amazing things I am sold at the price points as well this is something hard to beat and the fact it's a Ozark trail or a mossey oak is quite something like I am so impressed with the whole thing of not having to spend that type of money for a Leatherman replacement I will be buying a nock off that will do the job hands down I am a fan that sometimes cheaper is better just because I feal reality is what ever gets it done Thank you for broadening up what I have heard others talking about now I do see it's all true and very forth with as a consumer and a craftsmen who relying to good quality tools this is amazing and damb good for he money Thank you for your time to share your findings
Great presentation mate. Yeah.. you're Mr. Miyagi of multifold & respected, not just for your knowledge but also for widening our horizon on tool using. You're correct in saying that we don't need high end tools to perform and again as you say not many of us, including me can afford over price gadgets. I have friends in the police force, firemen & women, in the military & rescue team uses Chinese made apparatus to perform their duties & rescuing. It works, that's all that matters & it doesn't break the bank. "Pimp my Multi" that's what my twin girls call your show. As knives are illegal to carry where we are, a multitool is acceptable. Go figure!! My girls never leave home without their multitool as we live on a large land area full of bushes, trees & wild life. Thank you for sharing. Stay safe mate.
@@maxlvledc Nikkei carry a Trojan multi tool. Nellei carry a Kathmandu multi tool. Both tools also came with a folder utility knives. Recently they both just turn 25 and asked me to make them a bush craft knives. A challenge indeed but I've got some sleeve spring in the workshop, it will work. My girls loves the outdoor & outback activities. They even make things with their multi tools, they can make notches, feathering etc & start fires. Their older sister Rylie carry a Victorinox. When the pandemic hits, they all came home & been with us ever since. It's a joy for their mother, having her babies at home. Although they can be a pain in the butt, we do spend quality time together. We go camping, fishing or fixing fences around the property. Over here they call Jillaroos. Again mate, cheers for sharing. Stay safe.
@@unfi6798 I'm glad you guys have turned a tough situation into a family opportunity. I've been on the hunt to make a true Bushcraft multitool..still not 100% happy with my results yet.
Thanks for the videos. This sadly isn't available in the UK, but the similar Swiss Tech is (not quite as good and missing the bit driver!). Are the parts inside (not the outside blades etc) compatible with Leatherman Rebar etc? Or is the mount hole the wrong size? Cheers!
Was wondering the following: I'm left handed. Do you think the serrated and knife blade can be swapped to other side of knife for left hand deployment?
I completely agree with you about leatherman. I do love some of their stuff but the company has gotten extremely lazy with its innovation, or lack thereof. The free series was nothing special in my opinion. That having been said, I EDC the supertool 300 and LOVE it. This was a great video showcasing these leatherman alternatives!! You did a great job, subd!
Cheers. In order for Leatherman to move forward it needs competition. Truthfully the other brands: Gerber, and suck...I mean SOG 🙄, need to up their game and give Leatherman some real competition.
Same here, I carry my Leatherman Super Tool 300 everyday, and it's my favorite Leatherman by far. But I really enjoy my Ozark Trail Multiforce too, it's heavy and built well.
@@maxlvledc Oh yeah... I bought 2 Gerbers around Christmas, and until they went dull, they were nice. However, afterwards, the blades proved nearly impossible to resharpen correctly. I stay away from Gerber, and I won't touch SOG stuff (except for the SEAL Pup knife).
I found ball detent tools from my grandfather's old toolbox that fit in the Multiforce. Including from some tool from the 60's a 5 inch nail puller, a marlin spike, a quarter in socket adapter, and an 8 inch slotted screwdriver attachment. These give my Multiforce far more versatility than I thought it would have.
I managed to swap a siupro outside accessible scissors into the multiforce and surge scissors into the siupro... Looking through your back catalog I haven't found the "multiforce p2" mod but I am extremely interested in that possibility Thanks for testing out/experimenting with those mods 🙂
I got it at Walmart funny thing they had it locked up behind the counter the other thing is on line it's $27$ in the store it is $42$ still in all it's a greater deal then the full price of a leather man
Bought 1 for 28 bucks on clearance fell in love went out and got another one for 38 bucks to keep on my truck I can't tell the difference in quality between this and my wave but the almost 70 bucks price difference sure is noticeable espaiclly if I lose it.
@@maxlvledc mossy oak/ Ozark trail seem to be stepping up their game with this I have a mossy oak folder carambit too came with a fixed blade one and it's surprisingly well built it's a clone of a more expensive design seems to have g10 scales and tephlon washers and whatever the blade steel is holds a nice edge for awhile considering I paid 3 bucks for it I was impressed.
Hi, I bought the multiforce and I have noticed that the pearl blade has a smoother opening than the rest of the leaves, and separate the lime blade when opening it and blocking it when moving it by hand it has a little vertical slack How could I adjust everything to make the opening a little harder and eliminate slack ?
For those wanting to replace the scissors spring in a SAK, just buy one of the $3 Swiss Card knockoffs and steal the scissors spring from it. You get a toothpick, pen and tweezers as a bonus !!
And I'm subbed I can't afford hundreds of dollars in multitools anymore and I won't pay it. So I wanted an affordable good working one and so far I love love it
Can you add the Leatherman t-shank holder to the multiforce? As it turns out the answer is no ......Incase anyone else was wondering too. Thanks Maxlvledc for your quick response to my email,and for all your yt videos....I was inspired to buy the multiforce watching your videos and must admit .....it's the best $40.00 Ive spent.
Хэй мужик , возможно тебе придется использовать переводчик , но Мой первый МО был по качеству лучше чем второй , ножницы , обработка и рама были чуть лучше , Но кусачки сломались , и я поставил в половину ручки на место "ключей" битодержатель, вышла клевая штука. А еще ,клинки менять местамм так удобнее .
I cant find it on ali expess, but I did find a clone from swiss tech! www.aliexpress.com/item/1005001844997342.html?spm=a2g0o.productlist.0.0.6314745bvfLr1z&algo_pvid=09a98ecd-9fcb-46df-b705-00f55b016783&algo_expid=09a98ecd-9fcb-46df-b705-00f55b016783-1&btsid=0b0a556616092984356245795e608d&ws_ab_test=searchweb0_0,searchweb201602_,searchweb201603_
can you tell me which is the multi-bit screwdriver you use in the video ... I'm not from the USA and in my country you can't find those double bits with detent ball neither in amazon nor walmart, they don't sell them anywhere if you can tell me I would appreciate it I just bought the Multiforce thanks in advance for your answer
@@maxlvledc The blade of the Multiforce, which I believe is made of 8Cr13MoV is actually pretty decent, better than the 420HC found in most other Leatherman's 58-59 HRC compared to 56-58 even if just slightly. knifeinformer.com/knife-steel-composition-chart/ Also I saw a comparison of Wave vs. Multiforce and the wire cutters (while not replaceable) did a better job than the Wave.
@@nycgags yea, it's an impressive tool, there are a lot of things to overcome to get the s30V blade in there. I'd say carry a sharpener like a worksharp micro sharpener and you will never have an issues.
The MultiForce is a very nice LOOKING multi-tool and I may still use this as a modder. However PLEASE NOTE that this tool, based on my use case, is NOT strong enough to handle much torque on the pliers head. It broke the first time I used it for something I really needed it to work on.
@@maxlvledc the retaining bar on the bit driver side of the pliers bent and slipped on that side, making the pliers unuseable. I took of the pliers head and moved the other internal tools to that end of the bit driver side. Also swapped the file for the saw so now I have a fairly good tool set that I can still use.
Many multi tool pliers are not designed to withstand heavy twisting force (I assume that's what you mean by torque). That's kind of like using a knife as a pry bar-not recommended.
@@garthtimmins2852 I continue to be amazed that people keep trying to defend this tool. It has its merits and I still use mine. But that does not negate the fact that there is a design flaw in this tool that the binary and the flissa do not have. Why do we keep defending a tool that is inherently weaker than its competition? Let's just stop it.
Leatherman should really upgrade the bit holder to a real one. And why are they still so focused on flat and Phillips screwdrivers? Torx is everywhere nowadays. They should provide a pocket clip , 150€, and they can't provide a pocket clip??? And for this price they could really improve the blade steel.
Really a tool of choice, if you're on a budget. Low quality steel though and poor heat treatment (my guess is 50-52HRc), but hey, for around 20 bucks you get a tool that gets most of the jobs done.
@@druidic4353 - 8Cr13MoV is a low quality steel, but what makes it a good or bad knife is the heat treatment - and there the manufacturers tend to cut down their costs. Sharpen the blade to Razor sharp, then cut through 10 yards of cardboard and look, if it still cuts paper. If it does - ok, if not it's a poor heat treatment. BTW: I own the Kershaw '1920 'Select Fire' which is from 8Cr13MoV too. It cost me 47€ and is hardened to 57 HRc, the same as my Moras.
@@mannihh5274 8cr13mov has a way better chemical composition than leathermans 420a or Bucks420hc.. It's at the high end of budget stainless steels and .8 percent carbon is better for edge making and edge holding than either of the 420's at .37 and .46 respectively. No one into knives would choose for 420 over 8cr13mov. BTW. The Chinese consistently show they know how to properly heat treat their stainless steel as well as tool steels like D2..
@@mikeborrelli193 - fully agree, 8Cr13MoV is a better steel quality than 420, but it's still a budget steel. Also fully agree, that the chinese know how to heat treat - but they not always do, especially on cheap knives/tools. As I said, sharpen it, hone it and cut cardboard, then you will see, if there is a proper heat treatment. I once bought an Esee-Izula-clone from China, the "thingy" they sent me was not even forged, but cast. They lied it was 1095. Got some "Nylon-Paracord-550" that actually was from polypropelene too from there.
There is a market for quality tools that American's want and can afford. Leatherman will need to accept this and adapt if they don't want to see a decline in sales in the future. Even the Chinese want your money, and they aren't going to continue to put out crap if it isn't selling. The game is being upped. The 2020 OT Fixed Blades are a STEAL for the price for what you get.
your dead right, the Leatherman warranty and reputation has kept them in the game through a number of missteps already, they need to get back to making functional tools.
true...but in this case.. not only is it designed somewhat differently (outboard tools are on opposite side from the wave), but also all relevant patents on the wave are expired regardless.
If Leatherman was smart they would make a completely customizable multi tool, with tons of options. Am I the only one who finds it funny that nobody has really done that? You can make things work, but they aren't built for the platform, you have to watch out for quality of like ebay mods. Really what are they thinking?!
The reason that no one is talking about the scissors is bcz mostly men by these tools. Only women are interested in scissors, not men. That is why there's a knife.....get a clue man
Great review! You focus on the important points for a cost effective multitool. Good job!
Great videos today brother. Your personality starting to come through. Really enjoyed watching them
I'm a passionate Irish/Italian American...I come by my intensity honestly lol.
Mine took 45 days to come. I saw your videos and posts in the forum and even though I was hesitant, I decided to get it. It is indeed a nice multi-tool. The quality is impressive for what it is. And at that price, it is even better. Excellent gift, loaner, or beater tool.
Thanks again. I thought I was subscribed, but I was not. I am now. Cheers.
Did you get the camo one? Look good?
@@maxlvledc It looks fine, and is decent quality. The small tools lock solidly, as does the file. The serrated blade and saw have a little play. The plain edge blade has a lot of play, so I am just a tiny bit disappointed. I do not know what to do. I am not going to return it. it took a long time to get here, and if I send this back it might get lost in the way, and even if they receive it, who knows how long it will take for a replacement to get here, if they agree to replace it. Maybe a partial refund?
@@bilakos1987 play in what way?? Can you show me on IG?
I have a Gerber multiplyer I gave to my son it was expensive back when I bought. i got a multi force and i love it. It's the best for the price so far. Love the outside open and the driver set. The price man just can't beat it. ALSO many players can pinch you including my multiplyer.
No my brother no ranting lots of useful stuff in your on goings I just recently lost a Leatherman super tool 300 or it possibly was narrowed if you know what I mean
But I to have come across these amazing things I am sold at the price points as well this is something hard to beat and the fact it's a Ozark trail or a mossey oak is quite something like I am so impressed with the whole thing of not having to spend that type of money for a Leatherman replacement I will be buying a nock off that will do the job hands down I am a fan that sometimes cheaper is better just because I feal reality is what ever gets it done
Thank you for broadening up what I have heard others talking about now I do see it's all true and very forth with as a consumer and a craftsmen who relying to good quality tools this is amazing and damb good for he money
Thank you for your time to share your findings
Great presentation mate. Yeah.. you're Mr. Miyagi of multifold & respected, not just for your knowledge but also for widening our horizon on tool using. You're correct in saying that we don't need high end tools to perform and again as you say not many of us, including me can afford over price gadgets. I have friends in the police force, firemen & women, in the military & rescue team uses Chinese made apparatus to perform their duties & rescuing. It works, that's all that matters & it doesn't break the bank. "Pimp my Multi" that's what my twin girls call your show. As knives are illegal to carry where we are, a multitool is acceptable. Go figure!! My girls never leave home without their multitool as we live on a large land area full of bushes, trees & wild life. Thank you for sharing. Stay safe mate.
Oh!!! What do your girls carry????
@@maxlvledc Nikkei carry a Trojan multi tool. Nellei carry a Kathmandu multi tool. Both tools also came with a folder utility knives. Recently they both just turn 25 and asked me to make them a bush craft knives. A challenge indeed but I've got some sleeve spring in the workshop, it will work. My girls loves the outdoor & outback activities. They even make things with their multi tools, they can make notches, feathering etc & start fires. Their older sister Rylie carry a Victorinox. When the pandemic hits, they all came home & been with us ever since. It's a joy for their mother, having her babies at home. Although they can be a pain in the butt, we do spend quality time together. We go camping, fishing or fixing fences around the property. Over here they call Jillaroos. Again mate, cheers for sharing. Stay safe.
@@unfi6798 I'm glad you guys have turned a tough situation into a family opportunity. I've been on the hunt to make a true Bushcraft multitool..still not 100% happy with my results yet.
Youre a funny guy
I use a Dewalt Bit Extender on my Multiforce.
I know that Leatherman Wave pinch. Always when I’m in a hurry.
Love the video!
Thanks for the videos. This sadly isn't available in the UK, but the similar Swiss Tech is (not quite as good and missing the bit driver!). Are the parts inside (not the outside blades etc) compatible with Leatherman Rebar etc? Or is the mount hole the wrong size? Cheers!
You can put parts from them into leatherman...but not the other way around
@@maxlvledc Thanks! Will give that a try!
@@maxlvledc Can you please give us any information on the screwdriver you showed in this video ? Brand, link etc
I just ordered a Dremel and intend to make a t-shank adapter for the multiforce...I'll let you know how it goes
Was wondering the following: I'm left handed. Do you think the serrated and knife blade can be swapped to other side of knife for left hand deployment?
Sadly no. It changes the tang angle.
No flack here good tool great mods. Nice job
Cheers.
Would the 6mm x 3 magnets work better for single bits and still have enough room for double sided bits ?
I completely agree with you about leatherman. I do love some of their stuff but the company has gotten extremely lazy with its innovation, or lack thereof. The free series was nothing special in my opinion. That having been said, I EDC the supertool 300 and LOVE it. This was a great video showcasing these leatherman alternatives!! You did a great job, subd!
Cheers. In order for Leatherman to move forward it needs competition. Truthfully the other brands: Gerber, and suck...I mean SOG 🙄, need to up their game and give Leatherman some real competition.
Same here, I carry my Leatherman Super Tool 300 everyday, and it's my favorite Leatherman by far. But I really enjoy my Ozark Trail Multiforce too, it's heavy and built well.
@@maxlvledc Oh yeah... I bought 2 Gerbers around Christmas, and until they went dull, they were nice. However, afterwards, the blades proved nearly impossible to resharpen correctly. I stay away from Gerber, and I won't touch SOG stuff (except for the SEAL Pup knife).
@@beltfed4624 yea, it's been a shit show for them lately...
I found ball detent tools from my grandfather's old toolbox that fit in the Multiforce. Including from some tool from the 60's a 5 inch nail puller, a marlin spike, a quarter in socket adapter, and an 8 inch slotted screwdriver attachment. These give my Multiforce far more versatility than I thought it would have.
Where you ever able to make your thinner version of this multitool?
Also interested.
I'm going to make one out of a charge at some point soon
The screwdriver with the bits, where did you get that from? Really would like some double sided ball detent bits
Discontinued..klien has one though
I managed to swap a siupro outside accessible scissors into the multiforce and surge scissors into the siupro... Looking through your back catalog I haven't found the "multiforce p2" mod but I am extremely interested in that possibility
Thanks for testing out/experimenting with those mods 🙂
I still want to do it.
I got it at Walmart funny thing they had it locked up behind the counter the other thing is on line it's $27$ in the store it is $42$ still in all it's a greater deal then the full price of a leather man
@@davidsteinfeld9123 if you show them proof, they will give it to you for $27
Since you are using Aliexpress, what do you think about the "SWISS TECH 17 in 1 Multi Plier"?
its the same..but far worse from what I can see.
Bought 1 for 28 bucks on clearance fell in love went out and got another one for 38 bucks to keep on my truck I can't tell the difference in quality between this and my wave but the almost 70 bucks price difference sure is noticeable espaiclly if I lose it.
Yea it's surprisingly good
@@maxlvledc mossy oak/ Ozark trail seem to be stepping up their game with this I have a mossy oak folder carambit too came with a fixed blade one and it's surprisingly well built it's a clone of a more expensive design seems to have g10 scales and tephlon washers and whatever the blade steel is holds a nice edge for awhile considering I paid 3 bucks for it I was impressed.
@@jakehansen3418 mossy oak isn't making it, they are just stamping their name on it, I'm still not 100% sure who the manufacturer is.
@@maxlvledc hmmm well whoever made it they did a great job and need to keep it up.
Hi, I bought the multiforce and I have noticed that the pearl blade has a smoother opening than the rest of the leaves, and separate the lime blade when opening it and blocking it when moving it by hand it has a little vertical slack
How could I adjust everything to make the opening a little harder and eliminate slack ?
you could try to tighten the bolts, or take it apart and add a washer
@@maxlvledc ok, thank you very much, what kind of washers do you use? are they hard to get ??
@@ank15hkl85 Without needing to correct the issue myself..Im sorry couldnt tell you.
Thanks for sharing.
Do you know a deep pocket clip (i can't find in AliExpress) that works with Ozark Multiforce?
hmm, I'm sure it could be done..but I cant say I have time for the search at this point.
@@maxlvledc Ok. Do you know if its possible to add a lannyard? Is there a lannyard hole?
@@Jose-Ribeiro hmm, there isn't one, but it seems easier to do than a deep pocket clip
Great mods.
I just subbed because of this video :-)
Ty!
The spring steel broke on my scissors (def my fault) does anyone happen to know where I could find a replacement? These scissors are absolutely great
There are a number of Chinese brand equivalents on the market atm, I'd you bought it at Walmart you can try to get a swap
For those wanting to replace the scissors spring in a SAK, just buy one of the $3 Swiss Card knockoffs and steal the scissors spring from it. You get a toothpick, pen and tweezers as a bonus !!
What video did you do the magnet add on the 1/4 bit driver?
Don't know if I did..but it's really easy! Just drop it in to the bottom! And it should stay.
And I'm subbed I can't afford hundreds of dollars in multitools anymore and I won't pay it. So I wanted an affordable good working one and so far I love love it
Is MossyOak and OzarkTrail one in the same to be able to name both their multi-tools "Multiforce" ?
Not sure..
Will the bit exchanger from the ozark fit in the wave?
No, too wide sadly, will in the rebar/st300 though.
The Ozark Trail Multiforce P is incredible.
The p stands for Premium. 37.50!!!!
Can you add the Leatherman t-shank holder to the multiforce?
As it turns out the answer is no ......Incase anyone else was wondering too.
Thanks Maxlvledc for your quick response to my email,and for all your yt videos....I was inspired to buy the multiforce watching your videos and must admit .....it's the best $40.00 Ive spent.
Where do you find the mossy oak multiforce?
At walmart or Walmart.com
I have both and use the multiforce after 3 blood blisters I gave up on the wave
Could wearing gloves help? Not full blown thick leather gloves but like something as a barrier, a lighter glove.
@@dtacherra6063 Possibly, it was a nasty blood blister and after 3 I gave up
Where can I get the screwdriver you show at minute 10:27?
That particular one can't be bought any more, but I'll see if I can find something similar...there are many on Amazon
What’s the brand name of the screw driver
Хэй мужик , возможно тебе придется использовать переводчик , но
Мой первый МО был по качеству лучше чем второй , ножницы , обработка и рама были чуть лучше ,
Но кусачки сломались , и я поставил в половину ручки на место "ключей" битодержатель, вышла клевая штука.
А еще ,клинки менять местамм так удобнее .
Any way you can translate to english? Wish I could respond 😅
@@maxlvledc he said the first MO he got was a lot better, but the pliers broke.
*I can't find any Multiforce, or Mossy Oak, tool anywhere online.*
*I guess Leatherman bought them all to force us to buy their products!*
its found at Walmart, shouldnt be too hard to find.
@@maxlvledc *Walmarts stores are hard to find outside the US.*
I cant find it on ali expess, but I did find a clone from swiss tech! www.aliexpress.com/item/1005001844997342.html?spm=a2g0o.productlist.0.0.6314745bvfLr1z&algo_pvid=09a98ecd-9fcb-46df-b705-00f55b016783&algo_expid=09a98ecd-9fcb-46df-b705-00f55b016783-1&btsid=0b0a556616092984356245795e608d&ws_ab_test=searchweb0_0,searchweb201602_,searchweb201603_
@@maxlvledc *Thanks, I saw this one.*
*It does look a lot like a Leatherman Wave also ... I wonder how good it is.*
Hey my friend !!!please tell me the brand and model of the screwdriver or where they sell it...thanks 👍🏻
I have looked for those double ended bits with detnt ball and I can't find them anywhere ...
Made by Klein tools
U can also use the maxcraft bit kit as well
@@maxlvledc klein tools is very expensive 5$ for only two bits ...
can you tell me which is the multi-bit screwdriver you use in the video ... I'm not from the USA and in my country you can't find those double bits with detent ball neither in amazon nor walmart, they don't sell them anywhere if you can tell me I would appreciate it I just bought the Multiforce thanks in advance for your answer
How did you put the magnet kit in it?
It's really easy, need a 6mm x 1mm magnet. Just drops in
@@maxlvledc awesome will search it out. Special purpose or generic magnet..
Do you have a link to the $5 driver with bits
its discontinued..the Klein double sided drivers are the best bet.
can you mod the multiforce to accept a leatherman charge S30V blade?
No sadly, but I wouldn't want to anyway. The charge in general is a better tool with the exception of the scissors
@@maxlvledc The blade of the Multiforce, which I believe is made of 8Cr13MoV is actually pretty decent, better than the 420HC found in most other Leatherman's 58-59 HRC compared to 56-58 even if just slightly. knifeinformer.com/knife-steel-composition-chart/
Also I saw a comparison of Wave vs. Multiforce and the wire cutters (while not replaceable) did a better job than the Wave.
@@nycgags yea, it's an impressive tool, there are a lot of things to overcome to get the s30V blade in there. I'd say carry a sharpener like a worksharp micro sharpener and you will never have an issues.
I’m doing this.
Can't believe I'm saying this, but is it possible to swap the Multiforce scissors into a Wave?
Yes
This tool did great against some top name multi tools
Would the bit driver fit into the Leatherman Surge?
No to surge..too wide...ST300 and Rebar yes.
@@maxlvledc are the mount and locking mechanisms compatible?
@@matthewcopeland4441 the locks are compatible
The MultiForce is a very nice LOOKING multi-tool and I may still use this as a modder. However PLEASE NOTE that this tool, based on my use case, is NOT strong enough to handle much torque on the pliers head. It broke the first time I used it for something I really needed it to work on.
unfortunate... it does seem that there are some that are quite strong though. I've also been told from others they were shocked they didn't break.
@@maxlvledc the retaining bar on the bit driver side of the pliers bent and slipped on that side, making the pliers unuseable. I took of the pliers head and moved the other internal tools to that end of the bit driver side. Also swapped the file for the saw so now I have a fairly good tool set that I can still use.
Many multi tool pliers are not designed to withstand heavy twisting force (I assume that's what you mean by torque). That's kind of like using a knife as a pry bar-not recommended.
@@garthtimmins2852 I continue to be amazed that people keep trying to defend this tool. It has its merits and I still use mine. But that does not negate the fact that there is a design flaw in this tool that the binary and the flissa do not have. Why do we keep defending a tool that is inherently weaker than its competition? Let's just stop it.
Is it possible to mod the can opener to a package opener?
Seems relatively easy to do! Just needs to be sharpened
Leatherman should really upgrade the bit holder to a real one.
And why are they still so focused on flat and Phillips screwdrivers? Torx is everywhere nowadays.
They should provide a pocket clip , 150€, and they can't provide a pocket clip???
And for this price they could really improve the blade steel.
Why can't I find it online... 😂
It's like... gone...I've only seen it online at Ali express
My Walmart has about 12 of them in stock, but otherwise they're hard to snag online.
You can't beat it for the price the multiforce
Really a tool of choice, if you're on a budget. Low quality steel though and poor heat treatment (my guess is 50-52HRc), but hey, for around 20 bucks you get a tool that gets most of the jobs done.
It's 8cr13mov I'm sure it's better than that hrc
@@druidic4353 - 8Cr13MoV is a low quality steel, but what makes it a good or bad knife is the heat treatment - and there the manufacturers tend to cut down their costs. Sharpen the blade to Razor sharp, then cut through 10 yards of cardboard and look, if it still cuts paper. If it does - ok, if not it's a poor heat treatment.
BTW: I own the Kershaw '1920 'Select Fire' which is from 8Cr13MoV too. It cost me 47€ and is hardened to 57 HRc, the same as my Moras.
@@mannihh5274 8cr13mov has a way better chemical composition than leathermans 420a or Bucks420hc.. It's at the high end of budget stainless steels and .8 percent carbon is better for edge making and edge holding than either of the 420's at .37 and .46 respectively. No one into knives would choose for 420 over 8cr13mov. BTW. The Chinese consistently show they know how to properly heat treat their stainless steel as well as tool steels like D2..
@@mikeborrelli193 - fully agree, 8Cr13MoV is a better steel quality than 420, but it's still a budget steel. Also fully agree, that the chinese know how to heat treat - but they not always do, especially on cheap knives/tools.
As I said, sharpen it, hone it and cut cardboard, then you will see, if there is a proper heat treatment.
I once bought an Esee-Izula-clone from China, the "thingy" they sent me was not even forged, but cast. They lied it was 1095. Got some "Nylon-Paracord-550" that actually was from polypropelene too from there.
Leatherman is old news and done they just don't know it yet...
Now with the surge clone...lol it's game over.
There is a market for quality tools that American's want and can afford. Leatherman will need to accept this and adapt if they don't want to see a decline in sales in the future. Even the Chinese want your money, and they aren't going to continue to put out crap if it isn't selling. The game is being upped. The 2020 OT Fixed Blades are a STEAL for the price for what you get.
your dead right, the Leatherman warranty and reputation has kept them in the game through a number of missteps already, they need to get back to making functional tools.
Chinese companies don’t worry about US patents.
true...but in this case.. not only is it designed somewhat differently (outboard tools are on opposite side from the wave), but also all relevant patents on the wave are expired regardless.
Non-replaceable pincers are unacceptable in full-size multitools.
If Leatherman was smart they would make a completely customizable multi tool, with tons of options. Am I the only one who finds it funny that nobody has really done that? You can make things work, but they aren't built for the platform, you have to watch out for quality of like ebay mods. Really what are they thinking?!
The reason that no one is talking about the scissors is bcz mostly men by these tools. Only women are interested in scissors, not men. That is why there's a knife.....get a clue man
Old news.