I like that theory, the gun laws are probably stricter out in the Eastern Commonwealth and that's why we only really see the 10mm SMG which is probably because it's popular among military and police
@@BestKCL yeah dc has really strict gun laws it's ridiculous my experience weast vagina texis and Oklahoma are the last strickt from my experience as my friend from Texas has a pre 1984 ban grandfatherd sten gun a mk2 as well as a henary level acson chanberd in 357magmum and a browing high power he has a ar 15 and 1911 but I really enjoy shooting the other stuff when I I visit him
@@ownage11445 i am a romaina emagaint never lernd to speale engalish well before you ask yes it's no excuses and I don't really want to talk about what happened there under comunisom
There's a reason members of the gun community call places like New York, California, D.C, Illinois, etc. Communist hellholes, and you just stumbled across it like you tripped and fell right in front of a landmine. Extremist mag capacity bans of 10 rounds are the norm in these states (it's 5 rounds in New York and 12 rounds I believe in cook county, Illinois(Chicago)), at least one of these states banned semi auto rifles for a while and all AR's and AK's had to be pump action or similar, God forbid you live in one of these states and say "fuck it" and convert your gun to full auto like a normal American who wants their rights back. If you live in these states, especially the major cities in these states, it's whatever gun you can get ahold of. Then you have martial law, which happened in the fallout universe for years leading up to the bombs dropping in some parts of the U.S if I remembered right, and during the rules of martial law, gun ownership is verboten and the gov't has plans in place to confiscate private citizens' guns under such times (research the gun confiscations in New Orleans during Hurricane Katrina if you don't believe me, most of those people still haven't got their guns back from the cops/gov't). Between these two things, I think this explains why in places like heavily gun controlled Boston, alot of sawnoff hunting rifles, short double barreled shotguns, and homemade pipe guns can be found alongside small, insignificant handfuls of ammo even early on in Fallout 4 hidden behind furniture in bombed out houses, hidden away in boxes inside/outside of buildings, and locked away in safes unopened since (presumably) Pre-war days, guns got confiscated and people went out of their way to acquire whatever was left out there. EDIT: Spelling and punctuation errors.
@@confusedcapitalist2242 Happened to me yesterday. I came across 4 neutral powder bandits whilst carrying a 12.7 mm pistol. I activated VATS and made one headshot each. Missed every single one and after the VATS sequence they were still neutral lol As If nothing happened
@@DomeLP09 the 12.7mm pistol requires 75 Guns skill to be used effectively. Having even a slightly lower Guns skill than required significantly affects VATS chance.
The UZI was one of four weapons carried by a group of elderly NYC citizens arrested on an episode of night court, two of the other weapons where a LAW (misidentified as a Surface to Air Missile) and a magnum revolver.
This’s gotta be what that’s a reference to! I’m sitting here trying to puzzle over speculative ammo prices & ease-of-use for those with diminished fine motor control but no, of course, it’s a Night Court reference! 😂
"maybe the 21st century equivalent of people sitting on the porch with a shotgun was replaced by people chilling with SMG's?"..... I mean, fucking probably, seeings as there was an epidemic plague going on as well as riots and martial law shortly before the bombs fell. I'd be on my porch with something a little more versatile than a shotgun too!
i mean shotguns are incredibly versatile. that's...kind of why people use them. would probably want something that can spew lead more quickly for crowd control though, yeah...
The body of the 10mm Smg in fallout 3/nv is that of a M2 Hmg, and the HK p90c in fallout 2 was apperently meant to be a 9mm before being turned into a 10mm
If memory serves, the Czech's manufactured the Uzi on license. Edit to add: peace and blessings upon John Moses Browning. Dude designed the M-1911, which is still in military service 111 years after it was first adopted. Also, the M1917, the M1919, the M-2 (still going strong since 1928), the M-1918 automatic rifle. Basically, JMB designed at least two firearms that have been in service for over a century, (or will, in the next 6 years). A person could make the argument that the MAG-58 is derived from the M1919.. And almost every modern handgun is based on Browning's design, and there are too many to note. Frankly, the man was a genius.
with the M16 (AR-15) in NV its said that they found a warehouse with the blueprints to build them and found some in the wasteland use them for a bit then used the newer models.
@@luisfernandollinas6029 in fallout 1 or 2 you meet the gun runners when they are still starting out, having just recently moved away from being raiders and into weapon manufacture. when asked, the head of the GR will tell you they found all the machinery and schematics in the facility, so they decided to start making and selling guns. Isaac, one of the gun runners you talk to in NV, says that they produce all the weapons they sell, and that the schematics for all models come from the headquarters of the company, so it is very likely that there was a m16 blueprint the gun runners acquired somewhere to produce as the service rifle for the NCR army.
This might also lead to. Well sure this blueprint is from 1940 but it still works and we don't have anything better in the category that's price competitive.
did you know that, in addition to the 12.7mm smg, there's another weapon with the rear sights on the magazine? the Calico LWS with its top loaded helical magazine!
Actually there is a fully automatic Russian assault rifle the 12.7mm submachine gun seems to lift from as well. The 12.7mm ShAK-12 is even used by Russian elite police forces, though it is apparently quite the wrist snapper. I’d imagine elite riot police would be equipped with guns like this the day the bombs dropped. The STALKER mod Anomaly has this gun in it, and it’s extremely impractical irl as well as in game.
Great video I like how you seem to have some knowledge of firearms other then just games. The B&T MP9 is just a further development of the Steyr TMP and though Shmiser had no hand in the MP38/40 people call it the Shmiser and he seems to be given credit for it.
The Calico M950 and M960 are my favorite smg guns in real-life. I even own a Calico M950. they're given a false reputation for jamming but its mostly due to idiots not realizing that for a 50 mag requires ten-rotations (the gun's mag has a wind-up on the back for tensing the spring) and a 100 mag requires 23 rotations prior to firing. Each new mag requires a certain number of rotation wind-ups prior to firing. They tend to over-wind it or not wind it enough prior to shooting the gun. Even Ian from Forgotten Weapons affirms Calico's Light Weapons Systems firearms are merely given bad press because of the above issue and attested that the guns of Calico even their rifles are actually pretty decent.
I am sure most of these guns were made by Keltec when they are off the cocaine. Also in real life there are two versions of the grease gun (I forget the designation but I will refer to them as lever and tube variant) where the first variant the lever, had a charging lever on the side, but a few years later, a redesign removes the charging handle and extend the ejection chamber for you to stick your finger into the tube to charge the gun. Also the Thompson in is an anomaly as the drum mag is not only covered over rated but also impractical as the Thompson series came with a stick mag which was considered cheaper than the drum, plus for the drum's size in fallout 4, they are clearly holding far less ammo than they should. Also when ti comes to severe region differences, it could come down where some parts of hte US acted like their own country and not all departments re given the same budget.
I've read the entire comments section to this now 3 years old video and noticed that, strangely enough, no one noticed that the 12.7 mm SMG at 9:44 looks like your average Warhammer 40k Bolter (which, by the way, shoots quite unique rocket bullets, not too different from those the Gyrojet family pistol and carbine do, but in a larger caliber, .75" instead of .50"). _* shrugs *_
My earlier videos included brotherhood of steel and I have gone back and forth on whether or not to include entries from that game. I’ll look at including those again just for you though
The Calico has to have been around before 2001, they're being used all over the place in the film Total Recall (1989/90). Top Dollar uses one in The Crow (1994) too.
Licensing isn't necessary from what I can tell. Specifically mentioning brands might need permission, but you can absolutely use real world guns by name in a video game. Just maybe not the specific brand name (Glock, Ruger, Mossberg, etc.) although even then you could probably get away with it easily.
Bethesda has used real weapons names, things like M4 and M16 because they are used so much they've been put in the public domain for anyone to use. It like music over a time period a song will lose it copyright you can ask for it, but if a song was made before the 1900's it's automatic put in the public domain it is the same with firearms. or if the company doesn't exist it will have it's copyright but when it hits it's end date it getting put in public. or you can be EA and give no shits and used the IRL names anyway. most 21st weapons will have their copyright until mid of century. companies like AK (not putting the full name) keep putting copyrights on their weapons but they can't with the AK-47M (AKM) or AK-74. more you know.
The grease gun doesn't have licensing or brands, because it's a u.s military creation and unless they call it the M1A1 or M1 they should be perfectly fine, and if they do call it that, it's from ww2 no one cares
M1 Thompsons are still being used today often with little maintenance or replacement parts in some of the worst places on earth. And if you need parts, they can be milled with low tech processes with steel, not plastic or aluminum.
Honestly, I could very easily see select fire Uzi's becoming a favorite of the elderly if the gun laws were alot less communist in the U.S., really the only real downside is that the heavy bolt swings back and fourth like it's got something to prove and throws off accuracy in medium to long range situations, that's inherent in all open bolt SMG's so unless someone made full sized Uzi clones that were closed bolt select fire like the mini and micro Uzi's were designed, I don't see that being fixed. That being said it has alot of advantages for elderly shooters that not alot of other designs have, the biggest one being the anti-bolt bounce mechanism in the top cover, for those who aren't gun-savvy, it's a ratchet type mechanism that catches the bolt and holds it in place so that you don't have accidental slam fires if you drop it, and the only way to disengage it is to cock the weapon all the way back until the bolt engages the main sear. To an elderly shooter with weak hands that would be a godsend because if they go to cock it and they only cock it 1/2 way, the ratchet mechanism will hold the bolt at that point until they charge the weapon again, rinse and repeat until the weapon is cocked, locked, and ready to rock, whereas with most other designs out there if you fail to cock it to full travel on the 1st try, at best you'll be using some other gun with a more finicky anti-bolt bounce mechanism that just straight up jams the gun completely because most of those mechanisms were only ever meant to stop the accidental discharges, worst case scenario is that you're using a design that has no anti-bolt bounce mechanism at all and you loaded a mag in it before attempting to cock it, the bolt slams home unimpeded, stripping the 1st round off of the mag, detonating it and you end up hitting someone or something you didn't intend to. Aside from that, it's a dense, heavy gun with a really slow rate of fire in a relatively low powered caliber (usually 9mm Parabellum but some examples were made in .45 ACP), all of which lend well to ease of recoil control, especially in full auto, and in full auto it helps to compensate for poorer eyesight/lack of ability to see the sights right, and if you have an Uzi with the wood/plastic fixed stocks instead of that folding sheet metal monstrosity that the Uzi became famous for sporting, you will get a really good cheek weld that more or less automatically lines your eye up with the sights for you and it won't shave layers of skin off of your face when you shoot it. Plus there are other smaller bonuses like the threads for the barrel nut/suppressor attachment point being coarse enough that an elderly person with shaky hands and poor eyesight runs much less of a chance of cross threading. All in all I can't think of a better weapon for an old man or a grandma to protect what's theirs.
The Sten Mk. II also appears in the Wasteland game series. And oddly enough, its picture in the Wasteland games looks a lot like its picture in the early Fallout games.
Theory:The reason why in Fallout there's still WW2 and Cold War guns is because the Pre War Army did not bother updating their weapons.We can still see 20th Century firearms in Fallout.I think the Goverment focused more on something else than updating the Army arsenal.
They were updating their weapons, to energy weapons. It seems, in Fallout, that there are several factors at work with regard to military weapons. 1. Weapons development was simply slower. It seems that most cold war weapons exist in the universe, but the development time for many is expanded by and extra 20-50 years, depending on the weapon. 2. At a certain point in the 2000's ballistic weapon design stagnated and mostly stopped advancing as they began to unlock the secrets to making effective lasers and eventually plasma weapons. 3. Modern materials became more difficult to secure and more important to use for other projects, which is why we get a lot of basic wood and steel weapons, and not too much in the way of plastics, alloys, or attachments. 4. Armories. It wouldn't be terrible strange for National Guard armories to contain some outdated weapons. Likely not as bad as 100 years old, but it may be that, in the Fallout universe, since the US was pretty much constantly at war or at threat of war, that some weapons were just never rotated out, or possibly even kept to arm civil militias if necessary. 5. Armor and energy storage technologies are way, way beyond what we currently have. Medical technologies from the look of it as well, so you're definitely right that they had resources invested elsewhere. I guess the USA of Fallout just said if the gun goes 'pew' that's enough. Again, these are points that seem to be implied, but most are only vaguely confirmed by lore.
It's really not that weird to think of people using weapon designs hundreds of years old in Fallout, the M1911 is over 100 years old at this point and it's still used by the US military to this day. If it ain't broke don't fix it.
most of the m16 family of weapons are found in Fallout new vegas and fallout tactics both of which have pre war obsolete weapons storage facilities in game, Sierra Army Depot was located in the area starting in Fallout 2 and you pillage several in tactics
That weight that counters recoil is neat but what about when it pops back up? Seems like it would just make things worse unless the fire rate was slowed to allow the counter balance a slow rise into position.
The inertial load of the action handles that force; that’s to say that most/all of the force created by the counterweight returning to the “ready to fire” position is used to push the bolt forward, re-cock the mechanism, and chamber a new round. This inertia would be more of a problem if the Kriss Vector were not a closed bolt gun, as it would have a much shorter distance left to dissipate the energy.
great video radking, i enjoy these a lot, but you do sometimes say that some weapons make sense with little to go off like the mp40s maker being true only in fallouts universe, but the MP5SD is confusing somehow, Its not an issue everyone can come up with their own lore about this stuff, but i find it odd you say some things dont seem right or are odd but some make more sense. my opinion is that the MP5 is actually very popular in late 20th centuary counter to our real world the standard mp5 is much more common, and i think the writers meant that its reason for being around in the post apocalypse is because its so common two hundred years beforehand. and the thompson and mp40 always seemed so out of place for me, like they really dont the world. but the 10mm smgs and pistols do, would be great if they kepth making their own weapons instead of drawing too much from real life.
The gun laws theory is genius. It works because they can be so arbitrary in real life that sidestepped options such as whoops it's toploaded so it's okay happen.
Fallout's MP38Z variant based On MP38 SMG actually designed by Heinrich Volmer who utilized Hugo Schmeisser's MP18/MP28 patents which led to Hugo angrily protesting to Hitler's Govt. Which fell upon deaf ears.
M1 Thompson is popular in the 21st century due to ease of repair and lethality. Its 45 ACP round can remove a human from a fight with a single round hit anywhere in the body
@@shedninjareal no but a 45 acp hit causes heavy tissue damage and breaks bones. You stay down when your forearm is shot off or the only thing holding your foot on is calf muscle
I'm surprised that Fallout didn't have the Sten, it would've made a lot of sense, and even in 2021 soldiers in Iraq still use the Sten, cheap, good, 40 moving parts, and easily modifiable.
@@mondaysinsanity8193 Depends on if you're counting the small pieces in the bolt, mag, FCG, etc., then it's really not alot. Regardless, we all have to admit the the Sten would be right at home in Fallout and I think it should've been used instead of the pipe guns in Fallout 4, people today make Sten copies in sheds with hand tools in places like Brazil, Pakistan, and Australia, to name a few, and the design makes a hell of a lot more sense than brass pipe held onto a chunk of 2x2 fence post with chewing gum and hope with a single piece of sheet brass acting as the locking surface for the bolt action conversions.
@@salty_armorer4027 I've always thought that most of the metal on pipe guns was steel, as the corners are usually worn to a silvery finish. The light barrels are definitely copper though.
@@Bubben246 It's possible, but I think my point still stands. Not all steels are created equal, especially where guns are concerned. Anybody can see what happens if the wrong steel goes into a gun, or even if the right steel is used but a squib load occurs, just by looking up videos on the fails here on TH-cam. Those .308 bolt action pipe guns are guarenteed to fail, if for no other reason than the fact that the only locking surface seems to be the "bolt handle" locking on the edge of a nailed-on section of sheet brass or plated sheet steel, the .38 and .45 caliber versions can at least be called plausible due to both being pistol rounds and thus being safe to use in a direct blowback action, but again we go back to the materials used. Barrels, bolt heads, and secondary locking surfaces (if applicable) all NEED to be made of high tensile steel to survive the pressure of firing, and I don't see raiders taking a cutters torch to the old pre-war car wrecks to try to salvage the axels and steering columns to make these high pressure bearing components, assuming that they even know how. Nah, those pipe guns are probably made of whatever they could pick up and utilize, they pulled the springs from a junked Mr.Handy, they picked up a pipe section that came from a fallen building, the 2X2 was recently used to BONK the guy that steals and eats all the snack cakes from the haul, etc. etc. etc.
So... I like to play fallout 4 while while listening to these videos. As such beware spoilers in this comment. Has anyone else experienced a bug in the automatron dlc where the access ports in the mechanists lair don't work with the robots you make that have msats? And has anyone else tried using curie to open them? Call it wishfull thinking but when I tried it... SHE OPENED THE DOOR! note that this is after I gave her a synth body, not before. All I can assume is this is a seriously wacked out bug, since there should be way for an organic body, even that of a synth to open those things. All this makes me wish we could make and mod g1 synths all the more.
Isn't the m16 in vegas the ncr's main service rifle.... it would make sense that they are manufactured for the troops stationed there. They have to large of an army to scavenge for all of those guns let alone ammo
simple blowbacks would be pretty easy to make as their machining tolerances are generous, the question is can consistent quality ammunition be manufactured in the wasteland to avoid repeated misfires?
I know for a fact there is a legendary effect that increases damage with radiation count. IIRC some perks and consumables also work like that too. If your able to get your rads at just the right spot, you can basically one shot anything if you get a sneak attack.
Buddy the calico has been around a little longer than 2001 I would think it was featured in the movie Spaceballs but the gun is very unreliable I've held one I think they're weird and the worst part is is the rear sights or part of the magazine which means every time you change magazines year zero changes so you're never going to be super accurate with the firearm but in real life they shoot 9 mm and you can even get some that shoot 22 LR
Well all of the out of time guns being "hundreds of years old" pre war could be easily explained away by companies making reproductions for civilian use being why they may be so common
Before the bombs dropped, fallout was loosely based off 1950s fashion, so a some of that bled over to the weapons. I mean even the high tech stuff is kind of looks like the scifi from older films. Ill admit its a mish mash of modern and older themes. But as to why they have tommy guns and older type weapons, thematic choice.
"There's only one submachinegun in fallout 4" ... I expected that to be the Tommy Gun. Think you can make a pipe gun SMG though. - Automatic pipe rifle in a 10mm cartridge would technically be an SMG right? Haven't played FO4 in a while so I can't recall if it's possible to make that specific combo or not.
If you convert an automatic pipe rifle to have a short barrel, stock, and to use .38 or maybe .45 ammo, I believe the name of the gun changes to Automatic Pipe SMG. I'd have to check and make sure but I believe this is correct.
What i keep wondering about is why Bethesda change the weapons for every game, wouldnt the same models of guns be used across the US? why would the military/populationin general use different guns in California then what they use in Boston? meh
Martial Law. It happened in the fallout universe, and under IRL Martial Law plans, private guns are to be seized to prevent pissed off civilians from fighting back or stealing food/supplies at gunpoint. There was likely alot more guns in the Mojave and other pro-gun parts of the U.S than in gun control hubs like Massachusetts, D.C, Illinois, Cali, etc. Before Martial Law, and if you ever get to know truly pro-gun folks in the U.S, you'll learn real quick that every one of us has guns that are off the books so to speak, guns that the gov't has no idea even exist, so after Martial Law the few guns in places like Boston and D.C where gun registration is mandatory got easily swept up, and everyone who wanted a gun had to get whatever they could find (hence the homemade guns locked in pre-war safes in Boston, the prevalence of sawnoff rifles and shotgun in Boston and antique .32 revolvers in D.C, etc., whereas in the Mojave people just dug up and dusted off their great great grandpa's war souvenirs (M3 grease guns and "M16" service rifles anyone?) and the normal civilian guns that they themselves aquired under the table and buried for a rainy day, and some of those ended up naturally getting sold off to people that took them to the likes of L.A. to sell for a major profit because, again, Martial Law gun confiscation taking what few guns there were to be had in gun control hubs like L.A.
Step aside Radking let ME tell ya the real life inspirations of these guns But I'm only counting the Submachine guns from the Bethdesda games FO3, FONV, FO4 and FO76 Submachine gun and .45 Auto SMG = Thompson SMG Both 10mm SMGs = HK Prototype SMG-II 12.7 SMG = FN P90 and TDI Vector 9mm SMG = M3 Grease gun A2 Pipe Submachine gun = STEN SMG homemade SMGs Silenced .22 SMG = American-180 SMG
The M3 was intended to be a .45 from the get go, but SOE had a number of 9mm Parabellum conversion kits made for the M3 so that SOE Agents behind German lines could resupply off of the enemy. So basically you're both correct.
They're the same weapon, literally the only difference is that the 38 is all milled whereas the 40 has a stamped receiver for cheaper and easier construction.
Does anyone else not like how the classic games used the real-world names for weapons? _Fallout 3_ started the trend of naming weapons with generic names (e.g. "10mm Submachine Gun", "Assault Rifle", "Combat Shotgun", etc.) and _New Vegas_ continued that trend. Having real-world guns using their real-world names in a fictional universe is off-putting and immersion-breaking.
I like that theory, the gun laws are probably stricter out in the Eastern Commonwealth and that's why we only really see the 10mm SMG which is probably because it's popular among military and police
I was just thinking this the other day. Explains the serious lack of anything that's not a hunting rifle.
@@BestKCL yeah dc has really strict gun laws it's ridiculous my experience weast vagina texis and Oklahoma are the last strickt from my experience as my friend from Texas has a pre 1984 ban grandfatherd sten gun a mk2 as well as a henary level acson chanberd in 357magmum and a browing high power he has a ar 15 and 1911 but I really enjoy shooting the other stuff when I I visit him
@@alexhail9971 my god dude were you typing with one hand and auto correct off?
@@ownage11445 i am a romaina emagaint never lernd to speale engalish well before you ask yes it's no excuses and I don't really want to talk about what happened there under comunisom
There's a reason members of the gun community call places like New York, California, D.C, Illinois, etc. Communist hellholes, and you just stumbled across it like you tripped and fell right in front of a landmine. Extremist mag capacity bans of 10 rounds are the norm in these states (it's 5 rounds in New York and 12 rounds I believe in cook county, Illinois(Chicago)), at least one of these states banned semi auto rifles for a while and all AR's and AK's had to be pump action or similar, God forbid you live in one of these states and say "fuck it" and convert your gun to full auto like a normal American who wants their rights back. If you live in these states, especially the major cities in these states, it's whatever gun you can get ahold of. Then you have martial law, which happened in the fallout universe for years leading up to the bombs dropping in some parts of the U.S if I remembered right, and during the rules of martial law, gun ownership is verboten and the gov't has plans in place to confiscate private citizens' guns under such times (research the gun confiscations in New Orleans during Hurricane Katrina if you don't believe me, most of those people still haven't got their guns back from the cops/gov't). Between these two things, I think this explains why in places like heavily gun controlled Boston, alot of sawnoff hunting rifles, short double barreled shotguns, and homemade pipe guns can be found alongside small, insignificant handfuls of ammo even early on in Fallout 4 hidden behind furniture in bombed out houses, hidden away in boxes inside/outside of buildings, and locked away in safes unopened since (presumably) Pre-war days, guns got confiscated and people went out of their way to acquire whatever was left out there.
EDIT: Spelling and punctuation errors.
Bro whats up with the HP?? My man is fuckin glowing
He’s probably using a legendary that does more damage based on your rads.
Because he's the radking
He's positively glowing.
the CIA
CIA?
It's amazing that the 9mm submachine gun in Fallout: New Vegas is so accurate even though it's barrel is so damn short.
To be fair, this is the same game where I’ve shot at enemy’s not to far away with a rifle (can’t remember the name) and it didn’t ever hit him...
@@confusedcapitalist2242
Happened to me yesterday. I came across 4 neutral powder bandits whilst carrying a 12.7 mm pistol. I activated VATS and made one headshot each. Missed every single one and after the VATS sequence they were still neutral lol
As If nothing happened
@@confusedcapitalist2242 *flashbacks to TheRussianBadger accidentally vibe checking Cachino.
@@DomeLP09 the 12.7mm pistol requires 75 Guns skill to be used effectively.
Having even a slightly lower Guns skill than required significantly affects VATS chance.
That's classic action RPGs for ya. Stats don't care about physics
You passed up that wonderglue on the ghoul around 1:33 and I am so mad about it
No he took the wonderglue
@@sorrellion1414 cope
@@mcbeaty3971 i'll take your wonderglue
The UZI was one of four weapons carried by a group of elderly NYC citizens arrested on an episode of night court, two of the other weapons where a LAW (misidentified as a Surface to Air Missile) and a magnum revolver.
This’s gotta be what that’s a reference to! I’m sitting here trying to puzzle over speculative ammo prices & ease-of-use for those with diminished fine motor control but no, of course, it’s a Night Court reference! 😂
"Get off my lawn ya rotten kids!"
*Aggressively waves Uzi around*
Florida Man Approved
"with the mac10 on the side of my hip" -nwa
I think that the "elderly people use uzis" is a reference to the "ze 12 gauge autoloader, ze .45 longslide with laser sight, ze uzi 9mm"
@Something Mildly Homophobic Arnold Shwarzeneger in terminator
Uzi 9 milimeetah. "Good for home defense." ;)
I prefer a phased plasma rifle in the forty watt range.
ay glad to keep seeing content from you this is very unique compared to other channels keep up the good work
Appreciate it! I am definitely trying to bring new things to the table to keep Fallout Fans entertained.
"maybe the 21st century equivalent of people sitting on the porch with a shotgun was replaced by people chilling with SMG's?"..... I mean, fucking probably, seeings as there was an epidemic plague going on as well as riots and martial law shortly before the bombs fell. I'd be on my porch with something a little more versatile than a shotgun too!
If it isn’t in atleast in .50cal is it really useful for home defence? Specially with those pesky deathclaws roaming around.
i mean shotguns are incredibly versatile. that's...kind of why people use them.
would probably want something that can spew lead more quickly for crowd control though, yeah...
@@VimyGlide Apparently the 'old people with Uzis' thing was a reference to some joke from Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles
the UZI of old people is a joke in TV media seen in TMNT cartoons where the old ladies kick her shopping kick and hold up an SMG
The body of the 10mm Smg in fallout 3/nv is that of a M2 Hmg, and the HK p90c in fallout 2 was apperently meant to be a 9mm before being turned into a 10mm
P90 can be found in 9mm and 10mm variants in Fallout 2.
If memory serves, the Czech's manufactured the Uzi on license.
Edit to add: peace and blessings upon John Moses Browning. Dude designed the M-1911, which is still in military service 111 years after it was first adopted. Also, the M1917, the M1919, the M-2 (still going strong since 1928), the M-1918 automatic rifle.
Basically, JMB designed at least two firearms that have been in service for over a century, (or will, in the next 6 years). A person could make the argument that the MAG-58 is derived from the M1919..
And almost every modern handgun is based on Browning's design, and there are too many to note.
Frankly, the man was a genius.
Tactics predicted Hickok45's Uzi bicycle drive-by.
with the M16 (AR-15) in NV its said that they found a warehouse with the blueprints to build them and found some in the wasteland use them for a bit then used the newer models.
Sauce?
@@luisfernandollinas6029 in fallout 1 or 2 you meet the gun runners when they are still starting out, having just recently moved away from being raiders and into weapon manufacture. when asked, the head of the GR will tell you they found all the machinery and schematics in the facility, so they decided to start making and selling guns. Isaac, one of the gun runners you talk to in NV, says that they produce all the weapons they sell, and that the schematics for all models come from the headquarters of the company, so it is very likely that there was a m16 blueprint the gun runners acquired somewhere to produce as the service rifle for the NCR army.
This might also lead to. Well sure this blueprint is from 1940 but it still works and we don't have anything better in the category that's price competitive.
did you know that, in addition to the 12.7mm smg, there's another weapon with the rear sights on the magazine?
the Calico LWS with its top loaded helical magazine!
Actually there is a fully automatic Russian assault rifle the 12.7mm submachine gun seems to lift from as well. The 12.7mm ShAK-12 is even used by Russian elite police forces, though it is apparently quite the wrist snapper. I’d imagine elite riot police would be equipped with guns like this the day the bombs dropped. The STALKER mod Anomaly has this gun in it, and it’s extremely impractical irl as well as in game.
THANK YOU for acknowledging the weird left handed design of some of the weapons in Fo4!! I genuinely thought nobody else noticed.
I love this stuff, cant wait to see what you put out next i could listen for hours
It’s good to come back to the early days and see the progress
Great video I like how you seem to have some knowledge of firearms other then just games. The B&T MP9 is just a further development of the Steyr TMP and though Shmiser had no hand in the MP38/40 people call it the Shmiser and he seems to be given credit for it.
personally, I always thought the MP9 looked like Skorpion with a weird boxy shell placed around it.
The Calico M950 and M960 are my favorite smg guns in real-life. I even own a Calico M950. they're given a false reputation for jamming but its mostly due to idiots not realizing that for a 50 mag requires ten-rotations (the gun's mag has a wind-up on the back for tensing the spring) and a 100 mag requires 23 rotations prior to firing. Each new mag requires a certain number of rotation wind-ups prior to firing. They tend to over-wind it or not wind it enough prior to shooting the gun. Even Ian from Forgotten Weapons affirms Calico's Light Weapons Systems firearms are merely given bad press because of the above issue and attested that the guns of Calico even their rifles are actually pretty decent.
I am sure most of these guns were made by Keltec when they are off the cocaine.
Also in real life there are two versions of the grease gun (I forget the designation but I will refer to them as lever and tube variant) where the first variant the lever, had a charging lever on the side, but a few years later, a redesign removes the charging handle and extend the ejection chamber for you to stick your finger into the tube to charge the gun.
Also the Thompson in is an anomaly as the drum mag is not only covered over rated but also impractical as the Thompson series came with a stick mag which was considered cheaper than the drum, plus for the drum's size in fallout 4, they are clearly holding far less ammo than they should.
Also when ti comes to severe region differences, it could come down where some parts of hte US acted like their own country and not all departments re given the same budget.
The lever variant was the m3, the tube was the m3a1
@@baker90338 Thank you as I knew it was a simple name but couldnt remember at the time.
The M3A1 is a cursed gun
@@confusedcapitalist2242 What makes the gun cursed?"
@@Tucher97 just the way you rechamber a round.
During the resource wars it would make sense that military's fall back on old cheap designs
I've read the entire comments section to this now 3 years old video and noticed that, strangely enough, no one noticed that the 12.7 mm SMG at 9:44 looks like your average Warhammer 40k Bolter (which, by the way, shoots quite unique rocket bullets, not too different from those the Gyrojet family pistol and carbine do, but in a larger caliber, .75" instead of .50"). _* shrugs *_
lmao i was thinking the same
I was about to say the same thing then I saw this
great minds think alike
You mean the pulse carbines from Aliens?
The Calico also has it's rear sight on the magazines (at least they are in real life).
The grease gun was amazing in FO2. Easily the best small gun you can get up to the NCR
Sad to see you skipped Brotherhood of Steel. I think that game is not as bad as everyone says it is. Anyway love your content!
My earlier videos included brotherhood of steel and I have gone back and forth on whether or not to include entries from that game. I’ll look at including those again just for you though
@@Rad_King Just saw this. Thanks for responding XD
The Calico has to have been around before 2001, they're being used all over the place in the film Total Recall (1989/90). Top Dollar uses one in The Crow (1994) too.
Anyone else here to point out the fact that the Tommy gun he showed was a BB gun?
That’s a interesting mental image an old person with an Uzie.
I hope some these guns make a return in the future like the grease gun for example but I’m sure Bethesda doesn’t want to bother with licensing
Licensing isn't necessary from what I can tell. Specifically mentioning brands might need permission, but you can absolutely use real world guns by name in a video game. Just maybe not the specific brand name (Glock, Ruger, Mossberg, etc.) although even then you could probably get away with it easily.
I wish there was a 10mm SMG in 4
Sure there are mods, and weapon modifications, but it's not the same
I wish you could use the stick mags for the Thompson in fallout 4. I hate drum mags on 95% of the guns
Bethesda has used real weapons names, things like M4 and M16 because they are used so much they've been put in the public domain for anyone to use. It like music over a time period a song will lose it copyright you can ask for it, but if a song was made before the 1900's it's automatic put in the public domain it is the same with firearms. or if the company doesn't exist it will have it's copyright but when it hits it's end date it getting put in public. or you can be EA and give no shits and used the IRL names anyway. most 21st weapons will have their copyright until mid of century. companies like AK (not putting the full name) keep putting copyrights on their weapons but they can't with the AK-47M (AKM) or AK-74. more you know.
The grease gun doesn't have licensing or brands, because it's a u.s military creation and unless they call it the M1A1 or M1 they should be perfectly fine, and if they do call it that, it's from ww2 no one cares
Bit late to the party but if you chuck FWE on to fallout 3 is has all the weapons from the previous games.
M1 Thompsons are still being used today often with little maintenance or replacement parts in some of the worst places on earth. And if you need parts, they can be milled with low tech processes with steel, not plastic or aluminum.
Honestly, I could very easily see select fire Uzi's becoming a favorite of the elderly if the gun laws were alot less communist in the U.S., really the only real downside is that the heavy bolt swings back and fourth like it's got something to prove and throws off accuracy in medium to long range situations, that's inherent in all open bolt SMG's so unless someone made full sized Uzi clones that were closed bolt select fire like the mini and micro Uzi's were designed, I don't see that being fixed. That being said it has alot of advantages for elderly shooters that not alot of other designs have, the biggest one being the anti-bolt bounce mechanism in the top cover, for those who aren't gun-savvy, it's a ratchet type mechanism that catches the bolt and holds it in place so that you don't have accidental slam fires if you drop it, and the only way to disengage it is to cock the weapon all the way back until the bolt engages the main sear. To an elderly shooter with weak hands that would be a godsend because if they go to cock it and they only cock it 1/2 way, the ratchet mechanism will hold the bolt at that point until they charge the weapon again, rinse and repeat until the weapon is cocked, locked, and ready to rock, whereas with most other designs out there if you fail to cock it to full travel on the 1st try, at best you'll be using some other gun with a more finicky anti-bolt bounce mechanism that just straight up jams the gun completely because most of those mechanisms were only ever meant to stop the accidental discharges, worst case scenario is that you're using a design that has no anti-bolt bounce mechanism at all and you loaded a mag in it before attempting to cock it, the bolt slams home unimpeded, stripping the 1st round off of the mag, detonating it and you end up hitting someone or something you didn't intend to. Aside from that, it's a dense, heavy gun with a really slow rate of fire in a relatively low powered caliber (usually 9mm Parabellum but some examples were made in .45 ACP), all of which lend well to ease of recoil control, especially in full auto, and in full auto it helps to compensate for poorer eyesight/lack of ability to see the sights right, and if you have an Uzi with the wood/plastic fixed stocks instead of that folding sheet metal monstrosity that the Uzi became famous for sporting, you will get a really good cheek weld that more or less automatically lines your eye up with the sights for you and it won't shave layers of skin off of your face when you shoot it. Plus there are other smaller bonuses like the threads for the barrel nut/suppressor attachment point being coarse enough that an elderly person with shaky hands and poor eyesight runs much less of a chance of cross threading. All in all I can't think of a better weapon for an old man or a grandma to protect what's theirs.
The Sten Mk. II also appears in the Wasteland game series. And oddly enough, its picture in the Wasteland games looks a lot like its picture in the early Fallout games.
what joshua said makes sense because the commonwealths would likely have had a big say in those matters
Theory:The reason why in Fallout there's still WW2 and Cold War guns is because the Pre War Army did not bother updating their weapons.We can still see 20th Century firearms in Fallout.I think the Goverment focused more on something else than updating the Army arsenal.
They were updating their weapons, to energy weapons. It seems, in Fallout, that there are several factors at work with regard to military weapons.
1. Weapons development was simply slower. It seems that most cold war weapons exist in the universe, but the development time for many is expanded by and extra 20-50 years, depending on the weapon.
2. At a certain point in the 2000's ballistic weapon design stagnated and mostly stopped advancing as they began to unlock the secrets to making effective lasers and eventually plasma weapons.
3. Modern materials became more difficult to secure and more important to use for other projects, which is why we get a lot of basic wood and steel weapons, and not too much in the way of plastics, alloys, or attachments.
4. Armories. It wouldn't be terrible strange for National Guard armories to contain some outdated weapons. Likely not as bad as 100 years old, but it may be that, in the Fallout universe, since the US was pretty much constantly at war or at threat of war, that some weapons were just never rotated out, or possibly even kept to arm civil militias if necessary.
5. Armor and energy storage technologies are way, way beyond what we currently have. Medical technologies from the look of it as well, so you're definitely right that they had resources invested elsewhere. I guess the USA of Fallout just said if the gun goes 'pew' that's enough.
Again, these are points that seem to be implied, but most are only vaguely confirmed by lore.
Power Armour and energy weapons, I think that was their focus...
Robotics, medicine and drugs... lots of drugs.
Robots
Interesting video but I couldn’t help but stare at that 99% full RAD bar and internally scream
Um... The Calico rifle entered production in 1990, where’d you get 2001?
It's really not that weird to think of people using weapon designs hundreds of years old in Fallout, the M1911 is over 100 years old at this point and it's still used by the US military to this day.
If it ain't broke don't fix it.
i feel like the 12mm submachine gun takes design qeues from the bolter in Warhammer
most of the m16 family of weapons are found in Fallout new vegas and fallout tactics both of which have pre war obsolete weapons storage facilities in game, Sierra Army Depot was located in the area starting in Fallout 2 and you pillage several in tactics
That weight that counters recoil is neat but what about when it pops back up? Seems like it would just make things worse unless the fire rate was slowed to allow the counter balance a slow rise into position.
The inertial load of the action handles that force; that’s to say that most/all of the force created by the counterweight returning to the “ready to fire” position is used to push the bolt forward, re-cock the mechanism, and chamber a new round. This inertia would be more of a problem if the Kriss Vector were not a closed bolt gun, as it would have a much shorter distance left to dissipate the energy.
great video radking, i enjoy these a lot, but you do sometimes say that some weapons make sense with little to go off like the mp40s maker being true only in fallouts universe, but the MP5SD is confusing somehow, Its not an issue everyone can come up with their own lore about this stuff, but i find it odd you say some things dont seem right or are odd but some make more sense.
my opinion is that the MP5 is actually very popular in late 20th centuary counter to our real world the standard mp5 is much more common, and i think the writers meant that its reason for being around in the post apocalypse is because its so common two hundred years beforehand.
and the thompson and mp40 always seemed so out of place for me, like they really dont the world.
but the 10mm smgs and pistols do, would be great if they kepth making their own weapons instead of drawing too much from real life.
The gun laws theory is genius. It works because they can be so arbitrary in real life that sidestepped options such as whoops it's toploaded so it's okay happen.
Fallout's MP38Z variant based On MP38 SMG actually designed by Heinrich Volmer who utilized Hugo Schmeisser's MP18/MP28 patents which led to Hugo angrily protesting to Hitler's Govt. Which fell upon deaf ears.
I’m late to this, but if fallout is anything like our world, the older guns like the Thompson were probably reproductions. Which do exist irl
The Elderly folk and Uzis thing is a reference to Death Wish
"Skipping the abomination of brother hood of steel"
Well said
Agree!
No the 10mm SMG is based of the HK Prototype SMG-II
BREAKING: Local Glowing One talks about SMGs for 13:00 minutes
rear sight on the mag happens on the Calico M100 iirc
The cz Skorpion is actually chambered for .32 ACP.
It's chambered in .32, 9x18 Makarov, .380 and 9x19. The most made were in 9x18.
M1 Thompson is popular in the 21st century due to ease of repair and lethality. Its 45 ACP round can remove a human from a fight with a single round hit anywhere in the body
Not really:
th-cam.com/video/pdjcYjSsIok/w-d-xo.html
... not all shots kill
@@shedninjareal no but a 45 acp hit causes heavy tissue damage and breaks bones. You stay down when your forearm is shot off or the only thing holding your foot on is calf muscle
@@haroldcarfrey4206 ok
He needs more subs
Peculiar gun you used in the footage. Explosive ammo, antenna-like muzzle brake. Craftable or mod?
Radium Rifle from Far Harbor DLC.
I'm surprised that Fallout didn't have the Sten, it would've made a lot of sense, and even in 2021 soldiers in Iraq still use the Sten, cheap, good, 40 moving parts, and easily modifiable.
Just to clarify I'm talking about Fallout 1, Fallout Tactics, ehh.
40 moving parts is a fucking lot for a open bolt sub gun
@@mondaysinsanity8193 Depends on if you're counting the small pieces in the bolt, mag, FCG, etc., then it's really not alot. Regardless, we all have to admit the the Sten would be right at home in Fallout and I think it should've been used instead of the pipe guns in Fallout 4, people today make Sten copies in sheds with hand tools in places like Brazil, Pakistan, and Australia, to name a few, and the design makes a hell of a lot more sense than brass pipe held onto a chunk of 2x2 fence post with chewing gum and hope with a single piece of sheet brass acting as the locking surface for the bolt action conversions.
@@salty_armorer4027 I've always thought that most of the metal on pipe guns was steel, as the corners are usually worn to a silvery finish. The light barrels are definitely copper though.
@@Bubben246 It's possible, but I think my point still stands. Not all steels are created equal, especially where guns are concerned. Anybody can see what happens if the wrong steel goes into a gun, or even if the right steel is used but a squib load occurs, just by looking up videos on the fails here on TH-cam. Those .308 bolt action pipe guns are guarenteed to fail, if for no other reason than the fact that the only locking surface seems to be the "bolt handle" locking on the edge of a nailed-on section of sheet brass or plated sheet steel, the .38 and .45 caliber versions can at least be called plausible due to both being pistol rounds and thus being safe to use in a direct blowback action, but again we go back to the materials used. Barrels, bolt heads, and secondary locking surfaces (if applicable) all NEED to be made of high tensile steel to survive the pressure of firing, and I don't see raiders taking a cutters torch to the old pre-war car wrecks to try to salvage the axels and steering columns to make these high pressure bearing components, assuming that they even know how. Nah, those pipe guns are probably made of whatever they could pick up and utilize, they pulled the springs from a junked Mr.Handy, they picked up a pipe section that came from a fallen building, the 2X2 was recently used to BONK the guy that steals and eats all the snack cakes from the haul, etc. etc. etc.
9:13 “WIGGLE WIGGLE”
So... I like to play fallout 4 while while listening to these videos. As such beware spoilers in this comment.
Has anyone else experienced a bug in the automatron dlc where the access ports in the mechanists lair don't work with the robots you make that have msats? And has anyone else tried using curie to open them? Call it wishfull thinking but when I tried it... SHE OPENED THE DOOR! note that this is after I gave her a synth body, not before. All I can assume is this is a seriously wacked out bug, since there should be way for an organic body, even that of a synth to open those things.
All this makes me wish we could make and mod g1 synths all the more.
Fallout 1/2’s old 10mm SMG looks like a steampunk 40k bolt-pistol
Isn't the m16 in vegas the ncr's main service rifle.... it would make sense that they are manufactured for the troops stationed there. They have to large of an army to scavenge for all of those guns let alone ammo
No its actually a AR10
Would WW2 weapons not be easier to manufacture in the wasteland? Stens and grease guns especially…
simple blowbacks would be pretty easy to make as their machining tolerances are generous, the question is can consistent quality ammunition be manufactured in the wasteland to avoid repeated misfires?
Why is your rads poisoning always full? Is that a creative way to tie it to the intro?
I know for a fact there is a legendary effect that increases damage with radiation count. IIRC some perks and consumables also work like that too. If your able to get your rads at just the right spot, you can basically one shot anything if you get a sneak attack.
Not sure where you'd have it, but you don't have the nail gun from FNV Lonesome Road
You forgot to point out that the 10MM SMG's receiver is a backwards browning.50 receiver.
Buddy the calico has been around a little longer than 2001 I would think it was featured in the movie Spaceballs but the gun is very unreliable I've held one I think they're weird and the worst part is is the rear sights or part of the magazine which means every time you change magazines year zero changes so you're never going to be super accurate with the firearm but in real life they shoot 9 mm and you can even get some that shoot 22 LR
Huh?
Not to nit pick(jk) but the 10mm smg in FO3 has a legendary version "Sydneys Super" an amazing weapon and even better exploit
Well all of the out of time guns being "hundreds of years old" pre war could be easily explained away by companies making reproductions for civilian use being why they may be so common
Before the bombs dropped, fallout was loosely based off 1950s fashion, so a some of that bled over to the weapons. I mean even the high tech stuff is kind of looks like the scifi from older films. Ill admit its a mish mash of modern and older themes. But as to why they have tommy guns and older type weapons, thematic choice.
Is anybody ever paid attention to the background back ground he's literally completing a quest with literally zero HP left
it's a build, there's a weapon trait for bonus damage being irradiated
12.7 rounds are basically .50cal
50 beowulf
I assume the U.S.S.R. isn't brought up in Fallout because history went about the same way there and the Soviets fell leaving China the big bad threat.
"There's only one submachinegun in fallout 4" ... I expected that to be the Tommy Gun.
Think you can make a pipe gun SMG though. - Automatic pipe rifle in a 10mm cartridge would technically be an SMG right?
Haven't played FO4 in a while so I can't recall if it's possible to make that specific combo or not.
If you convert an automatic pipe rifle to have a short barrel, stock, and to use .38 or maybe .45 ammo, I believe the name of the gun changes to Automatic Pipe SMG. I'd have to check and make sure but I believe this is correct.
7:10 "hickock 45 here, "
What i keep wondering about is why Bethesda change the weapons for every game, wouldnt the same models of guns be used across the US? why would the military/populationin general use different guns in California then what they use in Boston? meh
Martial Law. It happened in the fallout universe, and under IRL Martial Law plans, private guns are to be seized to prevent pissed off civilians from fighting back or stealing food/supplies at gunpoint. There was likely alot more guns in the Mojave and other pro-gun parts of the U.S than in gun control hubs like Massachusetts, D.C, Illinois, Cali, etc. Before Martial Law, and if you ever get to know truly pro-gun folks in the U.S, you'll learn real quick that every one of us has guns that are off the books so to speak, guns that the gov't has no idea even exist, so after Martial Law the few guns in places like Boston and D.C where gun registration is mandatory got easily swept up, and everyone who wanted a gun had to get whatever they could find (hence the homemade guns locked in pre-war safes in Boston, the prevalence of sawnoff rifles and shotgun in Boston and antique .32 revolvers in D.C, etc., whereas in the Mojave people just dug up and dusted off their great great grandpa's war souvenirs (M3 grease guns and "M16" service rifles anyone?) and the normal civilian guns that they themselves aquired under the table and buried for a rainy day, and some of those ended up naturally getting sold off to people that took them to the likes of L.A. to sell for a major profit because, again, Martial Law gun confiscation taking what few guns there were to be had in gun control hubs like L.A.
TAKE A FUCKING RAD-AWAY HOLY SHIT THAT HEALTHBAR
spetznez? Not Spetznaz?
When you get a p90 in the 50s
@Rick Fredrick I mean you're right but you don't need to be so rude about it
You forgot the laser rcw in fallout new Vegas
Thats more of a laser weapon than an smg i understand its a laser smg but i think it would fit more in a laser weapon video
its been awhile since i play fallout but how did he play with 99% rad and1% hp but still survive couple of hit and a landmine xD
Fallout 4 does have alot of rad related perks lol
Not a fan of brotherhood eh?
The SMG in FO4 is so disappointing, makes me wish they kept the 10mm pistol semi auto and included the 10mm SMG from FO3.
We just gonna skip over your health?
Step aside Radking let ME tell ya the real life inspirations of these guns
But I'm only counting the Submachine guns from the Bethdesda games FO3, FONV, FO4 and FO76
Submachine gun and .45 Auto SMG = Thompson SMG
Both 10mm SMGs = HK Prototype SMG-II
12.7 SMG = FN P90 and TDI Vector
9mm SMG = M3 Grease gun A2
Pipe Submachine gun = STEN SMG homemade SMGs
Silenced .22 SMG = American-180 SMG
Don't skip fallout brotherhood of game
Somebody could use a RadAway..
No the grease gun is chambered in 9mm
Normally not it is chambered in 45 acp
The M3 was intended to be a .45 from the get go, but SOE had a number of 9mm Parabellum conversion kits made for the M3 so that SOE Agents behind German lines could resupply off of the enemy. So basically you're both correct.
i want to make a video with you
Dum its not mp 38 its mp 40
They're the same weapon, literally the only difference is that the 38 is all milled whereas the 40 has a stamped receiver for cheaper and easier construction.
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Does anyone else not like how the classic games used the real-world names for weapons? _Fallout 3_ started the trend of naming weapons with generic names (e.g. "10mm Submachine Gun", "Assault Rifle", "Combat Shotgun", etc.) and _New Vegas_ continued that trend. Having real-world guns using their real-world names in a fictional universe is off-putting and immersion-breaking.
You skip brotherhood of steel, but not fallout 4? Disgusting.
like badly
You sick bastard