Hm.. considering the engines are apparently in the middle, it could actually make some sense. Ballast tanks could be placed all along the aft of the sub, combined with the weight of the engine rooms compared to the torpedo section. But then again, I can't call myself a sub expert lmao this all could just be bull
Another thing about the Valdez is that it shares it’s name with the Exxon Valdez, a real oil tanker that ran aground in the Prince William Sound in 1989, causing an oil spill.
That oil tanker would of come in handy if the chosen one in fallout 2 planned it right, by first not blowing up oil rig but just take out the enclave and use it for as a base and go to the vault in vault city and take the 50 or so water chips worth $10,000 each and easily have half a million dollars to work with, and convert the oil tanker into a helicopter carrier to be used for us, and take Navarro base to be as another base for ourselves and go to sierra army base to take over and take the 4 or 5 dozen robots and turrets to be savaged for electrical parts and savage the space shuttle to make more vertibirds to have and take automatic weapons from robots etc to be places on vertibirds to have gunship capability and take the 3 artillery pieces from sierra army base to be used to make armored gunboats by putting a artillery piece on the front of each one with turrets cuz the helicopter carrier needs support ships with it and I can recruit a private military with about 400 or 500 men using mostly assault rifles and grease smgs with metal armor the basics good enough to get the job done and I'll appeal to the San Francisco Shi people to be there military force sinse they have a heavy economy and society system and we can be funded by them and they'll have a military force to defend against itself and we can bring shipments of oil from the rig so they can have oil etc and we could explore expanding San Francisco territory lol
Originally Far Harbor is a campaign questline, where you enter and leave an underwater vault with the Chinese submarine. They also had mechanisms for amphibious combat, picked up by M150.
Originally Far Harbor is a campaign questline, where you enter and leave an underwater vault with the Chinese submarine. They also had mechanisms for amphibious combat, picked up by M150.
@@Bob-bs9ok There is a model for a giant squid in the game which was for a quest where you would fight it underwater with the Harpoon weapon you would find in Far Harbor but it was cut early in development.
If the minutemen after they build up all settlements etc and turn the castle into a naval base and take the Yangtze submarine and USS Democracy submarine and fix them up and make simple missiles for them to use and take the tugboats around Boston waters and fix them to be turned into destroyers by putting a artillery piece on the front of each one with minigun turret too and add some to each submarine they would have a minutemen navy with 2 fleets to command I'll command one and Ronnie Shaw command other fleet while Preston leads land forces I'll sail my fleet to the capital wasteland to take out the other brotherhood of steel, super mutants and raiders etc expanding the minutemen lol
The poseidon isn’t a tanker. It’s also not general cargo. It’s a bulk carrier for transporting things like ores and coal etc. there is no real way you could convert a bulk carrier to a tanker and vice versa economically, however it is mentioned in the lore that steel is harder to come by thanks to the sino american war. So, maybe The pre war people scrapped all the oil tankers except for a few when oil was almost gone. And then when they reconquered anchorage they needed a tanker really quickly so they just took a bulk carrier and dumped crude oil in it. It’s possible, just really stupid. EDIT It’s an OBO, can carry both crude oil and coal etc. Became popular in the 50s but are basically out of use today so using that design makes sense in the world of fallout.
@@lucaschneider1613 I think it may have been a Ore/Bulk/Oil Carrier like such Vessels as the MV Derbyshire, they are designed to carrry all 3 types and where built to be economically viable long term and to reduce the times the ship is run empty.
@@REDARROW_A_Personal that actually makes sense. Didn’t think of ‘em since they are long gone but seeing as came into being in the 50s. Having ‘em in fallout makes sense from a style perspective.
Subs were designed mostly for stealth in fallout it seems their only goal was to survive just long enough to launch their missiles after which their survival no longer matters
I think the pictures make the ship seem smaller than it actually would be. Furthermore, submarines are almost never attacked by torpedo, instead by depth charges and modern counterparts. These don't need a direct hit, instead just getting close enough that the pressure blast cracks open the hull.
If I was the general of minutemen I would take both Yangtze and USS Democracy submarine to be fixed up and make simple missiles to be used and turn castle into a naval base with docks installed and take the tugboats around Boston waters and fix them up to be turned into destroyers by putting a artillery piece on the front of each one with minigun turret on each side etc and create 2 fleets of ships with each submarine commanding one , I'll command one and Ronnie Shaw command other fleet , she'll stay in commonwealth ,while I go to capital wasteland to take on the brotherhood of steel etc and add it as a province of commonwealth and so forth lol
USS Oriskany did actually have a Catapult and Arrest system, this was commonplace in carriers after mid-WW2, which is when the Essex-class was designed, however, before completion the ship was redesigned as the Prototype of the SCB-27 modification to the class, then later modified into SCB-125A, both times changing the catapults, the two prongs on the front deck of the photo shown are "bridle catchers", used to keep the wires that connect the catapult to the plane(bridles) from falling into the ocean
The island superstructure of Rivet City was also in the correct place for a Carrier of similar design being on the Starboard (right) side of the ship. It was pretty accurately modeled, too, if you compare the profile of the two ships; simply remove the radars and aerials! They even included the angled Ammunition Lifts below it, you can use it in the game to scale the side of the ship to find some ammo cans.
Maybe the Yangtze was an American submarine that was commandeered by the PLAN and was hastily redesignated and deployed, which would explain the English characters inside and the design similarity to the USS Democracy
@@Rad_King I think the official explanation is that American companies supplied parts to China, like shown in Fallout 3. The USS Democracy is actually a copy...
Maybe the reason why tugboats look different in fallout 3 and new Vegas (Pre war being a kind of 60’s Futuristic Era). Would be because it has some sort of development that makes the design of the boat universal. Or maybe Bethesda was just being lazy and didn’t want to spend extra time designing new boats.
@@Rad_King For a lore argument, it's probably just that the tugboats in 3 and NV are just the same class/type of boat. Think of it as how you see the same type of car throughout the series (like the Highwayman) or how 4 and 76 have the same train engines.
That's pretty neat. Wish we could operate a boat or ship or any vehicles. I'm currently set-up at Taffington Boathouse where I made a large dock and have a trawler there that I made to look like a fishing/crabbing boat. It just sits there though. I pretend I'm just like "AH...I'll get her running again someday..."
Why do that when if you become the general of the minutemen and turn the castle into a naval base and take the Yangtze and USS Democracy submarine and fix them up and make simple missiles for them and take the tugboats around Boston waters and fix them up to be turned into destroyers by putting a artillery piece on the front of each one with minigun turret on each side etc and make 2 minutemen fleets by splitting the destroyers up and put a submarine to command each group and the minutemen can expand into other territories and you as general would be admiral too , you command one fleet and Ronnie Shaw command other fleet and you can take your fleet to bring civilization to the capital area by taking out the remnants of brotherhood of steel, super mutants and raiders etc and have another province added to commonwealth minutemen and so forth lol
I remember the Tug from 76, I actually set my base up there when I was still playing the game. Apart from having to kill some ghouls or propaganda bots every now and then, it was a really good spot since the lake never really got nuked and the super mutes I had as neighbours kept the general populace away.
The whole argument about there being two boats because objects don't travel with you is kind of silly, that's simply how the game engine works. It moves your character to a new scene, but it doesn't move any objects.
@@kamikazekalamari Well that's interesting, because when I first encountered this sign about 2 months ago, I thought it was some kind of nazi symbolic/sign, the fact that it is black and white reinforced that. Then I found a youtube channel with the same profile pic, then I understood the meaning of the sign. )))
Im not a naval engineer but probably the idea of having the engines in the middle of the yangtze was made (because its cool as fk) and in a practical way i think that probably hide the noise of the engines a bit more rather than having all at the back.... i mean like a kind fallout esque stealth..........like the stealth warplanes which have the engines in the middle often, and covered by the plane itself (im thinking now in the YF23). But from a practical perspective i just think that U boat kind of form its practical for reduce drag, but at the same time i think the curves and overall design of the submarine its super recognoscible if you see that in a sonar... i mean modern sonar scans by sound making a 3d maping.... so having that silouette on a screen probably screams (CHINESE SUB) But maybe the sonars on fallout are not like our modern day sonar. And well thats my rambling about the yangtze by a not ship or sub engineer, i just love machines and vehicles and i often miss a lot of things so im open to suggestions of course. PD nice vid keep em doing it please oh and make a vid about post war functional vehicles in game.... and the ones we as players dont see (ncr tonks etc ) Pd2 : your channel its a gold gem :3
Probably because the reactor that powers the ship is amidships and in order to reduce the amount of steam piping (steam line ruptures being crazy dangerous to the crew), the main engines are probably decently close to that point, if not a bit aft, with a longer shaft
Now here in Chattanooga we have a riverboat that comes by from time to time called the southern belle . She has that kind of configuration that can haul cargo or people but she's had a conversion refit for the luxury cruises on the river . But yeah those boats are infinitely modifiable as long as you're not getting carried away .....
I'm really happy that you're back! Your videos are really fun to watch:)) what do you say to make a video about the (main) armours from the fallout series? (Like ranger armor or mercenary armor)
I appreciate that you started doing this again, it's pretty legit. Perhaps, you could look at the miscellaneous designs of the wastelands, the things left behind from prewar, and then the strange things set up in the postwar, then the things that don't make sense like finding radiated brahmin food in someone's pristine home, strange things like that.
@@SwedishEmpire1700 Maybe, but these boats surviving two centuries with no maintenance (possibly due to some advanced materials) is way less silly than all this radiation still existing after four decades. Realistically, none of the mini nukes should still work at all. Fallout intentionally operates on 1950s b-movie logic, which is why irradiated animals tend to either grow in size or become ghouls like in an old comic book instead of all of them just dying horribly. If you want a more realistic apocalypse, The Last of US is there, but Fallout is your gritty sci-fi action schlock in which common processed foods survive in an edible form for centuries, presumably to an ungodly amount of preservatives.
I'd assume tugboats managed to survive more often because they were the most useful for survivors. The more powerful engine and added durability would come in handy, and it would be great for scrapping larger cargo ships that won't be needed when global trade has completely broken down.
the USS Oriskany had catapults and arresting gear, that was common to all US fleet carriers. And the island is on the correct side of the ship, as the bridge is facing forwards. Also, the biggest artificial reef was a Kitty Hawk class aircraft carrier, not the Oriskany.
my name is Ozymandias king of kings. look apon my works ye mighty and despair. nothing beside remains. excerpt from Ozymandias. prefect name for a fallout ship
what I always found interesting is that the larger ships of fallout 4 all seem to have a Tumblehome Hull design, which was quite rare in civilian vessels, most noteworthy that had it was the cruise ship/ocean liners Willem Ruys (later Achille Lauro), and the Orange (later Angelina Lauro), the french were the most common user of that design however, but mostly in their really early warships also about Yangtze, I have a little theory that she was captured by the Chinese and repurposed at some point before the great war, it would explain why the one at the nucleus is a near identical (but scaled down) design, and why there was lots of US products aboard (wouldn't want to just throw away good food and drink just because its american right?) also as for Azalea I always found it extremely strange that its nameplate is painted on the part of the hull which is...underwater 90% of the time
the super submarine has a little real-world influence, the middle section surrounding the conning tower resembles a german u-boat, the most notable feature being the juxtaposition of the angled keel section and the flat walkable upper deck with railing
@@John.McMillan nah it's more the potential for hot-racking that sucks lol but they definitely have better air-con than we had in the plants on the carrier, where we had to operate the reactor in 110-120F, whereas a sub the plant is a much more comfortable mid-70s
@@znmckague I think 90% of the reason I am not a fan of the idea is the stories of crews being stuck below the depths from WW2 and the cold war era, Very unlikely now but I already had a rather salty disposition towards the ocean.
The submarines in the Point Lookout dlc always messed with my submechanophobia… so did the part of the River city history quest involving going into the bow of the ship
The Yangtze and Democracy subs are shaped very similarly to whales, which are the greatest deep-sea diving creatures on earth. Putting the two side by side reminds me of a whale and its calf
Potential video idea: what if Fallout versions of Soviet Vehicles. Also the Yagze has a serious issue all the weight towards the front would make it easy to dive...AND STAY dived.
Bethesda should take inspiration from 1960s general cargo vessels like the _NS Savannah_ or the _Cap San Diego_ . The cargo vessels in F04 just look bad. They are missing general structures, the bridge is just copied from the tugboat and the cargo doors just doesn't belong on a larger container ship like that. They also just used the harbor cranes to be the cranes for a container ship. Also for the next Fallout we should get at least drivable cars and ships.
My thoughts on the odd submarines. Because this would be based on WW2 to coldwar. That would suggest it's a prototype due reactor malfunctions. The crew was infitated by the Chinese. Maybe it had malfunctioned or was damaged. The sub had blown main ballast to surfuce and attempted to scuttle the vessel.
The yangtze had American's and American products it's most likely the yangtze was captured by the Chinese much like when the allies used a captured u-boat
the two weird looking ones that had turbines in the bottom middle also had them in the rear plus i think they would be used like u boats and and be mostly submerged with the top exposed and not be a deep water subs like todays, also the body of it reminds me of tadpole like design so the water balus would be in the front to help with keeping the vessel upright with the hydrofoils and the rear elevator rudders would help keep it from nosediving as well as the middle turbines also doing that by having them at a slight angle as you see them as
So to add some clarification to the Carrier that became Rivet City, the Oriskany was an Essex class carrier developed during WWII with the first ships of the class did see limited deployment at the very end of the war. Second the Island isnt on the opposite side it is on Starboard side like all US carriers have been, the section of the ship broken off is the Bow not the Stern. Thrid the ship that became Rivet City is most likely the USS Intrepid which is the Essex class in New York City, probably reactivated in an emergency roll to protect the capital during the Resorce War/Great War. Along with its wings of I would assume hastily updated F-80 strike craft which is why the fighters you see look like slightly altered F-80's. More or less Rivet City was a museum ship reactivated in a hastily emergency manner and now is Rivet City. To explain the nuclear reactor on board it was actually a retrofitted Essex Class Carrier that first tested the Nuclear powered Carrier concept before its actual nuclear powered replacement class the the heavily modified Midway class that became its own class the Enterprise Class which USs Enterprise CV-65 was the only ship of her class and was then replaced by the Mass produced KittyHawk Class carriers later replaced by the Nimitz Class now being phased out by the New Greald R Ford Class carriers.
I want to point out that the Valdez here is most likely a reference to the Exxon Valdez, as it was being used as a raider outpost after running aground in our world, in the movie Waterworld.
When you grow up reading books about a tugboat with a face, then get to watch said tugboat with a face pull into your local harbor, it just changes ya man..
Because you asked: The submarine design from Fallout 4 has some seriousw issues. Namely that its propellers are mounted at an angel, wich means that they'd be constantly producing lift, wich would have been to be corrected by the diveplanes, wich would also have greatly diminished effectiveness, since they aren't mounted inside the waterstream caused by the propellers. This cause stome serious stresses on the vessel. If these propulsion would folow a traditional layout with the propeller and the engine mounted at either and aof a shaft, the engine'S location would be somwehere inside the misile silo.
I always thought the Fallout 4 Cargo ship flipped over in the shockwave from the nuclear explosion. Also, The reverse bow is use to break the water to make them more fuel efficient than a traditional bow., and it fell out of favor when the bulbus bow (Modern cruise line and Cargo ship bow) was engineered. The Bulbus bow is both stable, and fuel efficient.
My personal headcannon is that the Yangtze is actually a captured US ship, having a completely different design philosophy than the Point Lookout submarine and being basically identical with the Far Harbour submarine (Interesting note, the design seems to be highly modular)
As you were talking about, the yangtze had a VERY similar design to "the vessel", it also has american products and language aboard. I believe this is to suggest the yangtze is ACTUALLY A CAPTURED US submarine. "the Vessel" may well have been being fitted with stealth trchnology to take down the yangtze.
Tbh, I think the reality of the situation is much more banal. Bethesda was just lazy, and it was a lot more simple to use the same food/loot and computer terminals, than take the time to design things from the ground up to fit a Chinese vessel. They figured if they threw a couple of Chinese flags around, that would be goon enough.
@@Ostenjager I don't know, bethesda has been pretty good about keeping commies away from US goods in FO3, new vegas(technically obsidian to be fair), and presumably FO4
The ship called the "Valdez" in Fallout 2 is a reference to the real life tanker ship the "Exxon Valdez"(though they pronounce it "Val-Deez" for some reason), which caused an oil spill back in the late 1980s.
In the DLC The Pitt there are several tug boats that are practically the same tug boats as in fallout 3 and new vegas but they are larger and it would be practically impossible to navigate with them, since nobody could reach the helm.
I’m speaking from memory so I might not have all the details right, but I’m pretty sure Fallout 4 strongly suggests that the stealth technology employed by the Yangtze and USS Democracy was originally developed by the Chinese. One of the terminals in P.A.M.’s original room at The Switchboard details a conversation between P.A.M. and one of her engineers, in which she predicts that it’s highly likely that the Chinese have developed advanced stealth submarine tech. She even goes as far as predicting the region of China in which they were most likely built, due to the sparse intelligence reports coming from the region over the past 2-3 years. The engineer responds with surprise, in disbelief that such a thing flew under The Switchboard’s radar for so long. It certainly fits with the rest of the lore surrounding stealth technology: The Chinese have always been a step ahead. The stealth boy was designed by reverse engineering stealth suits, after all.
The Chinese stealth sub has *four* screws, three in the middle and one in the rear. And basically every submarine has dive planes, they're just usually retractable, so you don't see them when they surface.
This is just a guess but the two submarines may not be copies of each other. My guess is that the ballast tanks are in the nose, along with their main armament. The lack of a rearward superstructure may be due to a lack in raw materials such as steel and other hard metals. That might explain why the propellers are roughly under the center of the vehicle, as a way to try and balance the weight when the nose is so heavy. Also the props are at an angle so my guess is their job is twofold. 1st is to provide horizontal propulsion and the 2nd is to provide lift to the front of the ship due to a massive weight imbalance.
Fun fact: Summersville Lake is an entirely landlocked, man made, lake, created by an earth dam built by the US Army Corps of Engineers between 1960 and 1966 on the Gauley River. It was built as part of a series of dams on several rivers in the state designed to help control flood waters that would severely impact Charleston, the state capitol, with relative frequency. It's an entirely recreational lake. There's no shipping whatsoever, so there really SHOULDN'T be a tugboat in 76 in the first place.
The two submarines look like the silhouettes of large whales imo, wonder if that played into the stealth purposes of these subs in terms of being in place solely to launch all their missiles as close as possible to target cities
USS is only for warships. Well “Commissioned Ships” only manned by Military personnel. Navy ships manned by civilians or mostly Civilians have other designations like USNS.
@@thelongestpage7555 The first time playing the game I was just swimming north from the airport and ran straight into the propellers. No horror game can scare me but a fucking static object in a survival game made me fill my britches.
Oh man, you're lucky that Bethesda didn't include underwater creatures then!! They were originally going to be included but were cut. Like you know the dead mutated whale things on the beach? Yeah....those were originally going to be in the water LOL!!! Good thing they weren't!! How terrifying that would be.
@@-CrimsoN- I'm kinda pissed they didn't. The underwater vault quest seemed kinda cool. I bet they would've made the water much more clear if they did, can't see jackshit without mods.
12:37 they literally just hacked the tail off of the Yangtze and used it to make the US submarine. you can tell exactly where it’s cut off just by looking at the picture edit: they did the same thing with the conning tower, propeller, and the missile bay doors
"After a few hours of people asking me why I was looking at cargo ships"
Everyone now looking up pictures of "Evergreen":
👁👄👁
HAHAHAHAHA
Evergreen doin a t-pose
The economy crash anticipation stare.
Evergreen is everywhere, I you just look at an intermodal train over here in usa? Yeah, no chance of no evergreen containers
lol watching this right after reading about it being fully refloated
The Yangtze would be so forward heavy, and it doesn’t seem to have any aft ballast tanks. No way that thing could move lol
Hm.. considering the engines are apparently in the middle, it could actually make some sense. Ballast tanks could be placed all along the aft of the sub, combined with the weight of the engine rooms compared to the torpedo section.
But then again, I can't call myself a sub expert lmao this all could just be bull
Looks like if somebody karate chop it, the whole thing would snap in half
@@karloveliki5373 big brain time
there’s a reason why subs look like they do lol
It's in the water though
Another thing about the Valdez is that it shares it’s name with the Exxon Valdez, a real oil tanker that ran aground in the Prince William Sound in 1989, causing an oil spill.
That oil tanker would of come in handy if the chosen one in fallout 2 planned it right, by first not blowing up oil rig but just take out the enclave and use it for as a base and go to the vault in vault city and take the 50 or so water chips worth $10,000 each and easily have half a million dollars to work with, and convert the oil tanker into a helicopter carrier to be used for us, and take Navarro base to be as another base for ourselves and go to sierra army base to take over and take the 4 or 5 dozen robots and turrets to be savaged for electrical parts and savage the space shuttle to make more vertibirds to have and take automatic weapons from robots etc to be places on vertibirds to have gunship capability and take the 3 artillery pieces from sierra army base to be used to make armored gunboats by putting a artillery piece on the front of each one with turrets cuz the helicopter carrier needs support ships with it and I can recruit a private military with about 400 or 500 men using mostly assault rifles and grease smgs with metal armor the basics good enough to get the job done and I'll appeal to the San Francisco Shi people to be there military force sinse they have a heavy economy and society system and we can be funded by them and they'll have a military force to defend against itself and we can bring shipments of oil from the rig so they can have oil etc and we could explore expanding San Francisco territory lol
@@tylersoto7465 mr.house level thinking
I’m still mad they left the whole of the sea empty, such wasted potential. They done a better job with Point Lookouts ocean...
Originally Far Harbor is a campaign questline, where you enter and leave an underwater vault with the Chinese submarine. They also had mechanisms for amphibious combat, picked up by M150.
Originally Far Harbor is a campaign questline, where you enter and leave an underwater vault with the Chinese submarine. They also had mechanisms for amphibious combat, picked up by M150.
@@teslashark proof, cus' if so that would be very interesting
@@Bob-bs9ok There is a model for a giant squid in the game which was for a quest where you would fight it underwater with the Harpoon weapon you would find in Far Harbor but it was cut early in development.
@@teslashark yeah can we get a source cuz I’ve only heard about a underwater vault when referring to the 20 leagues under sea quest line
Dude how could you forget the USS Constitution?!
litterally the only reason i watched this video...
Is it really a boat if it flies ? 🥴
@@fabianweber6937 *Laughs in Space “Ship”*
Grand Ole Glorious SHIPS are not merely boats Good Sir...Now walk thy plank heathen!
@@fabianweber6937 if it floats, it's a boat
“The Tugboats, for it’s size, is the most powerful craft afloat”
Yooo tugs
Its very good at tugging
- RadKing
If the minutemen after they build up all settlements etc and turn the castle into a naval base and take the Yangtze submarine and USS Democracy submarine and fix them up and make simple missiles for them to use and take the tugboats around Boston waters and fix them to be turned into destroyers by putting a artillery piece on the front of each one with minigun turret too and add some to each submarine they would have a minutemen navy with 2 fleets to command I'll command one and Ronnie Shaw command other fleet while Preston leads land forces I'll sail my fleet to the capital wasteland to take out the other brotherhood of steel, super mutants and raiders etc expanding the minutemen lol
The poseidon isn’t a tanker. It’s also not general cargo. It’s a bulk carrier for transporting things like ores and coal etc. there is no real way you could convert a bulk carrier to a tanker and vice versa economically, however it is mentioned in the lore that steel is harder to come by thanks to the sino american war. So, maybe
The pre war people scrapped all the oil tankers except for a few when oil was almost gone. And then when they reconquered anchorage they needed a tanker really quickly so they just took a bulk carrier and dumped crude oil in it.
It’s possible, just really stupid.
EDIT
It’s an OBO, can carry both crude oil and coal etc. Became popular in the 50s but are basically out of use today so using that design makes sense in the world of fallout.
@@vinslungur This explanation is the right answer.
*sino american war
@@big_pingu dick :p
@@lucaschneider1613 I think it may have been a Ore/Bulk/Oil Carrier like such Vessels as the MV Derbyshire, they are designed to carrry all 3 types and where built to be economically viable long term and to reduce the times the ship is run empty.
@@REDARROW_A_Personal that actually makes sense. Didn’t think of ‘em since they are long gone but seeing as came into being in the 50s. Having ‘em in fallout makes sense from a style perspective.
The Yangtze and Democracy Submarines looks super fragile. One torpedo or seamine to the thin rear section and you basically cut the thing in half
I mean, wouldn’t a direct hit always be critical to a submarine?
Subs were designed mostly for stealth in fallout it seems their only goal was to survive just long enough to launch their missiles after which their survival no longer matters
I think the pictures make the ship seem smaller than it actually would be. Furthermore, submarines are almost never attacked by torpedo, instead by depth charges and modern counterparts. These don't need a direct hit, instead just getting close enough that the pressure blast cracks open the hull.
If I was the general of minutemen I would take both Yangtze and USS Democracy submarine to be fixed up and make simple missiles to be used and turn castle into a naval base with docks installed and take the tugboats around Boston waters and fix them up to be turned into destroyers by putting a artillery piece on the front of each one with minigun turret on each side etc and create 2 fleets of ships with each submarine commanding one , I'll command one and Ronnie Shaw command other fleet , she'll stay in commonwealth ,while I go to capital wasteland to take on the brotherhood of steel etc and add it as a province of commonwealth and so forth lol
@@tylersoto7465 I like your idea lol
Look at the boats in S.T.A.L.K.E.R.! Specifically, all the boats found in the Zaton area.
USS Oriskany did actually have a Catapult and Arrest system, this was commonplace in carriers after mid-WW2, which is when the Essex-class was designed, however, before completion the ship was redesigned as the Prototype of the SCB-27 modification to the class, then later modified into SCB-125A, both times changing the catapults, the two prongs on the front deck of the photo shown are "bridle catchers", used to keep the wires that connect the catapult to the plane(bridles) from falling into the ocean
The island superstructure of Rivet City was also in the correct place for a Carrier of similar design being on the Starboard (right) side of the ship. It was pretty accurately modeled, too, if you compare the profile of the two ships; simply remove the radars and aerials! They even included the angled Ammunition Lifts below it, you can use it in the game to scale the side of the ship to find some ammo cans.
Maybe the Yangtze was an American submarine that was commandeered by the PLAN and was hastily redesignated and deployed, which would explain the English characters inside and the design similarity to the USS Democracy
Huh, interesting thought!
@@Rad_King I think the official explanation is that American companies supplied parts to China, like shown in Fallout 3. The USS Democracy is actually a copy...
teslashark Which makes it even funnier,given how the US was pre-war.
Dangit, I thought I was the first to come up with that
@@Rad_King 'lot of big brain ain't that right RadKing?
Maybe the reason why tugboats look different in fallout 3 and new Vegas (Pre war being a kind of 60’s Futuristic Era). Would be because it has some sort of development that makes the design of the boat universal. Or maybe Bethesda was just being lazy and didn’t want to spend extra time designing new boats.
The latter is probably the case but if we can make a convincing lore argument, that’s more fun.
It's game development, of course they were lazy and saving up on resources :P
@@Rad_King For a lore argument, it's probably just that the tugboats in 3 and NV are just the same class/type of boat. Think of it as how you see the same type of car throughout the series (like the Highwayman) or how 4 and 76 have the same train engines.
That's pretty neat. Wish we could operate a boat or ship or any vehicles. I'm currently set-up at Taffington Boathouse where I made a large dock and have a trawler there that I made to look like a fishing/crabbing boat. It just sits there though. I pretend I'm just like "AH...I'll get her running again someday..."
Why do that when if you become the general of the minutemen and turn the castle into a naval base and take the Yangtze and USS Democracy submarine and fix them up and make simple missiles for them and take the tugboats around Boston waters and fix them up to be turned into destroyers by putting a artillery piece on the front of each one with minigun turret on each side etc and make 2 minutemen fleets by splitting the destroyers up and put a submarine to command each group and the minutemen can expand into other territories and you as general would be admiral too , you command one fleet and Ronnie Shaw command other fleet and you can take your fleet to bring civilization to the capital area by taking out the remnants of brotherhood of steel, super mutants and raiders etc and have another province added to commonwealth minutemen and so forth lol
I remember the Tug from 76, I actually set my base up there when I was still playing the game. Apart from having to kill some ghouls or propaganda bots every now and then, it was a really good spot since the lake never really got nuked and the super mutes I had as neighbours kept the general populace away.
It’s unlikely that it would EVER work, but an irl full size mock up of the Yangtze sub would be super intriguing to see.
1) The subs in question would be severely unbalanced while traveling in water. 2) The bubble on the front of Naval ships is actually still used.
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The whole argument about there being two boats because objects don't travel with you is kind of silly, that's simply how the game engine works. It moves your character to a new scene, but it doesn't move any objects.
Exactly what I thought
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@@kamikazekalamari Hey, cool profile picture. Immediately recognised it.
The 3 arrows, the 3 deaths to Communism, Fasciam, Monarchism.
@@sonofgreatsteppes9497 yeah thanks, most people mistake it nowadays as a sign strictly connected to the far left
@@kamikazekalamari Well that's interesting, because when I first encountered this sign about 2 months ago, I thought it was some kind of nazi symbolic/sign, the fact that it is black and white reinforced that. Then I found a youtube channel with the same profile pic, then I understood the meaning of the sign. )))
The shape of the Yangtze looks a bit like a extreme version of the I-400 Class Japanese submarines, although their roles are completely different
Im not a naval engineer but probably the idea of having the engines in the middle of the yangtze was made (because its cool as fk) and in a practical way i think that probably hide the noise of the engines a bit more rather than having all at the back.... i mean like a kind fallout esque stealth..........like the stealth warplanes which have the engines in the middle often, and covered by the plane itself (im thinking now in the YF23).
But from a practical perspective i just think that U boat kind of form its practical for reduce drag, but at the same time i think the curves and overall design of the submarine its super recognoscible if you see that in a sonar... i mean modern sonar scans by sound making a 3d maping.... so having that silouette on a screen probably screams (CHINESE SUB) But maybe the sonars on fallout are not like our modern day sonar.
And well thats my rambling about the yangtze by a not ship or sub engineer, i just love machines and vehicles and i often miss a lot of things so im open to suggestions of course.
PD nice vid keep em doing it please oh and make a vid about post war functional vehicles in game.... and the ones we as players dont see (ncr tonks etc )
Pd2 : your channel its a gold gem :3
Yeah I would be curious to hear what an engineer that designs boats or naval vessels would think of this layout. Thanks for the love!
Probably because the reactor that powers the ship is amidships and in order to reduce the amount of steam piping (steam line ruptures being crazy dangerous to the crew), the main engines are probably decently close to that point, if not a bit aft, with a longer shaft
@@znmckague thats a nice theory too lol!
Now here in Chattanooga we have a riverboat that comes by from time to time called the southern belle . She has that kind of configuration that can haul cargo or people but she's had a conversion refit for the luxury cruises on the river . But yeah those boats are infinitely modifiable as long as you're not getting carried away .....
So glad I stumbled upon your channel. Will definetly be sticking around to check out all your other videos! Thank you for making this one. I subbed!
I'm really happy that you're back! Your videos are really fun to watch:)) what do you say to make a video about the (main) armours from the fallout series? (Like ranger armor or mercenary armor)
I like the idea! I will add it to the list.
I appreciate that you started doing this again, it's pretty legit. Perhaps, you could look at the miscellaneous designs of the wastelands, the things left behind from prewar, and then the strange things set up in the postwar, then the things that don't make sense like finding radiated brahmin food in someone's pristine home, strange things like that.
“Given the extremely creative name of the Vessel”
High reeeeepublic writers: write that down write that down
Just seeing boats stay afloat after drifting for 200 years straight without maintenance (even wooden rowboats) is abit derp
They were probably built of some crazy good materials or something.
@@ElPayasoMalo Now we are talking about crazy ALIEN 1950's BINGO BANGO BONGO material
@@SwedishEmpire1700 Maybe, but these boats surviving two centuries with no maintenance (possibly due to some advanced materials) is way less silly than all this radiation still existing after four decades. Realistically, none of the mini nukes should still work at all.
Fallout intentionally operates on 1950s b-movie logic, which is why irradiated animals tend to either grow in size or become ghouls like in an old comic book instead of all of them just dying horribly. If you want a more realistic apocalypse, The Last of US is there, but Fallout is your gritty sci-fi action schlock in which common processed foods survive in an edible form for centuries, presumably to an ungodly amount of preservatives.
@@ElPayasoMalo Older Fallouts where better, actually.
I'd assume tugboats managed to survive more often because they were the most useful for survivors. The more powerful engine and added durability would come in handy, and it would be great for scrapping larger cargo ships that won't be needed when global trade has completely broken down.
the USS Oriskany had catapults and arresting gear, that was common to all US fleet carriers. And the island is on the correct side of the ship, as the bridge is facing forwards. Also, the biggest artificial reef was a Kitty Hawk class aircraft carrier, not the Oriskany.
Keep the fallout vehicle videos coming there awesome
Phrog will do!
my name is Ozymandias king of kings. look apon my works ye mighty and despair. nothing beside remains. excerpt from Ozymandias. prefect name for a fallout ship
After finding out Oxhorn had some questionable past beliefs I discovered your videos and can't get enough. Keep up the good work!
What was his beliefs? Used to love oxhorn
I also want to know
That's a really cringe take
what I always found interesting is that the larger ships of fallout 4 all seem to have a Tumblehome Hull design, which was quite rare in civilian vessels, most noteworthy that had it was the cruise ship/ocean liners Willem Ruys (later Achille Lauro), and the Orange (later Angelina Lauro), the french were the most common user of that design however, but mostly in their really early warships
also about Yangtze, I have a little theory that she was captured by the Chinese and repurposed at some point before the great war, it would explain why the one at the nucleus is a near identical (but scaled down) design, and why there was lots of US products aboard (wouldn't want to just throw away good food and drink just because its american right?)
also as for Azalea I always found it extremely strange that its nameplate is painted on the part of the hull which is...underwater 90% of the time
...Or Bethesda didnt bother to texture chinese versions of the stuff simply enough, and just did the usual copy-paste
The huge front on the Yangze is used to store the ballistic missiles more effectively.
The ssn reminds me of the uss blue back at omsi in portland oregon
the super submarine has a little real-world influence, the middle section surrounding the conning tower resembles a german u-boat, the most notable feature being the juxtaposition of the angled keel section and the flat walkable upper deck with railing
Fun fact. Submarines are boats. And you covered 4 ships. The three cargo ships, and the aircraft carrier.
Nobody cares what submariners think. Bunch of bubble headed bums what with their air conditioned plants
@@znmckague I certainly wouldn't want to be leagues under the sea for months on end.
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@@John.McMillan nah it's more the potential for hot-racking that sucks lol but they definitely have better air-con than we had in the plants on the carrier, where we had to operate the reactor in 110-120F, whereas a sub the plant is a much more comfortable mid-70s
@@znmckague I think 90% of the reason I am not a fan of the idea is the stories of crews being stuck below the depths from WW2 and the cold war era, Very unlikely now but I already had a rather salty disposition towards the ocean.
The submarines in the Point Lookout dlc always messed with my submechanophobia… so did the part of the River city history quest involving going into the bow of the ship
the bow on the cargo ship is realistic. most modern tankers/bulk carriers have bulbous bows that are normally always submerged, unless riding high.
I remember taking a close look at the sub in the glowing kids base and thinking that it looked sooooo cool
11:58 Looks like our buddy from FO3 made his way to Bean Town.
The Yangtze and Democracy subs are shaped very similarly to whales, which are the greatest deep-sea diving creatures on earth. Putting the two side by side reminds me of a whale and its calf
Potential video idea: what if Fallout versions of Soviet Vehicles. Also the Yagze has a serious issue all the weight towards the front would make it easy to dive...AND STAY dived.
Bethesda should take inspiration from 1960s general cargo vessels like the _NS Savannah_ or the _Cap San Diego_ . The cargo vessels in F04 just look bad. They are missing general structures, the bridge is just copied from the tugboat and the cargo doors just doesn't belong on a larger container ship like that. They also just used the harbor cranes to be the cranes for a container ship.
Also for the next Fallout we should get at least drivable cars and ships.
My thoughts on the odd submarines. Because this would be based on WW2 to coldwar. That would suggest it's a prototype due reactor malfunctions. The crew was infitated by the Chinese. Maybe it had malfunctioned or was damaged. The sub had blown main ballast to surfuce and attempted to scuttle the vessel.
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Captain Ironsides will be most displeased that you forgot his noble vessel! Maybe you are secretly working for Weatherby Savings and Loan... ;)
I love the Yangtse design just for its weirdness
The yangtze had American's and American products it's most likely the yangtze was captured by the Chinese much like when the allies used a captured u-boat
The captain went to land to loot for supplies
You forgot the hunting rifle in your rifles of fallout video
Well that was dumb of me!
the two weird looking ones that had turbines in the bottom middle also had them in the rear plus i think they would be used like u boats and and be mostly submerged with the top exposed and not be a deep water subs like todays, also the body of it reminds me of tadpole like design so the water balus would be in the front to help with keeping the vessel upright with the hydrofoils and the rear elevator rudders would help keep it from nosediving as well as the middle turbines also doing that by having them at a slight angle as you see them as
it is a design that i wanted to use in the game from the depths but you can't easily angle rotors to do that in the game but it is possible
So to add some clarification to the Carrier that became Rivet City, the Oriskany was an Essex class carrier developed during WWII with the first ships of the class did see limited deployment at the very end of the war. Second the Island isnt on the opposite side it is on Starboard side like all US carriers have been, the section of the ship broken off is the Bow not the Stern. Thrid the ship that became Rivet City is most likely the USS Intrepid which is the Essex class in New York City, probably reactivated in an emergency roll to protect the capital during the Resorce War/Great War. Along with its wings of I would assume hastily updated F-80 strike craft which is why the fighters you see look like slightly altered F-80's. More or less Rivet City was a museum ship reactivated in a hastily emergency manner and now is Rivet City. To explain the nuclear reactor on board it was actually a retrofitted Essex Class Carrier that first tested the Nuclear powered Carrier concept before its actual nuclear powered replacement class the the heavily modified Midway class that became its own class the Enterprise Class which USs Enterprise CV-65 was the only ship of her class and was then replaced by the Mass produced KittyHawk Class carriers later replaced by the Nimitz Class now being phased out by the New Greald R Ford Class carriers.
I want to point out that the Valdez here is most likely a reference to the Exxon Valdez, as it was being used as a raider outpost after running aground in our world, in the movie Waterworld.
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When you grow up reading books about a tugboat with a face, then get to watch said tugboat with a face pull into your local harbor, it just changes ya man..
8:25 when you interurrurpt the feral ghouls when they are praying
Because you asked: The submarine design from Fallout 4 has some seriousw issues. Namely that its propellers are mounted at an angel, wich means that they'd be constantly producing lift, wich would have been to be corrected by the diveplanes, wich would also have greatly diminished effectiveness, since they aren't mounted inside the waterstream caused by the propellers. This cause stome serious stresses on the vessel.
If these propulsion would folow a traditional layout with the propeller and the engine mounted at either and aof a shaft, the engine'S location would be somwehere inside the misile silo.
I always thought the Fallout 4 Cargo ship flipped over in the shockwave from the nuclear explosion.
Also, The reverse bow is use to break the water to make them more fuel efficient than a traditional bow., and it fell out of favor when the bulbus bow (Modern cruise line and Cargo ship bow) was engineered. The Bulbus bow is both stable, and fuel efficient.
My personal headcannon is that the Yangtze is actually a captured US ship, having a completely different design philosophy than the Point Lookout submarine and being basically identical with the Far Harbour submarine (Interesting note, the design seems to be highly modular)
9:38 Three engines and four propellers. It's hard to describe something fictional.
"roughly the same shape, when looked at, from above" XD every boat has roughly the same shape, when looked at from above!
The center of the Yangtze Reminds me of any U-boat
Type 9 with a very swollen lip
@@shaunfilby8026 Maybe a gato class?
As you were talking about, the yangtze had a VERY similar design to "the vessel", it also has american products and language aboard. I believe this is to suggest the yangtze is ACTUALLY A CAPTURED US submarine. "the Vessel" may well have been being fitted with stealth trchnology to take down the yangtze.
Tbh, I think the reality of the situation is much more banal.
Bethesda was just lazy, and it was a lot more simple to use the same food/loot and computer terminals, than take the time to design things from the ground up to fit a Chinese vessel. They figured if they threw a couple of Chinese flags around, that would be goon enough.
@@Ostenjager I don't know, bethesda has been pretty good about keeping commies away from US goods in FO3, new vegas(technically obsidian to be fair), and presumably FO4
Great video man Iove to see stuff like this definitely subscribed
The Yangtze has four props 3 in the middle and one on the tail end infront of the rudder (although that is the smallest prop of the 4)
The ship called the "Valdez" in Fallout 2 is a reference to the real life tanker ship the "Exxon Valdez"(though they pronounce it "Val-Deez" for some reason), which caused an oil spill back in the late 1980s.
In the DLC The Pitt there are several tug boats that are practically the same tug boats as in fallout 3 and new vegas but they are larger and it would be practically impossible to navigate with them, since nobody could reach the helm.
I don’t how i landed here but i glad to find it. Good job +1 subscriber
well done. however If i might make a suggestion. maybe less random clips and more images of the ships/items that you are talking about in the future.
I’m speaking from memory so I might not have all the details right, but I’m pretty sure Fallout 4 strongly suggests that the stealth technology employed by the Yangtze and USS Democracy was originally developed by the Chinese.
One of the terminals in P.A.M.’s original room at The Switchboard details a conversation between P.A.M. and one of her engineers, in which she predicts that it’s highly likely that the Chinese have developed advanced stealth submarine tech. She even goes as far as predicting the region of China in which they were most likely built, due to the sparse intelligence reports coming from the region over the past 2-3 years. The engineer responds with surprise, in disbelief that such a thing flew under The Switchboard’s radar for so long.
It certainly fits with the rest of the lore surrounding stealth technology: The Chinese have always been a step ahead. The stealth boy was designed by reverse engineering stealth suits, after all.
USS Constitution was left out. The sail boat on the building. Its still a ship, just rebuilded to fly.
The Yangtze sorta looks like a u-boat if you chop the front off, something like U-26.
The Chinese stealth sub has *four* screws, three in the middle and one in the rear. And basically every submarine has dive planes, they're just usually retractable, so you don't see them when they surface.
I'd love one of the Fallout 4 tugboats. Of course it would be a fixed piece due to living in a desert... :D
Will you eventually talk about the shotguns of Fallout?
This is just a guess but the two submarines may not be copies of each other. My guess is that the ballast tanks are in the nose, along with their main armament. The lack of a rearward superstructure may be due to a lack in raw materials such as steel and other hard metals. That might explain why the propellers are roughly under the center of the vehicle, as a way to try and balance the weight when the nose is so heavy. Also the props are at an angle so my guess is their job is twofold. 1st is to provide horizontal propulsion and the 2nd is to provide lift to the front of the ship due to a massive weight imbalance.
The North Star kind reminds me of Jabba The Hutt’s Sail Barge.
Ah, I wish you actually used footage of exploring those ships and submarine
The M/S Northen star in Fallout, Looks nothing like what the real Northern star looks like.
Great series so far
Fun fact: Summersville Lake is an entirely landlocked, man made, lake, created by an earth dam built by the US Army Corps of Engineers between 1960 and 1966 on the Gauley River. It was built as part of a series of dams on several rivers in the state designed to help control flood waters that would severely impact Charleston, the state capitol, with relative frequency. It's an entirely recreational lake. There's no shipping whatsoever, so there really SHOULDN'T be a tugboat in 76 in the first place.
That paddle ferry reminds me of one I saw that I believe is in the US and it's kind of well known I believe.
You talking about rivet city for a brief bit made me want to play fallout 3 again, but on steam it doesn’t work for some reason, not compatible
The two submarines look like the silhouettes of large whales imo, wonder if that played into the stealth purposes of these subs in terms of being in place solely to launch all their missiles as close as possible to target cities
How do you only have 486 subs!!!!!
We fallout lore fans are a small and peculiar bunch :)
Ozymandias. Named after a poem.
The boat to fallout 4s far harbour DLC works the same as the point lookout boat because i dropped a gun on the boat and it wasn't there later
USS is only for warships.
Well “Commissioned Ships” only manned by Military personnel.
Navy ships manned by civilians or mostly Civilians have other designations like USNS.
As someone with moderate submechanophobia, swimming to the Yangtze stirs up some serious anxiety.
as someone who has both that and major cases of thalassophobia and megalophobia, it terrified me VERY badly.
@@thelongestpage7555 The first time playing the game I was just swimming north from the airport and ran straight into the propellers. No horror game can scare me but a fucking static object in a survival game made me fill my britches.
@@scottwinfrey8250 my first time through I was like "well, that kid probably saw a half sunken tugboat or somethi-OH JESUS CHRIST THAT'S VERY BIG"
Oh man, you're lucky that Bethesda didn't include underwater creatures then!! They were originally going to be included but were cut. Like you know the dead mutated whale things on the beach? Yeah....those were originally going to be in the water LOL!!! Good thing they weren't!! How terrifying that would be.
@@-CrimsoN- I'm kinda pissed they didn't. The underwater vault quest seemed kinda cool. I bet they would've made the water much more clear if they did, can't see jackshit without mods.
Ahem, I don't recall seeing Rivet City on here...
12:37 they literally just hacked the tail off of the Yangtze and used it to make the US submarine. you can tell exactly where it’s cut off just by looking at the picture
edit: they did the same thing with the conning tower, propeller, and the missile bay doors
Conning towers are similar, not same. Same situation with the subs of ww2, they were all similar but not exactly same
@@karloveliki5373 No, they made the middle section shorter. you can literally line them up and they’ll be the same
The tugboat for it’s size is the most powerful craft afl-Whoops, wrong series.
I can’t believe they didn’t mention the USS Constitution that Ironsides ran
Submarines are a type of boat. Or at least some sailors refer to them as such.
what about the exxon valdez?perhaps to solve our mystery tanker
that napoleon hat on Hancock lmfao
HE DID IT
So far no mention of swan paddle boats interesting
I loved that flying boat in fallout 4 ran by robots amd flying into a another building 😆 i was loke love
I originally read it as "the brats of fallout"