Living in Denmark I always do conversions on what you say. You are very clear in pointing out that your numbers are based on the Australian mix of things (coal power, and lacking power charging for long distances). Here with wind being a much bigger part of our grid, we have that small advantage. We just recently made as much biogas as we used to get from Russia. It's all moving medium quickly. Even my tech hesitant wife started talking solar. I got a little up to speed on bluetti, and narrowed down to the ac200 as a backup,, but even then, power never goes off here and the talk of 2 hour rotating brown outs this winter is no need to build a whole house system to cover us. Heck our battery devices like phones and computers can survive that time. So even the bluetti is on the back burner. By the way, I didn't get an electric car to replace our old gas car. I got a ten year old diesel Qashqai with double the gas efficiency and paid very little for it and can wait another 5 years to go ev, but I follow all ev news to keep alert to the time to go that route. Your insights are definitely a part of the mix of knowledge I have in all of this and I appreciate it. Thanks from up over here. It would be nice to visit shitsville someday.
@@leosheppard8517 I've heard that before. LoL. Of course since I didn't pay new price. I paid way under half what the cheapest ev costs, here, or ten times less than what a friend paid for their Tesla. So I'll keep that cash with my cash cow.
and here I am in the UK. My house was built in the early 1700's Upgrading the wiring is not a job for the faint hearted. The fun part of powering your home from the EV is.... It already has a fairly dismal range and now its going to be even shorter because you have been running your house off it.
@@stusue9733 nope cause he’s wrong. EV with terrible range are still orders of magnitude more powerful than the average home uses, much less just essential systems. My EV puts out 230kW which is about 200x more than the average home consumption of 1.2kW. Terrible range EV have like a 20kW battery which should power essential systems for days or more before needing a charge.
Biggest problem to v2L and V2G nirvana is most people use their cars during day going to < -> from work or out shopping, dropping kids to school, etc etc when the sun is shining. At night it's home needing to charge from a battery *not* charging a home... That's because home is where you need to charge because there aren't any chargers out on the streets anywhere...
In utopia we could buy our fancy EV and have our house fully off-grid at night, but then how to do you charge the EV to drive the next day? Especially if you want to tow a big fat trailer which reduces driving range by 75+ percent instantly...
Precisely what I've always said! This whole greenie wet dream is predicated on them eating their cake and having it, too. "I'll buy an EV, and have solar and/or wind at my home to charge it with. Then, to help stabilize the grid that we want running off solar and wind, as well as my home, my EV plugged in and connected with V2G and/or V2L can fill in the gaps!" Apparently, it never even occurred to them that in order to have charge for driving the next day, the EV actually has to TAKE a charge from grid or home, not GIVE. "I can use my electricity and have it, too! 🤪"
Most people have 2 cars and if both have v2l commuting shouldn't be an issue. E. G. I need to supplement my small house batteries in the UK winter when we haven't had enough sun to charge them fully. The v2l can keep us from using the high grid day rates until we can charge on cheap night rates and avoids need to buy huge house batteries.
@@aldozilli1293this as has been said is utopian fiction. Sure the EVs are all capable of this - we get it but where is the legislation to allow it and where are the cars at home to charge up on all this stored energy? Answer. They aren’t there! They are out on the road at work when the sun is shining!
@@wapphigh5250 well it works perfectly for me so perhaps not so utopian. Many people work from home nowadays like me so have cars on drive. Car is an Ioniq 5. Use a hybrid inverter. Car discharges up to 3.6kw, enough for most needs, on top of house battery discharge of up to 5.8kw. Get electrician to enable with contact or switch for off grid, or connect directly to house battery via battery charger. Charge up house battery and car on cheap night rates. Nothing against regulations with that set up. V2G may be handy but not ready yet and I'm more interested in accessing capacity of the huge battery sitting on the drive instead of spending loads on huge house batteries.
Some of the cars are 5kW (Rivian) and the Ford Lightning is 7kW, so they are OK for this and they have the ability to connect through there charge controllers. we live in a 60-70 year old home and we have Solar and Battery with full blackout protection. The house does not need to be re-wired as the power feed in from the batteries goes through the fuse box with the grid feed disconnected. Now as a 60+ year old home we do not have a huge load, we only have a 50A line feed in fuse, so maximum load is 12kW though battery is less than 10kW. But from the battery we can live with lights and fridges turned on, we may have to use the open fire, but maybe not. I would suggest waiting - We are still in early stages of the EV industry, in another few years we should know a fair bit more, maybe 2030 would be a good time. Saying that we have negative electricity bills now with our solar and battery. (Don't have an EV yet)
That's how you know when an electric reach forklift (and gas for that matter) is due for a service or its current market value. How many hours use since the last service (or time passed if rarely used). We get 5-7 years out of a forklift battery used approx 20 hours a week. They cost 7k to replace which is about 10% of the cost of a new forklift.
You think they don’t? I used to sell and service Makita, if you have the diagnostic charger it will tell you the history of the battery ie how many charges, to what level and that’s just a $100 battery on a power tool!
No different to trucks really that aren't going up the Hume all day but run around a major city, they do a lot more hours than they do kms to be due for servicing.
I have an 8 kw genset thats hooked into the house/ garage that is setup with a mains load switch, it fires up the genset when it detects a drop from the incoming supply and shut down when the power comes back on its set like a non return valve so there is no return to the main supply
Yes you can. My EV battery is capable of putting out a quarter megawatt, two hundred times the average home power consumption. It eve came with a vehicle to load inverter that can source 16A continuously. We had a multi day power outage and it powered all three of my refrigerators, some lights, phone chargers and internet, and could do so for over a week before needing to be recharged. I’m installing a bypass so it can also power my furnace as well, it’s a game changer like having a massive generator for free.
John, As usual very nice, well grounded analysis based on actual facts and from someone with engineering background rather than a millennial TH-camr living in an altered reality where knowledge about physics does not matter. Over the years, I have learned a lot from your videos. I would love to hear you doing an honest video that cuts through the B.S. about solid state battery.
Given my actual consumption is barely above 800W at night and maybe 1500W in summer, I'm thinking MG4 ---> Solar MPPT (charges my small house battery) ---> House load (can supplement the ~2kW from the car with the house battery if the load goes over) Additionally the battery life of eV packs is much better than with the original leaf due to the fact that they are maintained at constant temps during charge and discharge
john your are a hundred percent correct on what you have said about EV powering your home. especially the bit about an isolation switch to disconnect home power from street supplied , I was to install an isolation switch in my metre box so I can plugin my 36kv generator to power the house in a power outage.cost between 500$ & 1500$ . so instead I use caravan power in socket .to which I can connect power board and extension leads in my house and plugin what I need to run fridge chest freezer. gas stove for cooking PS also plugin a few lamps for lighting.
I'm not and electrical engineer, but the solar systems are sold that basically function - Sun to solar panel - panel to invertor - invertor to grid OR battery. The battery (potentially car) then feeds back into intvertor when the home is drawing more than the solar panels can supply so I'm not sure why you need 'special' wiring beyond that the comes with the invertor. I'd also be interested if a new EV's warranty could be voided if the battery is cycled too many time. A bit the the grey area of the fair use clause.
The reason why Nissan LEAF uses the chademo connecter is due to Japanese law that goes along the lines of all BEV cars (not sure if the law covers hydrogen fuel cells cars) have to be able to power your house when a natural disaster takes the grid down - Japanese fuse boards have a socket in them (could be a daughterboard) where the chademo connecter just plug in to then power the house. The other way you can run with an EV without a chademo connecter is like the F150 lighting (almost the same setup as what the Japanese law prescribes) or via a vehicle to load via a CCS connection... but the other way is via an inventor clamped upon the 12v battery system and you needs some maths and extension leads
100%. I have a Japanese PHEV with a Chademo that theoretically can do this too..has a huge battery (range is 50km on EV only) but the regulations have forced Mitsubishi to only allow charging from the 10amp cigarette socket. I can barely power a couple light bulbs!!!! Go figure
EVERYTHING electric in a house can definitely be powered by a Prius + inverter, and for an extended period. Sure, it is not _renewable energy,_ but it's great for power outages. Much more efficient than normal portable gensets, too.
Any feeding of power back into any power system requires either full grid synchronisation if the grid power connection is to remain 'live' or a way to auto-isolate it meaning the house power system while running off any sort of inverter is NOT synced to the grid. Then when grid power comes back you still have to re-synchronise with the grid or things will potentially go very very bad! Also during a blackout there is NO grid syncing at the 240 VAC level since part of the grid is off line, but the generators unless they have a full power station shutdown are always grid-sychronised and it's absolutely vital with an AC power system
5:47 Electrical workers work on energised systems all the time and a competent electrical worker always assumes the system is energised. Nature efficiently eliminates bad electrical workers.
Given charging above 90% takes much extra time or below 10% shortens battery life the charge is 80% useful. Now degrade another 20% over time leaves a very compromised vehicle.
So, the Outlanders Hybrids for example, can run in generator mode whilst parked. It doesn't care why the big battery is 'flat' but it wants to refill it. V2L/H what ever, is awesome in this scenario because the 'generator' is bolted to the engine, and runs when it wants. While powering a small home appliances. So called ranged anxiety gone, that it can clutch in whilst actually driving is a bonus, and it can power a house, or be charged by it. Sales pitch over.
Was watching some yootoob videos from a guy stuck in the Florida hurricane. He was close to running out of petrol for his genset, so hooked up his massive, dual wheeled, mega-liter diesel "truck" to some inverters and ran the important stuff (a fridge, some LED's etc), as he had an auxiliary tank, he had enough fuel for these essentials for at least a week. So successful that he's now going to add an auxiliary alternator running on clutched "overdrive" pulleys for future emergencies. So your idea of a hybrid with "charging mode" being used as both a conveyance and a power source in emergencies is practical, and worth looking at.
Although reports suggest Bidirectional chargers will cost about $10k, if you have a brother with a electrical lenience it is possible to set up V2L for $3k or a bit less. My second hand Leaf which I pick up cheep because of it's notorious battery issue. The battery hasn't deteriorated further and can still do short runs around town and is sufficient to run a few lights and the TV at night but can't run the AC. Most days we can charge the Leafs battery from 25% to about 80% from the solar during the day which is enough to run the house at night and do two trips to drop the kids off and pick them up from school. The set up has saved us about $5k a year in fuel and power. I am thinking about striping the battery out of the leaf and mounting it permanently in the shed as well a installing more solar and getting a new EV. Despite this I can't justify the expense as yet and don't want to piss my brother off further as he will have to do the rewiring. Note we still have a diesel 4x4 to take on long trips as EV infrastructure has a long way to go in Australia to justify replacing it with EV, maybe in 5 years. John grate show respect you work.
@Pete with the savings I will be able to do it sooner. Hope I have opened your eyes to the possibilities so you can investigate if Solar and EV suits your situation. 🤑
Just had an electrician ask me (I am in building control systems business) can we connect to electrical meters in a multi-storey building that are being installed for EV charges. I asked the question, how many are you thinking of installing ? It turns out that you have a multi-storey apartment complex with say 300 occupants. Now out of that 300 dudes is 20 occupants ATM that may have EVs. Now if you wanted to install enough EV chargers for those 20 occupants at 7 kW supply for each would be a total of 140 kW of supply required (if they all charged their cars at the same time) or if they wanted fast chargers @ 40 kW then that’s and additional 800 + kilowatts of power the building has to supply to keep those EV people happy, not many buildings from what I have seen have enough additional supply from the street to handle this, just a small 800 kW of supply and this is just one building. These people are frickin dreaming.
If you are charging for long periods of time you really don't need 7kw each though. A 240v 16A charger will be 3.8kw which would charge probably 15 miles an hour or 150 miles over a 10 hour night. That's more than enough for the vast majority of people and you can just swing by a fast charger before you head home if you really need to be full the next day. There are a few split current chargers that communicate with each other so that if one person is charging that person will get the max the circuit will offer, but if 4 people are then each gets a quarter which will ensure the maximum use of available circuits and energy.
@@Snerdles umm David I’m an electrician, have you ever heard of a maximum demand calculation? One is done for every electrical installation, because the chargers could be charging all at the same time ( and most probably will,evening ) the installation has to be able to deliver the required energy when demanded even if it’s only for 2 minutes , that requires the infrastructure to be installed to meet demand as it occurs , just think the submains running to your abode are sized either 3p 100a , or 80-100a 1p supplied with 16mmsq cable loads like ac units 3p outlets, vehicle chargers and even the humble 15a 240VAC outlet are ALWAYS calculated at 100% of connected load.. it’s going to be unworkable to provide units/ apartments especially ,with even just one ev charger . That fast charger that you drop by on the way home uses an incredible amount of energy and as more evs are sold there may be little bit of a line for the chargers with a little more than 10min required if you are using the vehicle battery to power household items and transport.Regardless of where the vehicle is charged everyone will have an specific energy requirement which combined will outstrip supply without even thinking about the infrastructure that will have to constructed . ICE vehicles only need to carry approx 10 % of fuel they require ( the other 90% , oxygen isn’t required to be carried ) whereas an ev needs to carry all of its energy requirements on board. Maybe if we all drove less , consumed less , reused things , and fixed items when not economic to do so .. we wouldn’t need technology to save us .. changing personal transportation to electric is going to be the same or worse that what we currently have Besides personal transport only equates to 9% of total co2 produced . That’s an incredible amount of manufacturing and infrastructure to help with that 9% , especially when you consider manufacturing, mining contributes close to 50% of total co2 produced , and aren’t these the same industries that are going to manufacture EVs and associated infrastructure to help us cut that 9% down ? Food for thought
@@Snerdles Very simple David , if we install a vehicle charger , no matter WHAT the chargers do we have to rate the install at 100% of connected load ..
@@mitchpender8113 I don't think you understand. I'm talking about putting multiple chargers on in circuit whose overall capacity is greater than the circuit but the communicate so that at no point will all of them together exceed the capacity. These already exist and can allow many cars to charge slowly and as each car is finished the remaining cars will start charging faster.
yah, thinking of it, trickle discharge might damage the pack, perhaps having them pulse would help, some bulk purchasers have apps that allow control over when the vehicle discharges to grid, controlled by the owner. bob lewellyn has such a thing he's big on. if the grid could signal some way for the packs to discharge it'd do the job, a way for the grid to know when it's available, so it's operated in handshake mode, then it'd bulk discharge instead of trickling.
I would agree generally but as a backup solution for our unreliable centralised grid it's a very nice to have type situation. Though the situation depending
Wouldn't having a petrol generator be cheaper and do a better job in a black out then to pay 50 to 140 grand for a shit box EV? Remember most of Australia's power production is by burning coal So your recharging you EV with fossil fuels, so how clean is your EV really ? Or is it's it OK when the pollution is made somewhere else out of sight out of mind?
@@waynehewett4017 the idea is to get away from fossil fuels. Best to use solar and batteries that are optimised for home use. Small generators are expensive but do offer good backup when you need it for solar systems.
@@waynehewett4017 lots of people that get electric cars also put up solar panels, there's also lots of places where coal is a large part, but not the largest part of the energy production. either way, for many, nimby's for instance, they're happy to have the pollution elsewhere, however, it's easier to control pollution and gain efficiency in a HUGE power plant than an eeny teeny one, so it's not as bad as simply moving the filth around. using coal to charge batteries is a stopgap on the road to clean, it's cleaner than a gas car, even if it's not lily white. aside from that, 50 to 140 grand? where you live that electric cars cost that much? dang... move, you ain't sensible to live there.
Just another of the 'options' having an EV provides. Providing flexibility and adaptability to changing energy generation, storage and distribution is an area often overlooked when discussing the many personal and community benefits of the transition to EV's, so well done for highlighting.
Dedicated home batteries probably make more sense if you want to run it regularly. I’d suggest LTO batteries which will do 20K cycles and still have over 90% capacity.
Electricians are busy in the Dandenong Ranges near Melbourne where storms cut power for months recently, installing isolation switches which allow homes to be powered from generators. May be a good idea for Ioniq 5 owners who have 3.5kw V2L available.
transfer switch. Houses already have isolation switches. You can get by on 3.5kW but you do have to think about things. Electric oven is a problem, electric hot water is a non starter(even many of the heat pump ones). Damn depending on exactly which ones you have, running the kettle and the toaster at the same time might be a no no.
@@stusue9733 The fridge and a few lights is a big improvement on nothing pull out the barby and do your cooking and heat some water just pretend you are camping in your house with a 10 amp extension cord pretty luxurious with a full HWS running water fridge and lights and a 60'' tv
@@suncitybooksgeraldton335 Certainly is, that's why I have one(transfer switch that is). Its just that many people seem to think VTL is the end of their problems.
Surely if you actually run your house off your EV car then you are "using up" recharge cycles of the car battery and therefore decreasing the overall life cycle of the battery?
Good day to all, Although it's no currently the best solution using VTL I'm doing just that. My inverter will auto disconnect from the grid if the grid drops below a set voltage, not that I need this as I'm not connected to the grid. I life of solar with a home battery and have an EV with VTL. In summertime I can charge the EV from my solar then in Winter I can use public charges to charge the EV, then when there's not enough solar available I plug the EV into my inverter which then helps top up the system when there is not enough sun around which means I no longer need to run my very nosey diesel generator. Although public charging an EV is not the cheapest option it work outs cheaper for me than running the diesel genny so a nice little bonus. It does look like VTH and VTG systems might come along in the next 5 years or so, I have seen already some inverters with VTH but I don't know of any cars that support this natively at the moment. I personally don't have any very high current drawing appliances in my home, the inverter can supply 5kw which is much more then I ever need at the most I might pull 3.5 kw for very short periods, so using the VTL is perfect as my house batteries pick up the bulk of any load with my EV just topping up when needed. I have to recharge the EV once a week as it runs my home for about that length of time including obviously driving the car when needed. Obviously this setup will not suit a lot of people but it is working great for me and I am looking into maybe adding some more solar so I will be able to charge the EV later in the year and not have to use the EV as a backup so soon, just a case of weighing up benefit over the extra cost as this is the first year I've had the EV with the VTL to try it out and see how it goes. Love your channel John many thanks for all your time and effort you must have to put in to get it together much appreciated.
@@jeffp3999 John seems to have a pretty good grasp of the fundamentals of electrical theory to me, but I've only worked in the industry for decades, so what would I know.
@@davidwild66 You been doing much installing solar multi-mode inverters connected to auto-transfer switches connected to the backed up power boards that you can connect the bidirectional charging V2G onto?
My partner has a small coffee trailer and have been wondering about this. However it uses a 15amp plug. Have been casually researching the outlander or eclipse cross PHEV for this reason due to its towing capacity and range anxiety issues towing. Will be interested to see how it all goes.
What's your opinion of the Micro Lino? Personally I think it's a bit small and the front opening door is a bit of a turn off. I do like that at least some manufacturers are designing and building economical shopping or city worker style vehicles. I've always wondered how Tesla owners can stand on their soap box bleating about their virtuous vehicle, and then quote the ridiculous speed at which they can discharge their batteries with rapid acceleration of the same vehicle.
"and then quote the ridiculous speed at which they can discharge their batteries" And at the same time ignoring how filthy in carbon terms electricity generation is in Australia
Considering the price of a Micro Lino.... You could buy a decent classic BMW Isetta... The classic car has a better range and can be refilled in minutes.
John, most cars like the MG4 or Atto3 only have a 220V AC V2L capability. This doesn't connect with the supply as it can't sync the single phase connection.... but.... what if we converted that 220VAC output to DC, connected that to the DC input of a grid tied solar inverter? The inverter does the phase syncing with the street and supplies the whole house with power, backed up by the grid if more power is required.??? Thoughts???
We need smart software to regulate the cost of Peak v off peak rates. with good software management this new way to use storage power would be good. Would be best if we could have DC supply to our homes for better efficiency (no inverters needed)
Many years ago before solar power cannot say wind turbines as the first one I saw was near where I went to school ,how long it was there in before 1952 I don’t know it was a Southern Cross windmill with a generator and 12 volt la batteries gave them lights in there home and milking sheds ,etc . A step backwards ,a friend of mine had fitted into his power board a reverse point which could only be accessed when the Main power switch was turned off allowing to plug his diesel welder into when grid went down .Old jc
Dear John, surely one of the biggest arguments against using your cars battery for household usage is that you'll simply wear it out orders of magnitude faster than your daily commute would. Given the replacement cost is a significant portion of the price of the whole car then.. it seems insane to try and save a couple of dollars of electricity while massively reducing functional lifespan of your rully expensive EV?
While I have the same question regarding if it is such a good idea(other than for some backup power now and again), I think "orders of magnitude" is a huge step. It's a pretty light load so maybe insignificant.
Hi, politicians that are ex lawyers? What makes you think that they would have to be that well educated? To the best of my knowledge there is no requirement in our regulations that states that there is any educational qualification requirement for politicians. In our local ward the person voted as our representative failed his GCE but does have the gift of sounding convincing in his most sincere and humble opinions. He lasted long enough in Parliament to get his Government Pension and now has found a cushy job in local council politics! People get the representation they deserve. Cheers mate. Harera.
Ahhm, the Tesla team are well aware of the limitations of lithium batteries....given their obvious expertise. They are working on improving energy density through battery pack geometry & optimising fabrication, both via their own teams & partners such as Panasonic & BYD & CATL. BTW the semi is coming out in December. Very happy with our Bluetti ac200p!
Ford's battery in the F150, while grossly too small to tow anything (Unless you like filling the battery every 80 miles (roughly every 125 KM) .With options and so on... a RATHER expensive battery that runs way up to $100k US.... The good part: There are nice 48 V 100 to 200 AH battery packs that can REALLY run your house with an inverter. (Inverter is something like $3k US to 4-6k$) -- and does a switch over to battery about all the time... Another 10kv of solar panels would keep the EV charged as well. LIFEPO4 batteries should last about 10 years....And *in theory* the folk at Harvard have a new solid state coming in a couple of years. Buying a EV just to get the battery is a total waste of money.....
People with solar are already doing this, they pay full price for grid power and sell back excess cheap ha ha, some are saying if you want to go off camping with electricity take an EV if you want to get back home again take an ICE.
Thanks, I have a V2L vehicle and just waiting for someone to invent a dual charger/discharger, or some other black box that will allow me to connect the car to the house, it will happen. Meanwhile in Winter, my garage has a freezer,fridge, and tumble drier and an extension lead can power these.
Use a hybrid inverter and plug as if it were a generator or use it to charge the house battery via a battery charger. There are ways now you can do this safely and legally. Just for charging you will need to swap cables.
Tesla Semi deliveries start 1 Dec 2023 to Pepsi. E.M tweet. Pepsi already have some Tesla semis so some of those deliveries might just be a signature on a transfer document. But they will be producing them either in Nevada on a protoptype production line and or in Texas. Small numbers at first maybe 5 or 10 a week to start. The range is said to be 500 miles or 800 km. The battery would be about 900 kWh. An end to years of b^ll sh^t.
V2L just adds another marketing arrow to the quiver of reasons to own an EV. A pretty handy one I would definitely be looking for in a new EV. I wouldnt be trading in my old one just to get this one new feature. The other drawback is then how much cycling of the battery is not mileage related a bit like running a car engine for power take off work which is not reflected in the mileage. I'm sure manufacturers would have some hidden logging of charge /discharge cycles in there somewhere. The new Ioniq6 has a max output of 3.6kVA which is the equivalent of a 15 amp socket at 240v and a power factor of 1 while the Ioniq 5 is listed as 3.6 kW. Handy in an outage or out somewhere but not enough to run a house. We certainly don't want to have people making up frankenstein double male plug extension cords like America with the potential to energise the grid when used by saps with no idea. Have a look at the excellent channel "Just Rolled In" to see how smart some people are with cars and then think how smart they would be with 'Lecktrickery. Some don't even understand Carbon Monoxide or reading labels!
@@stusue9733 old John hasn't much of a clue what he's on about, multimodal inverters get linked to transfer switches that switch over supply from grid to off grid. It's all in hand with V2G, which can power the house paralleled across the supply like a solar inverter is or transfer over to supply off grid.
@@stusue9733 easy Auto-transfer switches are easy coupled to multimode solar inverters, bi-directional car supply is connected on the standalone power circuit board that stays on when the grid goes down, so the car battery can supply or take power from the house when the grid is on or supply the house when the grid goes down even supply power along with another house battery.
If it supplies power to the house wiring, how is that isolated from the grid! He’s done well to mention the regulatory component, because there will be extra costs to setup legally.
Why is it that when talking about "green" energy supplies, only wind and solar are ever mentioned? There is more energy in flowing water in rivers and rising and falling tides than in wind and solar. There are lots of installtions that generate power this way but they never seem to be mentioned.
@@TheRealBobSmith. No, countires that have Hydro power also have cheap electricity so it is fact not a dream. The initial costs may be high, but the running costs are low.
@@odinnln5694 Tasmania was 100% hydro, with the most expensive power in australia, but now it’s wind and hydro, and still the highest cost power in the counrty
Because for the most part many of the people that like wind and solar dislike dams. Very few installations powered by tides that I am aware of. Seen plenty of "great idea" but most things we put in the sea have a habit of breaking.
So if I get an EV in todays market it will definitely be LFP battery powered and it would most likely be BYD, and this is purely at a battery & drive train point of thinking and Im not interested in anyone else's opinion on that. The above package should have 3000 charge cycles before possible degredation should be noticed which is enough for the lifespan of an EV and the Idea that a power company can reduce that lifespan, adding and removing power at their leasure is a solid GGF.
If people have no garage, how do they plug their EV into the house? The long lead could have current drop. Also, the issue of wiring/leads in the rain, trip hazards etc... The rated wiring to the garage ack to the meter box is 15A? that's the max power the house could use via that route. Unless the EV can be plugged into the meter box (supply to house) there is only low current 15A draw that could e used. It's not going to run more than a few basics. Unlikely to be both boiling a kettle and A/C and washing machine at the same time.
You can run everything for days... Just don't heat and cool big things with electricity. Air-conditioning, heating whole house and heating water for shower... Washing machine, laundry dryer and electric stove are next in line... Refrigerator is like 50w Light is loke 5-20w TV is 40-100w (my 43 inch LCD is 40w) Basically you can chill food and have lights and TV for days
"Failed lawyer arseholes" sums up most of the problems in Australia really lol. If the chinese MG can manage it I"m sure all the other manufacturers could too!
I would want a large battery pack or the house frankly. Here is the ideal in my opinion: solar into a large pack during the day, problem is that you are not at home you are at work during the day bit of a problem. So trickling that power into your storage pack at home for the day then using a dc to dc dump that power into your cars battery when you get home at say 50-100kw would be a solid solution. Then in emergencies where you run out of power using the ev as a feedback.... I mean it would take a seriously bad situation for you to not have enough juice if your using a system like this but it's free redundancy so it's nice to have.
@@stusue9733 yes. DC fast chargers can do up to 350Kw. If you are going to set up a system from DC storage to DC storage you would not want to convert to AC and back between them in the middle it's just a waste. And given you are using a different charge circuit you can set it up for a reasonable fast charge. If course doing a 350kw fast charge would require cooled cables and would need entirely unnecessary levels of complexity and cost. 50kw is probably plenty. 25KW Would be fine too frankly.
Hmmmm. Probably the same kind that can charge at 100kw at a time and deliver that to the wheels of a car. Though there would need to be some rejigging of the standard household pack. Difficult solutions to think about. You would need the ability to run a serious DC voltage out of the pack. You would need 21+ DC cells (edit: cell packs sorry, they will be in clusters like in a car) at 24V in series to deliver the power output needed for a DC fast charge. That means the either the solar array needs to be able to deliver 480+V or there needs to be an AC transformer switch in there anyway or there needs to be some crazy arse switching system to allow it to charge in parallel and discharge in series. Needs work. Needs development. But would be an ideal I think.
@@stusue9733 but the batteries themselves are not the issue here. Tesla already delivers lithium ion home batteries. You could also use sodium ion or even capacitors. It's the infrastructure required to meet both AC and DC delivery concurrently at different voltages that throws a spanner in the works. I don't think that is insurmountable. And obviously it only needs to be large enough to accommodate what your system can suck up in 8-9 hours from the sun. You won't get a full charge off it in one day.
This has to be a total no-brainer. An EV is a huge battery on wheels that ought to be available for more than just driving from A to B. The problems are purely technical and administrative and solvable. 2.5kwh is not a lot, but many EVs have storage capacities twenty times greater than that.
Apparently the Tesla semi has started production and Pepsi have confirmed that they will be receiving their first semi at two facilities on Dec 1 2022.
But not everyone has cheap and reliable power! Not much fun having to replace all your frozen or chilled food everytime you have an extended power failure. Of course a better value would just have a backup generator than an EV. V2L is great if you go camping or anywhere there is no access to power. However if this is your first EV then get one with V2L as they are no more expensive than EV without that feature or in the Chinese EV much cheaper...
Good timing on this video. I happened to stumble upon your frienemy, the "other" expert. Who did a long form review of the BYD Atto 3. What an absolute joke for $50,000 of your hard earned Australian doll hairs. Iso fix points broken from the factory, a frankly scary amount of torque steer and none of the bells and whistles you would expect. So your "mate" tells us this represents good value.. WTAF... dude
Can't find a legal way of using my V2L in the uk. Regs won't allow a transfer panel as they have shown in the United States videos. Any recommendations on how to get all that lovely AC into my house. Obviously i can run odd bits off an extension but i wanted something more solid
Are you sure about that? A quick google disagrees. Yes things will be done a little different to how they are done in the states because of the panels they use. Maybe you have a special circumstance.
@@stusue9733 found a way to do it that's legal. If i get battery home storage i can put a transfer switch in the circuit and feed the home battery from the cars V2L
A 50/100 year old house wiring wouldn't support Solar panel's in the first place. As a house to have a solar system on the roof the house wiring needs to be reasonably up to date.
Johno - Think I see a Mudmaster on your wrist, gwg-1000? Good choice! Question - How does the "everyone moves to an EV" equation change with new technologies like graphene batteries?
Hey John! Just realized now that your intro's sound _rully rully_ sounds like a car engine starting and revving up. Being this the Auto Expert dot A. You. channel, I don't think that's a coincidence. Well thought of, John! Cheers from Upsidedownistan Portugal where Gravity is, go figure, still Gravity!
Firstly if you have your EV car running your house during the day then you probably don’t need a vehicle in the first place. Secondly why not just buy a battery pack for a fraction of the cost to store and reuse energy and save on the cost of a useless EV. Really if the sale pitch is buy a $60k EV to run your house of a day to save money it just don’t make sense.
What's he on about? Auto-transfer switches are already coupled to multimode solar inverters, the bi-directional car supply is/can be connected on the standalone side.
You say you can charge your Bluetti during the the day using Solar. Well can you suggest how to make sure you are only consuming the power your home solar panels are making? A solar switch perhaps? Does that even exist? Suns out, Powers On! Heavy shade, 😅Powers Off! That way you could guarantee you are not consuming grid power.
Need a 50A 240V plug options to power my house, enough to run the central AC unit. Also range extender gas generator so I don't kill my fucking battery.
I know this an old video but power to grid was all sorted years ago. Doesnt really matter if its panels, battery, vechicle. Only time its hard is if you have panels but no batteries to soak up the excess. Crude as it is resistive elements can take care of that if they aren't full of gum tree droppings
This all sounds amazing, if you are already wealthy. EV, solar panels, Tesla batteries in the carport. Pity the poor family guy who is battling to pay his western suburb mortgage, his energy bills, and filling his 10yo ICE car every week.
Hi John, have you seen TH-cam videos on nuclear diamond battery? I would be interested to hear your opinion on these and whether they have a future or if they are pie in the sky as well. Love your videos Jay
Hi John, you are fright about politicians, but you left one group out, especially when it comes to Labor ones. Politicians are usually either failed lawyers/accountants (Gillard, Garrett, Mikakos, etc.) or the have arts degrees mastering in politics, which is a BS degree mastering in BS) (Dan Andrews, Martin Foley, among others). For those simpletons who don't know what BS means, its BullShit or in other words Foul Smelling Lies, of which Dan Andrews in Victoria is a supreme master of.
@@TheKnobCalledTone. very true about marketing degrees which is another BS degree. I know there are, but the most idiotic ones seem to congregate in the Labor Party. No politicians are any good, they all lie and only care about themselves.
Make sure that if you have a solar array, you isolate it before using you EV to power up your house, otherwise the panels will think that the grid power has been restored and turn on....OOOPS..
Running your house (or anything else) from on your EV car battery is a costly plan, you'll be replacing your EV battery alot sooner because you only get a finite number of recharge cycles from these batteries. At around 20,000 for a new EV battery there's nothing to be gained or saved here.
I think 30k cycles with 80% drop is fantasy. Mobile phones which should have the best battery technology still have about 800 cycles with about 80% drop
@@AutoExpertJC I relistened to it you did say 3.5k. my mistake. Still 3.5k for drop seems excessive seeing they can't get mobile phone battery performance like that
@@diceman999 Mobil phone batteries are all about being small and having long standby/talk time(though I'm sure they call it something else these days). That's one of the trade-offs the manufacture can make. People don't seem to care that their batteries don't last years, gives them an excuse to buy a new phone. Sure they'll say they don't want to, but they will still buy the latest phone.
I think the vast majority of people should wait for more vehicles and chargers to do a true V2H system before moving to EV. If you split you home panels in to a critical loads and general switch box and then have your EV plugged in and charged then in an outage your critical loads continue working. Most people will replace a vehicle in the next 5 - 8 years and more and more vehicles will support those features over that time so anyone that is interested in resiliency for their home can start planning now. If you were going to spend 20k on a battery backup you may as well spend 40k and also get a vehicle out of it... plus a vehicle is much easier to finance. V2L I find way less useful. Sure you can run an extension cord to run your fridge and freezer in a grid down... but true V2H is what people should hold out for. Automatic transfer and less need to pay attention after the original planning make it nice and easy going forward.
I thought that the idea was to charge the car over the night and drive the stupid thing in the day. Is this Elbows genius idea from the election? We have 24 solar panels and a proper battery set that works just sweet at a cost of about $24000.00, a lot cheaper than an electric car. The car is a hybrid and it’s sweet too.
All the concerns have been addressed… when dealing with GENERATORS. The main difference here is that we’re swapping out a gas generator with an EV. There mayyyy be capacity differences between what a gas generator can do vs an EV but they both supply power. There are generator panels that allow for the safe transfer of power sources. They will work with your EV as well. Home Depot appears to have gas generators from 800 watts up to 4,000. You have to ask yourself if your EV’s max output (in America likely 1,300 watts) can power everything you need.
You think the EV can only put out 1300 watts? Mine does 9,600 Watts. Enough for multiple homes. How do you think one charges an EV using a second EV.? 1300 watts would be impractical.
@@legonut78 I just threw out a number. My Ioniq 6 in theory can do 3600 watts. But none of this is tested by me. I do recall the video making it seem like EV's as whole home backups were presenting whole new questions and problems but they aren't.
Living in Denmark I always do conversions on what you say. You are very clear in pointing out that your numbers are based on the Australian mix of things (coal power, and lacking power charging for long distances).
Here with wind being a much bigger part of our grid, we have that small advantage. We just recently made as much biogas as we used to get from Russia. It's all moving medium quickly.
Even my tech hesitant wife started talking solar. I got a little up to speed on bluetti, and narrowed down to the ac200 as a backup,, but even then, power never goes off here and the talk of 2 hour rotating brown outs this winter is no need to build a whole house system to cover us. Heck our battery devices like phones and computers can survive that time. So even the bluetti is on the back burner.
By the way, I didn't get an electric car to replace our old gas car. I got a ten year old diesel Qashqai with double the gas efficiency and paid very little for it and can wait another 5 years to go ev, but I follow all ev news to keep alert to the time to go that route. Your insights are definitely a part of the mix of knowledge I have in all of this and I appreciate it. Thanks from up over here. It would be nice to visit shitsville someday.
We’d be glad to have you mate
Expect to go back 200 years when you do visit, it will be an experience for you.
We aint called shitsville for nuttin!
You spelt 💵 🐮Cash Cow (qashqai) incorrectly
@@leosheppard8517 I've heard that before. LoL. Of course since I didn't pay new price. I paid way under half what the cheapest ev costs, here, or ten times less than what a friend paid for their Tesla. So I'll keep that cash with my cash cow.
What with what's going on in Russia i wouldn't rely on them for anything ATM
and here I am in the UK.
My house was built in the early 1700's
Upgrading the wiring is not a job for the faint hearted.
The fun part of powering your home from the EV is....
It already has a fairly dismal range and now its going to be even shorter because you have been running your house off it.
Have you done the maths on that?
@@stusue9733 nope cause he’s wrong. EV with terrible range are still orders of magnitude more powerful than the average home uses, much less just essential systems. My EV puts out 230kW which is about 200x more than the average home consumption of 1.2kW. Terrible range EV have like a 20kW battery which should power essential systems for days or more before needing a charge.
Biggest problem to v2L and V2G nirvana is most people use their cars during day going to < -> from work or out shopping, dropping kids to school, etc etc when the sun is shining. At night it's home needing to charge from a battery *not* charging a home... That's because home is where you need to charge because there aren't any chargers out on the streets anywhere...
In utopia we could buy our fancy EV and have our house fully off-grid at night, but then how to do you charge the EV to drive the next day? Especially if you want to tow a big fat trailer which reduces driving range by 75+ percent instantly...
Precisely what I've always said! This whole greenie wet dream is predicated on them eating their cake and having it, too.
"I'll buy an EV, and have solar and/or wind at my home to charge it with. Then, to help stabilize the grid that we want running off solar and wind, as well as my home, my EV plugged in and connected with V2G and/or V2L can fill in the gaps!"
Apparently, it never even occurred to them that in order to have charge for driving the next day, the EV actually has to TAKE a charge from grid or home, not GIVE.
"I can use my electricity and have it, too! 🤪"
Most people have 2 cars and if both have v2l commuting shouldn't be an issue. E. G. I need to supplement my small house batteries in the UK winter when we haven't had enough sun to charge them fully. The v2l can keep us from using the high grid day rates until we can charge on cheap night rates and avoids need to buy huge house batteries.
@@aldozilli1293this as has been said is utopian fiction. Sure the EVs are all capable of this - we get it but where is the legislation to allow it and where are the cars at home to charge up on all this stored energy? Answer. They aren’t there! They are out on the road at work when the sun is shining!
@@wapphigh5250 well it works perfectly for me so perhaps not so utopian. Many people work from home nowadays like me so have cars on drive. Car is an Ioniq 5. Use a hybrid inverter. Car discharges up to 3.6kw, enough for most needs, on top of house battery discharge of up to 5.8kw. Get electrician to enable with contact or switch for off grid, or connect directly to house battery via battery charger. Charge up house battery and car on cheap night rates. Nothing against regulations with that set up. V2G may be handy but not ready yet and I'm more interested in accessing capacity of the huge battery sitting on the drive instead of spending loads on huge house batteries.
I've been somewhat critical in the past but this is an extremely informative and useful video, thanks John.
Some of the cars are 5kW (Rivian) and the Ford Lightning is 7kW, so they are OK for this and they have the ability to connect through there charge controllers.
we live in a 60-70 year old home and we have Solar and Battery with full blackout protection.
The house does not need to be re-wired as the power feed in from the batteries goes through the fuse box with the grid feed disconnected.
Now as a 60+ year old home we do not have a huge load, we only have a 50A line feed in fuse, so maximum load is 12kW though battery is less than 10kW.
But from the battery we can live with lights and fridges turned on, we may have to use the open fire, but maybe not.
I would suggest waiting - We are still in early stages of the EV industry, in another few years we should know a fair bit more, maybe 2030 would be a good time.
Saying that we have negative electricity bills now with our solar and battery. (Don't have an EV yet)
There won't be any odometers or trip meters in these cars soon, the manufacturers will need to put hour meters in to calculate warranty!
That's how you know when an electric reach forklift (and gas for that matter) is due for a service or its current market value. How many hours use since the last service (or time passed if rarely used). We get 5-7 years out of a forklift battery used approx 20 hours a week. They cost 7k to replace which is about 10% of the cost of a new forklift.
You think they don’t? I used to sell and service Makita, if you have the diagnostic charger it will tell you the history of the battery ie how many charges, to what level and that’s just a $100 battery on a power tool!
No different to trucks really that aren't going up the Hume all day but run around a major city, they do a lot more hours than they do kms to be due for servicing.
There will be a subsystem that looks at charge / discharge cycles
I have an 8 kw genset thats hooked into the house/ garage that is setup with a mains load switch, it fires up the genset when it detects a drop from the incoming supply and shut down when the power comes back on its set like a non return valve so there is no return to the main supply
Your underlying points are always informative, but how you deliver the message is even better. Keep them coming John 😂
Yes you can. My EV battery is capable of putting out a quarter megawatt, two hundred times the average home power consumption. It eve came with a vehicle to load inverter that can source 16A continuously. We had a multi day power outage and it powered all three of my refrigerators, some lights, phone chargers and internet, and could do so for over a week before needing to be recharged. I’m installing a bypass so it can also power my furnace as well, it’s a game changer like having a massive generator for free.
John,
As usual very nice, well grounded analysis based on actual facts and from someone with engineering background rather than a millennial TH-camr living in an altered reality where knowledge about physics does not matter. Over the years, I have learned a lot from your videos. I would love to hear you doing an honest video that cuts through the B.S. about solid state battery.
Given my actual consumption is barely above 800W at night and maybe 1500W in summer, I'm thinking
MG4 ---> Solar MPPT (charges my small house battery) ---> House load (can supplement the ~2kW from the car with the house battery if the load goes over)
Additionally the battery life of eV packs is much better than with the original leaf due to the fact that they are maintained at constant temps during charge and discharge
john your are a hundred percent correct on what you have said about EV powering your home. especially the bit about an isolation switch to disconnect home power from street supplied , I was to install an isolation switch in my metre box so I can plugin my 36kv generator to power the house in a power outage.cost between 500$ & 1500$ . so instead I use caravan power in socket .to which I can connect power board and extension leads in my house and plugin what I need to run fridge chest freezer. gas stove for cooking PS also plugin a few lamps for lighting.
I'm not and electrical engineer, but the solar systems are sold that basically function - Sun to solar panel - panel to invertor - invertor to grid OR battery. The battery (potentially car) then feeds back into intvertor when the home is drawing more than the solar panels can supply so I'm not sure why you need 'special' wiring beyond that the comes with the invertor.
I'd also be interested if a new EV's warranty could be voided if the battery is cycled too many time. A bit the the grey area of the fair use clause.
The reason why Nissan LEAF uses the chademo connecter is due to Japanese law that goes along the lines of all BEV cars (not sure if the law covers hydrogen fuel cells cars) have to be able to power your house when a natural disaster takes the grid down - Japanese fuse boards have a socket in them (could be a daughterboard) where the chademo connecter just plug in to then power the house.
The other way you can run with an EV without a chademo connecter is like the F150 lighting (almost the same setup as what the Japanese law prescribes) or via a vehicle to load via a CCS connection...
but the other way is via an inventor clamped upon the 12v battery system and you needs some maths and extension leads
100%. I have a Japanese PHEV with a Chademo that theoretically can do this too..has a huge battery (range is 50km on EV only) but the regulations have forced Mitsubishi to only allow charging from the 10amp cigarette socket. I can barely power a couple light bulbs!!!! Go figure
EVERYTHING electric in a house can definitely be powered by a Prius + inverter, and for an extended period. Sure, it is not _renewable energy,_ but it's great for power outages. Much more efficient than normal portable gensets, too.
Any feeding of power back into any power system requires either full grid synchronisation if the grid power connection is to remain 'live' or a way to auto-isolate it meaning the house power system while running off any sort of inverter is NOT synced to the grid. Then when grid power comes back you still have to re-synchronise with the grid or things will potentially go very very bad! Also during a blackout there is NO grid syncing at the 240 VAC level since part of the grid is off line, but the generators unless they have a full power station shutdown are always grid-sychronised and it's absolutely vital with an AC power system
The nissa leaf will do 3.3kw feedback
5:47 Electrical workers work on energised systems all the time and a competent electrical worker always assumes the system is energised.
Nature efficiently eliminates bad electrical workers.
Given charging above 90% takes much extra time or below 10% shortens battery life the charge is 80% useful. Now degrade another 20% over time leaves a very compromised vehicle.
So, the Outlanders Hybrids for example, can run in generator mode whilst parked. It doesn't care why the big battery is 'flat' but it wants to refill it.
V2L/H what ever, is awesome in this scenario because the 'generator' is bolted to the engine, and runs when it wants. While powering a small home appliances.
So called ranged anxiety gone, that it can clutch in whilst actually driving is a bonus, and it can power a house, or be charged by it.
Sales pitch over.
Was watching some yootoob videos from a guy stuck in the Florida hurricane. He was close to running out of petrol for his genset, so hooked up his massive, dual wheeled, mega-liter diesel "truck" to some inverters and ran the important stuff (a fridge, some LED's etc), as he had an auxiliary tank, he had enough fuel for these essentials for at least a week. So successful that he's now going to add an auxiliary alternator running on clutched "overdrive" pulleys for future emergencies.
So your idea of a hybrid with "charging mode" being used as both a conveyance and a power source in emergencies is practical, and worth looking at.
Although reports suggest Bidirectional chargers will cost about $10k, if you have a brother with a electrical lenience it is possible to set up V2L for $3k or a bit less. My second hand Leaf which I pick up cheep because of it's notorious battery issue. The battery hasn't deteriorated further and can still do short runs around town and is sufficient to run a few lights and the TV at night but can't run the AC. Most days we can charge the Leafs battery from 25% to about 80% from the solar during the day which is enough to run the house at night and do two trips to drop the kids off and pick them up from school. The set up has saved us about $5k a year in fuel and power. I am thinking about striping the battery out of the leaf and mounting it permanently in the shed as well a installing more solar and getting a new EV. Despite this I can't justify the expense as yet and don't want to piss my brother off further as he will have to do the rewiring. Note we still have a diesel 4x4 to take on long trips as EV infrastructure has a long way to go in Australia to justify replacing it with EV, maybe in 5 years. John grate show respect you work.
@Pete with the savings I will be able to do it sooner. Hope I have opened your eyes to the possibilities so you can investigate if Solar and EV suits your situation. 🤑
Just had an electrician ask me (I am in building control systems business) can we connect to electrical meters in a multi-storey building that are being installed for EV charges. I asked the question, how many are you thinking of installing ? It turns out that you have a multi-storey apartment complex with say 300 occupants. Now out of that 300 dudes is 20 occupants ATM that may have EVs. Now if you wanted to install enough EV chargers for those 20 occupants at 7 kW supply for each would be a total of 140 kW of supply required (if they all charged their cars at the same time) or if they wanted fast chargers @ 40 kW then that’s and additional 800 + kilowatts of power the building has to supply to keep those EV people happy, not many buildings from what I have seen have enough additional supply from the street to handle this, just a small 800 kW of supply and this is just one building. These people are frickin dreaming.
If you are charging for long periods of time you really don't need 7kw each though. A 240v 16A charger will be 3.8kw which would charge probably 15 miles an hour or 150 miles over a 10 hour night. That's more than enough for the vast majority of people and you can just swing by a fast charger before you head home if you really need to be full the next day.
There are a few split current chargers that communicate with each other so that if one person is charging that person will get the max the circuit will offer, but if 4 people are then each gets a quarter which will ensure the maximum use of available circuits and energy.
@@Snerdles umm David I’m an electrician, have you ever heard of a maximum demand calculation? One is done for every electrical installation, because the chargers could be charging all at the same time ( and most probably will,evening ) the installation has to be able to deliver the required energy when demanded even if it’s only for 2 minutes , that requires the infrastructure to be installed to meet demand as it occurs , just think the submains running to your abode are sized either 3p 100a , or 80-100a 1p supplied with 16mmsq cable loads like ac units 3p outlets, vehicle chargers and even the humble 15a 240VAC outlet are ALWAYS calculated at 100% of connected load.. it’s going to be unworkable to provide units/ apartments especially ,with even just one ev charger . That fast charger that you drop by on the way home uses an incredible amount of energy and as more evs are sold there may be little bit of a line for the chargers with a little more than 10min required if you are using the vehicle battery to power household items and transport.Regardless of where the vehicle is charged everyone will have an specific energy requirement which combined will outstrip supply without even thinking about the infrastructure that will have to constructed . ICE vehicles only need to carry approx 10 % of fuel they require ( the other 90% , oxygen isn’t required to be carried ) whereas an ev needs to carry all of its energy requirements on board. Maybe if we all drove less , consumed less , reused things , and fixed items when not economic to do so .. we wouldn’t need technology to save us .. changing personal transportation to electric is going to be the same or worse that what we currently have Besides personal transport only equates to 9% of total co2 produced . That’s an incredible amount of manufacturing and infrastructure to help with that 9% , especially when you consider manufacturing, mining contributes close to 50% of total co2 produced , and aren’t these the same industries that are going to manufacture EVs and associated infrastructure to help us cut that 9% down ? Food for thought
@@mitchpender8113 What does any of that have to do with chargers communicating to limit current at each end point?
@@Snerdles Very simple David , if we install a vehicle charger , no matter WHAT the chargers do we have to rate the install at 100% of connected load ..
@@mitchpender8113 I don't think you understand. I'm talking about putting multiple chargers on in circuit whose overall capacity is greater than the circuit but the communicate so that at no point will all of them together exceed the capacity. These already exist and can allow many cars to charge slowly and as each car is finished the remaining cars will start charging faster.
I'm still not convinced using a expensive EV battery optimized for use in an EV(shocking!) to backfeed the grid is such a great idea.
yah, thinking of it, trickle discharge might damage the pack, perhaps having them pulse would help, some bulk purchasers have apps that allow control over when the vehicle discharges to grid, controlled by the owner. bob lewellyn has such a thing he's big on. if the grid could signal some way for the packs to discharge it'd do the job, a way for the grid to know when it's available, so it's operated in handshake mode, then it'd bulk discharge instead of trickling.
I would agree generally but as a backup solution for our unreliable centralised grid it's a very nice to have type situation. Though the situation depending
Wouldn't having a petrol generator be cheaper and do a better job in a black out then to pay 50 to 140 grand for a shit box EV?
Remember most of Australia's power production is by burning coal
So your recharging you EV with fossil fuels, so how clean is your EV really ?
Or is it's it OK when the pollution is made somewhere else out of sight out of mind?
@@waynehewett4017 the idea is to get away from fossil fuels. Best to use solar and batteries that are optimised for home use. Small generators are expensive but do offer good backup when you need it for solar systems.
@@waynehewett4017 lots of people that get electric cars also put up solar panels, there's also lots of places where coal is a large part, but not the largest part of the energy production. either way, for many, nimby's for instance, they're happy to have the pollution elsewhere, however, it's easier to control pollution and gain efficiency in a HUGE power plant than an eeny teeny one, so it's not as bad as simply moving the filth around. using coal to charge batteries is a stopgap on the road to clean, it's cleaner than a gas car, even if it's not lily white.
aside from that, 50 to 140 grand? where you live that electric cars cost that much? dang... move, you ain't sensible to live there.
Just another of the 'options' having an EV provides. Providing flexibility and adaptability to changing energy generation, storage and distribution is an area often overlooked when discussing the many personal and community benefits of the transition to EV's, so well done for highlighting.
I'd transition to a tree before I'd buy an EV..
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I'll keep my Landcruiser as i care for the environment .
@@petesmitt No worries, it's a free country.
@@TheRealBobSmith. No probs. No ones forcing anyone to buy an EV.
Dedicated home batteries probably make more sense if you want to run it regularly.
I’d suggest LTO batteries which will do 20K cycles and still have over 90% capacity.
LTO batteries being Lithium Titanate batteries.
@@JJ-wi2uw Yes. Just a different chemistry.
Less energy dense but a lot more stable and long lasting
How about vanadium redox flow batteries, any future in them?
@@avid6186 I have no idea. Haven't looked into this.
Electricians are busy in the Dandenong Ranges near Melbourne where storms cut power for months recently, installing isolation switches which allow homes to be powered from generators. May be a good idea for Ioniq 5 owners who have 3.5kw V2L available.
transfer switch. Houses already have isolation switches.
You can get by on 3.5kW but you do have to think about things. Electric oven is a problem, electric hot water is a non starter(even many of the heat pump ones). Damn depending on exactly which ones you have, running the kettle and the toaster at the same time might be a no no.
@@stusue9733 The fridge and a few lights is a big improvement on nothing pull out the barby and do your cooking and heat some water just pretend you are camping in your house with a 10 amp extension cord pretty luxurious with a full HWS running water fridge and lights and a 60'' tv
@@suncitybooksgeraldton335 Certainly is, that's why I have one(transfer switch that is). Its just that many people seem to think VTL is the end of their problems.
I should add, for me, no power = no running water. That may explain why I have three gennies.
Auto-transfer switches are already coupled to multimodal inverters, the bi-directional car supply is connected on the standalone side.
Surely if you actually run your house off your EV car then you are "using up" recharge cycles of the car battery and therefore decreasing the overall life cycle of the battery?
Everyone I know in Florida who sets up a Prius as a home backup does a cheap low mileage lease on a Prius - which was like $99/month..
Good day to all, Although it's no currently the best solution using VTL I'm doing just that. My inverter will auto disconnect from the grid if the grid drops below a set voltage, not that I need this as I'm not connected to the grid. I life of solar with a home battery and have an EV with VTL. In summertime I can charge the EV from my solar then in Winter I can use public charges to charge the EV, then when there's not enough solar available I plug the EV into my inverter which then helps top up the system when there is not enough sun around which means I no longer need to run my very nosey diesel generator. Although public charging an EV is not the cheapest option it work outs cheaper for me than running the diesel genny so a nice little bonus. It does look like VTH and VTG systems might come along in the next 5 years or so, I have seen already some inverters with VTH but I don't know of any cars that support this natively at the moment. I personally don't have any very high current drawing appliances in my home, the inverter can supply 5kw which is much more then I ever need at the most I might pull 3.5 kw for very short periods, so using the VTL is perfect as my house batteries pick up the bulk of any load with my EV just topping up when needed. I have to recharge the EV once a week as it runs my home for about that length of time including obviously driving the car when needed. Obviously this setup will not suit a lot of people but it is working great for me and I am looking into maybe adding some more solar so I will be able to charge the EV later in the year and not have to use the EV as a backup so soon, just a case of weighing up benefit over the extra cost as this is the first year I've had the EV with the VTL to try it out and see how it goes. Love your channel John many thanks for all your time and effort you must have to put in to get it together much appreciated.
I love the shirt. They should sell them at the local electrical wholesaler.
It says 'shocking' because can tell you that, electrically speaking, he's poking his nose into a subject he hasn't much of a clue about.
@@jeffp3999 John seems to have a pretty good grasp of the fundamentals of electrical theory to me, but I've only worked in the industry for decades, so what would I know.
@@davidwild66 You been doing much installing solar multi-mode inverters connected to auto-transfer switches connected to the backed up power boards that you can connect the bidirectional charging V2G onto?
@@jeffp3999 Comprehending the written language isn't a strong point for you, is it?
@@davidwild66 did you sleep through the electric principles course and get a distinction in avoiding the subject?
My partner has a small coffee trailer and have been wondering about this. However it uses a 15amp plug. Have been casually researching the outlander or eclipse cross PHEV for this reason due to its towing capacity and range anxiety issues towing. Will be interested to see how it all goes.
What's your opinion of the Micro Lino? Personally I think it's a bit small and the front opening door is a bit of a turn off. I do like that at least some manufacturers are designing and building economical shopping or city worker style vehicles.
I've always wondered how Tesla owners can stand on their soap box bleating about their virtuous vehicle, and then quote the ridiculous speed at which they can discharge their batteries with rapid acceleration of the same vehicle.
"and then quote the ridiculous speed at which they can discharge their batteries"
And at the same time ignoring how filthy in carbon terms electricity generation is in Australia
Considering the price of a Micro Lino....
You could buy a decent classic BMW Isetta... The classic car has a better range and can be refilled in minutes.
nice one Mr Beige Cardigan!
John, most cars like the MG4 or Atto3 only have a 220V AC V2L capability. This doesn't connect with the supply as it can't sync the single phase connection.... but.... what if we converted that 220VAC output to DC, connected that to the DC input of a grid tied solar inverter? The inverter does the phase syncing with the street and supplies the whole house with power, backed up by the grid if more power is required.??? Thoughts???
The link to the Bluetti site doesn't seem to work. Thanks for another great video!
We need smart software to regulate the cost of Peak v off peak rates.
with good software management this new way to use storage power would be good.
Would be best if we could have DC supply to our homes for better efficiency (no inverters needed)
We get John you do not like change but change we must have . So give us and idea of what you would think could or would be the solution
Many years ago before solar power cannot say wind turbines as the first one I saw was near where I went to school ,how long it was there in before 1952 I don’t know it was a Southern Cross windmill with a generator and 12 volt la batteries gave them lights in there home and milking sheds ,etc .
A step backwards ,a friend of mine had fitted into his power board a reverse point which could only be accessed when the Main power switch was turned off allowing to plug his diesel welder into when grid went down .Old jc
Maybe not the house, but def enough battery capacity to power up the mrs' hitachi magic wand massager.
Dear John, surely one of the biggest arguments against using your cars battery for household usage is that you'll simply wear it out orders of magnitude faster than your daily commute would. Given the replacement cost is a significant portion of the price of the whole car then.. it seems insane to try and save a couple of dollars of electricity while massively reducing functional lifespan of your rully expensive EV?
While I have the same question regarding if it is such a good idea(other than for some backup power now and again), I think "orders of magnitude" is a huge step. It's a pretty light load so maybe insignificant.
Hi, politicians that are ex lawyers? What makes you think that they would have to be that well educated? To the best of my knowledge there is no requirement in our regulations that states that there is any educational qualification requirement for politicians. In our local ward the person voted as our representative failed his GCE but does have the gift of sounding convincing in his most sincere and humble opinions. He lasted long enough in Parliament to get his Government Pension and now has found a cushy job in local council politics! People get the representation they deserve. Cheers mate. Harera.
Ahhm, the Tesla team are well aware of the limitations of lithium batteries....given their obvious expertise. They are working on improving energy density through battery pack geometry & optimising fabrication, both via their own teams & partners such as Panasonic & BYD & CATL.
BTW the semi is coming out in December.
Very happy with our Bluetti ac200p!
Seems like a perfect illustration of the old aphorism “Just because you can doesn’t mean you should”.
Ford's battery in the F150, while grossly too small to tow anything (Unless you like filling the battery every 80 miles (roughly every 125 KM) .With options and so on... a RATHER expensive battery that runs way up to $100k US.... The good part: There are nice 48 V 100 to 200 AH battery packs that can REALLY run your house with an inverter. (Inverter is something like $3k US to 4-6k$) -- and does a switch over to battery about all the time... Another 10kv of solar panels would keep the EV charged as well. LIFEPO4 batteries should last about 10 years....And *in theory* the folk at Harvard have a new solid state coming in a couple of years. Buying a EV just to get the battery is a total waste of money.....
Off to A&E... Just punched my balls again. Thanks John 👍
Well done and thanks.
People with solar are already doing this, they pay full price for grid power and sell back excess cheap ha ha, some are saying if you want to go off camping with electricity take an EV if you want to get back home again take an ICE.
Thanks, I have a V2L vehicle and just waiting for someone to invent a dual charger/discharger, or some other black box that will allow me to connect the car to the house, it will happen.
Meanwhile in Winter, my garage has a freezer,fridge, and tumble drier and an extension lead can power these.
Use a hybrid inverter and plug as if it were a generator or use it to charge the house battery via a battery charger. There are ways now you can do this safely and legally. Just for charging you will need to swap cables.
Tesla Semi deliveries start 1 Dec 2023 to Pepsi. E.M tweet.
Pepsi already have some Tesla semis so some of those deliveries might just be a signature on a transfer document. But they will be producing them either in Nevada on a protoptype production line and or in Texas. Small numbers at first maybe 5 or 10 a week to start.
The range is said to be 500 miles or 800 km. The battery would be about 900 kWh. An end to years of b^ll sh^t.
I wonder if they will be more fire resistant that the solar panels walmart got?
V2L just adds another marketing arrow to the quiver of reasons to own an EV. A pretty handy one I would definitely be looking for in a new EV. I wouldnt be trading in my old one just to get this one new feature. The other drawback is then how much cycling of the battery is not mileage related a bit like running a car engine for power take off work which is not reflected in the mileage. I'm sure manufacturers would have some hidden logging of charge /discharge cycles in there somewhere. The new Ioniq6 has a max output of 3.6kVA which is the equivalent of a 15 amp socket at 240v and a power factor of 1 while the Ioniq 5 is listed as 3.6 kW. Handy in an outage or out somewhere but not enough to run a house. We certainly don't want to have people making up frankenstein double male plug extension cords like America with the potential to energise the grid when used by saps with no idea. Have a look at the excellent channel "Just Rolled In" to see how smart some people are with cars and then think how smart they would be with 'Lecktrickery. Some don't even understand Carbon Monoxide or reading labels!
Back feeding the grid for any length of time is unlikely, same goes for electrocuting a linesman. Doesn't make a suicide lead a good idea though.
@@stusue9733 old John hasn't much of a clue what he's on about, multimodal inverters get linked to transfer switches that switch over supply from grid to off grid.
It's all in hand with V2G, which can power the house paralleled across the supply like a solar inverter is or transfer over to supply off grid.
@@jeffp3999 I have no idea what you are trying to tell me.
@@stusue9733 easy
Auto-transfer switches are easy coupled to multimode solar inverters, bi-directional car supply is connected on the standalone power circuit board that stays on when the grid goes down, so the car battery can supply or take power from the house when the grid is on or supply the house when the grid goes down even supply power along with another house battery.
If it supplies power to the house wiring, how is that isolated from the grid! He’s done well to mention the regulatory component, because there will be extra costs to setup legally.
Why is it that when talking about "green" energy supplies, only wind and solar are ever mentioned? There is more energy in flowing water in rivers and rising and falling tides than in wind and solar. There are lots of installtions that generate power this way but they never seem to be mentioned.
dreamer
@@TheRealBobSmith. No, countires that have Hydro power also have cheap electricity so it is fact not a dream. The initial costs may be high, but the running costs are low.
@@odinnln5694 Tasmania was 100% hydro, with the most expensive power in australia, but now it’s wind and hydro, and still the highest cost power in the counrty
Because for the most part many of the people that like wind and solar dislike dams.
Very few installations powered by tides that I am aware of. Seen plenty of "great idea" but most things we put in the sea have a habit of breaking.
@@odinnln5694 Tasmania is run from hydro power and they have higher prices than i have in NSW.
So if I get an EV in todays market it will definitely be LFP battery powered and it would most likely be BYD, and this is purely at a battery & drive train point of thinking and Im not interested in anyone else's opinion on that.
The above package should have 3000 charge cycles before possible degredation should be noticed which is enough for the lifespan of an EV and the Idea that a power company can reduce that lifespan, adding and removing power at their leasure is a solid GGF.
If people have no garage, how do they plug their EV into the house? The long lead could have current drop. Also, the issue of wiring/leads in the rain, trip hazards etc...
The rated wiring to the garage ack to the meter box is 15A? that's the max power the house could use via that route.
Unless the EV can be plugged into the meter box (supply to house) there is only low current 15A draw that could e used. It's not going to run more than a few basics. Unlikely to be both boiling a kettle and A/C and washing machine at the same time.
Voltage drop ;)
I got to wondering how you was gunna drive to work after keeping the aircon on all night .
Quite right! Who their right mind buys a 50,000 bucks car to power their house? In fact who spends over the odds for an ev anyway?
You can run everything for days... Just don't heat and cool big things with electricity.
Air-conditioning, heating whole house and heating water for shower...
Washing machine, laundry dryer and electric stove are next in line...
Refrigerator is like 50w
Light is loke 5-20w
TV is 40-100w (my 43 inch LCD is 40w)
Basically you can chill food and have lights and TV for days
Hey you can boil a kettle and make some toast as well, just possibly not at the same time ;)
"Failed lawyer arseholes" sums up most of the problems in Australia really lol. If the chinese MG can manage it I"m sure all the other manufacturers could too!
I would want a large battery pack or the house frankly. Here is the ideal in my opinion: solar into a large pack during the day, problem is that you are not at home you are at work during the day bit of a problem. So trickling that power into your storage pack at home for the day then using a dc to dc dump that power into your cars battery when you get home at say 50-100kw would be a solid solution. Then in emergencies where you run out of power using the ev as a feedback.... I mean it would take a seriously bad situation for you to not have enough juice if your using a system like this but it's free redundancy so it's nice to have.
Did you really mean to say 50-100kw?
@@stusue9733 yes. DC fast chargers can do up to 350Kw. If you are going to set up a system from DC storage to DC storage you would not want to convert to AC and back between them in the middle it's just a waste. And given you are using a different charge circuit you can set it up for a reasonable fast charge.
If course doing a 350kw fast charge would require cooled cables and would need entirely unnecessary levels of complexity and cost. 50kw is probably plenty. 25KW Would be fine too frankly.
@@milamber319 And just what sort of home battery bank do you have in mind that can deliver 100kw for any reasonable amount of time?
Hmmmm. Probably the same kind that can charge at 100kw at a time and deliver that to the wheels of a car. Though there would need to be some rejigging of the standard household pack. Difficult solutions to think about. You would need the ability to run a serious DC voltage out of the pack. You would need 21+ DC cells (edit: cell packs sorry, they will be in clusters like in a car) at 24V in series to deliver the power output needed for a DC fast charge. That means the either the solar array needs to be able to deliver 480+V or there needs to be an AC transformer switch in there anyway or there needs to be some crazy arse switching system to allow it to charge in parallel and discharge in series.
Needs work. Needs development. But would be an ideal I think.
@@stusue9733 but the batteries themselves are not the issue here. Tesla already delivers lithium ion home batteries. You could also use sodium ion or even capacitors. It's the infrastructure required to meet both AC and DC delivery concurrently at different voltages that throws a spanner in the works.
I don't think that is insurmountable.
And obviously it only needs to be large enough to accommodate what your system can suck up in 8-9 hours from the sun. You won't get a full charge off it in one day.
The inverters have built in black,out mode and make your house off grid
This has to be a total no-brainer. An EV is a huge battery on wheels that ought to be available for more than just driving from A to B. The problems are purely technical and administrative and solvable. 2.5kwh is not a lot, but many EVs have storage capacities twenty times greater than that.
why you have yankee socket on shirt? you ashamed of antipodean energy reticulation norms (AS/NZS 3000:2018) or sumting?
Apparently the Tesla semi has started production and Pepsi have confirmed that they will be receiving their first semi at two facilities on Dec 1 2022.
Will be interesting to get some real world range figures.
@@stusue9733 yes for sure
My power bills currently run at around $50/$70 per month.
So I'd say definitely not in the realm of a good financial idea.
@DJ_CodNub yep, that's all.
But not everyone has cheap and reliable power! Not much fun having to replace all your frozen or chilled food everytime you have an extended power failure. Of course a better value would just have a backup generator than an EV. V2L is great if you go camping or anywhere there is no access to power. However if this is your first EV then get one with V2L as they are no more expensive than EV without that feature or in the Chinese EV much cheaper...
So are you saying Tesla has not started production of the Tesla Semi? I thought they started production this week for Pepsi.
I think the nissian leaf can do this
If you have an expensive V2H charger
I'd buy a petrol generator to power my EV then run it to the house. 😂
Lol, you should be a comedian 👍
Its called a Outlander hybrid....
Makes as much sense as Australia’s current energy plan. It’s they actually do in SA isn’t it?
Good timing on this video. I happened to stumble upon your frienemy, the "other" expert. Who did a long form review of the BYD Atto 3. What an absolute joke for $50,000 of your hard earned Australian doll hairs. Iso fix points broken from the factory, a frankly scary amount of torque steer and none of the bells and whistles you would expect. So your "mate" tells us this represents good value.. WTAF... dude
Can't find a legal way of using my V2L in the uk. Regs won't allow a transfer panel as they have shown in the United States videos. Any recommendations on how to get all that lovely AC into my house. Obviously i can run odd bits off an extension but i wanted something more solid
Are you sure about that? A quick google disagrees. Yes things will be done a little different to how they are done in the states because of the panels they use. Maybe you have a special circumstance.
@@stusue9733 found a way to do it that's legal. If i get battery home storage i can put a transfer switch in the circuit and feed the home battery from the cars V2L
A 50/100 year old house wiring wouldn't support Solar panel's in the first place. As a house to have a solar system on the roof the house wiring needs to be reasonably up to date.
Johno - Think I see a Mudmaster on your wrist, gwg-1000? Good choice! Question - How does the "everyone moves to an EV" equation change with new technologies like graphene batteries?
Hey John! Just realized now that your intro's sound _rully rully_ sounds like a car engine starting and revving up. Being this the Auto Expert dot A. You. channel, I don't think that's a coincidence. Well thought of, John!
Cheers from Upsidedownistan Portugal where Gravity is, go figure, still Gravity!
he stole it from Scotty Kilmer
Feel free to use TH-cam URLs. They work fine on YT.
Common sense supercharged with comedy 💪
Firstly if you have your EV car running your house during the day then you probably don’t need a vehicle in the first place. Secondly why not just buy a battery pack for a fraction of the cost to store and reuse energy and save on the cost of a useless EV. Really if the sale pitch is buy a $60k EV to run your house of a day to save money it just don’t make sense.
Your logic and research is exemplary John. Thanks for presenting facts so clearly and concisely.
I guess you could say Steve Beggs for an answer to his question. 😁
What's he on about?
Auto-transfer switches are already coupled to multimode solar inverters, the bi-directional car supply is/can be connected on the standalone side.
You say you can charge your Bluetti during the the day using Solar. Well can you suggest how to make sure you are only consuming the power your home solar panels are making? A solar switch perhaps? Does that even exist? Suns out, Powers On! Heavy shade, 😅Powers Off! That way you could guarantee you are not consuming grid power.
There are EV chargers that do this. Cant see the bluetti being able to.
it would be cheaper to buy a generator
Need a 50A 240V plug options to power my house, enough to run the central AC unit. Also range extender gas generator so I don't kill my fucking battery.
I know this an old video but power to grid was all sorted years ago. Doesnt really matter if its panels, battery, vechicle. Only time its hard is if you have panels but no batteries to soak up the excess. Crude as it is resistive elements can take care of that if they aren't full of gum tree droppings
This all sounds amazing, if you are already wealthy. EV, solar panels, Tesla batteries in the carport.
Pity the poor family guy who is battling to pay his western suburb mortgage, his energy bills, and filling his 10yo ICE car every week.
Yes but you need need like 15kw of solar panels. Battery is not a power source
"Inept, scientifically illiterate, failed lawyers" 😝
I feel like going full Banksy and painting that all over Canberra.
Hi John, have you seen TH-cam videos on nuclear diamond battery? I would be interested to hear your opinion on these and whether they have a future or if they are pie in the sky as well.
Love your videos
Jay
Toby Stark, built one in a cave. With a bunch of scraps.
Hi John, you are fright about politicians, but you left one group out, especially when it comes to Labor ones. Politicians are usually either failed lawyers/accountants (Gillard, Garrett, Mikakos, etc.) or the have arts degrees mastering in politics, which is a BS degree mastering in BS) (Dan Andrews, Martin Foley, among others). For those simpletons who don't know what BS means, its BullShit or in other words Foul Smelling Lies, of which Dan Andrews in Victoria is a supreme master of.
Or they have marketing degrees like ScoMo. There are also plenty of failed accountants, lawyers and arts students in the Liberal party, champ. 😎
@@TheKnobCalledTone. very true about marketing degrees which is another BS degree. I know there are, but the most idiotic ones seem to congregate in the Labor Party. No politicians are any good, they all lie and only care about themselves.
Dirty secret in order to charge ev at home in timely manner you would be maxing out your residential electric panel
Make sure that if you have a solar array, you isolate it before using you EV to power up your house, otherwise the panels will think that the grid power has been restored and turn on....OOOPS..
Welcome to the field of broken dreams folks, where dreams come hopping in like a bunny to be shredded by a rottweiler.
my 7kwh of battery.... doesn't last long....
depends on the outlay as to viability
A car has 10x that in battery
@@australianmade2659 and ?
@@australianmade2659 6.6kw solar system with 7kwh of batteries for $4900
at that price it is viable.....
what you going to do with a overpriced EV
@@australianmade2659 if you want to stay powered in a blackout a auto isolation switch is a further $1500
@@australianmade2659 a battery that big will probably charge on coal power
Running your house (or anything else) from on your EV car battery is a costly plan, you'll be replacing your EV battery alot sooner because you only get a finite number of recharge cycles from these batteries. At around 20,000 for a new EV battery there's nothing to be gained or saved here.
Oh , i missed the point . Why would you ? Why ?
Are you looking for the answer: One should. ?
These are the words of wisdom.
I am an engineer and I find what is happening at the moment pathetic.
#science 😂
You are right John, because of these politicians 🙄, there is too much wind in our grid.
I think 30k cycles with 80% drop is fantasy. Mobile phones which should have the best battery technology still have about 800 cycles with about 80% drop
3500 cycles = once a day x 10 years. If I said 30k in error I apologise. I meant 3500.
@@AutoExpertJC I relistened to it you did say 3.5k. my mistake.
Still 3.5k for drop seems excessive seeing they can't get mobile phone battery performance like that
@@diceman999 Mobil phone batteries are all about being small and having long standby/talk time(though I'm sure they call it something else these days). That's one of the trade-offs the manufacture can make. People don't seem to care that their batteries don't last years, gives them an excuse to buy a new phone. Sure they'll say they don't want to, but they will still buy the latest phone.
I think the vast majority of people should wait for more vehicles and chargers to do a true V2H system before moving to EV. If you split you home panels in to a critical loads and general switch box and then have your EV plugged in and charged then in an outage your critical loads continue working. Most people will replace a vehicle in the next 5 - 8 years and more and more vehicles will support those features over that time so anyone that is interested in resiliency for their home can start planning now. If you were going to spend 20k on a battery backup you may as well spend 40k and also get a vehicle out of it... plus a vehicle is much easier to finance.
V2L I find way less useful. Sure you can run an extension cord to run your fridge and freezer in a grid down... but true V2H is what people should hold out for. Automatic transfer and less need to pay attention after the original planning make it nice and easy going forward.
When power to grid from an ev becomes fezable the long range will hurt most Australians
It's great when someone I follow uses one of my own handcrafted phrases, i.e. calling Elon Musk the PT Barnum of EVs. Great minds think alike...
The big problem with EVs is charging, battery life and range.
The idea of using them as a home power supply, except in an emergency, is just dumb.
I thought that the idea was to charge the car over the night and drive the stupid thing in the day. Is this Elbows genius idea from the election? We have 24 solar panels and a proper battery set that works just sweet at a cost of about $24000.00, a lot cheaper than an electric car. The car is a hybrid and it’s sweet too.
All the concerns have been addressed… when dealing with GENERATORS. The main difference here is that we’re swapping out a gas generator with an EV. There mayyyy be capacity differences between what a gas generator can do vs an EV but they both supply power.
There are generator panels that allow for the safe transfer of power sources. They will work with your EV as well.
Home Depot appears to have gas generators from 800 watts up to 4,000. You have to ask yourself if your EV’s max output (in America likely 1,300 watts) can power everything you need.
You think the EV can only put out 1300 watts? Mine does 9,600 Watts. Enough for multiple homes. How do you think one charges an EV using a second EV.? 1300 watts would be impractical.
@@legonut78 I just threw out a number. My Ioniq 6 in theory can do 3600 watts. But none of this is tested by me.
I do recall the video making it seem like EV's as whole home backups were presenting whole new questions and problems but they aren't.