Pretty much. It’s just like the police claiming that “speed was a factor” whenever they are asked to comment on most car crashes. I’ve never heard of two stationary cars colliding with each other so there really is no reason to say it beyond deliberately trying to give the impression that someone had to have been speeding to cause the crash without leaving themselves open to a false accusation lawsuit that they quite often deserve.
My daughter went car shopping last weekend. I explained to her your concept of "bullshit o'clock" (crediting you of course), and it really helped her. I even gave her your definition of bullshit, so she understood. Thank you.
Someone once said that we can keep swimming 50m faster but nobody will ever do it in nothing flat. By the same token we can shave some carbon off here or there but we are always going to emit carbon. Whether it’s production of steel, concrete, glass…whatever. We may need to come at this from another angle.
@@les_spoddy4073 that’s the whole point of my comment. If we can’t stop making carbon then we are going to have to find a way to convert it, or something.
Excellent info John. On the subject of reducing unnecessary transport and sitting in traffic… can you narrow down where children became unable to transport themselves to school via foot or bike, because I cant? School bike racks used to enormous, and we all struggled from home to school and back again (and survived), despite the obvious and apparent mortal danger of making one’s way to school. Bike racks barely exist at schools and traffic is ridiculous at school time because these life skills seem to be now lost. It does my head in watching hundreds of parents driving their “little bundles of joy” in their SUV’s to school when most of them could use the exercise and independence to make such an arduous journey. Anyway, rant over and love your work. Give ‘em heaps.
My Toyota 4Runner with an injected Chev motor took me to Dingo Piss Crk many times was sold about six years back. At first I thought I am never going to cope with this whole public transport thing at all but after about six months it was second nature, and yes it is shit and expensive but way cheaper than fuel ,rego and insurance.These days If I want a road trip I hire a car and stay in a nice hotel.
Spot on. Even as a "woke" lefty type, this is absolute truth. Great points on the things we can do reduce emissions, save money, fuel etc. The Rant from Toyota only really exposed themselves. Speaking of mass transit, Perth just opened its Airport Line from the city to Perth Airport and its going to take a whole chunk of cars off the road. Fast, easy to use and is going to save people a whole lot of money and driving. Only $5 at most too.
been waiting all my life for an airport line at Melbourne. will save a lot of co2 car emissions once built some time when I'm an old age pensioner, then one can jet off on some frivolous journey and spew out emissions somewhere else
Brisbane has one but built with a shitty PPP 'Private Public Partnership' so it costs $20 per person one way... it needs to be subsidised if we are serious about this stuff.
My biggest chore that pee's me off driving to the airport and back to drop family off,we do have a public transport bus from where we live but it's not so great to use with luggage
Hi John, I’m a Diesel Mechanic and your comment about the forklift out the back is exactly what is wrong about peoples perception of vehicle emissions. We as a society berate each other over net zero and tightening vehicle emissions, however the forklift or any other “Plant” equipment is overlooked. Plant equipment does not have to comply with ADR 80/03 standards. Plant equipment usually runs engines that were designed in the 80’s or 90’s and just rebranded as an industrial engine. If we were serious about emissions we’d be worrying about the plant that loads our freight. The more I think about it I just can’t disagree with your perception that it’s all just about virtue signalling. P.S. we’ve done amazing things already with emission standards. Nobody chokes on the old Leyland buses from the 70’s and 80’s anymore and new shit pulls like a teenage boy.
Great video, hurling some serious truth bombs. The cost/benefit point you make with of all cars being electric only saving 8% of total emissions does not seem like a good return on the investment to me either. In any other commercial operation decisions made around sustainability is always "how can I get the biggest return on my investment?" Start with the "cheap" easy options, then work up to the harder to implement options, not sure that EV's and all the associated infrastructure is getting the best bang for buck.
Well spoken. I agree, it is manifestly obvious that it would be far more effective to change the way that we power our industries than to produce thousands of vehicles with heavy batteries so that we can exercise our "freedom". Steel production is of course a biggie. Much easier for mining equipment revolving in relatively small predictable circles to be electric for example. Also many agricultural vehicles likewise. Plastics not made from oil etc. Acknowledging what you say about mass transport around metropolitan areas.
As an Australian I don't see EVs as a big factor in reducing carbon emissions. Most of our fuel is imported and most of our electricity is produced from locally sourced fuels or from renewable sources. So EVs may not be as clean as their marketers pretend but they are much better for our national security in not being dependent on imported fuel.
National security and specifically transportation fuel security trumps carbon emissions by an order of magnitude. The maths is fascinating to me and it shows people are being bullshitted in an epidemic way. Let's start with 200Kg of CO2 emitted for each Kwh of Lithuim batteries vs 360g of CO2 for every litre of tailpipe emissions from petrol. That changes the starting line before the race even begins. The conversation really needs to change and be more realistic. Specifically about local action
@@DerykRobosson Yes. In Western Australia the gas extraction companies have to sign up to reserving a fixed proportion for the WA market at a reasonable price. This has been a multi-party policy and we are currently seeing the benefits. No country or state that uses gas or oil should be exporting all of its production and then buying its needs at inflated international prices. What were the federal and eastern state governments thinking?
I have to say that I agree with Toyota. Worrying about the climate is a first world problem that only rich liberals in California and New York have time to worry about. Most folks don’t have the money for electric cars, we are more worried about inflation, war, etc. Any place were electric cars sell well is thanks to subsidies and handouts, again benefiting the rich. There is also the problem of range at highway speed and cold weather performance. I know they’ve made their share of gas guzzlers but keep in mind that they basically last twice as long as other trucks so overall emissions might not be as bad as it seems.
Im sure a lot of horse riders back in the day wish they could afford model t fords as well. suck it up, Electric cars are still for those with disposable income. price will trend downard, until then quit being poor. ta
@@Fanta.... except it isn’t trending downward, and they said it would in 2018. Study economics and then a little thermodynamics and then get back to me. EVs don’t make sense for anything bigger than a Prius.
Like you, I am not wealthy enough to afford an electric vehicle or put an off-grid power system in my house but I sure as hell worry about the effects CC is having on our way of life and look to do whatever I can at my level to change my ways. I don't know your age but I have lived long enough to see that the good life my generation had is threatening the life of my children and grandchildren. This is not about what one car company thinks or woke people in California, it is about what everyone on the planet does from here on regarding all the things that create greenhouse gas emissions. We consume or use a mountain of products every day that are responsible for global warming and many of them are not necessary. If each and every one of us started looking at that area of our lives then we can make a difference but we are all waiting for the big silver bullet to come from the technology gods that will solve the problem so we don't have to face any inconvenience whatsoever. Just look into how much excess clothing is shipped to Africa from first-world countries and scrap white goods and electronics for "recycling" but ends up on rubbish dumps next to communities and is burnt. It is not just an issue for wealthy woke Californians, its an issue for us.
@@alistairshanks5099 everything you said is valid, my problem is people who have a Tesla to go to Starbucks and then drive their giant truck across country, then claim they are saving the environment. The bottom line is, anything worthwhile takes sacrifice.
Corporate Australia is just alike pulling cones. The more you suck, the higher you get. As in, your chin hitting more balls than Boonies friggin Bat. Cobber. Ok, Right, Dude.
Better back to square one. Is the CO2 thing real? Climate was never stable according to the geological record and climate changes on neighboring planets as well. Is CO2 in climate matters a lie, bullshit, or something different entity? It seems facts incompatible. "But but but but SCIENCE! Don't you subscribe to the religion of science as represented by billionaires, bankers, politicians and the scientists they sponsor?
I've got that book. This bloke on TH-cam told me it was worth reading. Probably the Tesla dirty tricks department drafted that for gp. Good to see Toyota getting plenty of use out of their buzz word generator
This video is an excellent example of Brandolini’s Law. “The amount of energy required to refute bullshit is an order of magnitude greater than to create it”
One thing the Coronavirus did for society was vastly increase online shopping and companies suddenly offering delivery. Our chemist would deliver our prescriptions for $5, I mean who could be bothered driving to the chemist when it’s delivered to your door so cheaply. Bunnings delivered to my place for $10 which again to me was a bargain. One small car delivering dozens of prescriptions or one van making a dozen drop offs makes so much sense but alas now the worst is over most people are going back to the way things were. It’s a shame because like working from home it saved tons of fuel and emissions and even reduced accidents and deaths on the road. If the Toyota PR guy was going back 20 years I’m surprised he didn’t mention “growing” the business. That was one of those trendy or in today’s language woke phrases that I hate. You expand a business and you grow plants. Fucking stupid trendy phrase.
100% agree, selling and consuming more is not the long term answer. Covid lockdowns proved the concept, as to how society still functions (in key areas), without gridlocked roads and peak hour traffic. Toyota were ahead with hybrid, but they didn't do much with it - never been their main goal to sell more efficient / low emission vehicles. We definitely need a range of better options.
I calculated my CO2 emissions of going to work vs WFH. In my case, going to the office is the lesser evil. The office is only 15 minutes away. WFH implies running an airconditioner all day and that’s done using oil for my area. YMMV.
@@guringai No need for heating here, some type of solar assisted AC would be interesting for the hottest, driest months. But during the monsoon months it's overcast most of the day, yet hot and humid and we still need AC.
Hi John, just wondering about something you said at 20 minutes and 4 seconds of this podcast you said. 'We don't have that long to take effective action.' I'm not a mechanical engineer. But my uncle is an atomic engineer, my father is an electrical engineer, my brother is a chemical engineer, my sister is an electrical engineer and my other brother is a computer scientist. And I work at fixing things. You said 'we don't have that long to take effective action'. I'm very glad you said tha,t because now we all can find out exactly how much time we have. So you must know? I would really love to find out the exact time. Or are you, maybe using some of that book, to help your argument. My middle name is Brian by the way. Love the podcast. Keep up the good work my friend.
So far, all the predictions of doom allegedly made by the alleged scientific consensus and repeated ad-nauseam by the mainstream media, the many greentard gazettes on the internet, etc, have shown that whoever is on the right side of this man-made climate change theory will be on the wrong side of history. So, don’t expect your question to be answered because bullshit always takes refuge in some vestigial amount of truth (no matter how small). Of course, we as inhabitants of this planet, are going to have an impact on its climate, by the same logic, filling your tires with nitrogen will make a difference from filling them with air. But in a car, paying 20$ per tire to replace air that was already 78% nitrogen seems to have a similar diminished return as to ruin a country’s economy and global competitiveness and drive many millions into poverty or even death by hypothermia just for the sake of virtue signalling. Once upon a time, there was a hypocrite who said that extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. What kind of evidence is this that cannot even differentiate the human from the natural component of climate change and demands are made to apply a cure that is demonstrably a lot worse than the alleged disease (take a look at Europe…).
I wish they would not call CO2 an emission. Emmissons should be limited to pollutants like NOx emissions. One should group their cars carbon footprint as an overall footprint.
EVs are the ultimate in greenwashing. Spend billions in transforming, yet save only 8%. The government like it though because it's the consumer who pays, it looks like something is happening and they avoid the expensive and politically difficult task of tackling the big emitters. On Toyota, what else are they going to say? Unless they are forced, they will continue to sell the cars on which they make a heap of money. If consumers don't like it, they can vote with their wallet.
Cynically I call my 8km/litre 1974 VW camper a hybrid car because I have several times driven it electrically 10 to 20 metres out of its estimated 0.1km electric range ... on the starter motor when something fell off at a road junction...
John, got anything to say about Mazda's new line of CX-60 as of like, today I think - dude. In the line up is a 3.3 Litre "Hybrid Boost" Diesel Motor option (among two petrol options). I wept when I realised that now a soccer mum car has the largest capacity diesel motor on the mainstream market, besides shitbox farm ute cruisers.. To me, this displays a disconnect between the two departments, the SUV guys and the Ute guys, the ute market is screaming for bigger capacities as people try to haul their overloaded campers to dingo-piss creek, trying to flog their 2.4L up Sugarloaf getting nowhere, or tradies with heavy tray and canopies, also in tow with a caravan. I get the whole fuel savings bullcrap but when it comes to heavy weights, one thing remains true which is there is no replacement for displacement. You can turbo and bi-turbo and put all the crap on it you want but the fact is these newer utes feel like slugs when loaded up (as their intended purpose is... I think?). Ok so like to the point, this release shows they are confident they can get the best of both words, high capacity with fuel economy with the hyrbrid, why do you think they didn't think to bring this into the BT-50? They can obviously build a diesel engine they back if they are releasing in this 'higher end' (in Mazda terms) offering. It would be good to maybe even have the option between a Mazda platform and Isuzu platform. This market is missing powertrain OPTIONS in Utes like the American market has. Anyway I just think it would be good to talk about this, build some discussion on this and maybe gauge from the comments/feedback on this topic to see if others agree and if the market agrees or I'm in a minority that give a shit.
You're right the emissions produced during manufacture of vehicles makes it very difficult to reach carbon zero. That's why 'green steel' is important. Qld's energy plan proposes using renewable electricity and hydrogen to make green steel at Gladstone. If there were no emissions during manufacture, then the steel avoids import duties from the EU and other markets. Green steel is a big opportunity for Australia.
John has also made many points around supply of EVs as well as the global shortage of materials such as lithium and nickel. How can we produce any notable supply of EVs for at least several years given these shortages??There is no way we can meet these Government EV mandates either. I wish politicians understood these economic factors as well as the high prices of these vehicles.
About transit: Your trolley/streetcar system needs to connect to the subway. If there is passenger rail nearby, transit should go right into the station. If you have an airport, transit should go to the terminal(s). If there is a shopping mall, transit should go to the mall not the far edge of the parking lot. Buses are the worst form of rapid transit and should be avoided if you can. If you want to keep the "homeless" off the transit, solve the homeless problem don't do things that also stop the working poor from using transit Transit should run 24/7 with reduced service in the off hours and a massive fleet moving during the busy hours because if there is no transit or the trolley is full folks will drive to and back from where they are going.
Was just thinking today that cars should be required to display a sticker on the windscreen saying how much CO2 emissions were created in the production of the car.
"Toyota's always on the back foot" Wouldn't it be fair to say that the Prius made the idea of a super "green" car cool? I mean, every celebrity wanted to be seen in one, when they came out. Although, maybe that wasn't really Toyota setting the trend, but identifying an opportunity to cash in on the trend already emerging. I kinda answered my own question as I thought that through.
Sure, Prius was viewed as kind of cool and green 20+ years ago but what has Toyota done since then? Apart from the Mirai which, as John rightly points out, is practically impossible to actually buy (and not only in Australia, I might add), Toyota’s current crop of green models are just different versions of the same thing the Prius was 20+ years ago.
That watch would still tick in the Chernobyl core. Is it a Geiger counter as well. By the way the clicks glasses are great, well they were until my students kept laughing at me clicking them on and off like a bobbing head on my old Falcon dash.
Great one as always. I saw another TH-cam vid on ‘Why Toyota Refuses To Jump Onto The EV Bandwagon’ by Logically Answered. They raised some interesting points. Anyway don’t mean to hijack your comments. 🤙🏽
The Sunday times news paper had autonomous electic paper roll carries 30 years ago, so not much advancement. Just like 70series ads going on about its new safety features everyone else had 10-15 years ago.
It seems that John spends more time listening and reacting to Toyota's corporate communications than he does in the world of Toyota products and their customers. Toyota's hybrid system has dominated sales in the segments it has been introduced not because Toyota's PR department spins a good yarn, but because it delivers tangible value to drivers (i.e. a significant reduction in real-world fuel consumption coupled with modest improvements to power output and refinement) at only modest additional cost over a standard ICE vehicle. This is a Goldilocks formula that other technologies and manufacturers have seemingly been unable to match. PHEVs and BEVs remain too expensive for mainstream adoption, mild hybrids deliver only trivial returns, while most alternative hybrid systems from other manufacturers deliver inferior returns and charge more for the privilege -- that is, if they offer such vehicles in Australia at all.
Thanks for taking the time to speak truth to power! Australia’s corporate-political game of mates is holding us back from scientifically/effectively addressing this issue. P.s. Australia wake up and start looking beyond the Toyota dealerships - they are not as loyal to you as you are to them and their vehicles are laughably behind the competition.
You can buy electric Toyota Hilux utes in Australia. Just not from a Toyota dealer. There is a company in South Australia that directly imports the chassis and fits the drive train for mining industry customers.
Doesn't this come down to the consumer? If people honestly disagreed with what Toyota are saying and doing then consumer wallets would be doing the talking. Just look at how many hybrids they sell, and how many more they would be selling if they had the chips to do so. If people disagree with them, then simply shop elsewhere and Toyota will switch gear in a heartbeat. If the hybrids and ICE cars are left in the showrooms then Toyota will change. But when they are flying off the floor it is hard to blame the manufacturer for supplying a product the people want. Especially in an environment and infrastructure that simply can't handle an immediate shift to ev. I think a mix of ev and hydrogen is the end game to aim for. However, we can't blame KFC for the obesity crisis when there's a Subway next door. Consumers need to take some responsibility.
the Victorian (AU) opposition leader recently said if he gets in, public transport will be $2 a day (how would this be possible seeing it's not government owned) at current fuel prices, toll roads and parking fees (and fines if including costs on an average) surely this would be a massive saving for a lot of people if they can bring themselves to get into a bus/train.. also reduce the need for road work/maintenance and wear and tear on current cars and pollution from tyre rubber going into water ways etc (hadn't heard those emissions mentioned often either). i don't believe he's going to get in, and maybe he doesn't either and is why he's put this proposition out there for the current mob to GET SOME PRESSURE about while they are in going through the motions (blah blah blah etc.. where is Greta by the way)
@ Sailing Citrine Sunset .Get your facts correct before commenting and looking like a fool. LiFePo4 (which is what I think you meant , but got confused) does not suffer from thermal runaway. Lithium ion does.
@@Ozsmallbore battery chemistry is better but not totally out of the woods… faulty or incorrect battery management system and heat has caused lifepo4 to runaway.
The most important part of moving to EVs isn't the CO2 emissions. It's stopping all the other poisonous emissions being spewed out in population centres. The air was so much cleaner during the lockdowns
Here we go again, when it comes to EVs, yes do look at CO2, but the MOST IMPORTANT point is the elimination of polluting, toxic, exhaust fumes! Australia is the perfect place for generating most of the electricity from renewables so keep on with this and continue to eliminate polluting forms of electricity generation, your lungs will thank you!
I fight to de-carbonise, but only when my car's head has some red hot carbon allowing it to run even after it's turned off. And is not carbon different to CO2 ?
Not related, but this is my Toyota DPF story: I buy a Hilux & it's fine for a while..... then the DPF light comes on & doesn't go off. They "clean" the system & it's fine for a while more..... Then it gets recalled & I get a all new button to perform my own burn. So I do this as instructed with no real issues, except more fuel being used. Then on a regular service they removed the button & remapped the ECU, without telling me. Now the vehicle uses HEAPS of fuel, & I mean it's like a syphen. I complained but to no avail as they did the NASA thing & said "it has to be" So....... I looked into the class action which was one of the biggest scams ever. They want YOUR personal bank account information to "decide" if you get anything..... simply infuriating to me & others. There's more but I'm sure you get what I'm saying......... oh, what a feeling
All vehicle manufacturing has an environmental cost, I would suspect a Hybrid Camry would have a smaller "footprint" in that regard than a Tesla model X or Y. Toyota makes nine million cars a year? So what? Tesla would too if they had the manufacturing capacity and sales volume. If you want to talk about real world affect on the operating environment. I would say the Humble Prius and Camy Hybrid have had a much larger positive impact than all the EVs in the country. These Toyotas are out there slugging it out 24/7 as taxis, and have been for over 15 years returning much lower costs to their operators than the Falcons they replaced (I own a Falcon BTW) and pumping less pollution into the towns they run around all day, every day. They are not full EVs, but they have provided a working solution to a real world problem for well over a decade.. We both know that for the most part, no EV currently on the market could do what the hybrid has. I would therefore argue that Toyota has done more for large cities in Australia with their Hybrid range, than all other manufacturers have with their full EVs. Adding a few of these, simply because I know it pisses you off........................ and I also know that if you choose to read this on air, you will do it in that annoying nasal voice, so I wanted to get the first shot in. :)
I can not see Hydrid cars being "a thing" in the future. Such a stupid idea, carry around some heavy, bad tech batteries, and then charged them with the most inefficient generator imaginable!
You hit the nail on the head with the way to drastically reduce carbon emissions,good public transport working from home and your other one rooftop solar,it was so liberating during lockdown driving through the city when i was able,no traffic hassles society has to change to achieve this but their are too many that will lose dollars in the real estate industry is my guess ,lots of other adjusments to be made.Also why didn't you mention the burning of fossil fuels as well as a carbon producing problem.8% i would have thought higher than that.
I’m waiting for Toyota to sell their hybrids with a subscription service model. If you want to offset your co2 emissions, you can pay for a subscription to use the batteries in the boot.
My Ryobi 36v Mower hasn't missed a beat in nearly 5 years. So light and easy to use, the good lady wife mows the lawn too. Nothing has fallen off, all in one piece. Speaking of things falling off, my previous petrol mower was losing bolts and bits all the time, which is why i bought the 36V mower
Hydrogen for commercial use (trucks have weight budgets that current batteries would eat into too much, and time spent attached to a charging point is time not spend on the road making money). If hydrogen is for commercial use you wouldn't need as many refuelling sites; a few in the industrial area truck stops and one every 50km or so on the highways should be fine. Hybrid or battery for private use. The quickest and cheapest way to reduce emissions though is to simply buy a smaller car and drive it less often (and that will likely do more for emissions than upheaving entire industries to switch to EV). Good luck getting people to not buy a LandCruiser to run errands in though; how else will they be able to tell the world they're driving something that's put them 2 weeks away from bankruptcy?
I think one of the biggest takeaway is it is always overlooked that going to fully EV would achieve energy independence the importance of this could never be understated, could you imagine being no longer at the back and call of the oil industry
We need to make some allowances for Sean Hanley - he and the other Toyota Australia senior executives are probably still being treated for post-traumatic shock following the release of the VFACTS September sales figures, with EV sales jumping up to 7.7% of market and battery EVs outselling hybrids & PHEVs combined. If Hyundai & Kia deliver on their next-gen battery powertrain with 50% range improvement around 2025, it's all over for hybrids, PHEVs and H2-FCEVs and H2-ICE vehicles.
We get it John, but how much pollution will toyota be emitting to make EV car if they decide to go full EV next year? I thought making EV produce more carbon foot print to conventional petrol/diesel vehicle?
Production is more for a EV but it doesn't take long for the ICE vehicle emissions to overtake the EV. Worst case charging a EV off coal only it's less then 100,000km before the ICE emissions are more. It's like 20k if the EV is charged from renewables. Also new EVs will out last a modern ICE vehicle. LFP battery is good for well over a million km. Not many ICE last that long anymore.
The thing is Greenpeace has also subscribed to the myth that electric cars are zero emission vehicles, this ignores that the electric grid which powers them is also largely fossil fueled. It does this while berating Toyota for spreading misinformation. When it comes to cars and the environment there is really just bad and less bad at the moment. The life cycle of cars is very long. A car company designs a new platform that might take 6 plus years to develop. Once the platform hits the market it will probably be produced for about 10 years (with various mid cycle facelifts and refreshes). Then the cars themselves will last maybe 14 years on average before they reach the end of their life. So, from start to finish that is about 3 decades and ICE vehicles are still being developed today. There simply isn't the capacity to produce batteries to transition away from ICE's today and there probably wont be for a decade or two. Ice vehicle are going to be around for a long time yet and plenty of those old hybrids are still going. The use of old battery tech in hybrids makes sense. It doesn't take lithium away from other applications, and the batteries are small so there isn't a huge weight penalty. Nickle metal hydride batteries self level and have proven to last a long time and safely accept a high rate of charge. Hybrids are only around 5% heavier than their conventional cousins despite using NiMH batteries. When it comes to the development of new technology, from the lab to production might be 15 years. The whole of that 15 years it is just sucking up cash by the truck load and delivering no return. Any company that makes this commitment is going to want decades long returns to make it worth their while. Greenpeace is effectively demanding Toyota abandon its asset, ceases to promote it, and transitions to something that the world doesn't have the resources to do at the moment, and is arguably only slightly better for the environment.
He did not talk about forklift regen that is standard on nearly all electric ones. Recapturing the braking energy does help, but not really that much, low single digits extension of range. Thanks for the deeper look at the problem beyond the usual sales spin put out by dealers, green groups, and politicians.
Owning an EV I'd disagree, especially coming down hills. Regen makes sense & works well, & friction brakes are rarely used, so pads last literally forever. Electric trains do it too for the same reason.
There is no "climate problem" and CO2 is not a pollutant; it is plant food. Suburbia was a solution to the poor living standards in cities during the industrial era, an era that in turn was itself a solution to poverty in agrarian societies, agrarian societies were a solution to hunter gatherers etc. You can't "solve" an imaginary problem. If you said pollution in cities was a problem then yes electric vehicles might help with that.
This is why I am refraining from buying new cars. I will try to get the most of our current cars. If I need a new car, I will buy used car. Much better than actually buying a new electric car.
For you to buy a new 2nd hand car, someone else has to buy a new new car. People buy EVs not only for emissions reasons, depending on use cases, they can be better than a combustion car. Quieter, smoother, no local air pollution and no visiting a petrol station.
@@zoltrix7779 I bought a new Mazda back in the 80's and converted it to dedicated propane, a very clean burning fuel; I keep renewing parts as needed but after over 300,000 km's, the original drivetrain is still in good condition and will likely see me out; sure, newer vehicles are safer but all that technology ensures that modern vehicles will be too expensive to repair, so will be scrapped at great cost to the environment and to owners that have to replace them.
Here in the uk, we have low emission zones, where older cars pay to enter those zones and new cars are either free or very cheap.. so whats the difference between a 20 Yr old car that is mechanically sound returning 50mpg and a new car also returning 50mpg? Surly if the amount burnt is the same then the co2 levels are equal? Or am I just wrong?
3:50 "The bullshitter is under no such restriction (vs. the liar)" That shows the lie about the rEVolution: EVs are not the Second Coming (unless you worship Electric Jesus, that is). This is not to excuse Toyo's corporate indolence, nor its mediocrity.
The 70 series has a 12 volt battery, so does that mean, “some form of electrification”?
Hahahah very good hahahahaha
That’s not funny lol…..
Pretty much. It’s just like the police claiming that “speed was a factor” whenever they are asked to comment on most car crashes. I’ve never heard of two stationary cars colliding with each other so there really is no reason to say it beyond deliberately trying to give the impression that someone had to have been speeding to cause the crash without leaving themselves open to a false accusation lawsuit that they quite often deserve.
And the fun thing is you can buy an electric Toyota Hilux Ute in Australia.
You just can’t get it from a Toyota dealership…
My daughter went car shopping last weekend. I explained to her your concept of "bullshit o'clock" (crediting you of course), and it really helped her.
I even gave her your definition of bullshit, so she understood.
Thank you.
Someone once said that we can keep swimming 50m faster but nobody will ever do it in nothing flat.
By the same token we can shave some carbon off here or there but we are always going to emit carbon. Whether it’s production of steel, concrete, glass…whatever.
We may need to come at this from another angle.
What about the carbon emitted whilst making these electric and their Batteries also what do we do with them when they die.
@@les_spoddy4073 that’s the whole point of my comment. If we can’t stop making carbon then we are going to have to find a way to convert it, or something.
@@les_spoddy4073 batteries can be recycled over and over again so they get cleaner and cleaner to manufacture
@@Rockbottomsurf That's what trees do!
@@abyssmanur3965 sadly, not fast enough for the carbon we emit.
Excellent info John.
On the subject of reducing unnecessary transport and sitting in traffic… can you narrow down where children became unable to transport themselves to school via foot or bike, because I cant?
School bike racks used to enormous, and we all struggled from home to school and back again (and survived), despite the obvious and apparent mortal danger of making one’s way to school.
Bike racks barely exist at schools and traffic is ridiculous at school time because these life skills seem to be now lost.
It does my head in watching hundreds of parents driving their “little bundles of joy” in their SUV’s to school when most of them could use the exercise and independence to make such an arduous journey.
Anyway, rant over and love your work.
Give ‘em heaps.
My Toyota 4Runner with an injected Chev motor took me to Dingo Piss Crk many times was sold about six years back. At first I thought I am never going to cope with this whole public transport thing at all but after about six months it was second nature, and yes it is shit and expensive but way cheaper than fuel ,rego and insurance.These days If I want a road trip I hire a car and stay in a nice hotel.
I hope you hire an EV.
@@les_spoddy4073 Nope usually a Beemer.
This has to be one of your most critically diverse retorts to car industry BS to date I would say and I loved every minute of it. Keep it up
Spot on. Even as a "woke" lefty type, this is absolute truth. Great points on the things we can do reduce emissions, save money, fuel etc. The Rant from Toyota only really exposed themselves.
Speaking of mass transit, Perth just opened its Airport Line from the city to Perth Airport and its going to take a whole chunk of cars off the road. Fast, easy to use and is going to save people a whole lot of money and driving. Only $5 at most too.
been waiting all my life for an airport line at Melbourne. will save a lot of co2 car emissions once built some time when I'm an old age pensioner, then one can jet off on some frivolous journey and spew out emissions somewhere else
Brisbane has one but built with a shitty PPP 'Private Public Partnership' so it costs $20 per person one way... it needs to be subsidised if we are serious about this stuff.
My biggest chore that pee's me off driving to the airport and back to drop family off,we do have a public transport bus from where we live but it's not so great to use with luggage
"Like mugging someone on chemo" made me piss myself.
I am grateful for learning from you. Thank you John
Hi John, I just want to thank you and congratulate you for saying things as they are. I find your episodes funny and very informative.Well done!!!
Hi John,
I’m a Diesel Mechanic and your comment about the forklift out the back is exactly what is wrong about peoples perception of vehicle emissions. We as a society berate each other over net zero and tightening vehicle emissions, however the forklift or any other “Plant” equipment is overlooked. Plant equipment does not have to comply with ADR 80/03 standards. Plant equipment usually runs engines that were designed in the 80’s or 90’s and just rebranded as an industrial engine. If we were serious about emissions we’d be worrying about the plant that loads our freight.
The more I think about it I just can’t disagree with your perception that it’s all just about virtue signalling.
P.S. we’ve done amazing things already with emission standards. Nobody chokes on the old Leyland buses from the 70’s and 80’s anymore and new shit pulls like a teenage boy.
Toyota has been selling electric forklifts for decades…
LPG forklifts are far more common than diesel ones (the fuel is cheaper).
Great video, hurling some serious truth bombs. The cost/benefit point you make with of all cars being electric only saving 8% of total emissions does not seem like a good return on the investment to me either. In any other commercial operation decisions made around sustainability is always "how can I get the biggest return on my investment?" Start with the "cheap" easy options, then work up to the harder to implement options, not sure that EV's and all the associated infrastructure is getting the best bang for buck.
John, I have a V6 but reducing freeway speed from 110 to 100 kms I have reduced consumption by 15%. great vid. Thanks, Carl
Get out of the way, Carl.
@@camberwellcarrot420 Left lane only ! go for it!
Well spoken. I agree, it is manifestly obvious that it would be far more effective to change the way that we power our industries than to produce thousands of vehicles with heavy batteries so that we can exercise our "freedom". Steel production is of course a biggie. Much easier for mining equipment revolving in relatively small predictable circles to be electric for example. Also many agricultural vehicles likewise. Plastics not made from oil etc. Acknowledging what you say about mass transport around metropolitan areas.
As an Australian I don't see EVs as a big factor in reducing carbon emissions. Most of our fuel is imported and most of our electricity is produced from locally sourced fuels or from renewable sources. So EVs may not be as clean as their marketers pretend but they are much better for our national security in not being dependent on imported fuel.
National security and specifically transportation fuel security trumps carbon emissions by an order of magnitude. The maths is fascinating to me and it shows people are being bullshitted in an epidemic way. Let's start with 200Kg of CO2 emitted for each Kwh of Lithuim batteries vs 360g of CO2 for every litre of tailpipe emissions from petrol. That changes the starting line before the race even begins. The conversation really needs to change and be more realistic. Specifically about local action
In that context the obvious solution is to cease exporting energy sources for sale overseas.
@@DerykRobosson Yes. In Western Australia the gas extraction companies have to sign up to reserving a fixed proportion for the WA market at a reasonable price. This has been a multi-party policy and we are currently seeing the benefits. No country or state that uses gas or oil should be exporting all of its production and then buying its needs at inflated international prices. What were the federal and eastern state governments thinking?
I have to say that I agree with Toyota. Worrying about the climate is a first world problem that only rich liberals in California and New York have time to worry about.
Most folks don’t have the money for electric cars, we are more worried about inflation, war, etc. Any place were electric cars sell well is thanks to subsidies and handouts, again benefiting the rich. There is also the problem of range at highway speed and cold weather performance.
I know they’ve made their share of gas guzzlers but keep in mind that they basically last twice as long as other trucks so overall emissions might not be as bad as it seems.
Im sure a lot of horse riders back in the day wish they could afford model t fords as well. suck it up, Electric cars are still for those with disposable income. price will trend downard, until then quit being poor. ta
@@Fanta.... except it isn’t trending downward, and they said it would in 2018. Study economics and then a little thermodynamics and then get back to me.
EVs don’t make sense for anything bigger than a Prius.
Like you, I am not wealthy enough to afford an electric vehicle or put an off-grid power system in my house but I sure as hell worry about the effects CC is having on our way of life and look to do whatever I can at my level to change my ways. I don't know your age but I have lived long enough to see that the good life my generation had is threatening the life of my children and grandchildren. This is not about what one car company thinks or woke people in California, it is about what everyone on the planet does from here on regarding all the things that create greenhouse gas emissions. We consume or use a mountain of products every day that are responsible for global warming and many of them are not necessary. If each and every one of us started looking at that area of our lives then we can make a difference but we are all waiting for the big silver bullet to come from the technology gods that will solve the problem so we don't have to face any inconvenience whatsoever. Just look into how much excess clothing is shipped to Africa from first-world countries and scrap white goods and electronics for "recycling" but ends up on rubbish dumps next to communities and is burnt. It is not just an issue for wealthy woke Californians, its an issue for us.
@@alistairshanks5099 everything you said is valid, my problem is people who have a Tesla to go to Starbucks and then drive their giant truck across country, then claim they are saving the environment. The bottom line is, anything worthwhile takes sacrifice.
@@thomas735 Sounds like Leonardo in his private jest on the way to a WEF forum....
A lot of IF's there. If we have electric cars, IF we charge them via Wind and Solar and IF there is such a charger at Dingo Piss Creek
still only 8% nonetheless...
Corporate Australia is just alike pulling cones. The more you suck, the higher you get. As in, your chin hitting more balls than Boonies friggin Bat.
Cobber. Ok, Right, Dude.
Better back to square one. Is the CO2 thing real? Climate was never stable according to the geological record and climate changes on neighboring planets as well. Is CO2 in climate matters a lie, bullshit, or something different entity? It seems facts incompatible. "But but but but SCIENCE! Don't you subscribe to the religion of science as represented by billionaires, bankers, politicians and the scientists they sponsor?
Knocked this one out of the park, John (AFAIC). Tanks loads!
I've got that book. This bloke on TH-cam told me it was worth reading.
Probably the Tesla dirty tricks department drafted that for gp.
Good to see Toyota getting plenty of use out of their buzz word generator
This video is an excellent example of Brandolini’s Law.
“The amount of energy required to refute bullshit is an order of magnitude greater than to create it”
Agree with the comment on WFH. Practical and sensible. It's a city killer. Love it. And the oil companies can go jump.
The hybrid forklift in a shed 😂, may as well have been a solar powered light in a thunder box.
One thing the Coronavirus did for society was vastly increase online shopping and companies suddenly offering delivery. Our chemist would deliver our prescriptions for $5, I mean who could be bothered driving to the chemist when it’s delivered to your door so cheaply. Bunnings delivered to my place for $10 which again to me was a bargain. One small car delivering dozens of prescriptions or one van making a dozen drop offs makes so much sense but alas now the worst is over most people are going back to the way things were. It’s a shame because like working from home it saved tons of fuel and emissions and even reduced accidents and deaths on the road. If the Toyota PR guy was going back 20 years I’m surprised he didn’t mention “growing” the business. That was one of those trendy or in today’s language woke phrases that I hate. You expand a business and you grow plants. Fucking stupid trendy phrase.
“Growing the business” how I used to hate that phrase
One of your best rants yet.
Thanks for the enlightenment.
Regards Tony
100% agree, selling and consuming more is not the long term answer. Covid lockdowns proved the concept, as to how society still functions (in key areas), without gridlocked roads and peak hour traffic. Toyota were ahead with hybrid, but they didn't do much with it - never been their main goal to sell more efficient / low emission vehicles. We definitely need a range of better options.
I calculated my CO2 emissions of going to work vs WFH. In my case, going to the office is the lesser evil. The office is only 15 minutes away. WFH implies running an airconditioner all day and that’s done using oil for my area. YMMV.
Could you utilise rooftop solar & an RCAC?
@@guringai No need for heating here, some type of solar assisted AC would be interesting for the hottest, driest months. But during the monsoon months it's overcast most of the day, yet hot and humid and we still need AC.
Hi John, just wondering about something you said at 20 minutes and 4 seconds of this podcast you said. 'We don't have that long to take effective action.'
I'm not a mechanical engineer. But my uncle is an atomic engineer, my father is an electrical engineer, my brother is a chemical engineer, my sister is an electrical engineer and my other brother is a computer scientist. And I work at fixing things.
You said 'we don't have that long to take effective action'. I'm very glad you said tha,t because now we all can find out exactly how much time we have. So you must know?
I would really love to find out the exact time. Or are you, maybe using some of that book, to help your argument.
My middle name is Brian by the way.
Love the podcast. Keep up the good work my friend.
12 years aparently
@@mattc9009 *Apparently. Quick, fix it before he sees!
Type 20:00 to make a link. Bet yr bro knows.
So far, all the predictions of doom allegedly made by the alleged scientific consensus and repeated ad-nauseam by the mainstream media, the many greentard gazettes on the internet, etc, have shown that whoever is on the right side of this man-made climate change theory will be on the wrong side of history. So, don’t expect your question to be answered because bullshit always takes refuge in some vestigial amount of truth (no matter how small). Of course, we as inhabitants of this planet, are going to have an impact on its climate, by the same logic, filling your tires with nitrogen will make a difference from filling them with air. But in a car, paying 20$ per tire to replace air that was already 78% nitrogen seems to have a similar diminished return as to ruin a country’s economy and global competitiveness and drive many millions into poverty or even death by hypothermia just for the sake of virtue signalling. Once upon a time, there was a hypocrite who said that extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. What kind of evidence is this that cannot even differentiate the human from the natural component of climate change and demands are made to apply a cure that is demonstrably a lot worse than the alleged disease (take a look at Europe…).
I wish they would not call CO2 an emission. Emmissons should be limited to pollutants like NOx emissions. One should group their cars carbon footprint as an overall footprint.
EVs are the ultimate in greenwashing. Spend billions in transforming, yet save only 8%. The government like it though because it's the consumer who pays, it looks like something is happening and they avoid the expensive and politically difficult task of tackling the big emitters. On Toyota, what else are they going to say? Unless they are forced, they will continue to sell the cars on which they make a heap of money. If consumers don't like it, they can vote with their wallet.
Thanks for pointing out the role that good, efficient public transit can play for getting people around!
👍🏻👍🏻 Quite brilliant, John!
As a mechanic for 40yrs WTF my bullshit meter has its needle wraped around the goal post!... Unfunkingbelievable!
The good stuff starts at 10:14.
Especially after saying: "We'll get straight into it..."
Good grief John just make a start mate.
How many table clamp sets does one shed need?
All of them obviously
Ha ha John you think public transport is shit in Australia! Try New Zealand if you want really shit PT.
That Kodak moment?
You've nailed it Toyota.
Cynically I call my 8km/litre 1974 VW camper a hybrid car because I have several times driven it electrically 10 to 20 metres out of its estimated 0.1km electric range ... on the starter motor when something fell off at a road junction...
John, got anything to say about Mazda's new line of CX-60 as of like, today I think - dude. In the line up is a 3.3 Litre "Hybrid Boost" Diesel Motor option (among two petrol options). I wept when I realised that now a soccer mum car has the largest capacity diesel motor on the mainstream market, besides shitbox farm ute cruisers.. To me, this displays a disconnect between the two departments, the SUV guys and the Ute guys, the ute market is screaming for bigger capacities as people try to haul their overloaded campers to dingo-piss creek, trying to flog their 2.4L up Sugarloaf getting nowhere, or tradies with heavy tray and canopies, also in tow with a caravan. I get the whole fuel savings bullcrap but when it comes to heavy weights, one thing remains true which is there is no replacement for displacement. You can turbo and bi-turbo and put all the crap on it you want but the fact is these newer utes feel like slugs when loaded up (as their intended purpose is... I think?).
Ok so like to the point, this release shows they are confident they can get the best of both words, high capacity with fuel economy with the hyrbrid, why do you think they didn't think to bring this into the BT-50? They can obviously build a diesel engine they back if they are releasing in this 'higher end' (in Mazda terms) offering. It would be good to maybe even have the option between a Mazda platform and Isuzu platform. This market is missing powertrain OPTIONS in Utes like the American market has.
Anyway I just think it would be good to talk about this, build some discussion on this and maybe gauge from the comments/feedback on this topic to see if others agree and if the market agrees or I'm in a minority that give a shit.
I saw a bloke the other day driving a shitty polluting Mitsubishi triton diesel.
You're right the emissions produced during manufacture of vehicles makes it very difficult to reach carbon zero.
That's why 'green steel' is important.
Qld's energy plan proposes using renewable electricity and hydrogen to make green steel at Gladstone.
If there were no emissions during manufacture, then the steel avoids import duties from the EU and other markets.
Green steel is a big opportunity for Australia.
John has also made many points around supply of EVs as well as the global shortage of materials such as lithium and nickel. How can we produce any notable supply of EVs for at least several years given these shortages??There is no way we can meet these Government EV mandates either. I wish politicians understood these economic factors as well as the high prices of these vehicles.
About transit:
Your trolley/streetcar system needs to connect to the subway.
If there is passenger rail nearby, transit should go right into the station.
If you have an airport, transit should go to the terminal(s).
If there is a shopping mall, transit should go to the mall not the far edge of the parking lot.
Buses are the worst form of rapid transit and should be avoided if you can.
If you want to keep the "homeless" off the transit, solve the homeless problem don't do things that also stop the working poor from using transit
Transit should run 24/7 with reduced service in the off hours and a massive fleet moving during the busy hours because if there is no transit or the trolley is full folks will drive to and back from where they are going.
Stop or slow down new sales.
Make repair required regardless of time
Stop planned obsolescence
capitalism has left the chat..
Solid 6 minutes of donning the slander armour. Now onward, to battle!
Some serious bullshit coming out of the mouthpiece of Toyota. Woke? No. Utterly on another plane of reality.
Humanity will never be carbon free, it’s a fantasy.
Was just thinking today that cars should be required to display a sticker on the windscreen saying how much CO2 emissions were created in the production of the car.
Up there with your best work John, had “facehurt” from laughing, thanks for the show.
‘off the reservation’ is a phrase with a dark past.
hardy ha ha..
@@petesmittI remember that cartoon Hyena
"Toyota's always on the back foot"
Wouldn't it be fair to say that the Prius made the idea of a super "green" car cool? I mean, every celebrity wanted to be seen in one, when they came out. Although, maybe that wasn't really Toyota setting the trend, but identifying an opportunity to cash in on the trend already emerging.
I kinda answered my own question as I thought that through.
Sure, Prius was viewed as kind of cool and green 20+ years ago but what has Toyota done since then? Apart from the Mirai which, as John rightly points out, is practically impossible to actually buy (and not only in Australia, I might add), Toyota’s current crop of green models are just different versions of the same thing the Prius was 20+ years ago.
That watch would still tick in the Chernobyl core. Is it a Geiger counter as well. By the way the clicks glasses are great, well they were until my students kept laughing at me clicking them on and off like a bobbing head on my old Falcon dash.
Great one as always. I saw another TH-cam vid on ‘Why Toyota Refuses To Jump Onto The EV Bandwagon’ by Logically Answered. They raised some interesting points. Anyway don’t mean to hijack your comments. 🤙🏽
The Sunday times news paper had autonomous electic paper roll carries 30 years ago, so not much advancement. Just like 70series ads going on about its new safety features everyone else had 10-15 years ago.
It seems that John spends more time listening and reacting to Toyota's corporate communications than he does in the world of Toyota products and their customers. Toyota's hybrid system has dominated sales in the segments it has been introduced not because Toyota's PR department spins a good yarn, but because it delivers tangible value to drivers (i.e. a significant reduction in real-world fuel consumption coupled with modest improvements to power output and refinement) at only modest additional cost over a standard ICE vehicle. This is a Goldilocks formula that other technologies and manufacturers have seemingly been unable to match. PHEVs and BEVs remain too expensive for mainstream adoption, mild hybrids deliver only trivial returns, while most alternative hybrid systems from other manufacturers deliver inferior returns and charge more for the privilege -- that is, if they offer such vehicles in Australia at all.
Thanks for taking the time to speak truth to power! Australia’s corporate-political game of mates is holding us back from scientifically/effectively addressing this issue.
P.s. Australia wake up and start looking beyond the Toyota dealerships - they are not as loyal to you as you are to them and their vehicles are laughably behind the competition.
You phuking nailed it,
Stooges can't see it sadly
Nonsense!!!!! What do you mean by that!!!
Toyota makes the best cars. Therefore they are way better for the environment because they last twice as long!
You can buy electric Toyota Hilux utes in Australia. Just not from a Toyota dealer.
There is a company in South Australia that directly imports the chassis and fits the drive train for mining industry customers.
@@rfmonkey4942 Are you referring to TFBs ?
well said! as always. once you decide to run for an Office I'll move to Shitsville to vote for you.
22:22 There was or is still an electric Nova Bus.. A Nova Bus LFSE on display for a drive in Halifax NS in Feb 2023. .
Great vid John, great work, the truth sometimes is hard to hear.
Well done.
The new Yaris hybrid uses a lithium-ion battery; very expensive, though. It seems that they in fact use both in other models, depending on supply.
Doesn't this come down to the consumer? If people honestly disagreed with what Toyota are saying and doing then consumer wallets would be doing the talking. Just look at how many hybrids they sell, and how many more they would be selling if they had the chips to do so. If people disagree with them, then simply shop elsewhere and Toyota will switch gear in a heartbeat. If the hybrids and ICE cars are left in the showrooms then Toyota will change. But when they are flying off the floor it is hard to blame the manufacturer for supplying a product the people want. Especially in an environment and infrastructure that simply can't handle an immediate shift to ev. I think a mix of ev and hydrogen is the end game to aim for. However, we can't blame KFC for the obesity crisis when there's a Subway next door. Consumers need to take some responsibility.
Peter Wherrit was talking about electric buses in 1080 for Sydney and the government of that era told him yo piss off.
the Victorian (AU) opposition leader recently said if he gets in, public transport will be $2 a day (how would this be possible seeing it's not government owned) at current fuel prices, toll roads and parking fees (and fines if including costs on an average) surely this would be a massive saving for a lot of people if they can bring themselves to get into a bus/train.. also reduce the need for road work/maintenance and wear and tear on current cars and pollution from tyre rubber going into water ways etc (hadn't heard those emissions mentioned often either). i don't believe he's going to get in, and maybe he doesn't either and is why he's put this proposition out there for the current mob to GET SOME PRESSURE about while they are in going through the motions (blah blah blah etc.. where is Greta by the way)
Poor old Tojo, you give them both barrels, but they are deserving of it.
I almost did a Morrison/ takeaway download in my trousers laughing!
13:20 Shit NiCad batteries dont have thermal runaway like LiFoPo and watch your car go up in flames! Firies can't put the fire out.
@ Sailing Citrine Sunset .Get your facts correct before commenting and looking like a fool. LiFePo4 (which is what I think you meant , but got confused) does not suffer from thermal runaway. Lithium ion does.
@@Ozsmallbore battery chemistry is better but not totally out of the woods… faulty or incorrect battery management system and heat has caused lifepo4 to runaway.
The most important part of moving to EVs isn't the CO2 emissions. It's stopping all the other poisonous emissions being spewed out in population centres. The air was so much cleaner during the lockdowns
I look at my purchases funded by fuel savings since WFH. Quite good.
Everyone is proposing a solution but what is exactly the problem?
Here we go again, when it comes to EVs, yes do look at CO2, but the MOST IMPORTANT point is the elimination of polluting, toxic, exhaust fumes! Australia is the perfect place for generating most of the electricity from renewables so keep on with this and continue to eliminate polluting forms of electricity generation, your lungs will thank you!
I fight to de-carbonise, but only when my car's head has some red hot carbon allowing it to run even after it's turned off.
And is not carbon different to CO2 ?
How can you dismiss a hybrid forklift? They do so much regen when driving on flat warehouse floors.... Oh wait.... 🤔
Electric forklifts have been a Toyota product for decades…
Absolutely no point in a hybrid forklift.
We need more plumbers working for Toyota. Mine unequivocally told me that my shit stinks!
Not related, but this is my Toyota DPF story:
I buy a Hilux & it's fine for a while..... then the DPF light comes on & doesn't go off.
They "clean" the system & it's fine for a while more.....
Then it gets recalled & I get a all new button to perform my own burn.
So I do this as instructed with no real issues, except more fuel being used.
Then on a regular service they removed the button & remapped the ECU, without telling me.
Now the vehicle uses HEAPS of fuel, & I mean it's like a syphen.
I complained but to no avail as they did the NASA thing & said "it has to be"
So.......
I looked into the class action which was one of the biggest scams ever. They want YOUR personal bank account information to "decide" if you get anything..... simply infuriating to me & others.
There's more but I'm sure you get what I'm saying......... oh, what a feeling
Actually it is Deloitte, the class action law firm's outsourced disbursement facilitator.
D I V E R S I T Y - woke word of the day.
Go watch some of The Critical Drinker's movie reviews (rants). I guarantee that you won't be disappointed.
@@attilajuhasz2526 T H E M E S S A G E
All vehicle manufacturing has an environmental cost, I would suspect a Hybrid Camry would have a smaller "footprint" in that regard than a Tesla model X or Y. Toyota makes nine million cars a year? So what? Tesla would too if they had the manufacturing capacity and sales volume.
If you want to talk about real world affect on the operating environment. I would say the Humble Prius and Camy Hybrid have had a much larger positive impact than all the EVs in the country.
These Toyotas are out there slugging it out 24/7 as taxis, and have been for over 15 years returning much lower costs to their operators than the Falcons they replaced (I own a Falcon BTW) and pumping less pollution into the towns they run around all day, every day.
They are not full EVs, but they have provided a working solution to a real world problem for well over a decade.. We both know that for the most part, no EV currently on the market could do what the hybrid has.
I would therefore argue that Toyota has done more for large cities in Australia with their Hybrid range, than all other manufacturers have with their full EVs.
Adding a few of these, simply because I know it pisses you off........................ and I also know that if you choose to read this on air, you will do it in that annoying nasal voice, so I wanted to get the first shot in. :)
You are correct, as was the Toyota bloke, but then Cadogan needs controversial content for utube..
I was trying to take in your points but was constantly distracted by that nuclear reactor with a watch on it.
I can not see Hydrid cars being "a thing" in the future. Such a stupid idea, carry around some heavy, bad tech batteries, and then charged them with the most inefficient generator imaginable!
Gold plated honesty and clarity, once again. Hope the cease and desist aren't forth coming.
You hit the nail on the head with the way to drastically reduce carbon emissions,good public transport working from home and your other one rooftop solar,it was so liberating during lockdown driving through the city when i was able,no traffic hassles society has to change to achieve this but their are too many that will lose dollars in the real estate industry is my guess ,lots of other adjusments to be made.Also why didn't you mention the burning of fossil fuels as well as a carbon producing problem.8% i would have thought higher than that.
I’m waiting for Toyota to sell their hybrids with a subscription service model. If you want to offset your co2 emissions, you can pay for a subscription to use the batteries in the boot.
My Ryobi 36v Mower hasn't missed a beat in nearly 5 years. So light and easy to use, the good lady wife mows the lawn too. Nothing has fallen off, all in one piece. Speaking of things falling off, my previous petrol mower was losing bolts and bits all the time, which is why i bought the 36V mower
Hydrogen for commercial use (trucks have weight budgets that current batteries would eat into too much, and time spent attached to a charging point is time not spend on the road making money). If hydrogen is for commercial use you wouldn't need as many refuelling sites; a few in the industrial area truck stops and one every 50km or so on the highways should be fine. Hybrid or battery for private use.
The quickest and cheapest way to reduce emissions though is to simply buy a smaller car and drive it less often (and that will likely do more for emissions than upheaving entire industries to switch to EV). Good luck getting people to not buy a LandCruiser to run errands in though; how else will they be able to tell the world they're driving something that's put them 2 weeks away from bankruptcy?
"It was poetry in motion.", he extolled. J.C. blinded them with science.
I think one of the biggest takeaway is it is always overlooked that going to fully EV would achieve energy independence the importance of this could never be understated, could you imagine being no longer at the back and call of the oil industry
Instead, we'd be at the beck and call of the rare earth industry.....
@@davidnobular9220 not so much lithium batteries can be remanufactured
@@davesmith342 Not without cost....
We need to make some allowances for Sean Hanley - he and the other Toyota Australia senior executives are probably still being treated for post-traumatic shock following the release of the VFACTS September sales figures, with EV sales jumping up to 7.7% of market and battery EVs outselling hybrids & PHEVs combined. If Hyundai & Kia deliver on their next-gen battery powertrain with 50% range improvement around 2025, it's all over for hybrids, PHEVs and H2-FCEVs and H2-ICE vehicles.
EV nerd detected..
@@petesmitt Your point?
Well said.
We get it John, but how much pollution will toyota be emitting to make EV car if they decide to go full EV next year?
I thought making EV produce more carbon foot print to conventional petrol/diesel vehicle?
Got that right dude
I think its more polluted in the short run. Only in the long run ev becomes less
Production is more for a EV but it doesn't take long for the ICE vehicle emissions to overtake the EV. Worst case charging a EV off coal only it's less then 100,000km before the ICE emissions are more. It's like 20k if the EV is charged from renewables. Also new EVs will out last a modern ICE vehicle. LFP battery is good for well over a million km. Not many ICE last that long anymore.
The thing is Greenpeace has also subscribed to the myth that electric cars are zero emission vehicles, this ignores that the electric grid which powers them is also largely fossil fueled. It does this while berating Toyota for spreading misinformation. When it comes to cars and the environment there is really just bad and less bad at the moment.
The life cycle of cars is very long. A car company designs a new platform that might take 6 plus years to develop. Once the platform hits the market it will probably be produced for about 10 years (with various mid cycle facelifts and refreshes). Then the cars themselves will last maybe 14 years on average before they reach the end of their life. So, from start to finish that is about 3 decades and ICE vehicles are still being developed today. There simply isn't the capacity to produce batteries to transition away from ICE's today and there probably wont be for a decade or two. Ice vehicle are going to be around for a long time yet and plenty of those old hybrids are still going.
The use of old battery tech in hybrids makes sense. It doesn't take lithium away from other applications, and the batteries are small so there isn't a huge weight penalty. Nickle metal hydride batteries self level and have proven to last a long time and safely accept a high rate of charge. Hybrids are only around 5% heavier than their conventional cousins despite using NiMH batteries.
When it comes to the development of new technology, from the lab to production might be 15 years. The whole of that 15 years it is just sucking up cash by the truck load and delivering no return. Any company that makes this commitment is going to want decades long returns to make it worth their while. Greenpeace is effectively demanding Toyota abandon its asset, ceases to promote it, and transitions to something that the world doesn't have the resources to do at the moment, and is arguably only slightly better for the environment.
You are making sense; please cease and desist.
Got to agree a little ... the Prius really got people comfortable with electric vehicles
He did not talk about forklift regen that is standard on nearly all electric ones. Recapturing the braking energy does help, but not really that much, low single digits extension of range.
Thanks for the deeper look at the problem beyond the usual sales spin put out by dealers, green groups, and politicians.
They have had electric forklifts for many years nothing new here.
Owning an EV I'd disagree, especially coming down hills. Regen makes sense & works well, & friction brakes are rarely used, so pads last literally forever.
Electric trains do it too for the same reason.
Which company is the industry leader in state of the art bullshit? I'm sure the competition at the top is pretty fierce.
Ford.
“Export grade bullshit”. Thanks John. Stealing that one.
There is no "climate problem" and CO2 is not a pollutant; it is plant food. Suburbia was a solution to the poor living standards in cities during the industrial era, an era that in turn was itself a solution to poverty in agrarian societies, agrarian societies were a solution to hunter gatherers etc. You can't "solve" an imaginary problem. If you said pollution in cities was a problem then yes electric vehicles might help with that.
This is why I am refraining from buying new cars. I will try to get the most of our current cars. If I need a new car, I will buy used car. Much better than actually buying a new electric car.
For you to buy a new 2nd hand car, someone else has to buy a new new car. People buy EVs not only for emissions reasons, depending on use cases, they can be better than a combustion car. Quieter, smoother, no local air pollution and no visiting a petrol station.
@@zoltrix7779 I bought a new Mazda back in the 80's and converted it to dedicated propane, a very clean burning fuel; I keep renewing parts as needed but after over 300,000 km's, the original drivetrain is still in good condition and will likely see me out; sure, newer vehicles are safer but all that technology ensures that modern vehicles will be too expensive to repair, so will be scrapped at great cost to the environment and to owners that have to replace them.
Here in the uk, we have low emission zones, where older cars pay to enter those zones and new cars are either free or very cheap.. so whats the difference between a 20 Yr old car that is mechanically sound returning 50mpg and a new car also returning 50mpg?
Surly if the amount burnt is the same then the co2 levels are equal? Or am I just wrong?
Like to ask one thing. I have heard the Toyota Rav hybrid head lights are $ 5000 Australian each to replace . But can only buy as pair. Is this true?
Yes
Did someone say F.A.T.?
3:50 "The bullshitter is under no such restriction (vs. the liar)"
That shows the lie about the rEVolution: EVs are not the Second Coming (unless you worship Electric Jesus, that is). This is not to excuse Toyo's corporate indolence, nor its mediocrity.
Carbon is not an enemy.