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I haven’t got a racing rig at all but I must say that your course seems like very good value for money. (I don’t know Scott other than as a subscriber to his channel).
Somewhere in the middle, I have found it is very hard to race at 90% consistently. Of course being a sim, it is always fun to go 100% until you are bouncing off the guard walls and just reset without consequence but that is not what real racing is like. I hope to see more sim racing videos ! P.S. I couldn't imagine what 24 hours of SPA would be like. I am happy to put in 3 good laps and take a nap. It must be fun and draining at the same time.
still better than my setup.... it must be worth 50 euro or less... I have a 13 year old DFGT (paddles don't work so use the shifter) on a desk and an office chair (i removed the wheels)... Effing COVID i saved 2K euro to buy some entry level pedals and steering... all gone :( still i did SPA in 1.53.5 with the previous update of the MX5 which is slower, so YAY to me. But I will say this, the desk is better than that rig, at least the desk is solid and doesn't move around
@Driver61 Hey, Callum. Artur Skibior here. So I did few laps... and you said AC was about 1 second faster? Well, so I did ~2:56.5... and then just kept going. Few more laps later at the end on hotlap session I did 2:53.687 which is almost as fast James Baldwin if we will keep using that 1 second as more or less difference between iRacing and Assetto Corsa. And that actually was with quite a few mistakes and didn't use whole track in few places... So I can do better than that... So I guess World's Fastest Gamer has nothing on me xD I did use auto clutch, auto blip and ABS, hope that's not cheating, and streamed that session on this channel. Kind of curious how many mistakes could be found in my best lap...
that's not true. for other games, you can say if better equipment doesn't bring better results, then it's not worth it. but for sim racing, it's more about the immersion of driving a race car without breaking a bank, not that 'i'll either gain that half second or it's nothing at all i get'. in this video, if anything, the better equipment is worth every penny for the added realism and immersion
@@Tlll123 He said "If I did this on the professional rig my times would be very similar". Or something of that exact nature. So yeah, the expensive stuff is worth it... But if you can't afford it then they've proven it really doesn't matter that much.
$10k could get you a real reasonable used track car (like a Miata/MX5) and a decent amount of entries to autocross or track days if real feeling is what matters....
It's the same in many hobbies - there are people who will run LAPS around you on a cheap road bike even if you've got a £10k carbon fibre all singing all dancing bike.
You get more consistent with the bigger things. I've never tried a direct drive, but the difference between those entry wheels like logitech and thrustmaster compared to fanatec's CSL-whatever really makes a difference on the limit.
@@ickerolig It does, though I feel brake type makes more of a difference than wheel drive. A loadcell brake is much easier to use than a potentiometer one. The brain judges force applied better than distance.
Ah here we go. Another whining child who cant afford even the shitty rig though simping for a gamer who underestimates himself to not look bad infront of the person's audience. Why would he test it when he already plays on rigs like that? Its pointless and the only difference would be the feel of the pedals and force feedback.
Am I'm the only one interested in James time in pro-sim? To be precise I want to know Callums time in budget seat too. I mean fast driver will be always fast, no joke, but how much time could usual gamer gain just by upgrading his seat?
I don't know how much I gained with a better wheel, because it coincided with a switch from console to PC and a different game. However, a swap from an ancient, wobbly, Gameracer rig to a rock solid Sim Lab GT1 Evo gave me almost half a second a lap. Also, much easier to run kerbs and catch slides.
imo really not much, just as he said, and for us commoners even less. The point of sim driving doesn't have to be the result as much as it should be having a blast while pushing yourself to your limit Id like to add. So upgrading your hardware always makes sense imo
If expensive rigs didn't help achieving that few extra tenths none would buy them. A Pro benefits more from a better equipment than a Rookie, of course. But yeah, would love to see a direct comparison of their own times on both rigs
@@toccandocreacanaleulterior176 at least in Live For Speed, there are MANY fast players who play with keyboard and mouse, as with mouse, you arent limited to turning the wheel, but can just flick your wrist and turn
@@toccandocreacanaleulterior176 Its one of the best sim games ive played, tried some others, but all of them have been meh, lfs just feels amazing, there are ppl who have learned to drift irl from LFS, so I guess its realistic enough.
Pro drivers are just finding the limit and then once it’s found they can settle in... and then stay just at that limit, theoretically. Amateur drivers are never as capable of knowing exactly where that limit is, no matter the kit. That’s been my experience... I am just stating the obvious IG. It is amazing to see a pro find that limit in unfamiliar car in person and how that immediately changes their driving approach.
But in a realistic environment the limit never stays in one place. Tires go off, fuel burns out, track temp changes. In my years as a simracer I competed against pretty amazing opponents, some of whom later raced against current stars and real pro drivers. And the first thing that strikes me about the really talented ones, they learn the tracks quicker, they adjust to cars, setups, conditions A LOT quicker. In essence, they take a lot less to adjust to things. I was pretty good at staying on the limit and posting times within a tenth or two at Le Mans, for example, but I often had a situation when in practice I'd be going for an hour getting to a quick time and a decent setup, and they'd join and arrive at the same time after 10 minutes. Ultimately, they'd end up being just a few tenths quicker than me, but it looked so effortless.
True, me an amateur always finding that limit hard sometimes I feel like the car would oversteer or the line I'm taking sucks, from what I've realized also is that I always wanted to go above my limit brake later entry faster which if it was executed properly it would be few tenths faster but most of the time I would only lose time, so difficult finding my own pace.
@@Pandamasque I can count myself a talented amateur then. For league races in ACC my fellow competitors were often practicing hours on multiple days while I just showed up with 30 minutes or so practice left. Put on the default aggressive setup and I was on the pace in the race. If the setup and car works for me 3-4 flying laps is enough to feel alright.
Ugh. I sold my rig. Trakracer tr8 mach3 T300rs alcantera . T3pa pro add on with load cell mod. Very nice rig. I just never really had a good run to enjoy it like I wanted to. The guy that bought it loves it and uses it daily so that makes me happy. It was a great beginner mid setup!
Put him on the good rig for a back to back comparison.... What I learned here; is that a budget rig is just as fast, but you need to know how to be fast already. You can learn that alot quicker from quality feedback, rather than the trial and error on the budget rig. World fastest gamer: I can't feel anything right now but I just see and know what to do.
Do you ask people if they rather have a choice or not? Nobody is born rich and the trail of errors is the way to success. The more knowledge you have that works on the budget rig the more you will know how to use that knowledge for the real sh*t. You will learn nothing if you aimlessly attempt to handle the 10k rig and it will take just as much time as learning from scratch.
I've been using a super old Logitech Driving Force GT for about 4 years now. I used a friend's rig with a Dd1 and some fancy load cells and within 2hrs I dropped lap times across the board pretty significantly. 2 seconds at most of the longer tracks. It wasn't the wheel though. It was the brakes. I can't even begin to explain how much more efficient I was able to brake and how much that helped my times. I was able to brake deeper, trail brake more efficiently, didn't have to rely on ABS, was able to rotate the car better too. The throttle felt better too which helped with more accurate throttle input. His seat was also better so I just felt more comfortable compared to my creaky old seat with arm rests that hit my right arm when turning. I don't think the seat help my lap times as much as it just helped the general consistency from lap to lap from being comfortable. So my big lesson was when it comes time to upgrade, get a set of load cells and for now skip the expensive fancy wheel and base.
This. Good loadcell pedals make a world of a difference moreso than any wheel and base. When I went from the T3PA to the CS V3 - I instantly went a second faster within a few rounds. On the other hand steering is just steering. Most wheels have 900° anyway. So the movement itself remains the same. The difference is simply in the quality of feedback you get from the Force Feedback.
Agree 100%. My entry level load cell pedals cost more than my original entry level wheel and pedal set. It made a noticeable difference in consistency with the load cell brake pedal.
James is just an alien! Did you see his 1 vs 1 series with other sim racers. They chose game, car and track and just did a quick race. James can make anything go fast.
Not this time... on my first try, I'm 1'5 faster. VRS guys are 4 or 5 seconds faster and world record (with setup, not baseline) is 7 seconds faster...
The logitech G25 I used to have was perfectly use able to be competitive. I upgraded to a full fanatec setup and ally rig and I enjoy the "driving" sensation more now.
I was with James when he was competing for WFG at insomnia on our stand. It was very close between him and Isaac. He was on standard kit then as well but the quality shone through. James deserves his success and is a top lad. Loved the video, great idea 😎
That was a fun video, but I didnt know you guys had all these resources I have so much good stuff to read/watch! Means a lot to poor folk like myself you make this info free
I'd take it as a compliment!.. I'd almost pay money to have a pro driver analyze my driving on a rig that nice just so I could hear in person that I'm a shit driver!! :-D
I’m consistently the fastest in 90% of races on MX-5s at Laguna, Brands Hatch, Nord, Lime Rock. And I could do the same with practice anywhere else too. I use a G920. I’ve been driving for 3-4 years.
I mean, earlier this year we saw JV competing online against other real drivers using a game pad lol. There ya have it folks, its not the equipment. Its how you use it.
Good luck to James in his Motorsport career. Very interesting video, so it it's all about the talent and expensive equipment is just to make the driver feel comfortable? What about consistency? That's the thing that most people who've just spent a couple of grand on a direct drive wheel and rig claim. "I'm able to be more consistent" I'm not entirely convinced that's true as I've been able to get consistent times with all my ribs (since upgrading to a load cell pedal back in the TX days) personally I think that's was the biggest single improvement that I've made to my equipment. A rock solid rig is next on my list when I take over the spare room.
it is like everything: - a trained soldier will be precise with any weapon - a newbie will be preciser with better equipment, but not better than the trained one - a professional guitarist will play very clean and beautiful with the cheapest guitar - a beginner will sound better with an expensive guitar
Love your content. Great topic. Would have loved to see more of their driving than their faces. Especially after the fun reactions you guys were having.
Thanks for this video! It's made me realise that getting a fancy rig (mine is almost exactly the £200 one you used) is not going to help me get faster. I'm just not that good! Another money saving tip from the experts at Driver61 😄
Great video. I'll love to see a part two. The fast driver doing lap time back to back in both rigs. And then the slow driver doing the same. Lap time on both rigs.
I think the biggest difference was how far away from the monitor the driver is on the cheap rig. With a smaller monitor so far away the apexes and brake markers start to be quite small. Because it is a 2d screen the only way to judge distances is by the size of the objects and that becomes difficult when you have a small screen so far away.
My brother and I have been i-racing for the last year. We do back to mid pack rarely better then 3rd. I built a new computer and dropped 2 seconds on my best lap times. My brother used an old computer changed from a non force feedback wheel like I still use and dropped 2 to 3 seconds on most short races and a full minute on Nurburgring. Just as he hopes to upgrade soon I also hope to upgrade to the g920 like he did. For the record we raced miatas (mx-5) and were both over 1000 irating and now race Porsche gt3 and have to really do good to finish mid pack. My point is get the wheel and good luck it does help
I think the rig itself is more for the immersion of the player rather than lap times. I liked sim racing until I got a proper rig and equipment and now I am totally in love with it.
One thing that could be fun to see from you, is some explanations on how drivers survived and walked away from absolute monsters of a wreck in racing! On top of being a reaction video, you can talk about what went wrong to get the car to where it is, what the car is doing during the accident, how the track safety helps out, and how the car itself protects the driver during specific accidents...
Can you do a video on racing in the pack, I struggle on my vision and where to be focusing, if I look at the braking point I generally go into the back of the car in front, if I concentrate on the car in front I miss my turn in point and lose time. If I drive conservatively I end up getting punted from behind.
Ive used a thrustmaster T150 and now a thrustmaster TMX. I'm no alien but I can consistently finish on the podium or win in your standard ACC open lobby. Technique and racecraft are enough to compete at the top of regular lobbies
Why are you filming the guys and not the screen ? I see no point in watching a dude in a chair turning a wheel, I'd rather see his screen when he drives around track
Dream on. You know James is just being humble? If it doesn't matter James and all the pros would be running the G29/920. Instead they all spent fortunes on their rig.
@@nithulnath9331 The point James is trying to make is that driving skills and habit is more important that gear. Having shit skills and top tier gear is pointless (in terms of lap performance). But saying G29 is the same as a Fanatic DD, you have to be delusional.
@@LemtemPoktui I got, man. Without skills, top tier setup is pointless. But that doesn't take away the advantage we can get from that kind of a setup compared to a more usual one. Like you said , if they could get the same results from a G29, they don't have to spent so much on those expensive rigs. An amateur won't turn pro if he buys a top tier rig. But surely he could get an advantage using it compared to a lesser setup. But these guys saying that it won't make any difference somewhat resonates with the rich people and money quote. :)
The real gamechanger is VR. Proper wheel and pedals do help, but VR just completely changes everything. I still can't get anywhere near my times at Monza from when i tried VR for the first time almost 1000 laps earlier. The DOF simply isn't there unless you have a VR headset.
I believe better equipment doesn’t make you faster. Sure it might help with consistency. But the biggest thing with the better equipment is the feeling and enjoyment factor goes up 10fold. I used to have Fanatec CSLelite with LC pedals, now I have a Simucube Pro 2 and Meca Cup1 pedals. I’m not much faster if any but I definitely LOVE the feeling and enjoyment I get from it a LOT more.
I joined sim racing two weeks ago, I got that g920 and I am really enjoying the challenging experience to learn each track secrets. I am just jumping on the Lambo at Monza until I will feel comfortable to move on to other tracks. for now I know that what matter most is my muscle memory and learning each lap a bit more. It doesn't really matter which rig I use, so I am fine with it.
Got a barely used G920 off a mate for a case of beer. Got better springs and a true brake mod for the pedals and mounted it on a $99 Australian dollar wheel stand. Changed the castor wheels on my SecretLab gaming chair to locking rollerblade castors. It's definitely not glamorous and it's a little bit of a hastle to get a consistent distance between me and the pedals when I go to lock the chair wheels, but it works great and I'm having fun.
I have a G29 wich is simmilair to the G920, tried once on my mate's Fanatec stuff, drove within 3 or 4 laps the same laptimes. Biggest difference i think is that you are more consistant with a Fanatec or a more expensive steering wheel and pedals.
This just reaffirms what I’ve been saying within the assetto drift community, the rig doesn’t make you the better driver, but it helps you get there faster.
i would love to be able to afford the shit rig. I work 70 hours a week and can only afford Xbox controllers :( good video but a little upsetting seeing how spoilt some people act.
Similar situation at home! I recently upgraded my G25 to a VRS Direct force pro, still on the G25 pedals that I modded quite extensively, freemounted with 200kg loadcell etc. My son is using a Thrustmaster T150 and recently got the CSL loadcell pedals that made him a tad faster. I just can´t keep up with him and the main reason is he has way more time to drive than me. It´s way more immersive and easier to correct slides with a direct drive but it´s training that makes you fast.
This is a great video, but I think there's more to it. Hope the below makes sense: For an aspiring driver learning on a sim, quality of feedback,I believe, important to take mental measurements and experiment with small variations, to react accurately and in time. It matters for the learning process. A trained driver will process what is happening much more transparently and will need to rely a lot less on immediate feedback as they will have a much more developed intuition. So reactions will be more adequate regardless.
I think PlayStation did something like what were someone had a DualShock controller and controlled the car with the controller but there was no screen so it basically was just a big rc car
That was the funniest introduction to someone I've seen on this channel. "This is Callum, he works for Driver61 and he crashed my Mazda MX-5 last week."
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I haven’t got a racing rig at all but I must say that your course seems like very good value for money.
(I don’t know Scott other than as a subscriber to his channel).
Somewhere in the middle, I have found it is very hard to race at 90% consistently. Of course being a sim, it is always fun to go 100% until you are bouncing off the guard walls and just reset without consequence but that is not what real racing is like.
I hope to see more sim racing videos !
P.S. I couldn't imagine what 24 hours of SPA would be like. I am happy to put in 3 good laps and take a nap. It must be fun and draining at the same time.
Iracing too expensive
still better than my setup.... it must be worth 50 euro or less... I have a 13 year old DFGT (paddles don't work so use the shifter) on a desk and an office chair (i removed the wheels)... Effing COVID i saved 2K euro to buy some entry level pedals and steering... all gone :( still i did SPA in 1.53.5 with the previous update of the MX5 which is slower, so YAY to me. But I will say this, the desk is better than that rig, at least the desk is solid and doesn't move around
@Driver61 Hey, Callum. Artur Skibior here. So I did few laps... and you said AC was about 1 second faster? Well, so I did ~2:56.5... and then just kept going. Few more laps later at the end on hotlap session I did 2:53.687 which is almost as fast James Baldwin if we will keep using that 1 second as more or less difference between iRacing and Assetto Corsa. And that actually was with quite a few mistakes and didn't use whole track in few places... So I can do better than that... So I guess World's Fastest Gamer has nothing on me xD
I did use auto clutch, auto blip and ABS, hope that's not cheating, and streamed that session on this channel. Kind of curious how many mistakes could be found in my best lap...
love how the shit rig is my exact setup
I see there are a lot of us on this table 😂
I have same setup only wheel is mounted to computer desk
Yup. I feel ya. My setup is the "shit" setup.
I have a modded G920 and i am completely happy with it.
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Hardware shaming/chasing is the silliest part of the sim community. Use and get used to what you got, you can have fun on any of it! Fun video.
that's not true. for other games, you can say if better equipment doesn't bring better results, then it's not worth it. but for sim racing, it's more about the immersion of driving a race car without breaking a bank, not that 'i'll either gain that half second or it's nothing at all i get'. in this video, if anything, the better equipment is worth every penny for the added realism and immersion
@@Tlll123 He said "If I did this on the professional rig my times would be very similar". Or something of that exact nature. So yeah, the expensive stuff is worth it... But if you can't afford it then they've proven it really doesn't matter that much.
$10k could get you a real reasonable used track car (like a Miata/MX5) and a decent amount of entries to autocross or track days if real feeling is what matters....
It's the same in many hobbies - there are people who will run LAPS around you on a cheap road bike even if you've got a £10k carbon fibre all singing all dancing bike.
Yeah totally get that.... Just that when the cost of Sim catches up with reality and realism is important it seems a bit of a diminishing return
This would have been more interesting if you showed more of the screen, and let fast driver have a go on the quick sim.
right? why am i looking at this dude's expressionless face so much
There's no such thing as a "quick Sim"
They've missed such an opportunity
I would have preferred that too! Showed that gear doesnt beat skill, but how much does good gear improve a skilled driver?
@@the4fibs832 The exact same reason I'm in the comments right now lol I feel like listening to a gp on the radio
Some of the fastest simracers I know have really cheap setups. Gear is nice, but nothing beats skill.
1000% I have a rig more expensive than my first car and I'm slow as dick. Its realy imersive though
You get more consistent with the bigger things. I've never tried a direct drive, but the difference between those entry wheels like logitech and thrustmaster compared to fanatec's CSL-whatever really makes a difference on the limit.
I have a keyboard and still being competitive enough to stay in the midfield
@@ickerolig Yeah even if you dont gain much time with a better setup having more detailed force feedback will always help, especially with consistency
@@ickerolig It does, though I feel brake type makes more of a difference than wheel drive. A loadcell brake is much easier to use than a potentiometer one. The brain judges force applied better than distance.
A £200 sim set up is still pretty good.. I'm using a dual shock 4 and flat screen 😅
@u knoe wat dis is how tf did you get a £15 setup?😂
Just buy a DFGT for 100$ they are a good starter wheel and cheap if you look around
@@beautifulbeaner I don't have the space, that's the issue lol! 😂
Cruved screen doesn't add that much though id say its very useful against reflections
@@carls-95 ah damn, I take one of those side tables you see against walls, and I just put it on there and put it back near the wall when I’m done
Can't believe you didn't put James on the $10k rig. He even said his times would be the same. Why not test it?
Ah here we go. Another whining child who cant afford even the shitty rig though simping for a gamer who underestimates himself to not look bad infront of the person's audience. Why would he test it when he already plays on rigs like that? Its pointless and the only difference would be the feel of the pedals and force feedback.
It's a bad video
That could be another video
Am I'm the only one interested in James time in pro-sim? To be precise I want to know Callums time in budget seat too. I mean fast driver will be always fast, no joke, but how much time could usual gamer gain just by upgrading his seat?
I don't know how much I gained with a better wheel, because it coincided with a switch from console to PC and a different game. However, a swap from an ancient, wobbly, Gameracer rig to a rock solid Sim Lab GT1 Evo gave me almost half a second a lap. Also, much easier to run kerbs and catch slides.
imo really not much, just as he said, and for us commoners even less. The point of sim driving doesn't have to be the result as much as it should be having a blast while pushing yourself to your limit Id like to add. So upgrading your hardware always makes sense imo
If expensive rigs didn't help achieving that few extra tenths none would buy them. A Pro benefits more from a better equipment than a Rookie, of course. But yeah, would love to see a direct comparison of their own times on both rigs
I sixth that. Would be very interesting to see both drivers laptimes on other rig.
@@HortaRacing a better rig is more about better immersion.
Good rigs are more about the immersion than better lap times.
Try mouse and keyboard then🗿
@@toccandocreacanaleulterior176 at least in Live For Speed, there are MANY fast players who play with keyboard and mouse, as with mouse, you arent limited to turning the wheel, but can just flick your wrist and turn
@@LatvianVideo that's slightly far from being a sim game tho☠
@@toccandocreacanaleulterior176 Its one of the best sim games ive played, tried some others, but all of them have been meh, lfs just feels amazing, there are ppl who have learned to drift irl from LFS, so I guess its realistic enough.
@@LatvianVideo my bad, I thought you meant need for speed, I misread it
Pro drivers are just finding the limit and then once it’s found they can settle in... and then stay just at that limit, theoretically. Amateur drivers are never as capable of knowing exactly where that limit is, no matter the kit. That’s been my experience... I am just stating the obvious IG. It is amazing to see a pro find that limit in unfamiliar car in person and how that immediately changes their driving approach.
But in a realistic environment the limit never stays in one place. Tires go off, fuel burns out, track temp changes. In my years as a simracer I competed against pretty amazing opponents, some of whom later raced against current stars and real pro drivers. And the first thing that strikes me about the really talented ones, they learn the tracks quicker, they adjust to cars, setups, conditions A LOT quicker. In essence, they take a lot less to adjust to things. I was pretty good at staying on the limit and posting times within a tenth or two at Le Mans, for example, but I often had a situation when in practice I'd be going for an hour getting to a quick time and a decent setup, and they'd join and arrive at the same time after 10 minutes. Ultimately, they'd end up being just a few tenths quicker than me, but it looked so effortless.
True, me an amateur always finding that limit hard sometimes I feel like the car would oversteer or the line I'm taking sucks, from what I've realized also is that I always wanted to go above my limit brake later entry faster which if it was executed properly it would be few tenths faster but most of the time I would only lose time, so difficult finding my own pace.
@@Pandamasque I can count myself a talented amateur then. For league races in ACC my fellow competitors were often practicing hours on multiple days while I just showed up with 30 minutes or so practice left. Put on the default aggressive setup and I was on the pace in the race. If the setup and car works for me 3-4 flying laps is enough to feel alright.
@@Pandamasque they have lots of experience its easier to adapt thats true
@@ml8022 says the guy leaving salty TH-cam comments... lmao
Some guy on facebook watches this and regrets parting with his rig ....
Hahaha
I suspect it is similar to the experience of lending your guitar to someone who can really play. "Where did that sound come from?!?" 😁
@@bobmcl2406 ahahahah omg my teenage years in one sentence
Ugh. I sold my rig. Trakracer tr8 mach3
T300rs alcantera . T3pa pro add on with load cell mod. Very nice rig. I just never really had a good run to enjoy it like I wanted to. The guy that bought it loves it and uses it daily so that makes me happy. It was a great beginner mid setup!
Put him on the good rig for a back to back comparison....
What I learned here; is that a budget rig is just as fast, but you need to know how to be fast already. You can learn that alot quicker from quality feedback, rather than the trial and error on the budget rig. World fastest gamer: I can't feel anything right now but I just see and know what to do.
Do you ask people if they rather have a choice or not? Nobody is born rich and the trail of errors is the way to success. The more knowledge you have that works on the budget rig the more you will know how to use that knowledge for the real sh*t. You will learn nothing if you aimlessly attempt to handle the 10k rig and it will take just as much time as learning from scratch.
From entry sims to high end the only thing that changes is consistency and amount of feedback. Any sim you can afford is fun.
Meh, Jimmy Broadbent can rally using a guitar
eh Aarava can f1 using an arcade joystick
Pls no punterino, Jimmer.
Jimmy Broadbent is a joke for Sim racers
@@i3l4ckskillzz79 A joke you say?!
@@halosam2963 yes. Well done you can read
I've been using a super old Logitech Driving Force GT for about 4 years now. I used a friend's rig with a Dd1 and some fancy load cells and within 2hrs I dropped lap times across the board pretty significantly. 2 seconds at most of the longer tracks. It wasn't the wheel though. It was the brakes. I can't even begin to explain how much more efficient I was able to brake and how much that helped my times. I was able to brake deeper, trail brake more efficiently, didn't have to rely on ABS, was able to rotate the car better too. The throttle felt better too which helped with more accurate throttle input. His seat was also better so I just felt more comfortable compared to my creaky old seat with arm rests that hit my right arm when turning. I don't think the seat help my lap times as much as it just helped the general consistency from lap to lap from being comfortable. So my big lesson was when it comes time to upgrade, get a set of load cells and for now skip the expensive fancy wheel and base.
This. Good loadcell pedals make a world of a difference moreso than any wheel and base. When I went from the T3PA to the CS V3 - I instantly went a second faster within a few rounds.
On the other hand steering is just steering. Most wheels have 900° anyway. So the movement itself remains the same. The difference is simply in the quality of feedback you get from the Force Feedback.
Yep, load cell brake and good rig first, fancy wheel base later.
Agree 100%. My entry level load cell pedals cost more than my original entry level wheel and pedal set. It made a noticeable difference in consistency with the load cell brake pedal.
James is just an alien! Did you see his 1 vs 1 series with other sim racers. They chose game, car and track and just did a quick race. James can make anything go fast.
Not this time... on my first try, I'm 1'5 faster. VRS guys are 4 or 5 seconds faster and world record (with setup, not baseline) is 7 seconds faster...
i like the way driver61 said "he crashed my MX5 last week" like it was an award winning stunt lmao
For completeness sake, what’s the time of the AM on the cheap rig ?
And what’s the time of the PRO on the expensive sim ?
yea that would have been a relevant thing to show. Sure the pro might be the same inboth, but I highly doubt the amateur would. :)
The roasts just gon' keep coming.
Absolutely correct
@@callummcintyre9409 🔥
3:52 James: Look at this dude😂
Great video, cool to see their faces instead of the lines they take.
Haha, yeah wtf
Yes, this is exactly why I came to watch this video. Isn't it great?
Forreal. Why would you film the faces more than the gameplay?
The logitech G25 I used to have was perfectly use able to be competitive. I upgraded to a full fanatec setup and ally rig and I enjoy the "driving" sensation more now.
Yep, to state the obvious, good gear is far more about immersion and enjoyment than lap times.
I was with James when he was competing for WFG at insomnia on our stand. It was very close between him and Isaac. He was on standard kit then as well but the quality shone through. James deserves his success and is a top lad. Loved the video, great idea 😎
Define "Standard Kit."
Everyone customises the crap out of their rigs.
@@bertram-raven Logitech G29
I am jealous of how good the input lag is from the wheel to the monitor
That was a fun video, but I didnt know you guys had all these resources I have so much good stuff to read/watch! Means a lot to poor folk like myself you make this info free
On reflection, he was average through no name 😉
You can't take it back now! Callum
@@Driver61 🤣
I'd take it as a compliment!.. I'd almost pay money to have a pro driver analyze my driving on a rig that nice just so I could hear in person that I'm a shit driver!! :-D
I’m consistently the fastest in 90% of races on MX-5s at Laguna, Brands Hatch, Nord, Lime Rock. And I could do the same with practice anywhere else too. I use a G920. I’ve been driving for 3-4 years.
I mean, earlier this year we saw JV competing online against other real drivers using a game pad lol. There ya have it folks, its not the equipment. Its how you use it.
VR coupled with that 10k setup would shave several seconds
I would say nice equipment helps experienced drivers with consistency. Load cell breaks is probably the most important part.
@@michael1 4 years, 4 years. Did you really feel that need to answer
@@arvidjohansson3120 What you said is still wrong (and youtube is still putting the video in people's feeds)
Good luck to James in his Motorsport career. Very interesting video, so it it's all about the talent and expensive equipment is just to make the driver feel comfortable? What about consistency? That's the thing that most people who've just spent a couple of grand on a direct drive wheel and rig claim. "I'm able to be more consistent" I'm not entirely convinced that's true as I've been able to get consistent times with all my ribs (since upgrading to a load cell pedal back in the TX days) personally I think that's was the biggest single improvement that I've made to my equipment. A rock solid rig is next on my list when I take over the spare room.
I'm loving watching Callum getting roasted 😆
I think 3 seconds over a 3min lap isn't bad!
@@callummcintyre9409 it isn’t, I was more thinking the Mazda 😆
I always wondered this!, heat to see someone is doing it.
“Because of THAT” i felt that, its identical to my sim.
Callum has gone a long way since this video
I upgraded from a logitech wheel to a fanatec setup. It didn't make me any quicker, but it made it much more enjoyable.
My CSL Elite base just imploded. Let ya know what Fanatec says!
it is like everything:
- a trained soldier will be precise with any weapon
- a newbie will be preciser with better equipment, but not better than the trained one
- a professional guitarist will play very clean and beautiful with the cheapest guitar
- a beginner will sound better with an expensive guitar
Love your content. Great topic. Would have loved to see more of their driving than their faces. Especially after the fun reactions you guys were having.
Logitech is not shitty rig though. They are popular because of Their capabilities to make such a good Rig, if You know that.
High end rig and not even a H shifter for the MX5? Come one!... ;)
I come from 7 months in the future when the mx5 was updated to sequential :P
"It's not fully about equipment" but good equipment helps you to learn quicker the track and its limits.
james has a gift, fast driver and now he is a pro driver
I love the shot at 2:40 where Callum is pointing his middle finger at the camera.
"While he is very enthusiastic, it is safe to say that he is not a very fast driver"
upping the tire and wheel friction on the logitech helped me get a feel for where my front tires are at
Thanks for this video! It's made me realise that getting a fancy rig (mine is almost exactly the £200 one you used) is not going to help me get faster. I'm just not that good! Another money saving tip from the experts at Driver61 😄
Stick with it! As James said, it only gets you that final 3%! - Callum
The best mod is the driver mod 😊
Great video. I'll love to see a part two.
The fast driver doing lap time back to back in both rigs.
And then the slow driver doing the same. Lap time on both rigs.
Love for the G29, it's not amazing, true, but it's also not expensive.
Would be nice to see them both on the two rigs, to see if they improve their time with better equipment
I think the biggest difference was how far away from the monitor the driver is on the cheap rig. With a smaller monitor so far away the apexes and brake markers start to be quite small. Because it is a 2d screen the only way to judge distances is by the size of the objects and that becomes difficult when you have a small screen so far away.
Why lots of content are their face? I'm here to watch them race ~
Someone who is a lawnmower racer is definitely not a 'normal guy'
The pos rig is the one I’m saving up for right now 😂🤙🏼
My brother and I have been i-racing for the last year. We do back to mid pack rarely better then 3rd. I built a new computer and dropped 2 seconds on my best lap times. My brother used an old computer changed from a non force feedback wheel like I still use and dropped 2 to 3 seconds on most short races and a full minute on Nurburgring.
Just as he hopes to upgrade soon I also hope to upgrade to the g920 like he did. For the record we raced miatas (mx-5) and were both over 1000 irating and now race Porsche gt3 and have to really do good to finish mid pack. My point is get the wheel and good luck it does help
I think the rig itself is more for the immersion of the player rather than lap times. I liked sim racing until I got a proper rig and equipment and now I am totally in love with it.
Love it. You should start a sim racing league!
0:21 that was quite an intro!! 😂😂😂😂
One thing that could be fun to see from you, is some explanations on how drivers survived and walked away from absolute monsters of a wreck in racing!
On top of being a reaction video, you can talk about what went wrong to get the car to where it is, what the car is doing during the accident, how the track safety helps out, and how the car itself protects the driver during specific accidents...
When the cheap rig is still better then your own rig
Can you do a video on racing in the pack, I struggle on my vision and where to be focusing, if I look at the braking point I generally go into the back of the car in front, if I concentrate on the car in front I miss my turn in point and lose time. If I drive conservatively I end up getting punted from behind.
wow! so happy to see that this channel has grown so much!
This is the definition of: maybe he just has a good gaming chair
Ive used a thrustmaster T150 and now a thrustmaster TMX. I'm no alien but I can consistently finish on the podium or win in your standard ACC open lobby. Technique and racecraft are enough to compete at the top of regular lobbies
Take a shot every time this dude gets called “enthusiastic”
The small screen alone is the major factor
Why are you filming the guys and not the screen ? I see no point in watching a dude in a chair turning a wheel, I'd rather see his screen when he drives around track
Exactly this.
2:40 ....Flipped like a Pro!! Stealth level infinite....
it will make no appreciable difference. I have that setup, the g920.
Lol buy a direct drive wheel and get back to me..
Dream on. You know James is just being humble?
If it doesn't matter James and all the pros would be running the G29/920. Instead they all spent fortunes on their rig.
@@LemtemPoktui It's almost like rich people keeps on telling that money cannot buy happiness. 😏😏😏
@@nithulnath9331 The point James is trying to make is that driving skills and habit is more important that gear.
Having shit skills and top tier gear is pointless (in terms of lap performance). But saying G29 is the same as a Fanatic DD, you have to be delusional.
@@LemtemPoktui I got, man. Without skills, top tier setup is pointless. But that doesn't take away the advantage we can get from that kind of a setup compared to a more usual one. Like you said , if they could get the same results from a G29, they don't have to spent so much on those expensive rigs. An amateur won't turn pro if he buys a top tier rig. But surely he could get an advantage using it compared to a lesser setup. But these guys saying that it won't make any difference somewhat resonates with the rich people and money quote. :)
Theoretically u can be quick over a lap on any rig, but a high quality rig can improve your consistency, aswell as your ability to drive on the limit
I am proud to use a logitech g29 wheel with my playseat challenge. Its enough for me.
Yes. I also have that setup and it's completely fine 🤠
The real gamechanger is VR. Proper wheel and pedals do help, but VR just completely changes everything. I still can't get anywhere near my times at Monza from when i tried VR for the first time almost 1000 laps earlier. The DOF simply isn't there unless you have a VR headset.
I’ve got the logitech g920 on a foldable table and when i do an aggressive turn my desk will lift up. Watching this is crazy😂😭
An expensive setup doesn't make you better, but it gives you a better experience
I would love to see VR racers!
"i can't feel anything right now" might have been the final straw to put me off a logitech wheel for good.
Me with my two pedals and non force feedback £80 wheel and James is moaning about a really decent setup
I believe better equipment doesn’t make you faster. Sure it might help with consistency. But the biggest thing with the better equipment is the feeling and enjoyment factor goes up 10fold. I used to have Fanatec CSLelite with LC pedals, now I have a Simucube Pro 2 and Meca Cup1 pedals. I’m not much faster if any but I definitely LOVE the feeling and enjoyment I get from it a LOT more.
"Well you know... it's better than a desk..."
Me playing in a desk= :'(
I like it that they race on the spa circuit
I'd give it a shot and see how much slower I really am.
I joined sim racing two weeks ago, I got that g920 and I am really enjoying the challenging experience to learn each track secrets. I am just jumping on the Lambo at Monza until I will feel comfortable to move on to other tracks. for now I know that what matter most is my muscle memory and learning each lap a bit more. It doesn't really matter which rig I use, so I am fine with it.
I love how the shit rig is still better than mine :D
0:21 that's a heck of an introduction 😂😂
best joystick gamer, vs a noob on expensive rig
2:45 that middle finger thoe lol
Could you please show a comparison of their laps side by side?
Got a barely used G920 off a mate for a case of beer. Got better springs and a true brake mod for the pedals and mounted it on a $99 Australian dollar wheel stand. Changed the castor wheels on my SecretLab gaming chair to locking rollerblade castors.
It's definitely not glamorous and it's a little bit of a hastle to get a consistent distance between me and the pedals when I go to lock the chair wheels, but it works great and I'm having fun.
I have a 10 year Driving Force GT :P
Thats still a great wheel,man.Theyve been getting more expensive lately,for a reason.
I hope youre enjoying it...
I have a cheap Chinese controller :(
This is really encouraging to young people who want to get into racing!
Great video!
2:41 that's not very nice to give that finger to the viewers 😂
I have a G29 wich is simmilair to the G920, tried once on my mate's Fanatec stuff, drove within 3 or 4 laps the same laptimes. Biggest difference i think is that you are more consistant with a Fanatec or a more expensive steering wheel and pedals.
Should have done keyboard vs steering wheel
This just reaffirms what I’ve been saying within the assetto drift community, the rig doesn’t make you the better driver, but it helps you get there faster.
Et encore ... il faut être doué
i would love to be able to afford the shit rig. I work 70 hours a week and can only afford Xbox controllers :( good video but a little upsetting seeing how spoilt some people act.
Similar situation at home! I recently upgraded my G25 to a VRS Direct force pro, still on the G25 pedals that I modded quite extensively, freemounted with 200kg loadcell etc. My son is using a Thrustmaster T150 and recently got the CSL loadcell pedals that made him a tad faster. I just can´t keep up with him and the main reason is he has way more time to drive than me. It´s way more immersive and easier to correct slides with a direct drive but it´s training that makes you fast.
try the pedals from cls .....
You were good through no name is a genuine compliment. Tough corner. Sounded real patronizing though. Wasn't meant to be I'm sure.
“That’s insane”. WHAT! WHAT WAS INSANE! WHAT!
yeah great vid, filming his head instead of the race
This is a great video, but I think there's more to it. Hope the below makes sense:
For an aspiring driver learning on a sim, quality of feedback,I believe, important to take mental measurements and experiment with small variations, to react accurately and in time. It matters for the learning process.
A trained driver will process what is happening much more transparently and will need to rely a lot less on immediate feedback as they will have a much more developed intuition. So reactions will be more adequate regardless.
Imagine a motorsport where you drive on a sim racer, but you're actually controlling a car on a track irl
I think PlayStation did something like what were someone had a DualShock controller and controlled the car with the controller but there was no screen so it basically was just a big rc car
I've been looking to get a racing sim setup. This is awesome to see you don't need the best equipment to be competitive.
That was the funniest introduction to someone I've seen on this channel. "This is Callum, he works for Driver61 and he crashed my Mazda MX-5 last week."